/5eg/ - Fifth Edition General

>>52322564
First for blitzing your chakras.

What's the best build, in general, for a swashbuckler, including high levels not typically reached? 11 fighter/3 rogue? just for fun

>>52322598
What's wrong with a straight swashbuckler?

>>52322608
Gay swashbucklers have more fun.

>>52322636
That's... Not... Damn you.

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>>52322636
I lul'd.

>>52321938
>>52321990
Gonna need some more details there buddy

>>52322674
Such as?

>>52322598
The answer is still mystic. Use nomadic step and cloak of wind to emulate swashbuckling.

>>52322686
Not him but...

- Allow content (Volo Race,UA,Homebrew) is a big one.
- Timezone is another big one
- Age limit... maybe?

>>52322695
Mystic is the best answer for alot of classes, that's part of why it's such a shit class itself. It's every niche in the game but with psychic powers.

>>52322705
Mountain Standard Time, pretty open but there's a guy in Spain who always causes troubles.

>Age limit

Such as?

Volo and Sword Coast is fine. UA depends on how much of a faggot you're trying to be.

>>52322168
>>52321575
Couple races I did on request, linking for the requestors who are probably asleep, and whoever else might care.

>>52322736
Contact info, day/time, tone of campaign, voice/text/mix, etc

>>52322736
>spain guy
Hey another spain anon; can i join?

>>52322736
roll stats like a anti-fun faggot or standard array / point-buy like a reasonable and pro-fun human.

>>52322802
3d6 in order is the real mans method.

>>52322771
Yes

>>52322767
One sec and I'll make a roll20 page, tone is going to be the same tone of every D&D campaign (attempted seriousness that turns into black comedy), DMing and detailed character actions is mainly text, will probably use voice as a side thing so players can discuss strategy if desired and ask for clarification etc.

>>52322809
After or before race?

>>52322802
Standard point buy, to be sure.

>>52322809
In OD&D that's fine, you can have a totally viable char with straight 3s there.

>>52322845
After race, but i typically let them pick class afterwards, so if you have a specific desire to play a class, you pick the race that gives you the best odds.

>>52322822
Good! I am at work atm so ill check on 7-8h probably

>>52322845
>>52322809
Declare race and class, 3d6 in order.

>>52322854
Hahaha what a pussy.
Did your mommy feed you cockmilk you queer?
Class race 3d6 in order no rerolls only.

>>52322868
>>52322862
But anons, you can't even BE certain classes without the stats for it.

>>52322736
>>52322822
>>52322847
What's your favorite anime

Do you have a girlfiend

Anti or pro skub

>>52322868
No items. Final destination.

>>52322871
Then you leave the game in shame.

>>52322871
What happens if you roll a total of 3 six times?

>>52322890
I'd have to check, but i'm fairly certain Thief had no stat requirements.

>>52322890
You pick moon druid.

https://app.roll20.net/join/17848/fHPihw

For those interested. I'm flexible on times, but figuring out how to incorporate people in Spain and people in Murika ought to be a challenge.

What's the best way to stat a war mage/ red wizard?
I'm thinking pumping int/ con, Vhuman with Fighter 1/ evocation wizard x for heavy armour, defence fighting style with shield and war caster feat.
Or Fighter 5 for extra attack and and battlemaster manoeuvres, but loose out on the 9th level spell.

What spells should I take? I'm thinking a mix of damage dealing, defence and mobility.

>>52322872

Yeah, I'm married, don't worry I've never been accused of showing favoritism.

>>52322911
>11 players

How many will drop after first session?!
How many wont show up?

>>52322943
The player list is almost everyone who has played in any of my non AD&D campaigns over the last 4 years, not everyone who is playing in this.

>>52322952
>not wanting to do a 11man+ game
C'mon!

>>52322911
Do you have a cute dog?

If you had to pick a fictional character to be your waifu, who would you pick?

What's your favorite The Twilight Zone episode?

>>52322918
Red mage is just valor bard. Complete with stupid hat.

Bladesinger work too.

>>52322997
I'm not averse to an 11man sandboxy hexploration game but I am averse to an adventure path 11man game.

>>52323017
>>52322872
I guess my favorite anime is Rin: Daughters of Mnemosyne, as a storyline that takes place across a vast span of time in a changing world is probably the most relevant to my interests, and Rin would probably be my first pick for a waifu, I guess.

I have a cute black cat and my neighbor has a calico-looking husky mix that gets out a lot that is pretty cool.

My favorite Twilight Zone is probably The Obsolete Man.

>>52323032
Sure, but doesn't fit with my RP concept, nor does it give me heavy armour. DM is pretty roleplay heavy, and I was hoping to be at or near the frontline, and primarily casting damage spells. Given that wizard gets a lot, and primarily relies on spells rather than weapons

>>52323144
Man, maybe i'm just retarded, but i used the link you posted and i didn't see a damned bit of relevant information.

I literally haven't used roll20 beyond setting up an account though, the game i was going to play in fell through

Is the requirements of becoming a lich is to be a magic user? Or I just need a phylactery?

>>52323144
>Rin: Daughters of Mnemosyne

That's an interesting choice, I too found that anime to have a surprisingly interesting world despite being near-porn

>>52323167
The requirements are an undefined, extremely evil process. Ask your DM.

Anybody follow Dice, Camera, Action?

What does immunity to nonmagical attacks mean to you?
Immunity to bullets, artillery, being dropped from a great height, having an anvil dropped on you, getting rammed by a great beast?

>>52323164
>and i didn't see a damned bit of relevant information.

I haven't put anything up yet. After I'm done here I'll probably make a list of stuff we've agreed on from this thread.

So far:
1. Point buy
2. Pretty standard Faerun
3. HotDQ inspired
4. All published splats allowed, UA grudgingly allowed with sanity checks as appropriate (I don't like garbage along the lines of loremasters and nuclear druids)
5. Probably using Vitality, may use other variant rules from the books.
6. The PCs will likely get a feat training reward quickly, ie. before level 4.
7. No other early "balance fixes" are intended, though Simulacrum factories etc. are not my cup of tea.

>>52323260
Well, im headin to bed now, ill check back when i awake i suppose.

Currently looking like 2PM on Sunday.

>>52323167
default is 20wiz, spend a few weeks making potion and phylactery, get DM approval and someone to teach you, become an evil NPC

>>52323260
Is this going to have a discord or the like, or just showing up at game time on roll20?

>>52323370
A Skype channel will be provided, and will be optional (more light conversation/intraparty strategizing than me narrating & voicing NPCs).

They should just make a skeleton race.

Be a skeleton magic user? Lich.

Skeleton warrior? Death knight.

>>52323420
When will this meme die?

>>52323420
There was some generator before that threw around mention of LIVING SKELETONS. Inspired me to think of bone people that were just randos cursed by a necromantic fey.

>>52323450
You cannot kill that which is already dead.

