Horus Heresy General /HHG/

>>52289690
Thanks you.
First for the DG tho

word bearers a shit

>>52289690
Don't talk bad about hawk boy. He died for your sins.

not that emps cares, he would have rather called him Number Nine

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>>52289785
>hardly does anything until the end of the HH
>everything he does do is beating up "Le very best greater deamon of whatever #1-3" (and apparently a psi titan now)
>people jack him off as the best priamrch even if they dont play blood angels
>other priamrchs get shit for being sues but he gets a pass

literally one of the worst priamrchs

>>52289785
But I think Number Nine was His favourite

Are splinter shells worth it on quad mortars?

>>52289818
>hardly does anything
Let's wait until Angelus before making remarks like that, eh?

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>>52289818
If your Primarch isn't named "Jagathai" or "Dorn", then he ain't got shit on Sanguinius.
Especially because he was on Ultramar and crossed hell (twice) to reach Terra, so Robert and Johnson have no excuse.

If you want to, don't say he's the best. Just say there are other 15+ who are worse than him.

>>52289838
>Quad Launcher Support Batteries became more expensive, but gained access to several extra munitions besides their Frag shells with Shell Shock for increased chance of Pinning: good old Shatter shells to deal with medium AV with their four S8 Sunder shots, Incendiary Shells that are weaker frag shells that Ignore Cover Saves, Splinter Shells with S2 AP4 Rending, because FW apparently thinks small blasts that wound on a six cost +10pts (even Frag shells have a higher chance of wounding termies). But the mort powerful munitions they have access to are Phosphex canister shots, available if you have a Siege Breaker in your force. Unlike regular phosphex however these munitions are only AP3, but otherwise still function as regular phosphex ammo and are superb marine woodchippers.
Not really, no

>>52289818
>t. Traitor

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>>52289690
Hmm that is a nice set of armor

>>52289854
>If your Primarch isn't named "Jagathai" or "Dorn", then he ain't got shit on Sanguinius.
>dorn
>khan

niga what

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>>52289951
Well I'll be going, what a wonderful gift.

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>>52289969
NO

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>>52289963
I would place them below Sanguinius, but the Angel, weeping, told me he'd much prefer sharing Numbered Mistake #1 with his beloved brothers: Dorn of the Mighty Handshakes and Jagathai of the Bantz.
Even if he did fight Horus where his brothers didn't, he recognizes the labour done by Dorn's fortification and Jagathai's tenacity when taking the Spaceport
Such was the Angel's will.

>>52289951
>>52289969
You, I like you.

>>52290014
>dorn
>khan
>good at anything but shooting their own men and making dumb choices

"But muh siege"

all they're good for is being living plot armor for the imperium

>>52290051
>all they're good for is being living plot armor for the imperium
And that's what the Imperium needs. Even if you're not the best, being useful already sets you far above those who aren't.

>>52290051
That's a lot of projection, Pertuarbo.

>>52289838
If you have limited access to other medium win-armor options they can be, like recon company for example, or if you need a decent multi role unit in smaller points games

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Why do we not have a Pirate Primarch? I guess the closest thing in 30k to Pirates is Blackshields.

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>>52290098
This may have started as an argument about the Primarchs' character flaws and individual contributions...
BUT IT'S A SIEGE NOW, UNTIL THE BITTER END :^)

>>52290150
Because they all work for the "man?"

Also the only primarch that could've been a pirate, Khan, stayed loyal.

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>>52289713
I approve.

>>52290150
Implying that isn't basically corax with how much of the heresy he spent curb stomping traitor shipping.

Stylistically one might have been interesting, but it would not have fit very well when you consider that piracy is nearly entirely based on personal freedom and abandonment of higher authority.

>>52290179
shame they went Nurgle, their pre-nurgle aesthetic was more unique and interesting. Also the use of toxic weaponry rather than just space flus.

>>52290179
I have that pic saved, but I would like it more if the marines weren't bigger than Mortarion, who is closer to the observer

All this talk about Sanguinius, what about the First?
What do you guys think his rules will be like? Something about dealing Instant Death or multiple wounds maybe, because of his Monster Slayer origin?

>>52290260
Probably something similar to Fulgrim. A little slower, but Instant Death on 4+.

>>52290260
Concussive for the sucker punch.

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>>52290295
>A little slower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyr2qzeLMTY
LION PAWWWNCH!
>Primarch El'Jonson!

>>52289690
Does anyone have the Alpha Legion painting guide?

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>>52290240
They're only like a step behind him. Mortarion's clearly still bigger.

>>52290366
The BoP one? I do, but it's an awful scheme.

>>52290407
Hm yeah thats not so great looking. Thank you anyways though!There was another one floating around that I think another anon made it was very metallic looking.

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>>52290437
I know of this one.

Official List Of Legions That Did Nothing Wrong
>Blood Angels
>Imperial Fists
Debate me.

>>52290446
Oh that isnt the one I was thinking of but its very close, thank you

>>52289963
Not that anon, but Jaghatai would be be top 5 Primarch 1v1.

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Speculation for new Dangel rules?

I'm hoping some kind of sword wielding Knight unit, maybe watchers as upgrades? Corswain's a must and obvs the Lion.

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My ghetto Custodes conversion.

It's only basecoat WIP at the moment and its only going to be tabletop quality.

>>52290509
T H I C C

>>52290509
Hedious

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>>52290509
Cool.

>>52290509
you have spent a lot of money to ruin a model

>>52290150
Wasn't Alpharius literally a space pirate before the Emperor found him?

>>52290509
Burn it
then kill yourself

>>52290552
That account is a lie

Okay, I'm starting to get interested in Solar Auxilia, is this list playable? Or should I drop some Ogryns/drop the demolisher cannons for more dedicated AT?

>Do we have enough Blasts?: 3k Solar Auxilia starter list

Tank Commander
>Auxilia Medusa, Dozer Blade

>Infantry Tercio
Lasrifle Section
Veletaris Storm Section (x2)
Dracosan Armored Transports (x2)
>Demolisher Cannon, Dozer Blade

>Infantry Tercio
Lasrifle Section
Veletaris Storm Section (x2)
Dracosan Armored Transports (x2)
>Demolisher Cannon, Dozer Blade

Ogryn Charonite Squad
>3 Ogryns
Ogryn Charonite Squad
>3 Ogryns

Auxilia Medusa
>Dozer Blade
Auxilia Medusa
>Dozer Blade
Auxilia Medusa
>Dozer Blade

Auxilia Stormlord
>Armored Ceramite

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>>52290339
>Loyalty is its own reward.

>>52290509
it would look better if you thinned your paints

>>52290466
Salamanders. I'd say Iron Hands too if it weren't for Ferrus getting 2angry on Istvaan V.

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>>52290233
I agree completely to be honest.

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Hey guys, can I get a list check? I want a White Scars list that's relatively quick, but working independently from spacecraft or a home base so no drop pods or flyers. Tried to spend plenty of points on non-bike units; the two vet squads are objective holders, the guys with flamers (straight outta Chondax) go for forward objectives, missile launcher guys try to shoot down planes. But I think I need to work some lascannons into the list.

