/hhg/ aka Horus Heresy General

How different do storm bolters look from combi bolters for my vehicle mounts?

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first for agrax

So are Custodes -supposed- to have terrible shooting in their default spears and swords, or do GW think a stormbolter on a more than 50 point model is good?

I'm not calling custards underpowered here, I'm just baffled they have their little plinky shooting that contradicts their image as super elites with better equipment than everyone.

What's a good way to represent Shrapnel Bolts on a Heavy Bolter? For my Manta, two SB Hbolters are the exact stats of my Burst Cannon I need to substitute, so if I can somehow find 32 of the damn things I can build 16 pairs to arm the thing. Do I just use regular Heavy Bolters, or convert them somehow?

Is there any reliable source about Emperor Titan height?

>>52276102
>Do I just use regular Heavy Bolters

Yes, its just different ammo. Paint them differently if it bothers you that much.

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Nth for repostan from last thread. So I'm pretty confident on fluff and crunch in this list, but can anyone think of things I fail to counter?

Aside from a whole fuckload of fliers I can't think of anything

>Iron Warriors: You get a Decimation Strikeforce
>Hammer of Olympia Rite of War
>3,000 Points

Praetor
>Terminator Armor, Chainfist
Siege Breaker Consul
>Terminator Armor, Chainfist, 3 Phosphex Bombs
Command Squad
>Land Raider, Terminator Armor, Chainfists

Terminator Squad
>Land Raider, Chainfists
Quad Launcher Battery
>3 Launchers, Shatter shells, Phosphex Shells
Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought
>Twin Kheres Assault Cannon

Tactical Squad
>15 Marines, Melta Bomb
Tactical Squad
>15 Marines, Melta Bomb
Tactical Squad
>15 Marines, Melta Bomb

Tyrant Siege Terminators
>2 Chainfists
Tyrant Siege Terminators
>2 Chainfists
Vindicator
>Dozer Blade
Vindicator
>Dozer Blade

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>>52276103

>>52276139
The AL version of this has endless "But then I was like" after the first pic :^)

>>52276090
How many SM swords are you aware of that fire bullets?

Any advice on converting a vindicator into a laser destroyer?

>>52276216
Remove main gun, leave shroud, add bundle of lasers...?

>>52276235
Sure, but where would you source the bits? The space for the barrel doesn't look big enough to put 4 lascannons in there. And I'd prefer a bigger barrel shroud, the demolisher is a chode gun.

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>>52276216
Change the demolisher for whatever bit this is or a Vanquisher cannon.

>>52276028
Binary Succession when?

>>52276286
Vitae of the Sons/Songs of the Father anyone?

>>52276354
Crimson King when?

>>52276061
Supposedly, combibolters shoot a wider cone of fire then stormbolters do. In deathwatch they're described as having a wider spacing between the twin barrels.

>>52276278
That looks nice, but that's a Sabre, not a laser destroyer. A laser destroyer is a quad laser mount.

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>browse ebay bits sellers
>seller has all the parts I want except one

I NEED THAT NUNCIO VOX

>>52276483
>"We're all Phareon today", bleeding voxed to Alpharius, "have Word, Faith Bearer."

Did they ever explain who and what is Malcador the Sigilite? Another stupid Perpetual?

>>52276634
>Did they ever explain who and what is Malcador the Sigilite?

He's the regent of Terra and the Emperor's bureaucrat/spy-master plus a powerful psyker. Not everything needs to be clear as water.

>>52276587
MkII/MkIII
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Forgeworld-LEGION-MK-II-III-COMMAND-UPGRADE-SET-Backpack-Antenna-BITS-/112329660742?hash=item1a275e9946:g:JJQAAOSwWxNYwb3p

MkVI (you could also use it for the IV)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Forgeworld-LEGION-MK-VI-COMMAND-UPGRADE-SET-Backpack-BITS-/112329665243?hash=item1a275eaadb:g:WGYAAOSw4CFYwb9N

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>>52276103
Word Bearers test scheme

Going to do a tactical squad with a Diabolist as a little allied force to go with my Iron Warriors.

Yes or no?

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>>52276708
the german guy doesn't have the other parts that I want and I dont feel like paying that much extra for a backpack

>>52276587
If you just want to add the bits
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORGEWORLD-LEGION-MK-4-RECON-SQUAD-ANTENNA-KIT-Bits-40K-/361926525500?hash=item544480823c:g:TI4AAOSwxYxUz8TF

IH model
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FORGEWORLD-Heresy-Iron-Hands-Leigon-MK-III-ARMOUR-NUNCIO-BACKPACK-40K-/361932723727?hash=item5444df160f:g:4lMAAOxyLN9Sou~I

>>52276202

Well it's basically a power lance that has improved AP values so as to be acurally useful, plus the lightning strikes rule.

But the gun component really mostly serves to make it look more unweildy, given it only shoots bolt rounds.

>>52276729
Looks pretty nice, but I feel the metallic edging could do with one more coat in places - it seems to have been reddened by overspill of red wash from the flat areas. For example, compare the bottom of the chestplate to the edging on the legs.

>>52276106
Dies Irae was 43m (141 ft) tall in one of the early HH novels. Helsreach says 60m tall (197 ft). Apocalypse says 55.5m, and shows a Warhound (14m high) at about a quarter of its height. Those differ, but it really depends on whether the cathedral on top has spires or not. Maybe they didn't really do the cathedral thing until after the Imperial Cult became widespread.

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>>52276462
Destroyer tank hunter has a single big barrel and it's armed with a (heavy) laser destroyer array. Otherwise the same, just packs a 60" range.

>>52276587
Just pit some antennals and crap onto a regular backpack.

>>52276295
Ferrus used Firebrand, a sword, Fulgrim used a hammer, Forgebreaker. Fulgrim changed to the Laer sword thought.

>>52276587
Use Imperial Guard vox casters

>>52276286
Children of Sicarus anyone?

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>>52277175
I used the vox units from the aegis line quad gun. Filing off the vent from the MkIV backpack and some rivets, it slotted right on there like a glove.

>>52276278
Where's that cannon bits from?

>>52277264
Looks like its from a Shadowsword or one of the Baneblade variants.

>>52277255
Looks legit.

>>52277155
>tfw FW has the iconic Fulgrim vs Ferrus dual with Ferrus Manus holding the wrong weapon

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>>52276852
Unsure if I should do all of the armour edges silver or just the pauldron and gorget, so far have just weathered the edges rather than solid silvered, but it might look better fully done. Trying to not look too flashy, you know, like the Iron Warriors...

>>52277316
Have faith word bearer :^)

What's the deal with Virtues of the Sins / Sons of the Father? It gets posted over and over.

>>52277396
Some sperg really, really wanted it.

>>52276593
>"Alpharius bleeding Manus Bearer", voxed to Erebus, Word, "faith all have, Malcador"

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A few threads ago someone mentioned Magnus & Sanguinius taking direct hits from Titans. It happens to Magnus in A Thousand Sons, but when does it happen to Sanguinius?
Pic related not my work just a mad guy on Instagram

>>52277541
Inferno.

What are the dark angels specialities in 30k? What rules do they have that sets them apart from the rest, and should I play them?

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>>52277541

>>52276090
I mean, the infantry are more about being warriors, not soldiers. Their shooting comes from their vehicles.

>>52276090
they can upgrade the spears to more elite shooty variants

>>52276388
When the rusted chains of prison moons are shattered by the sun.

