Warhammer 40,000 General

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>>52316625

First for Nurgle

So who else is getting ready to quit 40k if one more bad AoS mechanic leak drops? Because seriously, this is scary.

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Post yfw tau can now shoot in close combat

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>taking stormtroopers against plague marines
thank god for plasma guns

>tfw you have been procrastinating about finishing your death guard army for months and now you're look like a bandwagoning newfag

>>52316691
I will fucking fly to Nottingham and cause a problem.

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>>52316692

>calling them storm troopers and not Militarum Tempestus Scions™

Where's the live feed / blog?

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Blood Angels to be amazing again - you heard it here first!

>>52316692
Adam?

I fucking welcome the new ruleset, its probably going to be a mix of 2nd ed and Sigmar like the new Armageddon game.

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Two Blitza-Bommers, Two Dakkajets, or One Blitza-Bommer and One Dakkajet for my 1500 casual list? It's my first time building an army and anons said that Ork flyers are okay for casual games and i really like all of them but I don't know which one to take. I'm leaning towards the bommers tho, they have pretty strong bombs.

>>52316690
I think we all should wait a bit, I want to think it's going to be okay.

>>52316710
As a grog, I speak in the tongue of old earth.

I'm surprisingly okay with astra militarum and tempestus scions being spoken in-universe. Fits right alongside names like adeptus astartes.

>>52316740
swing and a miss

I hope Necrons don't get squatted in Age of Guilliiman.

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>>52316625
>>52316681
WHO'S READY FOR SOME LOVE FROM DADDY?

>>52316755
I want to believe too, anon...

apparently people are freaking out, what did I miss?

>>52316791
40K is being concluded and replaced with a new simpler game.

>>52316791
8th edition leaks confirming a lot of Age of Sigmar mechanics making it in, so people are unsurprisingly and legitimately worried

>>52316690
I'm worried. I just bought so much stuff for Guard formations. I'm worried I won't be able to do a lot of stuff, but I think 8th is maybe a year away.

>>52316791
Charging units attack first

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So what Morty will do? He doesn't have particular rivalry except for Draigo, i suspect he will try to fuck up Guilliman and his eldar friends.

>>52316636

Perhaps a little more tweaking would be fine, but I've never had a bad Maelstrom game. It makes ObSec better imho, too. If I have a troop, I can quickly roll up and steal it from your camper for the turn.

One of my favorites is the one mission where you can claim your opponent's objectives so long as they're capture objectives because the game can swing so hard if you're not careful.

I do with there were more than 10 personal army objectives, though. That would be cooler in my opinion.

>>52316806
June. It's in June.

>>52316803
Link?

>>52316811
That makes sense

>>52316625
>still couldn't get the thread title right

>>52316791
First tentative hints of 8e. Old mechanics coming back, alongside some from fantasy and some from AoS.

change is scaary

>>52316763
Phew. I'm glad you arent.

>>52316803
do we have a source?

>>52316803
Expect plenty of Age of Shillmar fucks parading around claiming that this is going to be a great change and 40k will be much better with 4 pages of poorly-written rules, players getting double-turns, and bizarre fixed hit/wound rolls.

>>52316826
>>52316836
Panel screenshots and coverage from adepticon, last thread

>>52316811
then what good will initiative do?

>>52316812
spread the gospel of nurgle

>there are people who unironically won't welcome Age of Guilliman with a simplified ruleset based around tactical decisions instead of 120 pages of overly-complicated crunch

>>52316835
t-thanks I guess

>>52316803
End Times rules came before AoS rules though. Those were what heralded the End Times. 40k is too popular a game and too reliable a cash cow for them to actually squat the setting, they're just streamlining/dumbing down the rules for the kids and desu that's not even necessarily a bad thing

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>>52316791
They're mostly freaking out about the morale rule and thinking they're gonna add everything else from AoS, but I personally think it's going to work like the new Armageddon game, so like a mix between mostly 2e, mostly 7e, and a dash of AoS.

But I just want to know which Ork flyer to take.

I like the Thematic armies will be rewarded bit. Hopefully my Blood Axes Blitzkrieg themed list will be thematic and fluffy enough.

>>52316690
The main thing that's giving me concern is the 'charger strikes first' thing, but that's mainly because I play Emperor's Children and that basically stops my main bonus from ever mattering. If they change it so it's +1 movement as well, I probably won't mind as much, though powerfists striking first is still going to be really dumb and take getting used to.

At that point, I don't think there's ever a reason to take a Power Lance over a Power Axe. The Axe is strictly better on the charge.

>>52316849
>then what good will initiative do?
Initiative wont exist anymore

it'll be back and forth combat like how sigmar is

>>52316839
The good news is, if those things were going to happen, we probably would have heard about it first, assuming it's stuff they're actually revealing in the presentation. I feel like no news on that front is good news.

>>52316864
How does morale work in AoS?

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Well, let's review what is confirmed:

>Thematic armies will be rewarded
Umm, good I guess no idea what is specifically meant by that, maybe single codex?

>movement value is coming back
Good, fleet was stupid in this current iteration.

>armor save modifiers
So weapons will now reduce armor saves instead of doing flat ap on infantry. Maybe going to a flat to wound roll on infantry. No idea what they'll do to vehicles and I can't predict it.

>charging units get to strike first
So orks won't be crap tier and termites will be nastier.

>Morale will work like aos
So you need to babysit hordes with high ld characters or units with ld hax like commissars and your multi-wound elites can't risk a squad broken.

Otherwise...there's nothing else we got.

>>52316892
Roll d6+casualties taken, compare to leadership, remove models equal to the difference.

So basically everyone has a shittier mob rule now.

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>>52316864
>movement statistic returning

post yfw orks are M4

>>52316892
I don't know exactly, but apparently itms sort of like how it is now, but instead of wounds it's dead models, so it's pretty bad now. Unless the person paraphrased it and they're gonna change it.

>>52316892
You count how many models a unit lost that turn and add a d6. If the total is above your bravery,you lose a number of models equal to the difference.

>>52316903
but now we can't post
>I2

this edition's dead in the water

>>52316880
GEE I SURE CANT WAIT FOR GUARDSMEN TO HIT BEFORE MY 5+ SV GENESTEALERS AND REMOVE THEIR MAIN ICONIC ADVANTAGE OF BEING LIGHTNING FAST

friendly reminder that even if 8e rules aren't to your taste, your 7e books are not going to spontaneously combust and it will not be illegal to play older editions

>people complain that 40k is stale and slow

>aos is midfield moshpit with combat lasting 4+ turns

>>52316864
Armour save modifiers

First good thing I have heard about 40k in a long time

>>52316860
>What is, Gathering Storm?
They are destroying the lore anon.

