Warhammer 40k General

>>52321760
Bishonen ork always gets me.

People are going to burn thier armies and sell them for cheap. Be ready!

Age of the Primarchs!
Female Marines!
Boobless Slaaanesh models!
Not! Stormcast Numarines!

Be ready my lovely anons for at least a year of constant shit!

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>>52323716
Try harder.

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If you take a formation and a CAD from the same codex in one army can the units from the formation start the game embarked in non-dedicated transport vehicles from the CAD and vice versa ?

In my case it would be: can I take an Aquila Kill Team formation from the Deathwatch codex and put them inside a Drop Pod bought in a CAD as a Fast Attack unit from the same codex ?

>>52323757
Yes they can, Same Faction detachments ignore the FAQ about not being able to embark in BB transports

>>52323927
>Ignore FAQ

Might as well forge the narrative!

>>52323990
I meant that there's an additional FAQ entry saying that models from the same Faction can start the game embarked on another detachment veichle, while normal Battle Brothers can't.
How about you go and actually read the rules before making stupid jokes?

>>52324067
Why read the rules now, when Age of the Primarch is around the corner?

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Hi guys, from the Horus Heresy novels I've already read "A Thousand Sons" and "Betrayer" and I really liked both.

Prolem is I don't know wich onw I could read now, I'm tempted by one of the following:
>Prospero Burns
>The Master of Mankind
>Angel Exterminatus
>Legion

What do you say?

Btw I'm also tempted by "Hellsreach" even though is not part of the HH.

>>52324216
Read Prospero Burns. Legion and MoM were dogshit. Angel is just meh.

Fuck me, there is 4 40K generals up. Are you cunts illiterate or some shit.

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>>52324149

>>52324346
We are imploding with Age of the Emperor

>>52323716
>Boobless Slaaanesh models!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>52323927
Thanks, will probably post my list soon in that case.

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>>52321760
>tfw haven't played the shitshow known as sixth or seventh edition
>mfw looking forward to assault armies just as it was in fourth

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>>52321760
Honestly 8th edition is sounding alright for Nids

>movement as a stat, no longer does EVERY army have fleet and or run
>fixing LD so it isn't just nonspessmareens that lose units when morale is failed
>a new codex this year that isn't written by cruddace or that retard chaos player that tried to fix nids by writing out this cringey neckbeard warp table that sucked.

>>52325016
Spess Muhreens will still gonna ignore it with their cheap ATSKNF

>>52325016
>fixing Ld
They'll actually have to make some pretty big changes to Ld values across the board.

Take Kataphron Servitors (or any similar model) for example. They're 3 models per unit at Ld8. If they lose 1 or 2 models, they'd have to make a morale save, which would be 1d6+1/2. They literally would be unable to fail morale that way.

>>52321760
>>52321840
That Tau girl is waifu material.

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>>52325155
Some units need to be done away with, just as the carnifex was done away with for three editions now.

You'll get used to it. For progress.

>>52325214
No one cares about NPC races anymore.

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>>52325229
No one cares about straight white males in power armor anymore.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BceinBiT9jQ

>That scythe at the end

¿Mortarion confirmed? Also the models look pretty cool.

>>52325214
>some units
>literally every unit with 3 models and Ld 8 can never break morale
>Ld 7 only ever breaks morale if 2/3 die and you roll a 6

Welp, time to remove Tyranid Warriors and Shrikes from the game as well! About time!

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>>52325257
Yes

>>52325257
The fact that they only show the scythe alone likely means that it is indeed Mortarion

>>52325289
It's amazing isn't it ? GW doesn't even have to do anything, all the armies and units that don't matter basically squat themselves !

>Hoping that the details will make sure it isn't as bad as it sounds right now.

>>52325305
You seem to have pics of the actual model, or at least something pretty similar, can you post them?

>>52325350
It was a leak from like 2 months ago that was never entirely debunked. Just google Mortarion Leak. There's no better pictures of it than this.

>>52321760
How much time do we have until 8th? Someone last thread said around June.

I gotta play as much as I can before I lose all my army lists. I'm excited and also butt hurt for 8th. I worked hard understanding 7th the past few months, dropping a lot of money and I just finally bought my rules books yesterday. I gotta get my moneys worth. Time to play 2 times a week.

>>52325350
those are months old leaks and the image from the video released by GW last night

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>>52325289
>Haven't seen a warrior on the tabletop since fifth
>haven't seen a shrike on the tabletop

They were already removed.
Let me spell it out for you. Not every unit comes out ahead in the new editions. Your cataclysms (don't let Blizz know you stole their name) are going to be like carnifexes were in the last 3 editions.

>>52324598
But Slaanesh models are boobles since 4th ed. Only Exeption is FW KoS.

>>52325390
How is Carnifexes being nerfed to absolute shit related to Kataphrons and units with similar constellations (such as Centurions, Incubi, Windriders and several others) and Leadership values breaking the way the new morale works if they don't change the new standard for Leadership?

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>>52325257
>>52325305
Magnus got one, now Moration...

ANGRON MODEL FUCKING WHEN, I NEED IT

>>52325454
The current ones aren't boobless, they're mono-boobed, It's an important distinction.

>>52325489
Next big guy will be one of the Loyalists, then maybe Angron.
Wouldn't expect him before Winter 2017.

>>52325454
... Somehow you didn't notice daemonette's have gone monoboob, and seekers have a whole row of tits ?

>>52325489
>Daemon Angron described as being around the same size as a warhound titan
>getting a model

Muh dick.

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>>52325457
You'll expect these obvious fixes and not blatant sabotage which will turn your army into a meme.

This way you have to buy more models.

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>>52325599
>all 3-model units being set to Ld 4-6
Are you working at GW or something?

>>52325501
>>52325544
Fulgrim is next.
GW stated in a livestream that the factions mentioned in detail and/or in the side blurbs in the Gathering Storm books will be updated within 2 years. Fulgrim is mentioned in a side blurb in GS 2 and is also said to be getting off his throne to finally kill Guilliman in GS3.

I would happily re-do my entire 1,500 point Sisters of Battle army that I only bought over the last three months in plastic if GW released the models along with 8 th edition. Possibly in a starter set.
>snap fit plastic molds of the original '97 models

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Ok, trying DW as a standalone army.

>Watch Master, Artemis and Termies ride in the Land Raider

>Drop pods come down, blast with an alpha strike

>all kill teams come in turn two and onward and use the beacons from the drop pods to avoid scattering when possible

>>52324346
Literal retards that can't accept change of any sort

>>52325637
>factions mentioned in detail and/or in the side blurbs in the Gathering Storm books will be updated within 2 years
Anyone got a list of said factions?

