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Pathfinder General /pfg/

Location, Location, Location Edition
Tell us about the cool cities, dungeons, villages, and other exciting locales you and your party have visited.
Also, what locations would you like to see and visit in Golarion?

Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/hAfKSnWW

Avowed Playtest 1: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5HkyGRtGZy3SWVhdWFBWERWWjg
Avowed Playtest 2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rV7kaF9JL2gw9xQalkEnlEDL9WXtbsaCqNABm_pLIgc/edit?usp=sharing

Spheres of Might playtest:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/160bWvYewTwEXj9ZZv-jJ9-VrvGpYNHNcF8w6BMsdqgU/edit#

Sphere of Power playtest:
Creation Handbook Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kitAB8sHgmuD3fvOMuI_KyV_dxpO2wrxQmbnCoRgglA/edit?usp=sharing
Dark Handbook Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zHRZyaMh_QwWcQ-ROGCjQyCdflD6cbm9VdEOJMpC06I/edit?usp=sharing
Life Handbook Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wTv7VGj2qzjGnReD1lLRwC8iNG_G6f-a6XzMQlTB1yM/edit?usp=sharing
Mind Handbook Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kp4acH7zTk4e3DfPdYDfTk1jJClly3yp27Jfrf3FRWw/edit?usp=sharing

Gear of Power Playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zIomq0TFP7uPdlFB8VRAIWQEjAXLV5CYpP3HmjySynU/edit?usp=sharing
Wild Magic Handbook: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xBfoH6YcTdD3kwjn3ikItWPBGzIm9g3SVkVvUQD1yUw/edit?usp=sharing
Wild Magic Tables: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NU5bK1Dyzu66KgIdrHNaaXBw1eHVpcHZHOh5BDaxMzU/edit?usp=sharing

Bloodforge Infusions updated playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GvwMclLSw15slYI7D5xLdjMzr-Nau92hNha9Sx0LOk4/edit#

Old Thread: >>52310960
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Does anyone know where to find decent character sheets for PoW classes that isn't the 2 page paizo page?
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>>52316512
Just wanna go to the Elemental Planes and I'll probably get turned into a fire lamia or something I mean I was warned that was a thing that could happen if I go to the Plane of Fire.
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>>52316620
I want to meet Feronia!
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>>52316640
I want to marry Feronia and give Ragathiel a baby sister!
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Why does every upcoming 1pp and 3pp work seem so fucking bad?

Where did we go wrong?
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What should I apply to, Legacy of Blood and Fire or Shardwalkers? If both, which one first?
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>>52316730
I want Feronia to bless me!
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>>52316512
What if you are sent to Golarion with mechanical knowledge of the world? What would you do?

CASUAL MODE: 3PP ALLOWED
EASY MODE: COMMON HOUSERULES ONLY, PoW AND SPHERES
HARD MODE: 1PP ONLY + COMMON HOUSERULES
IMPOSSIBLE MODE: 1PP ONLY
DANTE MUST DIE: PFS ONLY
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>>52316620
>get turned into fire snek
>when you retire, take up residence in a forge somewhere
>a handsome smith uses your tail as a crafting implement
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>>52314780
Actually, you read it wrong. The monster that attacks Pene and kills her father IS a Tome Monster. Neither of them used the tome or meet the merchant, they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time when a manifestation happened where they planend to spend the night.
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>>52316774

Bless you with what, anon? She's got an awfully specific portfolio!
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I want to see the Monster Hunter book. I need to know how they fuck it up. I need to lay to rest the dream of a companion ooze girl and of having nice things for alchemist
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>>52316788
Fucking die to the first orc that comes along, because all real-life people on this board are rusty dagger shanktown 1st level commoners.
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>>52316742

We have entered the End Times.

Rejoice, my brother, and bless the golden dawn that awaits us.
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>>52316640
Keep in mind that befriending Feronia may lead to you becoming an intermediary between her and Dispater.
>>52316788
>isekai
pls go
Depends where I show up. Probably head for Taldor, Molthune, or Druma.
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>>52316774
ill rek u m8
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>>52316804
fertility obviously
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>>52316772
Legacy of Blood closes like, a day earlier? So I guess that first then Shardwalkers. The latter will take longer to finish anyways.
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>>52316788
Are you asking us to stat ourselves using those rules or what?
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>>52316830
We shall die and become as gods!
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>>52316824
You're a level 1 human though anon. You've got two feats. Run and Endurance, and just flee for your life.
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>>52316788
I usually build by PFS rules, I'll just optimize to get by and hang out in one of the cities where nothing ever happens.
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>>52316824
Make quaterstaffs which cost no gold until you have enough to start making latter, said said ladders until you have enough points to retrain into a a PC class.
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>>52316870
I'm asking what would you do in such a world where you know those rules are in play, including knowledge of the lore, deities and whatnot.
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>>52316855

No! You're supposed to ask Shelyn for that!

Feronia's just going to supercharge your ovaries and make you have triplets!
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>>52316898
That's good too. Both is good.
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>>52316874
>me
>Endurance

HA HA HA HA HA
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>>52316891
>including knowledge of the lore, deities and whatnot.

Best case scenario, I earn a free meal at the local tavern because my yarn of a tale is so hilarious.

Worst case scenario, I get poison in my porridge for knowing something I shouldn't.

Likely scenario? People think I'm a weirdo and I become the wise old janitor that seems to know everything just when you need to know it, except I'm a dung collector.
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>>52316861
Good point.

I guess it's time to open to a random page of One Thousand Nights and a Night to get a character idea. I really hope I get Morgiana.
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>>52316619
Here anon, this song has been kicking around my noggin for a while
https://youtu.be/6ul-cZyuYq4

And if you don't want this one, I have this instead
https://youtu.be/tH09QWyhekw

If you want something weirder, I have this.
https://youtu.be/s2L4hL2IvUk

Or if you'd rather something depressing
https://youtu.be/cwIsAttR6-E

OR something more lighthearted than my previous selection.
https://youtu.be/7mdIWaRi-7c

Or, another classic that can be made for many things
https://youtu.be/ZEWwZNUafKo

And as a final bit, something for those characters with conviction
https://youtu.be/i3MXiTeH_Pg

How you like this selection of tunes?
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>>52316788
Apprentice to a bard for a while and try to find a patron with cash to burn. An adventurer might be acceptable if they're not going to expect me to go into anything dangerous.

Hopefully I'll earn some XP, learn a few spells, and be able to make some connections before I think about trying to get back home.
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>>52316898
I want to ask Shelyn for her hand in marriage!
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>>52316931

>That Bowie

Yes.

YES.

Thank you anon!

[Anon will remember this +5]
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>>52316788
1. Is the blood money spell allowed?

2. Is the Sacred Geometry feat allowed?

3. Is the Fey Obedience (Magdh) feat allowed?
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>>52316940

N-No! You can't!

Shelyn is the Eternal Virgin, she can't be married to anybody! Besides, you don't want an old maid full of troubles like her, right? I'm sure Shelyn will help you find a nice, local girl that will give you the love and babies you need! That's just as good!
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>>52316992
But I don't want a local girl.

I want Shelyn.
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>>52316861
>Legacy of Blood closes like, a day earlier

Fuck yes. I hope I get in. Looking forward to seeing who makes the cut regardless. Legacy has really flown under the radar.
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>>52316959
Man Who Sold The World is a top tier album, and everyone should be required to listen to it. It just has so many good pieces!
Width of a Circle
All the Madmen
Savior Machine
Running Gun Blues
The Man who Sold the World

Its just a perfect album
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>>52316982
Only in Casual mode
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>>52317009

What if Shelyn helped you find a girl that looks exactly like Shelyn, with a lovely personality that just brings warmth and happiness to the home you build with her?
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>>52317009
You can't. Shelyn is for Zon-Zon.
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>>52317046

Delete this.
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>>52317038
So she helps me find herself? That's kinda roundabout, but as long as I end up with Shelyn I don't mind.