>>52316913
Anon, Orks are supposed to be M4.

So does anyone know when the new death guard will come out and when 8th will hit?

>>52316930
genestealers will undoubtedly have a high movement value, though

>>52316919
Will we not have fearless? I'm worried. I finally got my gigantic Guard blobs ready.

>>52316930
dark eldar player here
hold me nidfriend

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>>52316880
Sweet, now Thunder Hammer, Power Fist and D-Thirster are even better.

>>52316936
Serious question do people play 6th or 5th or 4th editions of 40K at game shops?

Do people play Warhammer Fantasy Battles at game shops?

>>52316903
Literally every one of these is better than the current rule set. Practically given up 40k for AoS but will come back if some rules go over.

>>52316936
Friendly reminder that people at large will play the latest thing and that finding 7e games will become increasingly harder, forcing you to eventually adapt or sell off thousands of dollars worth of plastic toys

>>52316951
don't blob 'em up, m8
alternatively invest in some commissars

>>52316960
>Do people play Warhammer Fantasy Battles at game shops?

Yes, I've seen plenty of WHFB games at my local geedubs.

>>52316941
But if you go 2 turns in a row that mosh pit clears up faster!

So much tactical depth.

>>52316864
>tfw Fear will impose a moral penalty
>90% of armies will ignore it anyway
>NL still terrible

>>52316625
hitting first on the charge reminds me of the good old times of 6ed warhammer fantasy

mounted heroes with great weapons everywhere!

>>52316812
Probably be the "weird, quirky, roundabout and humorous" cartoon villain while Magnus will solidify his position as the "over-planning, wannabe smartass, genius leader" of the bunch and Fulgrim will take over his place as the "mocking and innuendo-spewing, fabulous, token gay" guy of their little group.

Basically, they'll be like the Powerpuff Girl villains, with Magnus being Mojo Jojo, Fulgrim being that gay half-crab transvestite dude and Mortarion being...fuck if I remember, has been too long since I watched it, but I'm sure there was one to fit him.

Guilliman will obviously Blossom, Russ will be Buttercup and Khan will be Bubbles.

>>52316960
Dunno about 40k editions but people at my shop play fantasy all the time

>>52316965
You know you don't have to sell your models right? Even if you can't just go in for a pick up game, it shouldn't be too hard to find other like minded people and keep playing 7e or whatever else.

>>52316952
I got you buddy
I hope you're as PUMPED as I am about all weapons in the game wounding on a flat 3+ or 4+ with no S or T values, removing the entire benefit and flavor of poison

>>52316949
So you charge one unit, wipe it out, then get over-run by I2/3 mooks in return. Whoopee.

>>52316970
Well obviously I use priests and or commissars

>>52316930
>eldar striking scorpions
>fluffwise so fast the naked human eye can't even see them
>get charged by conscript guardsmen
>guardsmen hit first

Nice game

>>52316951
Every unit is kind of fearless as units never "fall back". Just the harder they get beat, the more models they will lose. If it stays the same as AOS the army general can make one or more units immune to battle shock so a unit won't lose any models in the battle shock phase.

I don't think the sky is falling.

Most people agree 40k is too bloated for his own good and could use some fat trimming. The leaked changes seem good and look like they will buff assault which is great in shooting edition (and I play fucking tau)

That being said a direct copy paste of sigmar rules would be a horrible mistake that I don't think gw will make.

Where is everyone getting this information from? I know the gw presentation but how are you viewing it?

>>52316997
just like it is now?

charge unit
wipe it out
get hit with a flame template and fuckin' die

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EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS POST

Okay, now that I have your attention, please calm down. We haven't actually seen any changes and the twitter post is very vague, and since it's not even out yet, very subject to change indeed! Our best bet is to take a look at the new rukes for the Armageddon game, since the post confirms the return of the Movement stat, we should assume then that the Armageddon game is running off of 8th edition's rules! If that is so, then there is NO static To Wound or To Hit, as seen in the known pics from Armageddon's ruleset.

Please, calm down.

>>52317001

Aren't scorpions supposed to be slower because of the heavy armor?

>>52317001
>Ork with a Powerklaw
>Big, slow, lumbering brute with a giant heavy lump of metal welded to his arm
>Gets to swing before literal demigods that bewitch people and move faster than thought

Playing Slaanesh is suffering.

>>52317018
40k radio is releasing notes of adepticon GW presentation on Twitter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/40kRadio/status/844723023890579456

Didn't the guy who predicted nurgle stuff also predict DoubleUltramarines Mk2.0?

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>>52317001
Don't worry, we got you covered!
If you can physically run around the table really fast when you get charged, then YOU can strike first!

Leaked changes so far are 2 for 4.

Movement values and especially armour modifiers are excellent.

AoS Morale is very dubious, I don't like the idea of it, feels too overly abstracted and gamey.

Charging units hitting first is ridiculous. Give me back 2e assault phase.

I hope 40k gets 100% AoS-ified. It's literally unplayable now. Having way more fun with AoS.

>>52317030
>Our best bet is to take a look at the new rukes for the Armageddon game

Why? GW is presenting it as another board game. Saying that the rules therein are going to reflect 8th edition is like saying fucking Lost Patrol or Gangs of Commoragh will.

>>52317034
>implying armor slows you down from beyond the scope of the human eye to taken by surprise by joe the undernourished feudal world peasant

Or just say banshees instead

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People flipping shit over some leaks of simplified rules. Come on...

The game survived the jump from 2nd to 3rd. It will survive this. 40K is currently extremely bloated and unappealing to deal with. I'm all for a complex ruleset. I'm not all for needing 3-10 books per faction.

>>52316854
While I'm not one given to panicking, and largely ignore the rumor mill until I see it first-hand, there's a pretty sizable reason to be concerned after Age of Sigmar dropping that they may swing way, way too far in the opposite direction when it comes to rules simplification.

The game needs some streamlining, but nobody knows if they learned from their last mistakes and just make the game oppositely unplayable.

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Female space marines are thing in AoS.

>>52317035
>play fast army
>get outmaneuvered
>cry
who's I2 now, huh?

>>52317030
That is reassuring to think of.

>>52316990
>weird, quirky, roundabout and humorous
Mortarion is anything but humorous. Dude literally sits around in his own filth being morose all day of every day. It only got worse after the Draigoning.

