Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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Thoughts?

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Plastic sisters when?

>>52310599

Castellans Detachment?

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Plz don't make new thread if the old one didn't reach page 9

Also what is the most newbie-friendly army
- rule-wise
- budget-wise
- modeling/painting skills required

>>52310606
when orks are made s4 and i3 or better (never).

>>52310632
Pic related, easiest to paint, easiest to play and pretty cheap to collect.

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R8 anti-Custodes / Gay knights list

They're imperial fists to reroll bolters

>>52310632

Probably pic-related in your post.

Reminder that the purpose of 40k is to be a vehicle for social justice.

>>52310632
I dont play them but probably Spess Mahreens, low model count, can be as good or as trash as you want in game, also so many of them out there so theyre cheap as chips on Ebay. Plus most are just one colour and a trim so painting is easy.

Has anyone managed to cheese out a filled FOC castellons detachment yet at a lower points level. That could be hilarious.

>>52310621

>"There will be no plastic sisters guise."
>Still in denial
>After the named Canoness, who was failcast, sold out for months
>After Celestine was the primary selling model of Gathering Storm I
You can only fuck up so much.

Is a terminator spam army shit?
What about dreadnought spam?
I'm thinking Iron Hands

>>52310647

It's possible, but you run into the issues that all low-model-count armies have. Additionally, Tau is extremely reliant on Markerlights, which your army doesn't really have. Suits by themselves have mediocre BS.

>>52310710
Dreadnoughts are poo. Terminators are meh, chaos terminators are super poo.

>>52310655
>Vanilla DevCents

But why. That's such a fucking waste of points.

Make them Grav Cents and stick in a pod where you need them. Gravspam lists are shitty anyway. You're better off running gravbikes. If you want pods, take melta/combi-melta and do what you need to do.

>>52310632
Grey Knights is the best budget-wise: you are fine with 15-20 models.
Not the easiest to paint but having low models will allow you to allocate more time for each model and save time in general.
No particularly complicated rules also, except for the fact that all units are psykers, and many units will have mixed weapon types (both melee and ranged).

>>52310710
Dreads are pretty good for their cost. Even a stock dread in a pod at 135 is really cost effective. Pay the 5 extra to turn that shitty storm bolter into a heavy flamer and you're golden.

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>>52310606
>Orkfags got most of their metal models replaced w/ plastic ones 4-5 years ago
>Bolter-bitches still stuck with metal models in 2017
I'm a greenskin and this is just depressing.
Seriously GW, you take care of the boyz and other xenos before the nun with guns? Hell, you brought a WHOLE NEW FACTION INTO THE GAME and haven't given the SoB plastic models yet.

Zoggin' hell GeeDubs, get it together...

>>52310710

Terminators are shit save for assault terminators

At that point cost there's no such thing as a "spam" terminator or dreadnought list.

Dreadnoughts are ok support heavy weapons units with capabilities in cc, but they're residual and should only be taken as compliment

Exodites fucking when?

>>52310770
One downside is that they don't have a Start Collecting. Understandable since they could just call it Finish collecting if they gave you 10 models a vehicle and a qg

>>52310632
It's necrons. Painting them is hilariously easy, they're great value $ to points wise, their units are extremely hard to kill with good shooting. They're complete idiotproof.

>>52310632
Pic related is pretty good, especially since they are immune to fleshbane and poison

>>52310808
No they aren't.

Yay, GW shipped my Sisters of Silence pre-order early, tracking says they'll be here tomorrow

>>52310808
>immune to fleshbane and poison
>I don't play 40k

>>52310744

>Hey Anon, my Seraphim are going to use their Act of Faith to get shred
>"YOU CAN'T DO THAT. CELESTINE DOESN'T HAVE THE ACT OF FAITH SPECIAL RULE, EVEN THOUGH HER WARLORD TRAIT RELATES TO FRIENDLY UNITS USING THEIR ACT OF FAITH"
>O-ok, I'll just fire normally then

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>Reporting cheetah-poster
I know that MODS will do nothing but still feel good

>>52310854

>Can't even manage a coherent response
I'd hate to see how you'd react to a scenario in a pickup game, if you struggle to do it anonymously online.

>>52310627
Honestly haven't checked out CotI before. I'd gain ongoing reserves but lose ObjSec? I'd need to get something to score objectives with then

>>52310840
I'll just forge the narrative!
Deploy from an Immolator, shoot and hope back in during the assault phase!
Narrative!
I'll shall make my 3+ saves against everything because they have so much faith!

I'm going to narrative my way to first place!

>>52310787
This summer. They'll release the "Jungle bunny showdown" boardgame that pits exodites and kroots against each other in a steamy jungle warfare.

>>52310973

>Steps away from object of conversation
>/pol/ buzzwords
>Cares about the gender of pewter toys
>Embarassing furry avatar reaction image
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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R8 my list

It's a base for me to start buying miniatures.

Spare tacticals would combat squad and hold objectives / shoot behind covers

Assault squad is just to harass

>>52311063
have you considered dreadnoughts?
You should have 5 or 6 of those.

>>52311084

I've considered buying a venerable but for lower points list in which I need heavy weapons

>>52310682
Fuck off

Did summer started in the USA or I'm less tolerant for shitposting today? This thread got annoying really fast.

>>52310840
>you cant do that!
>yea I can she's clearly SoB
>nuh uh this poorly worded rule states you can't
>fight me kid
>what...?
>I use my act of faith
>o..ok
>fuckin nerd

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Hey /tg/!
I had a pretty good game today, my Kekclowni Aeldari™ and Darki Aeldari™ vs Tau.

I went in to it expecting to lose and lose I did but I managed to give him a pretty good run around.

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>>52311040

>Higher demand than any marine character model
>Still failcast
It must hurt being so wrong.

>>52311120
Spring break

>>52311146
>ywn have a gf that uses the skulls of her fallen enemies as boob protection

>>52311102

>Not intelligent enough to comprehend irony
>Keeps avatar spamming
My sides.

Is Castellans of the Imperium considered cheese/WAAC?

>>52311147
When does it end?

>>52311178
no.

>>52311185
Depends on the area early ones are this week and some will have next week off but they should all cycle back to school in early April.

>>52311178
Yes, but also no.
You can't really turbo waac with it, but it can turn annoying for anyone that isn't marine broken formation, Tau or Eldar.

>>52310920

If you include Coteaz, every infantry model in the detachment has objective secured.

>>52311160
>cheetah cucks trying this hard to be best cat
>panthers exist
Pathetic

>>52311063
Termies can't take a pod. They derpstrike for free.

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>>52311133
Shadow seer gave him the run around with fog of dreams and stopped his riptide shooting while my entire army closed in for the kill.

I wiped out his broadsides and cleared away his crisis suits but then I made the biggest mistake of the game, I charged him.
Overwatch claimed the life of the shadow seer, the sky weavers, 4 harlequins and 1 wound off the solitaire, when what was left of them reached melee the, Ws1, tau proceeded and destroy my clowns in close combat.
Solitaire died or a riptide while his commander murdered my troupe master and one harlequin.

