Warhammer 40k general

>>52327530
Is it a game yet?

First for stop making threads so goddamn early the oldest isn't even at the bump limit yet

So AoS is coming to 40K by the sounds of things.

Optimistic about I changes.

I wonder if Guilliman's NuMarines will include women. There are female Stormcast after all.

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>>52327636
They won't. SoB will be re-released/remade instead

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Rate me.

>>52327636
>Guilliman's NuMarines
Fortunately, last we heard from the rumor mill, it's a new mark of powered armor. We're being spared a full sigmarization. For now.

>>52327644
What about:
>Squat SoB
>Made female Nu Marines
?

>>52327644
ThAt good, I would like some bolter bitches to go with my guard

>>52327674
about as solid as an ork list can be/10

The only thing that could help you more is an allied chaos knight or buzzgobs stompa

>>52327530

I feel outta the loop but... why no 8e discussion?

Did they lie about rebooting the galaxy? lmao. Last I've heard they were streamlining the rules, adding some 2e stuff and that's it.

>>52327643

>Red weapons
I still do this, but it makes me sad GW's studio team doesn't.

You're all a bunch of cunts.
I'm ready for 8th.
I haven't played since 6th :^)

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>>52325289
>Welp, time to remove Tyranid Warriors and Shrikes from the game as well! About time!

Oh my sweet summer child.

>>52327702
>Did they lie about rebooting the galaxy?
That was just /tg/ fearmongering, which admittedly, ends up being correct far often than it should; but in this case, for the foreseeable future, seems to have been wrong.

>>52327702
They never said they were rebooting 40k, the only people that actually think 40k is going to get squatted like fantasy are BoLS shitters

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>>52327709
Then we are as one.

It can't get any worse, right?

Kindly no 7th edition or whfb, if that's your cup of tea please go elsewhere, especially if you're just going to shitpost. For all intents and purposes, 8th edition and AoS are better games.

>>52327683
Why would they do that? Not only would they be wasting all the work they've already done with SoB lore and design, they'd also risk pissing off the lorefags.

It makes no sense whatsoever.

>>52327702
It doesn't seem to be a reboot fluff wise. So far all we've heard is they're adding back some older 2e stuff, but also some junk from Age of Sigmar. Just rules right now though

>>52327745
Just for Imperial factions.
Xenos have nothing to lose, everything to gain.

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>>52327709

Same. Last I played a game one turn lasted like 20 minutes or so and a friend had to pack up early due to responsibilities in the morning. I am all for a faster and more streamlined game.

That said, we shouldn't fearmonger or worry until the shit drops bc as far as I know it's all just being discussed right now.

Just play the game and it'll get here when it gets here my niggas

>>52327702
8e is welcome here friend. The darkness is ending, soon we will enter a future far brighter than any we can possibly imagine.

Grognards fear change, but honestly this game can't get worse.

>>52327758

Good I'm glad. Get rid of the fuckin' rules bloat please.

Any news on more complex ruleset for HH I had heard rumors about?

>>52327781
>tfw sylandri telling cawl to embrace the new future was 10/10 forshadowing

>>52327675
Stormcast keep their memories and personalities making them more interesting than most space marines. Makes you wonder what else they retain? An off-duty Stormcast might be popular with the ladies.

Space marines on the other hand are living weapons and nothing more, at least until they have been around a few centuries and have built up a personality over time.

>>52327702
It's no 8e discussion because the dude making these last threads way too early is obviously a shitposting moron, is all.

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>Let's give this unit a big anti-tank gun
>S10 AP- Assault 2
This isn't 3rd edition you stupid nigger.

>>52327781

SINDRIIIII!!!!!!!!!!

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>>52327758
I'm okay with this, the game desperately needs some slimming.

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>Age of the emperor soon
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>8E is anounced
>shitposting immediately skyrockets
god damnit

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>>52327767
The future is looking bright. Assault armies have been the sick man of Europe for three editions.
>If only the Nid and ork codex weren't always the first to be released

Those Death Guard look too Chaos Warriory and not enough Space Mariney

>>52327811
Obviously I meant 4 not - but it's basically the same.

>>52327826
Sick man of 40k you retard

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>>52327781

Excellent.

I wonder what this means for the Inquisitor28 people. Hopefully a 40k version of Hinterlands. That'd be great. Would be neat to see a mixture of Inquisitor and Necromunda for Hinterlands.

>>52327833
>>52327811

I wish this was 3rd edition.
That shit was the best.

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If I used one of these for a game do you think anyone would have an autismo fit because it isn't a newer model?

I haven't played in like 15 years so their might be players who weren't even born when this model was out

>>52327818
ADB is that you?

>>52327830
Explain?

>>52327815
Slimming is fine, but I don't like some of the ways they're going about it.

>>52327861
If they did you probably wouldn't want to play with them in the first place

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>Orks are a melee race!
>Waaagh!

>>52327830
G O O D

>>52327882
I always see the dick on that gif

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>Space marines are Ork Tier!
>We only have 4 viable ways to run our army!
>Please ignore that these 4 ways can basically cover every sort of unit in the codex

That guy was cringe.

>>52327853
If you imagine cruddace hasn't played since 3rd edition the tyranid codex suddenly almost makes sense.

>>52327822
GW can't do anything without a spike in shitposting because after the last 10+ years the fanbase save for the most dedicated of autists doesn't trust them anymore.

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>>52327781
>honestly this game can't get worse
>tempting fate this hard

>>52327861
Using ancient models gets you extra credibility points.

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>>52327830
Horror.

>>52327892
pretty sure thats just a belt man

>>52327861
Nah, they'll probably be impressed more than anything

>>52327882
>tankhammer in aktion

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>>52327843
>What continent did 40k originate from

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>>52327830
>>52327830
The line between chaos warriors and chaos marines used to be a lot more blurred

>>52327895

In terms of balance, kinda.
But the 3ed codex was actually a lot more fun and interesting with the options you could do.

>>52327905

Only the dead know peace.

>>52327801
But at the same token, Stormcasts lose pieces of themselves each time they're reforged (resurrected after dying).

Meaning they'll eventually but just a living shell.

>>52327919
loss?