>>52317065

Looks like trash, desu

>>52317053
How did it work in 2ed? I started with 3ed.

>>52317065
>stormcasts eternals
>space marines
?????

>>52316981
>>90% of armies will ignore it anyway
Space Marines are not 90% of all armies, especially when a sizable chunk of those not playing Space Marines are Guard, CSM, Tau, and Eldar, all of whom often lack Fearless save Eldar.

>>52317030
THIS.

The Armageddon rules seem more like 2e than anything, and I really like that.

Nice snek.

>>52317035
THE TIME OF THE WAAAGH HAS COME!

>>52317060
I dunno, what anon says makes sense.

>>52316990

Only Fuzzy Lumpkins comes to mind.

>>52317063
>The game survived the jump from 2nd to 3rd.
Do you know how much smaller the community and hobby was back then?

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>>52317034
i have all your answers here

>>52316860
>down the rules
And setting
Also it's bad thing

>>52317065

I just noticed the abs that weren't quite as visible

Fucking really?

>>52317095
Ultracast Ultraternals with Ultrahammers

>>52316990
Mortarion is the gangreene gang

>>52317065
>Exposed abbs, boobplate

Shit

>>52317095
Do you... not see the comparison?

>>52317065
Saw it in the sigmar thread. Not really sure what to think of it. Proportions are all over the place, even if the abs are on point.

I can already tell people will make shitty inquisitor conversions with it.

>>52317065
I want to jizz on that bald robot's abs.

>>52317044
Thank you anon

>>52317065
...do you actually know what a Space Marine is, anon?

>>52317065
AFAIK there's no actual lore reason to not have those, though.

>>52317100
and what a huge improvement 3ed actually is over 2ed?

>>52317030
Shadow War Armadeggon is EXPLICITYLY using the rules from Necromunda - so, 2nd edition.

Even that doesn't have the charging unit going first in combat - all combat is simultaneous. Sort of.

>>52317065
CUTE

>>52317115
They're both heavily armored humanoids?

Point being is stormcast eternals aren't fucking space marines, they don't have gene seed, and there's no reason they can't be chicks. Take about 20% off there bud.

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>>52316995
I hadn't even considered that...

>>52317065
I honestly liked it. They implied all along there were stormcast grills.

>>52317100
So it would have been easier to kill it back then compared to more people playing it now.

>>52317097
Oh, I'm sorry, only 60% of the game will ignore a defining characteristic of an entire faction. However, guard in melee don't count because they're going to lose horribly AND have commissars to negate that shit, Tau are going to lose horribly in melee and have bonding knives, which leaves CSM and Eldar, the only two factions fear is worth using on right now anyway.

>>52317092
Totally different. You didn't have one guy swing and then another. You picked a model, then the opponent picked a guy in base contact, then you both rolled a number of dice equal to your attacks, and added your Weapon Skill to the highest roll. Each 6 after the first was a crit and gave you another +1 to the total, each 1 was a critfail and gave you -1. If the totals were tied, the model with higher Initiative got 1 hit in. If you won, you get a number of hits in equal to the amount you beat them by. You could resolve these hits with any weapon you had, so stuff like plasma pistols could be fired point blank using their strength and AP. It felt super cinematic and super fun especially when you added in stuff like parrying with swords to make them re-roll certain attacks and stuff, there was an actual feel of the models struggling and fighting in real time instead of one guy swinging, other guy waiting his turn then swinging, etc., and then when one got the upper hand and ripped the other one to shreds it was glorious.

>>52317138
>Being this autistic

>>52316766
Fuck off, folder of mortarion pics was debunked ages ago, you're only going to fool newfags.

>>52317179
Explain how that's autistic please.

>>52317177
Sounds retardedly complex. Glad 2nd only lasted a month after I started.

>>52317051
Got the one about talking to your models or shouting or some autistic shit?

>>52317177
Sounds amazing and ridiculously complicated

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Hey /tg/ what are you up to today? GGA here,just finished assembling my very first Shadowsword and now it's gonna be a rush to prime and paint it for Adepticon Saturday.What are you anons up to?

>>52317065
Did Chun Li become a SE? Those thighs are huge

>>52317177
that sounds like a decent system for a skirmish game but man that would be annoying with how big the armies are these days.

>>52316995
>be guardsman
>swing at gretchin barely aware he's in a battle
>hit on 4+ wound on 4+

>be guardsman
>swing at Be'lakor, a horrifying, towering monstrosity uplifted by the dark gods countless thousands of years ago
>hit on 4+ wound on 4+

AoS is a work of art

>>52316945
>Destroying the lore
Yes because now the Imperium is gearing up for war unlike before right?

>>52316690
>Believing 40k AoSification
GW are stupid not sucidal, unlike fantasy 40k players start new armies as soon as they finish the one they already have, when in fantasy there was never enough miniatures to have one army.

>>52317115
Lore-wise, Space Marines and Stormcast Eternals are very, very different things that are the way they are for very different reasons.

There is no reason Stormcasts cannot be female, because spooky psuedo-Jesus magic chooses valiant heros and gives them immortal bodies to fight in forever in a magic war. Sex is irrelevant because it's 100% magic in-universe.

Space Marines are a product of barely-understood genetic augmentation that crucially depend on the male hormonal system to properly be accepted by the host body. Not only can females not be space marines (without at first being turned into males, which is a completely unnecessary step in a galaxy with literally infinite manpower) but 99.9% of men cannot be Space Marines either, because their bodies cannot handle the procedures necessary to turn them into one. Each Space Marine is therefore an excruciatingly expensive investment, and Chapters only "invest" in new recruits they are the most sure will succeed and receive the genetic modifications the best (and even then half the time they're wrong and the aspirant still fails)

I don't give a fuck that it's bait, this shit is therapeutic

>>52317185
Sure is a huge coincidence that the image from the Death Guard preview shows a weapon almost identical in position and shape to the scythe held by the Death Guard's Primarch in that debunked folder, isn't it? Like, even down to the things branching off from the scythe handle.

>>52317030

Cute snake.

does AoS have armor save modifiers?

>>52317034

Aspect armour is light as fuck. Even the heavy variant is form fitting so whilst not as fast as Banshees the idea of a managing guardsman to bonk a Scorpion first with a rifle butt cuz he took a run at em is fucking stupid.

>>52317231
Yes, to hit and wound modifiers as well, depending on the unit.

>>52317198
>>52317204
It's not that complex when you see it in action.

