Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>52310960
Christ what an OP

but it's not an anime smut image

i approve, anon

>>52310960

Why does that cat have a star of David on it's hat?

Is it stirring poison into the well of Western society?

I understand that 2hu is dysfuntional as fuck, but is anybody crunching the numbers as hard?

>>52311025
No, not really.

How does one beat Baba Yaga?

>>52311038

You have to deactivate her Winter Extractors across the cosmos then beat her in a fair fight.

>>52311038
Hit her really hard

>>52310960
I like the Creation Handbook a lot, but I do think it still needs several layers of work before it's in a ready state.

Mind Handbook is pretty dry and doesn't add many new fun things to the sphere.

Avowed has hurt me with all its nerfs but really, taking a step back, I'm still feeling optimistic about the class as a whole.

>>52311038
Collect the Dragon Balls to wish her weaker

>>52311081
Kinda agree. What do think of dark and life?

>>52311028
I mean shit, if you check the DDS forums it is post after post of 2hu saying this is broke, that is broke and so on and so forth. None of his comments really struck me as rude.

>>52311099

Can I use Namekian balls?

A more serious topic though.

Are WWW natives naked? Were they 'civilized', were they forced to wear underwears?

Are mounted charger builds good?

>>52311112
Do you mean the thread gitp?

>>52311136
loincloths you mong

>>52311112
2hu wasn't exactly rude, more like insisting, verbose and reopening closed comments. On the other hand, Ssalarn routinely closes comments without responding.

>>52311138

They're very good, but wholly incompatible with 90% of campaigns due to the amount of space you need to pull them off.

>>52311161
unless you play a halfling

>>52311140
http://www.dropdeadstudios.com/forum/#/20170321/my-concerns-regarding-spheres-of-might-so-far-5401451/

>>52311081
>Avowed has hurt me with all its nerfs but really, taking a step back, I'm still feeling optimistic about the class as a whole.
Same desu, though I'm still super salty about the reasoning for a bunch of the changes, even if they WERE justified, but there's still enough there that I'd be interested in playing, even if I'm holding out for more archetypes and subpacts. and hopefully give me a reason to be Cha instead of Con/Int

>>52311110
I don't remember looking at dark, but Life is serviceable. I wish it could break a bit more out of its healing niche but there's only so much it can do there.

One thing it could fix is that it's still much harder to get long-term resurrection in spheres, even with advanced talents.
>CL10 to revive something that's been dead for more than one round (Not 1 round/CL, just /one round/). This gives 2 permanent negative levels.
>CL15 to remove permanent negative levels

Why.

>>52311183
To encourage your weak ass shitter teammates to not die?

>>52311183
Because bringing people back to life and healthy at that shouldn't be old fucking hat after a while, it should be a big goddamn deal, and incredibly hard to do.


Bringing people back to life being an optional set of magic talents and being difficult to manage even then is a plus in my book. If you want old raise dead back you can just make it a ritual.

Should diseases be resistant to magic spells?

>>52311153
That depends! Not all Native Americans wore clothings. In fact, children were usually left naked until puberty hit them, especially in the warmer weathers (Pocahontas scandalizing Jamestown by appearing naked at 10 is a well known example). Go down to South America, in non-mountainous regions, and the only type of clothings you find sometimes are implements desgined to keep the foreskin shut.

t. History major dropout

>>52311227
History Major Dropout, go back to high school. Or uni. Or wherever the fuck you came from.

>>52311270
I would but I figured I could get twice the salary by just working at the local mine.

>>52311227
why are you shitting things up by obsessing over underwear

>>52311227

I thought Pocahontas went a bit above and beyond what was just local culture around the settlers.

>>52311183
The easier you make it to revive people, the more rocket tag the game eventually becomes

>>52311227
>>52311314
But the movie said that the settlers didn't arrive in America until she was like 18. And she wore clothes the entire time. And GRandma Willow certainly would have told her to put some clothes on before going to go speak to John Smith.

F/SN here again, made some changes

The game would be set during the 9th Holy Grail war occurring in 2021 in San Francisco.

I personally have run 6 other Holy Grail wars with the 1st and the 5th being backstory wars (I ran 2-4, added 5 as a backstory war, and ran 6-8). All the previous ones were for my in person group. Most often I would take Lancer as an NPC servant in order to facilitate a better Holy Grail War. Here is the previous list of servants.
>http://pastebin.com/riSZGjzE

Currently compiling the Fate/Last Path setting documentation is proving a bit difficult. I can hardly remember the 2nd and 3rd holy grail wars and am having to talk quite a bit with my meat space group to try and remember all the details. This is why I haven't provided the in progress doc yet.

Right now I am here to answer any questions about the game's canon. It helps me organize my thoughts.

Also for the game's building here is how a servant will be built:
>level 12
>30 pb
>mythic 5
>only PoW except for caster who gets Spheres Casting
>Noble Phantasms are designed with rules I provide, can be abilities or minor artifacts
>each class gets a set of extra skills in addition, like Magic Resistance, Presence Concealment, Battle Continuation, Mad Enhancement, etc. these will be in the document I'm compiling
>every player builds a level 5 Master
>you mostly control this Master except for a modified version of Hero points called Fate points, they do a few different things compared to Hero points
>you earn a Fate point every time I have your Master do something against what you want them to do or if you master sacrifices a Command Seal
>Fate points are spent to activate your Noble Phantasm, meaning if you master always listens to you then you may not have the points to activate it

I'm here to answer questions again. If you want to know shit about other character's noble phantasms as examples, previous winners, etc. go ahead and ask.

>>52311341

The movie also said Hercules was the son of Zeus and Hera and both parents loved him.

>>52311341
Tbhfam I fancy Pocahontas' bowlcut friend more than her.

>>52311358
>Previous winners

anon...

>>52311373
His version differs from the Nasuverse, in that it doesn't have a Gary Stu MC.

>>52311373
Due to changes in the setting and the 3rd Holy Grail war never occurring the Grail's Corruption game later and in a different way.

The Grail's Corruption in Fate/Last Path occurred in 1983 during the 6th Holy Grail War in London when Adolf Hitler and Guy Fawkes tried to both manifest the Grail early and caused the creation of The Fractured Grail.