>>52277569
>What are the dark angels specialities in 30k?

A small bonus in sword warfare and having exotic wargear, besides that they are so generic that they require their own RoWs to shine so pick one of those and crush on because both Ironwing and Ravenwing are absolutely some the best RoWs.

>>52276883
>Black Library novels
>reliable

>>52276080
awesome, looking sharp

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>>52277573
>Psy-lance
>Silence
We've read about Angron's face getting split open to the bone, Fulgrim getting 360-noScoped, and Mortarion getting his armour melted on top of him due to meltaguns as well as by Plasma Predators.
Any other Primarch injuries due to ranged attacks?

>>52276080
Who/what/where was agrax anyway? Google just brings up loads of results about the paint, unsurprisingly.

>>52277906
Horus, Mortarion and Fulgrim got fucked up at Dwell by some Fire Raptors.

>>52277746
I wouldn't have posted them if Apocalypse didn't more or less agree, as well as the relative scales of the Epic minis.

>>52277906
Russ got punched out by the Lion

>But that's not a ranged attack, anon
You underestimate the Lion Fist.

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>>52278008
>>But that's not a ranged attack, anon
>You underestimate the Lion Fist.

Would've 'Traitors' have won if current Traitor Legions and Loyalist Legions were reversed?

>>52278084
>Ultramarines
>Blood Angels
>Iron Hands
>Imperial Fists
yes

>>52278084
Dorn, Guilliman, Russ and Sangy is the winning team no matter what.

>>52278084
I reckon so. A big problem Horus seemed to have is a lot of the primarchs on his side had a tendency to fuck about. Hell, but for luck Fulgrim would have got Pertuarbo killed, leaving Horus a primarch short. The loyalist primarchs would probably stick to their tasks a bit better.

>>52278084
I don't see them pulling off an Isstvan V, and that was key to the traitors' getting as close to success as they did.

>>52278151
The war spanned all of seven years and crippled the Imperium for ten thousand years afterward, I wouldn't call that fucking about.

>>52278151

implying that the new Traitor Primarchs wouldn't have gone crazy in that scenario.

Anyone know how to contact the recaster Alpharius?

>>52278194
You are Alpharius.

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>>52278181
>The war spanned all of seven years
Dey wuz muckin aboot!

>>52278084
No pretty obviously not, Horus stacked things in favour of the traitor legions and the biggest loyalist legions got distracted by wild goose chases. The loyalists would have never managed that much. The only reason traitors lost is because after Horus died they could never decide who should rule after that, an oligarchy being beyond their understanding thanks to Imperial indoctrination.

>>52278181
Can't remember which book the short story was in, but there's a meeting in which Horus asks Morty to go hunt down the white scars because he's the only primarch he can actually rely on to do his fucking job, apart from Perty who would just sit in his fortifications while the scars ran rings around him. When 6 out of the 8 primarchs on the traitor side can't be trusted to do the jobs given them by the warmaster, "fucking about" seems pretty appropriate.

>>52277706
Ravenwing I agree, but Ironwing one of the best? Could you enlighten me on that?

>>52278311
Angron hates all.
Fulgrim goes mad before istvaan(and that's the only reason he betrayed Emperor)
Curze was mad all along
Lorgar Gods>Horus
Magnus "I am still loyal!"
Alpharius. Trusting Alpharius...

Well yea Mortarion and Perturabo are the only trustworthy traitor primarchs.

>>52278429
I guess for the sake of balance, both Corax and Russ were asked to stay on Terra to man the walls and refused, but they still weren't at the same level of wilful disobedience as Curze/Fulgrim, say.

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Is a Stormlord in a Solar Auxilia army a good fit? Thinking of putting a Tank Commander in 1 for my 2500pts army.
I run 2 Dracosans w/ Demolishers for transporting my Veletaris Storm Sections, I figured I could toss a Lasrifle Section in the Stormlord to ferry them where needed.
Also, 30shots overwatching with the Vulcan Mega-Bolter looks fun.

490 Stormlord Super-Heavy Assault Tank
25 Armoured Ceramite
50 Sponson Lascannon and Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter
55 Auxilia Tank Commander
620

Is there a reason GW kits designed to be used by multiple armies are completely covered in fucking aquilas? I want to convert some Traitor Reductor Basilisks, but there's four eagles built into the gun alone, plus all the giant ones on the chassis.
Not looking forward to all the filing off shit the various kits going into the Filiketos will need.

>>52278883

Because they're meant for 40k, where that shit is the norm.

>>52278883
>Is there a reason GW kits designed to be used by multiple armies

Because its not, the Basilisk is designed to be used by the Imperial Guard. The fact that it can be used by traitors is something that came after the creation of the kit so you need to put work into it if you want to file off those aquilas.

>>52278686
A stormlord is a bit bizarre in that its weapon choice and its capacity dont mix well. It's got a gatling that is flat death to the enemy, but can only fire enough to be worthwhile by sitting still. Its got insane carrying capacity, but thats just more anti-infantry carried inside it, and when all it is is a lasrifle section, you may as well not even bother. Honestly, i would recommend either the regular Baneblade for general-purpose killyness if you're cheap or the Stormhammer for the ultimate gunboat if you can afford it.

>>52277906
Lorgar got hit in the face by a titans plasma blast. Angron then stopped said titan from stomping on Lorgar by holding its foot mid stomp.

>>52278426
Sniper Vets wounding EVERYTHING on 3s, Volkite squads wounding infantry squads on 2s, better Predators than any legion and your Tacticals wound infantry on 3s, they virtually have heavy bolters!. Its not an OP RoW but if you wanted to run bolter boys in rhinos then its the best there is.

>>52278979
How do the volkitws get the +1 to wounds? They don't meet the criteria.

>>52278969
That was actually my main concern! Seems like a 'win-more' but only when winning sorta thing.

For the Stormhammer, which was my 2nd choice, I'd still put a Tank Commander in it (BS4) and LD biffs. Would you recommend swapping out all of its Multilasers for Lascannons, then using the command ability for Tank Hunter? That would make it have 6x BS4 Lascannon shots with Tank Hunter in addition to its main cannons.

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>>52278971
The mental image of Angron squatting a Warhound will never cease to make me laugh.

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>>52278311
>Perty who would just sit in his fortifications while the scars ran rings around him
Am I the only one who finds it hillarious Perturabo solves everything in sieges...even if it wasn't a siege to begin with?
You know what he did on Istvaan V? He fucking built a castle before betraying people.
And didn't he deepstrike an entire fortification ring before entering the building in Angel Exterminatus?
EVERYTHING IS A SIEGE

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>>52279098
Bet Lorgar was mirin'.

>>52278883
Perhaps you'd like to buy already-modeled filed-off Aquilas.

>>52279098
Vulkan is suppose to be physically the strongest of the primarchs, so we can only imagine what Imperial vehicles he uses for his workouts ...

>>52279075
Thought they Carronades were S5, my bad. Still, its a good RoW.

>>52279110
High level meta right there. Force people to fight you on your own terms.

But he didn't deep strike the fortifications, his rhinos are built to make a fort when they form a circle.

>>52279152
>Carronades

Culverins, damn Im bad today.

Building some custards, hows this for a breakdown? Im new to 30k so im just going off what seems like a good idea.
1x Shield Captain (magnetized)
5x hetearon guard (magnetized)
9x custodian guard, no idea which spears
5x sentinel guard with swords
5x sentinel guard with fists
I currently only have 25 total models available to build.