I'm going to be running a game soon for two players. One soliution I have to filling out the party was to create a bunch of NPC followers that mechanically function like PCs, each with their own backstory and side quests that could be completed or not depending on what the players decide to do.

I have a couple of questions, however...

First, I was thinking of having them only level up when their specific goals or story archs are completed as opposed to just taking a portion of XP from the PCs - both to incentivize the players to aid the followers they like so they can become stronger, and to prevent the book keeping and rebalancing necessary if these lower level followers suddenly level up mid adventure. Is this a good idea? I'm worried it will ruin game balance, as the DMG recommends that said followers do take their share of XP since they were helping the party in combat.

Secondly, I'm going to have the players controlling these NPCs in combat, only over ruling their decisions if they act out of character. During normal play, I don't want the NPCs doing too much other than maybe commenting a little and helping with skill checks - but I don't want them to just be video game party members that have zero presence until a fight starts. I want to strike a balance between ensuring the players feel like the protagonists of the story and not a side show to these followers - but also not making the followers just feel like video game pieces. How do I do this right?

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So I'm starting my first campaign on roll20 and the DM is a 14 year old but he has over 200 hours of gameplay, not sure what to expect, what's the youngest player you guys have played with?

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>>52322564

Our DM allows us to multiclass to optimize our characters.

I made a dragon sorc and want to dip into barb so that my AC equals 13 + Con + Dex (unarmored defense). However, the DM says that i can't have both (only the bonus from sorc applies). Is he right /tg/?

>>52323634
Yes he's right. You can choose to use the 10+DEX+CON or 13+DEX.

>>52323634
Your DM is absolutely correct. In general, abilities do what they say.

>>52323641
>>52323646

B-b-but why?

>>52323634
Now dip into Monk too and argue that
10+Dex+Con+Wis so the DM bans you from the table

>>52323634

Your DM is right. You can't stack them. Check Sage Advice.

>>52323650
Because neither of those are bonuses, they're a new method of calculation. You can use one, or the other, but you can't combine them.

>>52323650
By RAW/RAI, because the 10+CON and the 13 acts as your base AC, and you can only use one of those at a time.

By fluff, because you have to be extremely hardy for your skin to get even tougher than your already tough dragon scales.

>>52323650

Because in general 5e strives to avoid "dip one level for unintended combos".

>>52323517
>>First, I was thinking of having them only level up when their specific goals or story archs
That's fine, just tune encounters for the larger party size and just have the followers "leech" the additional EXP. i personally use milestone levels and do away with XP in my campaign for all PCs.

>>Secondly, I'm going to have the players controlling these NPCs in combat,
just have them be more engaging during non-combat scenes. for example, instead of narrating stuff yourself, you could act as the character and give a description from their words. making sure they have a presence just means that you are actively engaging them in the story. doesn't hurt to have acting skills to make sure your varied characters don't feel too stale or same-y

>>52323594
The iterative penalty thing is in line with 3e but not 5e. If anything, lose advantage or gain disadvantage on the first penalty, and subsequent attacks being with disadvantage until one misses, would maybe apply, though still be clunky as hell.

>>52323650
>B-b-but why?

You can save the trouble of asking by remembering this simple rule: abilities do what they say.

>While you are not wearing any armor, your Armor Class equals 10 + your Dexterity modifier + your Constitution modifier. Vou can use a shield and still gain this benefit.

Nowhere does it say "when unarmored, add your Constitution modifier to your existing AC" which is probably what you wished it said.

>>52323676
What is the highest AC you can get at level 2? Assume point buy, and no UA stuff.

>>52323759
probably something along the lines of 21 or thereabouts

>>52323759
plate + shield + defense fs = 21

>>52323759
Using only starting equipment, 20.

Variant Human Medium Armor Master, Scale Armor, 16 Dexterity, a shield, and the Defense fighting style.

>>52323759
Chainmail + Shield + Defense Fighting Style = 19.
>>52323798
It's impossible to get plate at level 2 unless your DM gives you a set, or gives you a shitload of gold to buy plate with, and if we assume that we could also assume you get magical AC boosting items.

>>52323798
Add being human on top of that for extra spellcasting feat for Shield of Faith for another +2.

>>52323824
>scale armor
>starting equipment
>class that gets Fighting styles

wat?

>>52323884
Ranger.

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>>52316783
I'm this anon. Anyone got a copy of their Yawning Portal already?

>>52323926
where did you order your copy from?

>>52323884
You know you can roll for gold and buy gear, right?

>>52323942
From a local store in Denmark.

>>52323167
>>52323325
Daily reminder that Acerak was a Wizard/Cleric

>>52323948
>rolling starting gold
Worse than rolling stats, fampai.

>>52323759
Variant Human (Medium Armor Master), 1st Level Cleric (for Scale Armor in starting equipment), 2nd level Fighter (For Defense Fighting Style), have shield 16 dex, cast shield of faith, 22 AC.

>>52323926
How does Hidden Shrine and Tomb of Horrors look? They're gonna make or break the book for me.

>>52323956
That's nice.

>>52324015
>What is the highest AC you can get at 2nd level
>posts a 3rd level build
Do you need glasses, anon?

>>52323926
Why have you not sliced that fucker's spine open and given the internet high-res page scans?

>>52323926
Post Magic Items?

>>52322564

Just wanted to say Luis Royo is a criminally underrated artist. I use his pictures for my sci fi games all the time

>>52324029
>1 level of cleric + 1 level of fighter = 3 levels

>>52324029
Hes saying that the characters second level is in fighter. Fighters get fighting styles first level.

>>52324018
Haven't played/seen the prior versions of those dungeons before, so I can't speak about any differences. The dungeons seem quite a bit more detailed than their usual published 5e content, but I've really only had a cursory glance.
The shrine is designed for 5th level players and the tomb for "high level" (second highest dungeon is level 11)

>>52323926
ooo can you give me a quick rundown on the Deathlock Wight, Greater Zombie, and Ooze Master? Such as CR and any fluff details that stand out

>>52323926
Mind me asking what the Ooze Master and Thorn Slinger are like?

Has anyone every played around with non-physical command words? Specifically I was wondering what would happen if you did Command: Forget! Ideally I'd like for them to forget what happened in the past x seconds, but all the examples for command that I can find are targets attempting to do something physical.

Do you prefer playing with or without a grid and minis?

>>52324119
With, I find combat as much of the game as anything else and it's easier to play it on a grid.

>>52324113
It has to be something the target is physically capable of doing, so unless they have the ability to erase their own memories the command fails.

>>52324119
in-person over table-top, no grid. online, grid is pretty much a necessity.

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>>52324061
Here you go.
Really sorry about the photo quality, I only have a shitty iPhone on hand - trying my best.

>>52324102
>>52324112
I'll see in a sec.

>>52324083
>>52324084
I see where I fucked up. Other anon still chose a retarded way of writing it out instead of saying Cleric 1/Fighter 1.

