Warhammer 40,000 General

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First for da Orks!

>>52314152

New rules when

>>52314115
>the thrice thread age
May unification protect us from such degeneracy in the future.

How many Fenrisian wolves do you own, /40kg/?

>>52314181
When Shadow War: Armageddon is released.

New rules kinda, for that game.

>>52314197

Er, 2 build, 2 on the base of a Stormfang, and a head on a weirdboy's belt

and the rest unbuilt

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Someone wanna help walk me through the Mathhammer for Asterion Moloc vs Kaldor Draigo?
I know that it's on 1d4chan, but my friend (who plays GK) wants a step by step for proof, he doesn't see what makes Moloc so good

If I want to get plasma guns and melta guns for IG veterans what is a good way to get them? So far it looks like the only places to get them are the command squad and the melta/plasma guardsman packs that appear to only carry one of each.

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What armies would you recommend for running intro games for complete noobs?
Chaos vs Marines for symmetry?
A horde race vs a Elite race for asymmetry?
shooty vs melee?

>>52314227
eBay mate. Fuck.

>>52314197
None, the only wolves I have are a trio of thunder wolves I converted from juggernauts of khorne, then I abandoned them after they become buffed in 6th ed

>>52314227
Gotta Ebay that shit!

I just bought a bunch of command squad packs, personally. The extra bits can be converted into battlefield debris or augment the regular squaddies to make your money feel less wasted.

>>52314250
Guard with a squad of Marines and dreadnought allies against orks with a flyer and one of their super heavies to widely explain the different units in the game

Anons, should I go for two Blitza-Bommers, two Dakkajets, or Blitza-Bommer and Dakkajet in my 1500 casual list?

Using Da Finkin' Kap and rolling both Warlord Traits on the Strategic table in order to get Strategic Genius for guaranteed T2 Air Support and maybe either Conqueror of Cities for help in ruins or Night Attacker for the cover saves, or Master of Ambush for the delicious Outflanking and Infiltrating.

Where do I find the rules for the Deathwatch army? Is it a full codex? Is it a supplement? I'm confus

>>52314197
80

Bark bark!

>>52314315
In OP's links, mega. Its full codex.

>>52314132
Why wouldn't he be able to apply the markerlights?

>>52314227
forgeworld DOT co DOT uk SLASHY en-ES/Legion-Melta-Gun-Set-2015

>>52314313
There isn't a single try hard ork list every configuration is good for casual play

>>52314349
Anon doesnt know his rules. He doesnt know that you cant charge from reserves and doesnt know about either Interceptor on Marker Drones or Supporting Fire.

>>52314313
Dakkajets. The answer is in the name.

>>52314357
thats just wrong.

you can do some serious jew shit with orks if you want.

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R8 my list. This is for local tournaments where the competition won't quite be WAAC, but will still be tough.

>>52314308
That seems like too much of a mess for a new player to sort out...

>>52314308
Don't forget the psykers!

>>52314357
Only one i can think of was greentide

>100 boyz in a unit
>1 pain boy
>no precision weapons

Fun game i almost got em all

>>52314365
Okay, that's what I thought. Supporting fire is so nice.

>>52314222
Post their datasheets

>>52314413
>precision weapons doing anything vs ICs meme
What part of 2+ look out, sir after needing 6's to hit do you people not understand?

>>52314426
Its still possible for him to fail, its easier than digging through 100 boyz that disintegrated whatever i charged at them, i sure rolled plenty of 1s for armour saves

So there really was nothing of note at that seminar or did that not even happen yet?

Or should I just wait some more time to potential news to appear?

>>52314115
What's the Adepticon announcement? Has it happened yet? What do we know from Adepticon so far? I haven't been keeping track.

>>52314426
>What part of 2+ look out, sir after needing 6's to hit do you people not understand?

>Precision Shots are not only "precision" weapon
>3 Wyverns
>Green Tide's Painboss
>Hit on first scatter on painboss' head
>27 wounds later there is 6" big crater of no-boyz where Painboss was

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any idea on a release date? itching on making a FW order but i dont want to if this is coming out soon

>>52314469
Yeah but how often do you roll a 1 for an armour save after getting Snap Shotted? Now imagine you also still get to make another save, and feel no pain on top of that.

>>52314264
>>52314282
Thanks, just started collecting Guardsmen so I'm pretty retarded.

Pre-FAQ and Imperial Agents did anyone try running a bunch of individual units of Ordo Xenos Inquisitors with rad grenades, and then charging them 1 by 1 into an enemy unit? My friends and I scoured the rulebook(s), but didn't find anything that prevented having enough of these guys (usually 4, though 5 or 6 is nice to be safe) charging a unit, lowering it's toughness to 0, and wiping the squad before anyone can attack. What were we missing?

>>52314496
I've been asking for months, man. There have been absolutely no mentions of it in ages. I just want to see some Admechs wreck the Tau....

>>52314496
Seems they're delaying it until after the release of 8th edition because it'll immediately be made obsolete otherwise.

>>52314514
>What were we missing?
A sense of RAI and fun.

>>52314514
Read the rules section about toughness. It can't go below 1 or something like that.

>>52314531
That's not true at all. If you drop Toughness to 0 the model is killed the same as if you drop Wounds to 0.

>>52314496
It seems FW has there priorities on the other books so far.

My guess is that they were told to just delay it for 8th instead of doing it for 7th, just for some major changes to rebalance the entire game as it stands right now and things being outdated 2 months after release.

>>52314530
We only ran it once to test it out, and then house ruled it out of existence. I just wanna see if rules wise we missed anything.

>>52314531
If S/T/W drops to zero, you die.

>>52314546
The same rule doesn't stack multiple times unless it says it does. Rad Grenades are all using the same rule, so they don't stack with themselves.

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>>52314514
You're missing nothing, it works. Stick them in a Skitarii Vanguard unit and table them.

>>52314531
Nupe.

>>52314496
Someday between January 2017 and plastic sisters.

>>52314555
That's what we thought, but because it's wargear and not a special rule, we weren't sure. It seems like an immediate effect, and not a special rule so much.

In an other note on Inquisitorial shenanigans, have y'all tried running an Ordo Malleus Inq. with 2 Daemon Blades? Because some of the abilities are passive, and others apply to the sword as a weapon, it seems like if you get lucky you could have a pretty great melee machine for 85 points.

