Warhammer 40,000 General

first for clinical depression

>>52322932
Deathwing will become a legitimate, deadly, competitive army.

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>mfw with new rules and shit it will be easier to jump into hobby
Well, now I'm waiting for 10 page rules and new starter sets/boxes. Sigmarization is a bless

>>52322448
I just save this for later.

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Lets hope for 8th edition.

The new Death Guard realeases are great, but my ready-to-paint CSM and termies seem so bad now...
> :(

>>52322986
>competitive army.
In non-competitive game
>>52322993
>Sigmarization is a bless
For reddit

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Okay guys, so my cousin gave me his entire Dark Angel army, I have never even played Space marines, never mind Dark Angels but I want to give them a go. How would you build a 1500 army with these?

The devestators haven't been built yet, except the grav-cannon one (I suspect he used it to replace the fucking rocket launcher model in the tact squad).

I still need a codex so I have no idea what would work best here for the minute.

>femcast is foreshadowing the arrival of femmarines

>>52323004
It's looking good according to Duncan.

https://youtu.be/7dl0OtWqCa0

>>52323004

>Marine lamenting broke shit

That image is waaaay out of date. Needs to be a Scion or Sister.

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>>52323010
>For reddit
I just can't wait for /41kg/ and /40kg/ autistic wars

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Repostin' for posterity.

Thicc signmarines. I may need a new ordo malleus inquisitor soon.

>>52323014
just in time for a slaanesh update

>>52323034
I don't think that will happen regardless of how the rules shake out. The die hards can all just jump to HH.

>>52323010


>thinking a game where you can win isn't competitive

Was the Emperor as big as a Primarch, normal space marine or a normal man?

Because how could someone the size of a primarch hid on terra for like tens of thousands of years?

>>52323061
HH uses the 40k ruleset though

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Cutest Marines

>>52323085
HH uses the 7th ed. ruleset and will continue to do so. That's my point.

ORKS NIDS SISTERS

ALL FUCKING SHIT

>>52323075
He's a Psyker

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>>52323098
> and will continue to do so.

>>52322991
>>playing with special characters ever
>>1500 pts battles lasting for like 8 hours or so
>I didn't have that issuea
True, I played only with shitty, WAAC opponents. Such is the life in a small town.

>>every fucking unit having a ton of special rules, absolutely nothing was streamlined and simple
>But this is exactly what they're doing with 8th.
And it's a stupid thing to do.

>>fucking wargear cards
>You got me there but they werent that bad once GW was like "hey rip up those OP ones"
'member the Strategy Cards, then?
>tfw lose your entire army before turn 1 because some asshole played Virus Outbreak

>>retarded psychic powers system
>Not that bad
'holy shit, did I just lose my 4lev psyker because you happened to randomly draw Daemonic Attack?'

>>Orks were shit even then
>the core rules were still best
Good thing I got out when I did, then.

>>52323023
The savage in this video is sky high

>>52323023
>dat plastic thunderhawk.

>sculpt my own great Unclean one
>Nearly finished painting it just in time for GW to release a bigger better plastic one
Oh well, I'll have to field two then.

>>52323122
Rumors have the rules splitting, with HH keeping their current books (Which makes sense since that shit is expensive and FW works slowly), to serve as an "expert level game". Whereas 8th edition will be a kind of bridge game between Sigmar and HH in complexity.

>>52323087
>spend lots of money on FW plague marines
>Finally finish painting them.
>New beautiful plastic death guard comes out.

This just isn't fair.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warhammer-40000-news-from-adepticon/

What in the actual fuck, D6+models lost in a turn-Leadership = How many wounds you lose from morale checks.

Fuck me.

>>52323285
You subtract your leadership. Also there are ways to manipulate it.

>>52323304
Do you not see the - before leadership? I'm aware of that. DE will suddenly become gods as they reduce your Leadership to 2 then boop you on the nose.

>>52323280
Just finished a 1850 DG army.
I know the feeling, at least it was cheap second hand stuff and conversions for me though.

Still you can use the FW stuff for variety.

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>>52323318
>DE's Ld modifiers and many, many fear/morale checks
>ever mattering in a game full of ATSKNF and fearless everywhere
We get to kill orks faster. Yay.

>>52323318
DE with night lord allys will be the new hottness.

>>52323318
You're making a LOT of assumptions there.

>>52323334
They are saying it will affect everyone, so I assume they are going to rework fearless/ATSKNF.

Biggest changes for me are unit specific movement and chargers always attacking first. MASSIVE buff to aggressive Ork players who get +1 S and ignore initiative on the charge.

>>52323318
Except "lol immune, exception, no effect fuck deldar unless you're already a shit tier army"

>>52323280
>just bought BoP
>been planning on doing old school DG with MkIII armour, MkII helmet and spike on top
>new DG incoming
>in MkIII armour with the old school MkII helmets

I guess it's my rucky day.

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>>52323280
Luckily the FW stuff matches the new designs. I have some of them I was working on too.

>>52323363
Except the new ones are in MkIII armour, the FW ones have MkV torsos that go on MkVI legs and have MkII arms.

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>plastic plague marines

I've been waiting for this so long

>>52323380
This is basically the year GW is going, "You want that shit? Here, have it"

>plastic plague marines and thousand sons

Hell, at this rate we might even see new berzerkers. Plastic noise marines would be sweet too.

>>52323033
Blood Angels can complain about whatever they want, they get the shaft hard when compared to other Marines and don't have the toys that make Marines as good as they are. Ooh, deep striking Flamer Tactical Squad, scary.

Do we have info on the release date for the new Death Guard?Any other leaks and stuff?