>>52279171
>5x hetearon guard (magnetized)

I think these are better off as custodian guard, you need all the troops you can get and its not like your troops need to be better in CC.

>>52279204
I was mainly thinking of being able to switch them between paragon blades and solerite fists. Not worth it?

>>52278084
In this hypothetical would the Alpha Legion be officially loyalist while secretly helping the traitor cause?

>>52279227
>>52279204
Plus shields, forgot that

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>>52279161
They were two kinds. Both Rhino Castles and deepstruck castles.
But the Rhinos arrived there by Thunderhawk, so it counts as being airlifted to me.
Hell, considering Solar Auxilia Tercios can buy a Dedicated Fortification, perhaps you could INFILTRATE Aegis Defense lines?
>Jagathai and Russ were fighting the Orks in a melee
>And then Perturabo arrived and it became a siege and he won it.

>>52279240
Yes No[/spoiler ]Maybe ???

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>>52279240
>Hypothetical

>>52276883
What if it has a church on it's base?

>>52279267
I don't know.

>>52279088
Thats what i have in my proxied with guard and regular baneblades, since im already spending my money on a Legion list. If theres no tanks, then precision shots can actually be a pretty good alternative, since very few things can surivive three precision shots to the face, making it very good at removing sergeants, apothecaries and even HQs

>>52278311
That actually happens in Path of Heaven, and there might be similar conversations in Vengeful Spirit.

Fulgrim goes off on his own to become a daemon prince (nearly killing Perturabo in the process - that would have been disastrous). At least he did a thing on Isstvan V, but yes, the Emperor's Children are not a success story.

Horus needs Perturabo for taking worlds and besieging Terra - going after a fast legion is one of the few tasks he'd be terrible at. Perty was mostly fine, but it was dumb to get bogged out on Tallarn and losing a ton of armor chasing some mysterious artifact.

The Night Lords get smashed by the Dark Angels and cease to function as a legion after that. Not a success story.

The World Eaters and Word Bearers have been reasonably effective so far in the BL series, but they obviously fail to keep the BA, UM, and DA from leaving that part of the Imperium. (The UM and DA's imminent arrival is given as one of the reasons Horus invited the Emperor up to the Vengeful Spirit, when the traitors were winning the siege.) We'll see what happened there.

The Death Guard and Sons of Horus are effective.

The Thousand Sons don't do much that we know of until a very small contingent appears on Terra.

The Alpha Legion don't know what side they're on.

>>52279344
>tfw Alpha Legion are among the most effective traitor legions despite being massive trolls

What the fuck is the Siege of Baal?

>>52279396

Baal started as a rad waste.
Sanguinius turned it into a pinnacle of civilization and fixed the world.
A big siege during the heresy bombed it back into a rad waste.

>>52279396
Well it started as a melee...but then Perturabo arrived

>>52279419
And nothing of value was lost.

>>52279335
Do you bother tossing on any HKMs?
Precision shot does look pretty nasty on here too, than many Lascannons would surely wipe out what I want. Ever bother keeping any Multilasers on it beyond the co-axial one?

Can I see your list mate?

>>52279419
Blood Angels sure got shit on a lot. What was the planet like before the bombing? Never heard about him fixing it.

>Prosecutor Cadre can replace their boltguns for two bolt pistols for free
Is it worth doing if you don't put them in a transport? Is it worth doing even if you do? What bits would you use?

I'm thinking of taking three units of ten for cheap fearless scoring in a Talons list and having them infiltrate but I can't really decide if I should just keep them as far back as possible with the bolters or actually be aggressive with their aura and have them assault stuff. Past experience and math tells me T3 has no place in close combat, but.. I mean, at least they're I4 WS4, right?

>>52279468
HKMs are only worth it currently when bringing a legion list with enough speeders to open with a fusillade to crack every light vehicle or artillery piece in range.

120-Lord Marshal-Displacer field, Power Fist, Digital Lasers
55-Tank Commander (malcador or infernus, tank hunters or PE Infantry)
55-Tank Commander (stormhammer, tank hunters if enemy mech, or precision shots for lascannon-sniping characters/medics in a horde)

240-Household Retinue with Power Axes, Arvus Lighter

280-Storm Section+demolisher Dracosan
280-Storm Section+demolisher Dracosan
280-Storm Section+demolisher Dracosan

200-Thunderbolt Fighter
200-Thunderbolt Fighter

340-Malcador-Demolisher Cannon, Lascannon sponsons, Siege Armour, Flare Shield, Armoured Ceramite
290-Malcador Infernus-Chem-munitions

660-Stormhammer, Armoured Ceramite, six lascannon sponsons, pintle lascannon

The retinue basically drops in front of an enemy's nasty CC unit and says come at me bro, and when they usually achieve a nearly equal KO except against shit like Justaerin, and the marshal teleports out, the remnants are left wide open to get blasted. Fun Fact, when Horus is in a unit, he's majority toughness 4 and can be sniped with lascannons and then shat on by enough high-powered blasts to annihilate his unit.

>>52279696
>Tank Commander Infernus
jesus dude how rough is your meta

>>52279161
>his rhinos are built to make a fort when they form a circle.
Ah, of course, the rare Conestoga pattern Rhino.

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I think I'm gonna paint a unit of spearstodes like this, use them as Hetaerons with paragon spears, then if official Hetaeron models come out later just have them be normal dudes who happen to be from this black armour club.

>>52279761
Australian.

>>52279696
Reason you keep Flare Shields off the Dracosans? Just points?
You are the first person I have seen using a Thunderbolt over a Primaris. WHY? Are the Kinetic Piercer Missiles that good at S6?

Makes sense on the HKMs. Wasnt sure since its already a mobile fortress.

>>52279344
>but it was dumb to get bogged out on Tallarn and losing a ton of armor chasing some mysterious artifact.
Nigga, that wasn't just a mysterious artifact, that was the Cursus of Alganar. We're talking a daemon portal of such magnitude that alarms started wailing in the Black Library and Biel Tan went full Swordwind and awakened their Avatar after some space arab whacked it with a tractor.

If the Iron Warriors could have brought that thing to Terra they'd have access to infinite daemons to throw at the walls.

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I think that I figured it out this time /hhg/, what do you think?

Does anyone have/know of the book with all the Death Guard shoulder pauldron color palettes? Need to know the markings for mah dudes

I really like Tzeentchy stuff. I really, really hate space wolf stuff. If I read the Magnus focused HH books how much Rubric goodness will I get to Space Yiff badness?

>>52279419
What's all this lore from?

>>52279419
Begs the question, why did Leviathan go after Baal in the first place?

>>52280081
Oh, i just have two old thunderbolts from my Guard, so i use them. Primaris is better, especially since they get krakens for 10 points cheaper than Legions, but my list is already pretty mean. I wouldnt want to proxy the only model that actually is in the army list, too.

And yeah, points. The dracosans already have oodles of HP, so unless a kraken lightning, vindi squadron or a dread with chainfist turns up, they're pretty tough. Plus i have three, and also two malcadors, and also a Stormhammer, so target priority is pretty haywire.

>>52280193
not enough scoring, like 90% of lists posted

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>>52278181
>seven years
>absolutely every possible advantage
>still don't win it

>>52280280
I dont think it has any other reason than the Baal system is on its path, its just another system that Leviathan came across.