>>52314573
That's what I thought, we were laughing about charging them into a Green Tide squad and wiping all 100 boyz before they can attack.

>>52314514
Rad doesn't stack it says if they get charged by rad carriers they get -1T. Not -1T for each unit or each rad carrier

>>52314357
I mean, all Grot armies like a Big Meks with Mega Armor conferring Slow and Purposeful to Mek Gun Batteries is pretty cancerous, seeing as Mek Gunz are 18ppm for Kannons and Lobbas, or 30ppm for the other ones that are really good too.

>>52314379
I dunno, Blitza-bommers are really good too. Their Boom Bombs can remove anything, but Dakkajets are BS3 with 9 S6 AP4 shots.

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>>52314629
As long as the Inquisitors charge independantly, it does stack. It wouldn't if they're all in one unit.

>>52314629
"During a turn in which a unit equipped with rad grenades launches an assault, or is
assaulted, the enemy unit(s) suffer a -1 penalty to their Toughness until the end of the
phase (this does affect the victims’ Instant Death threshold)."
This is from the Inq. Codex prior to Imperial Agents. It seems like if the attacking squads go 1 at a time, it happens when the squad assaults, and has nothing to do with the squad getting assaulted. So it seems like it might work

>>52314674
Beat me to it.

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Hey guys, rate my grand convo list

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>>52314115
How's my doubles tournament tau list?

>>52314499
Im not saying its improbable, im saying its not impossible. Its a dice game.

>>52314742
A bit light on markerlights.

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It feels like running this around would be pretty fun, and pretty fun for wiping big nasties. You charge the Crusaders first to soak up any overwatch, if you expect to fight anything with a toughness higher than 6, you just remove a crusader and chuck in another Inquisitor.

>>52314695
Haven't read GS1, what benefits does Grand Convo get?

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Is my list viable at 1250?

Librarius/telepathy with the two terminator librarians, divination on the third.

I could possibly move some points around to go for terminator armor and biomancy on the third librarian but I was going to have him roll with the marines for prescience.

Termy libs go with the cataphractii

>>52314746
It's also not impossible to kill a Riptide with 10 lasguns. But good luck.

>>52314766
2 squads of 5 usually do well for me at 1500 points...

I can bump one squad up to 5 and have 9 points left by dropping the velocity tracker. What else?

>>52314767
>he literally did not read the discussion
Even before the FAQ that wholly invalidated this meme, what you are trying to do wouldn't have worked the way you are trying to do it

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I just got my tax returns, now I'm filing out a YUUUUGE order from Z. Let's make THE BFG DIVISION a reality!
> 6 Leviathans, all in drop pods!
> 3 Deredeo dreadnoughts
> 3 Spartan Assault Tanks, all with Tartaros squads inside
> A Fellblade

>>52314779
IWND on the vehicles, and PotMS if they're within 6" of one of the HQs as well I believe.

Any tips for getting more survivability as Death watch? I'm used to Chaos Marines where loading up on cheap bodies or other methods is usually a lot simpler.

>>52314514
I deleted so much T3/4/5 units with it.

I once deleted a Riptide. The fucker rage quit so hard that he came to pick up his stuff the next day.

>>52314767
The main problem is getting those inquisitors into combat without them being shot to pieces.

Even with three wounds, and if you gave them power armor, they're still T3 models that can be instagibbed by multilasers/scatlasers or just bolter'd to death.

>>52314809
Good job on cheating I guess?

Although Tau deserve it.

>>52314820
>Cheating

But it was legal.

>>52314801
Correct

>>52314797
I read the discussion, and it seemed like most people were saying that it may work pre-FAQ.
The plan with this is you ride them around, split 'em up when you disembark, charge the crusaders as 1 unit, then send in the totally rad inquisitors.

>>52314695
Pretty sure this list is illegal. You need 4 Troops don't you?

>>52314825
Anyone who thought the grenade effect stacking with itself was how the rule was intended to work was obviously being a cheaty jackass just looking for an OP joke-build. Now that it's FAQ'd you can't even pretend that that was the case, you can only pretend to be retarded and claim you thought it was actually supposed to be that way.

>>52314798
For what purpose

>>52314855
Show us on the doll where the stacking Rad-Grenades touched you anon

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Necrons are cool, the have the coolest shit for wargear, everything sound otherworldly powerful and majestic.

>>52314115
i want a killcannon for my looted rhino.

i have a ion cannon in my bitz box. would that be ok? i would loot it up propa of course

>>52314782
halp

Hey, I haven't played since sixth edition, and was thinking about getting back into the game.
Would anyone be willing to look at my list, and tell me if I should change anything, or if I have some weakness that needs filled?

Fist of Medusa Strike Force:

Battle Demicompany:
Captain - Chapter Master, Bike, Gorgon's Chain, Power fist.
Command Squad - Bikes, Apothocary.
Tac Squad - 5 man, naked
Tac Squad - 5 man, Lascannon
Tac Squad - 5 man, drop pod, meltagun, combi-melta.
Combat bike -1
Centurian Devastators - 3 man Grav, Omniscope

Skyhammer:
2 drop pods
2 Devastator squads, 10 man (combat squad when they come out) 2 grav, 2 multimelta each
2 Assault squads, 5 man, Jump packs and 2 flamers each.

Librarius:
3 Librarians, naked.
Figured one could go with the centurians to give a midfield FnP bubble while twin linking their guns, the other two could pop out of the drop pod with the tac squad and psy shriek and some other shooty psi attack.

It's 1850.
Thoughts, ideas, places I could improve?
I haven't played in years, so I'm not really sure what other people play these days, but I know a store nearby runs monthly tournaments.
Thanks.

>>52314857
Being /that guy/ who blows too much money on too many recasted Leviathans and Didgeridoo Dreadnoughts

>>52314857
For Apocalypse games. There's an annual apocalypse game at my local Geedubs at the weekend following Thanksgiving.. Which is called "Tanksgiving". In which everyone just brings the entirety of their vehicle collection.

Last year me and my buddy brought like 29 dreadnoughts between the two of us, with enough drop pods for all of them, and we ended up taking home the Trophy for sweeping a guard parking lot so hard, the master of apocalypse allowed the entirety of the parking lot to RESPAWN, only to get swept off the board again.