>>52323421
ANYTHING slaanesh would be nice at some point. didnt get a proper release for more than 7 years

>>52323363
So whats about that terminator in half tartaros half cataphractii? Will he have a 4++ if you shoot him from the right side, be snp but able to sweep?

>>52323373
>MkV torsos
Not really. It's a mix Iof stuff, and the potbelly torsos don't really match any specific mark. As for the arms? There are no FW arms, they're whatever the plastics you use are.

Regardless, what I was talking about was the distinctive helmet, which matches exactly.

>>52323425

I can't really tell if that's supposed to be a Bangle and not just red marine chapter #312. Now that I look at it he's got his little laurel leaves so fair enough.

>>52323429
Nope. Just the video and teaser pics from Adepticon.

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>>52323398
You want plastic sisters models? No fucking worry here they are.

>>52323439
CSM don't have access to Termie variants and I doubt that will change. He'll just be whatever Chaos Terminators are.

>>52323458
Fuck that, real sisters please.

>>52323458
Allmost there GW

What armies would you recommend for intro games?
http://www.strawpoll.me/12590190

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>>52322973

>>52323467
>csm don't have access to termie variants

Didn't the new occult scarab terminators get some unique rules in the new book?
We might see something new soon. Or at least I hope we will. Plague terminators sound fucking awesome.

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>>52323177

WHERE

also nice digits.

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>>52323373
Calling this MkIII may be technically true, but I'm not sure it's a useful distinction anymore.

What will be the ESorcerer Death Guard equivalent?Tzaangor are probably plague cultists/zombies

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>>52323449
It's okay. Soon they'll just be rolled into the Vanilla Codex with 3 special characters and their own unique Death Company unit like Crusader Squads. It's better this way.

Think about the Baal Predators, George. Shh.

>>52323498
Here is a better one:

Choose which allegiance is perfect for a newcomer:

>Imperium of Man: Sisters, IG, Admech, Space Marines, Grey Knights
>Aeldari: Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequin
>Xenos: Tyranids, Orks, Tau, Necrons
>Chaos: Nurgle, Slaanesh, Tzeentch, Khorne, Daemons, Chaos Space Marines

>>52323458
The bin video specifically said "sisters of battle"
Everyone keeps paraphrasing it to just "plastic sisters"

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>>52323087

>>52323501
They're in Tartaros, but just use standard Indomitus Terminator rules.

>>52323531
>teeth everywhere

That's fucking metal as fuck.

>>52323501
There will probably some kind of mixed unit between death shrouds and grave wardens, that would explain the mix armour after all. Probably chemflamers, powerscythes, grenade launchers etc.

>>52323538

Honestly, despite Bangles being my first army that'd probably be for the best. They'd constantly be updated and not left to languish in the dark for fuck knows how long.

>>52323536
Some generals probably, fat slobs of terminator and on palaquins.

>>52323536
Death Guard Chaos Lords. I'd also like to see a Nurgle Sorcerer, since they're pretty different from Generic/Tzeentch Sorcerers.

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>>52323525

>>52323615
slaanesh when?

>>52323498
>Select all
>Didn't activate multiple choice option.

>>52323643
Never. He's going to be removed, just like in AoS.

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>>52323615
>a Nurgle Sorcerer

There's the FW one, which I'm starting to think I should order for my PMs in case they chuck it in the LAST CHANCE TO BUY range

>>52323639
Has anyone else noticed that if you look carefully at the box in that pic, and several other times in the video, you can actually see a slight plastic SOMETHING protruding from the top?

I think it's fucking real, guys.

>>52323666
it's a nice enough model, but the spear's a pain in the dick

>>52323044
Is that a real model?
Can I get my hopes up for female marines?

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>>52323639
>I thought it was real

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>>52323442
Pretty clear MkV style torso with X-shaped cables. Some lack the cables (so it'd be closer to MkVII) and some have a big gut plate. But it's the same style as all the other CSM torsos. Definitely not MkIV, III, II nor VI.

>>52323280
Don't worry anon, the new models will propably be more expensive than the FW ones.

Which, now that I think about it, means you've saved money by buying Forgeworld.

Which, again, means FW has literaly become cheaper than GW.
What a time to be alive.

>>52323699
Yes. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/shadespire-unveiled/

>>52323421
>new plastic berserkers

Woah calm down there bucko lets not get too wild

>>52323648
fuck, I blew it

second attempt: http://www.strawpoll.me/12590279

>>52323531
>heavy collar
>crotch plate like on the MkIII
>reinforced shoulder pads
>MkII/III style backpack
>round knee pads and heavy armour on legs
>heavy plate vambraces that cover the wrist
>MkII helmet, like on old DG (only missing the spike from the helmet)

It's like the Rubric Marines, which are all in MkIV.

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>>52323734
Well there is one...

>>52323726
>more stormcasts vs bloodbound
When will it ever end?

>>52323539
Imperium, duh

>>52323750
>unstoppable rage
>immmovable faith

Probably never comrade

>>52323539
It's shit like all it's previous incarnations.

>>52323763
Like, it's in death world or some shit.

Why not a death army with some nice vampires? Or use it as an in road to introduce the new dwarves, skypirate looters vs random stormcast adventurers battle for loot in a haunted crypt.

>>52323738
So will EC be MK4, MK 5 or MK 6? WE should be MK 4 i guess.

I love the rage over charging models hitting first like Overwatching doesn't exist or something

>>52323691
You are what they call an "easy mark".

>>52323790
Oh man i wish this were the case.

>>52323815
Except the last time they made a "joke" video everything in it turned out to be totally real.

>>52323815
>>52323820
You have to admit a plastic Thunderhawk being the big centerpiece that comes with the new bigly-sized Guillimarines at the 8th ed launch makes a lot of sense.