White Scars (3000pts)
RoW: Chogorian Brotherhood

+ HQ +

Praetor on Bike (225pts)
>Cyber-hawk, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Melta Bombs, Plasma Pistol, Mastercrafted Power Glaive

+ Elites +

Veteran Tactical Squad, 10-man (220pts)
>Sergeant has Artificer Armour and Power Glaive
>Rhino

Veteran Tactical Squad, 10-man (220pts)
>Sergeant has Artificer Armour and Power Glaive
>Rhino

+ Troops +

Outrider Squad, 6 bikes (235pts)
>2 power weapons, Sergeant has Melta Bombs, Power Glaive

Outrider Squad, 6 bikes (235pts)
>2 power weapons, Sergeant has Melta Bombs, Power Glaive

Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron, 6 jetbikes (260pts)
>2 Volkite Culverins

Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron, 6 jetbikes (260pts)
>2 Volkite Culverins

Tactical Support Squad w/ flamers, 10 man (270pts)
>Sergeant has Artificer Armour, Plasma Pistol, Power Glaive
>Rhino

+ Fast Attack +

Attack Bike Squadron, 4 bikes (225pts)
>4 Multi-Meltas, Melta Bombs
>Bike Praetor goes with these guys

Javelin Attack Speeder (65pts)
>Multi-melta, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher

Javelin Attack Speeder (65pts)
>Multi-melta, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher

+ Heavy Support +

Heavy Support Squad w/ missile launchers, 9 man (345pts)
>Flakk missiles
>Rhino

Sicaran Battle Tank (185pts)
>Heavy Bolter Sponsons

Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer (190pts)

>>52290509
Cool idea, but dunno the shield is too small.

>>52290466
Honest question, what did the Scars do that was wrong?

>>52290509
Are the Custodes dreads bigger than the contemptor dreads?

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Cuckstodes reporting in.

>>52290706
go slap a kid or something

>>52290658
Have you considered Nuncio Voxes on the vets? I know that you can outflank but since so much of your anti tank is coming from multi meltas I think it might be worth a consideration. You can easily find the points by dropping plasma pistols.

>>52290671
A full 1/2 of them declared for Horus.

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What's on your workbench today /hhg/?
Just gave these guys a drybrush for metallics, next up cleaning, layering the armour and weathering.

>>52290706
don't you have a high lord to suck off?

>>52290756
Didn't all of them go "oh shit, we made a mistake" and went on a penintent march afterwards?

I got the feeling that WSs just were hit by the telephone game

>>52290768
Assembling my first ever Imperial Knight, or as far as I can before magnetizing it. Some of the parts have pretty janky fits, like those pelvis plates that go on the side and can't be made to fit exactly. How are those meant to work?

>>52289818
To be fair though, most of the loyalist primarchs are sue as fuck.

>>52290768
Nothing today because I'm playing.

Some kid wants to play me and he's starting out so it's not really a game. But it's my first game in 16 years, so I'll take it.

>>52290339
Can't wait to have this one translated in French.
>>52290492
I expect :
A special unit with artificier armor with swords
Plasma canon for terminators
A unit dedicated to blow up big targets (you know like beasts)

>>52290768
TF is with those legs?

>>52290792
>implying every priamrch isnt a sue

>>52290874
>half of the primarchs are defined by massive, irredeemable character flaws
>sues
Now you're just throwing around buzzwords.

>>52290896
those massive character flaws don't prevent them from doing anything they want

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>>52290825

>>52290874

>khans defining feature is that he's an exemplary yet ordinary warlord who is closer to being human than any other Primarch and essentially denies his demigodhood, preferring his chogorian culture to the emperors vision for him

Not even sure where he is on the Sue/10, on one hand he's still a Primarch but on the other he above any of the others seems to have embraced his humanity in a positive manner.

>>52290509
the FW dreads aren't even that expensive, have you saved any money at all?

>>52290737
Good idea! Yeah, I'll work them in.

>>52290966
Apparently Guilliman is the most human. New fluff.

>>52291003
What new fluff is that?

>>52290966
>>52291003
>khans defining feature is that he's an exemplary yet ordinary warlord who is closer to being human than any other Primarch
>Apparently Guilliman is the most human. New fluff.

Silly loyalists

+He is no primarch,+ came Argel Tal’s voice in Khârn’s mind. The centurion’s first instinct was to shudder. The Nails bit harder, hotter, in the wake of the psychic whisper; they hurt more every time. Khârn looked back to his brother, where Argel Tal was directing his own men into their own gunships and drop pods.
He is my primarch, Khârn replied, with no idea if Argel Tal could hear him. Sometimes the silent speech worked, sometimes it didn’t.
+A primarch should be inspiring. Our genetics should react at the mere sight of them. Think of the moments you laid eyes on Horus, Dorn, or Magnus. I’ve seen Sanguinius and Russ with my own eyes, as well. Close enough to touch their armour. Think of when you stand before Lorgar: the awe and reverence that beats through your blood. The feeling of our genetic coding reacting to the pinnacle of the human process. I’ve never felt that instinctive respect for Angron, Khârn. Not once. He is a broken thing. Devastating, unrivalled in war, but broken.+
Khârn didn’t answer because there was nothing to say. He boarded his drop pod, ascending the ramp and waiting for a robed Legion slave to secure his restraint harness.
+You feel it,+ Argel Tal said. +You feel it, too.+
In psychic silence, Khârn confessed something he’d never said outside his Legion.
Yes, we feel the same. The World Eaters, each and every one of us, knows what you know.
Argel Tal’s voice was laced with cold, seething anger. +Why do you tolerate it?+
What can we do? Murder our own father? Did you destroy Lorgar when he led you into worshipping the Emperor? Or did you tolerate him in patience, hoping that eventually he’d find his way to equalling his brothers?

>>52290658

Not too bad, all your infantry will have outflank but don't necessarily feel obligated to use it on every unit.

The cyberhawk will make those vets and missile devastators hit like nobodies business

>>52291003
>most human

what does that even mean? The Emperor is invincible, more powerful than any other galactic entity and probably 9ft tall and still counts as human.

>>52290896
Anything other than WS/BS/S/T 3 is a sue.

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Finished some tacticals.

>>52290509
Conversion idea : 7/10
Paint thinness : 0.5/10

Give that thing a dettol bath and try again.

>>52290509
golden turd

>>52290939
thats the problem with "truescale" the proportions always get skewed

>>52290756
Oh riiiight... I always forget.
Was that in the earlier lore as well?

>>52290815
>Can't wait to have this one translated in French
Why? I like to read the stuff in the original language aka High Gothic . Not in a hurry to read about the Ángeles Oscuros fighting Señores de la Noche.

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>>52291053
>The Emperor is invincible, more powerful than any other galactic entity and probably 9ft tall and still counts as human.
Listen, I love the Emperor as in His wisdom as in His ruthlessness...but even I tell you this: Our Undying Lord may look and know how to human, but the only human aspect about Him is that He can make mistakes too.

>>52290811
Well, you want some (You)s or what? Tell us about the armies m8!

>>52290339
Where is that pic from? Angels of Caliban?

>>52291291
GW and BL never translated Dark Angels or anything in french, they tend to leave the unit and faction names in english, it's fugly. I think about buying the books in english.