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>>52280298
>so target priority is pretty haywire
>pretty haywire
:^)

>>52280225
There's not that much of Thousand Sons being awesome in the HH book about the TS actually. Mainly because they were more concerned about learning and improving their mastery rather than showing off. And the parts about SW are pretty much in line with the usual tropes : yiffs being tough 'n the bestest 'n shit just 'cause.

If you wanna read about Thousand Sons kicking ass you gotta go for stories from 40k mostly (specially in the last two campaign books Magnus is kicking some serious ass)

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>>52280335

>flashbacks to the vultarax in the last thread

>>52280225
Read the Ahriman novels. The first scene is a SW getting owned by a TS and the series eventually goes full Tzeentch.

>>52280392
wait what, I missed this

>>52280363
>>52280399
Cool thanks. I don't mind seeing the Sons just chilling, I just refuse to read any Space Wolf nonsense.

Where do you get the shit for Zone Mortalis?

>>52280430
first three books

>>52280413
someone posted a maniple of vultarax that were "painted" which means just a basecoat, no washes, no highlights

>>52280446

I meant the physical shit you play on

>>52279553
It's new fluff.

>>52280163
Oh, that's what the Black Oculus was? Okay then, makes sense. But then it was dumb for Horus to tell Perturabo to pack up and make for Terra.

>>52280298
Ok, makes lots of sense on the Thunderbolts then. Love those models too.
5HP, but AV13 and want to get close, so I worry on them.
That much armour should surely help.
Thanks!

>>52280507
Know what book it's from?

>>52280479

It was Shas, and it was the same sort of thing he's been doing for YEARS now.

>>52280430
Book 3, ZM is also free on FW website. Its the same ruleset that is in book 3 but the HH book has different missions and a campaign.

>>52280023
I don't think we'll get models, but I realized we'll definitely get an add-on pack like they're doing for the Sagittarum Guard, since we currently don't have pieces for Custodian power fists and claws. Then again, you might also be able to use the Terminator arms for that (or either?).

Anyway I'm planning on doing up several of my Custodians in that colour scheme as well, but have no idea what colours I should use since I'm bad at eye-balling it. Any suggestions?

>>52280525
The Siege of Baal, or the Black Oculus? The Siege of Baal will be in Book 8: Angelus. At the last FW weekender they previewed what would be in it.

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>>52280546
His shit generally looks better in person, I'm not sure if it's the lighting in his place or if it's camera flash, but hey, at least it's painted. More than can be said for many other army projects in 30k or 40k. (the truth is a sad thing)

>>52280225
Ahriman is the primary antagonist in the Czavek novel as well, and it's one of the better written BL books.

>>52280556

What about the board I always see people play on with the walls and shit?

>>52280669
That's FW, either build your own, or prepare to sell both kidneys to FW

>>52280669
Oh, Zone Mortalis tiles. They're each 1'x1'.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/search/searchResults.jsp?Nty=1&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=gwsearch&N=0&Ntt=zone+mortalis&qty=16&sorting=srl&view=table&categoryId=undefined

Or you can make your own out of just about anything.

>>52280669
Don't buy the FW one. It costs a ton, and it makes really horrible hollow plastic noises moving models around and rolling dice. Just make your own out of cardboard or plasticard.

>>52280749
>rolling dice ON a ZM board
that's the one kind of board I have no problems using a tray with

>>52280616
Oh, okay. Thought it might be some BL book I missed. Thanks.

>>52280669
Just play on a normal board with TONS of terrain, add a special rule that all terrain is unpassable unless breached with a charge to create a doorway.

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Based phone posting.

Anyone have advice on fixing the right eye?

Also, has anyone had success using plasma weapon techniques for power weapons?

I'm thinking red almost lava esque power weapons.

>>52280787
oh I know, but people still do it. every time it's happened in a batrep I've watched I just immediately close the video, shit makes my skin crawl. that sound is just so awful

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This is a 2000 point list I intend to bring to an event this weekend. Big stompy robots, Legio Cybernetica Battle Cohort. It has 2000 points, 13 guys, no scoring units, and a whole lot of beeping and booping.

HQ
Archmagos Dominus 155
-Cyber Familiar 15
-Machinator Array 25
-Abeyant 25
-Augury Scanner 5 (225)

Magos Dominus 75
-Cyber Familiar 15
-Machinator Array 25
-Abeyant 25
-Augury Scanner 5 (145)

Troops
Castellax Battle Automata x3 315
Castellax Battle Automata x3 315

Fast Attack
Vultarax Stratos-Automa 175
Vultarax Stratos-Automa 175
Vultarax Stratos-Automa 175

Elites
Domitar Battle Automata 175

Heavy Support
Thanatar Siege Automata 250
-Enhanced Targeting Array 15
-Paragon of Metal 35 (300)

Archmagos and Magos get stuck in with the castellax. Thanatar shells from the back. Both are anti-infantry, while the three vultarax are anti-vehicle, split up in case of rhinos / dreadnoughts. Declared loyalist, so no Scoria. Expected armies I remember are Sons of Horus, World Eaters, Night Lords, Raven Guard, and Solar Auxilia. Expected Primarchs I can remember are Angron, Corax, and two Horuses. Any thoughts on this list? I'm aiming for a kill everything list. While I prefer the three Vultarax for now, I wouldn't be averse to dropping one, disappointing as it is.

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Anyone have the Spongebob legion list?

>>52280894
Anon please, it has been a week. Won't you give that guy his arm and hands?

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>>52281076

>>52280943
put upgrades on the castellax, they're I4 in LC so frag grenades become relevant and ETA seems more worth it than not. if you need to table people you really need to table people. it's even worth considering power blades for extra CC attacks. you'd probably get more payoff from those upgrades than from the domitar honestly.

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>>52281105
Thanks senpai

Have a cool picture

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>>52281120
Do you happen to have another one like it?

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Mister of the Signals

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>>52281156
Sadly, no. Only memes

>>52281167
>Don't make me shoot this Volkite, I'll fucking do it man!

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Another reminder that Eidolon is a fucking fatass.

Just look at the bastard. He needs a chunky, custom-made breastplate to hold in the gut that he's built up through all those food orgies.

>>52276178
And the Night Lords one has the same pic for before and after.

>>52281167
That's a cool conversion, whats the arm computer from?

>>52281206
deathwatch

>>52281167
Did you cut the Mk III arm just below the elbow to take one of the Deathwatch wrist-computer things?

If so, my armour autism is sated. Mismatched Mark arms piss me off.

>>52281226
yeah, it's just MK III armor with the thicker vambrace exchanged now

>>52280894
>sideways
>holding model
>3264x2448

>>52281218
How do you intend to base this? It looks like you have a marble foundation set.

>>52281226
You can identify arms by armor mark? Damn, I have some studying to do.

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>>52281275
Also, this.
I want pictures of spinning marines!

>>52281331
they're fairly straightforward

mk2/3 you can pick out with the elbows
mk4 the vambraces
mk5/6 are a bit of a mess, though, largely because they keep changing shit

>>52281305
marble tile, same as Praetor Punchy

>>52281117

I initially had flamers and blades on the castellax. I dropped them for an additional domitar. if I put on power blades, should I put on flamers as well, or leave the bolters to synch with the augur scanner?

>>52281385
bolters, ETA doesn't do anything for flamers
you could consider flamers on one of them. how hordey/blobby is the WE player?

>>52281331
Yeah, basically what >>52281362 said. Also, the Mk II/III have distinct gauntlets/vambraces, and the upper arm armour is split into two ringed plates in the same style as the Mk II legs.