This year I want to show up and see people literally shit themselves when I put 6 Leviathan Dreadnoughts on the table. Last year I only had one, and it fucking Solo'd two superheavies.

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>first news from Adepticon preview is that they're adding comments to Community site

>>52314514
Which line of the FAQ is the relevant one here? Or is the printing in Imperial Agents different from the one in Inquisition?

>>52314795
Your list is currently showing two 4x PF teams, not 5. I'm a fan of taking the Fire Warrior Shas'ui for the markerlight+target lock in order to chain markerlights.

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>>52314829
Right you are

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>>52314883
Whats the best way to counter these as Space Marines (Dark Angels specifically). Have my first game against them on Tuesday, grav guns was my first thought?

>>52314938
I'm aware, the idea was that if 2x5 pathfinders is enough for a 1500 list, 2x4 might be enough for 1250.

>>52314926

Not really a great idea, we already have plenty of shitposting platforms and they'll need to stick someone on endless clean up duty.

>>52314682
Yeah. I've been dreaming of getting a super-heavy transport for my 30k DG and putting small squads in there, each with a rad grenade sergeant. Then just drive up to the enemy deathstar and charge in, killing the fodder before any blows are exchanged. Won't kill a primarch, but with its reduced toughness it's much easier to wound.

>>52314811
You shove 'em in the Land Raider, that's why it's there, you combine them into 1 squad, then split 'em up when they disembark

Anyone have a link to flight of the Eisenstein as a PDF or some other easy to read format? Only been able to find one but its layout was awful.

>>52314798
>Raptors Anon is another obnoxious recast shill
Who'd have thunk?

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>>52314975
With enough rad grenades it will... You just gotta be totally radical.

40k radio is at the GW talk at Adepticon and are posting the news on their twitter.

>They'll also be introducing an interactive FAQ platform for questions and voting on rulings.

>>52314798
>ordering from Z
Enjoy your misshapen lumps of resin.

>>52315011
You sure you're in the right thread? Sounds a lot like a 30k list.

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>>52315032
My first leviathan from Z was nearly indistinguishable from the real deal. Once painted, it's 100% indistinguishable. I'm no stranger to working with china resin bro.

>>52314987
Then they wipe exactly one unit, and then get shot to shit.

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Welp, 40k had a good run whilst it lasted. RIP 1987-2017.

>>52315058
Is that muhreen wearing a bomb vest?

>>52315058
I got two models from him to test him out and they were both beyond awful. I'd rather pay the premium and go with MI. I've gotten a whole lot from her and they're all perfect.

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This its my list for a friendly tournament this weekend, why do you thinks anons?

>>52315058

fuck all those pouches look like shit stacked like that

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>>52315071
Why are Magnus and gorillaman kissing

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Neat.

>>52315086
It got painted up later as a Medkit and some ammo pouches.

>>52315069
Well, that's true, just make sure you pick the right unit.

>>52315071
Magnus/Guilliman slashfic?

>>52315109

>space marines will ignore the new morale rules

not neat

>>52315093
Question, did you use M's site or email? I thought about ordering from them but the site seems kinda sketch.

>>52315071
What am I even looking at here?

>>52315071
Well, manga style was the last thing I expected from this....though some narrative is always interesting, I'll just view this with extreme caution.

>>52315109
How does morale work in AoS?

https://twitter.com/40kRadio
Death Guard previews are up.

>>52315086
He comes from a peaceful space marine chapter.

>>52315109

>40K ISN'T GETTING SIGMAR'D
>IT TOTALLY ISN'T HAPPENING GUISE!
>NEVER WILL THAT THING THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW HAPPEN!

>>52315102
>>52315116

Their having a manly staredown.

Why do you fagbags instantly assume their about to tickle each other's dicks?

Bunch of slack jawed virgin faggots

>>52315129
The Future™

>>52315102
>N-no, Oni-chan!

>>52315128
I made the order on the site, and then e-mailed with the order number and asked for a paypal invoice instead of using their dodgy site payment.

DEATH GUAAAAAAAAARD

>>52315124
That seems broken.

>>52315109
What do they mean by thematic armies being rewarded? Maybe they're cutting down on the superfriends thing?

>>52315102
Because the bros haven't seen each other for nearly 10,000 years. They need a moment to let out all that pent up angst out over their paternal disagreements.

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>>52315133

WE BLIGHT KINGS NOW

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>>52315109
>Morale will work the same as AOS

H..how does it work in AOS?

>>52315146
Do you think love can bloom on the battlefield?

>>52315160
>Maybe they're cutting down on the superfriends thing?

But superfriends is thematic now...

>>52315129

The age of Sigmar general's handbook consisted of the back third of the book which people actually use, and two thirds were dedicated to trying to pretend no points was still valid to save face.

The three styles to play that are in practice matched only are the same three from the general's handbook.

So yes, we are getting Sigmarized 40k. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.

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>>52315128

Different anon, but I ordered through MI's site and then e-mailed for PayPal. I'm quite pleased with her stuff. All the ACs are MI and the head is LF, who also surprised me.

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>>52315032
>Enjoy your misshapen lumps of resin
>tfw everything I have ever gotten from him has been fine and look just like FW/GW products

>>52315109
Sounds good to be quite honest familia.

>>52315168

Basically each unit has a leadership value that you roll a dice and add the casualities the unit suffered. If you roll over the units leadership you subtract that many models from the unit "ie, th ran away"

>>52315168

D6 + the number of models that died compared to Bravery - whatever you rolled in excess of your Bravery is dead.

>>52315168

By every point you fail a morale test, a model dies.

Not, you take a wound, a model just dies even if it has like 5 wounds.

Why is there debate over whether AL is Loyalist or Traitor?
Legion is pretty clear they're traitors to the Imperium as it's better for the galaxy as a whole. Things may not have worked out as planned/they were told, but that doesn't change their actions.

>>52315164
So is each mono-god traitor legion going to get unique termis now? Little sad these don't look a bit like the death guard termis for HH though

>>52315168
I played a game of it once with my Fantasy stuff, I think it goes like
>roll a D6 and add your dead dudes
>subtract your morale value
>that many people run away and are lost
I remember that my skinks had a morale so high that you literally had to kill all but one in a single round to make the last one flee if you rolled a 6.