Silly things to do with the Mechanicum LoW boxout? I heard some guy's making a Manta, someone else suggested D-99 Valkyries to Drop Pod Assault some dicks with Myrmidons, what else can we steal? I mean, every flyer or Superheavy flyer ever, alpha legion ain't got shit on this. Gargantuan Creatures are allowed too. Big Tyranid flyer for a Biologis Magos' personal project?

>>52290591
Tank Commander cannot be Compulsory. See 'Support Officer' rule. He also can't be in a Medusa (not on the list of options).

Dozer Blades are useless on our tanks, as we all have Explorator Adaption from the get go.

What are the Ogryn going to be doing? Their Stormlord transport often wants to stay put for more shots, and these guys want to get close... Better off with a Squad of 6 then 2x3 for points reasons.

Medusa - Lose the Dozers

Stormlord wants Sponsons

Do you not face flyers at all where you play? Like, 0? Cause even 1 is basically immune to most of your list.

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>>52291634
>Big Tyranid flyer for a Biologis Magos' personal project?
Don't give him ideas!

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>>52291634
This, but mechanicum-y rather than ork-y.

>>52290150
Curze and his boys were essentially space pirates just be isstvan then became literal space pirates after getting curb stomped by the dangles

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>>52291431
Eh, it's just some TS vs Blood Angels???. I'm testing out from Chosen Duty for my small noob vs noob game, and I'm hoping to actually play a second game with this. Purely theoretical for now and likely terrible, but no one is running ironfire or armoured breakthroughs right now.

2500pts/2500 Pride of the Legion
Cult Arcana Corvidae Ahzek Ahriman

Cult Arcana Raptora Legion Primus Medicae Consul
Tartaros Terminator Armour
1 Psychic Mastery (Biomancy?)
Force Axe

10 men Cult Arcana Raptora Sekhmet Terminator Cabal
2 chain fists

Legion Mortis Dreadnought
Two twin-linked auto cannon

10men Cult Arcana Corvidae Legion Veteran Tactical Squad
Sergeant Power Fist, Artificer armour
Asphyx Shells
1 Psychic Mastery
Rhino

10men Cult Arcana Corvidae Legion Veteran Tactical Squad
Sergeant lightning claw, Sergeant Artificer armour
Asphyx Shells
1 Psychic Mastery
Rhino

10men Cult Arcana Corvidae Legion tactical support squad
9 melta guns
Sergeant Power fist, artificer armour
Rhino

10men Cult Arcana Corvidae Legion tactical support squad
10 plasma guns
Sergeant artificer armour
Rhino
I know people are sick of TS theories and my camera is shit so I don't post much.

did the fucking retards finally admit that cuckchodes are gamebreaking?

>>52291779
Are they? They seem appropriately priced.

>>52291432
Savage Weapons short, ADB

>>52291796
Other than those rerollable 3++ dudes.

>>52291796
What about the Tribune?

>>52291773
>Cult Arcana
>Cult Arcana
>Cult Arcana
>Cult Arcana
Thanks, Obattlescribema.

>>52291796
you seem appropriately retarded.

>>52291833
it's Cult Arcana: hand written.

>>52291779
They're not more game breaking than Legio Cybernetica.

Its your own fault if you lose the game vs Custodes, I mean they have like 2-3 objective grabbers and you outnumber them 2:1 so there's really no excuse not to grab more objectives than they can contest.

>>52291856
You seem inappropriately hostile/buttmad/confused

Stop trying to fight them in melee. They got no assault vehicles and too few units to score. Just play the objective game.

Also tank shock often to herd them away/remove them automatically.

>>52291899
>reddit spacing
definitely retarded.

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>>52291091

>>52291899
>>52291931
Shhh. Balance isn't flawless, nothing is going to change, this is the tipping point where you end up shitting a thread and calling each other reddits

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>>52291091
Anon, because you generate so many marines that quickly I'm going to call you Grabiyanon

>>52291980
It's only one guy who's obviously butt hurt because his assault marines got killed by dudes with superior stats.

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>>52292015
>Grabiy
What?

>>52292023
You say they're butthurt words. Then treat them as such, rather than taking them seriously and getting triggered.
Personally, I wouldn't call someone who can beat primarchs for about a LR's cost a "Paragon of balance", but that's just me.

>>52290788

A few ships actually escaped and presumably joined the traitors. Most of them stayed when it was clear that the Khan wasn't joining Horus - they thought he would. He might've, too, if he hadn't found Magnus's shard to talk to and find out about Horus's corruption.

The Khan killed the ones who had sworn a blood oath to Horus after they refused to break it. Wasn't many, but it included a lot of khans (company leaders). The rest were told to go away and do do something useful in the process of getting themselves killed. Was it half? Seems like it can't have been that many, but going back through the novels I don't see a firm number.

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>gorgon terminator bare head would be perfect for my master of signal conversion
>no one on ebay is selling it

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>>52292030
The one who enabled mass induction of marines.

>>52292023
nah youre just a fucking retard.

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>>52292097
Leave him headless, call him Little Ferrus Ironhand :^) !

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>>52291634
>>52291663

Someone remembered my mad ramblings? I'm flattered.

And I did think of something like a Harridan or Heirophant, and maybe I'd use the latter if I ever made a giant Mechanicum crawler or something, but they're allowed via a different section of the boxout, so they'd have to be Imperial. Sadly, noone has yet domesticated any Tyranids for me to pattern my madness off :(.

On the upside, I've discovered that the sides of a Knight would make for excellent Railgun (Glaive Volkite carronade, but Heavy Railgun stats) mounts, since the curve on them lets me easily fit them into the gun bays. Just need to make a socket for the square railgun rather than the circular Knight shoulders.

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>>52292310
but I don't even play Iron Hands

>>52291980
This man is wise.

>>52291091
What's the basing recipie there?

On a similar note, been trying to figure out a good basing scheme for my Raven Guard and mechanicum that works well with Black or Grey armors, that doesn't pull attention too hard off the model

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>>52292325
>Sadly, noone has yet domesticated any Tyranids for me to pattern my madness off :(
My soul rests at ease
>On the upside, I've discovered that the sides of a Knight would make for excellent Railgun mounts
Then tension fills it again.

>>52292070
Just treat it like Scoria/Sigismund and back away. People need to stop focusing on what they can do and start focusing on what they can't do.

>>52292377
:
^
)
I wish that series would continue, maybe as much as you wish you had that head. What legion? Tell me about that Master of Signals

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>>52292381
glue this

prime white

tuskgor fur+agrax wash

glue grass

>>52292389
>not wanting to see Magos Crazy Eyes's finished product
What are you, a loyalist?

>>52292434
Death Guard. I want to make an old guy with lots of bionics using IH MkIII bionic legs and the auspex from the IH MkIII kit. And the head.

>>52292389
Am I that bad? Slowly collecting bits and ideas, once I'm done with painting my 40kmech I'll have about £150 to blow on toys straight up, which should either get me the framework of the Filiketos MK2 or enough kits for a decent groundbound force. Six Castys, couple Magi and Thallax cohorts. It's so hard to resist the temptation to be sensible.

>>52292450

>Magos Crazy Eyes
Thanks. I like that name, I think I'll keep it. Not here, obviously, because 4chan, but I need something to put in the "Project start/end" notes. Currently looking for suitable deckplates for the top, lots in the GW terrain but it's all very particular shapes.