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>>52325256
The Age of men is Over!

Potential new rules for new edition for 40k!!!

Command Points: There is a desire to reward players for building thematic armies – “re-rolls and cool faction rules as a reward”
>Movement Phase: The Movement Stat returns! Goodbye generic movement.
>No more unit types.
>Shooting: Armor Save modifiers return.
>Assault Phase: A shift to Charging units fighting first, instead of Initiative based. A desire to reward successful charges.
>Morale: Desire for Ld. stat to matter. Testing out the Age of Sigmar Battleshock Test mechanic.

>>52325733
The advance of leviathan into sol was mentioned
That's all i cared about desu

>>52325767
Maybe Straken will be worth taking in 8th edition. I miss his usefulness from 5th edition.

The thing that worries me the most about the changes are the morale changes. I've been really enjoying my Priests and Commissars making sure I stay in the fight.

>>52325733
Slaanesh was a big one
Death Guard and Mortarion were mentioned in GS3
Nids are fucking up Baal HARD.
Orks were briefly mentioned i think but nothing as substantial.

>>52325695
>aquilla team
>Bike
why?

also, for fucks sake, buy some melta/frag cannons

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Lol.

>>52325637
>factions mentioned in detail and/or in the side blurbs in the Gathering Storm books will be updated within 2 years

So we're getting Kaptain Baddruk (Orks) vs Catachans (Guard)...

NEW CATACHAN MODELS CONFIRMED

So should we expect more news out of adepticon this weekend or did they blow their load?

What's confirmed for Age of Guilliman so far?

Are we dead?

>>52325825
That would mean SoB are getting new models.

We know that is impossible.

>>52325823
???

>>52325859
We know for sure that Death Guard are coming.

That's it. Absolutely nothing else was 100% confirmed yet and every single one of their rules ideas are still in development and might or might not be implemented.

>>52325809
>why?
Split fire and skilled rider. Split fire so when there's a vehicle in range the frag cannons can fire at it while the bolters can focus on infantry. Skilled rider is a bonus and will let them auto-pass dangerous terrain if I have to DS away from the beacons.

>also, for fucks sake, buy some melta/frag cannons
There are already frag cannons there and getting melta guns will hike up the price of the vets. With DW you need to get the most out of your bolters and stuff you get for "free" on the unit, including the lascannons on the Land Raider.

>>52325823
Fuck you, the wolf-chariot is top tier.
The rest is horrid shit though.

>>52325823

Yep... at this point I'm hoping for AoE so I can wash my hands of this shit.

Looking at Rowboat and Titchest, I sure can't wait playing Xenos in a 40k where Chaos and Imperium get not one, but several, of these choices

Herohammer a shit

Calling it now; charging models striking first is negated by charging through cover (without assault grenades) or unwieldy weapons, which put you back on normal initiative.

Which means marine power fists and axes become godly, while ork power klaws still only get to go after they are already dead (and now even mega armour doesn't help, because marine unwieldy weapons go first anyway and armour save modifiers mean 2+ saves are even worse than they are now).

>>52325878
Anon if they are selling 8th in June, and with how retaraded printing is done in the UK they must be printing at the end of the month.

So those rules are already set in stone.

>>52325891
But anon, this is just beginning.

>>52325905
But Ynnari have Ynnead and Eldar have the Avatar of Khaine
Nids have the Swarmlord
Orkz have Ghazgul!

:^)

>>52325860
Nope sorry. Guard are more important and Cadians got squated.

Tho I'd love an Orphans of the Storm box. Which would be a mix of Cadian/Scions/Solar Auxilia

Basically a troop box for a fleet based guard units. Vac suits, etc.

>>52325929
>any of those
>on the level of Rowboat "I'm worth twice my points" Guilliman

>>52325859
The grognards were dealt a killing blow, they lost fantasy and now 40k. The future looks bright for the rest of us

>>52325927

That's what terrifies me.

Also that for ever 5 steaming piles of shit there's always one gem that strings me along, the new Death Guard look good...

>>52325945
This is good bait

Pretending to like AoS is the hottest meme on the market right now

>>52325937
To be fair, Ghazzy will most likely ascend to that level when he does get updated.

>>52325859

ap value is now -armor value, like AoS
leadership is now battleshock, like AoS
Movement is a stat
"rewards for thematic armies" - honestly I think they're going to port the keyword system over from AoS

Their presentation had anime style drawings of guilliman and magnus. Not over the top anime, lookin like some cowboy bebop shit. Still very different from the grimdark style.

>>52325954
Oh I'm not pretending at all my groggy friend. AoS is a great game, and I even played whfb

>>52325637

What a fucking weapon

>>52325966
Meme points just keep coming

>>52325881
>and once a year, on Sanguinala, Logan Paws rides his Wolf Sleigh and delivers presents to all the good little boys and girls of the Imperium.

>>52325859
Yes, also:

1) Female marines.
2) New super-marines crafted by Guilliman and AdMech.
3) Fulgrim becomes loyalist again.
4) Slaanesh is either dead or becomes a good guy.
5) Khan and the Scars turn traitor.
6) The last alliance of elves and men (and Tau).
7) Guilliman drops the xenophobic attitude of the Imperium, and Terra becomes a center of diplomacy and cultural exchange between different alien species. (Except for necrons.)
8) All the evil guys, Necrons, Orcs and Chaos, ally together against the forces of good.
9) The church is disbanded due to being too grimdark and xenophobic. SoBs are squatted. They are superfluous due to female marines, and frankly misogynist fetish bait.

>>52325823
Shit triggers me the most is that fucking baby carrier. I could swear it's the only thing that keep me away from GK.
Damn it I wish I was good at conversion.

>>52325996
>this much shitposting bait in a single post
Anon, for as much of a faggot you are, you shouldn't risk being killed by all this cancer.

>>52325859
Movement is now a stat just like early 40k and they say they're completely getting rid of the concept of unit types and every unit will have its own special rules instead of having universal special rules in the main rulebook also just like early 40k.

AP system is moving over to a negative modifier system just like early 40k

>>52325996

I was dubious when reading this... but when you said the SoB even got a mention I knew it was fake.

>>52325955

ghazzy will be a 700 pt walker that lets boyz re-roll leadership within 6'', but if they still fail he kills them.

>>52326011
Movement as a stat is a good thing, so is the fantasy style AP system because the old was just stupid.