>>52315156
Thanks! I'm looking to get a high quality resin copy of Coteaz because metal is a pain to deal with and finecast seems to be nightmarish.

>>52315201
>>52315203
>>52315206
Doesn't sound too bad.

Dunno how ATSKNF will work with that though.

>>52315209
Fucking Noise Termis when?

>>52315144

At least it is a more serviceable game than 40k is in its current iteration.

Warhammer: Age of Guilliman
when?

Stormforged Stormsworn Stormmarines with Stormguns and Stormswords riding Stormbikes with Stormbanner of Storms

>>52315144
Why are you even here?

>>52315109
>moral will work like AoS
>70% of all armies will ignore it
>NL and Deldar still shit

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Guys, I'm new to CSM and want to build either a Death Guard or Emperors Children (fluffy) army.

What do I need for anti-air/FMC?
My gaming circle has eldar fliers, heldrakes, vendettas and a flyrant.

Plz halp

>>52315229
Probably have LD10 like Undead in AoS.

>>52315206
this its fucking retarded

>>52315206
....won't this make blob lists insanely overpowered?

>>52315234
If it's age of gulliman replace storm with ultra.

>>52315241
I sure don't want my soulless murderbots to run away from some Deldar faggots who can't even hurt them with their poison.

>>52315231
The slaanesh oriented release?

>>52315109
Movement values in 40k, fuck yes. That might actually help unfuck units getting to CC since now you can't have guardsmen kite freaking marines

>>52315229

No, it's pretty fucking bad. It means the more elite a unit is the more drastically it suffers from failing morale.

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Have a few of the FW plague marine kits now I'm wondering if I should wait to put them together to mix and match with these new plague dudes...

>>52314956
Personally, I'd try to bring as much doubling-out weapons as possible to reduce their Protocols.

They're also rather easy to clean up with dedicated melee due to their terrible Initiative.

>>52315257
>....won't this make blob lists insanely overpowered?
>Horde armies cost more
>It all works out for GW

>>52315097
Drone controllers do nothing for shield drones so drop then all
Drop the commander's shield drones and targeting system for iridium armor
Drop Devilfish targeting system and take disruptor pods instead
Drop stealth fusion blaster and 1 drone
Drop 1 drone from each crisis squad, drop the Shas'ui for a normal suit, and take dual guns on all of them
Take Longstrike in the hammerhead with the points you're saving
Split up the Broadsides into different units.
If this leaves you with enough points, take another fire warriors unit
Be ready to lose since you don't have good ways to combine firepower, or any of your stronger units

>>52315257

No because there is no cap on how many can die. If I kill 15 models and your bravery is 8 at a bare minimum I am going to kill another 8 and that assumes your horde had such a high bravery to start.

>>52314782
What are the odds of that

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>>52314943
>only 2 dunecrawlers

Pffff, it's like you don't even Laser.

>>52315266

armour modifiers sounds more exciting for the game than movement values but yeah it should be interesting

>>52315277
Nice Nurgle dubs

I'd wait though.

>>52315241
>Movement value is coming back
The time of the Dark Eldar is now

>>52315109
so does thematic armies mean the end of the 1HQ 2Troops/CAD?

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>>52315290
That is one sexy list

>>52315164
that guy looks like he's wearing a bib

The rest look nice, though it's not a huge surprise seeing them.

>>52315297

Meanwhile Night Lords will still suck forever.

>>52315209

Are those even Terminators? They look more like bloated PA.

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>>52315109
>Chargin units will strike first
LISTEN UP YOU GITS, NOW IS DA TIME OF DA ORKZ!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

>>52315263
I can't wait to play against the Aeldaer™, the Aourrikkz™, the Tyranodontryx™, the Taunshikoi™, the Khaoutixes Astrarties™, the Nekhretyxontyr™, and the Astra Militarum sum Plus Ultra™

>>52314926
Nice. Expect Cruddace to be out of a job within 2 months once all the Tyranid and Orks players start swarming and WAAAGHING the comments section in droves.

>>52315109
This sounds fucking amazing.

Finally my 20-man Templar blobs will be able to properly do shit in mirror-matches and be guaranteed to kill what they attack without many losses!

And then be gunned to shreds in shooting if they don't nerf it.

>>52315277
Play mix and match or use one GW kit for one squad, a FW kit for another. How long till we see what the kits look like anyways? I have 10 I was going to use for bikers too

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>>52315308
>that guy looks like he's wearing a bib

Just like his fantasy counterpart

>>52315209

The one next to him clearly has a backpack. I don't think those are Terminators.

>>52315314
it's PA, you can see his MK3 style backpack with the horns in place of exhausts

>>52315326

I'd rather play against silly named factions in a good ruleset than the current edition of 40k. But otherwise a nice argument.

>>52314152
Those'll be Orruks now, sorry. :^)

>>52315283
Thanks anon, time for some changes

>>52315030
That actually sounds awesome, holy shit.

>>52315367
If they mean that rules interpretations are based on voting and not what the designers meant when they wrote the rules, it's actually pretty fucking scary.

>>52315326
AULTRAEMAERINES ATTACK! IN THE NAME OF THE AEMPAERORI!

>>52315071
The Sigmarification is beginning. Hope you guys enjoy AoS ruleset. It's coming to the 41st Millennium.

>>52315030
>interactive FAQ
Neat. Finally there won't be lengthy discussions with people arguing that "Plasma (As stated in the rules) only means Pistols, Guns and Cannons".

>voting on rules
That sounds...interesting?

>>52315355
Last Chance to buy all those oldass forge world kits! Never to be reprinted!

40K? I'm sorry, we've concluded that specialty game, please understand, thanks for playing.

>>52315386

I do - it a great ruleset once they added GH.

>>52315071
>"ROBUTE!"
>"MAGNUS!"
>"ROBUTE!!"
>"MAGNUS!!"
>*smooch*
>"B-b-but brother! We can't do that on the battlefield!"