>>52327932
Turkey, that's where the emperor is from

Even if you mean britain, that doesn't assault armies the sick man of europe. Jesus christ. That phrase is for economically underperforming european countries, not a specific kind of army in a game that was created in europe. Again, sick man of 40k.

Consider the fact that if Plastic Sisters were in the works and were going to be released any time soon, we would have gotten leaks of it already, wouldn't we?
>>52327861
Whoa, it was completely plastic?

>>52327861

I use a 1e (2e?) rhino, and ten of my marines are 2e. I love them.

I like older models more than newer models. I dunno, they've got less detail but for some reason I feel they've got more character?

The move to something closer to AoS is honestly the best move GW can make for 40k as well. That particular style of play where every unit has a special skill that has synergies with other similar faction units helps balance out a system that has had its fair share on unbalances due to for example only pumping out HQs back when that was a thing or only pumping out melee units when that was overpowered or 7th's big powerful units and small fast attack units meta.

Leave large army tactics to historical wargames which actually excel at balancing it all out.

>>52327893
But anon, he really wanted to run his Tactical terminators in land raiders alongside his Scouts in Land Speeders!

He might only beat Orks 98% of the time with such a terrible list!

The new Deep Strike rules seem really unbalanced, I just can't see how it will work with some units.

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>>52327977
Did we get leaks of the steampunk dwarves from AoS?

Not everything leaks man. At this point the pattern of sisters stuff is too much to ignore.

>>52327986
My only concern is that things might get left behind in the dust during the shift.

>>52327971
Loss.

>>52328013
Like what?

>>52327893
The only one ever claiming they're as bad as Orks was the guy arguing against him, though.

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>Charging units will get some sort of Initiative bonus
>riptides are faster than marines on the charge
>Slaanesh marines striking last against charging loyalist marines
>genestealers getting beaten up by charging guardsmen
But at least Boyz will get to hit first for a change, right?

>>52327826
>If only the Nid and ork codex weren't always the first to be released
Looks like Crudd is going to be put to working writing the new Tyranid codex for 8th, i wonder what wonderful buffs he'll give them this time?

>>52327998
Yes. It will ruin unit's coherency.

>>52328064
I can't for the life of me figure out how we will deep strike terminators.

>>52328026
Forgeworld models spring to mind as an obvious example. You know how good they are about keeping everything up to date.

Aside from that, any random model could potentially slip through the cracks and have their main gimmick just get demolished by the changes.

>>52327986
>That particular style of play where every unit has a special skill that has synergies with other similar faction units
That's pretty cancerous design because it moves the rules from a modular core rule system into the profiles, which makes getting a broad overview of things cancerous as fuck.

>>52327530
GUILLIMAN IS BACK
ALL HAIL THE ULTRAMARINES, THE GREATEST OF ALL CHAPTERS

>>52327998
Where'd you see it? Or what's the new DS?

>>52328081
You just smash them down onto the table in a similar fashion and wherever the Sergeant's base lands is where they'll scatter to.

To balance that, they'll than be able to charge ASAP.

>>52328106
It's explained in the new Warhammer TV video "inside the studio"

>>52328100
I mean they're my favorite but there's no reason to grandstand when other people prefer different factions.

>>52328106
Demonstration video of some new changes released earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dl0OtWqCa0

>>52328082
Forgeworld should probably be axed/rolled into standard 40k anyways

Honestly never understood what the point of FW was

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>>52328035
When he cried about how he can only win with four builds was cringe.

Him crying about monobuilds and getting raped by >>52327820 and >>52327883 was funny

>>52328064
Except their getting rid of unit coherency dumbass, with the new bases, everything will just be stacked next to or behind each other. There's no need for unit coherency rules.

>>52328013
Not sure how you mean this statement. If it's in the "AOS made a lot of WHFB units useless", then yeah I do hope they have conversion kits for newer models to be used on older ones as well. 40k has a higher quantity of detailed models compared to WHFB so they don't have to completely throw them out. Not to mention

If you're talking rules changes and what they do for the units, this would be the perfect opportunity to start making things that weren't as powerful more useful again.

>>52328145
Well, they used to be a separate company, now they're another design studio under the same name.

The thing is though, they give a lot of factions some pretty cool vehicles and options to make use of. It's the only source of flyers and superheavies a lot of armies have.

>>52328082
As opposed to 75% of the current models being practically unusable?

>>52328151
That was more than one anon, though. It wasn't just one person arguing for Space Marine units being bad most of them are.

Also, please learn to quote if you want to make a "THEY SURE SHOWED HIM" post. Otherwise you just destroy your own argument.

>>52328171
But AoS isn't WHFB. 40k is still 40k, just a new edition.

>>52328141
Top Kek. Plastic thunder hawk.
It's awesome to see them trolling us.

How do you guy say Abaddon? I always said it like Ah-bu-dawn, still do really, until I heard Duncan say Abaddon when referring to the color.

>>52328133
Neato thanks

>>52328179
>practically unusable?

Maybe if you're talking Tournaments. I'm talking stuff like "high initiative AP 3 marine killer" having even that mediocre role removed if it can't ignore marine armor as easily, or if the marines can just charge it first to ignore the high initiative.

>>52328095
It's a design system that works well for card games, and it would work well here as well due to just how much power creep there's been with newer units/rules as it would give every kind of unit something special or another. It doesn't have to be overly unique, but at the same time just enough to make that unit a justifiable investment.

>>52328217
Can you not see that the game isn't going to change much? They aren't applying these new rules to 40k as it is, everything is getting a massive Stat overhaul. Units that specialize in killing marines will still do that

>Weapons will “act more like you imagine in the lore”.

So....S5 AP3 boltguns soon?

>>52328200
a-BAD-don

It fits him perfectly

>>52328151
It's ok anon, your Orks will just get squatted completely with 8E and then you can stop lashing out at people on a Korean Basket Weaving Board and lose some weight and maybe find some friends.

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>>52327971
>That phrase is for economically underperforming european countries, not a specific kind of army in a game that was created in europe. Again, sick man of 40k.

Here's a quick rundown on the sickman of europe.

It refers to the Ottoman empire in World War 1.

>Turkey

Now which country did the Ottoman's originate?

>Turkey

QED you're triggered and don't know history.