The two of them each received a portion of the Grail. This caused the Grail to each grant them a twisted version of their wish. In subsequent Holy Grail Wars the Grail's awakening now requires multiple pieces to be collected and forged before the full Grail could manifest. These lesser pieces essentially grant monkey paw's wishes.

The moment the Fractured Grail was created was when the two of them had managed to open a path to Shangri La, supposedly one of three stems which feed the Grail power along with The Garden of Eden and the Grove of Idunn. While there they awakened The Eight Dharmapalas, the mythological defenders of Tibetan Buddhism. One in particular, Mahākāla, the Great Black One took an interest in the struggle.

>>52311136
Even a more seriouser question.

Is pregame crafting allowed?

>>52311296
He probably has a mid-tier panty fetish.

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>>52311440
>The moment the Fractured Grail was created was when the two of them had managed to open a path to Shangri La, supposedly one of three stems which feed the Grail power along with The Garden of Eden and the Grove of Idunn. While there they awakened The Eight Dharmapalas, the mythological defenders of Tibetan Buddhism. One in particular, Mahākāla, the Great Black One took an interest in the struggle.
What the fuck kind of stupid lore is this?

>>52311497
Pls don't use my waifu's image in vain.

>>52311497
I have no clue what Fate Stay Night even is, someone explain it to me.

>>52311451
Depends on the DM.

>>52311539

It's like Pokemon, only instead of Bulbasaur you get King Arthur.

>>52311539
self insert fan fiction

>>52311539
Some Jap's shitty fanfiction about hbis self insert banging a little girl version of King Arthur and winning everything everywhere forever.

>>52311566
Sounds cool...

>>52311570
I've seen it before

>>52311572
We need to bomb japan a third time goddammit.

How much would it reduce the cost of crafting a Cyclops helm if you have a preserved Cyclops head?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/c-d/cyclops-helm/

>>52311539
To help clarify >>52311570 & >>52311572

This is what it started as, then it seems like this anon decided to take out King Arthur and the self insert and run everything from the beginning? He uses some of the same concepts but seems completely different.

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>>52311588
To be fair, if King Arthur looked like this, you'd bang him too.

>>52311597

If I was your DM, I'd say it should get reduced by 50%

>>52311539
Every so often, nine mages get together, each summon a historic or legendary figure imbued with mythology based and oft conceptual superpowers, and they all fight in a strategic free for all until one's left standing. The winner gets to summon the Holy Grail and have a wish granted.

>>52311627
Seven mages.

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>>52311627
Until you get that one asshole who goes "Fuck Magic" and just shoots your plane down with a rocket launcher.

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>>52311663
but fuck magic tho

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>>52311685
y u do dis?

>>52311663
>Wizard sets up elaborate dungeon in his hotel
>Magical traps, bound spirits, the works
>Kerry's just like "Fuck this noise, I have C4"
>Blows up the tower.

Kerry thinks like a PC.

>>52311663
>>52311685
>Every player runs not-Kiritsugu

>>52311695
Poor Fastwheels. He never had a leg to stand on.

>>52311695
How does he plant the c4 without interacting with the traps?

>>52311730
Underneath the hotel, in areas not affected by the magic.

Is there a way for a medium creature to wield a large-sized greatsword without enlarge person shenanigans? I want to do some stupid anime-esque plot where my character's father murdered a giant, and was famous for using its sword in battle.

>>52311730
Only the two upper floors of the hotel were affected by traps, as he rented all of them for himself.

>>52311695

>Goes for the dungeon bypass when possible
>Believes most of the world's problems can be solved with carefully applied murder
>Doesn't see much point to putting values over expedience in achieving one's goals
>When forced to make nice with his enemies, only does so in a way that makes them wish he hadn't

It checks out.

>>52311750
Powerful Build if 3pp is allowed, Titan Fighter/Mauler if not.

There's a tiefling trait for that. I'm sure other races have an equivalent.

>>52311750
Check the Oversized enchantment in Faerie Ring if 3pp is allowed.

>>52311750
Powerful Build. Half-giants and Dreige start with it, plus via the Mighty Frame feat from bloodforge (Half-orc, dwarves, and a few others can grab it directly as soon as they qualify, some others need to grab a trait as prereq). Also, one of the Tiefling variant abilities on the d100 table but no DM will let you pick.
>>52311784
Iirc one of these two didn't actually work tho RAW.

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Have you ever used Psychopomps in your games?
What did they do? Which ones do you like?
I'm having a hard time finding actual information on their strongest, the Ushers.

Also, their enemies, the Sahkil, which I just found out existed.

>>52311788
>>52311750

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>>52311695
Here's the pic

>>52310960
Avowed is dead to me after the last round of nerfs. They need to take a step back and rewrite the whole class so it can do fewer things, but better rather than more things, but worse.

SoM is leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Lots of 2hu's points make sense to me and the fact that they're being shot down out of hand is worrisome. On the whole it's pretty bland and uninteresting.

SoP playtests I've stopped following given their recent tendency to be poorly written or left incomplete indefinitely.

Bloodforge isn't really my bag, so I don't have anything to say one way or the other.

These are grim times we're living in, indeed.

>>52311622
Carnival phantasm is a miracle of the universe

>>52311808
And the enemy wizard can't fly?

>>52311848
Hard to fly when you're inside a building, bub. A building that's now falling apart.

>>52311814
What do you mean by 'fewer things, but better'? What are you finding the Avowed struggles with at the moment?

>>52311695
>>52311772
>>52311808
You ever get the feeling that, if Kiri ever got dumped into the Shadowrun world, that Big D would immediately make him his favorite Runner/Operative?

Because I can just imagine Dunkelzahn pointing at Kiri during a fancy dinner party going "Dis nigga right here!"

>>52311814
"We don't want Cha SAD" feels like a copout answer tbqh, especially after "we're not balancing for bloodforge"

>>52311870
>>52311848
Well that doesn't even kill Kayneth. It just makes us realize that Kayneth is a dope compared to Kiritsugu.

>>52311814
>Avowed is dead to me after the last round of nerfs.
I hear this. I was really hoping Forrest would be able to pull it out of its current tailspin, but it was pretty disheartening to have her come in here the other day in full support of their nonsensical Con-to-Knowledge feat.

>>52311910
>Con-to-knowledge

Like, I get the fluff complaint, but are people seriously going to complain about the mechanics of it? At worst it's nonsensical but functional.