Why are tau so good in melee? We may never know and I may never come this close to beating Tau again but it was a fun game.

>>52311233
They can, just not as a dedicated transport

>>52311212
Yeah, noticed!

>>52311192
>>52311206
It just feels like an extreme min/max at this point, losing all the fluff

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>>52310606
February 2017... whoops

>>52311212
Castellan of the Imperium is the only New formation that has a point cost.

Mind you the point cost is in the form of Torquemada Coteaz. 100 points so everyone gets Objective Secure (everyone non vehicle)

>>52311259
Kek

>>52311178
Only if you respawn Drop Pods.

Is Battle for Vedros any good for kids? Might pick one up for nephew if its simpler than full blown 40k (he's 8).

pls stop posting cheetah and cat memes on my thread and also stop responding to them.

>>52311288
i think it's the general idea

>>52311298
>my thread
Dude

>>52311286
>not a single pro sports team is called the cheetahs
>literally dozens called the Panthers
How can cheetahs even compete?

>>52311298
>tfw you wish Scruffy visited from /mlp/ to take out the trash

That mother fucker is relentless.

>>52311259
Anon honey the last time SoB got a chance for plastic models was back in 2004 when the veteran superio Seraphim model was release.

That said I keked with that image macro

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>>52311241

>Implying I care which avatar spamming pleb I verbally bash the shit out of
>Still can't comprehend irony

>>52311347
>panthers lions and jaguars all have multiple pro sports team
>cheetah cucks sit at home and wait for the superior cats to come bang their wives

>>52310835

I don't like them either but you can say the same thing about Space Marines too. 30k AdMech look baller and Skitarii aren't bad. FW Skitarii upgrade kit looks extra baller.

Fucking furries.

Question:

The Blood Angels Codex tends to have equipment descriptions for characters like "Can take from the special issue wargear...relics of baal", but none of that stuff has point values in the back of the codex. Is it free or is there something I'm missing?

MODS

How does it look to you Anon ? I only wish I could squeeze in a Deathwing Dread. Any feedback ?

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>>52311448
Forgot my picture.

>>52311445
ditto on this
idiots dont realize that if you continue responding to cheetah cuck that he will keep on makign straw men. good grief.

>>52311426
Page 51

Are Renegade Knights battle brothers with Orks and other xeno races or is it just CSM?

So what are 'must-haves' in Castellans of the Imperium? Which goodies should I throw in now that I don't have to bail something out by getting a HQ & troops from that codex?

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>>52310422

Opinions needed:
A Space Marine Gladius of exactly 107 Marines: 60 Tacticals, 20 Devastators, 20 Assault, 5 Command, a Captain and a Chaplain. Plus vehicles.

All Sergeants are painted and converted to be First Founding/Grey Knights. All squad members are painted as individual Chapters and led by their First-Founding Sergeant.
Unknown lineage or spillover are reallocated to Command, or to bulk out the number among other squads.

> Tacticals
> Ultramarines, White Scars, Salamanders, Iron Hands, Space Wolves, Grey Knights
> Assault
> Raven Guard, Blood Angels
> Devastator
> Imperial Fists, Dark Angels

All models are converted, painted and based beautifully. Battlefield effectiveness is second to style.

Am I autistic?

>>52311509
yes but its pretty neat. pics?

>>52311408
Why? Why do you feed him? He ask the same fucking thing thread after thread.

I2
Poison
Cheetah
Night lord FAQ
Walkers are not vehicles
Not telling what is inside transport

You should know better by now. This shitposting is old as fuck

>>52311146
>>Higher demand than any marine character model

The fuck are you talking about, all the marine limited edition models sold out and the plastic terminator chaplain goes for $300 on eBay.

If anything, marine models show even greater demand, since their supply is so high and they STILL sell out, repeatedly. Of course a SINGLE SoB limited would sell out. At this point ANYTHING SoB would sell out due to low supply and moderate demand. It doesn't even come close to proving the demand is higher than marine demand when FW literally only pumps out marines because the demand is so high.

TYRANIDS AND ORKS ARE FUCKING SHIT

>>52311532
>Not telling what is inside transport

This is actually fun for games with friends and makes squad markings and other details relevant.

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Anons, what Ork Flyer is the best one if you don't know what opponent you're going to face?

The Burna-Bommer seems pretty good if you're going up against 4+ or worse, since Heavy Flamer bombs and missiles seem really good against stuff like that, but I dunno.

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>>52311233
>>52311247

R8

>>52311502

Castellans is built to accommodate mainly MSU style armies.
Dedicated transports that have damage output potential.
Chimera, Razorbacks, Inquisition Land Raiders and Immolators would be good for clearing your deployment zone when they roll back on.
As mentioned earlier, Coteaz gives Obsec to all non-vehicle models.

>>52311540
Fun SoB oddity regarding stock

When GW change to fail cast all mental models where sold for scrap.

Current SoB models sold are metal.
Either GW kept the SoB stock or the crazy bastards are making metal models to keep them stocked. Since the bitches constantly run out of stock.

They must be still making old metal SoB models or the fuckers just made an absurd amount of models and are doing an apple to keep the illusion of running out.

>>52311532
Lower your expectations anon. You should know by now how autistic /tg is.

>>52311603
Probably just had a bunch of stock leftover due to not selling them, and want to sell out first in order to purchase new molds.

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>>52311617

It wasn't always this way, you know.

Do the rumours of new guards models have any foundation or are they Plastic Sisters™-tier?

Need something to make 30k Auxilia out of, Cadians don't look gothic enough.

>>52310422
Fucking hell, Duncan! Stop showing off with that "Painting perfectly inside every single goddamn recess" thing!

Oh, no wait! He made one whole mistake! He IS human after all!

>>52311639
The thing is their last new model was back in 2004. More than a decade ago. How much overstock can they have? And why do they keep running out of stock, restocking it back?

GW works in mysterious and retarded ways

>>52311603
That's because plastics are already in the pipeline and they want to support the old range to maintain interest until they're ready to completely revamp it.

Are Possessed/Chaos Spawn any good or is that a meme

>>52311678

1 Cheetah poster was banned. There is now 1 left.

>>52311678
Mod attempting to prune away the dynamic IP cheetah fag presumably.

>>52311653

>Thinks his shit posting triggers anyone
>autistically cackling as he pulls his cheetah picks from the folder next to his furry porn
>so far into the fur closet he ended up narnia

Man these new shitposters are fucking low quality.

What is the most OP army right now? Eldar? Necrons? Tau?

>eldar fags spamming jetbikes
>kek as I plop down banewolfs and a malcador infernus
>basilisk formation ignoring armor and cover

Feels good to be guard.

>>52311033
Catachans when?

>>52311728
Eldars, daemons or SM.

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Working on a death watch list. Suggestions for what to change/add?

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Adepticon conference today, apparantly lots of model reveals

Here's hoping I have something to look forward to

>>52311133
Kek, I was the guy in the store with you earlier. My Thousand Sons got rekt by those Tau in the background after you.