Smooth curve or geometrical shape on the airship/deck outline, do you think? Making a couple concept sketches with my utterly terrible drawing skills. Science doesn't have much need for those.

>>52292595
>Am I that bad?
Nah, I did have you the Filiketos after all. I'm just a Reductor reacting to a Genetor's work ethics, that's all.

>>52292926
Hah. Can I appease you with the thought of deepstriking a squadron of three Vindicators and a Macrocarid? And then enough extra firepower to clear out literally anything that wants to flank them?
Patterns Of Force become more fun with voidship drop pods.

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>>52292979
Ain't no kill like overkill :^)

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>>52292015
that fucking image

>>52293084
Sadly, my foes have no deepstriking fortifications to aid them in kind.
Why aren't those a thing? Just a Aegis line Quadgun or Lascannon, or a Tarantula in a mini drop pod, rain them down where you need support. Pod then doubles as a bunker for the rest of the squad.

Honestly, the Manta will probably spend more time as terrain than on the table.

>>52293400
>or a Tarantula in a mini drop pod
You can deepstrike those as SA/IM, I think, and Castellums & Aegis lines are said to be capable of being airlifted to position.
Too bad forts as such cannot deepstrike in game. I'd love me some assault Castellums

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>>52293452
I think the Mech can also drop in Tarantulas, I was thinking that it would have a mini Bastion attatched, just for lols.

Alternate Arvus Lighter carry option, like the automata ones, for an Aegis line with one of the weapons/Ammo dump/reserves relay? Fly in, then instead of disembarking move the Arvus within a 6" radius circle of the starting position in whatever directions you like, leaving segments of line/the gun wherever you pass over? Wouldn't be very meta. but dropping a line over the Plasma Supps that just got blasted out their Rhino would look cool as hell.

>>52293452
Mechanicum Upgrades, just teleport the damn things down from the barges, no living matter to mess with the transfer either.

You'd think the Imperial Fists would have figured out how to use the monstrous teleport arrays on the Phalanx to just teleport their troops along with fortifications into ready made fortified positions.

How would you improve this list? I'm working towards it atm, I have most of the infantry and a few vehicles. Ferrus, the 3 terminators, and the forge lord can all fit in the land raider. Forge lord can pop out to repair stuff, or can join in on whatever's happening with 4 axe swings and a power fist.

Head of the Gorgon
HQ:
Forge Lord, power axe, refractor field, cyber familiar (125 pts)

Elites:
Contemptor-Cortus, kheres assault cannon + CCW (150)
Contemptor-mortis, 2x kheres assault cannons (180)
2 quad launchers with shatter shells (140)
5 man vet squad with marksman. 5 combi plasmas, sgt has artificer armor. (170)

Troops:
3 10-man tactical squads in multimelta rhinos. Each sgt has a combi plasma and artificer armor. (195 x3)
5 man tactical support squad, plasmaguns, sgt has artificer armor (235)

Heavy Support:
Sicaran battletank with autocannon and lascannon sponsons (205)
Sicaran venator (190)
Vindicator (120)

Fortification
Aegis with Comms Relay (70)

Lord of War
Ferrus Manus(455)
Terminator command squad (Tartaros armor, 2 power axes, 1 power fist) (125)
Land Raider Phobos, extra armor, armored ceramite (250)

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Got a BoP box in a trade for some shit I no longer use, built these guys as an allied detach but I don't see myself using them often. 1 shield cap, 4 sentinel guard

The Tartaros will be helpful for deliverer squads, and the Mark IIIs are mostly getting turned into a pair of breacher squads for Zone Mortalis.

Anyone used the shapeways shields and can give an opinion or useful tips on fitting them to the Mk III? (No hand version)

>>52294043
Rhinos for the vets and tactical supports are probably a good idea. 5 dudes with expensive weapons tend to be gunned down in short order. Remember, you don't *have* to outflank your tanks in that rite, they can start on the table keeping your infantry safe.

Maybe stick a chainfist in the terminator command squad. Ferrus is better than most at dealing with unexpected dreadnoughts in melee, but it doesn't hurt to be sure.

Can you fit Castrman Orth in? Orth in a sicaran venator is a fucking war crime on wheels. Treads. Whatever.

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Aside from MLP stuffs, how do you paint creamy white like that in the picture? It looks pretty good.

Ok now inferno is out does anyone have any scans? How are wolves? How are thousand sons? Is russ powerful? Sorry for the noob questions been away for a couple of months.

>>52294308
airbrush.

>>52294308
Why are so many MLP fans such technically good painters? I've never seen an MLP themed 40k model with thick paints or just general sloppiness.

>>52294248
Yeah the tactical support also has a rhino with multimelta, forgot to list it.

The vets I was going to have outflank on foot.

To get Orth I'd need to drop the forge lord probably.

>>52294317
I don't like you.

>>52294354
Because the ones that aren't get BTFO. Horse fuckery is only acceptable as a showcase for technical skill

>>52294500
Plz Don't make me go ask leddit

>>52294593
Here it is

_______Have you checked the OP?_______________________________________

>>52294593
Yes, there are scans. Wolves are mid tier. Thousands sons are pretty powerful. Leman Russ beats everyone except Scoria. Magnus is a barrel of cheese.

What do you consider as the best RoW and why?
> no Guard of the Crimson King

>>52294780
Guard of the Crimson King

>>52294043
Anyway, the reason I have the forge lord is I'm using my Iron Father model for him. I'm using him as Autek Mor in lower points games as my HQ. I figured that here it'd be nice to have a model without bulky to fit into the command squad to take that last slot up. I could definitely just get Orth though as my HQ, giving me back 45 points I can use to invest in a chainfist or two, maybe a havoc launcher for my cortus, and some other bits and bobs like meltabombs and dozer blades. Putting him in the venator does sound hilarious, 2d6 take highest with a reroll for pen.

Money and access to models/conversion/painting is no object -- describe your dream badass 30K army in one sentence.

>>52294844
Just as planned.

>>52294844
Candy Red terminators and contemptors

>>52294844
Full custodes force with converted termies or full ts force with castellax.

>>52294844
Titan maniple, one of every Magos/Archmagos, enough infantry and myrmidons in Triaros and Macrocarids to fill the Mechta to the brim, artillery tanks and flyers, all behind fortifications in a custom Genetor base.

>>52294675
Thank you. Glad Russ is powerful

>>52294780
Maru Skara: You can have your entire army in your enemy's face by turn 2 if you use Fulgrim, if not then having all your killier bits show up turn 2 is still very strong. Essentially better than any drop pod armies.

Ironfire: Its a better gunline that pushes your troops forward so you're not as susceptible to getting fucked up by drop pod lists but you're still weak to them. Precise artillery out the ass will always be good.

Drop Assault Vanguard: Same reason as Maru Skara, getting the majority of your dudes into a place where and when you want them to be is priceless, the added protection is just icing on the cake.

Ravenwing: Better, killier, scoring Jetbikes? Can potentially be great.

Armored Breakthrough: Your troops are immune to infantry and kill tanks, everything's fast and you basically get extra heavy support slots. It can also make the game into a binary situation where you most likely will lose if your opponent brings enough anti-tank but if he doesnt then you will probably win.