Anon looking to start imperial fists. Basically picked units I think look cool while still trying to be competitive. What do you guys think? (I have never played marines before)

[1845pts]

Chapter Tactics: Imperial Fists

Psychic Powers: Discipline: Geokinesis

+ HQ +

Captain Lysander [230pts]

Librarian [90pts]: Psyker Level 2
·· Librarius Armour: Bolt Pistol, Force Stave

+ Elites +

(FW) Contemptor Dreadnought [215pts]: Extra armour, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon

(FW) Contemptor Dreadnought [235pts]: Extra armour, Twin-Linked Lascannon, Twin-Linked Lascannon

Cataphractii Terminator Squad [185pts]
·· 4xCataphractii Terminator: Combi-Bolter, Lightning Claw

Leader with grenade harness. Storm bolter and lightning claw
+ Troops +

Tactical Squad [130pts]
·· Drop Pod: Storm Bolter
·· Space Marine: Boltgun
·· Space Marine: Boltgun
·· Space Marine (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Bolter
·· Space Marine (Special Weapon): Plasma gun
·· Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Boltgun

Tactical Squad [130pts]
·· Drop Pod: Storm Bolter
·· Space Marine: Boltgun
·· Space Marine: Boltgun
·· Space Marine (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Bolter
·· Space Marine (Special Weapon): Plasma gun
·· Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Boltgun

Tactical Squad [130pts]: Rhino
·· Space Marine: Boltgun
·· Space Marine: Boltgun
·· Space Marine (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Bolter
·· Space Marine (Special Weapon): Plasma gun
·· Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Boltgun

Tactical Squad [130pts]: Rhino
·· Space Marine: Boltgun
·· Space Marine: Boltgun
·· Space Marine (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Bolter
·· Space Marine (Special Weapon): Plasma gun
·· Space Marine Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Boltgun

+ Heavy Support +

Predators [140pts]
·· Predator: Lascannon, Twin-Linked Lascannon

Thunderfire Cannons [100pts]: Thunderfire Cannon

Vindicators [130pts]
·· Vindicator: Siege Shield

>>52315397

Again you've failed to put together a compelling argument as to why changing the shit show that is 40k's current rule set would be a bad thing. Alternately as someone who played during WHFB ET we're not going to see the setting change so drastically as is evidenced by the GS books.

>>52315357
Only if I want to get sued.

>>52315385
Who is this so called "Emperor" you speak of? Are you referring to our Liege Lord Roubute Guilliman, Greatest Chamnpion of The AEimperium, He Who Shall Lead Mankind Against The Befouled Xenos and Khaoutyx?

>>52315397
No seriously why are you here?

>>52315109
>Movement coming back
Good.

>Armour save modifiers
Very good.

>Charging units strike first
...Dunno about this one, but alright.

>AoS Morale
NO. FUCK NO.

>>52315357
195th for Orruks! (I2 melee race)

>>52315439
Presumably he is the one person who actually LIKES 40k as it is now, and is upset that it is changing.

>>52315438
>Guilliman
>opposing xenos
Kek, obvious bait

>>52315399
>I enjoy every table just being a blob of mass infantry in a giant scrum at the center of the table
>I enjoy snipers still shooting into and out of melee

>>52315386
Most of the stuff they're bringing in were elements present in 2nd edition 40k, and if they swing it right I'll be quite happy with them. At the very least they'll stop fucking frankensteining 3rd edition's efficient rules with more bloat.

AoS's problems are mostly elsewhere. Which, hopefully, they'll improve on.

>>52315450
Presumably there are some xenos he doesn't want to fuck.

>>52315399

General's handbook added half-assed points (no individual models or upgrades, just flat costs for base unit size) and started a trend of being able to give extra relics and spells out to armies.

What it didn't do was fix any of the problems with the core ruleset.

>>52315457

>I enjoy having never seen or played a competitive game of AoS.

>>52315447
What's wrong with AoS morale?

>>52315130
>Well, manga style was the last thing I expected from this..

It's the tumblrina artist who does Eagle Ordinary

>>52315448

I2 doesn't matter if you always strike first on the charge

I, for one, fully welcome any new rules changes.

I've long been on the "can't get worse" train and the few things we know so far already sound lightyears ahead of how things currently work.

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>>52315479
>I've long been on the "can't get worse" train and the few things we know so far already sound lightyears ahead of how things currently work.
>Can't get worse
>Can't
>Get
>Worse

>>52315266
Now all they need to do is nerf humans and equivalents back down to 4" movement and keep Tyranids at 6" or more and we might be getting somewhere.

>>52315473

GH also added scenarios which are pretty fucking important to helping the game move along.

Ultimately AoS + GH is a better game than 40k is right now.

>>52315478
Actually, it might be a case of "When you charge a unit with identical initiative, your unit will always strike first".

That would not break things like Hammernators absolutely obliterating anything that they might possibly decide to point their hammers at.

>>52315474
>I enjoy having never seen or played a competitive game of AoS.
Where would someone see something like that? I personally have only gotten to watch 15 or so games of AOS since it launched, but 14 of them ended with a blob in the table center. The exception was a Chaos Dwarf army that never moved so the blob formed in their deployment area.

>>52315498
Are you still upset about WAAAGH Ghaghzkull?

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>>52315109

Neat.

>>52315474
AoS moral is nastry on hordes and would decimate low ld units. It's casualties + d6. If greater than morale value, remove the difference. Else, nothing happens. On the plus side, unit's won't break and run off the table, just suffer more casualties and die. On the downside, it can wreck hordes and tends to do nothing to low model count units

>>52315503
Or it could just be the bonus attacks from chargng are made at I10 or something. Psuedo hammer of wrath.

>>52315463
>if they swing it right
>the people that made the last edition making good decisions

>>52315473
Don't forget you have shit like the Arachanrok which costs 280 for the base spider, but then also 280 for a howdah of goblins attached to it that give it 9 more attacks, but then also a shaman added to the howdah.

>>52315474
>>I enjoy having never seen or played a competitive game of AoS.
Because this solves the stupidity of Imperial Handgunners that are fighting in melee with a unit shooting a completely different unit 14 inches away.

>What's wrong with AoS morale?
Beyond the fact that elite armies get fucked in the ass by it since it deals in models rather than wounds?

>>52315519
>Implying I am a ork player just cause of the pic related
Special brand of autism here boyz.

>>52315503
That's how it works now though? If it's your turn and you charge a unit with equal initiative then you go. If it's your opponents turn then he goes first.