>>52323820
Breaking news, Drop Pods now deployed via hurling them at the table, confirmed because /tg/ aspie doesn't understand jokes.

>>52323803
Because dedicated shooting units wont be effected as they're most likely not going to go first anyway.

Meanwhile dedicated melee units up to and including initiative 10 keepers and solitaires are just going to sit there and get slugged in the face when charged by ANYTHING, as if high initiative isn't already worthless.

>>52323075
He can change his face so he more than likely can change his body as well.

>>52323794
MK IV was the last mark issued to Traitor marines.

Only one in MK 6 would be Alpha legion as they stole the portotypes for the corvus.

>>52323840
No you fucking moron, not that. Obviously the Deep Striking shit and the square bases were the jokes, but the video was still made to tease something. The super-conspicuous PLASTIC THUNDERHAWK box in the background was the actual fucking announcement that they were comically leaving unaddressed as the elephant in the room, that was the entire point of the video.

>>52323850
>Only one in MK 6 would be Alpha legion
that's wrong though

>>52323866
>entire video is jokes to build interest for the new edition of the rules
>THIS joke was totes serious tho!

>>52323790
>Why not a death army with some nice vampires?
The same reason why there is no starters without Space Marines?
>skypirate looters vs random stormcast adventurers battle for loot in a haunted crypt.
They are in the same side

>>52323794
I seem to recall that the old Berserker models were based on MkV designs. So it could be the one they'll go with when it's time for an upgrade. Noise Marines are quite likely in MkIV.

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>>52323866
If they wanted to low-key announce a plastic thunderhawk, they would have left part of a wing sprue visible in the background or something else harder to suss out, not some low effort joke like that. You can't arbitrarily decide that 2 of the jokes in the video are jokes, and that the one you want is real.

>>52323885
>plastic sisters was just a joke man!
>Celestine and the Geminae were never really released you just imagined that!

>>52323870
Fell free to back that up.

>>52323844
Think of it this way, a unit skis at you and charges. You're suppressed and not doing shit all until it's too late to notice that charged.

The units aren't standing there doing nothing the whole game. You shouldn't get to ask first because a random number says you can. Charging units attacking first is more logical.

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Reminder: Eldar are the most powerful race in the galaxy.

>>52323910
It's the one they didn't address. That box had an actual plastic model in it just barely poking out the top.

GW doesn't make these videos 100% as a joke, they've all, every one of them, been teaser videos that hint at or confirm an actual release or leak. All the stuff about bases was clearly the joking part, and not exciting to begin with even if it were true so they wouldn't make a video to hype it.

>>52323866
I'll take it as 99% joke, but there is the new style Thunderhawk in Inferno, which makes me 1% hopeful.

Please convince me not to start Orks
They just look so cool

>>52323912
adeptus titanicus

>>52323929
Reminder: All reminder posts are unfunny garbage and should be filtered by inputting
>Boards tg;/Reminder/i (without the >)
in your filter lists.

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I thought Terminator armour was meant to not be cross compatible like war ostrich armour?

That was mean to be "like power armour" before autocorrect got to it

>>52323924
Shoots not skiis.

Also, this actually gives units that are weaker in melee a shot instead of a, "NEVER enter melee!" situation with them.

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>>52323930
I concede in the face of this fact. I don't think you're right, but good luck to you in getting that new model. Hopefully they buff the rules so the Marine's only unique Chapter-universal LoW isn't a dopey transport that gets glanced to death by autocannons the turn it enters the field.

>>52323924
>You're suppressed and not doing shit all until it's too late to notice that charged.
Unless you have higher initiative, because that's the whole point of what it represents, is reaction time.

And you're right, my Genestealers AREN'T standing there doing nothing the whole game, they're watching and waiting for the time to strike with extremely sharp honed senses and coiled lightning reflexes. The second something is dumb enough to get within swiping range they're going to pounce on it and rips its limbs off before it has the chance to attack.

>>52323952
Adeptus Arbites

>>52323944
1. Download the codex or buy the real one just to take a good sniff
2. Read the fluff
3. Collect some cool models you like
4. Wait for 8E

>>52323924
Both of the units I mentioned can't be suppressed, there are rules for that and they explicitly can't be suppressed.

That "random number" is supposed to be representative of a units ability to move and react.
A keeper of secrets can move and react fast enough to CATCH BULLETS OUT OF THE AIR, you're telling me a few random peons clambering over the battlefield towards it are going to take it by surprise, and you call that logical?

>>52323944
Their charm wears off faster than any other army I've had.

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>>52323960

>War Ostrich Armour

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>>52323969
do you not know what adeptus titanicus is, or what

Anyways the only mark the traitors didn't get during the heresy was mk7. The rest will exist in varying amounts in every legion. Anyone who says otherwise is misinformed.

>>52323969
I would love an Arbites codex, even if they're only supposed to be allies like The Fallen. I have the official model for one and would like to use it.

>>52323944
For a first army? I won't.
For a second army? Go for it dude, they're really fun.

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>>52323960

>Problem, loyalist?

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>>52323944
No.

>>52323987
How majestic.

>>52324003
More like my 6th army in a year (Not including Heresy or AoS)
I really need to stick with something

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>>52323960
>not cross compatible

Ah, a challenge worthy of my skill.

I've got a mostly fluff question. So the latest books have been retconing stuff by various degrees. Horus Heresy ofcourse, but also The Beast Arises, Gathering Storm, the SW/Wulfen book,...
I've read some, but I'm not up to date on all of them. Can someone put together a list of such books/series that are really important, lore wise?

>>52324014
>tfw you read it in his voice despite not having played the game in over 5 years

>>52323539
Not Slaanesh, it is getting squatted.