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>>52324147
Had a bit more luck with the flash.

>>52324141
>It has to be something the target is physically capable of doing
I can't find this mentioned anywhere. It only says "If the target can't follow the command, the spell ends". If it was a physical command, then if the target can't physically do it, then sure it ends. But this would be a mental command. And forgetting is something everyone can do.

>>52324174
>shatterspike
I like it.

>>52324194
Can you actively forget things on command?

>>52324174
>Spear of Backbiting
>You are unwilling to part with the weapon, keeping it within reach at all times
>when you throw it

Does that mean you can only throw it after the curse is removed?

>>52322598
Get magic initiate or multiclass for GFB/BB (Rapier combat, though bonus points if you pick up a shield from somewhere)... However, if you want to do this, you're better off just being an AT that gets the mobile feat.
OR
Get 5 levels of barbarian (+speed, +Tankiness for melee combat, +extra attack, viable with strength for grappling and thus two-weapon-fighting)


Basically I think the only 'optimal' swashbuckler builds (That aren't trumped by AT) are multiclass builds, especially barbarian.


Of course, just do what you want, though.

>>52322598
Swashbuckler X/Dragon Sorcerer 1. Sick armour, BB, GFB and spellcasting.

>>52324228
>Have magic item that 'you keep this magic item within reach of you at all times'
>Make yourself forget you have the magic item, a teammate picks the item off of your person for you
>No more cursed weapon

>>52324228
Hmm, I guess that's where it falls apart indeed. I guess much like sleeping, the target would attempt to forget but probably fail to actually do so by the time the spell ends.

>>52324194
The traditional way of interpreting this spell is, if a player tries anything ambiguous, to have it fail or do something stupid.

At most, if it was used on someone trying to remember something specific (a command word, etc) it'd make him forget for a round.

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>>52324112
>>52324102
Ooze Master.

>>52324266
Eh, you could do this with an AT without multiclassing with a feat.

Pick up BB/GFB as cantrips.
Spellcasting is obvious.
Pick up mage armour as one of your spells.
Pick up the 'mobile' feat.

Now you're just as good, except you have +10ft speed, you don't get the easier sneak attacks and you don't get +CHA to initiative.
But you can multiclass to pick up shield proficiency I guess.

Hm. I suppose it's not an overwhelming advantage to be AT there until the later levels (Considering you keep getting more and more spells and eventually shit like haste), at the lower levels at least swashbuckler might be better there.

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>>52324112
Thorn Slinger.

>>52324303
>Ooze master

YES! I'm about to start running Out of the Abyss in a few days. This will be most useful. Yesssss...

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>>52324102
Greater Zombie.

>>52324395
>>52324303
Fuckin cool, thanks.

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>>52324102
Deathlock Wight.

>>52324328
Dude wants to be a swashbuckler, good at public, 1v1 duels without obviously magical tricks. Cantrips etc. are unquestionably nice, but the easier sneak attacks are the jist of the character, the player doesn't want to ever have to depend on a party member.

>>52322564
So how do you guys handle the stuff outside of core? Do you allow it outright or do you trickle it in slowly to give flavor to the world?

So, for example, is Green Flame Blade and the other sword coast spells require an actually trip to the sword coast to learn them or can they just choose that cantrip from the get-go? Do starting characters have to come from core races but once you meet some of the Volo monster races they become available for later characters or are all races open at the start for chargen?

>>52324433
Hot damn, did these guys ever get an upgrade from 3e.

>>52324395
Just noticed:
>On a success, the lich drops to 1 hit point instead.
>lich
Why not just copy from the regular zombie statblock, if you're gonna copy?

>>52324441
But AT gets self-granted advantage later, a rogue can always use a bonus action to hide, the AT gets a familiar for either advantage or just standing near the enemy to mark them, the fact you don't even have teammates to help you in the first place is already worrying...

If you want to be good at 1v1, having more speed is probably better. If for some crazy reason you had truestrike, you could truetsrike->bonus dash 80ft ->attack next turn->run more...


Yes, the sneak attack thing is good, but it's also why I call swashbuckler 'rogue made easy'. There are many, many ways to get sneak attack, and swashbuckler is reducing you to 'I don't want to fight smart in a 1v1'.

>>52324484
Nothing remotely Sword Coasty about the new class options, they're just stuff put in there that are vaguely appropriate.

For yuan ti, I'd let a dedicated PC play a human, meet the yuan ti, and bring the sacrifices and potion ingredients to make him one, at which point he can swap it out. Would be at level 4 or 8, so he doesn't lose a feat.

>>52324528
Oh, speaking of which, if you're using GFB/BB then you won't be using two-weapon-fighting which means advantage as an action is about as good as attacking every turn, except there's a (ChanceToHit)^2 where chance to hit is between 0 and 1 loss if you were likely to hit both attacks anyway.

>>52324528
A guy who uses magic to beat people is totally counterproductive to the concept, especially because his opponent and all onlookers can quite rightly say "Oh wow, you can use magic to win a fuckin duel, whoop de doo."

>the fact you don't even have teammates to help you in the first place is already worrying...

Not wanting to depend on teammates, and not having teammates, are very different.

>>52324395
>>52324519
>If damage reduces the zombie to 0 hit points
>the lich drops to 1 hit point

Drag a greater zombie into a Lich's lair, stab it a few times, and instantly kill the Lich.

>>52324519
>zombie gets hit
>somewhere in the world a Lich falls to 1 hp and doesn't know what the fuck just happened

>>52324303
>>52324336
Awesome, thank you.

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>>52324569
>>52324571
>>52324573
Obligatory disclaimer.
>mfw it isn't even april

So it's entirely possible that we might see Yawning Portal in full before April 5?

>>52323576
6yo, with those tiny heroes thing and simples, roleplay oriented systems

>>52322695
>Cha is a dumpstat
>Proficient with a dagger
>Powers come from boring study and contemplation
>Jumping through wormholes and summoning a gust around yourself is swashbuckling
>No expertise, no vital attacks, no innately charming wit, no evasion
You're bad at this

>>52324606
Definitely possible, I don't have access to a scanner myself though, I'm afraid.

>>52324563
If you want to be someone who can one on one somebody without cheap tricks, why are you a rogue? Why not be a fighter or a paladin or a barbarian or literally anyone else?

>>52324519
My guess is, that since it's impersonating a lich, they renamed it a few times and that lich slipped through the cracks.

>>52324571

> Somewhere a Lich decides to make zombie his phylactery

>>52324594
I really like these disclaimers.

>>52324630
Because you want to be a fucking swashbuckler, obviously.

You're one of those guys who uses EV training in pokémon, aren't you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7PceUl5Py8

>>52324630
>why are you a rogue?

Because he's a swashbuckler, and coincidentally the archetype says swashbuckler and allows you to do swashbuckler things like chop people up 1v1 no tricks?