>Jesus Christ
Triggered

>>52328171
I don't want conversion kits, I just want them to make sure and actually give every unit a fair update. I don't want to deal with having a way I kitted out a squad to be invalid now or something stupid.

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>>52328239
Not to mention being able to field new units of different factions to keep up with the power creep will encourage you to buy said units and models until the next one comes out ad eternium.

>>52328244
>an you not see that the game isn't going to change much?
>everything is getting a massive Stat overhaul

Meaning everything is going to change? A unit that specializes in killing marines will only still do so if the designers remember that's what they're there for, and actually make sure they can do so in the new rules.

You don't see the potential for fuckups there? That rebuilding the game from the ground up might result in some mistakes?

>>52328198
Oh, nah I was thinking towards a grander readjustment of 40k. What they may be hinting at. 8th is just gonna still be 40k, and like the last three or four editions there will probably be two or three things far above everything else.

>>52328239
>It's a design system that works well for card games
Arguably, card games require fuck all strategy and the pro scene is dominated by the people with the biggest investment of time and money, a model GW is definitely flirting with but I'd rather see avoided.

>and it would work well here as well due to just how much power creep there's been with newer units/rules
>card games
>no power creep
Oh stop, my sides

>New Death Guard minis have smiley faces

Is...is 40k finally getting it's sense of humour back?

>>52328267
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sick_man_of_Europe

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>>52328258


Oh anon, your monobuilds with jetpacks and bikes and drop pods and underpriced HQs and IG allies must be such a heavy burden to win with in all four of your viable army builds.


>Getting this triggered imagining I was the ork poster who got you bootybothered that you describe your life goals to me in a pathetic projection

>this seemed like a good idea to an angry babyman

W-when did you come out to your parents as a straight base user anons?

I'm afraid to

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>>52327530
>40k thread
>no gathering storm or 8th ed guise!

Feckoff, cunt. Its the biggest news atm. If you make a 40k general thread, then let us discuss 40k in general including shit thats currently being added right now. If you wanted to talk about anything other than 40k you should have made a more specific thread.

Mfw im ready for SoB plastic release and 8th ed so that I can at the last minute decide
>"meh i didnt actually want to collect SoB after all. I guess I just wanted to see them get updated and get a shitty codex like the DEldar."

>>52328339
I just got used to living with the lie. I don't want to see the disappointment in their eyes.

>>52328100
Killed that fool last night. He's a points sink!

>>52328356
Its a meme you dip

>>52328356
>SoB
>Plastic

Pick one.

I'm kidding. GW announced that SoB Plastics WHEN? Is their most regular question. The next one is "ARMOUR SAVE MODIFIERS WHEN?". Which, as everybody should know if they're not underageb& is a 2nd Ed rule.

>>52328334
>Oh anon, your monobuilds with jetpacks and bikes and drop pods and underpriced HQs and IG allies must be such a heavy burden to win with in all four of your viable army builds.
Contain your autism, please.

>Straight Bases

So, we're switching to WHFB bases? And AoS is round now? What? Or are they bases for tanks and shit?

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>>52328356

>>52328394
>GW announced that SoB Plastics WHEN? Is their most regular question.

Is this a ruse?

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>>52328060
Crudd isn't allowed within 200 meters of GW.

>>52328390
It's by definition not a meme if it's just one guy reposting the same unfunny shit.

>>52328419
Nope. Maybe not their most asked question, but they definitely acknowledged/teased it. See >>52328393

Dat fucking ambiguous wording gives me a raging hard on

>>52328287
No shit it'll result in some mistakes. And the stats will change but not much will change respectively to what it already does.

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>>52328422
hey there

>>52328400
read
>>52327635

>>52328440
>tfw I've been hopefully memeing plastic sisters for years
>Now it seems like it might actually happen

I'm willing to forgive say....15% of the crap they've pulled over the last decade or two if they actually do this.

>>52328449
>not much will change respectively to what it already does
>it'll result in some mistakes

Yeah, and I'm worried that those mistakes will result in more stuff changing, because they're overhauling the whole goddamn system.

>>52328407
Nah anon, didn't you see the teaser for 8th? We're getting square bases and GW is thinking of creating some kind of tray to put the models on in order to help players move big blocks of guys around. Its probably going to be the best new change for 8th edition.

>>52328390
>>52328412
See
>>52328430

Between the 24 hours i havent been on here suddenly theres this meme everyones been raving about. You niggers are worse than tumblr

>>52328469
I don't even know what that post is supposed to tell me, except that the Ork autist from last thread is still shitposting strong.

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>>52328456
GET OUT. I KNOW YOU HAD THE POWER TO MAKE NIDS AS COOL AS FIFTH EDITION IG BUT YOU DIDN'T

I WILL LAUGH WHEN YOUR PRECIOUS TANKS BECOME SHIT AGAIN

>>52328493
Not to mention deep strike will be done by hurling your drop pods at the table removing the pieces of intervening models as casualties.

>play at a gw store
>complain about having to play min/maxed lists and top tier armies

Get a club

>>52328482
I think their recent foray into sisters of silence convinced them to doubletime on giving the fanservice what its been screaming for for years

>>52328533
GW stores are some of the most casual fucking lists I've ever seen.

>>52328504
It's in the whfb op, and people are poking fun at them and have been doing so every time anything with a bit of weight gets released for 40k
Neck yourself

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>>52328525
You must be mistaken. I don't believe you are the expert on tyranids.

I will illuminate you and your new codex.

>>52328545
Not even SoS, Veryidyan sold out in like 5 minutes and continues to do so. She sold better than GW even dreamed. Plus they've done polls and Celestine is the reason most people bought the triumvirate.

SoS are just a bonus tracking number says ]mine are coming tomorrow, I'm hyped

>>52328557
You're at the club and this guy slaps your Hive tyrants ass. What do?

>>52328532
Which is bullshit, I thought 8th was supposed to fix all the unbalanced trash, but apparently they're just going to give an OP advantage to taller players. Age of the Emperor is going to be the worst decision GW will every make. I might as well burn my army, since I'm never coming back.

>>52328493
Sounds good.

>>52328567
I can't justify them. I wanted the Talons, but I've got so many models to make.

>>52328145
Making interesting subsets of factions has been their thing. Then the HH stuff started and the actual strength of FW has been decreased. They also generally can design new vehicles unlike GW which unleashes monstrosities like the Storm Raven.