>>52324013
Ay man, if you've got the money and you're enjoying yourself is not as unhealthy as some hobbies.

The only problem with them is that if you expect to play the game and if it's the only army you have to play the game then you're going to get really sick of losing all the time.
That and lack of plastic warboss, plastic weirdboy and plastic tankbustas. Kommandos can be converted.

>>52324013
I can't find an army I really want to stick with. I keep spend 200$ or so starting an army then find an army that looks more fun or interesting.

>>52324020
Most of the lore these days is just total ass. Even if the concepts were decent, which they are maybe half the time, the execution and prose and character and dialogue is like edgy highschool fanfic tier.

>>52323960

>one Indomitus and one Cataphractii shoulder

Which one has the fragment of the emperor's armour in it?

>>52323960
>Acolyte Homericus weighs the temptation of serving the Plaguefather against his duty to his middle daughter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epIT4-gF__M

>>52324032
Yeah me too
Its a curse

>>52324032
>>52324043
How are there people like this? There's really not an army that speaks to you?

I knew exactly what I was going to play the moment I laid eyes on the 2nd edition models in an old catalogue back in... '98 or '99.

>>52324048
I think he means that they all speak to him on some level anon

>>52323014
Fabius, you glorius bastard. You really did it

>>52324036

Isn't that something they started doing after the Horus Heresy

>>52324066

The fluff is pretty explicit that the invulnerable save comes not from a proper force field generator, but from a little bit of emperor armour.

>>52323014
Fuck

>>52324064
If that ever happens, I'm quitting this fucking hobby.

>>52324073
Crappy loyalist armour maybe. Csm still got daot stuff lying around (tho the crunch wont admit it)

>>52323014
I doubt it. The lore in AoS works for female stormcast, it has no connection to Space Marines.

Plus the amount of shit they would get for doing that before updating Sisters of Battle would cause an India-tier health crisis in Britain.

>>52324048
There is no army that makes me go, "OMG I need those!"

It's more like, "Oh those look interesting and might be fun."

>>52324073
I'm pretty sure all marks have field generators, the fragment is a symbol and has nothing to do with durability.

>>52323044
Oh for fuck's sake. Why does she have platekini? If they wanted to sculpt a muscular woman they could've made a female khorne champion

>>52324104
That just seems odd to me, I feel like between all the different Factions they really cover every major theme and aesthetic someone could ask for.

>>52324108
none of them have field generators, the invulnerable save is from their raw durability

>>52324114
Because sigmarines all have bronze sixpacks, anon just wanted to masturbate.

>>52324114
there is no platekini

>>52324073
Feel free to cite ANY fluff that "explicitly" states that.

>>52324104
That is the attitude that gives seed to herecy.

>>52324125
>>52324127

Oooh.. Now I see it, it's meant to be just weirdly-shaped armour

>>52324145
yeap, the regular sigmarines just hide it better with their chunkier details

seems like they removed the "we are the 7th legion" line from the new death guard video upload

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R8 my Khorn8 colour scheme

>>52324125
>Because sigmarines all have bronze sixpacks, anon just wanted to masturbate.
>people masturbating to disgusting ripped muscular women
That is so intensely homo.

What ever happened to jacking it to dainty effeminate traps like a real Emperor-fearing man?

>>52324125
Considering the Gorgon Pattern explicitly states it swapped the Indomitus field generators for kinetic conversion fields I'd say you're wrong.

>>52324160
Holy shit no way

>>52324160
>b-but 7 is nurgle's sacred number
>it's got nothing to do with actual legion numbers
>GW knows what they're doing, honest!

>>52324160
Well they also amended the old Traitor legion video when it was missing Alpha Legion.

>>52324190
>>52324184
I guess they should teach their marketing department the fluff

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>>52324160

>GW can't even get their legions straight

BASED ROUNDTREE AMIRITE LADS

>>52324160
>>52324182
Wow they actually did it, and added in a new line to replace it

Props to them for correcting an oversight so fast, even if it feels a little awkward now

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>mfw eldar shuriken catapults get an armour save modifier equal to their To Hit roll

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Eldar master race reporting

>>52323075
He is a sham, that is why imperial propaganda have so many insonsistancies.
Just like any religion.

>>52324093
I'm pretty sure it won't. It's too against the fluff and besides SoB were always the female version marines and now we even have Sisters of Silence

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Fucking happening

>>52323712
Huh? Propably not. They will be the same price as the new Rubric marines, so like 30 pounds for a box of 10.

FW now sells a single troll for the Hobbit for 70 pounds

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Anons should I take two Blitza-Bommers, two Dakkajets, or one of each? I really can't decide. On one hand, the Blitza Bommers bombs can penetrate AV13 really reliably from what anon's told me about mathhammer, as well as AV14+ pretty easily too, and the Dakkajet's will hit almost all of their shots because they're Twin-Linked BS3 S6 AP4.

I want to theme my army around invading Hives on Armageddon Blitzkrieg style.

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>>52324176
And every other bit of TDA fluff says they're just really heavy ceramite/adamantium plating.

Single lines of fluff in forgeworld books promoting an original variant armour aren't exactly conclusive.

>>52324225
Apparently it's going to act off S. So like in fantasy where every S above 3 is a -1 to armor.

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>>52324247

5 Plague Marines per box for $50, they will say the price is worth it because it comes with 50 heads and 3 different banners even though by the end of collecting a few squads you'll have 200 worthless bits

What new Plague Marines
Where

>>52324267
Did you knew that Guilliman woke up and has eldar gf?