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>>52281385
no primarchs or other special characters in the EL event, unless they changed the rules (again)

>>52281362
>mk5/6 are a bit of a mess, though, largely because they keep changing shit
FW's been pretty consistent with these two, even though GW hasn't. GW just tends to give Marines Mk VII arms anyway.

FW Mk V arms are Mk VII-style, plus an extra heavy-duty cable running from under the shoulder down to the elbow plate. Their Mk VI arms are basically Mk VII ones without the raised wrist trim/ridge, and no panel lines.

>>52281406

I remember seeing a lot of squads, but he had a couple dreadnoughts. He had Angron and Kharn running up.

>>52281501
*GW just tends to give non-Mk VII Marines Mk VII arms anyway (except for the new kits based off the Forge World designs)

>>52281488
>no primarchs or other special characters
If it had a no superheavy rule and perhaps a few artillery limitations it'd be perfect

>>52281406
Very. At least one spartan and a cortus talon, and a few foot blobs.

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If this is what the models will actually look like i will buy the shit out of them.
If they only release the Cataphractii variants I'm gonna be pissed.

>>52277304
If I remember right, Ferrus takes back forgebreaker before their final battle.

At least in Fulgrim he does.

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Lil' Legend Studios recommends Darkstar metallics (they are brushable) and using Kabalite Green on gold (in the recesses and where shadows would fall) before you give it an Agrax Earthshade or Nuln Oil wash.

>>52281798
Not a fan of the green, looks like corrosion or accumulated gunk.

>>52281816
Does gold actually corrode or oxidize?

>>52281833
In the off-chance you're being serious, essentially, no.
That's one of the reasons it's considered valuable.

>>52281798

Yuck, green corrosion is for copper and bronze. I've used it as my primary color for my stormcast where it's appropriate for them to look like a degraded walking statue.

Custodes should be bright and glorious, even the black ones are still neat and well maintained

>>52276028
What weapons do you guys think Sanginuius will have? The BL novels give him a two handed sword, but older fluff has him with a spear.

Honestly hoping for the spear, would look pretty cool.

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>>52280023
>>52281798
>only have fabric between joints of armour
>2+ save

>>52281759
Just use Scarab Occult painted red :^]

>>52282408
A spear would be nice, not too many of them around.

But he'll have a sword.

>>52282462
And some minor variation on a typical Legion gun to fill in the ranged weapon gap. Not a lot of them seem to have super-awesome guns, it's all about the iconic melee weapons (hammers and mauls with similar names, mostly).

>>52281798
>Old Custodes, whom are immortal-er than regular space marines and even Blood Angel Vampires
Perhaps he fought against the Hrud, alongside the Iron Warriors in the initial stages of the Hrud Xenocide?
It wouldn't be the first time the Talons of the Emperor and the Corpsegrinders have fought together against some NPC aliens

>>52282462
Spear of Telesto is pretty iconic. I could see it happening.

>>52278194
I would currently violate the geneva convention to get in touch with Alpharius or Z. But I understand its secret squirrel shit so they don't get V@ by the Inquisition

>>52278194
He's on reddit.

>>52281593
>>52281505
well, in that case honestly the flamers are probably the most important thing. you really don't have that much anti-infantry firepower especially if the vultarax are only killing vehicles, so you're gonna need to get some solid damage one with the castellax. flamers go a long way towards making that happen against infantry.

>>52282452
Forrix' cape is actually made out of adamantium weave, meaning it's more resilient than an actual power armour, while Sisters of Silence's Vratine armour relies on moon-mail and isn't even void-sealed, yet still provides a 3+, while Oblivion knights wear a glass-mesh that provides a 4++ against blasts, aka it's more resilient than Tartaros TDA against Medusae.

Fantasy Cloth can be good, anon, you just have to believe, as well as have a good tailor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Ij7ElJnqM

>>52282462
Hopefully he also has some form of super-inferno-pistol as his ranged weapon, armour with the same no-degraded-stats thing as Horus, movement like at least a jump pack he can use to move and charge with, and stats to the level of being able to fight current horus to the point of a coinflip.

>>52282757
>>52282462
I would really like to see rules that let him charge flyers and flying monstrous creatures. Bonus points if he makes FMCs take their grounding checks with a penalty if he wounds them as a callback to previous exploits.

>>52277906
Fulgrim gets the shit blasted out of him by a Knight.

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>>52282757
>and stats to the level of being able to fight current horus to the point of a coinflip.
I want him to have a Primarch version of the Sword of Double Wounding, and be able to beat Russ and Scoria :^)

>>52282787
That'd be pretty cool, make them instantly take a grounding check at -2 if he flies into them and if they fail it they're locked in combat

>>52282804
Make him high intiative, high weapon skill, and high attacks. Auto hit on a certain dice roll with no modifiers allowed. Double wounding sword. He'd be taking out russ and probably around Horus level. 2+ armor 4+ invul.

>>52282868
Remember how we used to meme about Sanguinius getting a D sword and then Guilliman has one, in a way?

>>52282903
I'd really like to avoid any primarch getting S:D. But I wouldn't be surprised if he gets it on sixes.

>>52282920
See, Sang is one of those i see that isnt super-strong, i.e. ferrus or vulkan, who even then shouldnt get the , only s10 at initiative. Sang should just be large amounts of high skill, high I attacks

>>52282957
I get what you mean. But Inferno added him ripping apart eldar titans with his hands.

I don't know anymore. Maybe he'll have armorbane.

>>52278115
Leman's only accomplishments during the Heresy were getting repeatedly bailed out by his brothers and delivering a loyal (but misguided) legion into Tzeentch's grasp.

>>52283053
prospero happened before the heresy
also the sons were doomed, all that debacle really accomplished was exactly how many of them survived to be damned by their gene-sire's actions

I understand why they made the wuffs and dangles active during the heresy itself, but I think it's a really dumb and unnecessary change.

>>52283004

Not crazy, alpharius has armorbane after all.

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>>52283004
>ripping apart eldar titans with his hands.
When I read it, I didn't believe it, considering he must have access to swords of double wounding and such.
THEN I REALIZE SANGUINIUS DOESN'T WEAR GAUNTLETS FOR A REASON

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>>52283209
And then grognards complain of Robert being overpowered in 40k. He didn't even kill greater daemon in close combat.

>>52283248
>heavy bolter so far forward in the palm the only fighting that can be done with the hand of dominion is a pimpslap

>>52281798
Agree with the others, I don't like the green.

But the cape is very nice. I was thinking of going with purple capes for my Hetearon Guard for that whole Praetorian feel.

>>52283248
as it should be

>>52283374
>Its okay when Sang is OP mary sue but Rowboat shouldn't

>>52283248
Killing a greater demon ought to be a big thing. It kind of is in 30k at least.

>>52283248
>He didn't even kill greater daemon in close combat.
Because you don't usually kill daemons to begin with, you just defeat them and they respawn in the warp. But do keep in mind 40k Guilliman probably wields the Emperor's blade better than the Emperor Himself in 30k.

>>52283396
considering the primarch power creep going on in 30k, I very much doubt that

>>52283419
Well, for once I sure hope I'm wrong.
But then hope is the first path down the road to dissapointment
>>52283392
In melee yeah, it is ok Sanguinius is better than Guilliman. 40k Robert is setting a bar that is simply too high to surpass.
>inb4 Scoria exists
Scoria is a fucking mistake and shouldn't exist. He's more resilient than Satarael, the undying Magos that conveniently lacks Eternal Warrior or even a proppa invuln, hits harder than Draykavac and is the fastest Mechanicum character out there.

