Warhammer 40,000 /40kg/

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First for Imperial Fists

Is "Start Collecting! Orkz" worth it? I want it mainly for painmob formation

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WARHAMMER 40,000: CHAOS SPACE MARINES
Q: What is the maximum charge range of a Helbrute that
has just performed a Deep Strike as part of the Mayhem Pack
Formation – is it 12" or 0"?
A: Units that have arrived from Deep Strike Reserve
cannot charge in the turn they do so, unless a rule
explicitly states otherwise. Once the Helbrutes have
arrived from Deep Strike Reserve, roll on the Crazed
table for them and apply the result as normal – for the
purposes of Blood Rage the Helbrutes’ charge range is
still considered to be 12".

What does this mean? Can they charge or not?

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Does anyone here get seriously triggered by the way certain bits are packaged
>deathwing terminators
>has all the parts to make a set of shooty terminators, or a command squad, or a knight squad
>don't want those weapons and bodies to go to waste
>will need to get two more sets of vanilla terminators to utilize everything that comes in the deathwing set
>devastators
>comes with 12 weapons
>w-well, I guess I need to get an additional six marines to utilize them all
>oh well I guess that means I'll need a full tactical squad's worth
it's like a never ending chain from one set to another, in order to complete what is incomplete

>>52286760
This is why metal models in blisters were better, you could build the kind of Devastator squad you wanted without needing to pay for the extra bits you don't need.

>>52286771
>This is why metal models in blisters were better, you could built 5 man monopose clone squads.

>>52286744
deff dreads are shit, it's fine otherwise.

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We march for Macragge!

>>52286746
If they roll a blood crazed.

>>52286746
>Units that have arrived from Deep Strike Reserve
cannot charge in the turn they do so, unless a rule
explicitly states otherwise.
>Can they charge or not?
kys

>>52286783
>orks are shit, it's fine otherwise
ftfy

>>52286786
>muh crack

ehehehe power fisting muh crack

Kindly no Gathering Storm. If that is your cup of tea, please go elsewhere, especially if you're just going to shill or troll. For all intents and purposes, it's not the same universe.

>>52286833
You joke now, but GW is continually driving the crowbar between a decent portion of the fans and the collective. The idea of considering nothing after 5/6th edition canon in terms of writing, collaboration and worldbuilding for shit like, say, the PnP or the like is becoming more common.

>>52286783
More shit than killa kans?
I mean whole unit seems pretty shitty, because Nobz + Boyz

Seriously speaking are we looking at more of End Times or Storm of Magic?
Looking to start collecting and I don't want to throw money at shelf destined models or stuff I'd have to wind up selling

>>52286904
twice the cost, worse BS, no better mobilty

>>52286949
>Seriously speaking are we looking at more of End Times or Storm of Magic?
#ASKGW

>I don't want to throw money at shelf destined models or stuff I'd have to wind up selling
That's the entire 40k line.

>>52286904
I don't know why people don't field more grot tanks and Mek guns. They're surprisingly worth the meager cost in points

I have a couple of questions regarding Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplains
1. Is it a good idea to place a chaplain in a plasma-oriented squad when facing CSM, in order to re-roll gets hot rolls through Preferred Enemy?
2. Deathwing Terminators have Hatred against CSM, allowing them to reroll to hit on the first round of close combat. Chaplains have Zealot, which does the same thing, giving the ability to reroll to hit on the first round of close combat, among other effects. Do these stack, does one become useless?

>>52286963
Grot tanks are FW rules and FW models (or scratchbuilt)

Mek guns are FW priced models (or scratchbuilt)

>>52286967
>Do these stack
No

>>52286989
You're implying people would take issue in Orks using FW rules as opposed to other armies?
You obviously wouldn't buy anything official, at the very least the actual guns for the meks and scratch build the carriages

>>52286807
WELL IS BLOOD RAGE A RULE LIKE THAT OR NOT???

>>52286805
Oh ok, thanks.

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How do you find time to paint?

May Day starts at 0700, with gym and work at 0900 to 1700 then university from 1800 to 2200. Monday to Friday. Weekends I have to juggle between family, random weekend work, study, life in general.

Worst part I suck at painting even after decades of it.