>>52323548
Am femanon

if not for his shaved head and brunette would be perfect man. But without gentle freckles across his cheekbones and red or blonde locks down to his shoulders like a medieval aryan blacksmith who'll forge the key to my heart and orgasms Can never be my

>Numbero Uno Husbando

>>52324263
No I meant sisters

>>52324265
it's more likely they'll follow the TSons release to a T, m8

big fat primarch model
character model
hero box
5 terminators
10 space marines
10 cannon fodder

>>52324011
What do you think of giving MANZ and warbosses a random invul save? You roll a d6 for each squad befor deployment and thats your invul for the game? Could be hillarious.

>>52324263
I hope that if it acts that way they at least make it that S5+ gives the modifier, since S4 is much more common in 40k than it was in Fantasy

Still a much better mechanic than "AP3 ignore almost anything, AP2 ignore everything"

>>52324281
Excuse my autism.

>>52324265

>He doesn't want to make chaos spawn entirely out of piles of spare plague marine heads

>>52324263
So long high str., high AP weapons. At least my Manticores got better.

>>52324286
You forgot greater daemon

>>52324170
I like it, but see if making head the same color as torso and legs wouldn't look better (I'm not sayingit will, just a thought)

>>52324286
This. Though I wouldn't say no to a 5 model kit that's swimming in conversion bits for all my MkIIIs.

>>52324265
>50 heads and 3 different banners
Great, that means just one box will give variety to a entire army.

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>>52324292
Hey Bob sweeeetheart how is it going?

>>52324263
"Apparently" you're full of shit.

No surprise there.

>>52324304
He'll come after, alongside an AoS nurgle daemon release.

Just like the Lord of Change.

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>>52324313
when they going to update the aspect warriors of the eldar ffs

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So, what was announced at that adepticon panel yesterday? Was it a Skitarii transport?

>>52324327
#ASK GW

>>52324324
"Movement stat is back
Attackers get initiative when charging to combat
Saves are modified by S
Morale is like AoS
Themed armies are getting buffs"

No need to be so aggressive anon.

>>52323790
It's not. It's in a city cursed by nagash to be trapped between light and shadow forever. He doesn't actually live there. it's probably more like Xwing or the armageddon thing that got released and will have lore for the shadowelves.

>>52324331
nurgle, 8th ed, sigmar shit, more lenient online retailer policies, community site changes, support for online army builders

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>>52324333
all I want is plastic banshees!

>>52323011
No one?

>>52324263
>scatter lasers now have a -2 modifier to armour save
T-Thanks gw...

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>>52324339

Looking forward to GW thinking a thematic IG army is 400 infantry models

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least the dire avengers are fly

>>52323044

Female Space Marines are pretty much guaranteed now.

>>52324308
Yeah i tried both, maybe i'll just do the red helmets on Chosen and Terminators, to mark them out

>>52324327
Around the time plastic sisters happen.

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>>52322954
Remember me, heretics?

>>52324339
Wow nice "Quotes"

Here's the real ones you worthless sack of anal seepage.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warhammer-40000-news-from-adepticon/

"Movement

We think the Move value should come back. No more default unit types. Every model should have cool bespoke rules. Not only would that be more fun, but it’ll mean you will only need to learn the rules for your models."

"Shooting

Armour save modifiers. This topic comes up almost as often as Sisters of Battle… so we’re going to bring them back. Every weapon will have its place in your army and better represent how you imagine them working in your head."

"Combat Phase

Charging units should fight first. It’s just more thematic. So we’re hoping to work this out as well. It will reward tactically outmaneuvering your opponent. You can dictate the combats rather than being entirely Initiative based. You control who swings first."

"Morale

Its no longer all or nothing, and it affects everyone. We’re thinking of replacing break tests with a simple mechanic. Roll a D6, add that to the number of models your unit has lost this turn, subtract your Leadership and take that many additional casualties."


No need to pull stuff out your ass when the real quotes are on the damn community site in plain view and not regurgitated by a dyslexic slav on Dakka-Dakka

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>>52324374
plastic sisters really! I need another army with strong warrior women. got eldar with thier banshees, dark eldar with wyches and slaanesh daemons. now ill get some strong nuns

>>52323044
>>52324114

It's not, she's wearing full plate like other stormcast.

>>52324391


>fail to mention the new 'simple' morale mechanic is lifted straight from AOS

you know its bad when they didn't write, 'Here is this rule from our great game AoS, that is so great and that we know you 40k players love!" lel

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>>52324399
Might as well post this picture now, never get the opportunity for it.

>>52323285
>>52323318
Lets say you lost 6 models and youre leadership 7.
Lets say you roll a 4 on d6
6+4=10-7 = additional 3 casualities and 3 guys run away, and your blob of guys gets to stay in combat. Its to stop stuff like 30 ork boyz getting wiped by 10 space marinnes when they lose combat and fail the initiative roll off

>>52324376
Drawfag? Lolicron? No Idea who the other girl is.

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>>52324432
god I love space elves my eldar and dark eldar are gonna work together now too because of the ynnari force

>>52323011
I think everyone is too busy worrying about the sky falling, especially as any advice now will be irrelevant in a couple months.

Do I get regiments for IG?
Plastic Sister of Battle?
Tit deamons of slaanesh?

Or are we just getting politically correct models now?

>>52324461
Naw, i just don't play DA so no advice to give, also there's only ever three replies to a DA list "Not enough bikes", "lol terminators" and "stop taking so many bikes you WAAC faggot."

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why arent we talking about the eldar updates?

>>52324475
>Or are we just getting politically correct models now?
What do you think Anon

>>52324417
We don't know the details yet, it could still differ in some key points from the AoS 'morale' system

But so far it does sound similiar

>>52324493
what eldar updates?

>>52324493

What Eldar update?

>>52324493

What Aeldari updates?