>>52315474
>What's wrong with AoS morale?
Because you just know they're going to fuck it up by not properly writing the new rules for ATSKNF and Synapse and everything else that interacts with morale. Not to mention Daemons lose part of their unique flavor when everyone is suddenly blinking out of existence on a bad Ld test.

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Still trying to get suggestions about this list.

I think it will do well but I've been out of the game for a bit.

Herald #1 gets grimore, #2 gets portalglyph, #3 gets a greater etherblade and regular etherblade, and the one of the steed gets the eternal blade.

>>52315510
And it's our problem you can't into tactics?

>>52315500

You're gonna tell us "Rolling two turns in a row and rampaging through enemy lines adds tactical depth" next, right?

>>52315503

Depending on the move speed of those terminators, they might not do a whole lot of charging anyway. Besides, what aren't hammernators going to obliterate in combat regardless of when they strike?

>>52315548
I suggest you read the rulebook.

>>52315524

You can use hero abilities in AoS to nullify morale.
Hordes are effective when you govern them correctly.

>>52315510

Go watch any of the LVO coverage of the AoS tournament or any of the upcoming ACon stuff.

>>52315524

Don't really see anything wrong with that. Horde armies still stay locked in combat but aren't full on unbreakable tarpits. Also see >>52315537 to see that neither of you are right about AoS morale. Purely based on the fact that you believe the opposite end of the spectrum.

>>52315537

I don't see a problem with Handgunners fighting in one combat and shooting in another. Other than 'realism' I don't have a problem with that from a game play point of view. It isn't as if the Handgunners are good in combat.

>>52315231
Literally never. I'm not really sure how people aren't getting the picture about GWs long term plans about slaanesh at this point.

>>52315548
What? No, the fuck are you on?

You get 1 extra attack for charging, but everything is just resolved at its regular initiative, unless a Special Rule changes the order.

>/40kg/ doesn't play 40k
Always fun to have that cliche proven.

>>52315566
I've NEVER PLAYED Age of Sigmar. I am attempting to ask you what tactical advantage players get from not blobbing in the middle of the table.

>>52315209
Probably just nurgle and khorne. You know, the two popular gods.

>>52315463
2nd edition rules with 6/7th ed army sizes would be the absolute worst fucking thing imaginable. So unless 8th also involves doubling or tripling the points cost of everything I'd be worried.

Everyone is predicting doom and gloom with the change in 40k's rules but I actually like the streamlined approach in AoS.

There's almost no arguing in AoS over what a rule means or how it interacts with other rules.

I'm also looking forward to anything that makes my beloved Blood Angels playable again and makes the assault phase important.

>>52315587
>I don't see a problem with Handgunners fighting in one combat and shooting in another. Other than 'realism' I don't have a problem with that from a game play point of view. It isn't as if the Handgunners are good in combat
I could by them shooting the unit they are engaged with, but really? Shooting another unit 12 inches away?

>>52315109
does this guy have a source or something

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How the hell are vehicles gonna work?

>>52315553
>ATSKNF
You mean Bravery 10 isn't good enough for you? Gosh, what an entitled player.
>Synapse
Just KEYWORD buffs for Tyranid units.

>>52315566
The dude literally said 15 matches that he had watched. That pretty firmly suggests that he wasn't even playing in most or even any of them. And if the entire meta in his area devolves into scrums. That if you talk about scrums in AoS, everyone basically agrees that it's how the game ends up. Yeah, seems to suggest that's the case.

>>52315569
>implying Hammernators walk
You'll deliver them most of the way with a Land Raider anyway.

And I meant that in a way that things at least get a chance to soften them up a bit before being fucked to death. If they always go first for charging, they'll just smash everything to smithereens before there is even a chance for them to lose a model.

>>52315567

No because I plan for double turns and don't put myself in a position to be fucked by them. It isn't as if you didn't know it can happen.

>>52315601

Read the GH scenarios, they are objective based and starting on turn 3 if either player has secured the primary the game is immediately over and that player wins. So if you blob the center and your opponent can react and take objectives he beats you.

>>52315609
>There is no arguing in the game with a simple ruleset that has little to no depth
Who would have though?

>>52315617

Wounds

>>52315611
Don't worry, they're also hitting you with their guns on 2+ in the Shooting phase and then also flailing at you in the Combat Phase.

>>52315616
He literally posted images from the convention floor and the presentation.

>>52315503
>>52315534
>these guys trying to think up logical ways to interpret this
>not realizing it's literally just going to be a super oversimplified "if you charge you make all your attacks first, period" bullshit rule because these are the same guys who designed Age of Shitmar
God why is this happening

>>52315567
Actually I like this aspect of the rules since it adds a level of unpredictability that keeps the game exciting since you don't really know for sure what will happen next.
The game shouldn't be defined by "okay I'm going to move my guys 6 inches here and then next turn he's probably going to be in range of this, and then I can do X." It's predictable and boring.
Not knowing if you are going to get a double turn means that you are more inclined to go for broke and take risks to win.

>>52315594
pffft you're just saying that because they made a god specifically to kill her

>her

>40k turning into AOS

Im glad

40k is a clusterfuck and AOS is actually fun

>>52315616
Yeah, Games Workshop's presentation.

>>52315606
>2nd edition rules with 6/7th ed army sizes would be the absolute worst fucking thing imaginable.
I agree, but movement values and armor save modifiers are benign and not going to cause any real headaches with modern army sizes.

If they start taking notes from 2e's CC rules then I'll start getting worried. Unless they made challenges operate on that system, because that'd be badass.

>>52315642
>tanks get hurt by Lasgun and bolters on front armour
Impossible, they're not that stupid

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>want to collect Death Guard
>again
>new models
>timed with the death of the ruleset I have always loved

Truly, he feeds off my despair. I will follow this path regardless just to feel his warm embrace again.

I'm yours, you cruel, beautiful motherfucker.

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>>52315651

>post yfw Eldar get a special "always always strike first rule"

It honestly isn't worth responding to 'the sky is falling' folks. 40k is getting a new rule set that it desperately needs, some folks cannot deal with change so they'll react by spouting horseshit. I for one am super excited about 40k being redone into a better ruleset.