>>52317211
This was the problem with it - once the game moved over to HUEG BLOBS of dudes it was too slow, but it's so much better for small games than the crap we have right now with weapon skill chart only ranging from hit on 3s to hit on 5s.

>>52317235
eldar get ambushed and outflanked in the fluff, man

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>>52317065
ABBSolutely disgusting.

>>52316734
>implying you won't be folded in with vanilla sm

I'm still waiting for every single list to have Magnus and it hasn't happened.

NOTHING you guys say comes true, why do you think I'd believe you now?

>>52317227
Holy shit man, no one is arguing there should be no sigmarine chicks. Tone down your autism please.
Space marines are similar to sigmarines because of their place as the center of the lore, both are the face of the game.
No one is saying sigmarines are exactly the same as space marine in the lore, please keep autism attacks to yourself

>>52317223
>GW are stupid not sucidal
Every single time I have tried to say this, GW has gone and proven me wrong by continuing down the same path as Fantasy. First it was End Times, then squatting, then AoS. Now we have Gathering Storm, incoming massive rules simplifications, nu-Marines... it's happening.

>>52317235

You have to understand that you're assaulting a unit of Scorpions/Banshees with guardsman. There's a very real chance, no it's very likely that the eldar will win regardless. Plus, the eldar are going to have a higher movement than the guardsmen.

>>52317207
Was all ready to play today but no one came. I just waited around. Everyone is getting ready for adepitcon. You going? I got a ticket and it's only an hour away but I'm not sure how much time I have to go.

Nice tank.

>>52317185
>older of mortarion pics was debunked ages ago
It was literally never debunked you retard, it only got stronger and stronger in terms of legitimacy, and now it's as good as 110% confirmed.

>>52317186
Because no one is saying there shouldn't be female sigmarines, just that sigmarines and ultra marines are similar.

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My friend plays Necrons and has been a real cunt about it the last few games by going full WAAC. Based on the stuff I currently own, this feels like a good list to really shit on his day next game. He always runs a Decurion and always uses the Annihilation Nexus, so I need a decent bit of anti-armor. Usually uses flyers too. After that it's just Warriors and Canoptek Harvest out the ass plus his Decurion taxes.

Normally I woulda run Vets instead of platoons, but I want to bubblewrap my tanks a bit from Wraith/Scarab spam and also take advantage of standalone HWTs to drown him in autocannon shots.

What say?

I really wish ogryn and bullgryn were worth their points.

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>>52317288
Kirby let us down.
Rowntree will save us.
Have faith (Word Bearer)

>>52317310

Feel kinda bad for the dude who first posted them here they didn't see a lot of play and people mostly shit on him now it is all true we were wrong all along

>>52316864
>Thematic Armies
I betcha the Tau will be rewarded for their *riptide*-themed army.
>Armor Save modifiers
My vanquisher cannon better not start ricocheting off space marine armor! Lasguns are one thing, but that would just rape the conservation of momentum outright!
>Charging Units Strike First
No problem with this. Kinda like it really, but I hope you can get spears or bayonet bonuses as a counter. It'd be nice if the acknowledged mounting the blade on the end of a longarm was done for a reason. Even if they don't, I always lose CC anyways so I don't really care.

>>52317272
>hasn't been to any tournaments since Magnus was released

>>52317293
Sure, but that doesn't change that it's fucking stupid that a guardsman conscript gets to bonk a striking scorpion in the face with his rifle just because he ran in

>>52317272
Well, every single Tzeentch list has Magnus, so that was partially true, at least.

And even these threads are split into several different parties, everyone has a different opinion on this shit.

>>52317313
No, you're implying that because AoS has female sigmarines, nuhammer will have them as well, which is dumb because as anons have already pointed out, there is no lore reason they can't exist in AoS, but there is one for 40k

>>52317329
>Rowntree will save us.
>still believing in this meme

>>52317332
You guys might have been wrong, I called it as being legit.

>>52317345
maybe those scorpions shouldn't have overextended themselves if they didn't want to get bonked by mon'keigh soldiers

>>52317293
Yeah, so why bother changing it at all? If you charge in head-first with a meltabomb against a dreadnought, he has every right to mulch you before you can carefully stick it on him.

>>52317199
Please Loosen up. Thanks.

>>52317353
>but there is one for 40k
You mean?

Grognards on life alert!
So we just going to consolidate 40kg and AoSg now? It's the same game right?

Any tips on painting 60+ marines relatively rapidly?

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>New Death guard confirmed

>>52317368
Maybe the system should account for things such as speed and reactions of the characters the models represent

Much like it has since ever

>>52317229
I might agree with you if the thumbnails hadn't already been fucking debunked.

Even if it is Morty, those thumbnails are not pics of the product we will be getting you fucking newfag.

>>52317310
>110% confirmed.
No, it really isn't. As much as a mortarion model looks extremely likely it's certainly not "110% confirmed".

Your standards for evidence are substandard.

>>52317353
>No, you're implying that because AoS has female sigmarines, nuhammer will have them as well
WHAT
Obviously not, where did I say that? If you're referring to the original post(which wasn't me) I am pretty sure they are using Space Marines as a meme name for sigmarines. I really hope this is bait cause I don't wanna believe people like you exist.

>>52317394
This.

If they remove Initiative from the game it's going to be bad.

>>52317387
Spray primary colour, wash, do secondary colour, drybrush, done.

>>52317345
See
>>52317368

The eldar should be able maneuver around charge distances with ease. Also, if 50 dudes charge you with bayonettes, you're going to get bonked in the face.

>>52317372

I wouldn't be surprised if certain weapons always went last regardless of charging, like hammers and grenades.

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>>52317357
Everything fell to shit under Kirby. AoS, Eldar, Tau, all of it.

Everything cool that we got recently was thanks to him. There's a reason GW stock is actually worth something again.

Stay ignorant, fool

>>52316951
12 years too late fag.
WE AOS NOW

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>>52317373
>requests topical pics of a goofy rule
>calm yourself pls

>>52317394
hopefully you just get +1 or +2 to your iniative when charging. not just a blank always strikes first.

hated that in 6ed wfb.

>>52317397
>might agree with you if the thumbnails hadn't already been fucking debunked.
Please post source of them being debunked.

You can't because it never happened.

>>52317394
Yeah, the movement stat. Glad we solved this mystery.

>>52317387
Airbrush, wash, dry brush, seal and done.

>>52316864
All off this are the reason fantasy died, I don't really see this happening, I mean, it isn't so bad as changes, the saves modifiers will probably be like those in AoS, with -1 and -2 but ap remaining, this could mean big choppas coming back.