>>52311711
They deleted the "why Mechanicus" post!

Justice?! Or random purge?

>>52311747

When is it supposed to be?

>>52311728

On paper, Ynnari.
But the one time I played them, I steamrolled them.

>>52311742

How are SM overpowered? They usually mediocre.

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>>52311472
Well - as you can see, reporting him over 20 times made it

>>52310599
*Brings veterans in Chimeras*

BWAHAHAHA! The pitter-patter of you're anti-infantry weapons is lulling my sargents to sleep!

Give the infantry lacannons and swap the lord commissar for a CCS w/ lascannon. Then you can combine the squads, issue "Bring it Down", and finally bring some turn 1 anti-tank to the field. This isn't WAAC-ing, your list will still be nice and casual. But you need at least two sources of AT. Ideally 3.

You could choose to kit something else out for AT instead of the infantry platoon (I don't know what Scouts or skittarii can or can't take) bt my point stands:

One Vendetta is not going to protect you from a monstrous creature/vehicle based list.

I have a friend who wants to get into 40k, so I thought I'd put together an intro game for him. What would be a good point value for a first game with someone who's never played?

>>52311579

Dakkajet remains the best overall choice, since reliable Str 6 shooting is good against just about everything.

That being said, none of the Ork flyers are actually much good, and if the enemy has any anti-air units they'll be blasted out of the sky in short order.

>>52311745
>2 man unit of vanguard

Is there some Deathwatch special rule that makes that viable?

40ks balance is hourglassy atm, and if you are playing an army in the higher tiers you generally can win with good play and the right mission. But the armys in the bottom of the hourglass hate there fucking lives atm

>>52311704

Spawn are decent. Mark of Nurgle is basically mandatory and should always be purchased in essentially all cases. The only time to run them without is, is Unmarked for escorting a Slaanesh or Tzeentch HQ.
(Khorne rides with Flesh Hounds via Allied Gorepack)

Possessed are irredeemable trash and worthless in any medium.
Crimson Slaughter did not make them playable, nor did Word Bearers.
They single-handedly ruin the Daemonkin mega-Detachment, Daemon of Khorne did not fix them.
No formation comes close to fixing them.
Avoid in literally all circumstances.

>>52311745

The salamanders terminator is neat

The raven guard assault vanguard is neat as well

The black shield is OP with the giant hammer.

>>52311777

You have to build their specific cheese lists and they have to be DA or White Scars/Ultramarines.

>>52311782

Kill team is good fun and easy to get together, if you can encourage him to put together a 500 point it will start to naturally expand as he builds more kill teams.

>>52311796

It's possible but not viable at all

Deathwatch is a meme army just like Custodes

>>52311770
Was it a scatbike/biketarch+reavers/archon+d-scythe wraithguard list though?

>>52311810

The models have some decent bits. That is the only positive about Possesed.

>>52311782

750 points.
Allows for vehicles that aren't transports.

>>52311742
>Taufags still refuse to acknowledge the fact that Tau have outplaced C:SM and DA as 3rd best army in the game
>b-but m-muh "tournament performance don't show Tau to be OP"
>mfw these dumbasses say this while Tau are constantly topping

>>52311782
200-500 basic footslogger infantry with special/heavy weaps. I remember the box sets had good intro progression campaigns, haven't seen the most recent one tho.

>>52311796
Probably not. I would probably want to run them as individual units for the distraction factor or otherwise add more.

>>52311815
I thought the Blackshield couldn't take that?

>>52311834

D-scythes in Raiders on a 4x4'.
And some Harlequins.

>>52311823

>DA

No thanks.

So I should play Eldar or Daemons then if I want a strong army?

>>52311845
Who hurt you anon?

>>52311777
Opportunity to exploit some of their codexes.

No army is inherently overpowered, some just have units that are poorly balanced and/or undercosted.

There was an anon in the thread yesterday with a perfectly fine, rounded Eldar army that would be fun to play with or against, but the Eldar codex itself is an abomination in the wrong (WAACer) hands.

>>52311781
Was just pondering that question, thanks! Think another Vendetta would do the trick?

I could bring Scouts with snipers and a missile launcher or Skitarii with haywire etc

>>52311595
Got it, thanks!

Does anyone here have the Start Collecting discount comparison pic?

>>52311780
I think the greatest Irony in retrospect is that people complained more consistently about Grey Guard Guy posting battle reports and works in progress than they did about cheetah guy.

I mean, it's not like the guard can just change color schemes between games, and at least he was posting relevant pictures! But whatever. I'm glad the mods finally stepped in.

>>52311860
>the distraction factor

No ones going to be distracted by a single assault marine.

>>52311860
>for the distraction factor

Lmao they get rekt by any 20 man unit of shitters

What distraction factor? They're literally gonna die from anything

Any good place to find additional missions beyond the base 12?

>>52311777

Bike / grav spam meta

Smashfucker meta

>>52311770

How are Ynnari OP? I would rather have Corsairs and desu Battle Focus is better than Soulburst from a board control and reliability standpoint.

>>52311831
We'll be using my models, after the game, I'm gonna explain the factions to him to try to help him decide who to get into.

>>52311843
That's what I was thinking, but didn't know if it would be too much at once.

>>52311737

Whenever that Waaaagh and the void whale hit the system.

>>52311913
>>52311935
So I take it I would be better off with one large squad?

>>52311146
>GW prints plastic 30k marine box set
>quarterly revenue blows way past targeted income, stock soars to unprecedented post-Kirby highs

Let's face it, character models are in low demand due to GW's high price for solo blisters, and people only need one HQ.

GW is going to milk the plastic heresy cow for a long time because BaC and BoP were smash hits.

>>52311940
Campaign books - check the op.

>>52311849
And that was my other thought.
Just like, a few hundred points of really basic guys.

>>52311907
GGA was a nice guy who actually contributed something to the 40k general, instead of endlessly shitposting. Like him or not, but a battle report with mostly painted armies is more entertaining than >Aeldari xDDDDDDDD ebin cheetah
for the nth time.

On a completely unrelated note, there were rumors of stuff being revealed today, anything new about that?

>>52311876
Not him, but life hurt me. I have a good living, enough time and money to waste, but sad and lonely. Paying people to play with was only fun the first time.
Even the girls that you pay for their dignity feel sorry.

I'm just a lonely man

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>>52311849
Gotta squeeze in some variety though, Anon. I built two ~500 point armies for my nephews, and learnt pretty quickly that they found just infantry a bit dull. So we went:

Terminators, Tac Marines, Land Speeder
vs
Chaos Marines, Helbrute, Raptors

Which meant there was a gun platform (Helbrute), one fast unit per side, and the Deep Strike mechanic for the Termis. Made learning a bit more difficult, true, but because it was more varied they had more fun, and learnt quicker.

>>52311940

Roll one eternal war mission and one maelstrom mission, then play them simultaneously. Also limit maels you can score to 2-3 per turn and increase the value of relic and emperor's will objectives to 5 or 6.

You can thank me later.

>>52311760
You did ask for the tournament list AKA the riptide wing.