Not to mention an at will, nonmagical 1 minute charm ability that seems to have zero limits or consequences for failure that would let him make indifferent NPCs friendly for a bit and in many cases protect the whole party from a potent foe, although I have a feeling the player won't give a shit about that angle.

>Starting at 13th level, you can use a bonus action on your turn to gain advantage on the next Dexterity (Acrobatics) or Strength (Athletics) check you make during the same turn.

Not the easiest or best way to get expertise + strength advantage for grappling but humorous to think the dashing swashbuckler is damn good at strangling people underwater, etc.

>>52324706
>>52324713
If you wanted to be a swashbuckler type, but not use cheap tricks, why not just play a fighter so you have things like Dueling fighting style and more attacks as well as martial ranged weapon proficiency so you can use guns, if your DM allows it.

>>52322598
Definetly Swashbuckler/Dragon sorcerrer with Booming blade and Green flame blade.

Some say Arcane trickster with mobile is better...And i agree it's better on the level of theorycrafting but Swashbuckler is plain easy to play.

So, what's your approach towards bards setting-wise?

I mean, it's pretty easy to find a place in the universe for every class in the settings' cultures, but I find bards kinda challenging.

The source of their power is described in the PHB in a very weird way. Is it a trained thing or are you born with it? If it's all about training, can anyone become a bard?

>>52324834
Seeing as how I am the DM, I'd allow the player whatever he wants, including a gun as a backup weapon. I already pointed out his best bet is probably some blend of fighter swashbuckler, though I don't see much bad about it other than wild MADness.

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>>52324706
>>52324713
>>52324834

Yeah just... be a Fighter. It's better at stand-up combat like this. Even Champion is better if you consider Maneuvers to be 'cheap tricks'.

Hell, what constitutes a 'cheap trick'?

>>52324910
i usually fluff it by saying it's innate magical talent channeled through song and dance. the ability is probably something you're born with, but it takes training in order to harness it.

>>52324713
>Not to mention an at will, nonmagical 1 minute charm ability that seems to have zero limits or consequences for failure

Well shit. I'm now incredibly less satisfied with Glamour bard's Enthralling Performance. I guess being able to target multiple targets and lasting for over an hour makes it worth being limited to once per day and taking 10 minutes of performance to do.

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A lot of them are garbage.

>>52324910
In my setting, bards are simply sorcerers in denial, who channel their power in an unusual way.

>>52324886
Wow, 4 cantrips, nice.

>>52324938
>Hell, what constitutes a 'cheap trick'?

Probably having to have a fucking owl slap the dude in the head with his wings or whatever the arcane trickster does in his place.

>>52324910
They were already seasoned veterans and roguish types who needed a new challenge and decided to start over as bards, storytelling types are the most common.

>>52324713
I forgot about that part of Panache. In my memory from a long time back when I did a swashbuckler, it was just a taunt ability.

But it's an at-will non-magical charm person.

If you're aiming for that, that's actually a good reason to aim for swashbuckler, even if AT has a lesser charm person (Though they can upcast charm person or might be able to use it to calm hostile creatures).


Otherwise, really, in general, swashbuckler to me sounds like an easy melee rogue that's just an alternative to a fighter (Expertise and that sort of thing). But the power gap isn't too significant.

>>52323684
nobody gives a shit about random homebrew posted on the internet unless its meme worthy

New DM here with a party of new players. We have:
>tiefling rogue
>human druid
>gnome bard
>dragonborn monk

And we're starting at level 1 (with bonus feat) on LMoP. How squishy do they sound on a scale of one to squashed?

>>52325102
All first level players are squishy unless they're a half-orc fighter with heavy armor master.

>>52325102
You'll be fine.

That class distribution sounds a lot like the last group I was in, except we had a cleric instead of a druid.

>>52325102
A single goblin could kill them.

>>52324910
In my setting, bardic magic requires study to essentially learn the underlying music of creation. Every individual thing has its own verses, its own melodies, and these are what bards study.
Wizards, on the other hand, study a different form of arcane power, and take a more scientific approach to magic.

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>>52325102
What the fuck are they doing

>+1 int +2 cha race on a rogue that only really neds dex and con
>+1 to all stats race on the most SAD class or +1+1 with feat on a class that doesn't really need feats
>+2 int +1dex/+1con on a charisma-based caster
>+2 str +1 cha on the most stat-hungry class of all that only needs wis/dex/con and needs it BADLY

What the fuck
What the holy fuck
Is this a troll party? A troll post?!
ANSWER ME

>>52324970
>Christorbinixonnocherto
I'm going to use the hell out of this name.

>>52325159
not everyone is a munchkin like (you)

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>>52325159
They chose the classes and races that seemed most fun.

>>52325159
>new players

>>52325181
>Ha ha stop being a munchkin
>plays the worst possible race on the harshest possible class, monk
>omg why do I suck so much why is everyone else so much better than me

Every time.

>>52325203
or you know, they just die, like a proper GM who actually kills a PC every now and again, and he rerolls another character

>>52325197
All the more reason to stick to the PHB's suggestions rather than trying some fancy strength monk or whatever build. Once you know the game, you can do shit like strength monk effectively without being a 10 AC melee character who doesn't deal damage and can't stun shit.

>>52325102
Dude, you didn't even bring a single archer or arcane caster. How are you going to deal with the urd archers?

>>52325159
Good job that tieflings have an option that gives them +2 Dex instead.
For the human and gnome, who gives a shit, they'll be fine. The human can have a +3 in Wis and be decent in everything else. The gnome is a single ASI behind, it isn't crippling.
The monk is the only one in trouble due to the class being so stat intensive.

>>52325203
If it makes it any better, the monk player has taken improved grapple for his feat and intends to focus on grappling the most troublesome enemy in every encounter.

>>52325159
It's almost like they simply picked race they want to play and classes they want to play instead of theorycrafting the most optimal builds.

Even then, chr is fine for rogues that want to deceive/intimidate/etc.

>>52325239
Hahahooo that's gonna be a bad time.
Monk is just about the easiest class to fuck up, and that's three strikes
He's not boosted his strength, has he?

>>52325225
>tfw had a monk with shitty stats, not taking ASIs to increase stats
>DM seems to be good at not having characters die
>This poor fuck becomes the joke of the party, has to be rescued by overpowered magical items to make them useful to the party

>>52325225
Being merely shitty is not gonna kill you very fast, dude.

>>52325232
Bard should cover that, right? My guy has +3 dex, a crossbow and vicious mockery.

Is Psionic Assault any good? Some people said it's the best attack option but I can't see why...

>>52325263
No, wis and dex are his top stats. I'm letting him apply dex to grapple checks because that just makes sense to me for a martial artist.

>>52325284
A CR 3 mummy can kill a 3rd level monk in two rounds or less easily if it gets the surprise round.

>>52325291
It's alright. Not the best, but it's fine. They're overvaluing the fact that psionic blast is autodamage. It's really inefficient.