>>52317284

>Space marines are similar to sigmarines because of their place as the center of the lore, both are the face of the game.
>No one is saying sigmarines are exactly the same as space marine in the lore, please keep autism attacks to yourself

Then why did you call it a Space Marine?

The objections to female space marines have nothing to do with the tabletop, and everything to do with the lore. Calling something a "female Space Marine," is going to get shit from people because it simply cannot exist in the lore Fuck Fabius Bile that nigga ain't shit and it's all going to blow up in his fucking face like it always does.

If you weren't trying to justify the existence of female space marines, why even post at all?

>>52317272
Magnus is EVERYWHERE at any competitive event. He's almost 50% confirmed in any Daemon Army. That's MASSIVE you faggot.

>>52317430
>Movement stat represents speed in close combat
>AoS fags are this autistic

>>52317400
It is if you have any observational ability and aren't retarded.

>>52317416
If a bunch of humans with a reaction speed in the hundreds of ms runs screaming at a group of eldar who move faster than the human eye can track, do you not think it's quite logical that the eldar are going to be able to cause some damage before the humans?

>>52317430
>movement stat is reflexes and reaction speed
How... how dumb are you?

>>52317397
Spouting "newfag" like a complete and utter fucking imbecile doesn't really help your argument, you idiot.

And do you really believe that a weapon that has literally the same fucking ANGLE, shape and additional decorations, revealed as part of a preview for a new model line that is focused completely around the dude that was in those those supposed early leaks is a fucking coincidence?

>>52317467
Possessed Plague marines?

Will these be the 2-wound marines of legend and rumour

>>52317207
Slooooowly converting troops so I'm perfectly WYSIWYG. Last game was a pain in the ass which guardsmen where designated special weapons, and I nearly forgot my vets were weilding shotguns and didn't charge!

Fuck that shit. I'm going full visual! Except maybe for meltaguns. I'm debating if I shouldn't use rocket launchers on one-man bases to represent meltas. Sooo on the fence about it!


Now as for your shadowsword: Pleeeeeaaaaassssse work extra-hard on it's paint scheme! Add extra bits and accessories, give it a proper camo scheme, even add some transfers! This baby is a centerpeice and it needs to be treated as such. Even if every other tank in your army is solid grey, I recommend just this once you give the Shadowsword a two-tone camo.

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>>52317253

And? No one said they're fucking invincible, just that they're far too fast for a guardsman to hit in melee.

>>52317394
Movement values play at least a part of that role.
If you get outmaneuvered by slower models, you goofed.

>>52317439
>Then why did you call it a Space Marine?
Holy shit since when did people start getting THIS sensitive. It's a joke anon, about how sigmarines are similar to space marines. The post is about just that there are female sigmarines in AoS now, which is fine, who cares. It's informal, with a joke just calling them Space marines. Anon, please fix your autism.

>>52316953
If this rules are like those of fantasy even if they charge they'll still strike last.

>>52317473

The eldar still have to move through a wall of moving meat and pointy sticks. It's not about reaction times at that point. It's about there being 50 dudes running forward with pointy sticks. If the eldar are being charged, then they fucked up somewhere.

>3's and 4's system replacing the current system
fuck AOS, its garbage

New death guard and "large scythe" spotted at adepticon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7CUmdskOtI

Does the strategy of this game come from list creation before hand? I have been watching games of 40k recently and it all looks like crashing in a straight line. Am I missing some kind of maneuvering phase?

>>52317199
>Braying Warcry: Red-hot rage festers in
the savage minds of Wargors, their only
desire to rend and destroy. You can add 1
to all hit rolls made for a Wargor if, before
rolling the dice, you let loose a primal
warcry. Your warcry must use no actual
words, but angry grunts and raging snorts
are encouraged.

>>52317506

>the glottkin 3 nail motif has resurfaced

40k glottkin confirmed?

>>52317501
Moving quickly isn't relevant to the argument of who hits first in a close combat

Usain Bolt armed with a spiked 2x4 charging at a fencing world champion is not going to have a good time

>>52317514

Thanks, Orks!

>>52317514
See >>52316766 and the last ~10 posts above you.

>>52317488
probably just part of the new "official" DG aesthetic, like all the bird shit and flamboyant armor banding on the new thousand sons

Traitor Legions is like 4 months old, no way any new new Nurgle units apart from Mortarion are being made

>>52317379
Geneseed relies on the male hormone system to "take" in an aspirant. Half of the treatment is basically PubertyX1000 (which is why young recruits work best, and recruits over thirty years are general impossible even during the Great Crusade because that's when you truly "stop" going through puberty).

While it is theoretically possible to turn a female into a male in 40K, it's a complicated and completely unnecessary step in a galaxy of literally infinite manpower, and the female cannot become a marine without first being turned into a male. As others have said, even the overwhelming majority of males cannot become Space Marines because their own bodily systems simply are not up to par and they fail the treatments (sometimes fatally).

>>52317512
Where are you getting 50 dudes from? Under these rules, if 2 conscripts charged 10 Eldar they would still be hitting first.

>>52317513
Seriously, everyone's thinking that 40k is switching to AoS rules like a retard.

40k is only taking a few things. WS, and S and all the other stats are still going to be here.

If I'm wrong I'll start an Ork army.

>>52317517
40k is about 95% list building, yes.

>>52317328
Consider sticking the autocannons in the infantry blobs, unless you intend for the autocannons to never shoot infantry with the rest of the platoon in which case your fine.

>>52317418
>Everything co
You mean Age of Guilliman?
>There's a reason GW stock is actually worth something again.
Brcause they finally refocused on kids?

>>52317538

If 2 dudes are charging 10 eldar, someone fucked up and/or the arrogant eldar are clearly luring those two dudes into a trap.

>>52317199
Marius Leitdorf is an
exceptional swordsman, even if he is totally
insane. If, during your hero phase, you
pretend to ride an imaginary horse, you
can re-roll failed hit rolls for the Averland
Runefang until your next hero phase. If
you actually talk to your imaginary horse
you can re-roll failed wound rolls as well.

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>>52317526
Well, it is end times for 40k. Nurgle feeds off our despair by giving us sickly sweet new models before turning the game on its ass.

>>52317515
Welp, if THIS doesn't absolutely and definitely confirm Mortarion I don't know what else could.

>>52317423
Uh, no. Different Anon. Sorry.

>>52317517
40k isnt that deep, no.