But chargers go first? What the fuck? And AoS shitty, shitty morale? Stop.

>>52325880
The whole team has to deploy as one unit, so you lose a lot of the benifits of being a bike. you take fag cannon on the drop squad, along with taking a second bolter to keep your SIA. tat way, when you DS 2 inches behind the enamy, you have the double shot assult lascannons, whislt retaining the SIA.

>>52325996
>Imperium and Nids are now working together against crons and orks.
Fucking finally.

>>52325823
All of these models can look good with a little love and care, centurions look great if you extend the legs a bit, dreadknights look fab if you replace the baby carrier with the front of a BA librarian Dreadnought, even the lord of skulls looks fab if you turn it into a Kytan.

>>52325956
>Their presentation had anime style drawings of guilliman and magnus. Not over the top anime, lookin like some cowboy bebop shit. Still very different from the grimdark style.
First of all I will be needing pictures, second will we finally have the 40k anime we've always dreamed of?

>>52326016
no Ghaz will be MC.
New Swarmlord will be walker.

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>>52326024
I'd love if cover became To Hit modifers similar to WHFB

>>52325825
God new catachans would be ace, I don't even care, I would literally re-buy my whole fucking army to get rid of those old fucking models.

>>52326008
You call this cancerous shitpost.
GW will call it brilliant idea.

>>52326067
Yeah, that'd be great too

Never liked the one save only system, it makes combat a lot less tactical for most factions as cover is more or less useless outside very specific situations.

>>52326071
I hated the gun-arm assembly of them. Pain in the butt

>>52326056
FUCK ME!
PLEASE TELL ME THAT'S FAKE!

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>>52326046
There you go anon.

>>52326056
That's not particularly anime, looks more light hearted and cartoons though.

>>52326097

nah bruh. Real as they come. I hear 8th edition marines are gonna be real sugoi.

>>52326067
>Cover as a modifier To Hit
>Invuln as protection from armour save reduction (preventing he "Rend" equivalent)
>1 save that takes into account everything instead of "choose the best applicable"
I can dream

>>52326056

> That artwork.

40K is dead.

>>52326080
Cover is usually either useless or a modifiable Invuln save.

It's absolutely retarded.

>>52326027
>The whole team has to deploy as one unit
Yes, that's the point. That's how the Kill Team gets the split fire and skilled rider rues.

>you take fag cannon on the drop squad
I need the split fire so that the bolters don't sit around with thumbs up their assess when the cannon fires at vehicles

>along with taking a second bolter to keep your SIA.
The what ?

>tat way, when you DS 2 inches behind the enamy, you have the double shot assult lascannons, whislt retaining the SIA.
Spellcheck man. The cannon drops in with it's team and either shoots at a vehicle with split fire or helps wiping out infantry/MCs with the rest of the team.

>>52326097
nope, its been known that they were going to do this for months now, its not even that big a deal, considering that 40k has trash rules anyway. Bloat is just as bad as 4 pages of rules.

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>>52321760
>Saves are modified by S
>mfw auto cannons will flat out reduce teq, riptides and all 2+ saves to 6+
>mfw auto cannons are basically ap3 now
>mfw auto cannons out range scatter lasers
>mfw when even monstrous creatures will die to mass auto cannons
What a day to be a guard

>>52326056
Kek.

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>>52326097
What is wrong with comical presentation behind closed doors?

>>52326138
>Saves are modified by S
>What a day to be a guard
>S3 lasguns
+1 to all armor saves ?

>>52326114
Love it.

How would it work on armourless units that rely on invulnerable (Daemons)

Assuming it would be something like a 5+ save and ignoring the first two points of Armour Rend

>>52325966

I kinda agree.

last time I played a friendly game with friends we used 6e rules (didn't have any 7e on hand), and one turn took a pretty long time. At one point, one player had to up and leave because they had priorities in the morning.

So that said I welcome more simplified rules and faster, streamlined gameplay.

They're not 100% completely rebooting the setting so that's good. Cadia got fucked but lmao, a planet dying in 40k is just a Tuesday.

What I am thinking fluffwise is that Ultramar will be the Eastern Roman Empire and the Imperium of Man will be the Western Roman Empire. Or something like that.

What should I get for my space marines next? I've got 1 rhino, 2 5-man assault squads, 2 10-man tactical squads, a captain, command squad, and that's it.

>>52325975
Hello grognard my old friend, I've come to laugh at you again, because the 40k rules changing, and is making it worth playing, but not for you cause your stuck living in the past, and that won't last, within the age of emprah

>>52326114
>each point of cover = -1 to hit
>each point of invul = +1 to armor save for the purposes of calculating penetration

>for example: Joe the Terminator is standing behind a chest high wall, giving him Cover 1, and is wearing Terminator Armor, giving him Invulnerable 2 and Armor Save 2+. Joe gets shot by a Lascannon with Armor Penetration 4 held by a Space Marine with BS4. Due to the cover, the Space Marine hits Joe on 4+ instead of 3+, and Joe saves the hit on a 4+.

Rate my made-in-three-minutes system

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>>52326156
That looks like Eagle Ordinary ?

>>52325859
Ultracast Ultraternal Ultrasworn Ultraveterans wielding Ultrabolters with Ultronium Rounds and Ultraswords with Blessings of The Ultrassaiah, riding Ultrabikes under Ultrabanner of the Ultrarch in Ultra Formation

>>52326185
A step backward. I too complain about how barebones the system is and would wish for more strategy but this give me flashbacks to the old Warzone with every shooting being a math phase. It's not hard and will take only a few moments but it will stack and slow down the games, especially with the amount of units on the table in the current meta.

>>52326138
What about our blobs though? Will Commissars still prevent massive losses?

>>52326200
You think you're meme'ing, but that's just Space Wolf/10

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>>52326190
Bingo.
See:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/09/in-which-andy-makes-bold-claims-about-his-hobby-ambitions-for-2017/

>>52326200
you forgot your little girl anime image

>>52326200
No match for the Khornate Khorneborne Khorne Berzerkers armed with Khorneaxes and Khornelaunchers with the Khornemark, mounted on Khornesteeds under the Khornebanner of Khorne in a Khornehost formation

>>52326185
Just make Inv a unmodifiable save, then slap a hard cap on it.
4++ being the best non-uniques can get.

>>52326126
you swap your pistols for bolters for free
you then take 4 frag cannons this is for the pod squds who dont have bikes at all
Split fire is not worth the points for a bike, and skilled rider isnt confried to the unit.

>>52326182
>and is making it worth playing
You mean allegeance system or double turns mechanic?