>>52325159
> Implying Druid with Sentinel isn't amazing

>>52325239
Great. They have piss-poor health, piss-poor AC, their grappling ability is worse than a barbarian's and worse than a rogue's and worse than a BARD'S and they took a feat that allows them to, as a bonus action (Which they already have a bonus action to attack with) ... -.. Okay, no, wait, I thought you meant 'tavern brawler'. The other grappling feat is 'grappler'
Here's how grappler benefits them:
>You can use your action to restrain yourself???
>You can grapple creatures a size larger than you, even though you could already do that
>You have advantage to attack a creature you're grappling. Wow, advantage to hit with 1d4+STR attacks! You could just shove them to get advantage anyway, or almost anything else to get advantage.


Also, the party has no real tanks. The monk is NOT a tank, in any respect. They're in fact the squishiest player irght now.
The rogue isn't awfully tough until level 5.
The bard... The bard can be tougher if they get to level 3 and get valor bard.
The druid can be by far the most tanky by going moon druid and becoming a bear, but... They're a new player, do they even know how to druid?

>>52325284
>14 AC
>9 HP
>Only melee attacks, likely to try and grapple the bugbear
Even if both of the party's casters MIGHT take healing spells, it's a fair wager to say he dies in the goblin cave if no punches are pulled

>>52325325
Cool. I won't have to feel about about taking Commander mantle and just tell our fighter or barbarian to attack over and over then.

>>52323759
>>52324015
What's the highest AC at level 2 with UA stuff?

>>52325338
Isn't that the pre-UA Grappler feat? I think they corrected it.

>>52325290
I was just making something up, I didn't realize the party had actual problems...

>>52325311
>>52325239
>the monk player has taken improved grapple for his feat and intends to focus on grappling the most troublesome enemy in every encounter.

This specifically is gonna lead to heartache.

Do you segregate your dwarves /5eg/?

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> Mantle of Command
> Use spear
> Dump wis and came up with GENIUS TACTIC!

>>52325348
Yeah, giving the Fighter an entire Attack action outside his own turn is actually quite good.

>>52325244
There's a gap between 'theorycrafting' and 'randomizing all your options would give a better result than what you've picked'.

It's called 'reading the PHB'. 'Cha is your most important stat! why not try playing:
half-elf, tiefling, halfling, human, drow, dragonborn, aasimar or literally any race that gives +cha?'

Sure, dragonborn might not give you a lot in that case, just +1 charisma, but it's better than this train wreck.

Since there's a bard, why isn't the bard doing the deceive/inimidate/etc stuff? If the bard and the rogue swapped classes, they'd be better off.

>>52325331
That could be true, actually.

>>52325369
Is there a new grappler feat in the UA? What's it like?

>>52325375
Give him this homebrew instead
>>52323594

>>52325359
Forge Cleric:
Heavy armor + Shield
Blessing of the Forge
Shield of faith
Shield spell

>>52325417
I think he meant 6/10/2015 errata?

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>>52325395
Yep, there's the undermountain Jewish Catholics with an Indian caste system, the split kingdom of mixed races that pulled a Church of England, and various scattered minorities, nomads, or pagans.
The subraces are not based on members of these groups or their locales, but their societal roles. In the first, working castes all have military training and are mountain, while cushy upper castes are hardy hill.

>>52325417
I thought so about the grappler feat but now I can't find it.

>>52325406
Only after level 5. It don't think it's worth using 3 point before they get extra attack (unless you have a rogue in the party)

Give me one reason why Hill Dwarves are the superior race

>>52325452
If all it did is say 'actually, creatures a size larger can be grappled without this feat' it doesn't really make the feat any stronger.

Pinning a target is still almost always a bad thing instead of shoving them.

>>52323829
>Magical AC boosting items
>Being as easy to get as plate
As if

>>52325582
Actually useful racial traits.

>>52325582
They're the utterly perfect Moon Druid race.

>>52325582
Yet another big bruiser race, goliaths get +2 Strength, +1 Constitution, proficiency in athletics, the unique ability to use a reaction upon taking damage to roll a D12 and reduce that damage by [result + Constitution modifier] once per short rest, count as one size larger for carrying, dragging, pushing and lifting and are automatically acclimated to high altitude and naturally adapted to cold climates if your DM's using those rules.

Also, got a lot more cultural tweaks than just about anyone was expecting

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>>52325308
Oh, okay, if he can Grapple with Dexterity (Acrobatics) then the idea of a monk grappling isn't completely awful.

They'll still be bad at it, but not just useless.

But the Grappler feat is still useless. Like, really, it's trash and doesn't help actual grappling. Tell them to drop it.

>>52322729
>>52322695
We get it you hate psionics

>>52325590
>>52325600
We all seem to be in agreement than. The nigger dwarves are far superior to whitey dwarves

>>52324910
In my setting, most bards are from the Colleges of Glamour or Lore.

The former are the most common, taught by nature spirits how to work magic through dance, song, and other forms of entertainment.

The College of Lore is found in the more civilized Empire, where they work for the government primarily as scholars and explorers.
In part because the Empire really wants to uncover the secrets of the former ancient civilization whose ruins dot the area, so they set up the College to research it. They also do work as orators and demagogues, inspiring people with talk of the empire's deeds.

>>52325617
I was thinking just tweaking it. It seems like pinning could quite easily be made fairly useful, if it placed the target at a significant disadvantage to escape. And having advantage on unarmed attacks is already fairly useful to a monk.

>>52325159
>>52325102
>+1 int +2 cha race on a rogue that only really neds dex and con
Rogue might be playing a swashbuckler
>+1 to all stats race on the most SAD class or +1+1 with feat on a class that doesn't really need feats
+1 in wis and a feat like observant amounts to +2 Wis and some extra stuff so the choice is hardly suboptimal.
>+2 int +1dex/+1con on a charisma-based caster
+2 int does help bards when it comes to skill-monkeying with int skills, and they could be going for a valour bard. It's not optimal, sure, but it's hardly hot garbage.
>+2 str +1 cha on the most stat-hungry class of all that only needs wis/dex/con and needs it BADLY
This is probably the only real issue with the party.

At the end of the day, they're not optimal builds but who gives a shit, if they have fun.
>>52325143
The goblin hideout in LMoP could kill pretty much any 1st level character (that isn't a barbarian). When I ran it I killed the party's war cleric, and she was the tankiest character there.

>>52325102
Monk is confirmed dead unless you baby them to a ridiculous degree

>>52324617
Depend on the build but Mystic doesn't really need any stat to function brah. You can be 8 INT Mystic just fine.

>>52325640
Doesnt have to be an elaborate goblin hideout. A goblin is pretty scary for a level 1 PC.

>>52325655
>Swashbuckler
Wow, +1 initiative. Why not just get dexterity instead for the same effect?
Also sounds like they might not be using non-PHB stuff anyway.