In my case my Ws9 Solitaire got beaten in combat by a Ws1 riptide...

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>>52311900
>>52311900
anyone?

>>52311960

In 40k numbers are very important and Deathwatch is SHIT when it comes to numbers.

It doesnt matter if you have three super kitted out 2+ invuln save dudes if they're gonna die to 30 gaunts just because they roll so many dice.

It's the same problem SM terminators always had.

If you want to be "competitive" with deathwatch at that low point level make less and bigger units.

>>52311782
500 with basic HQs, troops, and maybe one small vehicle or two*.

*depending on armies this can be a lot or very little.

>>52311979
Thanks for the thought.
I don't have a speeder. Could use some bikes, but that doesn't leave vehicles on both sides. Maybe a rhino? Or just a dread.

>>52312005

Blame the botched cc to hit -table.

>>52311876
SOCIETY DID!

Tau society

>>52311782

The Start Collecting GW boxes usually make for 500 points or so depending on gear

The Black Reach chaos marines (without cultists) can also make 500 points if equipped as seen on the models

>>52312036

They need to fix CC table to hit on 2+ for combat specialists and re-roll hits like high BS, or just auto hit for those WS9/10 melee gods

>>52311950
It's the potential of the out of turn movement or shooting.

I tend to agree with you but I did play one match where my grey knight opponent vortexed my wraith knight so I was able to shoot down his paladin squad which in turn let me assault with my warlord and incubi.

>>52312059

Agreed.

>>52311885
No to the second vendetta, because they come in on turn two and both are vulnerable to anti-air.

You want some anti-tank on turn 1 so you can stun-lock whatever demolishers or vindicators or what have you are brought to the table. Especially if the latter come in a squadron of three (shivers).

You also want units vulnerable to different types of weapons. If, for example, all my AT was stacked on Leman Russes, then all my heavy AT could get wiped by a Grav-Skyhammer in one turn. At least if I bring some of my AT on the tanks and some in an infantry platoon it will take 2 turns for a total AT wipe.

Scouts with snipers won't hurt tanks, but in the age of monstrous creatures that might not be an issue Hell I've seen lists built around snipers and was always confused about why they brought such (in my IG mind) lackluster weapons. Skittarii with Haywire have the vulnerability of needing to march over the board first. But when they do reach the tanks, they're gunna get wiped!

Crab tanks with the Str. 10 AT gun are good. As are lascannons embedded in the infantry platoon (when supported with CCS orders). This is because both are long-range.

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>>52311950

MSU bike spam, multiple shooting attacks during YOUR turn.

>>52312054
I have a pretty decent range of armies that I could make 500 points out of. But I've never taught anyone 40k before, so I was looking for thoughts on what kinds of things should be included in a first game, and how much might be too much for an introduction.

>>52312078

Look into the start collecting boxes, make armies like the ones in the boxes

1 hq 2 troops 1 elite / heavy

>>52311885
I forgot to mention, if it's short ranged but fast, that's just as good as long range. So something in a drop pod, or a devil dog/veterans in chimeras are pretty damn good.

>>52311978

Protips, don't complain about how lonely or miserable you are to people, especially ones you want to befriend, and secondly, ask them questions about themselves, theur hobbies and likes. If its some shit you don't know about, like gardening or whatever, be honest and say you don't know about it.. then ask them to tell you more. People being given an opportunity to teach and feel like they helped someone is a solid way to get them talking to you after an initial conversation.

Its also a gauge for if they lie a lot abd are full of shit if you happen to know the topic but feign ignorance anyway...

>>52312077

Can I just use Craftworld Eldar models (scatbike / wraithguard cancer) and call it Ynnari for some bs rules reason?

I want maximum cancer and apex shitting for my new cancer army

>>52312059
if you have double their Ws then 2+.
double+1 and they hit on 5s.
If you have three times their Ws or more they hit on 6s.

>>52311960
One or two marines, no matter how upgraded, will die even to guardsmen.

You need numbers to absorb casualties.

>>52311794
Yeah, the Dakkajet seems pretty good, but so do the others. The Blitza-Bommer can reliably wreck almost any vehicle in the game with it's boom bombs, as wel as take care of blobs or 3+ or better easily, and the Burna-Bommer will take out any 4+ or worse through Skorcha missiles and bombs.

I dunno, I feel like taking two Blitza-Bommers in my list, but two of any of the other flyers seems like a good idea.

Would it be fair to take two of any of the Ork flyers in a casual 1500 game? Anons said one's totally fine with them, but I dunno about 2.

>>52312073
Should I skip Vendetta altogether? I could get Devastators with four Lascannons for 150 pts.. They can't move and shoot like the Vendetta can tho

Or just keep the one and get some Devastators to help out?

>>52312101
How about Deep Strike / Outflank units?

>>52311833
Honest question: Why are Deathwatch a meme army?
Overpriced and not very good at what they're supposed to do?

>>52312168
Still MEQ but tacs are 70 pts while DW go for between 135-inf pts

>>52312181
Ah okay, thanks

>>52312020
>>52312133
Alright. Good to know. I may look into allies to help swell their numbers somewhat. For now, I may want to just cut the vets and the Black shield squad to round out the other units.

>>52312168

Yes.

>>52311509
That's pretty autistic, I like it.

>>52312106
I'm a man, the only place I can actually bitch and moan is in the internet.

The lonely life is not due to lack of social interaction, but asshole grip of depression

>>52312168

Because they are VERY LOW on model count.

They look good on paper because they can take a fuckton of great gear, but at the end of the day they just have ONE wound per model, so they die like regular SM.

Deathwatch is better suited as allies to SM or IG, not as a standalone army. Even then, Deathwatch is better at higher point games and if you play together with somene that has tons of models like IG that act as meatshields.

>>52312168
They have veterans as troops, and everything has 50 upgrade options.

Running them as a main force is a good way to get a handful of blinged out models that die really fast.

>>52312168
>>52312181
Inferno Heavy Bolters are pretty nice; basically Heavy Bolters but assault 3 with aux Heavy Flamer

Fielding a DW Kill-Team with four of those would cost 215 pts. You could still deck them out more but wouldn't change their toughness or armour save

>>52312155
No, you can take a vendetta just fine. It's a maneuverable and powerful piece of anti-tank with the bonus ability to hot-drop an objective secured unit on the field as it flies. It's great! Few other units can put Str. 9 AP2 or better shots into an enemy's side or rear like a vendetta.

But putting ALL your Anti-tank budget into them is basically a textbook "All your eggs in one basket" fallacy, as I explained above.

Deepstrike and outflank are good. A solid substitute for range or speed. But they have the risk of mishaps or coming on the wrong side. But they don't have to worry about blocked line of sight or getting shot before they can more. Give and take. This is why you spread the AT around different unit types.

Grab some devastator and keep the vendetta. That's my recommendation.

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>>52312073
>>52312101
>>52312155
Working on something like this atm, thoughts?