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How does one make contemptor chainfists look less shit?

>>52283610
More/bigger chain blades.

>>52283610
buzzsaw rather than chainsword?

>>52283610
I've seen people use the chain-bayonets from Phobos bolters on the fingers.

>>52283610
Remove the fingers and replace it with the Ironclad chainfist.

>>52283610
give up and use the siege dreadnought's claw

>>52283610
Use a chainblade mounted below the grabbing hand like Terminators do. I can't find my example pic, but Contemptors already look like oversized marines and that's part of why the odd chainfist looks terrible. make them look like an upsized tartaros and it turns to awesome.

>>52282543
Google yoyhammer, click the first link.

Read the first post, then perform a few Google or internal searches.

Don't be a Fag about it and keep the secret once you've found it.

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>Gorgons have flash armour
>So does Fulgrim
Both were close to Ferrus, the Gorgon from Medusa, so I suppose that explains flashy armour, huh? Or perhaps Ferrus was inspired by Fulgrim's own armour; do remember he was the better smith.

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999 to go. need to re/do shoulder highlights

>>52284093
it's most likely that ferrus was the one who invented conversion field technology in the first place

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>>52284185
>Lord Phoenician, why won't you use an Iron Halo? It'll afford you better protection than th-
>My beloved brother Ferrus gifted me this personal shield generator, so I shall honour him by wearing it in battle. Besides, it's not as if the enemy could best me in melee anyway.

>>52284168
Pretty.
What kind of speech is he giving up there?

>>52284310
Sic semper tyranruss

>>52284310
magnus did nothing wrong
the emperor is just jealous

Would this list facilitate my desire to have a decent back-and-forth and put out some punishment before I probably lose?

I am not a competitive player. I more or less just enjoy having painted models on the board and occasionally pulling off something crazy.

>2500pt Shattered Legions list,
>Rite of War: The Sagyar Mazan
>Scars Praetor, Paragon Blade, Archeotech Pistol, Iron Halo, Cyber hawk
>Imperial Fists Legion Champion Consul: Master crafted Power Axe, Artificer armor, boarding shield
>Blood Angels Moritat Consul, 2x Volkite Serpenta, Power axe, Artificer Armor, Refractor Field, Jump Pack
>10man Scars Assault Squad, 1 each Power Sword, Axe, Glaive
>14man Fists Breacher squad, 2x meltagun, power fist
>3x Scars Apothecaries, 3x power glaive, 1 bike, 1 jump pack, 1 combi-plasma
>10x Scars Seekers, 10x combi-plasma, Power glaive.
>9x Scars Outriders, Power Sword, 2x Power Axe, Sergeant, Power Glaive,
>Fists Leviathan Siege Dreadnought, Claw, Grav flux bombard, Volkite Calivers, Phosphex Discharger
>Blood Angels Deredeo Dreadnought, Anvillus Autocannons, Aiolos Missile Launcher, 2x Iliastus Assault Cannon
>Total: 2499pts

Breachers hold the middle as a cool looking speedbump. Seekers chase the bird around. Dreads smash and shoot. Bikes fill in where needed. Moritat just looks cool and maybe gets one decent round of CHOOM.

>>52284310
Behind you stands a symbol of oppression. Somnus Citadel, where a thousand men have languished under the name of this man, Malcador, who has been held up to you as the shining example of justice!
You have been supplied with a false idol to stop you tearing down this CORRUPT IMPERIUM! Let me tell you the truth about Malcador from the words of Terra's Praetorian, Rogal Dorn. "Alpharius didn't attack Malcador. He saved my librarian, then took the blame for Malcador's tax evasion fraud so I could, to my shame, build a lie around this fallen idol. I praised the madman who tried to underfund my own Legion, but I can no longer live with my lie. It is time to trust the people of Terra with the truth, and it is time for me to resign." And do you accept this man's resignation? And do you accept the resignation of all of these liars?! Of all the corrupt?!?
We take Terra from the corrupt, the authoritarian, the oppressors of generations who have kept you down with myths of opportunity - and we give it back to you, the Legiones Astartes. Terra is yours. None shall interfere, do as you please. But start by storming the Somnus Citadel and freeing the oppressed! Step forward, those who would serve! For an army will be raised. The powerful will be ripped from their decadent nests, and cast out into the uncaring battlefield that we know and endure. Courts will be convened. Spoils will be enjoyed! Blood will be shed! The Militia will survive, as they learn to serve true justice. This great Imperium... it will endure. Terra will survive.

>>52283526
How is he the fastest? IIRC he didn't have any movement-related rule beside moe through cover

>>52284573
I think he means initiative.

>>52284573
Initiative 5

>>52284610
>>52284614
Ah, that make sense.

>>52284168
And drill out your barrel. Great shot, though.

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>>52283610
Needs to look less like a chainfinger and more like a titan's chainfist or the Solar Auxilia Ogryn dude's fist full of sawblades.

What would be the best way to deliver Scoria to the opponent's zone?

>>52284716
By hand.

Can Imperial Fists Terminator command squads carry Storm Shields? Doesn't say that they can, but it feels like they should.

>>52284716
Vorax scouting/scouting

>>52284748
Command squads should be ICs, and each book that passes they are ignored by FW, whom are busy presumably forgetting to add Misericordias and such.

>>52284852
They were. It got changed. FW did the opposite of ignoring them. They clarified the rule.

>>52284888
They changed them for the worse, Khorne trips :'(
Not being characters they lack lots of stuff.

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>>52280601
I just used the custodian guide in the BoP paint book, and the black is just black, with dark reaper, then an AP medium grey.

>>52283610
Chain Bayonets as fingers

>>52284933
Oh I absolutely agree. I wanted to convert up an elite squad of bikers all with power glaives. But it wasn't in the cards, so they got two swords two axes and a fist.

What's a good load out for a Terminator Command Squad to accompany a Primarch?

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>>52276028
>using boxnauts instead of glorious resin

>>52285038
depends on the primarch, and the legion special gear or terminators available.

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>PA Praetor can have PF and paragon blade
>TDA Praetor can't

>>52285076
Even just on invulnerable saves and ability to sweep, and mobility options, pretty much every praetor except an imperial fists one is flat worse.

The only reasons you take one are IF for the storm shield, or if you're trying to unlock terminator command squads without a primarch.

Suggest changes to my army list, /hhg/. I want to start building and buying.

3000 Points – Imperial Fists and Adeptus Custodes

~Imperial Fists Primary Detachment~

~HQ~
Praetor – 165
-Cataphractii Armour
-Solarite Power Gauntlet
-Teleportation Transponder

~Elites~
Legion Veteran Squad – 250
-Legion Vexilla
-2 Plasma Guns
-Sergeant w/Artificer Armour & Power Fist
-Rhino DT

Legion Cataphractii Terminator Squad – 265
-Teleportation Transponder
-4 Terminators w/ Power Fists and Vigil Storm Shields
-1 Terminator w/Power Fist and Iliastus Assault Cannon

~Troops~
Legion Tactical Squad – 200
-Legion Vexilla
-Nuncio Vox
-Sergeant w/Artificer Armour & Combi-Melta
-Rhino DT

Legion Tactical Squad – 200
-Legion Vexilla
-Nuncio Vox
-Sergeant w/Artificer Armour & Combi-Melta
-Rhino DT

~Heavy Support~
Legion Heavy Support Squad - 165
-Missile Launchers
-Augury Scanner

Legion Artillery Tank Squadron – 280
2 Legion Basilisk Tanks

~Lord of War~
Cerastus-Knight Acheron – 415

~Adeptus Custodes Allied Detachment~

~HQ~
Legio Custodes Shield Captain – 220
-Digital Lasers
-Paragon Spear

~Elites~
Achillus Dreadnought – 240
-Achillus Dreadspear

~Troops~
3 Custodes w/guardian spears – 300
-Grav-Carrier DT
3 Custodes w/guardian spears – 300
-Grav-Carrier DT

>>52285104
And Sallie praetors can gt the shield without wearing termie armour.
2+/3++ T6 EW jetbiker wooooi!