>Druid
Yeah, the druid is by far the most hopeful out of the lot. But for all we know they're just a normal human instead of feat human (Especially because it sounds like everybody gets a free feat since the dragonborn has one) which is probably the worst possible class for a normal human to be.

>Hardly hot garbage
I mean, even +2 dex would be better on a bard. Or +2 wis. Or +2 con. Sure, they get to be good at int skills, but... There's already a rogue with a +1 to int +2cha for skill monkeying. Don't really need two skill monkeys when the party's lacking in about every area. That said, I'll admit, it's not the worst it could be.

>Probably the only real issue
It's about 80% of the issue, to be honest. The others are just icing on the cake, but the monk is a big ball of fucked.

>>52325640
>The nigger dwarves are far superior to whitey dwarves

...? I thought both kinds of dwarves were niggers, and duergar were the only pale-ish types?

>>52325714
Did you respond to the wrong thing I'm talking about dwarven supremacy

>>52325584
The Death House in Curse of Strahd had a Cloak of Protection which gives +1 AC. Really, it depends on what the DM hands out.

>>52325739
No the real nigger dwarves. Gold dwarves

>>52325717
You really don't need to optimize character to get through LMoP

>>52325640
You haven't been told the reasons to go for the other one, yet.

Mountain dwarf's racial trait is effectively either:
+1 str over most races (So +2 con +1 str -> +2 con +2 str) OR medium armour proficiency.

Medium armour proficiency is great on something like a wizard considering they otherwise need two feats to get it, providing your DM disallows multiclassing for armour bullshit.

Except you also get +2 str and can then take the feat for heavy armour, so go you.

>>52325760
Generally, +AC items should be worth more than plate armour. Plate armour is a conditional +1 AC over splint mail which you can easily get but only those with 15 strength can wear effectively and those who use heavy armour (Mostly just fighters and paladins) can use effectively in the first place.

a +1 AC cloak can stack on top of plate armour and anyone can wear it, and it doesn't do shit like stealth disadvantage or 65lbs or anything.

Are there any particularly entertaining abuses of War Caster + Polearm Master?

>>52325760
>Really, it depends on what the DM hands out.

Not even a teensy tiny bit, its safe to say plate is far more common and available than protective items.

>>52325815
>implying wisdom characters need armor or strength

Casters can stop your shitty fighter in their tracks any day

>>52325819
http://www.sageadvice.eu/2015/09/19/war-caster-feat/

>>52325814
They optimized their character, though.

They optimized themself to be the most useless they could possibly be. The only way they can be any worse is if they go WOT4E.

>>52325845
This is about not playing a wisdom character.

If you want to play a wisdom character, why are you trying to argue wisdom versus not-wisdom???

>>52325869
So, you can use GFB/BB then.

>>52325869
That narrows it down to the still good use of Booming Blade at any rate.

>>52325890
GFB is kinda sucky with War Caster, but BB fits in all ways.

>>52325873
Because gold dwarf beats shitty shield any day

>>52325938
Lets do this already, everyone join and roll up a level 1 PC
https://app.roll20.net/join/2110145/mcmPPQ

>>52325972
I'm on my phone. I totally would though

>>52324910
Think of it like dancing, some people are pretty good and can just go with the flow but to do the really impressive stuff you're going to have to train.

>>52325985
>>52325972
>The arena crowd booes loudly.
>"Where are the fighters?", they shout angrily.

>>52325972
wait this is real? you are hosting an arena oneshot now? damn

>>52326035
Can we just all agree that those knife eared lily livered faggot elves are the real enemy

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>>52326051
>>52326050
come, show me your skills. The arena awaits you
https://app.roll20.net/join/2110145/mcmPPQ

Is there anything wrong with me refluffing a quarterstaff as a dagger? I was wanting to make a cool arcane trickster high elf, and needed a weapon that'd work with PAM, but also sneak attack.

>>52326128
Or you could have a quarter staff and daggers

>>52326083
If I wasn't so tired, I woudl.

>>52326128
>>52326133
why not test it in the arena

>>52326143
If he's going AT then he can't be level 1.

>>52326083
You nugger better be on in 2hs

>>52326128
>I want weapon to work with the BIG POLEARM WEAPON FEATURE as well as the PRECISE SNEAK ATTACK FEATURE and get the best of both worlds
That's not refluffing, you crudely shaved coconut. There are no finesse weapons available for PAM or GWM because those styles of fighting are meant to be incompatible.

>>52326170
nope, ill be gone in like 15 min if nobody joins

>>52326206
Give me like 30

>>52326206
Any requisites?
what's in? Whats not?
I wanna play.

>>52326188
Its fucking refluffing, dude. Totally harmless. Do you just hate fun or what?

>>52326128
>Is there anything wrong with me REFLUFFING a weapon to have FINESSE

No, of course not. All weapons now have finesse. Enjoy.

>>52326206
Can we be pussy faggots who play arokokra and fly away

>>52326224
Just roll up any old dnd 5E character at level 1 and you start out as a slave fighting in the arena, possibly (more than likely) versus other anons

>>52326233
Thank you. I'll let my DM know.

>>52326239
You can try to escape by flying, you might get shot down, but more than likely, starting out as an arena fighting slave, they have cut your wings

>>52326128
You don't need to refluff you just need to take a level of monk

>>52326246
Can I play a Mystic without being a faggot?
Inmortal, if it matters.

>>52326269
Any shit you want but if I don't know about it, you'll have to provide a modicum of evidence that it exists somewhere or is reasonable

>>52326232
>refluffing
>changing game mechanics
You're asking for something specifically prohibited in the phb, quraterstaffs don't have versatile for a reason.

>>52326287
The UA class mystic.
Also, array, points or 3d6?

>>52326267
Monk Weapons doesn't give weapons finesse, it allows you to use dexterity on attack and damage rolls even without finesse

>>52326306
any is fine, but if u gonna roll, do it in the roll20 app

>>52326307
The point is to have it be a very light weight quarterstaff made of metal, and dagger shaped.

What would you play starting at 5th level in a party of two War Clerics and a Revised Ranger?

>>52326334
Also, the length of a dagger. And throw on a crossguard for a bit of utility.

>>52326386
Paladin, beyond a doubt.

>>52326386
Wizard, sorcerer, ranged rogue, book/chainlock, lore bard, wu jen/awakened mystic if allowed

>>52326232
Refluffing is saying your maul is a huge tetsubo. Your Eldritch Blasts look like tiny divebombing faeries or flaming jack-o-lanterns. Your fighter's combat prowess is thanks to his clan's special runes he had tattooed on him.
What you're doing is trying to create a new weapon that has Finesse and can be used with Polearm Master, which is not only against game design (as nothing such can be used with that feat) but logical intention (the feat is about hitting people with the haft of your pole weapon and holding it out to keep people at bay)
Take a level in monk, wear no armor, and use a quarterstaff and suck your DM's dick to let you use "attacks with Dex" as "Finesse for Sneak Attack"

>>52326386
Honestly, I'd probably join the War Cleric bandwagon with a Holy Archer build.