>>52325859
AoS managed to make WHFB profitable again, so they're doing the same to 40k. Not really surprising, but still disappointing. A lot of the AoS-style mechanics are complete downgrades from the current system, even if the current system does need fixing. For example, having unique rules on every datacard means that the number of total special rules in the game will balloon. Sure, you can see all the rules on that datasheet, but it's not like you couldn't make yourself a cheat-sheet for current USR's and datasheets.

>>52326185
GW is trying to make the game easier, not more complicated.

>>52326257
Easier isn't always better

>guardsman joe hits a gretchin on 4+ and wounds on 4+
>guardsman joe also hits a daemon prince of slaanesh on 4+ and wounds on 4+

>>52326270
>Easier isn't always better
Yes, so what?

God no don't bring back modifiers to the to hit rolls for shooting. It's fucking painful. I remember almost every shooting phase in WHFB boiled down to having to roll all 5s and 6s to hit and wound anything.

>>52326226
Blood angles did it first.

Wolves used to be *fang and *claw shit with only the belt, helm and priest being wolfy.

Who wants to bet minimum squad sizes get bumped up to make Battleshock more chunky and to force people to buy more models.

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>>52326016
You shut your dirty mouth! He will be the bestest evar and orks will win everything!

...Right?

>>52326270
But Anon, the Daemon Prince of Slaanesh also has the Bewitching Aura special rule that gives enemies -1 to Hit rolls and the Monstrous Form special rule which gives the enemy -1 to Wound rolls.

Such simple, much easy.

>>52326132
Rules? Fluff edition by edition is getting worse.

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Is this list friendly enough for a local league? I know the firebase support cadre is a bit strong, but I wanted an answer to armour while being fluffy.

>>52326280
And yet shooting heavy armies were still a healthy part of the meta (at least until GW started going full retard with hordes of dudes and 4+ to fuck a unit spells).

>>52326310
>guardsman joe hits a gretchin on 4+ and wounds on 4+
>guardsman joe also hits a veteran of the long war chaos space marine terminator on 4+ and wounds on 4+

>>52325823
Needs an uncoverted Taurox

So is Age of Guilliman going to gather all humans souls and reforge them under the banner of Order to wage war against the forces of Chaos, Destruction, and Death?

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>>52326310
Fuck off GW
Don't rui the hobby
Decluttering rules does not mean remove all rules

>>52326310
>make a system for the purpose of it being as simple as possible

>bog it down with special rules specific to each unit

Why is this better than a super simple str vs t and ws vs ws table you can learn in two minutes?

>>52326323
That's entirely dependent on the local league. My local group has Flying Circus Daemons, a couple dedicated Gladius players, an IG/Castellans summon-spam build, and a couple assorted Eldar and Tau players. Your list would get stomped hard in my "casual" meta.

>>52326355
Too late friend.

>>52326340
>REEEEE HOW DARE WARGAME RULES BE ABSTRACTIONS LIKE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW!

>>52326356
Looks like the new target audience is 5-year-olds

>>52326340
Chaos Space Marine Terminator had a 2+ save as well as 3-4 wounds to indicate how bulky and protective his armor is, as well as a special rule that reduces to-wound rolls by shooting by 1. Shit checks out.

Wait until the AoS fags turn up and try and explain the tactical depth of double turns.

>>52326240
>you swap your pistols for bolters for free
There are no pistols. If you mean your chainswords I'm waiting for the next FAQ to clarify the matter of the shotguns and special weapons. I don't want to assemble vets with special weapons or heavy weapons and bolters just for them to say that you can't have both on a model like they did with the shotguns - I had to put those on the shelf since I don't want to disassemble them.
>you then take 4 frag cannons this is for the pod squds who dont have bikes at all
You don't want to do that. That's 22 points per model plus 100 points for the cannons, barebones, on models with T4 and a 3+ save. Each wound hurts like hell and it's too easy to wipe them all out in one shooting. If you can split fire then you want to divide those cannons to protect them since you do not have to focus fire with the squad like you would with say Devastators.
>Split fire is not worth the points for a bike,
Disagreed.
>and skilled rider isnt confried to the unit.
It is, check the rule.

>>52326387
You see, war is random.

>>52326356
>>52326340
That was supposed to be sarcastic. Shitmar's "every unit needs a bunch of unique rules" actually makes things more complex overall, it just cuts down on the amount of reading "necessary" to start playing the game.

The real issue with 7E USR's is that too many don't really do anything and too many factions resort to making their own super special versions of rules that already exist (Reanimation Protocols versus Feel no Pain, Warpflame versus Soul Blaze, like half the Eldar codex, etc).

>>52326387
>reduces benefit of going first by making you need to worry about the opponent winning the roll-off

I'm not even an AOS-fag

>>52326368
>right now
>guardsman joe hits a gretchin on 3+ and wounds on 3+
>guardsman joe hits a veteran of the long war chaos space marine terminator on 5+ and wounds on 5+

>>52326285
I was going for names names, not aesthetics

Blood Angels don't have Bloodguards, led by a Blood Lord wielding Blood Claws, riding a Thunderblood, accompanied by two Bloods, while in the sky Stormbloods shoot down enemy fliers.

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>>52326243
>Seventh was the epitome of warhammer

Try again, Groggy.

>aosfags have resorted to posting smug anime girls and insults

We won grogbros

Alright, after further research the Adepticon Titanicus event is not GW-sanctioned and uses converted Epic rules.

>>52326415

You clearly are though anon because no sane person would ever think a turn based game that allows a player to have two turns in a row is good.

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if space marines are getting space marine marines then does that mean chaos space marines are going to get chaos space marine marines?

maybe one of the baddy primarchs will make them?

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Cans someone measure their SM Rhino and tell me exactly how many millimeters wide and deep the footprint is?

>>52326425
Their dreads have bloodclaws, their flier shoots bloodstrike missiles and their librarians shoot blood lances.

>>52326438
No, everyone lost.

>>52326418
Most of that just got shunted to saves and wounds. I preferred strength vs toughness for damage, but Weapon Skill at the very least was a really dumb chart and needed either rework, or, in this case, getting dumped.

>>52326387
Malifaux fag here, its not that it adds tons of tactical depth, but it requires you to take risks, which can create more interesting games. Do you do the thing that could win you the game, as long as you get the initiative, but could destroy you if you lose, or do you do the safe thing?

>>52326453
WS should've worked like S vs T

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>>52326056
What's that trygon supposed to mean?