I really hope that the 8e brings updated models, I'm getting sick of Cadians

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>>52317520
Kek, thanks.

>>52317527
I said it plays a role. I did not say it is the only factor. Until we have a full ruleset, we can't really say anything more. I suspect there will be something to modify the "always strikes first". Slow weapons like thunder hammers will likely still go last. Exceptionally agile or swift-moving attackers may get something to offset as well.

>>52317512
Man, if only there was some special rule to represent getting hit due to the high speed of the charge before you can react, like some sort of wrathful hammer.

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>>52317528
OI LADZ SUMWUN GET ON DA TELLYPHONE QUIK 'N TELL DA FLASHY 'UMIE BOSS I 'ERD DAT 'ORRUS GIT IZ GUNNA BETRAY 'IM

>>52317547
Nah. With some major exceptions (because some lists simply are that broken):

33% Listbuilding
33% Strategy and knowing how to play your army
33% Luck.

If your games are always won strictly by the list you ran, you're either a shitty player or you're playing shitty players.

>>52317558
>and/or the arrogant eldar are clearly luring those two dudes into a trap.
And then letting them swing first before killing them, potentially risking their lives in this "trap"? Face it there is not a single good argument for why charging should make you hit first, ever, outside of long pole-arm weapons which already have a special rule that increases your initiative on the charge.

>>52317570
IG are SoB tier now, friend. Numarines are the new marines and marines are the new guard.

What if charging units recieve an initiative boost?

So if you charge you get +1
If you overwatch you get -1
If you stand your ground vs the charge you remain the same

Add a special rule that improves these bonuses (banshees get +1 for holding ground, orks get +2 because ork, etc)

I think that would be a perfectly reasonable change.

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>>52317570

I hope you don't start asking for plastic steel legion

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>>52317065
>abs

my fucking dick

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>>52317557
>You mean Age of Guilliman?
if you mean the Fall of Cadia/new models:
You know people actually liked those, right?
if you mean 8th edition:
You know it isn't out yet and nothing about the rules is written in stone, right?

Be less of a little bitch, else sell your models now.

you know there are

>>52317602
Plastic Krieg should be the new posterboys for the guard

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>>52317497
>No one said they're invincible
>just that it's impossible for them to be hit

>>52317517
Really depends on the army you pick, but generally the game boils down to target prioritization and listbuilding.

Eldar and their friends are particularly good at maneuver warfare. Two eldar players in a battle can be very fluid

>>52317534
But anon, you are talking about Emperor's space marines, not about ultraupgraded marines

>>52317547
>>52317567
So if I wanted to get into the game with something like say dark eldar, there isn't a faucet of the game where a fast army can win by out maneuvering a heavy one.

It's not like the fluff/vidya where speed wins the day for some forces.

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>tfw your faster-than-thought slaaneshi daemonettes get charged by 2 guardsman conscripts and get hit before they can react but it's okay because you ran two laps around the table and shouted "Fuck my anus" while having a better beard than the opponent so now you get to swing first anyway

Based AoS

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>>52317504
>It's a joke anon, about how sigmarines are similar to space marines.

Bruh you need to learn how to actually tell jokes.

Seems like YOU'RE the autistic one here, really.

>>52317643
IS IT TRUE

CAN IT BE

THE PROPHESY?!

>>52317602
>I hope you don't start asking for plastic steel legion
Too bad, I want plastic steel legion

>>52316941
>>52316980

All I hear is salt, my friends.

>>52317640
>>tfw your faster-than-thought slaaneshi daemonettes get charged by 2 guardsman conscripts and get hit before they can react but it's okay because you ran two laps around the table and shouted "Fuck my anus" while having a better beard than the opponent so now you get to swing first anyway
>Based AoS
legit kekked

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>>52317624
>he killed three Guardians and thinks it's impressive
>summary execution for appropriating heretical xenos technology

>>52317601
I would be totally fine with a system like that. Firing guns make you strike later, charging makes you strike sooner, and certain units or weapons can further improve your initiative (namely for Orks and things with spears)

That would make initiative and getting the charge off still matter, but makes it more granular. Eldar firing their guns would swing at the same time as charging guardsmen, for example. That's fine, since there's a tradeoff.

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>>52317593
Saved.

in mobile format to trigger autists

>>52317615
>You know people actually liked those, right?
Yeah I am pretty sure that IG and Eldar players love keep using their old models.
>Be less of a little bitch
Youbmean talking bad about new GW policy?

>>52317397
>>52317368

>The monkeigh are charging!
>Fuck! What do we do?
>Should we paralyze them with our screams?
>Should we shoot our psychic thought needles into their brains?
>Should we use our superhuman agility and reflexes
>Nah, let them have their turn. Fair is fair
>They took a run up and everything

People are actually defending this? It'll throw any fast and fragile CC unit in the trash unless they get some rule that represents their reactions. There better be more to this than charge = goes first.

>>52317640
Literally no one ever used those rules bescause those characters are no longer in the game. They were placeholder rules AT BEST until the grand alliance books came out. NONE of the new books have those rules.

>>52317640
>Age of Guilliman
>slaanesh existing

I have bad news for you pepe.

>>52317643
Source it nigger

>>52317640
I mean, if two guardsman are brave enough to charge a unit of daemons, they deserve a free hit or two

not like you won't still be able to paint yourself in their blood as soon as you get a hit in

>>52317630
>not about ultraupgraded marines
Guilliman isn't the Emperor, and quite frankly him completely re-writing the Emperors most sacred work does completely fly in the face of his character.

All we know is a "new weapon" against Chaos is being developed. People have been shit-slinging and saying "NUMARINES NUMARINES NUMARINES" but all of that line of thinking is based entirely on one blurry photo of a quite-possibly-converted mini that can't be proven or disproven.

Even Corax couldn't beat the Emperors work when the Emperor literally gave him all the tools to do it.

>>52317675
guardians are I5, WS4

Killing three means even if he charged, it took two combat rounds to down them all. Reasonably impressive.

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>>52317640

top kek

https://youtu.be/Z7CUmdskOtI

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>>52317640
>Yfw New edition replaces seize the initiative with "Whoever has the longest neckbeard goes first"
>Rolling for deployment is now D6 plus the amount of days you've gone without bathing

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>>52317643

>>52317684
>people like the new models
>"But those people got no new toys!"

Nice job moving the goalposts.

>>52317690
>People are actually defending this?
There are Shillmarfags in this thread defending even the worst parts of the AoS system, anon. These retards will stop at nothing to try and convince other people to play their crappy game so they have people to play with and don't have to kill themselves for wasting their money on a shit dead game.