Never mind the new rules, I have an entire months salary's worth of those sexy new Death Guard to buy.

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>>52328581
>tfw 6'4
>tfw mawlocspam

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>>52328578
>O-okay my MC's are T:5 now mister
>P-please don't fuck me harder

>>52328268
I was thinking more from a total overhaul perspective, but yeah for 8th you're right.

>>52328281
Exactly.

>>52328300
>Arguably, card games require fuck all strategy and the pro scene is dominated by the people with the biggest investment of time and money, a model GW is definitely flirting with but I'd rather see avoided.
GW already works with that model though, more so than card games. Particularly with their expensive as fuck giant walkers. Fucking hell, compare that to MTG where you can make a half decent deck that can win you tournaments around you with a fraction of that price. YGO with an even smaller fraction if you play Monarchs.

>Oh stop, my sides
Unlike cards, these profiles would wouldn't be hard to update/errata if need be because they aren't physical cards that need a large investment to errata as well. Not only that, but there would be less things to balance at once in that manner compared to card games since there are a lot less "cards" in that manner here since Warhammer is still a wargame of a sort.

I really don't see how making every unit useful in their own way is somehow worse than making some units very useful and the others trash like GW has made 40k be since 5th edition.

>>52328581
>tfw 6ft 2" manlet
>8th edition is just going to be endless bullying by deep striking muhreen chads

Th...thanks GW..

>>52328589
I was on the fence until I realized you could buy them separately. I didn't want to buy the whole talons kit because the dreadnaught looks fucking retarded.

I only got one squad, but if I like em I'll probably buy a couple more, although from what I'm hearing they're only really worth it for the swords.

>>52328520
Not him but
>That ork poster will remain in your mind for years
Can't blame ya, he did eviscerate each of your retarded ork tier comparisons you made in front of the other grogs.
You misspelled space marine fag btw

>>52328532
Have they even considered that many of us play on tables made from foam?

The drop pod will just bury itself into the surface, you'll be lucky if you manage to hit even two models without the shrapnel effect.

I'm relatively new to Warhammer, but isn't the "3 ways to play" thing already done?

>>52328645
>The drop pod will just bury itself into the surface
Which is perfect and thematic due to the force of impact.

>>52327636
If you're gonna introduce Mary sue female marines I insist that they're retconned to the grey knights for consistency

>>52328617
Haven't you heard? Space Marines are ork tier now, just ask >>52327520

>>52328578
I punch him in his punchable face.

>>52328627
True. I justified not buying them by going "I can't use the cool 30k Custodes Dreadnoughts in 40k....". Obviously I COULD but some people might bitch. So I lied to myself. I can't wait for the Master Race Dreadnought to come out.

>>52328661
Not in the BRB currently, no. It's basically hinted at. But the AoS book that had the rules sold well. So they're doing the same for 40k, which is OK I guess.

>>52328490
For god sake man live a little, you're the kind of person who orders the exact thing at the exact same restaurant every time he goes aren't you?

Change means that shit changes, so yes shit will change in 8th edition

>>52328681
>still cross-thread shitposting with statements that were never made
Another reason why threads should die before a new one is made.

>>52328581
What about the units that burrow underground and the ones that teleport? Do we have to drill holes into the table and tunnel through time and space?

1d4chan about Castellan of the Imperium:
>"Except that from Forgeworld Emails, all of their 'dreadnoughts' count as Dreadnoughts for the purposes of formations .. In addition, all of their Badab War Characters count as their respective type for formations. Sevrin Loth is a Librarian, while Captain Tarnus Vale is a Captain."

Can this be believed? How will I convince my friends to agree to this?

Come on GW, announce those plastic sisters already. I've literally got $700 set aside for pre-orders as soon as they go up.

>>52328711
>1d4chan

Welcome newfriend

>>52328333
>The term was first used in the mid-19th century to describe the Ottoman Empire
>That feel when you shut down that annoying know it all who is always wrong but no one wants to talk to him

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>>52328684

>>52328690
You can 100%use contemptor dreads in 40k. They have rules in the supplement book along with cataphractii termies

>>52328724
T-thanks

>>52328732
It's a good feel bro

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>>52328554
>neck yourself huehue #2kool4skool #mememeister #4chanmemes #/tg/lyfe
Nigga that's just gay gtfo of here with your forced memes

>>52328567
True that. Almost forgot about Veridyan. And Celestine. I'm still on the fence about Celestine because idgaf about Cawl or "Inquisitor-candlehat". But now I'm realizing she'd probably cost an arm and a leg if sold on her own with her two ladyguards

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>>52328752
No no, I mean these guys. Both of these only have 30k rules. Well, the Master Race Dreadnought (Heavy Dreadnought) doesn't.

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>>52327830
Not at all. This is just the first explicitly 40k force we've seen that are based on Mark III power armor. Those big flat armor plates presumably read as platemail to you.

>>52328407
Yes. You also have to deep strike in 8th by throwing your models at the table.

Do you guys think anything on the tabletop will come out of DoW III?

I'd like that Ork Warboss in the game to have rules, grapnel arm might be cool

>>52328829
Good. I can use my metal models for MAXIMUM DAMAGE.

>>52328832
Da's whot konveshuns are for ya git!

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>>52327520
>I only have 57 options available to me, abloo bloo
>My monobuilds have bikes and jetpacks and assault from deepstrike I'm so gimped
>Space marines...ork tier!

>>52327674
Good for orkz.

>>52328400

Wow, great counter point. You sure showed him. I bet he wasn't expecting to get called an autist.

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>orkz are a melee army!
>orkz are a shooty army!
>I2
>BS2

>>52328741
>let's let this ogryn write codexes

>>52328787

As a SoB player, I actually don't feel comfortable using the new rules because they're just so over the top powerful that I haven't even bought her yet. Plus, I hate hero hammer and would rather smash faces with my canoness.

>>52328901
He was on the 7e design team as well

>scared Space Marines will desert their units under the new morale rules
AND THEY SHALL KNOW NO FEAR!

>>52328679
in my headcannon a female marine would be indistinguishable from a male one after all the processing and modification takes place. Sex and Gender are human attributes, and the angels of death have surrendered their humanity to become living manifestations of the Emeperor's wrath.