>>52317046
ZON-ZON CAN HAVE BON-BON!

YEAH! I SAID IT!
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>>52316992
But how can the Goddess of Love deny my love for Her? She must know that the feeling is genuine.
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>>52317036
All 3 of those are 1pp tho?
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>>52317061
Bon-Bon would probably be down for that. Getting him to smile would be a real challenge.
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>>52317046
>Incest
NO! That's forbidden love!
Begone Naderi! Get thee hence!
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>>52317072
Fair point.
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>>52317058
Don't deny your feelings, my son. You must embrace Her as you have always desired.

And please, refill my water bowl.
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>>52317061
>>52317071

The love just cannot be! Shelyn is the matchmaker, not the match!

And she does not bring you to her, she brings you to a woman that looks like her and with a sweet, compatible personality.

I wonder how the women of the Tandak Plains look.
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>>52317012
Who're you hoping to get in with?
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>>52317038
Would it be possible to play as a girl that looks exactly like Shelyn in a WotR campaign?
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>>52317061
>ZON-ZON CAN HAVE BON-BON!
>YEAH! I SAID IT!


Zon-Zon is pure! PURE! He would never lie with such a frivolous harlot!
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>>52317120
But I don't want a cheap imitation. ;_; It's not the same.
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>>52317152
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Quick! I need a list of utility maneuvers/stances from the following disciplines!
Black Seraph, Eternal Guardian, Fool's Errand, Golden Lion, Iron Tortoise, Primal Fury, Riven Hourglass, Scarlet Throne, Solar Wind, Steel Serpent, Veiled Moon.
It doesn't need to be fast or comprehensive, I just want some idea of which of these are useful outside a fight.
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>>52317132

Yes! Not only can you look like a girl that looks exactly like Shelyn, you could be Shelyn's daughter, beget through immaculate conception or the womb of a blessed faithful!

>>52317163

>Cheap imitation

Anon... Don't you think that's kind of mean to the girl Shelyn introduced you to? She's lovely and sweet, and will warm your heart as much as your bed. You will be happy with her.
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>>52317132
>>52317120
Shelyn appears as whatever is most attractive to the viewer. She has no set appearance.
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>>52317061
>ZON-ZON CAN HAVE BON-BON!
That is not the established ship, REEEEEEEEEE!
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>>52316788
There's no way back home.
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>>52317132
>>52317191

I think what the anon would be asking in this case is, "my character is the feminine ideal for my birth culture," which in this case would either be Taldan (which is standard Shelyn) or Kellid...

... What would the feminine ideal for the Kellid people look like? Plump, large-breasted and motherly?
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>>52317182
I'd rather play as Zon-Zon's daughter.
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>>52317248
Ooooh! I like this concept. What class?
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>>52317201
IT IS NOW!

ZON-ZON AND BON-BON SITTING IN A TREE!

>>52317182
I'm sure she's a nice girl, but I'm in love with my goddess, not with who or what she looks like.
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>>52317260
Eh...it depends on what she's like. We need to decide who her mother is first, I think. I'm having a very difficult time imagining Zon-Zon doing classic, sexy magical dude shit and just knocking up a chick and taking off without imprisoning said chick in his hellish rape dungeon for all time, so the usual Zeus origin for these sorts of gals doesn't really seem workable.
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>>52317239
Probably more lean muscled actually.
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>>52317295
>>52317295
>We need to decide who her mother is first,
BON
BON
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>>52317270
F-L-A-Y-I-N-G
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>>52317226
but is there honor?
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>>52317239
>What would the feminine ideal for the Kellid people look like?
Amiri the Iconic Barbarian
So the question remains, would you?
I would an Amiri
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>>52317270
No Anon, Bon-Bon must stay pure for Sakara.
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>>52317299

We don't know if that's just due to the nature of their situation or a cultural thing, since the Kellid people have only been scavenging wanderers for a century.
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>>52317335
Isn't Amiri's backstory that she's disliked by her tribe for being unwomanly?
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>>52317352

Amiri's backstory is that she wants to be a warrior in a misogynist tribe that insists she must be a breeder, even after she proves to be the greatest fighter in the tribe.
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>>52317338
No Anon, Bon-Bon must stay pure for monster breeding
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>>52317391
Why would they breed monsters together? Are they trying to domesticate them?
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>>52317124

Ahhhh, I'm not going to shill my character. But it's been one of the more sane games here of late, especially compared to Pseudopseudohypoparathyroidism Lymphadenopathy Discountenancer.
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>>52317391

What are the ~hottest ships~ for that game, anyway?

Please don't dedicate an entire post to responding to this, just do it as a side-thing so the thread isn't cluttered.
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>>52317333
How am I supposed to know that, I've never been isekai'd to Golarion before!
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>>52316926
I got Princess Parizade. This could be cute. I'll see what I can do by April (though hopefully I'll come up with something fun this weekend and get it submitted on Sunday.)
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>>52317417
You don't have to mention your character, silly. I want to know the other 5 you want to play with.
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>>52317421
Despite the game being what it is, there's been very little shipping. I think most of the PCs are just poorly equipped for it. Half of them are geared for monster rape and the other half are geared for monster hunting.
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What's the NPC cast like in Legacy of Fire?

I only hear /pfg/ talking about Sandpoint and Reign of Winter most times, I'm curious to hear if anybody has any stories. And if there's any potential waifus or husbandos.
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>>52317391
No, you won't soil my dreams of those two twisting themselves into a lewd pretzel. With my dick in the middle.
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>>52317550
If it means that much to you, just PM the players and talk about running some little side game of your own.
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>>52317550
Lewd Pretzel Dickings?
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>>52317537
The one super obvious waifu is pretty much introduced with, "you can do whatever the fuck you want with this character DM."
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>>52317550
Sakara actually seems pretty pure so I think your dream was sort of doomed to fail from the start
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>>52317577
Any hints on who that is?
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>>52317622
Gotta corrupt the innocent, Anon.

>>52317421
Gloriana x muh dick
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>>52317483

Hmm. Five? Tarani Audra, Shanan al-Kelmarayn, Iuni al-Rajiyah, Sakara, Aida Sulqet. At a glance.
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>>52317638
It's not really a spoiler, but see there's this trait called Finding Haleen. At some point during the campaign, you find Haleen and now you can waifu her. There's pretty much nothing on her role and personality after that to my memory.
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>>52317537
Well, she's no Greta, but there might still be a waifu available if the GM hasn't written her out.

Hope you've got plenty of newspaper to put down.
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I feel like the lewd meme-games /pfg/ makes have slid from /h/ territory to /d/ territory.

You've changed /pfg/. you've changed.
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>>52317650
>Gotta corrupt the innocent, Anon.
Well her thing does seem to be self-discovery, she's kind of a blank slate, should be easy to turn her into a slut
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>>52317688
I've been waiting a looooong time for this.
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>>52317688
But war never changes.
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>>52317716
sauce?
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>>52317688
At some point it changed from "sex is something that happens, we're all adults, so it's there," to "sex is something that happens so let's base games around it."
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>>52317725
I wish I knew, I got it off another /tg/ thread and I haven't ever been able to find it.
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>>52317724
You say that, but war has indeed changed.
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>They had the best masters for the fine arts, geography, poetry, history and science, and even for sciences which are learned by few, and every branch seemed so easy to them, that their teachers were astonished at the progress they made. The princess had a passion for music, and could sing and play upon all sorts of instruments she could also ride and drive as well as her brothers, shoot with a bow and arrow, and throw a javelin with the same skill as they, and sometimes even better.