>>52311910
Can someone explain to me why that's a thing again if they're trying to cut out SAD?

>>52311887
Focus the class. Right now the Avowed is trying to fill every roll and it isn't doing very many of them well. You need to decide where you want to focus the class and make it excel at that.

>>52311937
Nobody is ever actually Con SAD.

>>52311932
>At worst it's nonsensical but functional.
Because this is a role-playing game a "nonsensical bs fluff" is still a mark against something.

>>52311910
How is this more nonsensical than Charisma to Knowledge which is already a 1pp thing?

>>52311943
>tfw I know someone complaining that the Avowed isn't enough of a generalist to capture the charm of the 3.5 warlock

>>52311949
>>52311910
"In addition, ancestral secrets of history and magic echo through your very blood, and psychic attunement allows you to access this shared knowledgebase. This is a supernatural ability."

How's that

>>52312042
Sounds like Charisma rather than Con, anon.

>>52312081
Charisma is force of will, not body.

>>52312081
How so when it is explicitly tied to your body and blood?

>>52312081
Why, because the class with bloodline abilities is Cha based?

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>>52312081
>your body
>charisma

Charisma is force of personality first, appearance second.

>>52312087
>>52312094
But In thought charisma was appearance and how big your tits/ass/dick was! /pfg/ said so!

>>52311943
Which roles are you finding the Avowed struggles with? We don't have any intention of reducing the Avowed's scope, but we intend to continue working on the class until it excels in its chosen role.

>>52311937
The intention is that, with feats, you can become two-stat dependent (Str/Dex and Cha/Con) if you're focusing on weaponlike shapes, or one-stat if you're focusing on the lower-damage area shapes.

>>52312087
>>52312094
Innate powers not granted through discipline always scale off Charisma though, especially if they manifest through your blood.

>>52312115
>two stat dependant
>a subpact forces three-stat dependency at BARE MINIMUM

k
the Con feats are still my favorite things, even if I liked the old Con-to-attack/damage better.

>>52312094
I have to agree with >>52312081 that sounds like you're quoting the bit about a sorcerer's bloodline. In the parliance of the PFRPG that's a Cha justification, not a Con one.

>>52312123
>always
>what is Sage bloodline
>what is Empyreal bloodline
>what is kineticist
>what is spirtualist

>>52311814
Why is Sphere of Magic having a playtest, anyway? Haven't Spheres been out for a while now? Or is this some expansion or something?

>It took the Normie to point out that not all Nightwalkers are good
That's pretty surprising actually.

>>52312156
New spheres

>>52312156
They're making a handbook for each sphere. There is 8 out so far, and 4 more in playtest. Most of the writers are new to the industry, hence the quality issues.

>>52312156
Spheres of Might

It's not Spheres of Magic, it's Spheres of POWER.

>>52312158
I'm pretty sure everyone else just thought it was obvious enough to not need mentioning. What with there being an insane Nightwalker NPC, a few Nightwalker characters of questionable attitude, and the LE possessive blood fetish Anti-Paladin.

>>52312136
Yeah, that was a deliberate aversion on our part due to Charisma/Constitution being so high priority that we couldn't make their AC bonus scale on it. Monk's bonus to AC isn't quite so strong because Wisdom isn't something they can afford to prioritize - in order to make sure that the Avowed doesn't end up with their overwhelmingly best stat to everything while still trying to keep the unarmored ascetic aesthetic of the original Self pact, Body pact needed to make them more MAD.

Mind, we also intend for three-stat MAD builds for all pacts to be at least somewhat viable (albeit Str/Dex, Cha, and Con rather than both Str and Dex) - and like those builds, the Body pact is up two feats on SAD builds.

>>52312145
>Spiritualist

Isn't the fluff of Spiritualist that there's a ghost who got lost on the way to the afterlife, and he's anchored himself to you in order to be take care of some unfinished business? The CHA-based archetype is basically a Stand, right?

>>52312158
I don't wanna play a villain in these games. To me the '80s craze about DnD being for demon worshippers never made sense, because you were playing the Paladins slaying Evil, and it was clear that demons, vampires and all that shit were bad guys!

>>52312241
Well there are different flavors of it, yeah. And the CHA archetype, Fractured Soul, is through some sort of trauma or psychological issues part of yourself becomes the "ghost".

>>52312241
>>52312145
Spiritualist is externally powered yeah. They point out that kinetic powers aren't associated with blood either, so I'm not sure either occult example holds up.

Alternative stat bloodlines are arguably the exception that proves the rule. The fact that they're "alternative" and not standard.

>>52312262
PCs are still expected to be heroes

They just have to kill some people with the same powers as them.

How's the Roil Dancer archetype?

>>52311792
Also the Heavy Arms Hero vigilante talent from Legendary Villains - Vigilantes by Jolly.

>>52311792
Why does everyone forget about Oggrs?

>>52312331

Oggrs are rubbish.

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>>52312293
I thought Nightwalkers not all being good, that some of them abused their powers was a given desu. Kinda like how if I roll a human, I'm not necessarily gonna point out there was a human being a dick in my backstory to say that I understand so.

>>52312319
?

>>52312270
>exception that proves the rule
It's not how this works.

Anyway, people still didn't answer. Why is Con to Knowledge not okay while people have nothing against Cha to knowledge? What has your magnetism/appearance/forceful personality to do with knowing things?

>>52312338
Compared to what? They're basically half giants with +Con instead of +Wis.

>>52312217
The option to swap Str for something would be nice, at least. Make it an off-stat or something? Whichever one doesn't dictate your other class features?

>>52312353
Because Con is already useful enough as it is, and the next logical step of the slippery slope is Dex to Knowledge.

>>52312355

They're still rubbish by virtue of being trash.

>>52312353
>What has your magnetism/appearance/forceful personality
Inherent intuition?

I talked to people who know their shit, so I can know my shit.

I bullshitted some stuff and just happened to be right?

It makes more sense than "my HEALTH AND VIGOR SOMEHOW INFORMS ME OF HOW THE PLANES WORK"

>>52311750
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/e-g/gauntlets-irongrip/

There are these.

>>52312379
Why though. They seem like a very solid race.