>>52294844
Like 100 breachers and guys in mark 3, somehow customised to be a boarding party

>>52294780
Best is probably POTL, (it just does so much, and can enable a lot of different builds,) but as that's GOTCK in another guise I'll go with the BA Day Of Revelation rite. It's both damn fluffy - this is what the bangles do - and has some solid rules. Does perhaps tend toward a monobuild due to the limited number of jump pack options in the game at the moment, however.

>>52294780
Chogorian Brotherhood.

>>52294844
Chogorian Brotherhood.

>>52294844
White Scars, Chogorian Brotherhood, aerial assault list:

Lots of jetbikes supported by Javelins and Fire Raptors, with a Sokar-pattern Stormbird carrying 5 outriders and a Rhino with a heavy support squad inside.

>>52295006
Personally I really dislike POTL since the nerfs. Needing to have more troops than tanks is managable, but giving away 2 VP when all your veterans and/or terminators die is ... rough. That's like a free objective, and means your veterans are covered in bullseyes in kill missions.

>>52295081
Are you really going to win a game if you've lost all your veterans and termies?

>>52294844
Company of Bitter Iron, as many immortals as I can fit on the table.

>>52295110
Unless you spammed all 6 troop slots, it can be a close game you lose because of it.

Maybe there are just too many quad mortars in the meta here ...

>>52295118
Also I guess they all have spartan tanks or something

>>52294844
Ahriman's Wild Ride

>>52294844
WRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYY

>>52295187
Company of bitter dust?

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So who does flamers and plenty of infantry better in HH, Salamanders or Death Guard ? Or should we wait for the next book for the rest of the Dark Angel RoWs, hopefully either Firewing or Dreadwing.

>>52294354
I'm a horsefag myself but if it helps you I found some badly painted ones.

>>52294780
Day of Revelation

It's fun, fluffy, usable, and not overpowered. It lets you get into your opponents face real quick.

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>>52295346
>that pic

>>52289728
hek off Ultragay

>>52294844
Unification of Terra thunder warrior force, complete with hokuto no ken Emperor and Constantin 'Raul' Valdor.

>>52290492
Background from the founding up to the HH, but no Luther and no Fallen because that happens later. So no stats for them. The wings will have rules (I'd say they just add some RoW and keep the current ones) and there should be archaeotech. The Lion probably has stats&rules.
Having one close combat unit and one special weapon unit would be fitting.
The book will contain Blood Angels, Demons and Midnight Clad guys so I would not be surprised if the book contains less than what I wrote.

>>52295670
All the wings? That would mean giving them something like 6 special rites of war, which seems a bit much.

>>52295719
Its not out of the question, I mean the HH will have like 20 books total so each legion having 6 unique RoWs isnt that far fetched.

>>52295670
oh and it sounds like they did not even start writing more than a first draft of a general concept, so I would say the book will be released at the end of 2018. They did not even had more pictures than the marine and the termi that were in the previous book.

>>52295670
I know it's unlikely as they said something about daemons being the same everywhere, but I harbour a faint hope that FW might bandaid some of the issues with deamons when they do angelus. Stuff like bloodletters only having 1 attack, bloodcrushers having paper armour for some reason, and the lore of tzeentch being one of the worst psychic lores in the game. And the warpflame rule of course, with how commonplace apothecaries are it's even sillier in 30k.

>>52295719
they told so. But it could be that they do not cover all wings at once and wait for book 10 and 12 for the rest. Look at the other legions, they started in one book and got updates in 1-3 other books.

How much of a faux pas would it be to use BaC to start a small Alpha Legion army? Its the only was I could reasonably afford to get into the hobby as it would only take me ~$200 to get the box and all the bits I would need

>>52295912
it's not a faux pas at all, and aphla legion are like the anymans legion so nothing is inappropriate regarding models.

>>52295912
None at all. That box was how my entire group started.

>>52294844
The entire post-isstvan RG legion, circa battle of Yarant.

You did say money was no object

>>52295912
people who use plastic models aren't allowed in these threads

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>>52295991

Hey guys, how is Solar Auxilia ? Is it really good ?

>>52295991

>>52296031
Ranges from average to really good depending on choices and playstyle. 36" double-tapping lasguns are nothing to sneeze at, neither are outflanking russes

>>52296031
MALCADOR. INFERNUS.

>>52295952
>>52295958
>>52295991
I'm getting mixed messages here

>>52295670
oh balls, the Dark Mechanicum is also in the book, so the Dangels will have even less pages. They should not call it Angelus if less than half of the factions are some sort of Angels and all the others are not. My hope is that the Night Lords are only in the book because they try to stall the Dangels and the Dark Mechanicum is just inside because they work with the Night Lords - two pages would be satisfactory

>>52295991
this. only the finest chinese resin is allowed in these threads.

>>52296031
It can be a pain to deal with, though it is a bit of a onedimensional army. But the usual thing seems to be spamming tanks with flareshields, armoured ceramite, and AV 14. Infernus, lightnings to crack armour, commander that can pick warlordtrait so you can give your entire army (including fucking superheavy vehicles) Shrouded to make sure everything is truely invincible turn one and you're reading to terrorize the local meta.

>>52295346
If you want flamers, you want Salamanders. There's really no way around that one.

>>52294308
Jesus fucking christ.

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>>52296124
Ignore the faggot. Minatures need paint on them anyway so who cares what they're made off, it's the effort somebody put in them that counts, not the amount of money he could waste on it.

>>52296134
One page, updated rules for night raptors and I think most NL players would be happy.

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I return!

>>52290260
He is supposed to be a really good general, and a really good duelist.
Probably something like Horus tier out flanks ability, or Memehrious preferred enemy light, and something that makes him good in 1 v 1 like Fulgrim (but not as good as his or Angron). No leadership buff to his army.
Cost a little more than Guillimen.

>>52295912
That's the point of the box! Alpha Legion like Mk IV armor, Cataphractii are great, the Contemptor's ugly but it's fine. Try to use the chaplain as a praetor; terminator armor is generally a waste on them (use the termie character as a sergeant).

>>52296183
>flithy plasticplebs actually believe this

>>52295912

Shit like this is the problem with GW. Everyone needs to drop a huge chunk of cash just to start the hobby.

New players should be able to play starting games with 1-3 squads and build their force. Not have to buy half an army in one go.

>>52296183
>implying earning and spending money doesn't take effort

Unless this hobby is filled with millionaire trust-fund babies that I'm not aware of, that's wrong. People with expensive full resin armies who collected them since day 1 of 30k put way more effort in than someone who bought BaC a day ago.

>>52296215
Drill yer barrels, son.

>>52296215
Tehre is noh time to beh lohst!

Batul Brothas!

Thousand Suns, todeh the enemeh is at oua doar! We know oua duteh and we will do eet. We fight for our honor as Blod Rehvens Corevidai fehllowship,
as SPESS MAHRENS, and we fight in the nehme of Mahgnas!

And if we die this deh we die in gloareh, we die heroes' deffs, but we shall not die, no! It is the yiffs who will tehste deff and defeat!

As you know! Moast of oua enemeh is shtehtioned in SPEHSS, Pruhpeared to deep strike! Oua perimeter has been pruhpeared in the even dat oua enehmies should be so bald and so foolish. We have plehced numerous beacons, allowing for
muhltiple, simuln-tehneous and devashtehting intahcapshuns!