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Pleased to report I had my first defeat as an Eldar player today. 2.5k Eldar vs 3k of Imp Fists and Grey Knights, gave him a 500pt advantage as I was sick of kerbstomps (this was my 9th game of 40k ever). I won the deployment roll, and spread my army across the board for objective control. He decided to deploy all his shit on one side of the board and sweep it, then flank the rest of my army. He stole the initiative and deep-struck a big unit of the 3+ guys with stormbolters right in my centre, along with a paladin deathbstar right in front of me.Shunted his dreadknight to flank me, and wiped a good portion off the board turn 1. I managed to wipe the centre unit, and halve the paladin squad, and took a couple HP's off his dreadnoughts.But essentially, I was too spread out and he blitzkrieg'd my ass. Was happy to concede at the bottom of turn 3, as he stilll had like 2k pts left and I was just above 1k and the store was closing. Scytheguard worked well as a distraction carnifex, the Dark Reapers did most of the heavy lifting. So it turns out that Eldar ain't OP if you A) don't optimise B) lose the initiative and C) give him a decent points advantage.

We all got a giggle out of his Cheeto Marines though, pic related.

>>52312220

Therapy? Meds?

Admittedly I avoid them because I like having sex and my spouse is very giving.

How are chosen with flamers? I can't imagine its that bad, actually. They're 130pts for 5 flamers plus the 35 for the rhino.

>>52312031
Yeah man, that'll work. If you've got a Rhino on one side, put meltas on the other. Bikes? Don't teach them Jink yet, and give the opponents plasma. Just try and balance it.

Deathwatch make great allies for Grey Knights. Stalker bolters are great for sniping and the frag cannon is your anti armor.
Whatever the grey knights can't handle, Deathwatch can fill the gaps.

>>52312261
Already in that. Like I said life was a dick.

On the flip side one of my armies is not utter shit.

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So I'm trying to come up with a load out for my terminator wolf lord and I'm having trouble on what to decide on in terms of weapons, was leaning to using a frost axe or the Black Death as +2str AP2 seems good for the price plus fuck yeah axes

What are some common load outs for terminator lords, or termie chapter masters as that's the closest equivalent for other codexes

>>52312266
What can Flamers do that CC and bolters can't? Ignores Cover and D3 Overwatch. Is that worth it to you? Do you play in a cover-heavy meta? I do, and I love Flamers.

>>52312259
That game board looks like shit.
0/10 would not place minis

>>52312290

Still seems like a super low model count. I like it though seems very thematic.

>>52312308
>2017
>Not playing on 75% of the board cover with terrain
Is like you enjoy playing 40k wrong

>>52312308

My main army is Sisters, so I love flamers, too. However, I'm looking at it as they're better than bolters for an assault unit and half as expensive as melta guns, which is good for an already expensive unit. There's a big difference between a unit that costs 130 and one that costs 155 before transport.

>>52312346

I like a lot of terrain, too. I learned that back in 5th edition against leaf blowers and tau.

>>52312196
>I may look into allies to help swell their numbers somewhat.

That's really how to do it. Deathwatch have to be used surgically, you take them, point them at something equally dangerous and expensive so they can kill it.

You need to set it up so they can hit without being hit back.

>>52312346
Why am I playing wrong? I said I play on cover-heavy boards.

>>52312343
If you're playing either of those armies, low model count is simply a given. They make up for it by being much more versatile than the average cannon fodder.

>>52311978
Got a local gaming store you could meet people at?

>>52312313
If that's you're idea of bad, PLEASE show me you're tabletops. I think I'm gunna start building custom boards for my shop someday, and I wanna feel inspired!
>>52312259
Sound's good, Anon.

>>52311737
Hopefully never.

>>52312346
Isn't the standard, like, 25-30%?

Pretty sure 75% is Cities of Death level terrain.

>>52311728

>Necrons
>Tau

Not even in contention. Top 4 are Eldar, Daemons, Marines and Dangles.

>>52312424

Rulebook says 25%, but of course people never make all 25% of that LoS blocking, much less use 25% to begin with, so you basically end up with 1% terrain and 24% of useless shit like shrubs and craters

>>52312258
I have no idea what the suppression force does, but just looking at the units this is a much more well-rounded list. No real deficiencies in anything. I'd say good to go!

>>52312272
I'm going through my models right now tryin to put together lists and see what looks fun. Thanks for all the feedback.

>>52312365
Yeah. I'm thinking I may want to go for Charchadons and get some cheaper assault blobs to go after frail things, and have the death watch stuff be focusing more on their specialized guns and shooting.

>>52312395
The wonders of depression and knowing how it works is hell it self.

Think of it as having a car, you know full well how cars should work, yours does not, no matter how much you try to fix it or drive carefully. Your car simply won't work properly.

Back to 40k, any non marine rumors for future release?

>>52312462
Super, thanks!

FYI, SuppForce lets the Land Speeders 'nominate an enemy' for the Whirlwinds, giving them inf range and re-rolls To Hit. Combines nicely with 3x Whirlwinds which gives them Pinning and Shred

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>>52312455
>not building an elaborate 3D maze under the table where only small elite troops can duke it out underground for favorable positions and sneaky HQ kills while the bulk of your armies clash above the ground for table domination

>>52312502
Fair enough dude, I found it really hard the first few times to go in due to anxiety. I hope you find a bit of solace somewhere man.

>>52312304

Lightning claws or thunder hammer + storm shield

However Lighting claws is more affordable and combines better with the army

I like to have an assault terminator squad with three hammers + shield plus two lightning claws, and then the captain on terminator armour with another pair of lighting claws

Can someone please explain me what happend to GW?

Their stocks skyrocketed last semester and apparently they are printing value starter sets?

What the fuck is going on? I havent been paying atention since the last two years. My hope was that they went broke and someone decent bought them but this is good too I guess?

>>52312549

Jesus fucking christ. They are using facebook now?

>>52312549
new people in charge

>>52312549
>My hope was that they went broke and someone decent bought them
If GW ever got bought out, things would get worse. A LOT worse.

>>52312549
New CEO actually loves Warhammer and has his own army.

>>52312549
New CEO, looks like they want to attract new players.

>>52312549
New CEO. Old CEO put out to pasture in a """"""consulting role""""""" after nearly sinking the company.

>>52312582
Still from Kirby team so calm your tits

>>52312582
Do we know what he plays? I might have to base my approval of a man I don't know upon the shape his tiny plastic spacemen have.

>>52312623
Iirc it was a Fantasy army so I didn't really care.

>>52312623
Tau

>>52312623
Some anon said he plays tau

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>>52312630
I'm now imagining him being behind at least 75% of the "Age of Smegmar" posts. Kek

>>52312582

Holy shit, that sounds awesome.

But if you give it a second though a CEO from a really niche company I think its expected from them to at least like or understand the game somehow, he owning an army is still pretty cool.

>>52312577
>>52312605
>>52312608

Anything else good that I might missed?

>>52312536

Different anon, but I'm kind of in the same boat, though mine is mostly schizoid. I'm supposed to go play on Sunday, and I'm honestly not sure if I'm going.

>>52312675

They made a starter set for other race than space marines? HOLY SHIT THAT AWESOME.