>>52285071
I'm looking for a squad to go with Perty

>>52285045
>using eggnoughts instead of boxnoughts
>using deimos rhinos instead of mars ones
>using land raiders that aren't phobos pattern
>using javelins instead of the humble mars speeder
I bet you use jetbikes and volkites too, fag.

>>52285111
swap one of the custodes squads for sentinels because of staying power, and the basilisk for medusas. If the HSS is for anti-aricraft work get a deredeo instead, it is more accurate and better at punching light armor, and only loses out shooting at PA bodies. Heavy Armor will be a significant concern for you, and spartans or landraiders in number could give you headaches.

Otherwise looks fairly standard, and you have a decent amount of scoring. What RoW are you using?

>>52285122
Salamanders and Iron Hands are blessed with access to the best defensive gear, and IH characters can still make praetor punchy without having to give up a hand.

>>52285165
Sentinels and medusas cost more, and I want to be able to cram in the Knight and the full array of Custodes minis. Might drop the Heavy Support squad altogether to free up some room. They were going to be the artillery bodyguards and dedicated anti-tank, but their points could maybe be better spent elsewhere. I also might leave out the Terminator squad and just park the Praetor with someone else.

No RoW, I couldn't find one that fits.

>>52285111
Maybe swap the basilisks for Medusae, as although the penis extension gun IS prety iconic, the other is better.
Melta Bombs on your sarges is probably better than a combi-melta.
Missiles are mediocre without any form of buffing, even with tank hunters, for the points you could bring a dorito, some predators or a mortis dread.
The better troop choice for Custards is the sword/board, as they have much greater staying power than the spears have killyness.
Otherwise, seems alright. The biggest waste of points in your army is the praetor and his cataphracts, which don't really fit in anywhere. They'll deepstrike, true, but all your opponents will be shooting their ap2 weapons at the actually threatening units, i.e. custards, while the small arms will be pointed at your cataphracts, who both gain nothing from your investment in shields and are also a Knight's worth of points, to say nothing of killpoints and slay the warlord. I strongly suggest swapping the entire unit out. You're not using a Rite, and your Custards should be able to handle most CC, so consider using a Siege Breaker, Forge Lord or similar, shooty HQ choice.

>>52285156
He's forced to walk. Take tyrant seige terminators and make good use of his cognis-signum on them, find any way possible to start them in a forward position as they'll be slow to get anywhere.

>>52285223
Yeah, looks like the Sentinels may find their way in at the expense of the terminators.

Siege Breakers and other consuls can't be your primary HQ, though, otherwise I'd have definitely taken one. The plan at the moment is to just park a cheap Praetor in a tank with the Custodes, if that's allowed. Either that or have him sit on the backfield.

>>52285243
Forgelords, Siege Breakers, Chaplains, Vigilators and Delegatus are compulsory choices, friendo. Plus vanilla Centurions, who do not have to take a consulhood.

>>52285275
Oh fuck, misread the rules. Those dudes don't have the LSO special rule.

Thanks

>>52285232
He can deepstrike though

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Does anyone run dreads with dual purpose or is it single purpose all the time?

With the osiron dread coming with mandatory force sword, I kinda want to see if I can make a force fist + chain fist melee dread. The bolter in the chain fist likely needs to be swapped with something else like melta probably, since I can't turn that fist bolter to shoot asphyx shells.

Probably too expensive right?

>>52285045
what if use resin boxnaughts?

>>52285468
Way expensive, for the cost of an Osiron properly kitted out you're looking at close to 250, for which you could have a kitted out unit of vets in a rhino or nearly two Cortus dreads. That doesnt mean its bad, however, since any GK/BA player will tell you that dreads with psykery are amazing. I would recommend giving it either fist+sword for melee strength, lascannon+sword or Assault Cannon+sword, and then have it lead a few regular dreads with various weapons as a sort of dreadforce.

>>52285045
Porque no los dos?

>>52285076
Don't remind me. I want to my SoH Praetor to be armed like Horus.

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>>52285559
I thought lascannons in general were nonos for dreads due to lack of fire rate on a expensive and fragile platform?

Osiron dreads in general seems awful, but I do think it's super neato as a concept

>>52285648
TL-Lascanns on BS5 dreads are godly, especially with Tank Hunters.

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My first Knight Crusader is almost done. Just gotta do the base, light weathering, and waterslides.

>>52285836
Looks pretty good. Maybe do your definition lines with a wash first to get a fade instead of just solid black.

The photo is too high-res to be flattering, but on the table I'm sure it will look great.

>>52285718
Does anyone ever take Mortis dreads with las cannons? I've only seen kheres and autocannon versions.

>>52285836
Is Crusader better than other (GW) patterns?

>>52285861
Don't reply to Tripfags.

>>52276090
if the imperium need firepower they send 2000 basilisk, not 5 custodes

>>52285869
It carries the most amount of Dakka and is the best allied Knight while also the one that will murder 20 Marines in a single turn

>>52285836
Thanks for sharing your picture with us Matt, I hope you find your time here on the Horus Heresy General welcoming.

>>52285718
I like them, since its almost guaranteed to hit and wound if an enemy MC/character is the last one standing. My contemptor-mortis has two kills on Vulkan, one kill on Alpharius or was it? and killed a Thanatar.

Also sometimes they get ignored by an enemy player. Lascannon dreads are relatively mobile, long-ranged and no-one wants, for example, their av11 sides exposed on a plasma predator squadron, which an opponent made the mistake of leaving exposed turn one because they were on the other side of the map. I got one weapon destroyed (the plasma cannon) and one explosion result, which nearly made back its points twice over on turn one. They might not be the very best, but they can be devestating when you factor in their accuracy, reliability and raw power.
>>52285868
They're more likely to get an explodes result, and have much longer range than Kheres. Kheres is great for mulching HP, but its short range and no AP value to speak of means it cant ever get an explodes and an enemy can exploit its short range to dodge interceptor

>>52285870
Don't tell me how to live my life.

>>52285923
He's telling you how to post or how to not post.

Do not reply to tripfags

>>52285986
Why not?

(I'm not being facetious. I'm barely ever on here. Why is this a rule?)

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Hey /hhg/, how would you paint this armour?

>>52286029
Lurk moar.
Do not reply to tripfags

>>52286060
Iron with crimson shades?

it probably warrants some experimentation, but my gut reaction is metal with carraburg crimson shaded in.

>>52286092
More like iron than FW's grey then? FW's paint scheme seems boring to me

>>52286060
Burn a holy text and use its ashes along with the crushed bones of a sacrificial animal to make your pigment, that way it'll be more authentic than anyone else.