>>52324475
space marines are going body-positive

clearly GW is full on SJW now

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>>52324507
>>52324509
ynnari/ynnead the birth of a god and the fact that I wanna talk about eldar

>>52324493
EXODITES WHEN

>>52324030
>That and lack of plastic warboss, plastic weirdboy and plastic tankbustas. Kommandos can be converted.

Tankbustas aren't hard to convert; the boys box comes with a rokkit launcha and a tankbusta bomb. There are a couple of AoS models that make decent weirdboys. You can often find AoBR warbosses on ebay, or just use Grukk, or convert the new AoS guy into a mega-armour one.

>>52324532

Nigga that happened 2 months ago. More new shit has come to surface including the fate of the future of 40k

>>52324532
Over a month old so no longer news.
Go away grandpa.

>>52324532
>Ynnari
Hope these guys get their own codex and units.

>>52324532

That's old news now anon.

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>>52324535
soon I hope more eldar is better

>>52324541
>>52324546
b-but I like eldar

>or slaanesh if she/he is getting new stuff!

>>52324532
Literally nothing interesting happens so the lens is thankfully back on the Imperium.

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>>52324560
ugh the imperium is boring people are always so obsessed with the humans in any universe....humans are boring fuck humans

>>52324558
Slaanesh is being written out of the game, they're not update her models or giving them a ST collect set for a reason.

>>52324591
shut up

>>52324580
Being this retarded should be ilegal.

>Sneak peak of a handful of rules released
>But this will break things as they currently exist, and absolutely nothing else will change!

>>52324605

Gaze upon the truth.

GW is gearing 40K towards kids because that is where the money is.

Female Space Marines
Removal of Snannesh
Rules that an autistic 10 year old could follow
More highly stylised models like Girlyman

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>>52324591
fucking sjw bullshit I bet they will tone down the dark eldar aswell I want my sex fiend army's. now my slaanesh army is going to be forgotten. I loved the evil fucked up nature of slaanesh and the dark eldar this is such bullshit fuck you GW

>>52324612
how is this retarded? humans are boring everyone loves the imperium so much its ok but mostly just boring old human meh

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>>52322954

Start Collecting! Death Guard when?

>>52322954
I havnt touched 40k in years, and I just looked into shit. It seems worse than ever but people are really optimistic. What am I missing?

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>>52324580
Humans are so boring and lame, i see them every day, fucking sick of them.

>>52324635
they haven't even done one for the thousand sons, so not any time soon

>>52324644
Desperation.
>>52324629
Eldar are a joke for special snowflakes.

>>52324644

Most of the fans like yourself have already left.

There are all new fags.

I keep it at arms length now and play Fantasy and Historics.

>>52324580
>>52324612

Not liking humans makes you creatively bankrupt; not retarded.

Whining about it, on the other hand, DOES make you retarded.

>>52323425
Thats just because they havnt been updated as recently. The power creep is fucking real as shit.

As a chaos player on hiatus, I looked at the new chaos shit, and some of it seems so lazy and OP I dont even want it.

>>52324625
shut up

>>52324629
you are a retarded eldar fan

shut up, too

>>52324672

To clarify, I meant HIM whining about not liking humans.

>>52324678

REPENT!

REPENT!

THE END IS NIGH!

>Every model should have cool bespoke rules. Not only would that be more fun, but it’ll mean you will only need to learn the rules for your models.
This REALLY bothers me, because it's wrong. You must know what your opponent's army does. You just do. You have to sit there and go through 30 pages of special rules and note combos before playing. You have no idea how fucking long that takes. AOS has like 600 pages of special rules now. Sooner or later all of them would come up to players. I should not have to dig through hundreds of pages, and then take notes as to interesting combos, to master your fucking game. Do I look like a Magic player? Fuck no.

>>52324644
>End times are coming.
>GW showing game down the drain where Fantasy Went
>Still not fix for Orks and Sisters
>People are optimistic.

>>52324644
KTHXBAI don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

>>52324691
>You must know what your opponent's army does. You just do.
most people who play 40k barely know their own armies rules

>>52324625
Female space marines is not appealing to kids you mongoloid. And if you seriously think kids have more money to spend on this shit than man children you're an idiot. Parents aren't going to shell out $500 to buy a new army every time they get released like the neckbeards at my local age store do

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>>52324660
agree

>>52324670
um no I dont think so anon space marines seem more like that idea

>>52324672
I dont see how but ill just say ok to avoid becoming angry

>>52324678
yes we should all like the spess mahrens!!!!

Pardon my ignorance, but does Corax White/Chaos Black spray contain properties that Mechanicus Standard Grey does not?
What's the difference between an undercoat and a basecoat? Does the grey not contain primer properties?

>>52324672
Using humans makes you creatively bankrupt, as your mind is limited to your own humanoid form.

>>52324690
NEIGH*

>>52324644
Because GW has been doing a lot of things right recently.
Or that's what I heard.

>the new Death Guard figs
Delightful. Can't wait to convert them into Tzeentch-worshippers.

>>52324696
what about this guy? What's his deal? >>52324704

There seems to be some consensus that things are improving or at least that they're not as shitty somehow.

>>52324691
Not now, since now ALL UNITS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN RULES AND EVEN MOVEMENT.

>>52324034
I've been reading my way through the HH books, and after enjoying Descent of Angels and finding Legion relatively hard to put down the printed shit pile that is Battle for the Abyss is heart breaking.
And one character in it has made me wish they'll squat Space Wolves.

>>52324745
People are crying because GW is changing the rules and change is scary for simpletons

>>52324691
They could just simplify things roll special rules that are functionally all but identical together into keywords, list those on the models and also have a note about any unique rule a model or weapon has directly on that model's Datasheet.

That way all you'd need is Datasheets for your models that your opponent can check out to easily see every rule that model has.