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>>52326438

I YIELD

>>52326464
That GW hasn't forgotten about tyranids I hope

>>52326464
Take any models from your collection :^)

>>52326387
Because 40k as it is now has sooooooo much tactical depth. Fuck off grognard, you lost

>>52326138
And Iron Warriors hue

Guard and Iron Warrior Autocannon Alliance when?

>>52326450

~125x80 is you go fromt track to rear-hatch teeth and exhaust casing to exhaust casing.

>>52326451
Still less blood than wolves.

>>52326451
>Their dreads have bloodclaws
Valid

>their flier shoots bloodstrike missiles
In 5e, 7e they have stormstrike missiles. Like regular marines

>and their librarians shoot blood lances.
And rune priests summon the jaws of the world WOLF.

But yes, GW sucks at naming.

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>>52326438
Watching that groggy get BTFO by the sound of silence was a solid victory. You're just reeling from the blow.

>>52326495
DG do it better, asallways.

>>52326501
Thank you bro

>>52326505
Didn't say wolves are better, just that Bangles started it.

>>52326444
>No sane person would ever think a turn based game that allows a player to have two turns in a row is good

I mean I don't really like MTG but I don't think everyone who likes it is insane.

>>52326453
Weapon Skill and Ballistic Skill both needed heavily reworked. They should have made a single, universal "target roll chart" that each characteristic rolled against. WS against enemy WS, Strength against Toughness, and BS against a static number with modifiers for things like distance and size.

>>52326487

I didn't say 40K was good.

But AoS is definitely shit.

>>52326515
NO ONE CARES ABOUT DG

IRON WARRIORS 4 LYFE

>>52326056
Is that girlyman and angron having angry sex?

>>52326464
Thats a fucking mawloc why can't anyone make the effort to tell apart

>>52326556
Magnus, not Angron. But probably.

>>52326487
>Because 40k as it is now has sooooooo much tactical depth.
What's yopur point? The fact that 40k 7th edition is shit doesn't makes another shit better

>>52325945
>GW cuck detected
>The future looks bright for the rest of us
And emptier too.

Am I the only one who is happy about these changes?

>>52326546
They're about the same rules wise to be honest, both have trash mechanics, the only difference is that 40k fluff is a treasure trove of amazing grimdark mixed with bullshit grimderp, while AoS fluff is just saturday morning cartoon trash.

About the only thing that they could do to 40k to make it worse is make it literally unplayable. And I do mean literally.

>>52326576
No, plenty of people live with autism

>>52326562
It's the only way Rowboat can purify Magnus

>>52326558
Because nids haven't been relevant in years?

>>52326589
Ah, being 12 was such a blissful life

>>52326595
That or Fulgrim has finally won.

>>52326576
You'll find good company with the shitposters.

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>>52326482
>Warriors get ID because spessmareen players are fags
>Zo's get shot to shit
>Tervigons can't kill anything and always roll doubles
>All iterations of carnifex are Cruddaced
>Trygons can't charge after they DS and get powerfisted
>Genestealers 5+ save and move as fast as spacemarines
>Tyrannofex BS 3 one shot
>Doom of malantai, gone
>Parasite of Mortrex, removed
>Old one eye can't regen wounds better than space marines for some reason
>No psychic powers outside bug stuff
Oh me oh my seventh sure was fun.

>>52326576
Honestly, AOS-ing 40k, slashing it and cutting it down to size, gives them the freedom to build it back up later when they start seeing things not work right instead of just adding to the monstrous cancerous bloat like they were doing.

It's probably a good thing in the long run even if, early on, it will likely feel less than great.

Now that 40K is dead what other scifi wargame should I play?

Did new Deep Strike rules force you to drop your model from hight to see where it landed?

>>52326615
Fuck those shitposters. I enjoy AoS so I reckon I will enjoy this. It's shocking that people have preferences isn't is?!

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>>52326418
>I don't know what I'm being told
>it's not like the words in peoples sentences matter
>My autism will set me free of reality and discourse
>3+ to hit gretchins and 5+ to hit terminators being abstractions designed to create differing powerlevels doesn't matter, clearly they did that because hitting a man the size of a car is much much harder than hitting a tiny goblin
>It's not like they could be using another mechanism to make models distinct

>>52326415
>you need to worry about the opponent winning the roll-off
>and forcing you to play carreful as possible everywhere except then your army are objectively better than your opponent
And where exactly tactical depth since it's turns all fast and riskue tactic into 100% random?

>>52326622
Age of the Primarch

>>52326067
>Ork shooting become utterly pointless.

Yeah, seems about right.

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>>52326615
>Age of speshmureens and elf fags is ending
>drawing pokemon cards mid battle is fun
>being this salty

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Dark Eldar codex no longer available!

Can someone tell me where the tactical depth is in finding out what you hit on with your weapon skill and ballistic skill? Does finding out that your bs means that you hit on 3s really that tactical?

>>52326630
>I think it's equally hard to hit a mentally retarded midget as it is to hit a 10,000 years old veteran of war actively trying to defend himself
>I think a system that has a set roll to hit and wound that is modifier by a bazillion model-specific special rules is better than a system that compares two values on a table that takes two minutes to memorize

>>52326658
Last Chance! before they get squatted.

>>52326182
And the neckbeards still would pay,
For the new toys GW had made,
And the boards continued storming,
With the rules they were mourning,
But the nerds bought the primarchs even though they were so tall,
New rules and all,
They ushered in the Age of Emprah

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>>52326618

>waaaah space marines

wew

>>52326656
>>Age of speshmureens and elf fags is ending
>Age of Guilliman
>>speshmureens
>ending

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>>52326586
You mean you are not absorbed in the epic lorebuilding?

>>52326576
Most people are happy. 4chan is full of degenerates remember, most 40k players don't even browse here

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>>52326589

>>52326658
Tau codex is sold out in the us...deldar still available

>>52326656
>Waaah I don't like Space Marines look at me
>I can only play maelstrom missions
>Anime

>>52326697
I don't even hate it like most faggots on /tg/, its just so...bland.

>>52326666
Sick strawman.

>>52326630
We've already covered why replacing a simple, easily memorized chart with a shit-ton of model-specific rules is a net increase in complexity.

>>52326622
I'm sure we'll get, initially at least, some 7.5 and 8E fanbrews to tinker with, and it's not like our 7E codexes are going to spontaneously combust.

>>52326685
If you are referring to the former IP known as "Space Marines" I'm afriad that game has been concluded.
However please enjoy collecting the all new Ultrastartes Guillimarines for our new IP and compatible with our existing rules set!