>>52315677
>77
you CUNT

My favorite part about all of this is that with Warhammer Fantasy, KoW basically was created to fill the gap that had been left when GeeDubs shit the bed in the large fantasy battle department. And the tournament scene and most Fantasy players just shrugged and started playing KoW. Given that Mantic's not-40k just got released and is starting to drum up support, I can't help but laugh at 40k doing the exact same thing and giving Mantic more fuel to grow.

>>52315651
The General's Handbook is a gigantic improvement over the core Sigmar rules. They already learned that their original approach was way too simplified and basic and won't just copy-paste the original iteration of its rules again. At worst, it'll be a copy-paste of the GHB with words replaced with 40k versions.

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>>52315450
Have the Aeldari and Aimperiumi been confirmed 8th Ed battle-brothers yet?

>>52315636

You're really ignorant of the game if you think that things cannot become quite complex.
There's a huge level of depth and it isn't the 3+ to win everyone assumes. There are countless abilities that improve or reduce those preset rolls as well as terrain and scenario rules.

>>52315677
Oh no it gets even better

Wait til they announce static To Wound rolls.

Not only can lasguns kill tanks, but they'll Wound on a flat 4+ every time. No more toughness values!

I'm memeing, but if it turns out to be true, that's it. I'm done with 40k. Gonna write my own ruleset.

>>52315655
Does it really feel exciting for you to be on the receiving end of the "two turns in a row"? It isn't for me, it felt like bullshit that needlessly clogs up and removes what little balance AoS might have for some Lol so random XDXD moments.

>>52315678
>motherfucker
Actually, I think that is more Slaanesh's deal.

>>52315646
>>52315670
cool!

i just wanted to know if it was some random 40k memer.

but this does sound good to me. movement values would be great.

>>52315686
/tg/ on 3/22/2018

>40kg thread
>7th ed 40k thread(s) still without proper thread titles/headers

>>52315686
Ditto. I'm looking forward to using 40k models to play some other game.

>>52315698
Yeah, maybe Warpath.

>>52315698
I want whatever you are smoking because you are fucking high as shit if you think Mantic can come anywhere close to rivaling GW.
Plus their models look like ass.

>>52315479
"Can't get worse" is how I felt when we first heard about fantasy getting new rules. If only we could have predicted how bad things can get.

>>52315698
>he thinks KOW is relevant any more
>he thinks mantic isnt a garbage factory
lol

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>>52315714
>static To Wound rolls

Ive got a bad feeling about this scoob

>>52314518
>Imperium
>wiining against Tau in an Imperial Armour book
Face it Taus gonna steal all the beep boops, get phosex and grav on top of winning a stunning tactical victory

>>52315622

>landraider
So, you're complaining that a near 200 point squad annihilates something of lesser points once a game when it charges from its 250pt transport? Come on now. Besides, Termies are shit right now. If this buff makes them better, then sweet. I'd love to have viable LC termies for my night lords.

>>52315714
>Not only can lasguns kill tanks, but they'll Wound on a flat 4+ every time. No more toughness values!
It's fine though, because tanks will have 30 Wounds! Just buy all those new D12 Wound trackers!

>>52315721
It's exciting in that I have to be prepared for it. War is unpredictable and i don't like playing the same game twice. If you care so much about balance and proving who is the better general, you know chess exists.

You have to plan for getting double turned and that adds yet another level of complexity.

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>decide to binge watch animu all night long
>this shit happens
>urge to shitpost on /tg/ overwhelms me

God fucking dammit, every time.

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>"We're not going to AoS 40k, dont worry, just buy more models, nothing will change :^)"

I cant fucking believe ANYONE believed this load of horse shit

>>52315629

>No because I plan for double turns and don't put myself in a position to be fucked by them. It isn't as if you didn't know it can happen.

Wow, you just leapt right in there didn't you?

This is how you tell the difference between someone who likes Age of Sigmar because it's a casual game from the most prominent fantasy game manufacturer, and someone who's drank the kool aid and will defend any stupidity no matter how grand in scale.

It's the perfect litmus test. If you can't see how double turns are a systematic failure of game design, you have no goddamn clue what you're talking about and forfeit your right to have your opinion listened to.

>>52315629
Plan all you want, your opponent has a plan too, double turns are still a stupid mechanic.

>>52315622
>You'll deliver them most of the way with a Land Raider anyway.
for a 450 point unit, terminators in a land raider aren't actually that great

>>52315792
Not him but calm down. There's a lot of shit wrong with AoS but the occasional double activation for a single unit is not one of them, it's an alt activation system.

So will Mortarion be the next primarch returning? Who do you guys think is next?

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I hope it's ok
I hope I still have fun
God damnit I don't want to quit 40k

>>52315770
I'm not complaining. I'm just saying that, even if incredibly expensive, a unit with S 8 AP 2 and Concussive going at I 10 after charging with 15 fucking attacks is not fine.

>>52315792
Tell me, what your problem with that mechanic? Why does it bother you so much?

>>52315818
Don't you mean 3+ to hit and 3+ to wound?

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Been playing since 4th ed

I'll miss 40k

>people actually defending 7th edition

I guess you also enjoy watching paint dry.

>>52315809
>but the occasional double activation for a single unit
A single unit?
No you can get a whole turn in Anon, with your whole army. You can get two turns in a row, and just wipe the floor.

>>52315813
>big death guard release
I dunno maybe it's the lion next

>>52315706

NO! WE MUST ASSUME THAT EVERYTHING IS SHIT! SHIIIIIIT!

>>52315825
I've been playing since 2nd ed.

I'm about ready to bust out all the old 2e rulebooks and start teaching it to my friends when we inevitably drop this incoming flaming garbage.

>>52315813
It's probably going to follow a pattern of traitor - loyalist. We're not getting the Death Guard without Morty, he was even specifically mentioned in Gather Storm. No idea who the loyalist after him may be though.

>>52315730
Apparently remembering to type "Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/" is actually impossible to do.

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If rolling for initiative every turn is carried over im fucking done. That by itself put me off of Sigmar, its so fucking retarded

>>52315809
>Not him but calm down. There's a lot of shit wrong with AoS but the occasional double activation for a single unit is not one of them, it's an alt activation system.
This is factually incorrect. Combat is alternating activiations, but the turns give you your entire army's Movement and Shooting and Charging and the like twice in a row.