What's a good class to do all of these sorts of things?
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>>52317724
>>52317750
The war still rageth on!
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GUN TO YOUR HEAD.

Tell me what you would make for a Kingmaker campaign, both concept and classes! Assume Gestalt and 3pp allowed!
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>>52317769
Dex/cha or dex/wis font of inspiration + charlatanism hedgewitch.
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>>52317769
>What's a good class to do all of these sorts of things?

Slayer with a trait for Perform as a class skill.
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>>52317778
Alchemist/necro-wizard. They build the kingdom up on the backs of undead labour then retire to a quiet life as a mortician.
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>>52317778
An insane noble girl indoctrinated into an Urgathoan cult, of the bard class, with a penchant for cannibalism and depraved orgies.
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Is there a way to get more spells known as an oracle?

I know that there is an item that allows sorcerers to get more spells known (the loose spell page or whatever that is 1000gp for a 1st lvl spell and probably has some really costly scaling).
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>>52317808
>>52317814
The Pallid Princess wills it!
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>>52317736
>>52317725
Just google Penismith.

>>52317769
Investigator.

>>52317778
Bushi Warlord || Bard, a wandering noble who dabbled in the style of the swordlords before he found his calling as a musician.
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>>52317778
DSP Dragon//Warlord
A disguised-as-human whelp intent on carving his own kingdom.
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>>52317550
>>52317338
Well, I'd pretzel with Bon-Bon. But 3 is sort of a crowd, you know?

t. Sakara player
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>>52317778
But I'm already playing a Night Terror who is reverse trap king in social identity and alluring cat thief in vigilante identity, hoping to control the city's crime by infiltrating its circles.

If Gestalt is allowed I'd slap Avowed (Nation most thematic, Fey also strong choice) onto her and call it a day.
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>>52317778
Bushi Warlord | Hedgewitch
Was leader of mercenary group or in charge of some cool elite squad. Op goes south, people die, get captured, desert. Betrayal might have happened. Dude is left with little choice but to start again, but his heart just isn't there anymore. But he doesn't know how else to live.

Probably too edgy, but I like jetstream sam.
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>>52317803
>>52317804
>>52317839
What's a good Free VMC to go with these class suggestions and to fit the concept? Bard VMC was the first thing that jumped to mind because it's all about being a smart, inspirational person, which is quite appropriate.
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>>52317778

>tfw I can't think of an optimized set of classes to take for my concept
>concept is a master thief from Restov before getting a one-way ticket to the Stolen Lands
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>>52317839
>>52317863
>>52317886
Warlordmind
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>>52317863
Yessssss
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>>52317778
Just shoot me because you couldn't pay me to play a kingmaker campaign.
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>>52317778
Tiefling Cavalier or Warlord or Fighter, weeaboo nodachi-user in plate armor. Concept I've been mulling over for a while that seems to fit Kingmaker pretty well.
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>>52317725
>>52317736
It's literally called Penismith, anons...
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>>52317975
All Warlord party.
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How do scrolls work, exactly? I understand to use a scroll, I must make a UMD check of 20 + CL of the scroll.

If the scroll is on my spell list, then I do not need to make the UMD check (20 + CL), right? What if it is a CL 3 scroll and my current caster level is 1? I remember someone at the table mentioning making a caster level check for a scroll that was CL 6 when they were CL 2. What if I multiclass (say cleric 1 / Wizard 2), would my CL be 3 or would it be 1/2 depending if it is an arcane/divine scroll/spell?
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>>52318010
I-I've been googling "Penissmith Magician"...
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>>52318003
Ah, but what if you payed us, hmmm?
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>>52317778
Eddie Riggs as a Tiefling Sphere Skald||Bloodrager!

I'm going to support the nation, and handle the logistics to make sure the rest of the party are seen as heroes!
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>>52317778
King arthur style Inquisitor|Slayer, with some maneuvers in there for good measure
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>>52318062

>Eddie Riggs
>He introduces each party member with a gout of flame, a flash of lightning and a riff on his guitar, followed by a fanciful list of accomplishments (some exaggerated.)
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>>52317662
I bet this is Gamze.
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>>52318035
Why would I pay you to do something I don't like? Especially when it getting done does not benefit me in anyway.
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>>52318034
Just google penismith, or penismith doujin.

>>52317975
Kingmaker is the perfect game for a warlord, given the warlord's presence, cha focus, and combat prowess, all things needed for Brevic nobility.
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What are the int-based full initiators or initiating archetypes? Which of them would work well with magus? Does spellstrike+combat work with strikes?
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>>52318109
It'd be like taxes! What's not to like?
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>>52318131
No inittiator works well with Magus.

To answer your question they are
>warders
>harbingers
>Stalker(Vigilante)
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>>52317778
Yokai Kitsune merchant whose out of his league when it comes to adventuring
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>>52318099
Of course. A good roadie knows his whole life's job is to make someone else look good, keep someone else safe.

I had also considered, since Brevoy is known for Dragonblooded people, to instead drop Tiefling and make his bloodline Draconic instead.
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>>52318149
Everything?
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>>52318104

Ora? And why would you think that?
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>>52318131
Magus works well if you take a couple levels worth of Harbinger and go into Bladecaster PrC.
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>>52317778
A doomed Kellid with dreams of conquest. A wearer of tattoos, a cleaver of skulls, an eater of spells. We Fighter/Bloodrager now?
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>>52318131
>working with magus
>initiating

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA-no. It doesn't. Unless your DM rules that you can use Spell Combat with Full Attack strikes, you're shit out of luck. JUST LIKE ME!
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>>52318028
When you use a magic item, you use whatever the caster level of the item is, unless something specifically says otherwise.
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>>52318155
>>52318201
So I'm boned if I want to magic sword + initiate?
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>>52318233
Use soulknife. Make sure to use the "high psionics" option (aka 'Gifted Blade archetype for free"), then add on the war soul archetype for initiating, and any other compatible archetypes you like.
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>>52318233
No.

The vast majority of disciplines do that for you already.
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>>52318196
>an eater of spells.
Hex Eater Witch may work better for your caster half.

>>52318233
Some anon made a homebrew initiator archetype for the magus iirc
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>>52317009
Shelyn's after her brother, and she's got it *bad*

Zon cuts himself in hopes she'll be disgusted enough to finally stop, but it hasn't kept her from sniffing his underwear yet.
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>>52318187
It's suspicious but not unthinkable that someone would disclude the most visible character from their list. In most circumstances, even a person disliked Gamze, an on the spot decision would include some personal picks and then filler for the remaining slots. If not a personal pick, then someone would expect Gamze to be in the filler slots!

But what really makes this list of characters stand out is the commonality: Every character is heavily entrenched in a fantasy Arabia theme. So then one asks, why would the most popular brown girl in Legacy be discluded?

YOUR HONOR, I ACCUSE ANON OF IN FACT BEING GAMZE HERSELF!
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>>52318268
So here's a question then, is gifted blade + warsoul + psyarm soulknife too much to gestalt with a font + combat hedgewitch? Is combat tradition even a good idea?
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>>52318292
>spreading these filthy lies

The Midnight Lord will not let this go unpunished.
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>>52318292
She non-consensually seized his glaive with both hands, for crying out loud. That's some serious thirst.
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>>52318233
Your only hope is spamming boosts and counters. Really, aside from the autism of wanting magus on your sheet like I have there's no real reason to EVER play a magus, especially in a gestalt game with initiating. It can work if you really REALLY REALLY want it to, but you can pretty handily do Magus Gimmicks with the right combination of disciplines, so it's kinda moot.