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>>52328883
>I2
DOESN'T MATTER! DA AGE OF DA ORKS IS 'ERE!

WUT DO WEZ SAY TO DA GOD O' DEFF! NOT TODAY!

I hope they don't get rid of my guard characters. I want yarrick and Straken still

>>52328940
I'm willing to bet that Marines will have the option to have the entire squad back up 6" and regroup instead or something.

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>>52328557

Still not as unhealthy for the game as Phil "Eldar lose? What a ruse!" Kelly

>>52328950
Thank you for your worthwhile headcannon contribution.

>>52328940
>New morale rules
>Literally the old rule for Fearless

>>52328977
>>52328950
>headcannon
>not head canon
>FUCKING HEAD CANNON

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Dante book anyone?

>>52328901
Doesn't he hate nids because he got shitstomped at a tourney by a Nidzilla list?

>>52329003
My post was several layers of ironing.

>>52328966
>tfw I started collecting IG because of the Tanith 1st and Only books back in late 4th - early 5th edition, but the squat the regiment's special character.
>tfw most likely still won't get Tanith back in 8th despite Trazyn letting them out of his collection to help defend Cadia.

>>52329024
P much

>>52329015
No, only whining, shitposting and meta shitposting about whining and shitposting.

>>52328940
They didn't in 2E. This is all they seem to be doing. Is making an updated 2E. AoS is literally 40k 2E for Fantasy.

>>52329015
I bought the physical CE, so I'm not going to scan it, sorry.

>>52329015
close your mouth, Dante, you catch flies in yer mouth like that.

>>52328711
Email FW and get the response, then show it to your friends. EZ PZ

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>>52329003
>>52328977
Did someone say head canons?

>>52328975

Bullshit. Kelly actually has fun fluffy rules. If every dex was a Kelly dex the world would be dandy.

Dark Eldar question:

Is it worth using a Purge Coterie, aka the SC! formation? It doesn't actually seem that bad, especially since the warriors can be upgraded to Trueborn.

>>52328996
D6 rather than 2D6. Also this seems to remove models rather than causing wounds, so no saves.

So no. Not "literally".

>>52329180
If you are pure DE the only detachment you really want are Realspace Raiders for the FA slots.

>>52328996
>literally not even close
Nice try though

>>52329180
It's meh, not op not terrible. You do want splinter racks and splinter cannon true born to make it more annoying.

>>52329180
It's almost perfect for a blaster born insertion squad
Archon with webway key and blaster
Trueborn with four blasters
Raider with shields
They deepstrike in and throw 5 blasters at whatever you want deleted.

Oh, and some bikes which are always ok I guess.

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Thoughts?

>Removed Skitarii, Vendetta sponsons and changed sniper Scouts
>Added lascannon Devastators
Less dakka, more AV

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>>52329130
Those a mustache-guns.

>>52328931
god DAMNIT

What else did he debauch?
>He was on merkel's immigration cabinet as well
>he was a captain on the Sewol Ferry as well

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Man, Astra Militarum is so OP. They can ally with so many things, it's unfair.

>>52329327
I hear he had a brief stint as an anti-air operator for Russian separatists in Ukraine.

>>52329328
kek

Platoon Command Squads each need two Infantry Squads tho, no?

Can Celestine be taken as madatory HQ?

>>52329230
The word literally has been meaningless here for years now, it was appropriated early on to mean figuratively.

Yes, internet valley girls made Literally it's own damn antonym.

>>52329256
One thing to note if you do this, you won't be able to use the special ability when they arrive per reserves rule, they will be able to pref enemy on the following turn though.

Lads. I just fucking realised something.

Gathering Storm 3 ends with Girlyman going "Gloves are off, bitches. Get weapons out of vaults that make even the Chaos Gods shit their pants!".

And guess what IA14 is? It's a story about the Ad Mech using 30k weapons against Tau. Holy shit. GW has actually PLANNED something to make sense. Before it made no sense for them to do it. But now it makes sense.

>Ad Mech go to a Statis World where they stored all this 30k stuff
>Tau turn up
>Ad Mech activate the 30k stuff to fight the Tau
>Tau get their shit kicked in because they think at worst they're going to face Warhound Titans
>Instead they get Ordinatus, Ursusian things, Myrmidons, 30k Knight Titans and Warlords

If GW don't have this as the fluff, I'll be upset. But interesting that big diorama of Tau vs Ad Mech isn't actually set on Cyraxis, so maybe it's a moon or something, or maybe Cyraxis isn't the planet name but the system.

>>52327822
>fuall AoSification happening
>not causing massive shit storm
>hurr sure it's old rules newfag
No, they aren't going backwards, this is AoSification full trust, they got rid of the old rules to make AoS, they aren't taking shit back the old days they're are going with the AoS spin off, with base values to hit and wound like AoS, rending as AoS and all that shit, they are just pretending they aren't, but they have the intention to go full AoS.

>>52329358
People using that list builder have no real idea what they are doing.

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Random question but i have this in perfect condition except the box. Worth anything?

>>52329390
Probably not, but it looks cute!

How big is it?

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>>52329390
>Worth anything?
Yes.

>>52329389

>idiots using that dumb list builder to make meme lists don't know the rules

stop the presses!

>>52328567
What polls? How you know?

>>52328675
>What are retro thrusters?

>>52329358
Yeah they need and yes they can.

Can just drop 2 Lascannons for those squads in that case, though.

>>52329417
No need, just stop the replies and they'll go way.

>>52329355
>He was the only pilot on flight MH17 with a parachute

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Heidi deidy Emps Almighty Who the fuck are we?!
Psyker hating motherfuckers! ALWAYS SoB!

>>52329380
But it is old rules essentially. Sorry you weren't born when 2E came out.

But glad you'll be burning your models then and leaving the rest of us alone by quitting a hobby you probably play by buying recasts and torrenting books.

>>52329421
Probably a Facebook thing. Aside from talking to tournament organizers, that's their main vehicle for getting feedback from fans.

>>52329390
~$200 from the looks of it on ebay.

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>>52329380
Stop talking utter shite. Here is 2E rules. Oh, look at that. AoS Rending under a different name. Funny that.

Have a (You).