>>52326307
http://www.sageadvice.eu/2014/09/24/monk-sneak-attack/

>>52326471
>mearls ruling

>>52326471
Doesn't even imply that it's RAI, just that he'd allow it as a GM as an off the cuff remark. I certainly doubt he'd go as far as to bless PAM quarterstaff sneak attacks

>>52326471
On the other hand: http://www.sageadvice.eu/2016/12/13/ua-monk-could-you-do-sneak-attack-with-kensei-weapon/

>>52325159
Weirdly, these are not unusual class picks. I had to do a double take to make sure the anon wasn't describing my party, we had a dragonborn monk (he died) and a tiefling rogue.

just fyi, there are 4 new products with ISBN from WOTC:

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the dates are: 20 Jun/18 Jul/19 Sep/17 Oct

>>52326739
We know.

>>52326764
sorry, just found out while checking the amazon website for the new character sheet things

>>52326471
>Mearls
>"I'd allow it"
not RAW, not an official ruling
this is literally an opinion

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>>52325647
The issue is that you can get the advantage just from shoving them prone.

Here's how it'd work at level 5:

Monk turn:
Attack > Grapple
Extra Attack > Shove Prone.
Bonus Action > Flurry of Blows at advantage.

Enemy turn, enemy can't get up because their speed is 0, and must attack the monk at a disadvantage.

Next monk turn:
Either continue attacking the current enemy, or go shove them off a precipice, or walk up to another enemy and repeat Grapple > Shove prone. Unarmed attacks don't require hands so they're fully able to flurry or attack normally while holding up to two enemies.

>new campaign where I know 4/5 players
>new player hasn't played before, want to,play a rogue
>a chaotic evil rogue

it went as expected

Stone sorcerer hill dwarfs are pretty cool

>>52322911
Hey I joined earlier today but there seems to be some problem, I can't find the game.

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>>52322564
Hey /5eg/

I feel like I have too many twists in my plot.

I'm going to have my PCs just kill a bandit camp in a very straightforward manner.

What's a shitty twist that I can throw at them to poke fun at the trope?

They aren't bandits! They're actually highwaymen!

>>52327685
It's not a bandit camp!

It's a camp bandit.

>>52327685
It's not a bandit camp.
It's a band of camp bandits.

>>52327685
In the leader's chest they'll find a letter of marque from one of the warring kingdoms, tied along with a map marked with a big honking X.
In the same drawer there are some gambling dice, a diary where he describes himself and his bandits in detail, and the kingdoms of the region.
You've found the campaign notes of the bandits'RPG.

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>>52327685
>>52327706
>>52327726
>A group of grandiose bards that play self referential music
>They also steal tents
>Yfw A Camp Bandit Bandit Camp Camp Band

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Alright /tg/, I presented your well-informed opinions to my player and now his dragonborn monk is a dragonborn barbarian. And if anything this fits his character better, so I'm considering it a win/win. Thanks. You did it, with your harsh, cruel words.

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>>52327856
>The Camp Bandit Bandit Camp Camp Band introduces themselves to the party
>The PCs look at each other briefly
>Party face shrugs
>"I say we kill them on principle."

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>>52323384
>current year
>using Skype
You're not really going to submit people to that, are you?

>>52327942
Now this, this actually makes sense. If he's ever forced to punch something, he can punch it for 1+STRMOD+Ragedamage

As a matter of fact, you do more damage punching as a barbarian at level 1 than a monk punching, on average. By +0.5.

>>52327856
>they're bandits because their music is censored by the king

>A Banned Camp Bandit Bandit Camp Camp Band

>>52322636
nice

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>>52328052
Fucking kek

How much deeper can we go

>>52327685
>We're good bandits! We steal from the rich and give to the poor! Our leader is a secretly a prince whose throne was stolen by his evil uncle!

When in reality, they're just assholes who like to steal.

>>52327964
Hearing this, the biggest of them jumps up and challenges your best fighter to single combat - as bandits, they're opposed to all form of nobility, death to principles!
>A Banned Camp Bandit Bandit Camp Camp Band Champ

So I've got a few questions about grappling, mostly because it seems like there's things you can do in a grapple that you couldn't in previous editions. Not that that's wholly wrong its just sometimes it throws me off a bit.

Is there any kind of difficulty to spellcasting while being grappled? I don't see anything and there may just not be. I know you need often 2 hands to cast a spell (one for somatic one for material/focus) but if you don't engage in the grapple and are simply being grappled it doesn't seem like there's anything to stop you from casting to your hearts content.

On the same note is there any weapon restriction in a grapple? This one drew my attention after one of our players decided to grapple a greatsword wielder, succeeded, and the greatsword wielder proceeded to draw his greatsword and full attack with it completely without penalty, which seemed odd to even picture. Again because he didn't engage in the grapple he had access to both hands and I can't really see anything stopping this from happening.

Now mind you I'm not saying grappling sucks or anything, it seems to still be quite useful and a lot easier to do than previously (and it's probably better that you can't just completely shut people down like before as well), it just seems odd that these things can occur and that sometimes completely ignoring a grapple is the best course of action you can take.

>>52328222
>The Banned Camp Bandit Bandit Camp Camp Band Champ in his rush to challenge the part trips and scrapes his shin
>It's alright, though, we can patch him up
>That makes him a Bandaged Banned Camp Bandit Bandit Camp Camp Band Champ

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>>52328264
>Upon defeat, he gifts you his most valuable possession
>his wedding band

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>>52328352
>The defeated and now Bandless Bandaged Banned Camp Bandit Bandit Camp Camp Band Champ retreats, taking with him the Banned Camp Bandit Bandit Camp Camp Band back to the Banned Camp Bandit Bandit Camp where he warns the Banned Camp Bandit Bandit Camp Commander of the coming party. The Banned Camp Bandit Bandit Camp Commander mulls this over for a moment before calling over Cammie, the Banned Camp Bandit Bandit Camp Commander's notoriously Bland Aide-De-Camp for advice

Any map makers or map collectors here? I need something that sort of fits. The description can be modified based on the map but the general look should be similar:

>They sought shelter in a low spot between surrounding hills, where tall boulders have rolled into a loose jumble. In fact, the surroundings offer no protection while making it easier for enemies to sneak up on the site.

>The trail leads to a more rugged region where steep-sided, rocky plateaus replace the gently rolling hills. The land between the plateaus is largely flat, broken only by outcroppings and wandering streams in steep-sided gullies. The plateaus jut 50-100 feet above their surroundings and are difficult to climb except where rock falls and subsidence created natural ramps. The crumbling sides of the plateaus are dotted with caves and tumbled boulder fields.

>>52328515
>With their champion defeated, the bandits are all now homeless.
>The party are victorious, and go home with their loot: the Bandless Bandaged Banned Camp Bandit Bandit Camp Camp Band Champ Tramp's band.