I'M GOING TO MAKE IT WORK, DAMN YOU. EVEN IF I HAVE TO TAKE GREATER WEAPON FOCUS.
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>>52317778

Slayer || Hussar Warder

I'd post the rest but, sadly, phoneposting. General idea is making the Brevoyfag REEE by making a Garundi man.
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>>52318314
>>52318341
>those numbers
>that double post
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>>52318312
If it's not tier 2, it's not too much.
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>>52318325
My son, quit lying to these people. You love her desperately; you want to hold her tightly and never let go. Just accept your true feelings.

And scratch behind my ears. This itching is unbearable. You never know how much you'll miss your skin until it's gone.
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How loosy-goosy can we get with the Legacy of Blood and Fire campaign traits?
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>>52318358
>Four pools of resources
>Initiating on top
>still have bladeskills+secrets
It might be too much man.
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>>52318355

Kek has spoken, he must be made.
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>>52318388
And none of those abilities are particularly game breaking.

Welcome to having a not shitty gestalt.
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>>52318403
So non-shit gestalts are logistic nightmares, and shit ones are either full casters or fighter++?
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>>52318300

Do you think I'll just let that go, Wright?

Entrenched an fantasy Arabia? Isn't that the point? This is a game about Arabia itself! There's no basis here at all, clearly! Your honor, I think the point stands on its own merits.
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>>52318417
Correct!
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>>52318358
Psyarm should never be allowed to touch other archetypes save gifted blade at most. It's too damn strong on its own, the last thing it needs is access to boosts on top of it.
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>>52318417
If you consider that a logistical nightmare, I have some bad news.
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>>52316788
Maybe get one of those elixirs of sex shifting.
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>>52318388
>>52318417
>that
>a logistical nightmare

It's no high level wizard spellbook, that's for damn sure
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>>52318417
>, and shit ones are either full casters
I'm sick of this "muh fullcaster meme"

Full Casters/Manifesters are not bad in and off themselves.

It's the fucking spells they get. Gut the problem spells and they're fine.
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>>52318433
I don't know, having an arcane pool, inspiration, low psionics, initiating, mid sphere casting, and the panoply might be a bit much for a nigga who didn't know what int-based initiators there are.
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>>52318417
Don't have to be, but they can get a little extensive on the basic character sheet. I usually print it out in 'caster' format just to get the extra room, gives a nice place to group up all your maneuvers especially.

Gestalts with stuff like Aegis in it are quite good, and they're not necessarily nightmares; most Astral Suit setups are going to be your usual 'default' that you rarely swap out of, and even if you swap it's a temporary reconfiguration or the like. So you can mark most of it down practically the same way (include the CPt cost of course, and place it together so it's easy to find and work through) you would other clusters of class abilities.
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>>52318469
Trust me, you learn a lot when making a character. You'll learn assuming you aren't dumb.
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>>52318491
>implying I'm not
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>>52318469
Well don't combine so many your first time if you're still learning.

However, 1-2 subsystems, it's just a matter of learning them, and most subsystems are fairly straightforward, they just need to BE on your sheet.
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>>52318512
Sucks to suck, I guess.
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>>52318469
I was about to call bullshit on the Arcane Pool, but then I remembered you were a hedgewitch and I got really sad.

I should have just asked my GM, but I had to be a dumbass instead
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>>52317975
But a Night Terror isn't a warlord, it's a vigilantteee

How did you know I dipped 1 level in Warlord
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>>52318525
Hell yeah bruh
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What's a good VMC for a ranged Slayer?
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>>52318573
Divination wizard
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>>52318604
Divination wizard isn't fun
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>>52318566
>tfw I meant to quote the other warlord
>I get lucky with another warlord
k-keikaku doori
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>>52318622
VMC isn't fun or particularity useful outside of cheese.
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>>52318645
seconding

All the VMCs are kind of boring at best
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>>52318645
same for divination wizard
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>>52318622
Illusionist Wizard
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>>52317421
Is it okay for me to say who I would ship my character with? I'd ship Amelli with Sage or Bon-Bon if we yuri, and Lusicus or Lysander if we don't. She swings both ways. Amelli miiight a Sigmund if he were younger, but he was probably a different man when he was younger.

I put a surprising amount of thought into figuring this out, actually. I think ultimately what Amelli really needs in a partner is someone who can help anchor her, someone stable in such a chaotic world. She's got her own thoughts in mind for what she wants, but those ideas don't necessarily line with what she NEEDS.

>>52318028
First, no matter whether the scroll is of a spell on your list or not, you need to decipher the scroll. You can't cast a scroll you can't read, after all. But deciphering is easy. You can do it with a Spellcraft check (DC 20+spell level) or you can just cast Read Magic. Once you've deciphered the scroll, you can try to actually activate it any time.

If the scroll matches your type of casting (as in arcane/divine/psychic), is of a spell on your list, and your casting ability score is high enough to cast spells on that level, you can cast it without a check as long as your caster level is equal or higher to the scroll's. If your caster level isn't high enough, make a caster level check (DC = scroll's caster level +1) to successfully cast from the scroll; failing that check doesn't waste the scroll unless you get a mishap.

Now, if the spell isn't on your list at all, you need to pass a DC (20+CL of the scroll) UMD check to basically pretend it is on your spell list. If your ability score isn't high enough for spells of that level, you have to succeed on a UMD check against a DC of (15+the necessary ability score to cast spells of that level). If you don't have the spell on your list or a high enough ability score, you have to make both checks.

So in that scenario, no UMD needed. But you do need a CL check. Your bonus is your CL in that class.
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What do you think of this spell?

INCONVENIENT TENTACLES
School conjuration (creation); Level bloodrager 4, magus 4, sorcerer/wizard 4, summoner 3, unchained summoner 4, witch 4

This spell functions as black tentacles, except that the tentacles don't deal any damage. Instead, when the tentacles succeed in grappling a creature or succeed on a grapple check in following rounds, the tentacles attempt a steal combat maneuver against that creature using the same CMD.

Each time the tentacles attempt a steal combat maneuver, they attempt to steal a random item, in order of priority from loosely tucked items, to fastened items, to closely worn items. The tentacles can steal closely worn items (such as rings or garments) at +10 to the foe's CMD. Even items such as armor can be removed. Items that would normally take multiple rounds or longer to don gain the broken condition when stolen in this way.

Items stolen by the tentacles are dropped to the ground in the creature's space, but the creature can't retrieve any of these items while grappled by the tentacles, and any creature that attempts to retrieve them is subject to immediate attack by the tentacles.
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>>52318419
Objection!

You might have a point if we were talking about the game Edgeworth, but we're talking about a /pfg/ list! With all the autism involved!

The party as presented contains a Suli Unchained Monk, a Human Swashbuckler, a Tiefling Gunsmoke Mystic, a Vishkanya Eliciter, and a Catgirl Soulknife.