The Principah bhellicosah nehmes this maneuvah Tak the doge hout. We will descend upon the foe, we will ovawhelm them - we will leave none alive! Meanwhile oua ground fawses will ensue the full defense of oua headkwaters

We are the spehss mahrens! WE ARE THE EMPRA'S FUREH!

>>52296215

Post shots of that terrain with models on it

>>52296316
>The Principah bhellicosah nehmes this maneuvah Tak the doge hout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkuu0Lwb5EM

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I only one one son painted, motivate me and I'll fill the city!

>>52296441
have***

>>52296441
I have no Tsons painted, and hell will freeze over before I have any done. Consider that motivation.

>>52296441
>Not painting marines in batches of 60

Do you even hobby ?

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>>52296441
It's more fluffy to have one TSon left. :^)

>>52296462
>tfw can't even batch paint more than 5
>often have to batch paint 2 or 3

I don't know how people do 10+. I'm too OCD to paint fast and make mistakes, and even when I paint slow I inevitably make a mistake and am too OCD to not painstakingly correct those too. Batch painting literally slows me down.

>>52296468
picture guy here, love it!

>>52296441
travel around the world and take photos of your dude in front of interesting shit

>>52296295
That's one of the worst arguments I've seen on this site, and that's saying something. The amount of elitist projection is just staggering. Protip: anyone with an IQ high enough to work a budget can afford forgeworld stuff.

>>52296495
>Protip: anyone with an IQ high enough to work a budget can afford forgeworld stuff.

And yet so many on this board can't. How bad at observation do you have to be to forget this fact.

>>52296183
At an event I would refuse to play that army. Christ what a fucking embarrassment

>>52296477
Where do you find the patience to wait for the paint to dry between steps ?

>>52296510

Most events wouldn't let that army enter.

>>52296316
How much time did you waste making such a cringe post?

>>52296183
Those aren't scenic bases, so why did he base them and do nothing else? Is it just colored base texture that he plans on priming over?

>>52296510
But it is all FW ! How can you refuse it, it conforms to the elitists requirements !

>>52294844

Solar Auxilia with lots of infantry, special tanks and maybe a warhound

>>52296509
>fact
Yeah, nah. You're chatting shit m8.

>>52296495
>implying you can't easily find tons of resin 30k armies that put way more effort into them compared to tons of plastic low effort 30k armies

It's not a bad argument if it's literally just physical observation. That's literally what science is. QED, it's scientific fact. I'll be expecting my Nobel Prize in the mail.

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>>52289690
Binary Succession when?

>>52296549
>this conversation literally started because of one example
>tons of chinaman begging, daily
>not a fact
>m8

Daily reminder that moot was right about UK, EU, and AU posters being retarded faggots causing 99% of the shitposting.

Also new daily reminder that they're also fucking retarded and blind. Like, literally they could be raped in the ass and say rapists don't exist.

>>52296556
I guess you never heard of anecdotal evidence or confimation bias.

>>52296564
Children of Solonius anyone?

>>52296574
Angelus scans when ?

>>52296566
>woosh

>>52296564
>>52296574
>>52296585
Does anyone have Villainous Sons/Soaps of the Father, thnxs in advance.

>>52296604
Crimson King when?

Why is the Legiones Crusade Army list is outdated ?

>>52296585
>when you start a meme but it won't stop
I spent all that time asking if I could, but not if I should.

>>52296692
What?

>>52296707
It's in a outdated directory in the Mega repo.

>>52296275
Zone Mortalis... just need $1,000 of terrain ;^).

But seriously, just because we like 2-3,000 point games doesn't mean you can't have fun with 1,000-1,500. It's easier to have an unbalanced game if you don't stick to relatively basic units... which n00bs probably will.

>>52296585
Anyone see Sanguinius rules yet?

Battle bunnies is slow today.

>>52296701
Well, as long as people beg for ebooks/Mp3s/scans, we'll get what we see above.

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>>52293168

I haven't seen more than these two

>>52296509
The problem is that we have too many hobbies: console, gaming PC, high-end smartphone, non-shitbox car, going out for beers, and then miniatures on top of that.

If you aren't doing well financially (but aren't in literal poverty), you can probably have one hobby.

>>52296692
It's been replaced by Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Army List and Legiones Astartes Age of Darkness Legions.

>>52296788
>console

For idiots.

>gaming PC

Not as expensive and only a 5+ year cost if you know what you are doing (buying high end OEM parts and self building to save costs and delay obsolescence)

>non-shitbox car

Granted. This is the hobby I am ignoring because it's cheaper to just buy /tg/ shit when a forged wheel costs $600-800 for a single wheel, or $2,000+ for genuine JDM carbon/titanium parts.

>going out for beers
>not brewing your own
>tips hops

>>52296806
Both are the same book in the Mega repo

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>>52296441
>Black gun

pleb.

>>52296275
That's why my local group does starter sundays. If they're new and Just have BaC or BoP we keep around a couple of loaner rhinos and a single contemptor, and have a restrictions list to keep things reasonable.
>no special characters or primarchs (unless said newfriend happens to have one)
>no flare shielded spartans
>no more than 3 non-transport vehicles
>no orbital assaults or similar null-deploy style armies.

It's a restrictive list, but it's designed for introductory games so that people get familiar with the differences between legions and normal marines. Pretty fun too.

>>52296806
>>52296891
Nevermind anon, i finally got the right book.

>>52296874
>For idiots.

There's plenty of games on consoles you don't get on PC. Or if you do, they have terrible ports.

>Not as expensive

Depends on how pro gamer you want to be. And how new games you want to play.

Personally, apart from small things like hard drive and more memory, my PC was bought in 2009 and I pretty much buy my games on steam sales, because then all the bugs are fixed and I get all the DLC in one package.

>>52296788
>high-end smartphone

What hobby is that? You get a phone. Done. What's the "hobby" aspect? And what do you need a high-end one for?

>going out for beers

Like a fucking casual normie?

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I finally found a use for my Imperial Space Marine mini. He'd make a damned fine Vigilator for my upcoming Imperial Fists.

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>>52296124
>Alpha Legion getting/sending mixed messages

Looks like you're on the right track, Alpharius

D-did I miss something, or why did forgeworld remove Legio Custodes troops from their website?
I really don't want to fork over 90€ for 10 models when I could have had two (or was it three?) ten-man squads from forgeworld plus two grav-tanks for just 350€.

>>52297009
It must be a hobby of some sort if you're getting a Galaxy S7 or iPhone 7 instead of whatever the cheaper ones are called.

>>52296924
Black for tacticoolz, white for vets.

Get rekt m8

>>52297704
Their supply consisted of a bunch of BoP boxes that they opened and looted for sprues. Looks like they're out.

>>52297707
Shit, I got an S2 I bought used 2 years ago and it has served me well.

Speaking of which, if I reset the phone (return factory settings or whatever) will it format all the saved data like numbers, text messages, etc.? I screwed something and I think I need to reset it to fix everything, but there's important stuff I don't want to lose.

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What Legion would suit me the best if my response to most of major 30k battles are 'why didn't those idiots fucking bomb the planet from orbit?'

>it's not like that they gave a fuck about collateral damage or massacre

>>52297754
Iron Warriors.