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>>52326710
>>52326685

>So very salty
The future's looking bright.

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The Defiler is my Warlord thanks to being a character and shit from alpha. Do you think this list would be good for a fucking around game? Whats the stupidest "fun" gimmick list for CSM, Daemons or a combination of the two within 850 points?

>>52326767
>that many vehicles at 850

You're a dick, anon

>>52325804
>straken
Catachan will die to ork pirates m8

>>52326676
>This guy doesn't respect my 3+ tactical armor saves!
>Could it be that all this time people were snickering sardonically when I told them I outplayed them using tactics?
top lel

>>52326668
>I don't understand how a large, sluggish thing could be harder to hit than a goblin on PCP
>I don't understand that sigmar doesn't have a billion special rules to help create an absraction of skill and power, but rather the same special rules with different names providing negative and positive modifications of 1 and 2 to different rolls, if not just high wounds.
>I'm so autistic that the simple concept that it could change from a comparative abstraction to a static, much easier to remember abstraction that very rarely changes is personally offensive
>I'm so fucking autistic that I pretend to not understand any of this, or I'm so autistic that I'm actually incapable of understanding this because I can't get over the ennui of change in things I use to replace my personality

>>52326781
Well to get the defiler to be my warlord was my goal and there's no other way to do it.
Maybe you are right though, i don't think my opponent is likely to take much anti-vehicle unless i warn them first and that ruins the surprise of "Defiler with Chaos Boons". Do you have any suggestions on some other gimmicky list?

>>52326618
>Warriors get ID because spessmareen players are fags

Marines S8+ is what? Lascannons, Missile Launchers, Multi-meltas, Meltaguns, and Demolisher Cannons?

You seriously bitching about those when this is Grav and D edition?

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>>52326758
Me right now

>>52326796
>things that have no reason to be changed should be changed anyway for the sake of change
>I'm too simple to memorize a self explanatory table that is used for every single wound interaction in the game

>>52326649
Waaagh! Shooting
>Orks ignore all To Hit modifiers
So they always hit on 5+, same thing Tomb Kings had.

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>>52326114
>implying mass infantry armies of guards aren't outdated now
>implying this isn't the new age of mass HWT with auto cannons armies from maximum range and cover
Anon please

>>52326767
>Faggot
>Plays chaos
>3 walkers with mele at 850
>2 formations at 850

I always knew there was a reason I hated you people. Thank you for giving me it in image format.

>>52326796
>if I just keep green-texting and calling them autistic, maybe I won't get BTFO

>>52326649
orkz are so shit that they just ignore to-hit modifiers. Why? Because they kinda shoot randomly.(mind you not that their shoots are randomized in crunch, they are more like "point a gun in general direction and press the trigger")

>>52325936
Cadians problem was they were made officially the poster boys but then canon made them all white euro and no female sculpts
Now we will get solar auxiliary leading the great crusade mk2 so they will be able to put in non euro faces and female sculpts
Added bonus it will drive away the fat neck beards who stink of arse leakage and look at CP on their phones whilst in the stores

>>52326837
Holy shit, walkers? Everyone knows that melee walkers are the most powerful units in the game.

And formations! Holy shit. How will anyone ever be able to withstand the might of a Defiler with the (Character) subtype?!

>>52326817
>REEEEE CHANGE!
>In a broken, over inflated, shit system thats only ever been made objectively worse since 3.5 and 4th
>I can't understand that flat rules are more interesting to people who would like the start playing, something GW and my hobby utterly depends on in a world with things increasingly compettitive for their attention and much easier to get into, like Xwing.
>I've never tried to teach people this system in my life, they can't get past my stinking, fattened husk of a body to ask so they waste a store owners time instead, but let me pretend to know better

Honestly kill yourself. My life is diminished knowing one day you might walk into my store.

>>52326809
Spamming cultists with the dark apostle could be fun on its own, or maybe do something with less used units like a raptors and warp talons list

I don't know man, been a long time since I played chaos, what I do know is that you should not bring formations or heavy/lots of armor at points that low or the game will not be fun

>>52326826
Yes, they could make it not fuck over orks. If they wanted to. There is zero indication that they want to. As much as GW have fixed over the last few years, their screwing over of horde armies in general and orks in particular has carried on without any signs of ending.

>>52326837
He is playing wololo bears and a damn defiler aka the biggest "shoot me im scary" modell that isn't a superheavy or an ork. One krak missle and 1/4 of his army is down. And to useless characters.

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>>52326185
>implying inv saves won't become like AoS making them impossible to rend
Anon, this is GW no a tabletop gaming company.

>>52326027
Having a bike in the unit means they can't get pinned

>>52326867
>Chaos fags this angry people think their lists are shitty to play at 850

>>52326110
Probably from the rule book as a précis of what happened during GS books

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>>52326811
>Spacecuck gets triggered when its all flyrants and no one brings warriors
>gets called out on why and gets triggered
Spacecucks are ez mode and therefore their players never change.

>>52326876
>he's such a shitty teacher that he can't explain a To Hit and To Wound chart
Git gud, scrub.

7E being shit doesn't mean that going full retard in the opposite direction isn't a terrible idea. Especially not when it's accompanied by a special rule proliferation.

>>52326225
Dead, might as well turn them into HWT guys now, better get those auto cannons now before their prices go up.

I'm curious, was the change from 6th to 7th like this? I assume it was, since no one on these threads can stop being cancer for more than 5 minutes, but just wan't to be sure.

>>52326876
>I think a system where you take two numbers and compare them on the most simple table is broken and overinflated

I'm not even arguing that 7e isn't a mess overall, I'm saying that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the wound roll system

But I guess you're too busy thinking up funny, baseless insults to notice

I guess that's why you're such an unpleasant human being you have to play at a store

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>>52326791
>a 3+ save on a 14 point t4 model is good
>he doesnt know that point for point a guardsman squad is more durable than a tactical squad

>>52326923
Perhaps in regards to the psychic phase, but you would want to look towards the shift of 5th to 6th for something comparable.

>>52326923
Naw, 6->7 wasn't anywhere near this bad, since not much actually changed and what did change was almost universally for the worse (removing rules for shit like multi-level ruins for no reason, psychic phase as a whole, etc).

>>52326910
>Full retard
>As if sigmar hasn't eclipsed the shitshow of toxicity and autismo grognard subhumans that came before
>As if I'm not selling almost as much sigmar as I do xwing
>Gathering storm literally sat on the shelf unwanted until gathering storm 2 came out and some burgerclap bought them both and bugged me for half an hour about how 'much nicer than expected this country is'

Sigmar is the better game. Games like it and Xwing are the future. Get over yourself and fuck off to HHG and let the Normies have actual fun for once.