There's only one human in this Pathfinder party! And no INT characters! No one would make a full list without going autist. And there's one character who would pull this list together perfectly. SHOULD I TELL YOU EDGEWORTH?
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>>52318660
>I found a golden dvd buried in a hill in america!
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>>52318655
>divination Wizard
>not useful
>divination Wizard
>not fun
Do you not want an excuse to say "I knew that was going to happen" at every opportunity.
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>>52318573
Teleportation subschool wizard
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>>52318645
>>52318652
It's free in the game, so I have nothing to lose by taking it.
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How do I make the most occult Occultist?
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>>52318700
>removing all tension from a game by always knowing what happens next
>fun
>useful in not getting stabbed by a sane DM.
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>>52318573
Rogue, it's like getting accomplished sneak attacker four times.
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>>52318731
I honestly think forcing free VMC hurts the game more than helps it. Like fuck it's either useless +1's that I can't actually benefit from or shitty Paizo caster fluff and features that I don't want but have to now tack onto my character.
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>>52318767
It could just be free rage on a different melee martial class. That's not HORRIFIC.
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So I've heard a few times that PoW is polarizing. I that in all campaigns, gestalt, or just in /pfg/ where we know what to do?
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anyone know a place where i can
The Enhancer's Handbook
The Illuminator's Handbook
The Shapeshifter's Handbook
The Battlemage's Handbook
World of power
for no money :^)
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>>52318821
It's just polarizing.

I think the only 3pp I can say /pfg/ likes in general with any confidence is Psionics and Legendary Vigilante/Kineticist stuff.
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>>52318841
It's all on the wiki.
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>>52318681

Nngh. I don't think you have your facts in order, Wright! There's no clear lines of 'contradiction' here at all. Perhaps if you had some.. evidence?
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>>52318854
So if PoW is on the table, should one go for it?
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>>52318914
Absolutely. Just avoid Broken Blade and Piercing Thunder, as both are broken in the "too good" and "too bad" directions respectively.
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>>52318914
If you want to be a martial of any kind and PoW is available, you fucking take it, because there's really nothing in 1pp that can give you that level of versatility as a martial without fuckloads of autismal optimization.
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>>52318928
>>52318930
So why is it not liked? Are people into the whole "guy at the gym" thing with martials, despite wizards teleporting and being late-game naruto villains.
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>>52318869
The culprit doesn't want to shill their character, but think, normally if you didn't want to shill your character you could just name six in a random order and leave people guessing. This means that the character in question is someone who could be shilled. Someone who would call attention in a list like this!

The only characters of relevance to /pfg/ from Legacy are Gamze bint-Samiri and Sakara. Sakara is already on the list, and she has an alibi: During the time of posting she was makign pretzels with one Bon-Bon the Clown.

It's not the evidence that points to the true identity of the poster, but the lack of evidence! Anyone else would've just left their name on the scene, BUT ONLY GAMZE WOULD HAVE TO HIDE IT!
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>>52318970
PoW has the problem of having lots of cool options, but forgot that "more damage" is not something they actually needed that badly.
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Is there room in Legacy of Blood and Fire for a cute, exiled, Qadiran princess?
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>>52318993
But does the higher damage outweigh the cooler options and less "full attack/charge" playstyle of 1pp?
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>>52319000
Sure, sounds like she'd fit right in. Given that the GM's version of Katapesh is its own kingdom that's ostensibly been independent for its whole history, it could be interesting to think about her attitude towards it.

Does she find it wondrous and fun to travel this exotic land? Does she feel indignant at them being rivals of her home Empire? Does she envy their ability to stand on their own, as a nation?
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>>52319000
That sounds delightful.
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>>52318300
Because her themeing is generic and isn't actually related to the game's setting at all!
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>>52318841
SoP wikidot
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>>52319026
When people don't care about trying to autism out maximum damage? Yes, sure. But full attacks are still king, and there are some Earle combos that end up being full attack +1's before iteratives kick in.
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How annoying would it be to play with a maximum over-megumin tier SoP blaster? I want to explode things really well, but also not be 100% autismo.
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>>52318993
The issue is that if you're using single attacks, then yes "more damage" is something you need.

The issue is that boosts are a thing. I feel like so much of Path of War's shit could be fixed by
>killing Boosts
>converting them all into strikes
>changing all boosts into utility/not attack stuff.
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>>52319041
Obligatory question. You planning on looking over any more of the potential LoBaF crew?
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>>52319091
Yes.
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>>52319035
I feel like a combination of wonder and fun, a bit of envy at their independence, and some wistful longing for the homeland she can never return to would be in order. It would be truly wonderful if she could eventually find a new life for herself in Katapesh at the end of a big arc and maybe even find love!

Though I suppose she could always end up becoming Gnoll Dinner instead.

>>52319038
I thought so too. I'll try to put something together by the end of the weekend.
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>>52319071
Not at all really unless you plan on being a team killing fucktard, but that goes without saying.

Really, it depends on how you define Megumin. I'm really sick of people using that character as inpiration/term for blaster.
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>>52319085
Stances, as cool as they are in theory, REALLY DON'T HELP THINGS EITHER.
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>>52319103
It's Flavor of the Month fad shit. The dorks will move on eventually. They always do.
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>>52319103
I mean using four explosive orbs in one round and using soulfire and overcharge to fuel it and K.O. myself after the turn.
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>>52319103
I can't wait for Blaster Wizards to go away.
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>>52318979

Oh but Wright, are you sure just anyone would admit to being an autist? The flaw in your logic is so simple. Perhaps Sakara is innocent, but is anyone else?!
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>>52319128
That's both annoying and fucking stupid.
>>52319142
Why not it's a fun and relatively balanced roll..
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>>52319163
See that's why I asked. And even then the first response said it wasn't bad, but now it's bad.
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>>52318979

Your honor, I would content that Gamze is innocent, or at least above suspicion! There are too many other who may fit the role, and Wright is clearly too foolish to see the Truth. We cannot accuse by heresy alone....
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>>52319163
Blaster Wizard is the role of selfish jerks, sure, you get a bit away from the bullshit that makes your class Jesus on level 9 spells, but you start stepping on the toes of 2-5 party members so that you can slow down the fight with one of the worst actions-to-calculations ratios in the game.
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>>52319184
Because blasting means different things to different people, and the build you described is actually impossible to do iirc. It required like 40 fucking spell points being used at once.

It's not bad because you're a blaster that does high damage in an AoE, it's bad because your character gimmick and primary tactic is "go nova until I knock my self out and force my party to rest when I'm done proving I'm not an UTTER use of wasted space."
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How comfy is Shardwalkers shaping up to be?
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>>52319212
I've played blasters before and the calculations were always pretty goddamn quick.

I cast X. It does blah, reflex DC blah for blah. DM has enemies roll blah. Done.
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>>52319246
Admixture elementalist with the soulfire feat, a few non-invasive drawbacks, 18 int and con, and like level 6-7 can totally do it.
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>>52319212
The thing is if you're a blaster, you probably aren't stepping on toes since the party composition will take into account you're a damage dealer and not a buff monkey which seems to be the only roll you think casters should be relegated too.
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I need art for a male elven cryptic. Working on a character for WWW.
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in gestalt, do you use the highest saves in all categories?
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>>52319264
Let's say you're level 7
I'm assuming 14 Con for Soulfire.
3 Spell points from Soulfire
7(class)+4(Int) from Elementalist
Now this depends on what you mean by "a few" drawbacks
I'm going to assume you take 5 Drawbacks, non of which go towards boons(unlikely) so that's another +1 per level.
3+7+7=17 Spell Points like maximum
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>>52319256
Pretty comfy, until you apply. Then it'll be ultra comfy. So hurry. Hurry. Put it in! Put your app in and let's be comfy together.
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>>52319256
I'd say a bigger problem is what's signed up already.

>bearlike exiled human warrior with a heart of gold
>bishounen tiefling martial artist who hopes to find true love
>byronic half-elf/orc engineer chasing after his dreams

It's already three cheezy romance novel covers out of four characters. The fujoshi bait is strong in this one.
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>>52319377
Forgot the extra 4 from int so 22 maximum on a very unlikely character as I've never seen many sphere casters with that many drawbacks that didn't go towards a boon.
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>>52319378
I haven't decided what comfy role I should play, though. There's lots of freedom, since there are so few apps, and they're all tough guys.