Do we have the new rules for SoS and Custodes, yet?

>>52312675
Check out the Warhammer TV channel.

Their add/promo video for their Imperial City pre-made bases or whatever they're called is straight out of an 80's parody.

Also, their painter they have for the painting guides, Duncan Rhodes, is a really great guy who anyone can learn from.

>>52312549

They earned a fuckton of unexpected money through the videogames

They changed management

They started using facebook and started a fan page

>>52312680
Go for it man, You'll have a great time. It took me absolutely ages to pluck up the courage to go in store even though usually i'm fairly confident. Really enjoyed the times ive been though

>>52312675
Starter sets that are actually really good value, with skitarii and tau being the best value per box at this point.

>>52312723
Check out the Armoured Assault boxes too if you can find them, anon. You'll be surprised.

>>52310723
I was thinking that the large number of Crisis teams could bring Marker drones to help mitigate that. Throw in some twin-linked weapons for cheap and it might help mitigate the accuracy issue.

>>52312771
The Armoured Assault boxes are actually still there, they just don't have their own page for them anymore. Check the respective army pages.

>>52312383

It does seem like the DW could add some really strong shooting to the GK. Also, no one ever talks about the buff that the GK got with the newer psychic powers.

>>52312259
You really don't need to give a point advantage, eldar are good but they aren't undefeatable. That table looks pretty sweet tho, I wish I had terrain as good as the shops

>>52312764

I doubt it because it's not about courage. There are people I'd rather avoid entirely for largely unrelated reasons.

>>52312455
>not wanting epic ww2 open field blitzkrieg games
>not fielding tank divisions backed up by infantry squadrons
>putting winning ahead of fun in a table top game

>>52312762
Where were you when warhammer total war saved GW

>>52312803
Oh yeah, they're still there. Guess that's why I couldn't find them at the start collecting page.
Looking through the Space Marines, I now want formation sets for the other factions too. I mean, you can get the Skyhammer Formations and 1st company taskforce without looking through all the pages, that's quite nice

>>52312845
Undefeatable, no. Unfair? My limited experience thus far says yes. No other army can run and shoot, has plentiful S6 in Troops, cheap D weapons, excellent psychic phase etc. Really the only field in which we aren't great is durability, and arguably CC, but again we have units which fill that gap. Kinda wish I'd known how OP they were before I started collecting, I'm kind of committed now :/

>>52312890
>planet bowling ball is fun

Go away IGfag

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>>52312635
>>52312642
Kek

>>52313008
>Really the only field in which we aren't great is durability

Wraithknight, Warp Spiders, Wave Serpents (which aren't even taken because lol)

>CC

Banshees, Scorpions, Wraithknights

>>52313008
>No other army can run and shoot, has plentiful s6 in troops, cheap D weapons, excellent psychic phase

>What is Chaos Daemons

Literally everything there besides cheap D, and even that's possible with the new Lore of Change. And they have Summoning to replace it.

>>52312890
>"epic open field games"
>tank divisions killing infantry squadrons wholesale because there's no fucking cover
all the fun of apocalypse, now in regular games too!

>>52313028
Never buy used Falcons

The smell and feeling still hunts me till this day.

>>52313008
You obviously haven't been tabled by grav spam and imperial knights yet

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How should I go about gearing these units to best make use of the stacking attack buffs?

I am making this list to make use of pedro's abilities as much as possible, using some sternguard with obsec, as well as his +1 attack with the other two banners to mulch enemies in CC.

I have 220 points left, and am unsure what to do with the rest.

>>52313054
Now you have to follow up with a greentext, can't just blueball us here.

>>52313047
>not using the tanks as cover
>not understanding the fundamental concept of blitzkrieg

>>52313018
You can do that tactic with any army, I play marines and use it all the time

>>52313100
>Tabled by imperial knights

Take any kind of reasonable amount of anti-armor and they're fine. They don't have a facing more than 13 so it's easy to put glancing wounds on them especially if you can gimmick a way to fire at a facing that doesn't have their shield up. Not to mention the obvious point that they're very easy to win against in objectives, along with Wraithknights effectively being Imperial Knights but better and cheaper.

>>52313118
Some dude came in his falcon he got off of ebay.

Need help selecting my next army, buying into the marine hype from my current xenos. I'm torn between

Ultramarines
Imperial fists
Grey knights

>>52310756
I hate dicks who run grav. It's alright not to be an asshole once in awhile

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>>52312425

Can someone give me advice on how to start orks? Is the start collecting a good way to start?

>>52313054

Eldar truly do have the most extreme bandwagon/FotM swings don't they? I wouldn't be surprised if all the scatterbikes and stuff people bought up for 7E are obsolete down the road.

>>52313028
Banshee's are terrible. S3 in melee is crap. And you'll notice I said we have units to plug the gap, and also that I'm not disagreeing with you that Eldar are OP.

>>52313041
Haven't played against them yet, but I hear they are top-tier as well, so it makes sense they'd have the same attributes as us.

>>52313100
Indeed I have not, I look forward to the day.

>Sisters of Silence squads used to sell for $15-20 on ebay
>now they're $30+

God damn it. I wish I had the cash before GW release the overpriced fucking mono kit.

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>>52313150

>>52313186
Download the codex, read over it, make a list you like, then begin purchasing the essentails (HQ, 2 Troops, any other necessities to make it to 500) to your list first, which will let you run smaller to larger games. Don't buy anything else until you've built and painted what you own.

>>52313164
Join me Son of Dorn, I'm just about to start an Imperial Fist army as well.

>>52313118
>>52313054
>Buy Falcon from a guy in my local friendly store
>Very cheap too, since he is leaving the city and could not keep the models anyway.
>OK.jpg
>The seller beside having bad smell didn't look that bad
>Falcon is badly painted and dusty
>Kind of sticky, might be random soda or junk food. For how cheap it was I won't bitch
>Get home
>Check the Falcon, sweet the weapons are magnetise and so is the rear door.
>Lots of extra bits, some dry liquid in the bag, might be some paint cleaner
>Check the rear door more closely
>That stench the hell is that
>Stick my finger in
>NOPE.jpg
>Flash some light into it
>Is that?! What I think it is
>Half dry cum slurping the inside of the Falcon
>The fucker used the Falcon as a Fleshlight before selling.
>Guy is for ever gone
>That Falcon was burned and thrown into the trash.

TL:DR bought used Eldar vehicle, someone fucked it before selling it to me.

>>52312258
You have 31 points leftover. You should spend 20 of those to give the Deredeo the "War on Murder" legacy so he gets Monster Hunter and a 6" Fearless Aura. The Monster Hunter makes him vastly more deadly against FMCs, which deals with the deredeo's sole shortcoming with flyers.

Also consider giving your guardsmen sergeants a Bolter. It's a nice little upgrade that kinda rounds out the squad's firepower.

>>52313235
not the guy you are replying to, but I am also a noob I have about 800 points of IF dudes painted.

The yellow is challenging, and I get shit on in /wip/ now and then. But I love the fluff and their tactics.