>>52326310
What? Too complicated, keep it simple for the new players, remember this game is aimed for 10 year old kids so they can start as soon as possible to play and get new miniatures!!1!

>>52326948
>sigmar is the better game because 7 year olds bug their mom to buy it for them more

>>52326558
>Clearly electrospines
That's a trygon prime. Why would a mawloc be outside his burrow?

>>52326897
Essentially three Dreads isn't an overwhelming amount of armor, even at 850. Any mechanized list will be packing at least that much armor, and with infantry that isn't shit accompanying it. That list also has a hefty character tax.

Your average TAC list would have a good game against that list. Maybe you should actually play sometime instead of just shitposting.

>>52326878
Formations are the way the game is played now, and that isn't a crazy amount of armor.

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>>52326924
He works in the store, Anon. He's saying it's a pain to teach people. I guess communication is hard for you, huh?

>>52326992
So he did, I stopped reading the tangent sections of his posts half an hour ago

>>52326914
I just can't believe it. Blobs have been amazing from 5th-7th. Why get rid of their effectivness now?

I don't buy it. Priests and Commissars will still make blobs useful in 8th.

>>52326948
NFL 2007 and 2008 both outsold all RPG titles that same year, so the must be inherently better games too.

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>>52326573
>emptie
>Implying losing some space marine players is bad
>Implying space marine players wont flock to the next easy to play army

No more pain.
No more slime.
No more will a man reduce himself for a big pair of fucking shoes.

>>52326948
Sigmar is selling better than WHFB, but there's no need to pretend that it's even remotely comparable to 40k sales. Triumvirates have been selling extremely well, and of course massive and expensive books with little actual game content aren't going to sell as well.

>>52326881
it kinda baffles me. I mean horde armies need shitload of models, why not actually support that?
What's better, sell 20 Space Marines or at least 60 boyz?

>>52326923
Not as many Austrians on 4chan back then

Is it just one dyslexic anime shitposter or has it become a meme now?

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>>52326992
He's been saying a lot of things.

>>52327004
Madden is a better game than most rpgs, you just never played football like the majority of North American alpha males

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>>52326939
>Having more codexes than you know what to do with
>Every HQ is underpriced
>More weapons to choose from with every option under the sun
>Can assault from drop pods
>We're bad though

Mmm, got my noggin' toboggan'

>>52327028
>Austrians
H-hey, we're just a tiny country, please no bully.

>>52326878
Formations seem generally more fluffy and cool to me, though i have heard some of them are bullshit. I don't really see the point of raptors everyone i play against is immune to fear or has WS so low it changes nothing, I'd rather just ally in my daemonettes or use berserkers. Then again im pretty new and have never gone up against jump pack infantry outside of HOR kill team.
Dark Apostle seems pretty good with his beseech the dark gods thing, maybe i will make a list based on winning challenges? I could bring one of my helbrutes in case of vehicles and give my champions power swords. Which mark is best for winning challenges? Slaanesh so i get to strike first?
>>52326980
I dont know but my opponents are usually pretty new to the game like me so i think those replies were right, even if they were hostile. They usually bring some anti-vehicle though because of my rhinos and i often bring 1 helbrute.

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>>52326992
>the only non-shitposting pro-aos poster is a retail worker tired of teaching mentally retarded people and children simple math

Poetry

>>52327056
>assault from drop pods
How?

>>52327077
Skyhammer.

>>52326923
6th and 7th were the same edition: Pigshit.

>>52327084
Aren't you supposed to put devatators into the drop pods?

>>52327084
>one formation can break the rules
Oh wow, what a busted army.

>>52327075
>Le everyone who likes AoS is trolling XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
You can kill yourself too

>>52327014
Correction. AoS is selling better than dead WHF

AoS is not even close to the time when WHF kept GW working.

No idea why people forget GW killed Fantasy by going turbo greed with it.

>>52327084
Have you ever read the Skyhammer rules or do you just shitpost all day?

>>52326923
6th to 7th edition changed so slyly no one noticed until after they'd been playing it for a year.

>>52327084
Except they don't assault from drop pods. The assault squads (with jump packs) deep strike and then assault same turn.

The devastators (in drop pods) get relentless.

Unless they added another Skyhammer formation.

>>52327056
>core Space Marine rules are only the core codex and Angels of Death
>most HQ characters are pretty bad and even a 90 point T4 W3 3+/4++ model is mediocre
>most options are outclassed by Grav in every regard and have equivalents in other codices/are from the core rules
>Can't assault from drop pods and have exactly 2 formations that allow Assault Squads to charge from Deep Strike with Jetpacks
>backbone unit of the army is overcosted and can't do shit

Man, Marines are such a broken codex.

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>>52327075
It's not that. It's that I don't want to have to keep repeating rules. The only person I've had to repeat rules too has been a 22 year old woman that was clearly just learning to get praise from the guy she was with.

Why he couldn't have taught her I don't fucking know.

I can't believe I wanted to do this fucking job when I was a teenager. I took out a loan for school and to open this fucking store.

Don't follow your dreams kids. You'll have to listen to idiots talking about their dudes all. fucking. day.

>>52327118
Fantasy killed itself with its shitty rules. They don't want the same thing to happen to 40k so that's why we're getting simplified rules, it's the best move they could have made. And when they eventually bring back tomb kings and Bretonnia, we can finally put an end to the bitching

>>52327013
>implying I'm not a salty deldar player expecting my army going the way of the dodo and watch the next 2-3 years numarines and chaos getting update after update while everyone else is ignored or flat out squated
Hey look it's a new variant of storm cast and/or khone unit/game

which ork klanz iz most likely ta spam rokkits?

>>52327149
It's almost like Space Marines are orks!
>>52327158
>And when they eventually bring back tomb kings and Bretonnia, we can finally put an end to the bitching
>implying they can ever, ever, ever, in a million years, salvage the fluff of AoS

>>52326855
>Added bonus it will drive away the fat neck beards who stink of arse leakage and look at CP on their phones whilst in the stores
>they can't get past my stinking, fattened husk of a body to ask so they waste a store owners time instead, but let me pretend to know better

What the fuck are you even talking about?

>>52321760
Can someone explain to me what Gathering Storm is? I'm a casual, haven't been paying attention.

>>52327149
I mean just look a 5th-6th ed.
People took Scout / Bikes as their troops.