What would make you feel comfy, Anon?
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>>52319389
>half-elf/orc
I hate Bloodforge so fucking much.
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>>52319402
Kitsune! FLUFFY! TAILS!
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>>52319389
missing a doctor and a lawyer. dunno what adjectives starting in b they'd get though.
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>>52319301
How's this, friend?

I love helping people with images.
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>>52319147
>>52319208
(Think Wright. There has to be a way to prove that Gamze is autistic. There has to be something in her application or the character list that gives her away. Most boy character wouldn't include two other male frontliners, but if human centrism isn't an acceptable evidence, then that adds Lamia at least, and probably Erasmus and Otolvian as well...

There has to be some connection between Gamze and the character list. Sakara and Aida are waifus so they could go on any list, Iuni is a wild card but she has high compatibility... why would someone add Shanan and Tarani to the same list though? Why not Shanan and a caster, or Tarani and an outlander? Both of them are pretty boy martials... THAT'S IT!)

Your honor, I prepare my closing argument!
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>>52319430
Actually, that one might be so dramatic as to be unusuable.

Here's another of the same character.
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>>52319426
I feel like if I pick an unusual race, I should pick one that's not super common amongst players of unusual races, though. Surely there's something equally comfy that's not quite as well-traveled as the Kitsune, right?
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>>52319419
>Blame whoever came up with the words "Mekboss Baus"
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>>52319443

Very well, mister Wright. We will accept your closing arguments. Can you prove the autist is indeed Gamze?

The penalty will be... very harsh, if you cannot.
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>>52319497
>>52319497
He plays Pathfinder
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>>52319475

How about tengu?
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>>52316512
I almost didn't recognize /pfg/ without the horrendously weeby OP picture.
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>>52319533
Then your suffering has only begun.

Strap in, anon. It'll be a wild ride.
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>>52319530
That could be quite comfy. Though I'm not sure that will fly based upon /pfg/'s expectations of fujoshi romance. A crow is not fine too.
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>>52319533
WHY DID YOU JINX IT
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>>52319533
Imagine, you might have had to scroll all the way down to the I WANNA WAIFU A GODDESS discussion to figure it out.
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>>52319551

You'd be surprised.
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>>52319556
>he doesn't want to marry a deity

Rahadoumi swine need to leave.
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>>52319430
>>52319456
I'd like some art that screams cute Qadiran princess
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>>52319377
>>52319399
getting an 18 in both int and con isn't particularly hard if your human and level 7, with at least a belt. A 25 pb human could easily do 18 con 20 int
And you'd probably take con down to 8 or 6 so that's 5-6 sp from soulfire,
five drawbacks for overcharge + 4 sp at 7th
Class gives 7, int gives 4
Admixture pool from admixture savant gives another 7 to spend on metamagic reduction.

total 27-29 depending on point buy and how much you push soulfire

Going for a quick, max'd empowered full cl orb; quick, max'd full cl orb; quick, full cl orb; time shifted quick, max'd emp'd full cl orb is 32 sp

you could find the feats to get the extra sp, since you only need the 3 metamagic feats, which you get as a bonus at 2nd and 6th. You'd have 4 spare feats for other stuff, SP isn't the issue here.
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Can you be a Lamashtu worshipper without being disruptive as fuck?
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>>52319497
What we have here wasn't a list chosen because of only composition autism. It strikes me as strange that someone would put two pretty boys no one talks about on their list when /pfg/ always complains about them.

The truth is that this list was also considering shipping! The characters were chosen with baisc consideration towards their mechanical aspects, but the only autism stronger than that is shipper autism.

Let me explain: The culprit at X:15 was asked who they wanted to play with in Legacy. At X:31, they were afraid of shilling their character. This is most likely because they had an identity in the thread. After being encouraged to name five they'd like to play with, they listed Tarani, Shanan, Iuni, Sakara and Aida. These characters were listed in order of posting at X:43, making it extremely likely that the culprit only went through them then.

Keeping in mind the format of this game, I propose that the culprit did not look through the sheets, but instead identified basic class roles and general bullet points. Otherwise, it would normally be suspicious to consider incomplete sheets. So we need to establish the criteria these characters were picked on.

We do not however need to go through every member of the list. The point of attention is the two boys chosen. Shanan and Tarani are both pure martials. At a glance, one is STR based and one is DEX based, but they share more similarities than you'd think! Both are native to Katapesh, have a history of flirting, and protective of people around them. They are in fact, not just boys, BUT HUSBANDOS.

While many players would want to pursue waifus, virtually no players would pursue husbandos. EXCEPT ONE.

Gamze bint-Samiri is in fact, the only character that acknowledges the prospect of marriage in her profile! As an easily flustered caster with a competitive spirit, her natural predator are devilishly handsome flirty warriors!

ADMIT IT ANON. You are Gamze bint-Samiri! And you want to fuck brown boys!
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>>52319551
A crow you say? Well that's a little concerning.
You're right. It's more than likely he's a vilderavn.
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>>52319600
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>>52319600
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>>52319623
That's what he wants you to think, but no, it's JUST a crow.

It's gonna swoop down and steal some of that bacon cooling near your BBQ while you're busy looking for some tall armored villain.
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>>52319551
A birbgirl is fine too.

>>52319402
I'll be comfy with whatever you make... Because it's you who's playing her.
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>>52319613
CUE THE MUSIC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3R8tkvlAlk
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It turns out that Legacy threads actually are better than PLD threads.
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>>52319665
I blame ISIS.
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>>52319641
As expected of those black-winged nightmares. Preying on humans' fear of their scarier cousins to exploit us and steal our human moxie, our BBQ! How fiendish!
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>>52319578
No.

Can't you see they're just using you? What right do they have to toy with your feelings like that? To lead you on and promise you bliss, only to deliver despair?

What gives them ANY right to do that to you?
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>>52319551
Uh, keep in mind /pfg/ and the actual players may not agree on fujoshi stuff?

I for one may often order from St-Huberts, but I have no interest in the cock.
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>>52319625
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>>52319665
I want Lysander to get fucked by a big, burly Tome Manifestation with a fat cock!
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>>52319648
papi is best
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>>52319717
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>>52319613

OBJECTION! I... I object! My client would never subject herself to mere husbandos...
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>>52319722
trying too hard.
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>>52319648
Th-Thanks, Anon. I won't let you down!
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>>52319680
But Hassan, she's so lovely. I just can't stop feeling this way!
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>>52319708
Then what do the players want? I really want to submit something comfy and helpful. Support is the purest role.
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>>52319625
>>52319633
>>52319717
>>52319733
Thanks a bunch, Anon(s)
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>>52319763
You have to fight it, Titus! Fight their hold on your mind!
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>>52319734
They're not MERE husbandos Edgeworth! They're Katapeshi husbandos! The kind that would sweep Gamze off her feet and carry her into the distance on a desert mare! The kind of men that her parents would disapprove of until a romance arc proved their characters to them! The kind of men that she promised never to fall in love with until they stole her heart flying kicking through a window with a scimitar in hand, dripping with panache or ki points!

Are you telling us that they're mere husbandos Edgeworth? Just generic appeal? This isn't a bara blue lawyer doing a dance in front of the police station, they aren't even daddies! There's a 16 CHA score on Shanan and I bet enough STR to Opportune Parry and Riposte with Gamze in one arm!
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>>52319798
No problem!
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>>52319725
Papi is olev.