>>52328680
>>52328515
>>52328352
>>52328264
>>52328222
>>52327964
>>52327856
>>52327726
>>52327706
>>52327685
You'd better believe that these fuckers are showing up in my next campaign.

>>52328723
Looking forward to hearing about the Bandless Bandaged Banned Camp Bandit Bandit Camp Camp Band Champ Tramp's Band Land.

>>52323926
>Been assuming they just put a bunch of one shot old adventures in a book
>didn't realize, duh they made a single adventure using elements of these old adventures
good

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>Mithril Glaive, gaining the Finesse property and having its weight halved

Is this an ok magic item for a level 5? It's an Elven dex based Paladin, I wanted the Glaive to be a family heirloom

I imagine it to look like this

>>52323926

Can you tell me the recommended starting levels for each of the modules?

>>52322871
Yes you can, you're thinking of multiclassing rules which only apply when you multiclass. You mean you're stuck as that class.

>>52328651
anyone? pls :(

>>52328878
>finesse on a heavy weapon
>with reach
I mean, why?

>>52328878
Seems fine. It's only an average one point increase in damage over a rapier, at the cost of requiring two hands. You could probably make it +1 as well without breaking anything.

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>>52328980
Guy might have built a Dex paladin for shits and giggles.

>>52328862
Where are you getting that from?

>>52328878
>Finesse Polearm Two-Handed
Just fuck strength even harder, why don't you?

>>52328878
It's very powerful, because it allows them to use PAM which is by far the best feat for paladin.

>>52324174
>all these cursed items
Good shit

>>52329002
Dex-based GWM and PAM.
There's no reason whatsoever to boost Str anymore, unless you really want to be a Barbarian and need dem thews.

>Making a map within 20 minutes
>no capitalization, :(, 'pls' as part of the post requesting people pay attention to a 20 minute old post

I can only wish you luck.

>>52323217
I'm just starting to watch it because I like ProJared (even if he does play the same boring character constantly), but that Paladin is driving me slightly insane, does she ever stop trying to hog the spotlight with inane "muh characters so kewl muh mary sue" bullshit?

>>52329042
No anon.
Thas evil.

>>52328881
Sunless Citadel: 1st level
Forge of Fury: Starts at level 3 ends with characters at level 5.
Hidden Shrine: From level 5.
White Plume Mountain: From level 8.
Dead in Thay: Starts at level 9 and ends at level 11.
Against the Giants: Starts at level 11.
Tomb of Horrors: "Only high-level characters stand a chance of coming back alive, but every player who braves the Tomb will have the experience of a lifetime."

>>52329056
Anon already said this was a magic weapon for an Dex Paladin so they were never gonna boost strength anyway, and it's a one-off magic weapon tailored to that character. I don't see anything wrong with it.

>>52329059

I just need something very basic. Anything that barely fits the description is okay really.

I don't expect people to dash out amazing maps for a rando on /tg/

>>52329086
Where have they set all the ex-Greyhawk adventures? They're meant to be tales interdimensional adventurers told to the Yawning Portal's barkeep, yeah? Are they still set in GH?

>>52329101
Yeah it seems like the sort of thing that definitely shouldn't be officially released, but is probably fine for an individual character.
It's not like he built some PAM/GWM dex character with the intention of using a magic item that doesn't exist as far as he knows.

>>52329147
Which are these? I'm not familiar with any of the previous versions of these adventures.

>>52325406
>>52325551
You only benefit from Extra Attack on your turn.

>>52329101
>Dex Paladin so they were never gonna boost strength anyway
Great, but why should he have access to those feats then? He has other advantages instead.

>>52329016
That's what the table of contents looks like to me. But then the magic items all specify which chapter they come from, which has not been the case before. So I was probably more correct with my first understanding.

>>52329086

Awesome, thanks man. What a perfect crazy random happenstance that your can just go from one onto the next. Also nice to have something like Hidden Shrine for right after Lost Mines of Phandelver.

>>52329101
You're making the best weapon option for Paladins even better by arbitrarily assigning it the Finesse property; it's too strong mechanically, retardedly so.
To boot, PAM working with finesse would be kind of stupid, and GFW would make zero fucking sense within the dictates of reason.

Personally, I'd fellate my DM and let them mount me bareback post-session if they offered me that weapon, but it won't do balancing any favors in an actual game.

>>52329192
Fuck.
Might as well Pillar of Confidence instead, unless the party is full of Rogues.

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>>52329186
>>52329147
There is this. I'll look for more.

>>52329196
Accessing those feats costs just as much for him as anyone else. Anon already said the character was Elven, so no bonus feat there (not that the player would have known they were getting this weapon) so it will cost two ability score increases, and they're at level five now so that won't come online until 12th level, which in turn leaves them no more than 18 in Dex and no more than 15 in Cha up until level 16!

>>52329236
Have some pride, at least hold out for a Formula of Manual of Quickness of Action too.

>>52329268
The cursor is there because I don't really know how to remove EXIF, so I literally take a screenshot of the photo after I've taken it.

>>52324713
But it doesn't work on hostiles

>>52329274
The weapon invalidates the player's choices.
He CHOOSE to go Dex, with different advantages, giving him acces to the same old Str combat style would shit on that decision.
It's not particularly broken, just better than anything available ATM, and makes going Str (in a class that is Str based) a trap option.

If he does it anyway, it wouldn't matter much, but personally I don't like it.

>>52329308
Pretty sure 4chan strips exif data

>>52329236
You're talking about this weapon as if it were available just to buy at the start and create a build around, when it's actually in the context of a gift for a specific character in a specific game.

Sure, as starting gear it would represent an objectively optimal way to deal melee damage but to an Elven Paladin (already a suboptimal choice) receiving it at level 5, it represents one point more damage on average and 5ft more reach, for the price of -2 AC. A magic rapier+1 would be arguably better as in most situations the +5ft reach won't even come into play.

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>>52329147
>>52329268
The Sunless Citadel.

>>52329186
Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan, ToH, Against the Giants, White Plume Mountain.

>>52329396
"Cult of the Dragon"
"Thundertree"
"Erupted"
Sorry about the glare.

>>52328980
>>52329002
>>52329017
>>52329030

Well assuming they take pam, they'd be doing 1d10+3 x 2 + 1d4+3 (+6 to hit max 33 min 12, with GWF) vs a rapier and shield without pam doing 1d8+6 (+7 to hit Max 28 min 14 dex 18, Dueling), whilst getting all the benefits of higher dex + a shield, also they'd be entitled to a magic weapon so if they picked a +1 rapier it's even better

>>52329391
He probably has Dex 18 right now, PAM at level 8, Sentinel at 12, and he's as optimal as can be.
He might lose his fighting style, if he went Duel or Prot.

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>>52329408
Hidden Shrine.

>>52329396
Man, they're not even throwing a bone to the Athas players any more, are they?