>>52329463
>simulacrum imperialis bo-staffs
nice. I hope the sisters get new types of units and stuff when they get re-released. I'd like to see some kind of heavy assault troops, something in superheavy armor with a mace and a shield. The Repentia are awesome but they die so fucking fast.

>>52329380
The fact that "chargers always strike first" is a rule proves they aren't going completely Age of Sigmar. The rule has no meaning within the context of the AoS combat phase.

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>>52329528
>>52329463
Stop it! SoB won't get updated. We've danced this dance for the last 10 years. It isn't happening. I'll believe it when I see it. We were told Q4 2016. It didn't happen. Then we were told February 2017. It didn't happen. Then March 2017. It didn't happen. Lady Aita said she has no clue when they're coming, if at all.

GW can't be oblivious to the situation, so perhaps something will happen. But until we see them, it's best not to think of anything happening.

>>52329519
>I was arguing that barring those very few formations and unit combinations a vast majority of Space Marine units are incredibly underperforming.
When you have a total of 54 different units and a whopping 8 are used outside of busted formations or for tax purposes, you have a fucking problem, especially when you have over 30 different formations and detachments and only a very minor group of those is viable.

Space marines are below ork tier and need a buff.

>>52327520 spells it out clearly

>>52329470
>>52329519
I know those rules existed back then but you're in complete denial if you truly believe they'll use the old rules instead of the AoS version, we all know how GW works and they'll go the easy way and use the AoShitmar version of everything not 2-3 ed

>>52329562
>But until we see them, it's best not to think of anything happening.
Maybe for you. I like thinking about it. And I'm confident they'll be out sooner rather than later. The light at the end of the tunnel is there, you just have to look

>>52329582
>AoShitmar

Oh you're that guy. I need to get greasemonkey to filter you.

>>52329577
>still shitposting with that
Man, you suck at arguing.

>>52329595
just get 4chanx my dude

>>52329595
>that guy
Totally different anon here, Shitmar is the generally accepted term by the majority.

The game fucking sucks and most people know it, stop being a faggot.

>>52329519
I really wonder how they're going to change power armor. 3+ being garbage in 2nd Ed. was the biggest impetus for the AP system in 3rd. Ed. Maybe power armor will become 2+ and Termies will go back to 3+ on 2D6.

>>52329595
4chan X has it's own filter,
just put /AoShitmar/i in the filter section under comments.

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>>52329602

Actually from the way you ran away from the last thread and managed to lose each one of your points, you're the one that sucks at arguing.

>>52329614
Kek, they're probably not thinking about it that hard.

If you really think the same design team that made current edition 40k is going to be smart about the next edition you're hopelessly deluding yourself.

>>52329614
"Modifiers are haaaard" was the biggest impetus for the AP system in 3rd. Ed

>>52329428
For pussies without reinforced spinal columns and power armour.

>>52329613
Majority of people who hate it, sure. People who probably never touched the game in their life. But GW don't care about you, especially since AoS is back in the Top 5 selling wargames, when WHFB wasn't. Funny that.

>>52329577
>Spacemarines
>most represented faction
>ork tier

This is why space mariners will always be the autists of 40k

>>52328325
yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dl0OtWqCa0

How does guilliman's power level compare to that of eldar leadership? Not Avatar of khaine or whatever, just like their political/military leaders.

I'm wondering if the eldar leaders went "oh, shit" when they heard guilliman woke up and is trying to fix humanity.

>>52329622
I haven't even posted in this entire thread and left the old one sometime around it reaching page 5 because most of your responses were to someone else already. You've been arguing with another person you moron.

Ironic shitposting is also still shitposting and bringing stupid arguments from the old thread over to the new, way too early created one is pure fucking cancer. There is literally no reason to even bring that shit up here anymore.

>>52329607
I might have to. /tg/ has become impossible in these last few months.

>>52329619
Yeah but I never wanted to have to, but it's the same old same old day in day out.

>>52329380
>doesn't understand that people fully understand 40k is getting sigmarized
>doesn't understand that this is why people are happy
>grognards everyone

>>52329644
Yeah funny how a game that actually gets support can be successful.

But I don't really give a shit about AoS or WHFB, 40k is their only IP that matters.

>>52329665
>people are happy
Literally only Ork players are happy about these garbage morale and charging changes.

Everyone is pretty excited about movement values and armour modifiers but that's because we've been asking for these things for fucking ages, since long before AoS was even a thing.

We don't need this fucking battleshock garbage and dumbed down initiative shit though.

>>52329666
What? Fucking WHAT? You think 8th Edition didn't have support? 14 fucking factions got shit loads more models. The only ones who didn't get an 8th edition update with more models were Bretonnia. Did you even fucking play the game?

But you're right. 40k is the only IP that matters. But AoS is selling way better than GW expected.

>>52329661
No in-lore comparison is ever made so you're forced to rely on over-represented primarch crunch vs Autarchs "eh they exist I guess".

>>52329613
>by the majority
Hate to break it to you grognard, but you are the minority

>>52329661
You read the book? They actively were the ones involved bringing him back.

and yes they know the primarchs returning could be what humanity needs to save itself

>>52329635
No. Not really. Simplification was a factor, certainly that's the case for dropping range modifiers and turning cover into a save rather than a shooting modifier. However AP isn't really any easier or faster than armor save modifiers. Having played at the time it was absolutely sold as a way of restoring the iconic Space Marine armor to prominence. Power armor in 2nd. Was considered a joke.

>>52329614
It will be like AoS. Instead of AP, weapons will have a rend value that subtracts from saves. Termies will probably just ignore rend -1 and possibly -2. There are AoS units with rules like this now.

Everything they've announced they're working on for 40k exists in AoS. Until we get more info, I'm going to assume those things will work the same way in both games.

>>52329687
>dumbed down initiative shit though.
Who says it will?
It might just be that they add actual depth to it, instead of "eldar go first but not dark eldar because they don't get no fucking grenades"

>>52329705
>he actually believes this
Have you stepped foot in a LGS lately?

I have 2 of them I frequent and a third I go to on occasion. NONE of them have a real AoS presence, it's a dead game and everyone derides it. Lots of people have been talking about selling their 40k models and quitting if 8th ed AoSifies the game.