>>52319753
The only way you'd let me down... Is if you let me down into your soft bed. I eagerly await your app.
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>>52318700
>>52318739


You're telling me this ain't fun?
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WWW! Their underwears! What are they?! I want to steal a Shifter's panties!
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>>52319802
I...I can't! A-all...All is One in Shelyn!

love + beauty + trust + appreciation + self-doubt ÷ compliments ÷ affection ÷ passion × longing × esteem × matrimony × acceptance n=y where y=fear and n=faith, love=truth, life=beauty, self=shelyn

The Eternal Rose justifies my Love!
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>>52319920
You strike me as particularly sinister, pantsu anon. What do you plan to do with this knowledge?
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>>52319920
My app wears cute white panties with little bear paw print patterns on them.
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>>52319784
I can only speak either for myself as one of the applicants or from an objective viewpoint.

Objectively speaking, there is one fairly tanky junk-element melee fighter (a very interesting choice, looking forward to seeing that in action), two melee assault units, and an eventually-wide AoE+debuff artillerist

That does leave pretty much buffs and more major... not so much HP healing as disability-removal, like drains,etc probably later on. Not certain where everyone stands on the skills and dungeoneering aspects; pretty sure the engineer has disable device and traps taken care of though. Is anybody stealthy?
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>>52319813

> Shanan

Objection! Sanane is NG! He is too pure to take advantage of Gamze! It would be entirely too lewd for his alignment!
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>>52319962
Who is it? Daphne? Britt? Malta? Luca?!
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>>52319968
>That does leave pretty much buffs and more major... not so much HP healing as disability-removal, like drains,etc probably later on.

Cleric is a cute class that can do all of those things. I'm only finding a line about Exalted-style smallgods by Argentum, though. I should probably send a message asking for more details.

>>52319883
>pic related
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>>52319984
Objection! Neutral Good might be too pure for a one-night stand, but it's not too pure for a Keleshite wedding! The subject was raised in a brothel, the ONLY narratively appropriate character he could end up with considering his background is a girl from a nice family!
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>>52319920
My app wears standard black boxers most of the time but has a few pairs of comfortable panties in pink and white for occasions when she wants to feel nice.
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>>52319920
Mine isn't posted yet, but it's gonna be lewd.
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>>52320030
I'll never tell. You'll just have to find out!
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>>52319920
Good luck finding them.
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>>52318300
>>52318419
>>52318681
>>52318869
>>52319147
>>52319208
>>52319443
>>52319613
Why is Phoenix the prosecutor now?
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>>52319920
My app wears long johns. Got a butt flap and everything.
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>>52320146
Mirror Universe
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>>52320052

Nngh. Nnnn-Wriiiiight!
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>>52320146

I think the series places the burden of proof on the defense-it's why Wright consistently has to not only exonerate his client, but prove what actually happened.

Might be how the Japanese legal system works, but I don't really know.
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>>52319041

Did you ever review legacy apps?
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>>52319147
>>52318979
Is there any proof that Sakara was making pretzels with Bon Bon at the time? We need to call Bon-Bon to the stand!
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>Already an Alchemist and two Investigators in WWW

So much overlap.
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Gamze's player here.

I'm actually vaguely disillusioned with Cartomancer since it deprives me of a cute familiar and only gives the benefit of being able to make ranged touch attacks to deliver spells. Her interest in dank card games also seems to give the feeling that she doesn't quite belong in the setting.

What are some good archetypes for a well-raised girl from a proper merchant family?

Witch-Watcher from Heroes of the High Court seems like it has potential, but I'm not sure how much diminished spellcasting hurts the vanilla Witch.
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>>52320184
>>52320146
The Japanese legal system is hard-fucked; not as bad as Phoenix Wright makes it out to be, but it's extremely anti-accused. You're guilty until your lawyer can prove you innocent, which is why a lot of people who previously were in entertainment (such as voice actors and musicians) basically drop off the face of the earth if they ever get arrested; to the legal system of Japan, and thus the Japanese public, they've shamed themselves simply by being accused, let alone what their crime actually is or if they're guilty.
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>>52320195
He got to one of em.
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>>52320184
They don't need to prove what actually happened. It's just that in the Gyaktuen games the guilty party is always among the witnesses, Phoenix always realizes who they are, and he always manages to pressure them into confessing. Whatever though, let's just roll with it
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>>52320184
What I do know of the Japanese legal system is that you don't want to make it to the trial. That whole scene in their various series where one is talking to the cops at the station, that's because one is generally let go and at worst fined unless they're really unrepentant or did something serious, AND there's enough to make it an open and shut case.

From what I know, you basically won't be sent to trial unless they're sure you deserve it, because once there it's all but "and now let's move to sentencing"
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>>52320167
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>>52320167
In conclusion, anon is Gamze and she will have lots of brown babies forever. I'll see you for hot coffee later Edgeworth.
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>>52320167
>>52320267
>>52320279
I give it a solid 7/10
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>>52320279
>for hot coffee

Scandalous!
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>>52320223
Is Alchemist VMC a must? You could stay Cartographer and grab a Wizard VMC for the familiar. I don't really think the dank card games are as big a strike as reviewanon does personally, especially not for a trader's daughter.

Also, close the case for us. Suspense is killing me.
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>>52320223
>Her interest in dank card games also seems to give the feeling that she doesn't quite belong in the setting.

it's not the card games, but more precisely Harrow specifically, which is really just a Varisia thing. the DM has given license to make some modifications to the lore, I think you could invent a card game on your own. its coupled with the fact that the paradox of her family still exist, that is, they wanted children enough to adopt her but then they don't take care of her?

>What are some good archetypes for a well-raised girl from a proper merchant family?

well it probably wouldn't be a witch in the first place, it would more likely be a wizard. but then her merchant family background doesn't have anything to do with the class - witches learn their magic from vague entities with a familiar as the middleman. cartomancer replaced the familiar with a harrow deck and, indeed, this is what you seem to imply taught gamze her magic. but then she didn't have to be a merchant for that to happen.
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>get off of /pfg/
>go fap, and read some fanfics
>Come back
>see what has happened here
Bravo /pfg/, you have impressed me. Now I feel the urge to suddenly binge watch some Perry Mason.
Thank you, keep on you magnificent bastards
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>>52320335
Varisians get everywhere. It's not too surprising to find Harrowers in Garund.
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>>52320341

This general might be nuts, but it gets sexy dynamite sometimes.
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>>52320279
>>52320267
>>52320167
>>52320052
>>52319984
>>52319813
>>52319734
A SHOCKING SWERVE!
According to evidence shown in the Discord, the defendant was too busy playing Dark Souls 3 to be the one who posted the list of characters they would want! Gamze cannot POSSIBLY be Anon!
>>
I am really fucking torn for legacy of blood. Either way I am going to have a family sword but I am stuck between three paths for what the sword means. Each option is tied to the character's race The options are the following:

>Ifrit
The character would actually appear human. The connection as a Ifrit was made because one of his ancestors made a contract with a Salamander and forged the sword.

>Human
Sword is a symbol of their family as a lost branch of the nobility. The character wouldn't know any of the details of what happened and why.

>Half-orc
The sword would be inherited from the orcish side of the family and be a symbol of a clan that was forced into exile and seclusion.

I can't decide
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>>52320378
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>>52320378
HOLD IT!
How do you know they didn't just alt-Tab out of the game to comment? Even in Dark Souls, it's entirely likely they could find a safe spot to do so.
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>>52320378
Victory for the defense, snatched from the jaws of defeat!? New evidence surfaces as MR. Edgeworth finds himself on his last legs!
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>>52320223
That's a shame. The bit with the cards was one of the few things I actually liked about the character.