>>52287044
get a leadbelcher pot man

>>52287020
They might be opposed to early 5th edition rules in a late 7th edition game.

>>52287044
Same as with other hobbies, it's to fill idle time, if you've no idle time there's nothing to do.

>>52287044
If I ever find time to watch TV I just do it then

>>52287064
There are alot of 5th edition borne rules that are still in use, if they have hull point values you're fine

>>52287084
Anon I don't even have a tv anymore, unless you count the computer monitors.

>>52287044
>family
do less with them. best decision i made and now i have more time for my minis

>>52287106
Ofcourse I'm referring to a computer monitor nobody owns a TV anymore

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>>52287044
I painted my Mechanicus stuff between jobs when I got to live the NEET life for a few glorious months.

What do you guys think of Eternal Crusade now that it has bike free to play?

I like the animations, but I wasn't able to find a match.

>>52287167
It's F2P because it's dead

>>52287114
Sorry to hear you had a disfunctional family.

>>52287126
Do people even have computer monitores and proper battle stations? Or are we the last of our kind?

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>>52286833
>I don't like change WAAAAAHHHHH
>GW must do exactly what I want WAAHAHHHH
leave

>>52286746
They can't charge. But for the purposes of the Blood Rage rule their charge range is still considered to be 12". So if you're within 12" of an enemy you don't have to run and are still able to shoot.

>>52286760
>tfw havoc boxes come with five weapons
>have to pay $100 to get all the weapon choices
>tfw you have to cut off bolter parts to get them on a csm squad

>>52286963
people actually do, you know? I mean my meta loves to spam mek gunz, they bring s8 ap2 to the table.

>>52287217
All you need are autocannons anon

>>52286949
>Looking to start collecting and I don't want to throw money at shelf destined models or stuff I'd have to wind up selling
Start chaos you'll be fine or space marines you'll be fine

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>>52287217
>not realizing the fickle Chaos Gods are based on the fickle corporation that sells you plastic crack

>>52287231
Bikes and mek guns are like the only functional ork army.

>>52287253
>bikes/mek gunz/deffkoptaz/tankbustaz+trukk/burna+trukk
fixed, though burnaz in a truk are purely suicidal unit

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I'm doing Siege of Terra WEs, would you consider this enough to represent 40Kharn or is it too obviously 30Kharn?

Should I just pick up the 40Kharn model?

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>>52286638
What do you guys think about my battleforged list for the tournament?

One of the rules is that the list needs to be fluffy so i decide to mane a Slaanesh army.

>>52287263
Looks great Anon, I'd use him in 40k. Kharn (and most CSM) have a shit ton of legacy armor from their Heresy days, he'd fit right in.

>>52287268
I think you're setting yourself up to get tabled by a tyranid player.

Never question GW business decisions!

>>52287288
Any ideas how to make it better? Point limit is 1500 and i have month to work on my army.

>>52287377
>not creating a space ship to avoid arrest.

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Is this viable at all or am I trying too hard to make cataphractii work

>>52286949
Storm of Magic and Storm of Chaos aren't the same thing.

>>52287314
Don't play Slaanesh CSM.
Literal, literal trash.
Just not meant to be played this edition and was just BARELY passable in the past due to leadership shenanigans when paired with heldrakes.

So Im making some heavy stubber teams for my LatD army, but Im having a problem: how do I model them? I have 2 heavy stubbers from chimeras and 1 cultist with it, but I have no idea how I should model them. Guess put the cultist on a 40mm base and add some wire/sandbags/whatever, but how about the chimera stubbers? I dont have any kneeling models.

>>52287613
>emperors children
>not playable

>>52286760
Nope, as a guard player I need every marine player to throw unused bits in the bits bin. Because that is the only way I can get enough meltaguns and plasma guns. Be happy to have extra bits.

>>52287636
>implying sonic weaponry range allows EC to be playable
Dude just face the facts, it's purely fluffy and not worth getting advice for. No matter what it'll still underperform. Tired of seeing this stupid Cockaphoney list

>>52286760
>Play SoB, Inquisition and IG
>What are extra bits

Privilege the post. Fucking marine players they have options and bitch.