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How can chaoslets even compare?

>>52313283
My cheeto-marines friend feels your pain(glove)
>>52312259

>>52313340
Oh you are the guy who played in that game, cool.

I have only been able to play one game, and it was against 2 riptides at 1k points. The guy wouldn't let me look up rules as much as I'd like.

All in all it sucked. I went down shooting though

>>52313204
Most units in the game are str 3. Banshees are actually top tier xeno melee units

>>52313359
>2 riptide at 1k points
>even taking 1 riptide at 1k points
People do this?

>>52313359
>The guy wouldn't let me look up rules as much as I'd like.
Not him, but I'd recommend having the quick reference guide printed out or on a tablet.
As the name would imply, it makes BRB checking much easier and quicker.

Also, anyone who brings 2 riptides at 1k is a massive dick

>>52310774
It's 10 to upgrade

>>52313392
>>52313395
Yeah looking back he singled me out because everyone knew I was a noob. It wasn't fun.

>>52311947

Smashfucker has never been meta.

He's cheese in the purest sense- devastating against casual/bad players, but fairly easy to play around in a competitive environment.

>>52313364
Not that guy, but in my experience running them they struggle in later rounds of combat against marines. They're reliant on number of attacks to get enough 5s to sweep through a squad.

I've been considering an exarch with the +2 Strength AP 2 two-hander as an addition to the unit. I feel like a few extra strength 5 swings will make a world of difference.

>>52310632
Space Wolves.

2 SC!
1 Terminators
2 Razorback

1500pts army right there.

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for Vs Tau tomorrow

Was that Upcoming Products seminar already?

Did they show ANYTHING worthy of note?

>>52313442

>vs tau

Smash your models with a hammer. They'll have a much better chance.

>>52313461

Isn't that where Sigmar's not!Squats come from

>>52313442
that might work.

the lootas go with the mek and grotsnik?

>>52311239
Because the stupid ass smash rule exists. They took the one thing tau was supposed to suck at, the fucking lose-state of a tau players game; melee combat, and found a way to make riptides good at it.

Are Heldrakes any good? Looking to get them for my iron warriors

>>52313486

No idiot, they're going to show off shit a year off.

>>52313489

actually planning on putting grotsnik with Nobs for more PK goodness. I might switch him for regular painboy if I want to give the FNP to lootas.

>>52313416
The T3 4+ does not help at all. They tend to get shot to shit before they get to melee, making them not much more than a brief tarpit. 1 round of shooting from almost any unit can gimp their numbers to uselessness. Scorps are way better, the armour+ stealth+ shrouded+ mandiblasters+ badass Exarch more than makes up for the lack of ap3, especially with wounds from challenges spilling over. Much as I love the REEEEshee's, Scorps are the better choice.

>>52311728
With or without formations?

With = SM

Without = eldar, tau.

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>>52313117
I attempted to put gear on things, how does this look?

Pedro in the one of the rhinos, I am not sure which one yet.

Should I drop one of the elites for another sternguard unit?

>>52313359
My first game was against a eldar player. We were supposed to make a 750pt list (all I had) he made it and I asked if he did his math correct because it looked like more than 750pts (I was considering eldar as my army so I read the book and knew the points) he got mad that I questioned him. He then stomped me, I had no chance. I went home and checked the points and he was close to 1.1k points.

>>52313127
>reasonable amount of anti-armor

Takes at least twenty BS4 meltaguns to guarantee destroying one knight a turn. If they take 5 knights you can kill one a turn. Twenty meltaguns is a lot.

The entire reason Imperial Knights is even competitive is because they skew harder than you can prevent it. If it was as simple as "take some melta guns" then nobody would play Knights.

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>>52312736

Just found the SoS rules. God damn. A full strike force with rhinos will nullify psyker dice within 27" of any of them.

>>52313557
Really? I usually have my Banshees hot combat at full strength moat of the time.

Might be because it's a somewhat more casual meta, though honestly, it's Eldar. Howling Banshees and Striking Scorpions are both great compared to what most other armies are relying on for melee.

>>52313416
Everyone gets demolished by marines in combat tho, that's their specialty. And definitely get the exarch whenever you use banshees, she kills marines on 3 and everything else on 2

>>52313599
What a dick, the only anti armor I had was my IF missile devastators. I killed his riptides, but then I got killt

>>52313510
They're very strong. Even after the nerf they're still one of the best units in the CSM codex.

>>52313610

They're better than wyches by a country mile

>>52313609
Yep. It'll run you around 300 points, but the coat of a knight titan for shutting down Tzeentch Daemon spam lists is well worth it. There's also worse ways to get that many flamers in transports, so they're hardly dead weight even if there aren't a ton of psykers.

>>52313557
This, you really do not need a lot to win most combated as most units in the game are not designed for close combat as long as you can get the exarch in alive he will munch things up.

>>52313647

Hell, a bunch of I5 S4 Ap2 attacks isn't bad either.

>>52313609
Anything about the points cost? I kinda want them, idslike psykers entirely and my LGS has a 20% discount on the squad. Just need to know if and how I could reasonably ally them to my Space Marines.

>>52313614
Well, it usually ends up I kill half of them on the charge, then subsequent rounds I just steadily lose models while struggling to pick off the rest.

I'll definitely go for the exarch next chance I get.

>>52313535
eh i dunno. its just 3 dudes so they can get taken out real quick.

maybe get rid of 2 powerklaws in the nob unit to get some extra bodies?

>>52313340
So how did you do your yellow marines? I'm worried about starting them since I don't want them to look like shit. I want to get an airbrush to make it easier, but that won't happen until summer.

>>52313628
To be fair, I'm pretty sure even Storm Guardians are better than witches.

>>52310770
>Grey Knights
>Not the easiest to paint

What? You literally just need to drybrush them silver and then colour in a few bits of cloth and paper. Only necrons come close in terms of being easy as fuck to paint.

>>52311579
Dakkajet throws out a lot of shots, but it can be difficult to get it into a position where it can use all it's guns and S6 isn't really adequate against vehicles. Still, BS 3, twin-linked isn't bad for orks and it's relatively cheap.

Burna bomma is very situational. Great if facing an enemy with 4+ or worse saves, weak otherwise.

Blitza bomma is almost always useful. It's easy to land a hit with it and most armies have a unit which is worth dropping one of their bombs on.

Blastajet has some nice guns, but suffers similar issues to the dakkajet in terms of lining up shots, is useless as anti-air and costs a lot of points.

Overall, either the blitza bomma or the dakkajet are acceptable choices.

>>52313697
prime white > base averland sunset > seraphim sepia wash > layer yriel yellow > highlight dorn yellow

>>52313235
I would but I have no idea how to start! The start collecting box seems really meh, can fists take librarians?

>>52313675
Not positive, but I believe a squad in a Rhino will run close to 120 points. Depends on the exact weapons, but they're surprisingly cheap

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>>52313675

Looks like 65 or 75. The left one comes with bolters and gets flamers, the right is great blades.