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>>52311910
>its current tailspin

If you don't mind me asking, what do you mean by that? The avowed received nerfs, yes, and is still being tuned to become a class and subsystem we're comfortable with publishing. I don't see the tailspin you're referring to--each change has been measured and made with the goal in mind of making the class better for the game and its players.

>>52311937
We removed Con to attack and damage, but kept in a pair of feats that allow you to swap your /casting/ stat on the avowed from Cha to Con (and, yes, get Constitution to several knowledges, representing a powerful ancestral knowledge stemming from your body and blood).

>>52311814
>>52311943
Our design goal with the avowed was to make a class that specializes in one of many different possible roles, generally (but not always) matching the playstyle supported by a particular pact. The avowed as a class has many /options/, much like a spellcaster, but I wouldn't say that any particular avowed should be stretched too thinly, as far as the current setup goes.

In effect, one might think of the avowed as several different possible "classes" (much like a few PF classes). It's just that, unlike many Pathfinder classes, it differentiates itself into subpaths using its pact choice, rather than archetypes. I can see why that might be offputting, but the goal wasn't to make it feel unfocused. I'm sorry it seems that way, and I'd definitely be interested in discussing this. I'll echo what Taveena asked here; >>52312115 are there any particular roles you feel the avowed is bad at in a way that makes it unfun to play?

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>>52312400

Same reason Hobgoblins seem like a very solid race.

Because they're rubbish.

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>>52312417
Thus far, part of the problem we've run into is that the avowed has been too /good/ at any given role, far beyond what it ought to have gotten for specializing in it. We've made many changes, some large, some small, to get the avowed towards a point where it can fill any particular role (or maybe 2 roles, if you try) well in a party, but will be around the same power level as any other balanced class, like the inquisitor, occultist, psychic warrior, or similar, when they're picked.

>>52312136
Well, it is a subpact for a reason. It's not a default choice; it's there for someone who wants that particular sort of ability spread, to support them in that choice and make it worth their while.

>>52312357
The reason it's Strength/Dex/Con-or-Cha was a conscious choice, because Strength is already an underused stat in Pathfinder, and we wanted to make the Body Pact a worthwhile choice for people who want to up multiple physical stats. Its goal isn't to simply make Strength even more irrelevant. "f you want to be Cha/Dex/Con MAD, meanwhile, then a default Avowed with Weapon Finesse should be fairly capable.

>>52312423
Why are they rubbish/trash/whatever? Because it's not yokai kitsune cat ears bullshit?

>>52312380
It's "THIS KNOWLEDGE COURSES THROUGH MY VEINS AND IS INSCRIBED ON MY BONES, EONS OF ANCESTRAL EXPERIENCE BURIED DEEP WITHIN". Not more bullshit than "eh, I just guessed".

>>52312451
Yes, it is a lot more bullshit.

>>52312472
Why is Charisma allowed to have very vague and wide definition while Constitution is only allowed to be how healthy you are? The moment you take this feat it stops being just that and also measures your connection to the genetic memory/ancestral knowledge of whatever thing you are connected to.

>>52312433

Because Oggr are ugly muppets who fuck their mum.

>>52312522
>Why is Charisma allowed to have very vague and wide definition while Constitution is only allowed to be how healthy you are?
Because that's how stats work. Especially the mental ones.

>>52312542
But it's alright for shooting magic laserbeams, both in 1pp and 3pp?

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>>52312429
>b-b-but str is underutilized!

So make something that's actually dedicated to Str instead of dancing on the bones of something? People have been dying for a Brutal Slayer knockoff since Muscle Memory was a thing, take cues from that instead of saying "no you HAVE to be this if you want to be unarmored" and squeezing down on potential build paths.

I like what you have but still don't get why people go into conniptions the second a Stat-to-AC thing comes up. AC isn't even that GOOD.

>>52312524
That's Ogres, not Oggrs.

>>52312417
I feel a lot of people are still downed by the loss of SAD options, Aether Channel full BAB, and d8 pulse dice.

Especially in the case of d8 pulse dice, public perception is that this was done mainly to reign in the damage ceiling of the class when it wasn't a problem in mid-op, and now many people's mid-op builds have suffered and need more optimization to keep up.

I would be interested in what new opinions who hadn't seen the Avowed back in its d8 days would say about the current class.

>>52312542
So you are not allowed to try to make it wider (for a cost of being a specific class and paying a feat) because "that's how it works"?

>>52312564

How are Oggrs any different, their name is even more inbred Ogre.

>>52312562
It pisses me off how they lock off full STR to AC to a single archetype and level 6, but let people go full fucking Dex monkey from level 1 if they want.

>>52312600
Ogres are Orcs or Humans that have Ogre ancestry.

>>52312542

Constitution already allows you to shoot fireballs and manipulate the fabric of reality. On a shitty class but it still allows it.

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It greatly saddens me that people still play this awful awful game. Why not move onto a better system like 5E?

>>52312650
I genuinely like the setting of Golarion.

>>52312619
I can only assume "BUT PEOPLE WILL DIP" and "Str can easily be pumped SUPER HIGH" are problems, but it'd be nice if more than a SINGLE ARCHETYPE FOR A SINGLE CLASS got it.

>>52312640
And it has it's own explanation for that. the kineticist is wrecking their body to do these things and they don't get con based spellcraft because of it.

>>52312650
Because 5e is boring as fuck with no meaningful character customization or interesting builds.

Plus I enjoy watching you suffer.

>>52312664
They're not really wrecking their body unless they actively try to.

And it doesn't explain why their Con allows them to do it. After all, body-based power is Cha, right?

>>52312650
I hate the lack of options for 5E. I hate advantage. I hate not having crunch. I hate that OSR feel.

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>>52312650
Because even if you take out all the shitty trap options in pathfinder, you still have more fun and interesting options than the entirety of 5e has or probably ever will.

>>52312672
Like PF is actually interesting? It's just more Mary Sues running around shitting lightning.

How was HV? Did they actually play this time around or was it another bamboozle?
Was it any good?

>>52312650
My group likes this game and I'm having fun, so why move?

>>52312650
>bounded accuracy means you basically hit peak power at level 7-8
>rocket tag is still a thing
>multiclassing sucks
>feats are borked
>customization is extremely limited
>-5/+10 bullshit

>>52312650
Because the only thing worse than someone who unironically likes pathfinder are the 5efags who bitch and moan about the people who unironically like pathfinder and turn the pffags off from their system even more.