>>52297754
It'd be a Traitor legion, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, Space Wolves, Death Guard, are the only ones I can think of at the moment that really embrace that.

>>52297737
Well shit.

>>52297808

I thought that it cost £45 per 5 dudes in those bundles as opposed to £35 per 5 dudes in the official release?

>>52289854
You are dense as a fucking log dude. Jonson and Roboute physically could not leave the area through conventional means. Sangy doesn't even have explanation as how he did leave the sector because he is a very porrly written primarch as for khan being important, you must have downs sir, how is mister "hmm which side do I join, oh i wanna be loyal time to kill half my legion but at terra i stand on a razorback and also i punched an ork once" even sort of relevant to the heresy? As for Dorn, you mean the primarch against the creation of the knights errant and hater of based loken and garro was awesome? How about the iron cage and that royal fuck up of leadership, or perhaps the bit of fluff where all he did was fortify terra the whole time.

Actually hang yourself.

Looks like it's time for the kids to start posting.

>>52297750
Yes you'd lose that. If you make sure your contacts are all saved as Google contacts, they'll be accessible from a desktop browser and easy to download after you reset. Not sure how to save text messages but I know it can be done.

I have a bunch of unassembled Blood Angels stuff. Can you guys tell me what among it would be HH legal or at least passable for counts-as?

The list is..

Captain
Death Conpany Chaplain
Sanguinary Priest
The Sanguinor
20 BA Tactical Marines
15 Death Company
10 Sanguinary Guard
10 Vanguard Veterans
5 Assault Marines
3 Furioso/Death Company/Librarian Dreadnaughts
1 Venerable Dreadnaught
3 drop pods
1 Fire Raptor
3 Knight Titans

And 10 BA Assault Terminators but iirc Indomitus pattern came after the Heresy?

>>52297754
Dark Angels dreadwing is supposedly known for that - but they've only appeared in Black Library books. We have to wait until Angelus to see them.

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Thoughts on my list?

>>52297992
as i said last time, perty has no place in this list, he actively inhibits it by chewing through enough points to almost get a warhound. Bring either an assault list with artillery support or a proper gunline, half-assing both like this means a boring game for you and a boring curbstomp for your opponent

>>52297974

Field whatever you like as long as you play by the 30k rules, but know that your army will stand out for the wrong reasons.

>>52298093
That's where I don't particularly agree, What about this list isn't sufficiently assualty? Are you suggesting that I remove all artillery and go full Termie spam? Seems like a great way to lose.

>>52297974
Definitely usable:
Dreadnoughts
Drop Pods
Fire Raptor
1 or 2 of the knights

Can stand in for other minis until you get period-appropriate armor marks:
Captain
Chaplain (pretend he isn't Death Co.)
Tacticals (as Veterans because 30k tacs don't have special or heavy weapons)
Vanguard Veterans maybe (again, different limits on special weapons)

When the next FW black books comes out in a year, Blood Angels will get special units and they're likely to include Sanguinary Guard. For now they're just a command squad or assault marines in fancy colors.

>>52297828
It's 45€ for the 5 men squad, 90 for ten guys. The forgeworld set with had 2 ten man squads, IIRC. That, and nice looking tanks, befitting to the Custodes, not just the same old land raider we had for years (without so much as a custodes transfer sheet, to add insult to injury). Not to mention, the golden paintjob on those boxy tanks looks tacky as fuck.

I really liked that box-set, even though you can buy it all seperately.

>>52298143
I mean

You've got almost 400 points on a 10 man missile launcher squad, that seems excessive. Even if they're great missile launchers do you really need all 10 of them?

>>52298211
I figure that having only five would see them wiped off the battlefield before they could do anything of use.

>>52298222
You could have 5 of them in an Aegis and still be up like 100 points.

>>52298143
Your Rite means you give your opponent two VPs for killing five regular-ass terminators, since only your troops are a terminator squad. You're bringing a Siege Breaker and only two units with phosphex. You have nothing to deal well with flare-shields on AV14. Your primarch is insanely exposed, even when deepstriking you're 1w t4 models without enough spam to be worth it, do you want to catch medusae shells with perty's t4 face? No-one will ever throw a unit of value at him just walking around, all he'll catch is a Knight-Lancer's D spear.

>>52298168

He can use vanguard veterans as his command squad. They would be a vicious localized death star too.

>>52298264
Sounds like you're recommending that I remove Perty from the list, which is non-negotiable.

Quick modeling question, regarding Pariah Power Armor, would an absence of a shoulder pad or both be too extreme of a change from the Space Marine look?

Or prehaps use smaller pauldrons to signify modifications?

>>52298168

Fortunately rhe DC Chaplain doesn't seem to have any DC specific markings. His armor would just be artificer wouldn't it?

The Tactical Marines seem to have some Mk IV bits but not full sets. I was going to get Mk 2-4 stuff anyway as im not fond of the GW box for them. Would they have Mk 5 or 6 by the time Istvaan or Signus Prime happened?

>>52298264
Also, apparently nothing can really deal with Spartans effectively according to sources that I've seen. It seems like you either have to get super lucky or walk up to it with a bunch of chainfists to drop it.

>>52297992
That list doesn't really make any sense. Footslogging only works if you have much more shooting than you do. You don't footslog assault units like your primarch and all those (non-siege tyrant) terminators.

What's the Damocles for?

>>52298306
Hell, your list is even illegal since you need to take vets/termis as compulsory troops and yes that means two of them not one. So you should probably head back to the drawing board,

>>52298343
Or a lightning fighter, or a sicaran venator driving to dodge the shield, etc. If you're set on Perty, then go full on termiespam. You've got a character that makes termies troops, or you can keep using pride, Perty let's them deep strike. Take five units of five termies with combiweapons and a chainfist, drop them all turn one with a Damocles to ensure the drops, drop pert and some boys in the middle, and alpha strike with air support and some artillery in the distance dropping shells. That's a list with synergy, rather than the current list you have

>>52298574
The problem is that Erasmus Golg needs to be Warlord for Termies to be troops, while Perty needs to be in the list to provide deep strike, but will default to Warlord. So I suppose, PoTL is the only choice for a list like that.

Are dreadnoughts upgraded to two twin linked heavy bolters and molecular acid shells worth the investment?

I've been looking for another gun platform so I can utilize the DAs special ammo and don't want to run dickbikes.

>>52298343

Lightnings..

>>52297992

I thought only Ultras could take a damocles command rhino

>>52299088
So why is it in the standard legion list?

>>52298979
Lightnings don't strike me as being very fluffy for an Iron Warriors list though... Perhaps I'll consider a Sicaran Venator though.

>>52298937
>don't want to run dickbikes
Why even live?
The Ravenwing is where the best toys come out en masse.
To answer your question, the Dreadnought has a pretty good chance to make its points back the first time it fires, but imo there are much better ways to utilise it. You play Ironwing?

>>52289728
Why are Ultras so salty? Is it because they got BTFO by Lorgar the weakest Primarch and hen did jack shit afterwards...well besides making a baby Imperium like the scum they are.

Why doesn't Forge World provide optional helmets for the Primarchs? Some of their helmets have been explicitly shown or described? It would help cover up some of those hideous faces.