>>52324759
Yeah, that's my point. If I don't even know how far my opponent can move how am I supposed to play him properly? I have to look over his warscrolls to understand what the fuck I'm supposed to do.

>>52324745
Some men want to see the world burn.

>>52324712

Female Space Marines are what GW thinks kids want so they'll introduce them. They'll be part of Girlyman's MK.8 marines, they've probably developed a way to gene-splice women. It's also a great way to bring the normo's in, which is what GW wants more than anything, to make it respectable and 'cool' like video games have become.

Kids do spend more money than adults, every Christmas they'll be spending hundreds. They're also great impulse spenders. Most adults are much more selective in what they buy and can exercise control over new and shiny.

I'm sorry if you don't want to hear this but it's the truth.

I would pick up a copy of the 7th edition rules if you don't already have one.

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so is slaanesh actually being removed thats bs and imma kill and sjw and make drugs out of them for slaanesh if its true

>>52324734

It is nigh you mong.

>>52324779
I guess children was crying cos big boys who knew the rules was better at this game, so lets make so many rules that nobody knows anything and winner is just the guy who forgot more of his "negative" rules.

>>52324783
Doomsayer, please.

No one is talking about the vast fucking chasms in "matching" strength values. I really hope they plan to address that
Pretty tired of my Terminators only being as strong as khornate cultists. That and the sheer quantity of cheap AP2 just makes them not worth the points and it's a shame because terminators are awesome

>>52324783
That's what sisters of battle are for, and they're definitely coming back.

Also
>hundreds once a year, probably only once before they grow out of it and start getting laid
>thousands all year round through autism and disposable income
Not even fucking close.

>>52324716
No difference

Undercoat/Primer is a coat over the raw model to provide a even tone and good surface for base coats to adhere to.

Basecoat is a "flat" base layer of paint without highlights or shading painter on top of primer, some idiots just don't know the difference and so mix the two up

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Does pic related mean that they're getting rid of Formations and/or adding Command Points to them? Sounds like it and wouldn't surprise me if they kept general point costs for models and added a separate command point pool that Formations are paid with.

Here's just hoping that they'll actually give us some extra options as well that enable some of the more fluffy but Formation-less unit combinations. I just fucking want a small, easily fieldable Black Templar formation or Detachment already, holy shit GW, please.

>>52324806
Where exactly he is doomsaying, while just pointing that kids will give GW much more money.
The same reason why they give AoS (setting and miniatures) cartoonish design like WoW or LoL, or ffs Marvel superheroes (especially Thor).

>>52324806

It's not the end, there will be new kids coming into 40K who love it.

There comes a time though when you realise you've been left behind, you prefer the old style of art and models and hate the lore changes.

I wish the next generation luck, I'm sure it'll be like when I first go into the game and everything was new and interesting.

But for me, it's all got too far away from what Priestly originally made.

>>52324818
The literally announced that rend will replace AP.

Jeez, update your whinepasta.

>>52324836
I kinda hope so.
Current Formations + Command points would go too far off one end and penalize anyone who wants to try and do something out of the ordinary.

>>52324839
>>52324847
>I miss the black-and-white gore drawings

Is this the reason you guys are butthurt? I bet you guys hate Newcrons.

>>52324798
Slaanesh was already removed from AoS when it launched. There haven't been any new Slaanesh miniatures for any game for years even though every other chaos faction has gotten new minis and they literally introduced a god into 40k the purpose of which is to destroy slaanesh.

Make of that what you will.

Also it has nothing to do with SJWs, it has everything to do with sex monsters being difficult to market to children.

>>52324257
>tfw everyone's too focused on the new stuff
Pls help

>>52324870
Can I get a source on that? I dont follow these things that closely and that kind of statement needs a ton of qualification.

>>52324819

Anon, even GW has said in it's statements that they're targeting the 12 to 16 market.

Same thing cinemas did.

Same reason for AoS.

>>52324691
>AOS has like 600 pages of special rules now
Nearly all special rules are on the relevant unit's Warscrolls, only core mechanics aren't repeated.

What the fuck is a command point ´

>>52324890
It's been all over the last four threads.

>>52324391
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warhammer-40000-news-from-adepticon/

>"Shooting

>Armour save modifiers. This topic comes up almost as often as Sisters of Battle… so we’re going to bring them back. Every weapon will have its place in your army and better represent how you imagine them working in your head."

>>52324885

>asking for help with orks

do whatever the fuck you want, you are beyond help

>>52324916
This is literally my semi-annual 40k checkup. I just got done reading the bass-ackwards errata and now Im here.

>>52324873

Don't try to hold the tears back anon.

Being an Oldhammerer is a more fulfilling experience.

No more shitting on factions, no more rule changes to shill the newest models, a dedicated a loyal following...

>>52324691
It's not just wrong, it's "I can't do basic math" wrong.

Remembering how 5 different unit types move is less remembering than remembering how every individual unit in my army moves. Not that I'm against the movement stat, but unit types determining HOW that unit moves is vastly more practical than every different unit having different types of movement, or having the same type of movement, but with differently named rules.

>>52324907
We don't know. Could be points to buy warlord traits or artifacts, or army abilities from your list.

Or it could be special points to buy formation bonuses with. Or anything really we are months away from finding out.

>>52324257
Take Dakkajets. You're playing orks, fun is the only goal, and a fully loaded Dakkajet is...kinda fun. Not realy that fun I guess for lack of any AP. >>52324907
F

>>52324940
>Oldhammerer

>>52324907
Probably get them for HQs and army coherency. Likely gonna spend them on special rules such as ObSec and refilling charges etc

>>52324907
From what Ive seen in this thread its like a formation I think, but its for if your army conforms to some as of yet undetermined standard of fluffyness.