The only way GW got people to take Tacticals was to force them in (almost) every Core as tax.

>>52326948
Wasn't there an anon in a thread a while back about some nu-male who banned words like fat or rape in his store? Found him.

>>52327194
Narrative campaign upping the stakes of the galaxy at large. Three books of it are out on the GW site if you want more information.

>>52327194
Bad luck we're shitposting because new AoS 40k edition soon.

>>52327158
>Fantasy kill it self with its rules

Today I learn that Fantasy wrote its own rules and GW didn't wrote any of it.

>>52327175
not deathskulls, they need their loot.
not snakebitez, they are too traditional.
not evil sunz, they know how destructive rokkits are.
not blood axes, they want to be proppa sneaki and rokkits are very situational for them.
That leaves goffs or maybe bad moonz.I'd settle for goffs cause they are most destructive of all clanz

>>52327175
Bad Moons love erryfink dat is expensive and ded dakka-y, so them.

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>>52326056
We've come full circle

>>52327204
>implying thats not poltards baiting

>>52327056
>shitposter doesn't know the rules
what a surprise

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>>52327149
>Space marines are ork tier!
>That's why we're the second most represented army at tourneys

MmmmmMMMMmmmMMhmm

>Charging units should fight first. It’s just more thematic. So we’re hoping to work this out as well. It will reward tactically outmaneuvering your opponent. You can dictate the combats rather than being entirely Initiative based. You control who swings first.
Ork players should be overjoyed by this change

>>52327194
A series of supplements with a strong narrative focus that started in December.

Kindly no whfb or 40k 7th edition, if that's your cup of tea please go elsewhere, especially if you're just going to shit post. For all intents and purposes, AoS and 8th edition are just better games

>>52327223
but rokkits destroy loot

>>52325956
>leadership is now battleshock, like AoS

If they do this, Orks are officially dead in the water.

(compared to being just dead now)

>>52327243
Bad Moons don't care 'bout stinkin' loot, unless dat stinkin' loot is teef!

>>52327243
Or do they breaks things into easier to loot pieces?

>>52327254
Same with my Guard blobs. I just got my 50 Conscripts and 50 power axe blob finished.

>>52327254
well, it's not that different from current mob rule, just hits much harder

>>52327226
How would that be baiting? It doesn't rouse /tg/ to action, it trolls nobody, it's not even a good conversation starter.

>>52327254
I thought Orks were pretty good in AoS though.

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>>52327229
>>52327149

>Mmm I think I'll just ally IG to make up for whatever shortcomings I have
>Haha I have a celestine
>I have monstrous creatures now too xD
>My army is ork tier!

>>52327254
That poster didn't mention the most important thing though.

>Orks are a melee race!
>I2
>DOESN'T MATTER, CHARGERS ALWAYS STRIKE FIRST AHAHAHAHA

>>52327232
Please, do show me the basic Space Marine army lists that aren't
A) Gladius with almost 400 points of free tanks
B) Skyhammer cheese Alpha Striking to kill everything with Grav
C) Grav-Bike spam White Scars
D) Iron Hands deathstar Smashfucker abuse

>>52327283
>implying allies are an excuse

>>52327262
damn, didn't think about that

>>52327260
fugggg, i confused them with deathskullz.

But anyway, aren't deffskulz known for their kustom weapons? I always connect them with burnaz for some reason

>>52327221
>>52327223
>>52327243
>>52327260
>>52327262

I was leaning towards blood axes for my new army but I feel the urge to spam rokkit launchas wherever possible to combat vehicles. i was hoping for a really niche klan that spams them but goffs would work.

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Alright revised list. Rhinos drive up the khorne marines who act like shittier berserkers and throw down lots of challenges, whilst the infiltrating nurglings and deep striking daemons tie up various things so they cant pop my rhinos.

About what's the life span for each printing of a model, as in how often do they update them?
I know I'm one to talk with some armies not even having all their models in plastic (or at all...) but the current lootas sprue is rather old right?

>>52327296
gud, black is dead killy, you will most likely kill and die a lot

>>52327293
Holy fuck you get 4 viable lists? I only get two.

>>52327294
Deffskullz is a buncha zoggin' flashy gits is wot they is.
And I'd love to collect them if started Orks all of a sudden. I love flash gitz and lootas and burnas and expensive heavy weapons
I would make everything out of Imperial Vehicles

>>52327283
>celestine
>good

>allied IG
>good

it's like you literally don't leave the house and play or even look at top lists that win tournaments, amazing! It's a whole other level of retardation.

>decided Ima finally gather all my ork shit up from the multiple places I keep it and lay it out on my big table so I can properly organize them in containers
>took me two hours in the fucking basement to gather it all
>I still need to go down to get the rest of the boyz and trukks

I'll take a pic in a couple hours to show you all, but my guesstimate is that I have somewhere in the region of a thousand models or so all in all, gork help me

>>52327296
just make them your guys

>>52327327
yeah but saying they have it as bad as orkz is a joke

NOBODY has it as bad as orkz atm

>>52327318
fanks boss!

>>52327331
yeah im currently going thru the klan creator to see what i come out with

>>52327293
I mean, I use sternhammer but I am a noob with 1 game under my belt

(not the guy you were replying to)

>>52327254
maybe they will we give leadership another pass

AoS Battleshock is hardest on medium infantry without support since it removes models and not causes wounds. Even Sigmarines with 2 wounds each have only 6 bravery, so rolling poor on battleshock can be a total disaster for them.

40k Battleshock will likely be reworked to impact everyone, with space marines getting ways to increase their bravery or avoid battleshock losses

I could see IG/AM getting a rule of "If you have a commissar, before even rolling take one casualty for a +4 bonus or something"

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>>52327329
Sounds like sum proppa WAAAGH!!!, boss

>>52327329
>thousand models
That's a shitload of orkz, damn

>>52327325
Two? Look at this privilege cunt I got one almost functional list.
Since 5th!

Our list are so bad had to actually learn the game in order to win some times.

>>52327327
>tournament lists
>dictating what's good to casuals
>casuals that make up the majority of the player base
>celestine isn't god tier in casual meta

8th edition can't come soon enough, grognards and waac fags utterly btfo soon

>>52327234
>>Charging units should fight first. It’s just more thematic. So we’re hoping to work this out as well. It will reward tactically outmaneuvering your opponent. You can dictate the combats rather than being entirely Initiative based. You control who swings first.
>Ork players should be overjoyed by this change
Yeah, because ork players should only ever be charging and never use any other tactic.