The rhinos is 45pts with the Abomination rules

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List I'm thinking about bringing to the LGS friday night, will probably have to fight Grey knights.

Herald on steed gets Eternal blade
Herald #1 on foot gets Portalglyph
Herald #2 gets Grimore
Herald #3 gets a Greater etherblade and a lesser blade for the extra Ap2 attack.

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>>52313754
>>52313609

And here's the Rhino to finish it. This is all I've seen. Not sure if they have warlord traits like Custodes.

>>52313442
F

>>52313186
if you plan using current codex, don't get too many boyz, 40 or less is enough. Why? Simply because they don't do well in larger games(or rather do like pure shit). Grots are far better.
Mek Gunz are glorious, kitbash them(trukk+mek_gunz for example), because they are way to pricey.
Kitbash what you can in general.
Tankbustaz are good too. I'd rather not buy finecast models though.
Umm, what else? Ah, start collecting! orkz is pretty nice, you get painboy and few boyz. Nobz and deff dread are pretty bad in the game, but it will work in smaller games just fine.

>>52313768

Confirmed there is also a flamer squad. So you get bolters, flamers, or great blades.

>>52311652
>Do the rumours of new guards models have any foundation or are they Plastic Sisters™-tier?

Mostly wishful thinking.

>Need something to make 30k Auxilia out of, Cadians don't look gothic enough.

How do you feel about third party models and resin? Anvil industry make some excellent gothic dudes. If you want plastic, then your choices are rather limited; wargames factory stormtroopers... and that's basically it, unless you are willing to do a fair bit of conversion work.

>>52313754
So, instead of the incredibly good sword being a free upgrade, it now actually gives you a discount?

>>52313186
the following units are actually good.

lootas, tankbustas, meganobz, looted wagons, painboys, big meks, mekgunz, warbikes, grots (as a troop tax).

build an army out of that. win maybe 50% of the time.

>>52313863
I don't have an issue with them, but the only place to play locally is the GW shop unfortunately.

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>We are aware that you may, in all likelihood, wish for a memento of the day you were deployed alongside one of the Emperor’s finest in battle to show your grandchildren**, but please stop posing next to them for picts. To satisfy this need, we have provided an inspirational poster for your regimental barracks. (Note: It is not advisable to ask a Custodian Guard to sign your poster.)

>>52313442
Is there a way for Orks to get outflank for units like the IG warlord table? If orks could get that same "D3 units outflank" ability, the Tau would be hella-screwed.

>2 Hordes of 20 boys outflank right into a Tau gunline

>>52313731
The only chapter that can't take Librarians are the chapter Dorn himself hated, the Black Templars. Lore-wise, no one knows why they can't take any, some suspect it's a gene-seed flaw, others believe it has something to do with their lost Librarius, as some sort of superstitious curse placed upon them, and with it a large portion of their chapter history and knowledge.

That's paraphrased from the 7e codex, iirc.

>>52313888

Lootas are kind of redundant with the new mek gunz.

Grots are genuinely quite good for their cost, not just as a way of filling compulsory troop slots up. They are one of the cheapest methods in the game for holding an objective, can actually out-shoot a lot of units at close range, are difficult to wipe out with blast weapons due to the sheer size of the unit and have better morale than orks so long as there is a runtherd with a squighound in the unit.

>>52313957

Yeah using Mogrok's formation

Its expensive, about 500-600pts but worth it. Also gives you Seize Initiative on 5+

>>52313957
>2 Hordes of 20 boys outflank right into a Tau gunline
>2 Hordes of 20 boys get shot to death by pulse rifles in rapid fire-range with markerlights

Granted, it would be a cheaper and more effective distraction than driving them forward in trukks

>>52313906
What the fuck happened to that guardsman's face?!

>>52313994
Cool as bt are I didn't pick precisely because dorn is way fucking cooler
But nice that I can take librariAns.

So two of the armored assault boxes, terminators and vehicles are my buy list Yea?

>>52313710
I really want to take two of the Ork flyers in 1500 casual ganes, but I dunno if this is fair or not. I'm undecided between 2 Blitza-Bommers, 1 Blitza-Bommer and fully upgraded Dakkajet, or 2 Dakkajets. Of the two flyers, they seem the most useful and look the coolest, and like you've said, are the most useful generally as well.

>tfw taking Da Finkin' Kap instead of the Lucky Stikk because theming my army around Blood Axes invading Armageddon sounds like a lot of fun, and having a Taktikal Genius lead them sounds hilarious
>also it saves points
Also, I just realized the Night Fighting rules last for the whole game.

>>52313603
To be fair Imperial Knights are nowhere near as point efficient or effective as a Wraithknight, and they need serious improvements if they want to compete with a Jump Gargantuan Creature with Toughness 8 3+/5++

>>52313957
Yes, the Strategic Trait table in the main rulebook has the Master of Ambush trait, which gives three units plus your warlord the Infiltrate rule.

Orks have a relic called Da Finkin Kap which gives you an extra Strategic Trait. They also have little reason not to take a Combined Arms Detachment which lets you re-roll your trait.

Overall, this means an ork army can have about a 44% chance of getting the specific strategic trait you want.

>>52312484
Continuing from what this anon asked, what armies would you use for intro games?
Marines vs Chaos for symmetry?

>>52314019
hes jewish

even in 40k they plague us

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>>52313957
The rulebook Warlord Traits are always forgotten.

Infiltrating Warlord+3 units is much better than D3 units, since Infiltrate grants Outflank.

>>52314014
If you outflank and charge, he won't be able to apply markerlights to the unit. Unless units can't charge after coming on from reserves (As an IG, my units only outflank in tank-shocking chimeras to prevent "Infantry cockblocks". As such that rule could never effect me).

>>52313266

How small was the dudes dick if he's using that? I'm trying not to picture it, but I keep thinking of the damn model, and how I know the internals of GW tanks are made. I almost want to feel bad for him, but I can't because that's fucking vile.

>>52313995
sure mek gunz are probably better than lootas but lootas are much cheaper money wise.

and its not like lootas are shit. they are 7/10, mek gunz 9/10.

>>52314069
>I really want to take two of the Ork flyers in 1500 casual ganes, but I dunno if this is fair or not.
Unless you're playing the most casual of casual opponents with deliberately crippled lists, ork flyers are not going to be overpowered.

Hey Tg, I'm new to kill team so i would like some advice. Here is my current Imperial Guard list, what do you think?

X1 – Ratling snipers – 30

- Weapon Specialist – Expert Shot - +1 Ballistic.
- 3 Snipers

X1 – Armored Sentinel Scout – 40

- 1 Scout
- Dirty Fighter – Soul Blaze – On a wounded model, end of each turn, roll 1d6, on 4+, 1D3 S4 AP5 hits, otherwise, end Soul Ablaze.

X1 – Platoon Comander squad – 30

- 4 Men
- 1 Commander – Guerrilla Specialist – Preferred enemy – Reroll to hit/wound on 1


X1 – Infantry squad – 50

- 9 Men
- 1 Sargent (Leader)

X1 - Taurox – 50

- 1 Taurox


- 200 Pt