>>52286092
Childish nonsense, even for an Ecuadorian calligraphy board. Got it. I'll reply to whomever I like.

>>52286060
Leadbelcher
Red
Black wash it all
Dry brush leadbelcher or some other metal
Seraphim sepia

>>52286122
Then get a trip so you can be filtered off as well.

lurk moar

>>52286106
definitely metalics. I'm not sure why FW decided to make them look so spacewolfy in color on their models.

>>52286127
What red would you use? (Speaking in the citadel range I mean) also it would be really thinned, am I wrong?

>>52277919
I don't know why but when I search -earthshade, I get bunch of tyranid stuff. It might be because the red terror was on a planet called Devlan, so it's potentially related.

>>52286160
You never answered my question.

I bet you don't even paint your models.

>>52286251
Why are you quoting me?

>>52286160
You realize that your childish behavior and lack of explanation is making me WANT to reply to tripfags, where once I was neutral, right?

Is there a way to get a squad of Destructors all with the same weapons without buying three sets? Nobody really seems to sell Mechanicum bits.

>>52286295
This board is anonymous. Names are meant for some people such as scanon. "Matt" or "king of yiffs" lacks of that sense

Who do you think is the best HQ and why?

Oh, no Primarchs and Scoria.

>>52286334
Salamanders Praetor in cataphractii. Hammer and Shield.

Just pure, dumb durability. Also EW on a non named character is fucking great.

>>52286295
Don't care what you want.

Do not reply to tripfags and lurk moar

>>52286334
objectively? it'd probably be the custard supreme

>>52286324

Scanon posts anonymously anyway, as do any of the other anons who have had a name conferred upon them by the board because of the quality of their content. The only people who trip or namefag are attention-seekers who contribute nothing.

>>52286334

The most overpowered by dint of being unkillable enough to take primarchs is >>52286347. Toughest legion praetor is >>52286344, best for deleting large numbers of enemy models is probably BA with the sword of double wounding. Best named character in a fight is Siggy, most utility outside of mechanicum is probably Dynat (especially as his bonuses still apply if you take Alpharius).

>>52286334
Archmagos Archimandrite, with Djinn-Skein and Occularis. Expensive, but he buffs a damn sight better than most Primarchs, and you can make him as durable as you like.

If he was an IC, the Secutarii Axiarch would get an honourable mention. Damn cheap for what you get, which is basically a mini-Alpharius or mini-Ferrus, with really cheap wargear (5pt Power Fist on a 3W IWND 3A marine, possibly with PE: Infantry? Count me in.)

>>52286356
Not all were bad. There was KA, and Uni, Breadanon, RGbro and Alacran. All gone now. All we have left is cancer.

>>52286394

KA, Breadanon and RGbro all posted anonymously at least most of the time.

>>52286334
Warlord-Sinister Pattern Battle Psi-Titan.
You never stated that we couldn't use any force org we wanted.

What 3-color combo would you guys recommend for a Necron-themed heretek AdMech?

>>52286655
Lurid Green for weaponry, bare silver for troops and silver with bronze/brass for leaders. Super-sized weaponry, i.e. Thanatars, should be blue, melee should be red and brass.

Your idea is probably awful, Scoria already has some necron shit, lets leave him as the designated insane heretek with necro-tech

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Did weathering and basing but I'm not happy with the herald shield. Gonna clean it up later and apply waterslides.

>>52286793
I always wonder why mud gets on the top of a Knight/tank/etc, i could understand shell markings and actual battle damage but how does mud get on the top carapace?

>>52286810
Usually explosions and such launch mud/debris at vehicles.

It's very common in the real world; explosives from afar or up close will launch shit hundreds of feet in seconds.

>>52286823
Huh, the more you learn. I had the mental image of a Knight Scion instructing his serfs to apply appropriate amounts of mud to his suit for the proper look of battle-wear before being inspected by the generals

What Legion/RoW do you guys think would match with Mechanicus ally the best? I have hard time finding one because many RoWs seems to forbid allies.

>>52286864
Questoris Knights and Iron Hands.

Imperial Fists for the reclamation of Mars.

>>52286334
While they're not best (others have covered that) I think the Sister of Silence HQs are perhaps the most points-efficient. The generic one gets you a fighty character with a paragon blade for under 100 points, which is pretty decent. Then there's Krole, who I reckon should beat pretty much anyone without Eternal Warrior, for the price of an average praetor (paragon blade + halo). They're obviously not shield tribune tier, but for the points you spend I think they're damn good value.

Been doing some reading on the First Legion. Apparently the Lion himself was described as kingly and surprisingly good at Terran politics while his Legion has the second most victories despite when he was found. What would have happened if he had been found first or just not spent his first ten years in a hellish rape forest made of pure evil and chaos?

>>52286464
Still a Lord of War, not an HQ, even in the Leviathan force org

So, is Sisters of Silence effectively harmful to the E as well?

IIRC there was super-Null Assassin that Erebus sent to kill the E, so maybe?

>>52287003
I doubt it, all teh sisters that were left on Prospero couldn't stop Magnus pulling off an unprecedented bit of psykery and they actually seem fairly shit from the books. They have to get pretty close before they have any effect on psykers, I think they aren't cut out for battlefields though.

>>52287003
The Emperor probably can't use powers on them directly and they might put some limit on what he can pull off, but that's about it.
In Rise of the Primarch, Magnus can cast his psychic powers just fine, but he can't harm the SoS directly with them. He throws a pile of dead TS and marines at the SoS and kills a bunch with it. I imagine it's not much different for the Emperor

One small thing about the Lion that I thought was kind of neat: every other primarch refers to his legionaries as his "sons", but the Lion calls them his "little brothers". I thought that was a nice touch, given his origins in a knightly order, and perhaps shows he's not the social outcast he's sometimes implied to be.

>>52286793
I never understood how a knight can target multiple targets with all its weapons. It's only got one pilot and I don't know how sophisticated its targeting systems are. Feels weird for it to bombard distant targets with missiles, hammer some unit with a battle cannon, BRRRRT some light vehicles, pepper an infantry squad with a heavy stubber, flame a unit next to it and use a meltagun on their transport. All at the same time.

>>52287376
Yeah, I agree. It's especially weird when a tank with one crewman for each weapon can only shoot a single target.

> WS 4 S4 I4 AP3 Fearless troop with Infiltrate or Crusader for 12pts/model

Aren't they pretty decent even without anti-Psyker stuff?

>>52287397
While another tank with one (or more) crew per weapon CAN target multiple targets.

They should make a rule similar to the PotMS that lets a unit split their fire even among two targets (but no additional weapon at full BS type stuff). Hell, they could even use that to give attack bikes the ability to fire their TL bolters and heavy weapon without silly "1 weapon per rider on the bike," because that's just asking to be abused.

>>52287376

>something something machine spirit

>>52286029
Because it starts drama.
This site works on an anonymous system. You belong by being part of the mass. The unknown, unseen mass.

Trying to give yourself a name to be recognised is like those girls that say the are girls because deep down they want recognition. It's the internet, I don't give a shi if you have tits or that your name is Matt.
And knowing who you talk to ALWAYS end up in drama sooner or later.
Look up some /vg/ treads for example.

In short, Tripfags are needy drama queen that want to get a cult of personnality (barring a few exceptions like a writefag/drawfag posting his work, or Duke for Chapter master) and are therefore in exact opposition to the very essence of 4chan.