>>52315714
Whats the difference?

If you want to make a tanky model you can give it more wounds, a better save, or abilities that reduce enemy chance to hit/wound

You are literally autistic or a grognard if you have a problem with this

>>52315855
I'd be cool with it if they tied it to strategy ratings

>>52315685
Oh YEAH well MY Primordiarch™ gets a Super Duper Always ALWAYS Always Strikes First No Matter What rule

brb liquidating all of my stuff

>>52315698

So I play a ton of KoW - I recently helped host and run the US Masters for KoW even. It is a fantastic game that I am very passionate but I can tell you this - our largest event (Lone Wolf) doesn't draw the kind of crowd AoS does. It is a different game for different folks.

>>52315837
Wait, seriously? Okay that's horseshit then. I was under the impression that you took turns moving, shooting and charging with a single unit at a time in AoS, unlike 40k where you get whole army turns.

In that case ignore my post, I'm retarded and gave them too much credit.

>>52315809

No, they replaced in-combat initiative with alt-activation.

The turn roll-off is exactly the same structure as 40k otherwise. You can end up getting to move, shoot and charge twice. This is especially noticably with shooting heavy armies, which can freely and merilly decimate their opponents with minimal retaliation when it comes up.

>>52315848
Khan would be nice, but I doubt it would happen.

>>52315809
Its not just combat, its spells and abilities getting applied to units, movement and shooting, more charges, then combat initiative. Whoever gets that double turn gets too inflict tons of damage and score before you get to go again.

>>52315877
>Redstone Rumble
>22 KoW players over 2 days
>5 AoS players
Nice to know that your dad works for Nintendo, tho.

>>52315847
What if the Armageddon stats are anything to go by and it'll actually be a mix between 2nd ed and Sigmar?

>>52315875

eBay link please?

>>52315855
what does that even mean

ive stayed very far away from age of sigmar so i know nothing of it

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>>52315859

I'm getting goosebumps imagining my Wyvern squadron getting to fire twice before my opponent does anything

>>52315848
The Lion since cypher got a new model? The real question is would anyone care if the next primarch was corax or khan

>>52315866
>or abilities that reduce enemy chance to hit/wound
So, like... a Toughness value?

>>52315813
After Morty the Great Khan will come back so he can kick his ass again.

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>>52315555

>>52315818

And then they wipe out one unit that likely costs far less than 450 points, and get kited around forever.

>>52315875
Whatcha got brah?

>>52315897
Then I'll be losing nothing by dropping the Sigmar horseshit and playing pure, superior 2nd ed.

>>52315895

SCGT had like 200 players this year. Masters had 64 - Lone Wolf had 100. Hell Clash of Kings will draw about 24 players this year at ACon where AoS is sitting at around 100.

>>52315848
I'd like to see dorn, if only because he'd be missing an arm and probably have a bionic fist

>>52315097
I like it, not op in any direction and I think would be both fun to play with an against. Only worry is that your vehicles may get focused down pretty fast since you've only given enemy anti-tank 2 targets.

>>52315900
You roll of at the start of every game turn to see who goes first. Potentially allowing for you to shit on the enemy with two full turns in a row.

The interactive FAQ thing seems nice.

However, at the same time it could be very bad. A popular army could have all their players vote for whatever choices favor them the most.

It also seems kind of lazy, like GW can't be arsed to do the FAQ's themselves.

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>>52315603
Well Tzeentch just got the Thousand Son termis.

>>52315889
Don't worry, the melee armies can counter this shooting by charging into the ranged units. Only to promptly get hit by a full round of shooting because of musicians. But after getting shot three times, the survivors can attack! :D

But then you might be such a weak unit, they'll just let you flail at them while they shoot your other squad on the other side of the table. Haha, maybe they'll shoot the survivor with a ranged unit on the other side of the board in order to get the bonus for not having any enemies within 3''.

>>52315939
>non-cult CSM will forever get nothing

>>52315926
>"Looks like you're in for a fisting"
>"An IMPERIAL fisting"

>>52315686
I don't think anyone disagrees that 40k needs a massive rules rewrite from the ground up. We just don't want something as shitty as AoS.

>>52315949
codex: terminators with generic chaos/imperial indomitus releases when

>>52315949
Atheists get what they deserve

>>52315904
So we agree that it's functionally the same thing?

quit your autistic screeching

>>52315970
>accuses others of autistic screeching while he's the one being an overly defensive smegmar cockgobbler
Wew

>>52315929
that would be incredibly broken

basically game over if it happens

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AOS is a fun game and 40k will only benefit from copying its game mechanics

>mfw all this butthurt

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lol what if you JUST spent money on a 7e 40k rulebook and codex for your army
then it all gets sigmarred
I just started playing in January

You would think they would keep 40k different from AoS to cover a wider audience range

>>52315962

That would be neat. As long as I can assault with a ton of dual LC terminators, I'll be happy.

>>52315902
Can actually be more than that, really. Freeguild Crossbowmen as an example. 20'' of range, each getting 2 attacks if no nearby enemies and they didn't move. If an enemy enters the danger zone on a move and then runs, you've still potentially got two turns of approaching to shoot them. Then winning the initiative. And if they don't have a special move to both Run and Charge, they'll probably take two turns at least getting those 20''. And then when they do finally charge you, your Piper lets you shoot them before they get to attack.

I see people say they don't like the psy phase and want to remove it, bit how would they work without it? Just throw out spells whenever willy nilly?

>>52316011
>You would think they would keep 40k different from AoS to cover a wider audience range

That's what 30k is for. Supposedly, they're more or less keeping the current rules.

>>52316010
Sorry, but we've known this has been coming for over a year

>>52315780
Shit, why not roll for random points, random armies and random units then?

Fuck, roll for random rulesets too. More random is more bettterer.

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>>52316008
Agreed. It is by far the superior game to the clusterfuck that is 40k atm. It's actually F-U-N! Plus now my Blood Angels will be the melee machines they should be. Orks too. NO MORE ELDAR INITIATIVE BULLSHIT, YOU GET A FIST TO THE FACE!

>>52315960

>from the ground up

Nah, 3-5 were pretty good and we're still running off that chassis. All we need to do is burn back the overgrowth and redo the changes in 6th and 7th to make for a more cohesive, less cluttered whole.