>>52312681
Spell Casting ability is generally associated with the soul. A sorcerer doesn't suddenly lose bloodline shit when they use magic jar for example

>>52312429
Rather than switching stats, perhaps it would be more prudent to just copy Paizo and make it a scaling bonus based on class level, with the scaljng adjusted to be slightly more front-loaded than Bardic Knowledge.

After all, stat to Y is ultimately just numbers, and a scaling bonus would still represent the concept well without needing esoteric justification on why drinking milk every day in an isolated cell makes an avowed more knowledgable than a scrawny avowed of the same power level.

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>>52312691
Well that's just a matter of taste.

>>52312713
Then they'd get people complaining that IT'S TOO MANY SKILL FOCUSES

>>52312713
Stat to Y feels more fun.

>>52312692

Shizuka and Lyra had trouble fitting into a tight spot because their boobs are huge.

>>52312713

The issue there is that it's supposed to be a 'Change your main stat' feat. That doesn't make it change stats.

>>52312692
We did play. There was a greentext post about it some threads ago.

>>52312726
Well that taste is objectively bad.

>>52312562
I've always been tempted to grant all the full-BaB classes stuff like the Monk's AC Bonus and the Paladin's Divine Grace.

For example, you could probably straight up just give the Barbarian the Brutal Slayer's STR-stuff for free. The Fighter could stand to benefit from either choosing CON or STR (but not DEX) to get Initiative, AC, and Reflex saves to. Kineticist would do the same with Constitution (and mental-stat archetypes that swap Constitution for Wisdom or something else). Slayers, Bloodragers, Rangers, Swashbucklers, etc., they all need some more love- if I ever do a balance pass of the full-BaB martials, it would be to give them all, in order:

>more interesting options
>stuff like grit pools and ki pools
>much more SADness

It might never come around, but it's still something I'll tinker with in a home game.

>>52312761
Not really.

Now fuck off, WotC doesn't need you to shill for them.

>>52312650

>>52312699

>>52312761
>taste
>objective

Pick one and only one. As a matter of emotional opinion, "taste" is /inherently/ subjective.

>>52312763
>I've always been tempted to grant all the full-BaB classes stuff like the Monk's AC Bonus and the Paladin's Divine Grace.
That's dumb, don't do that.

>>52312650
No fetish games.

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>>52312650

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Here. This is how it clearly works.

>>52312785
Ah, right I forgot this place was "pretty fucking garbage"

>>52312777
different picture titles, different posters.

>>52312802
No shit different image titles, you can't post duplicate images.

>>52312800
I want a hero halo...

>>52312813
See, couldn't have been me then. I'm too busy ragging on you all for playing a bad game.

>>52312746
I know that the designers want it to be, but the question is - why the fascination with this when static bonuses are perfectly servicable in the system?

>>52312813
It's actually on a per-thread basis now. You can post dupes in different threads.

So, /pfg/. Mythic. What's the problem with it? How would I fix it?

>>52312802
>expecting people not to indulge their fetishes
>on 4chan

I envy your innocence, you sweet summer child. Flee. Flee before what's left of your soul is chained here.

>>52312783
I said I was tempted to, not that I was going to do it. It's a thought I'll entertain only for non-gestalt games, because for actual gestalt games, the power ceiling would get REALLY screw-y. I'll file it away in the "things I'll get around to doing never"

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>>52312777
Thanks, cross-thread Jesus.

>>52312829

Becuase that serves a different purpose. A static bonus makes people already good at something better. Changing stat to X makes people who would otherwise not be good at it better without making people already good at it even moreso.

>>52312833

I love Mythic though.

>>52312827
Good? Bad? They're all pointless.

Aren't we all just here trying to deny that? Trying to pretend like anything, from the smallest of these games to the greatest of monuments, means anything?

Isn't that why everyone is diving into these ERPs? To try and forget?

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>>52312876
No, you're all diving into ERPs because you're filthy degenerates that must be purged.

>>52312876
I just assumed that's because you fuckers are some filthy fucking degens.

>>52312763
Full Divine Grace is stupid, but letting people have the option to get cool Str shit, or easily get Cha-to-Will, or get mental-to-AC a-la monk, would be NICE TO HAVE.

I feel like this entire train of thought always falls off the rails at some point..

>>52312863
We are still talking about the avowed, right? The avowed doesn't really use INT, so they shouldn't already be better at knowledge. A scaling static bonus would work perfectly in this case.

Increasing SAD creates many more problems than this.

>>52312833
Half cool fluff of being a living legend, half unbalanced trash full of trap options.

Legendary Games has many books on Mythic. Worth looking at at least.

First suggestion would be to make sure that there's no easy swift casting at tier 1. Wild Arcana is the most powerful thing in the whole book, and any arcane caster gets it at Tier 1. At least change it to a standard action, as suggested by the FAQ, but I would remove the part where any wizard can call upon their entire spell list practically at will, too.

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>>52312892
>>52312904
Then you don't see what I see.

You see demonic rites and obscene rituals - I see night after night of drunken debauchery, a haze of fluids, both ingested and excreted, all for the sole sake of fogging the mind and keeping the cold dark night away for just a few seconds more, before at last death claims the revelers and drags them into the untold spaces between the stars, never to be seen again.

And they will fail. The peace they seek cannot be found. Not in drink, and not in one another.

>>52312734
>>52312748
Was it good though?

>>52312912
I remember there was an Unchained Swashbuckler document floating around here somewhere. The gist of Charmed Life was that it was a selectable "Add your Charisma modifier to this thing" and it ranged from Saves, to CMB/CMD, to I think Hitpoints too, and you could either choose to upgrade into full Divine Grace or going CHA/DEX SAD on everything.

My plan was to do something similar to that, but I'm not gonna tinker with it too heavily.

>>52311358
>>52311440
I don't really know much about F/SN. How close is this to the canon stuff? Could I just watch the show and get most of it?

>>52313001
Play the game, Realta Nua version. After that play Fate/Hollow Ataraxia, then you can read Fate/kaleid liner prisma illya

>>52312936
It's not SAD though, it's Con + Str (or Dex with Weapon Finesse), or Cha + those.