>>52287314
Remember that every unit with an icon of excess has 4+ feel no pain, which is almost as ridiculous as decurion reanimation. Put your lords on bikes, put them in a bike squad and give the squad icons for T5 lords with 4+ feel no pain. Put the terminators into the trash where they belong.

Also probably bring a heldrake so you can actually do anything at all if a flyer shows up.

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haven't really played since 5th

>>52286760
Wait, you mean you have WEAPONS OPTIONS? I have to salvage guard bitz and cut up my cultists to use them, becasue the only guardsmen are veterans in my army. And sometimes squad leaders.
>t.Lost and the Damned player

I'll repost this for the new thread:

Okay so with a bit of further analysis, excluding unit champions and upgrades and comparing only and equivalent points value of CSM and Rubric Marines (13 Rubric Marines compared to 23 CSM), the Rubrics will edge out in most scenarios except if the enemy has a 4+ cover save or better.

Furthermore if we compare wounds per point of a Rubric Marine with a Soul Reaper Cannon and a CSM with a plasma gun they are quite equally matched, with the Rubric pulling ahead at long ranges and the Plasma Gun at rapid fire range but only by very close margins.

With this we can identify that the main culprit of the Thousand Sons overcostedness is the Sorcerer. Though some small points decreases on the rubrics and they're uppgrades would be good to compensate for their reduced flexibility compared to the CSM.

My proposition is thus that the Sorcerer should be made more similar to the Scarab Occult sorcerer, and be given a second wound, possibly a second mastery level and unquestionably be allowed to roll his one power on disciplines other than Tzeentch.

I'd also propose to change the Icon of Flame to grant some cover mitigating qualities, it would make it worth taking in general, with with the overarching theme of fire weapons negating cover and be a good way to make up for the biggest thing holding back Rubric Marine shooting.

>>52287778
>trying to rationalise this hard

>>52287750

Are you using Traitor Legion rules? You should.
Sorcerer doesn't really fit in anywhere. He'd be better hiding in a bike unit, on a bike.
Marines should really be in Rhinos to avoid getting shot away.
Take Vindis naked, they don't need the extra stuff.

>>52286760
>Still only have one Aspect warrior kit in plastic
>Every single Eldar kitbash has those retardedly rigid and awkwardly angled Exarch weapons
>Meanwhile my friend bashed together his Chapter Master from 6 different kits.

If they bother you so much, sell them online or give them out at your LGS.

>>52287778
Okay that's nice, why don't you tell it to someone who is actually involved in the game design of 40k, rather than a turkish oil wrestling forum?

>>52287787
Got a counter argument? Preferably one based on math.

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>>52287806
It's ok anon. They're a garbage unit. It's ok.

>>52287800
Unfortunately I do not live in bongland.
Well I do have relatives there so maybe I'll stop by there while visiting them some day.

so I want to build a rather fluffy AM army

do you think there are Planetary Onslaught building that a worth taking? maybe a bunker or a fire point for HWT?

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Thinking of getting back into the game, and threw this together at the office this morning while I should have been working.

Viable in 7e, or should I wait for 8e to see what gets buffed and nerfed?

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Am I playing CSM right yet?
Don't know whether to attach the lord to the Spawn or the bikes.

>>52287268
Where is your anti tank/flyer.

>>52287750
I'd give you about 3 turns vs basically anything.

>>52287837
needs more cultists/10

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>>52286744
Its not bad. Could be better, but that's like everything with Orks.

>>52287835
if you start now, start small 8th should hit soon, but rhinos and tac squads wont go away

>>52287755
>Waahh I have to do sweet ass kitbashing to make a unique as hell army for my Army: the Customizing.

I wish more factions had this option desu, but I started with Inquisition, so I have Acolytes ranging from Beastmen, Guardsmen kit bashed with Fantasy, Redemptionists (Necromunda), Chaos Cultists. It's my favorite part of the hobby

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are female space marines inevitable?

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>>52287263

>Should I just pick up the 40Kharn model?

Doesn't matter, but it's a good model.

>>52287636
I'm a noob wanting to play EC, using mostly marines as I'd like to be fluffy toward the actual legion.

Can I look at your, or whichever one you were thinking about, list to conpare?