>>52317515
These are some great looking models.

>>52317727
You guys know those rules aren't really there, right?

>>52317711
>Even Corax couldn't beat the Emperors work when the Emperor literally gave him all the tools to do it.
Cawl had 9000 years while Emps an Corvax had years.

>>52317727
Now I realize why they are introducing new Nurgle units...

>>52317624

>Being too fast for dipshit guardsman to hit in CC means you can't be killed by any other means

Nigga u stoopid. No one's saying you can't shoot them or bomb em. They're saying rules should reflect speed in close combat and that Aspect Warriors, Genestealers, Wyches etc shouldn't stare gormlessly while some loser charges at them in slow mo.

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>>52317684
>not orks
>not nids
wew
>new GW policy
Nah, I mean crying like you know exactly what the new edition will be like and being a whiny doomsayer

>>52317645
Are you a new fag here or something? People call sigmarines space marines all the fucking time. Don't blame me for your autism assuming I was making some argument about space marine gene seed or whatever the fuck, like Jesus Christ man. Are all AoS players this annoyingly serious about everything?

>>52317711
Well, the "new marines" leak also said that there'll be a huge announcement for Nurgle and Death Guard with new Plague Marines soon.

And here we are.

New Marines being a real thing is getting more likely by the minute.

>>52317677
Here's my theory, since I'm decidedly not one to cry the sky is falling every thread.

Gw is releasing extreme versions of proposed changes to test the water. The game designers might have said "assault sucks, how do we fix it?" Threw around some ideas and came up with a very extreme solution.

If they receive backlash on the proposed change they can revert it to something more manageable. It's like haggling for a price, you say you want 50$ for the item but you'd be totally cool with selling it for 40$ and the buyer thinks he got a deal by bargaining with you

>>52317637
DE are one of the joke armies so not really.

40k isn't really about strengths and weaknesses as much as it's about some armies getting all the strengths while everyone else gets fucked.

>>52317548
The autocannons are mostly intended for (hopefully) murdering the fuck out of Wraiths, because I know for 100% certain he'll have as many Wraiths as he can and Guardsmen are shit at actually hurting them. Once I knock the shields off his vehicles they can plink them to death, too.

Adding them to the squads would both cut into my bubblewrap shield and I wouldn't be able to move my guys around without fucking over the HWTs, so I think I'm better off having them separate. I don't need to worry about targeting Warriors with the HWTs because the Scions, Bane Wolf and LR Exterminator have that well and good covered.

>>52317709
>they deserve a free hit or two

Why? Being brave doesn't suddenly give you the ability to swing faster. This is why rules like Hammer of Wrath exist and why Furious Charge used to give +1 initiative. To represent that sort of reckless abandon in a charge.

>>52317739
>>people like the new models
>who looks more like action figures
>hurrr stop bitching durrr you have no right to like miniatures

>>52317711
>on one blurry photo of a quite-possibly-converted mini that can't be proven or disproven.
Just like those blurry photos of Mortarion that were "totally debunked" right?

Why are so many people so fucking bad at telling legit leaks apart from fakes? It's not a conversion. We have seen the first nu-marine.

>>52317486
>smiling marine
Now that's spooky

>>52317690
>People are actually defending this? It'll throw any fast and fragile CC unit in the trash
Why? It didn't in fantasy. Charging units going first MADE fast/fragile units better, since they could dictate the engagement better.

ASF was what made many units complete fucking trash.

>>52317643
>no pictures
Seen this episode before.

>>52317745
>dead game
> #4 highest selling minis game ahead of hordes

Top lol

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>>52317721
>we are the seventh legion

???

>>52317781
got the pics?

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>MORE Chaos wank

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>>52317643
>>52317700
There's even a sprue!

>>52317767
If it was for the boxed game, I could buy it. This completely misses the problem with assaults though. The problem is not that low initiative units get wasted by high initiative close combat units (except for Orks). The problem is getting blasted with 50 S D AP 1 Ignores cover Ignores Invuln Ignores Feel no Pain Ignores line of Sight shots at the start of turn one.

>>52317749
>Cawl had 9000 years while Emps an Corvax had years.

Cawl also had scraps of info, while a literal Primarch had the entire workshop and toolset of the Emperor Himself, PLUS His genetic code, PLUS the direct sanction to undertake those actions. It STILL blew up pretty horrifically in his face, even without Alpha Legion dickery.

Was HAS been confirmed (and what quite frankly makes sense) is that since Guilliman has awoken, the Ultramarines have a new source of fresh geneseed, and can therefore make better recruits faster and in greater numbers because they have a significant source of seed to draw upon that they previously did not have.

Other than that, all we have is "a weapon." That can be anything.

>>52317760
>Are all AoS players this annoyingly serious about everything?
Well they take AoS setting as something serious so probably yes.

>>52317637
well kinda.

dark eldar jetbikes move 36". regular dudes move 6" then d6 and assault 2d6.

so they should never be able to catch them.

The game is also heavily focused on objectives that will be placed all over the board. It's not like you have to table your opponent.

>>52317772
I'm confused by why people like it so much then. This thread makes it sound like the worst kind of pay to win game, but it's one of the most popular products.

I love the fluff and spend too much time reading the books. Is that the only thing that keeps people playing table top? What is the part you find the most fun? Do you have any stories of out smarting an opponent on the board?

>>52317809
The Mortarion ones? Pretty sure they were just posted in this thread. Scroll up.

>>52317817
Those are one of the twins.

>>52317817
She looks great.

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>>52317813

>le nidfag who still thinks his army is le main threat of 40k has arrived

>>52317760
You know, I'm not even involved here, but you're the one who's kind of freaking out here. You made a controversial post, and you got called on it by a bunch of anons.

Maybe it wasn't what you meant to say, but it's what you said.

>>52317834
nah i meant the numarines

>>52317832
The games I've seen at my local game store had the units spread the width of the table on both sides. Is that not normal then?

>>52317828
>have a new source of fresh geneseed,
>guilliman's sole job is to get jerked off by hot eldar babes all day

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>>52317695
>NONE of the new books have those rules.

>What is the Great unclean one
>What is the Skaven doombell.

Look 'em up, i'll wait.

>>52317859
the model posted next to one of the last chancer pewter models that definitely wasn't a kitbash?

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>>52317857
>me
>nidfag

Please don't insult me like that.

>>52317801

Possible they (Or the Traitor Legions in general) think the only real Legions left themselves and thus have taken to renumbering. Alternatively they saw their former title as something foisted on to them by the Emperor.