>>52299665
Some sculptor spend over 1000 hours on those faces.

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>>52299489
>You need to be an Ultramarine to have legit reasons to call Word Bearers a shit
I assume you don't enjoy your anger, eh anon?
>>52299690
Fuck that sculptor, fite me

>>52299690
some of us just hate painting faces because they're hard to do proper justice to, or because the forces are themed for environments where going helmetless is an incredibly dumb idea.

Example for my raven guard every single dude with one exception besides corax has a helmet. and the one exception is because the Mor Deythan head was too good not to make use of, and even then I'm going to have his helmet on the belt easily visible.

>>52299790
I'm the same. All of my dudes have helms except for two of my Imperial Fists. One because he has a sweetass beard... and the other because he's just... so... angry...

Even all my White Scars have helmets on. It's just stupid not to wear one.

And I LIKE painting faces.

>>52299823
Some of my iron hands are helmetless because of sweet cybernetic heads, but that's it.

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>>52299823
>tfw when they won't give the Khan his dragon helmet
I don't like this feel.

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>>52299879
Get on my level.

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>>52299879
I thought it was a boar
>>52300025
You have better options available.

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>>52300058
Woops srry, wrong pic

>>52300072
which head kit is that?

I've been debating different helmets to pinch for corax (I magnetized the head in case I ever found a good replacement) and as ultras as that thing is I don't think it would look too out of place on corax either with all the wing/feather motifs on the armor.

Has Dorn ever been depicted with a helmet?

I'm assuming it'd be some kind of eagle...gotta have more gold eagles.

Then again FW will never make a Dorn model so I guess it doesn't matter.

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>>52300164
>I retur
Judging by the single-headed birb, it's
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Space-Marine-Marneus-Calgar-and-Honour-Guard?_requestid=21936941
although
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-PL/Ultramarines-Invictarus-Suzerain-Squad?_requestid=18205075
could serve too, if the Omega is filed off.
What's wrong with beaky laurels?

>>52296441
>Behind you stands a symbol of oppression. Somnus Citadel, where a thousand men have languished under the name of this man, Malcador, who has been held up to you as the shining example of justice!
>You have been supplied with a false idol to stop you tearing down this CORRUPT IMPERIUM! Let me tell you the truth about Malcador from the words of Terra's Praetorian, Rogal Dorn.
>"Alpharius didn't attack Malcador. He saved my librarian, then took the blame for Malcador's tax evasion fraud so I could, to my shame, build a lie around this fallen idol. I praised the madman who tried to underfund my own Legion, but I can no longer live with my lie. It is time to trust the people of Terra with the truth, and it is time for me to resign."
>And do you accept this man's resignation? And do you accept the resignation of all of these liars?! Of all the corrupt?!?
>We take Terra from the corrupt, the authoritarian, the oppressors of generations who have kept you down with myths of opportunity - and we give it back to you, the Legiones Astartes. Terra is yours. None shall interfere, do as you please. But start by storming the Somnus Citadel and freeing the oppressed! Step forward, those who would serve! For an army will be raised. The powerful will be ripped from their decadent nests, and cast out into the uncaring battlefield that we know and endure. Courts will be convened. Spoils will be enjoyed! Blood will be shed! The Militia will survive, as they learn to serve true justice.
>This great Imperium... it will endure.
>Terra will survive.

>>52300221
Never but considering his armor looks like Mk II I would bet his helmet looks like a MkII helmet with a bunch of aquilas in it.

>>52300233
the beak is really awkward because of the armor's high collar, and I'm pretty sure the head in that pic is custom as a standard head looks fukken tiny on him.

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>>52300221
>Has Dorn ever been depicted with a helmet?
>I'm assuming it'd be some kind of eagle
>Not a literal clenched fist for a face

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Is it fixed?

>>52300527
Damocles Rhinos aren't compulsory, anon.

>>52300527
You've still got 1,500 points of footslogging assault units that a lot of armies will just walk way from.

>>52300719
Perty lets them all deepstrike, which can kinda leave enough threat areas that you cant avoid all of them
>>52300527
Damocles is non-compulsory, consider a Chaplain to put in your deathstar. Drop the Thudd Guns to get the points. Give sergeants power axes and the chainfist to some schmuck, so the anti-dread cant be challenged out into uselessness. Otherwise, pretty good.

>>52300980
Chaplain or Primus Medicae for the deathstar? Both seem useful, but I figure that it'll attract a lot of fire, so the Primus might make more sense.

>>52292084
>Was it half? Seems like it can't have been that many, but going back through the novels I don't see a firm number.
Reportedly the Khan comes to Terra with 70% of his Legion's full force, so it couldn't have been too many, but you are correct that a lot of them basically went off to get themselves killed in an honorable matter, particularly those khans who were in the Horus faction. The one who wounds 'Little Horus' Aximand, in the book Vengeful Spirit, was one of them.

>>52301186
Primus is also non-compulsory

>>52301305
Well that settles things I suppose, lol.

>>52301299
>Reportedly the Khan comes to Terra with 70% of his Legion's full force
Really? I thought they were horrifically under strength after The Path of Heaven. Only 30% casualties after fighting four legions on your own for 5 years isn't that bad, all things considered.

>>52294844
>describe your dream badass 30K army in one sentence
Hmm... 20,000 Points of Alpha Legion giving me at least 2 of every possible unit option for them (and the Primarch model, even though it doesn't exist yet).

>>52297704
>>52297737
>>52297808
Well some good news and bad news. You're actually remembering the wrong number of Custodes you got with the various sets, the squads were only 5 men, not 10.

So they actually cost the same as they do on their own now.

A lot of people are grabbing Burning of Prospero in my area, if it's as popular in your's you shouldn't have any trouble finding people to trade with for the Custodes from it.

>>52301363
I dunno, I've been behind in HH books honestly, mostly cause there's only a few I ever want to get in something nicer than a pulp paperback (Scars for example, and I also have Brotherhood of the Storm in the CE it first came out in).

But it wouldn't be impossible considering the Scars' main strategy is not outmaneuvering your enemy, and avoiding direct confrontation when advantageous. I suppose it really depends on how much control the Khan had over the actions of those forces who were deliberately heading off to their deaths. Since they could be used as a sacrificial lamb to draw enemy strength to one area, so that the main force can attack, or even withdraw, in another.

>>52301379
orbital assault with deep striking custodes, any suggestions for which legion would go well with this? blood angels or space wolves maybe?

Is it weird that I want forge world to model a land raider equivalent for the Custodes? Seeing the leak pics with the venerable land raider feels disappointing/wrong aesthetic when compared to the Coronus.

>>52289854
>Jagathai
Who?

>>52301818
Jaghatai with french influences

Would Loyalists have easily won the Siege if RG and SW remained on Terra?

>>52301814
Nah I get it too.

Though I'm thankful that my old Land Raider from my 1st army is still in good shape (dusty though). Since I'm thinking of repainting it

>>52301860
Not easily, but they wouldve definitely held out until the DAngels, Ultras and various shattered elements relieved them

>>52296144
Grorious Zhongguo resin folded over 10 000 times.

>>52295670
No fallen for sure, but no Luthor? He was a pretty huge in the Dangels and was even a part of the crusade, before being sent home for almost not stopping that assassination attempt.