>>52329665
>doesn't understand that people fully understand 40k is getting sigmarized

Partially. If 40k ends up with only 4 pages of rules I will print them out and eat them.

>>52329687
Wrong, it's basically just you and the other grogs that are upset and bitching

>>52329666
8th edition had the most new models per army ever.

Lizardmen got, for example: New Carnosaur model, Troglodon, Bastilidon, new Terradacytl models, Ripperdactyl models, new Skink Priest, Tetto'eko model, new flyer character model I forget his name, Gorock model, new Oldblood model.

10 new models. That's not 'no support', mate.

>>52329710
Power armour in 7th. isn't even considered, it's just a default.

>>52329735
The grenade thing sure needs to be fixed but the whole "charging units go first" as a core mechanic is completely unnecessary, just give Ork boyz a bonus to initiative when charging as a unit special rule. Holy shit, fixed, without breaking the core for every other fucking army.

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mfw theyre trying to make the games compatible with each other ala warmachine

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>>52329741

>>52329741
My LGS is AoS with a very small 40k.

You're just retarded and think your personal experience in your shanty town is indicative of the game.

>>52329687
>dumbed down initiative shit though.
Initiative is still there. The charger just gets to strike first on the turn of the charge. Fuck man, we don't even know if chargers will still get an extra attack.

>>52329752
>lying on the internet
Mate please go tell that to every regular at both of the stores I attend including all the new kids who started 40k in 6th or 7th and don't even have any beard on their neck yet

>>52329741
>doesnt understand that GW is a business and does what will make them money
>doesn't understand that making money = giving people what they want
>doesnt understand that crybaby grognards are the irrelevant minority

>>52329775
>shanty town
I live in a major city, how the fuck do you think I have 3 stores I go to

There are more Warmachine and Battletech players where I go than AoS players. The only time I see people buy AoS models is to convert and kitbash them into 40k, which actually helps explain a lot of the sales - this is probably going on everywhere. As soon as GW fucks the rules for 40k too you're going to see the results in their stock.

Why the Fuck do you fucking faggots freak out about everything like you have autism.

We don't fucking now anything yet, go back to playing 5th edition. No one liked your Blood Angel army anyways.

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>>52329741
>>52329787
Now shut the fuck up and talk about 40k.

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So i haven't been here in years since those two madmins went on a banning rampage...

Robert girlyman is back? what did he do?

>>52329787
Just leave already, you Fucking wankers would be bitching regardless of what gw does. You aren't welcome here anymore, go find another board from 2005 that you can shit up

>>52329773
>hurrr anecdotal evidence your actual observations in real life are wrong my opinion on the internet is more valid
Okay retard

>>52329816
Okay. I go to two stores as well, and they both have thriving AoS/40k scenes.

See the problem with anecdotal evidence?

>>52329726
>Everything they've announced they're working on for 40k exists in AoS.
Chargers strike first?

>>52329831
See >>52329825 you utter fucking melt. That trumps your

>b-b-b-b-ut MUH experience is the norm!

>>52329830
There are more people that dislike AoS here than people that defend it.

Guess you're the faggot who's gonna have to fuck off to a new safe space.

>>52329816

>"""major city"""

How's Kansas City

>>52329761
As is it's better to hang back, shoot more, jsj/run, fire overwatch, potentially see en enemy fail charger AND EVEN THEN strike first.

Chargers getting ASF gives an inventive to charge even for non-assault based high initiative units.

>>52329825
>40k is still doing far better
>lets bring its rules down to AoS tier so we can sink it below Warmachine
GW logic

>>52329856
>less people liking AoS than disliking it
>in the 40k general
WOW what a magnificent surprise!

>>52329826
Got fucked about a lot by Chaos but eventually successfully reached Terra with the help of Cypher. Who he promptly threw into the Custode's inescapable prison.

He has an Aeldari gf now too.

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>>52329662
Yeah sure thing just keep projecting what happened to you unto others it works great.

Btw keep pretending I'm the ork anon if that helps sooth your groggy trauma.
>Space marines are ork tier
>get roasted by half the thread
>b-but you are the one who is bad at getting his point across!
Top kek.

>>52329826
>haven't been here in years
>posting a SoB picture done by yangzhey in 2016 that was posted regularly on 4chan

>>52329856
Or you can stop shitting up 40kg with your butthurt that people enjoy something you don't like? I don't play AoS, but I'm fucking fed up of you fucking cunts shitposting in every 40kg about AoS. Piss off yourself, you're cancer.

>>52329821
because they're retarded, I told a guy that was REEing about 40k being AoS'd this and he basically told me "WELL BELL OF LOST SOULS SAID IT SO ITS TRUE"

its fuggin crazy

>>52329848
>I tell people that even Warmachine is more popular than AoS here
>Guy posts evidence that supports my point
>Somehow this makes me wrong
See what that chart is missing is the percentages.

Around here it's like 20% X-Wing, 70% 40k, 9% Warmachine, 1% AoS

>>52329857
Try East Coast, nigger

>>52329881
Bell of Lost Souls is TMZ of Warhammer.

Your friend is retarded.

>>52329869
Fantasy had been a non seller for years up until they AoS'd it. I imagine their logic is "We'll be the king forever if we do this!"

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>>52329869
>>52329891
You do realise WHFB wasn't in the Top 5 since 2013, right?

>>52329872
Oh neat time for power of TRUE bureaucracy then. Why did he throw Cypher in jail anyways?

>>52329871
So then what exactly is your argument?
>a-all you grognards who totally make up the massive fucking majority are just outdated! age of s-sigmar will do better without you just wait and see!

>>52329876
Sure thing, anon. I'm totally projecting with all these replies to me.

Also
>still implying anyone arguing for Space Marines ever claimed they're worse than Orks
You sure must love (You)s to keep bringing thread quality down that much still.

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>>52329908
Forgot pic

Is grognard the new cuck?

>>52329905
Space Marines outsold WHFB.

The only people who liked it was the 5 people in the WHFB general

>>52329905
>WHFB being relevant ever
Who fucking cares? So they released a new fantasy that's more financially successful and still shit, that's reason to sink 40k down to its level? What is even your point?

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>>52329463
Damn you Captain SOBel. I'm not running up Mount Kekahee in full power armour again.