Since PLD is closing soon howlong until another monster rape ERP game opens up?

>>52313001
I wouldn't recommend watching the show, without context UBW loses a bit of punch. DEFINITELY don't watch the DEEN show.

>>52312936

The point of the feat is to 'Give Con-avowed some skills they are good at' as con has literally zero skills.

If you make it a static bonus, Cha avowed (Already good at skills) will just get better.

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>>52313025
Hopefully never.

>>52313012
>>52313027
Wait so is anon's stuff close enough that if I play the Realta Nua stuff shit will make sense enough to play?

>>52313025
But selections aren't until the 1st

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>tfw you finally figure out what the other half og your Gestalt is
>tfw it allows you to further build on the character's story
feelsgoodman.png

>>52313050
Yeah, sure.

>>52313050
Stop being autistic you piece of shit.

Anon's is a custom setting. It has little to nothing to do with actual Fate Stay/Night stuff.

You're basically asking if you need to have played Wasteland first in order to enjoy Fallout.

They're two entirely different things.

So just stop. Stop posting. Go to your bathroom. Fill the tub with water, and go sit there and relax and I dunno, put some bath salts in something. Come back in an hour. Now go. I don't make suggestions.

>>52313082

I love it when this happens.

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>>52313083
>>52313087
Man I'm just trying to figure out if I need to read a setting book or I can watch a show.

>>52313158
The anon is writing a setting book. THAT'S what you'll read. What
He
Writes
Why
Are
You
Not
Naked
And
In
Your
Bathrub?!

>>52313158
The anime's not as good as the VN but you can get by watching it.

>>52312964
I thought it was, though I was extremely exhausted at the time and thus a bit slow with the RP. We messed around with a contract-bound oni and talked about Cheliax Vult and filthy Iomedae believers.

>>52313142
Yup, Get to add a Spiritualist to my Sentinal, and fluff it as my character's dead brother who's desire to make amends and protect his long lost sister allow him to become her guardian spirit!

I'm so happy, I just now have to see if there's a good archetype for it other than vanilla spiritualist

>>52313201
This sounds really cute

>>52313201

That sounds really fun!

>>52312945
Except that wild arcana is now a standard?

>that new Planetary Launch Device app

The poor dear has no idea. I'm fully erect just thinking about it.

Is Paladin of the Holy Light even worth a damn?

>>52313292
I hope it will be

>>52313287
I dunno about cute. She is a 6ft tall Mwangi woman from Sargava, and she's not exactly the kind to have a moe attitude.

>>52313379
No.

>>52313379
Nah, she does ;3

>>52313387

Is she the rule 63 Yasuke?

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>>52313403
L O N D O N
O
N
D
O
N

>>52313403
>>52313379
Vult said he already vetted her on f-list. She's a guaranteed slot. Doesn't even need to fill out an character sheet.

>>52313387

>Implying tall, buff Mwangi girls can't be cute

>>52313435
I heard Vult say that the party was already locked in as an all male bamboozle who turn into girls by pissing in each other's mouths.

It's all in the discord man, you can check for yourself

Question!

I'm considering running a game in the near future.

What are the advantages and/or disadvantages of the following?

Completely open gestalt

T1/2 classes banned, gestalt

T1 classes allowed, T2/3 classes gestalt with an NPC class, t4/5 classes get a full gestalt with another t4/5 class

non-gestalt, free VMC

>>52313407
Yes
Her spirit is her older brother, who always felt guilt about how their family sold her into slavery. When he got older he tried to find her and save her, but he ended up getting killed by pirates in the Shackles. However his will to redeem himself and to save and protect his younger sister was so strong, that his spirit was pulled back to the Material Plane, and he was able to find and bind to his sister, so he can always watch over her and protect her like the brother he never had the chance to be for her.

>>52313446
Careful there, her spirit may break your fingers if you get too close

>>52313462
I saw that too. The new app is also playing a male. Just one that looks female. That's why it's a guaranteed slot. The first and so far only trap.

>>52313435
Aw, but then all the memeworthy mainstays won't get in

>>52313435
>>52313462

Vult Defense Force in full swing, I see.

You're those two sycophants that constantly rush to both his and 2hu's defense every time anyone snickers, right?

>>52313472
>T1/2 classes banned, gestalt
Just fucking ban the spells/classes you find problematic instead of the entire fucking class.

>>52313462
Link to discord?

>>52313484
Why hasn't anyone put a trap forward yet? Probably an instant in.

>>52313508
lurk more

>>52313472
>non-gestalt, free VMC
I hate this shit so much. Either the VMC is useless for me or comes with flavor of a class I actively despise.

I would rather have non gestalt period than free VMC.

>freaky Asian femboy Synthesist Monstrosity

I'm strangely aroused. Truly Vult has given us the gift that keeps on giving.

>>52313511
Cause you haven't applied yet.

>>52313480

I don't care! I will smooch her even if her brother disapproves! She's a sweetie and needs to feel like a woman, even for an afternoon!

>>52313472
Do not gestalt unless you have 2 or less people. The game will fall apart quickly otherwise.

Fullcasters don't matter that much unless you have someone trying to go silver bullet wizard, especially when 3pp starts on the field. Even then, that's not going to matter till mid levels.

Gestalt > Non-gestalt, so I don't ever see people not choosing gestalt options.

Non-gestalt, Free VMC is probably the best idea here, although you could just go 'Non-gestalt' and be fine.

>>52313514
Is it an public discord or something?

>>52313472
Why not
just
T3/4 only
no gestalt
or VMC?
Why.

>>52313472
>T1 classes allowed, T2/3 classes gestalt with an NPC class, t4/5 classes get a full gestalt with another t4/5 class
This is retarded, god damn

>>52313543

You don't wanna go there.

It's just the same clique of NEETs/college students talking about their ERP games and sharing logs about getting cocksleeved and then acting semi-ashamed.

>>52312417
I liked avowed when it was closer to an improved warlock. If you measured it up against a blaster, a god wizard, or a magically empowered melee monkey, it didn't measure up. But it could do all these things without much effort to build focus.

Then avowed came along, and focused it a little more with the pacts, but also made it pretty decent at things, and still a decent option for characters with shit stats.