>>52324943
OR same named rule printed on a card the size of a base ball card that you can carry with you. With the full stat line of the unit on it. It's points costs and special weapons options. So you can just look at a card and see everything your unit does at a glance.

Battlescribe keeps telling me Chaos Lords from the Chaos Warband and/or Plague Colony detachments cannot take artefacts of chaos. I cant find any rules saying this so is it just a battlescribe glitch?

>>52324984
Or i can just remember than "guys move 6" and "plasma guy takes a wound if rolls 1, but can armour save"?

>>52324996
Possibly I've had errors like that when I load a file that had been saved with a pervious version. I find if I save it again and reopen it suddenly everything is right because it is reading from updated files.

>>52324034
Doesn't really bother me, I just want my 40k fix. So far I have read
>Horus Heresy, somewhere up around to the Scars book iirc
>The Beast Arises, a little less than half
>the SW book where they go around hunting for the Wulfen and it ends with Dark Angels leading a crusade against the Daemon infested planets around Fenris
And I know that The Gathering Storm and Primarchs are another 2 series that are big on lore changes. Is this all of them, or am I missing more?

>>52324996
More than likely. Battlescribe has had just as much trouble keeping up as the rest of us sometimes.

>>52324984
I'm not interested in carrying around card decks of any kind, thanks.

>>52325028
Agreed. Thats what I said about tactical objectives.

>>52325012
Or you can create more tactical diversity and balance by slowing down some guys, and speeding up others. "Space Marines move 5" Terminators move 4" Daemonetts move 8"

If AoS had initiative values, fixed turn orders, points values that are granular enough to take individual models or pay for upgrades, let HQ's actually join units and every faction had the level of customisability the latest battletomes since Sylvaneth bring, it'd be a functional simplified warhammer game.

So if new 40k resembles what I just described, I'll be reluctantly okay with it but mourn the loss of a proper mass battle game.

So, how bad are things looking for the orks?

'Thematic' armies getting a bonus probably translates to 'orks are required to be a footslogging horde melee army in order to qualify for shit' because GW don't like to acknowledge that clans other than Goffs exist.

New morale rules mean high-model-count low-survivability units are totally fucked. Which is most of our stuff.

Charging unit strikes first might actually be good for us, since it means some hope of us striking first, ever. Could make stormboys more viable.

Movement rates mean that mega-armour is probably going to become worthless again.

Armour save modifiers are probably overall good for us, depending on how they are implemented.

I expect that they are going to keep the current codexes and just use a system to translate old rules into new, like AP 3 will become -3 to armour saves and normal infantry will be Move 6, Fleet is Move 8, S&P Move 4 or something.

>>52325014
>>52325024
Thanks. Im trying to practice death guard with Nurgle Daemons as allies and it was bugging me. I don't actually like Nurgle that much but I play CSM and just bought Daemons of Nurgle so now everyone expects me to play the new Death Guard models in a fluffy nurgle list.

>>52323539
Tyranids are going the way of the tomb Kings might as well pretend they never existed

>>52325055
FUCK OFFZEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKE

>>52324907
My guess is "quota points" making spamming specialists like FA/Elites/HS hard.

>>52325053

2nd edition Orks could move 4 inches, so expect that.

>>52325048
I think that if you're going to do mass battle you should just do it right and use a scale more similar to Epic. Trying to make a game that works in both killteam and apoc makes no sense.

>>52325028
Okay do you use Battlescribe? Because that prints your stats too. I only use my codex for the chaos boon table these days, or glancing at my units when building the army lists.

>>52325039
Thanks, now i need a deck of cards to see who moves how far. Wait while i search through it to find my Aluress to find that she have 5++ on he card, instead of Daemon USR that give 5++.

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>>52324877
sigh so lame I love slaanesh but I also love the eldar so its hard. also fuck kids sex monsters are the best. dark eldar and slaanesh for life!

>although dark eldar might get toned down wich would suck huge ass

>>52324819
>Implying getting laid has stopped people from plastic-crack

Anon cocks and pussy is not strong enough to stop people from doing Grey dust!

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>>52321760

>>52325048
40k wasn't a "mass battle game" for a long time though.

>>52325054
Bring Spawn with the Mark of Nurgle. Nobody will see it coming and its actually an amazing shock unit for the points. T5 and 3 wounds and a cover save will soak shots till the cows come home, and re-rolling charges with no cover effects kicks ass.

>>52325093
Not even page 8 yet.

>>52325097
Tel that to the guys at my LGS who play a 9 hour apoc game every three weeks.

>>52325106
>2017
>Not using the catalogue

Oh wow

>>52324954
But Dakkajets are S6 AP4 Assault 9 BS3 Twin-Linked for 130 points. For 15 points they also get BS3 versus flyers and skimmers.

Blitza-Bommers have two Boom Bombs which are S7 AP2 Large Blast Armourbane, a TL Supa-Shoota which is BS 2 S6 AP4 Assault 3, and a big shoota, which is BS3 S5 AP5 Assault 3 for 135 points.

It's hard for me to choose because they both seem really good.

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>>52324873
>>I miss the black-and-white gore drawings
Where anyone of us says it?
Also old art was better than picrelated.
>I bet you guys hate Newcrons.
Is there anything interesting in newcrons?

>>52324690
You, sir, you are a blight!

>>52325126
Son...I have some bad news. Nothing in the orks codex is good. If you're playing for fun, bring the jets, rolling more dice has been scientifically shown to be fun.

>>52324830
Alright, cool.
So what's the best spray to buy for 40K figures?
Vallejo?

>>52325132

Holy shit... please don't tell me that was ever published in a physical book?