>>52329908
He didn't trust Cypher for a second, and cypher escaped btw

>>52329411
a dollar...for Games Workshop merchandise? IS THIS REAL LIFE

>40K IS SHIT WE NEED TO CHANGE IT
>ok
>REEEEEEEE WHY DID YOU CHANGE IT

t. 40k general

>>52327674
make one of the gunz units anti air. remember it works vs. skimmers as well.

>>52329891
Why do you need %? AoS is selling better than WHFB was. That's all you need.

>>52329911
But AoS is selling better than WHFB. So, why would GW be upset? If you wanna be butthurt, fair play, but sadly your meme that AoS is disliked is not backed up by anything other than your anecdotal evidence, where as sales reports put AoS doing better than WHFB.

>>52329936
My point is he claimed people do not like AoS. I was pointing out that AoS is selling better than WHFB. WHFB wasn't even in Top 5 since 2013. Ergo, his claim based on his anedotal evidence is wrong. People obviously do like it, or it wouldn't have shot up to 4th place.

It can be shit, you can not like it, but the claim nobody else likes it is not supported by anything other than your fee fees.

>>52329860
>Chargers getting ASF gives an inventive to charge even for non-assault based high initiative units.
>grav killing everything gives incentive to take grav even for non-devastator based marines
>Riptides being cheese gives incentive to take them even for non-Tau armies
Do you see the problem here?

>>52329959
It's a minority bitching about that tho

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>>52329825

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>>52329942
Running?! Grunt that's heretic talk! Where's your faith!

>>52329968
>Why do you need %? AoS is selling better than WHFB was. That's all you need.
Except this isn't a discussion about fantasycucks, it's the 40k thread.

40k is already doing better than AoS. There's no reason to shit its rules up with AoS shit.

Why do you keep bringing up this irrelevant WHFB red herring bullshit?

>FUCKING JEW DOUBLE JEWS! 7TH IS SHIT! SHIIIIT! CHANGE IT NOW!

>Okay

>NO NOT LIKE THAT. CHANGE IT TO MY SPECIFIC WAY.

>B-but you don't even know how we're going to change it...

>YOU'RE TOTALLY GOING TO DO THIS THING. BECAUSE THING I DON'T LIKE IS SELLING BADLY ACCORDING TO ME AND NOBODY LIKES IT ACCORDING TO ME SO THAT MEANS A BUSINESS BASED ON PROFITS IS GOING TO COPY SOMETHING THAT ISN'T SELLING. THAT'S LOGIC!

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>>52329913
Hello grognard my old friend, I've come to laugh at you again, because the 40k rules changing, and is making it worth playing, but not for you cause your stuck living in the past, and that won't last, within the age of emprah

>>52329256
>>52329255

Thanks. I might try it out, then.

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I hope they restructure summoning in 40k to the way it's used in AoS, honestly. I love the fluff concept of summoning daemons but hate how it currently works with essentially giving free points to one player for very limited risk.

In my understanding AoS psykers summoning is risk free, but the actually units able to be summoned are paid for as 'reinforcement points (i think) and so it becomes more of a tactical deep striking toolbox from which you choose the best unit to put on the field for the task you want to perform without gaining a strict points advantage. More like mid game list tailoring.

>>52329959
It's really just AoS hate and fear rubbing off. They don't want four page 40k. Anyone arguing against changes purely from a purely "dumbing down" standpoint in the abstract is incredibly out of touch.

>>52329968
>My point is he claimed people do not like AoS. I was pointing out that AoS is selling better than WHFB. WHFB wasn't even in Top 5 since 2013. Ergo, his claim based on his anedotal evidence is wrong. People obviously do like it, or it wouldn't have shot up to 4th place.
Your point is that more people like AoS than the dozen people that still played fantasy. Except that has nothing to do with the discussion that basically no one likes AoS in comparison to 40k, which is what this thread is about.

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>>52329821

>why are you autists acting like autists

>>52329860
>Chargers getting ASF gives an inventive to charge even for non-assault based high initiative units.

Except now high-initiative units don't have that high initiative mattering.

This isn't something like '+1 initiative on the charge', so that guardsmen might try to charge marines in an attempt to strike at the same time and deny them their extra attacks from charging.

This just makes that high initiative flat out not matter, because if you charge you strike first and if you get charged you strike last. It doesn't give an incentive to high initiative units to charge any more than it gives anyone else an incentive to charge.

>>52329979
Kek. Did you just make that?

>Rending? In MY 40k? It's more likely than you think!

>>52329971
That not every army has access to grav and riptides?

Mele isn't the best thing ever, but it should always be preferable to charge an enemy than take a charge, unless you've dedicated anti-charge mechanics/weapons.

>>52330005
There's no reason to hate AoS since it made Warhammer Fantasy infinitely more popular.

Again, the SPACE MARINE faction outsold ALL of WHFB

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>>52329944
Cypher always escape though.

Why throw him in jail? Wanted to do something bad? Robert ain't exactly an unreasonable guy.

>>52329992
I like the changes they announced so far, though, shitposter-kun.

>>52329989
My point is exactly that. Thank you for getting it. Why would GW change something as drastically as you shitposters claim when 40k is doing better than AoS? GW only wanted AoS to do better than WHFB. It is. End of. But 40k is still doing better, so WHY WOULD THEY COPY AGE OF SIGMARS RULES YOU FUCKING CRETINS?

>>52329996
Summoning and Reserves in AoS having two important details about them

Summoned units and units in reserves are not selected in advance as in 40k. Instead, points are allocated. This means you can use summoning to slightly tailor your list

However, summoning carries this risk that a portion of your army will show up late, and a very fast or long range army might snipe or crowd your wizards to make summoning challenging

>>52329908
Got freaked out by his sword. It's not allowed in the Emperor's presence apparantly. Not explained why.

>>52330023
>Mele isn't the best thing ever, but it should always be preferable to charge an enemy than take a charge, unless you've dedicated anti-charge mechanics/weapons.
It already is, because charging units get more attacks and if you charge the enemy you deny them their extra attacks.

Letting guard strike before daemons and tyranids is fucking retarded.

>>52329992

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4

>>52329841
Well I guess not technically. But they can. If it's your turn you pick who goes first so you could pick the charging unit if you wanted.