The flavor of the Harrow deck specifically doesn't work super well, but the idea of a lonely kid coming into contact with an occult entity simply through studying the patterns in a frivolous game is pretty cool.

Though, if you're taking my advice and developing the mundane vs. mystical angle, then I'd suggest this archetype:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch/archetypes/paizo-witch-archetypes/dimensional-occultist/

It's not super powerful, but hella flavorful, and very playable (I've been playing one for nearly 3 years).


ALSO,

taking requests for tonight's review!
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>>52320345
well I would still find it hard to believe its popular enough in katapesh to be playing it in the square with a bunch of people as the app describes. although that's also a separate issue because my understanding is you do not "play" Harrow in the same way you would not "play" a tarot deck. it's a fortune telling tool.

inventing your own card game would obliterate both of these inconsistencies.
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>>52320426
Sakara
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>>52320426
Don't think I won't stop pestering you! I want you to review Master Chie- I mean Tomasz!
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>>52320410
Human or ifrit sounds best. If the game actually ends up dealing with genies, there's probably a stronger argument for ifrit, as they might end up meeting someone connected with those who forged the sword.

On the other hand, that idea could just as easily happen with a human as an ifrit, so take my suggestion with a grain of salt.
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>>52320330
I was too busy trying to kill a single father protecting his invisible baby, so seeing my character getting memed on was pretty funny.

>>52320335
Fair enough. I might switch it around to a different card game or ask the GM for input. I kind of like the idea of a waifish girl playing with cards to get revelations about the future, and it doesn't seem too out of scope.

As for the family stuff, I have some fixes planned.

Wizard VMC might be a thing I do, though.

Unrelated, but is there any way (maybe a feat or something) to be able to put potions inside of edibles like candies and pastries without being a Gingerbread Witch? Being an ardent reader of Caspian Sea Bread And Textiles Porn, I'm really into the idea of being able to do something like that but I kind of don't want to have to pick Vore and Child Murder: The Archetype to do it.

Ask for a trait or feat?

>>52320426
Thanks! I'll give it a look.
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>>52320457
>Wizard VMC might be a thing I do, though.

just don't be a cunt about it like the summoner app.
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>>52320378
>>52320457
But who was anon!?
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>>52320413

Well, Phoenix Wright? Anything to say? Or shall we call it a day?
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>>52320457
A lot of DMs might just let you put potion effects into other things if you have the appropriate objects when making skill checks. See if that works.
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>>52320493
Looks like Phoenix is getting bottomsies tonight.
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>>52320493
I'll... see you for coffee.
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>>52320541
>>52320493
SOMEBODY SCREENCAP THIS SHIT
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>>52320426
Review WWW!
>>
This is the best kind of shitposting
>>
>>52320556
It probably won't be good a month from now without the context. Let's just hope we have more decent threads.
>>
>>52320541
>>52320493
I think it was someone who hasn't submitted their character yet. Someone that's had their character posted for a while would have read the other apps fairly thoroughly by now.
>>
>>52320556
I'm really just curious if this was one person samefagging this whole time or naw.
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>>52320493
>>52320541
Truly magnificent.

>>52320457
An item creation feat with Brew Potion and a few other things as prerequisites, perhaps. Come to think of it, an item creation feat based on textiles might also be fun.
>>
>>52320576
Probably not, filenames don't match up.
>>
If you use VMC, are you locked into it from level 1 to 20 or can you just take a few levels using VMC in the same way that you could choose how many levels you would get by multiclassing normally?
>>
>>52320457
3.5 had a lot of optional potion variants that were basically just "different feat and you make stuff that is functionally identical to potions but in some other form". Knots with stored magic, small ceramic tiles with runes that you snapped in half to activate, etc.
>>
>>52320649
The former.
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>>52320649
You're locked into it, but you can retrain your VMC using downtime.
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What would you want to see in an Occultist daughteru?
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>>52320683
Longer pants. Absolute territory aside, no daughter of mine is going to show off her thighs like some harlot.
>>
>>52320667
>>52320673
I suppose that makes sense. Otherwise you could just get a familiar for free by spending your 3rd level feat on Sorc or Wizard VMC
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>>52320700
But shorts are comfy and easy to wear!
>>
>>52320725
So either wear longer stockings or a skirt over them.
>>
Are there any sorcerer bloodlines that give an initiative bonus?
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>>52320775
Yeah, Arcane and get a familiar that gives an init bonus.
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>>52320804
Already have a familiar, was looking for something besides that.
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>>52320683
my dick
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>>52320811
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines-from-paizo/dreamspun-bloodline/

At level 3
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>>52320493
Boot to the head.
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>>52320811
Dreamspun bloodline as a 3rd level power
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>>52320826
Awesome thanks.

Time to use Eldritch Heritage for that sweet sweet initiative.

VMC divination wizard + eldritch heritage dream spun.
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>>52320850
Are you also an Ifrit? They get +4 to init as a racial trait
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>>52320894
Yeah and I have reactionary that's actually justified in my back story. And a dusty rose ioun stone.

>4 (dex mod)
>4 (hare familiar)
>4 (improved initiative)
>4 (ifrit racial)
>2 (reactionary)
>1 (dusty rose ioun stone)
>1 (divination wizard ability)
>Total: +20
At level 3

At level 10 it is looking to be +38. I'll be going first in the vast majority of situations. Finding a way to reroll 1s on initiative checks is the only concern. +38 though is pretty far above even normal "superhuman".
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>>52320976
JESUS
WEPT
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>>52320988
Gotta go fast.
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>>52320483

No one important, clearly.
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[/spoiler]previous threads have hyped potential retooled kingmaker AP to the point where I've begun working on a build before the game is even finished, let alone listed.[/spoiler]
There's no more hope for me
>>
>>52321127
Wow I'm all kinds of retarded
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>>52321138
You are, but it's a kawaii sort of retarded.
>>
Not getting those reviews tonight, are we?
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>>52321229
Working on Tomasz
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>>52321194
y-you too anon
>>
>Build level 8 Hidden Blade rogue
>Put all rogue talents into optimizing Climb as high as possible
>Only have two Fool's Errand maneuvers that use climb, but spam them every battle

I have zero regrets. Tornado Slam and The Best Weapon is Theirs are amazing.

>Shifty enemy clearly stronger than all the others, dodged my strike
>Use swift action to hurl them 30feet off a cliff into the river

>Use Windmill Waltz Flurry, take out two enemies, but miss the third
>Use swift action to hurl them into a giant wall of fire our caster set up

And earlier,
>Level 20 paladin boss
>Disarm her Holy Keen Longsword with the counter and throw it across the arena where she can't get it
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>>52321369
>Shifty enemy clearly stronger than all the others, dodged my strike
>Use swift action to hurl them 30feet off a cliff into the river

>Forget that we're not supposed to kill any of the enemies
>Force ally to go and jump down into the river to save said enemy because the party is otherwise screwed
>>
>>52321440
it's okay because otherwise you wouldn't have had anything to do on your turn

and a little swim never killed anyone
>>
Where were you when a shit-tier thread names /pfg/ pulled off a 5-star Phoenix Wright parody?
>>
>>52321465
asleep
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>>52321465
pleasuring myself
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>>52321229
>>52321237
NOT GETTING THOSE REVIEWS
>>
>>52321540
Man, you missed SHOMEFING CWAZY.
>>
Why is the toothfairy a nasty little CE hag? Was that how the legend went?
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>>52321465
I'll never know who anon was.
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>>52321580
>>
NEW THREAD

>>52321688
>>52321688
>>52321688
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>>52320823
Seconding this.
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