Now it's becoming less powerful due to theory-crafting and optimisation, and it makes me sad that I could update the 3.5 warlock, with a proper D8 HD, and have a better generalist.

Does anyone know where I can grab a character sheet for PoW characters like Dyslexic Studeos character sheets? Something other than the generic 2 page Paizo character sheet.

>>52313569
I'd still like to see if the stuff said in the thread is accurate.

>>52313617
It's not. They're bamboozling you.

>>52313617
I dug through archives for the link a few days ago and confirmed for myself that it ain't. I'd link you so you can do it for yourself but I'm on my phone. Try starting from 4plebs or something, think it's the OP with the astronomer.

>>52313617
>>52313637

Every time a legit complaint is made, Vult and his sycophants(all of which are applicants into his game and are virtual shoo-ins into his game), make a bunch of outrageous claims to distract attention and flood the stuff he actually said way back into the logs.

They then come here and post a bunch of falseflag extra-obvious fake complaints to try and delegitimize shit.

>>52313644
Thanks, I'll check there.

>>52313668
Looking for a link to the Discord group?

https://discord.gg/RXmTKzC

here you go

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>>52310989
Underrated.

>>52313665
oh yeah, that bit about corruption being impossible to get rid of and just a count down to when you turn into an NPC cocksleeve was a real problem

That totally wasn't blatantly made up at all.

>>52313685
Found it already, but thank you.

>>52313717
No problem, just happy to help

>>52313585
I mean... We haven't TAKEN OUT any of the things that made it a generalist. Sure, your pact is going to make you better at one thing... (or all things, in the case of the deliberately generalist Dragon pact) but you should still have all the same options you did before.

We've ported everything we can from the 3.5e Warlock - what can it do that the Avowed can't? Our design goal was to ensure that you could do anything with the Avowed you could with the Warlock.

Why are we here, just to suffer?

When is Puella closing? It needs to END

>>52313864
Let's plan the next fun /pfg/ game that can open up after it closes.

I vote for a dark, low fantasy setting. What kinds of threats should there be?

>>52313864
Why would you bring it up again.

>>52313864
Day after tomorrow Apps close at midnight.

Then 8 days after that is when Vult makes his selection for Plump Lazy Democrats.

>>52313872
Giant Enemy Crabs.

>>52313872
Low fantasy is dumm. I want a grim setting with purehearted heroes are fighting back against the encroaching tide of darkness. And no monsters will be raping anyone.

Hey anons, RotJR is popular- primarily because it's mixing up Rise of the Runelords and Jade Regent.

What other APs could one mix up this way? I asked this question earlier and one response was Hell's Rebels into Serpent's Skull- but I want to hear your thoughts on which ones would mix really well (apart from the peanut-butter-and-jelly that is ROTJR)

>>52313864
There are plenty of non-PLD games open to apps right the fuck now, you don't have to wait.

>>52313921
There's probably something you could do with Carrion Crown and Strange Aeons. Nothing good, but something I'm sure.

>>52313921
We Be Goblins into Hell's Vengeance.

>>52313872
Roving sentient magic weapons that fly around and cut people. Large numbers of them sometimes gather into a whirling mass of steel and death. This phenomenon is referred to as...

SWORDNADO!

This summer. It's raining blades.

>>52312303
It's Path of War, so overpowered shit.

>>52313938
None of them are really that appealing to be honest.

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So last night, I discovered the Hell Knight. Amazing fluff, and a focus on Laful and Chaotic that is rarely touched upon. I even found the order I would be most interested in playing:The Order of the Pike. The problem is, there are literally NO sources on how to play them in game. They have no disciplines and no guide to their ideals other than: They hunt monsters. Does anyone have anything that I could use to make a playable Pike Hell Knight?

>>52313946
>le overPoWered meme
Could you come up with some new material?

>>52313921
Does anything mix with Reign of Winter?

>>52313962
How is it balanced, then?

>>52313950
>B'aww, I can't get raped in those other games!

>>52313946
>tfw you like the overpowered-ness of PoW, and the variety it brings.
>tfw I wish 1pp were gone
DELETE MNK 1PP

Man does ffxiv mnk need reworks.

>>52313964
considering that the beginning literally teleports you from a literally who town to iceland

i think it can go from any ap as a starting zone theoretically

>>52313998
Hells Rebels into Reign of Winter, then?

>>52313836
Craft magic items without needing a special archetype, for one. I'd like to say more, but between being out and about right now, (No autocorrect, not the materials to look over my various little nitpicks) and recognising I have a bit of a bias, I should probably just shut up before I make an idiot of myself.

Yes, everything that was the 3.5 warlock is in the avowed, and much more, absolutely. But the 3.5 lock already needed a little power boost, and I feel like not only the toys, but some of the generalist approach was segmented into different pact options that make it harder to do everything.

Don't get me wrong. I still like avowed.

Just not as much since it feels somewhat more segregated and focus friendly than the original warlock, and is definitely a step down from the playtests that got me on board.

>>52313951
I assume you've already read the Pathfinderwiki page and know at least three books that mention the Order of the Pike? If not, "What Lies in Dust," the first book of Council of Thieves, "The Emerald Spire Superdungeon," and "Giant Hunter's Handbook."

>>52313987
I'm not a lewdguy, I haven't applied to a /pfg/ game since RotJR.

>>52313913
Underrated post

>>52314009
>the HR party has just finished liberating Kintargo and are off fighting the rest of Cheliax possibly including the HV party

>"When'd it get so cold, guys? I didn't order an iced coffee."

>"Uh-oh."

>>52314023
I only discovered the prc yesterday and the articles on the books say nothing about the Pikes

>>52314057
HR Party A or B though?

>>52314071
A will never liberate Kintargo.

>>52313950
What would make a /pfg/ game appealing?

>>52314088
2hu will crash Party A with no survivors.

>>52314071
B. A will be called during the first book due to a bad case of 2hu.

>>52313913
There is LITERALLY nothing wrong with rape that isn't also wrong with murder.

>>52313872

Kingmaker.

I want Kingmaker as we talked about it last thread.

I want it I WANT IT.

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>>52314091
That.

>>52314112
too bad kingmaker's shit mate.

>>52314107
There are mechanics for murdering things.

>>52314107
Really anon? I've never heard anyone with firsthand experience talk about how bad murder is, have you?