Of course it could just be a marketing fuck up too.

>>52317711
>but all of that line of thinking is based entirely on one blurry photo of a quite-possibly-converted mini that can't be proven or disproven.
No, it's based on one of the most reliable rumour people who predicted nearly everything we've gotten in the last few years straight up saying it.

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>>52317817

>>52317779
You were acting like the new approach GW has for things is absolute shit and not working, when evidently it is, as their stocks are still rising and people like the new model releases, even if you think they look like action figures which is a completely retarded statement anyway since Warhammer is just toys already and the older big demon models looked just as much like action figures.

You have a right to not like models but that doesn't mean to lose the little mind you seem to have left over absolutely fucking nothing being confirmed yet and everything since Rowntree taking over being done in a direction to salvage the burning carcass left behind after Kirby and it shows in the stock market and in the general consensus of the community. Spouting shit that is factually wrong is far different from just throwing a fit because people like things you don't like.

>>52317859
how have you still not seen that? Have you been living under a rock? Go check dakka I'm sure they have a whole thread on it.

>>52317862
most people tend to do that. the game can end though after 5 turns so if your regular infantry unit starts at one end and wants to go to the other

they are fuuucked.

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>>52317859
Not him but here.

>>52317869
Progenoid glands are in the neck, and Primarch geneseed is generally taken from blood or tissue samples.

So basically endless neck massages

>>52317801
I think GW goofed

7 is nurgle's number, though.

>>52317833
Anon, 40k has ALWAYS had a decent/meh/poor ruleset. What other games don't have is the lore and models. I LOVE Orks and Word Bearers, and no other setting has them like 40k does. I love the models GW has. And I love the lore. That's why I play 40k.

A lot of stuff in 40k is unbalanced, but for the most part it's mostly anons just overblowing it. Orks and Tyranids are most definitely underpowered, though each do have some really good units and cheese they can still pull off.

>>52317486
I like the new cartoonier look of the models

>>52317903
Ooh, neat. They look pretty similar, what's the big deal?

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>>52317889
And this is why I magnetized mine to her base.

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>>52317828
>>52317869
>they have a significant source of seed to draw

>>52317904
there's a second progenoid in the chest cavity

it's the one that gets removed after death, and the reason the apothecaries carry those saws on their arms

>>52317903
Guillimarines

>>52317833
I got to admit I have never been a huge fan of playing 40k. It's ok. Good fun for a few hours.

The hobby is 90% painting, modelling and reading fluff for me.

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>>52316913
at least we "strike first" anon

>>52317903
Anyone who thinks there's even a slight chance this is a kitbash is severely mentally handicapped.

>>52317833
There's a lot of reasons for that but it can mainly be summed up as inertia.

>>52317787
>>52317690
Man, this buffs the shit out of Assault weapons when you think about it.
Veteran Guardsmen kitted for counterassault:
>1 Str. 5 AP 4 Template
>2 Str. 4 AP 5 Templates
>13 Str. 3 AP - Shots (unless you grab a bolt pistol)
>12 Str. 3 AP - Hits

Vs Chaos I'm going to drive these guys up in a Chimera, let the berzerkers bust the tank, and laugh as I get all that PLUS the flamer overwatch all after a 12+D6 flat out movement. Wheeee! My speedbumps leave bruises now!

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>>52317962
>melee race

>>52317892
>and not working,
Where I said anything like this?
>Rowntree taking over being done in a direction to salvage the burning carcass left behind after Kirby and it shows in the stock market
Anon, how the fuck "Rowntree good for GW profits"="Rowntree good for Warhammer 40k what we liked"?
>that is factually wrong
Yes, AoS is very original setting with completely original models design and 40k isn't turning into Alliance in Space with new perfect Ultramarines

>>52317903
non-marines player here, what even is the difference? They look the same as regular space marines to me, except for the gun I guess

>>52317207
im still stuck on Guilliman's gold trim

>>52317985
tanks can't overwatch, I don't think

But i do want to convert up some shotgun vets now.

>>52317976
Anyone who can't see the different coloured plastics is severely physically blind.

>inb4 muh lighting

>>52317826
Well here's my point of Contention (I play tau and grey knights so I hear both ends of the spectrum).

Shooting should be more effective than melee, it just is. It's why guns replaced swords.

That being said, insanely powerful weapons like str D should be quite rare and only present on things like knights, stormsurges, bane blades etc.

I think gw should buff and assaulting units and reduce the total number of horrifically powerful shots. I propose a general Nerf on the str of most larger weapons that aren't one shot. A heavier tax on insanely powerful units like riptides and knights should also be present. These changes should be codex specific though

For example, riptides and stormsurges are rare units in tau fluff. They are not systems every commander and his grandma has access to. To reflect this players should have to give up something significant to bring such powerful units to bear, for tau something like having to take more firewarriors than usual (3 squads with shasui) per stormsurge incurs a tax on list building without arbitrarily increasing unit cost.

Similarly knights might have to take a dedicated transport in never to be resent on the battlefield etc.


These changes would reduce the total number of powerful units while changing the method in which they are deployed and utilized, while still retaining the devastating power they bring to the table

>>52318014
It's 35mm scale

>>52317882
Hate to break it to you, those are both compendium warscrolls.

Try again. Show me one of those rules in Stormcast, Pestilens, Seraphon, ironjawz, sylvaneth, flesh eaters, bloodbound, tzeentch, or iceclaw raiders.

I'll wait.

>>52318039
I bet you think that the jpg compression is "green stuff" too

>>52318014
Almost every part of the model is slightly different except for the pauldrons. The whole thing is larger and scaled differently. The guns are completely fucking new.

>>52318039
>what is a prototype

>>52317207
Finished up the main bodies of the 5 Skitarii I still have unfinished today, will need to do their weapons to finish them up.

This arctic theme is so fucking time consuming, sometimes I regret picking it. Didn't get any work on my Power Mace done these last 2 days either.

When are you starting a BatRep YouTube channel anyway?

>>52318014
Slightly more elaborate chest/legs, scale's closer to the deathwatch marines than it is regular tactical marines.

the dumb bolter is the biggest change

>new nurgle based models
>New rules
Where are all these coming from? What did I miss

>>52318063
pfft, no. There's orcs/orruks behind the kitbash. I'M not blind.

>>52318039
>differently colored plastics meaning anything on a prototype mockup
Please, anon, show me what kits all those parts came from to be bashed together. I'll wait.