>>52314112
Hmm, I've personally always wanted to play Iron Gods, because I think it sounds fun.

How viable would Iron Godmaker be?

>>52314122
Oh boy, something helpful.

>>52314123
You apparently weren't here for last(?) thread's kingmaker discussion

>>52313921
Skull & Shackles into LotLK

>>52313990
All it really brings are new ways to hit enemies and throw d6s at them, occasionally with an interesting effect. It's just Kineticist but better.

>>52314123

Not unless you FIX IT.

Isn't that what the General's supposed to do? We work out the kinks and give the finished product to a questsmith that can forge us a campaign to last the ages!

>>52314124
There totally are. Hamatulatsu lets you use unarmed strikes as piercing weapons.

Monks can use any part of the body as an unarmed strike.

>>52314127
It's pretty rough, bro. Bleeding out really takes the fun out of any activity.

>>52314091
I'd probably try to get into an Iron Gods game in a heartbeat. But then again, I probably wouldn't get in because I can't write for shit.

>>52314142
But kineticist is fucking overcomplicated trash. it needs like 4 fucking supplements to get off the ground. And then actually reading the mess of words it has in its own book.

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>>52314134
Did you honestly expect anything different?

>>52314131

Not very, unless the purpose of Iron Gods Book 1 is to give the party some extra dosh.

>>52313872
Rape monsters.

>>52314131
Anon, that's how Iron Gods ends. You turn a wAIfu into a goddess.

>>52314017
>Just not as much since it feels somewhat more segregated and focus friendly than the original warlock, and is definitely a step down from the playtests that got me on board.

... all they changed was removing the SAD options, though? Like that's the only thing.

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>>52314164
I really didn't

>>52314156
Definitely. Iron Gods and Curse of the Crimson Throne are at the top of my APs to Play list.

>>52311693
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koJlIGDImiU

>>52314146
>We work out the kinks
The only kinks we work out are how we wanna be fucked in our games.

So, HOW do we fix King Maker?

>>52314173
So just incorporate loads of kingdom-building shit and getting paid. I bet it would be fun, and people could play as wacky androids and shit.

>>52314200
Mostly changing the bbeg to a vilderavn, and fix the subsystems.

>>52314189
>Curse of the Crimson Throne
Man I played this, and maybe it was the GM but it really didn't live up to the hype.

>>52314170
I like the way you think. What's a good way we can encourage the players to get raped by monsters?

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why don't you use a flail /pfg/?

>>52314224
something something 2k loans

>>52314200
Trust your GM and burn the kingdom building rules for heat.

>>52314200
Ignore it.

>>52314226
Because there's no honor to fight for.

>>52314212
Really? I've heard it's neat. Which AP did you enjoy? Right now I'm stuck in a Mummy's Mask game with my cheating wife and the dude she's fucking, so that's not exactly a healthy group dynamic (though the DM is pretty cool.)

>>52314210
What CAN'T you fix by making the villain a Vilderavn with a pet Linnorm?

>>52314224
Daily bonus.

>>52314224
Well it's not really rape if you need to encourage them, now is it?

>>52314232
So the monsters are also bankers? That's an interesting twist. Certainly makes repossession and foreclosure a lot more intimidating. I imagine you'll regret it when they breach your piece

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>>52314226
Because I use a scythe.

>>52314226
Cause flail rhymes with fail. And that's too close for my tastes.

>>52314251
The pet linnorm is going to far mate, we've talked about this.

>>52314200

We outlined it all last thread, including a way to juryrig the building creation process!

>>52314251
Pathfinder's balance issues

>>52314251
Your lovelife

>>52314251
Entropy.

>>52314272
I wasn't here last thread. I was at work. Being a productive contributing member of society by paying taxes.

>>52314271
Okay, fine, drop the pet linnorm. But what APs actually improve if the villains are replaced with a Vilderavn?

>>52314277
So you're saying that fucker Chad is a Vilderavn, and the reason why I can't get a girl? Fuck chad

>>52314180
Not that anon, but similar problems
Instead of making this generalist more powerful to compete, we're going to make them specialize in specific builds if they want to be able to operate in pathfinder space.

>>52314286
>implying you can't do both
lel

>>52314292

There is literally a Chad NPC in Kingmaker that is designed to NTR your waifu and make her kill you and then herself.

>>52314226
A Warhammer has a x3 critical multiplier, while a light flail has a x2.

I don't have any excuses for not using a heavy flail.

>>52314292
Vilderavns could be used anytime one would say it was the jews.

>>52314286
>I was futilely struggling against the inevitable rather than enjoying myself for what few years I have left

There is no tomorrow, anon.

>>52314251
The guy in >>52314247's marriage.

>>52314247
I enjoyed the first book of Iron Gods immensely and I did get through like the first two books of rune-lords before we went off the rails into a home-brew campaign.
Things I played but didn't enjoy
>Wrath of the Righteous
>Kingmaker
Cures of the Crimson Throne game was alright all things considered, but that was because the GM had to keep changing out a bunch of stupid shit and patching up plotholes. I don't regret my time playing it unlike Kingmaker and Wrath.

>>52314292

Replace you know who in Curse of the Crimson Throne with a Vilderavn.

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>>52314292
I feel like we're slowly mirroring /k/ and their obsession with skinwalkers with our newfound obsession with vilderavn.
>inb4 HE COULD BE ME, HE COULD BE YOU
I'm fine with it

>>52314330
guys
guys
mimic vilderavn

>>52314330
/k/ and skinwalkers? This is new to me. I need an explanation of this.

>>52314319
Who?

>>52314341
ANON NO STOP

>>52313978
How is it not? It's a goddamn Kineticist and is limited to level 6 maneuvers, while only having 3/4 BAB, a single good save, but is supposed to be in melee using Kinetic Blade. The one saving grace is that it has Con for it initiation modifier so it only needs physical stats, and even then its AC will be SHIT because only light armor proficiency!

It also loses a ton of Kineticist utility so you're losing a huge amount of the fucking reason to play the class in the first place, you're effectively a Fighter with an elemental theme, except with Advanced Weapon/Armor Training the Fighter is probably better than you.

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>>52314341
WHY?

>>52314341
>open chest
>you were expecting some nifty loot?
>too bad! It's just me, Vilderavn!
this is going too far