>>52287864
I guess T6 spam doesn't really matter anymore?

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>>52287750
Here you go.
Look up all the special rules that the Vectorium and Death Guard legion provide, it's the best available to CSM.

>>52287944

>Is a faction that no one is asking for inevitable?

GW may be retarded, but they are not this retarded.

>>52286744

I bought the start collecting and the truck boyz box last week and played two games with it.
the formation is pretty good but the Deff Dred never made it into combat in both games. not because he was destroyed but my nobz and boyz tabled the enemy before he could walk there.

>>52287930
Im not really whining, the best part of LatD is the fact that you can take any humanoid model and with some grenstuff and bitbashing you can get a really nice conversion. My only problem is that the cultists are snapfit, so I have to cut them up with my hobby knife to give them something. Thats why I never do it and send my platoons bare bones or with a vox caster max. Also, I suck at painting so I can just drybrush models with Typhus Corrosion and say it fits becasue its nurgle : ^ ).

>>52287973
conveniently enough I have everything in this list -but- the spawn, substitutions?

>>52287837
Your warband is illegal, needs terminators
The bike squad is far too small and will get obliterated.

>>52287778
>change the Icon of Flame to grant some cover mitigating qualities

Depending, reduce cover saves by 1 like Omniscopes? Sure.

Ignore Cover? No.

Personally I'd be fine if the began the Sorcerer became optional and so long as the Rubric unit has a Psyker attached they replace Slow and Purposeful with Relentless.

>but but that's not fluffy! They're supposed to be slow and clumsy.

Just like how GW removed Wraithsight from Wraithguards?

>>52287993
Yup. I know your pain of snapfit Cultists. Got about 30 of them as bolter acolytes

>>52287967
A bigger problem is the general impotence of that list. You've got exactly 3 units that are going to do anything appreciable to vehicles, flyers or monstrous creatures in the shooting phase and they're vehicles which are going to die in the first enemy shooting phase.

>>52287997
It's the cheapest possibly auxiliary and the only you'll be able to fit in that list without losing a chunk of it. Just convert your own.
That list will have problems with flyers, just a heads up. Might have to drop some stuff to fit an ADL and a quad gun if they're prominent in your meta.

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>>52288015
I just love the models so much though. Especially those two. And Dark Vengance is a godsend, so many people sell their cultists for pennies, and I need a lot of those to distract people for my hotshot veterans.

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Need some help fluffing DKoK for a HoR kill team.

First, what would be a fitting name for them? A group of up to just several hundred maximum, more trained than average, doing special operations of some kind with their own independent base. Was there anything like that in WW1? Would I call it like "The 1078th Deathkorps Ranger Company" or something along those lines? Will be heavy on combat engineers.

And second, would a soldier be named a number from birth and I would use that, or would they be assigned a number after joining a regiment/whatever or both? Basically do I do "Engineer #0001" to start or "#720915340 the Engineer".

>>52287997
Put a big clump of green stuff on a base and paint it. Call it a spawn.

>>52287984
No one worth listening wanted a plot advancement. They did it anyway thanks to a vocal minority.
Now we have 5 books of fluff rape with no actual plot advance disguised as one.

>>52288002
Yes I was thinking something like an Omnicope, Ignores Cover would be way over the top.

Though it would be nice for it to at least feel a little different even if it wasn't any more effective, even then all the other options seem too extreme. Something conditional might work though, like -2 cover vs enemies effected by friendly psychic powers. Omniscope knockoff still seems like the safest bet.

>>52288040
As far as I know, Krieger`s numbers are the numbers of clones, so the second option.

>>52288036
I /hate/ beefy cultists.
Why the fuck is everything on steroids in today's 40k.

>>52288040
In regards to the first point, sounds like good old Stoßtruppen to me, aka stormtroopers.

>>52288040
If they're spec ops engineers definitely name them something along the lines of Sappers, or "Sapper Corps". US forces employ front line combat engineers of the same name.

>>52288063
Chaos is a hell of a drug.

more female space marines, female guardsmen miniatures, and tau waifus

>>52288063
I mostly like the strong arm lad for the mask since he has a mark of nurgle on it. But some cultists probably work in a manufactorum, so they might be a bit buff. And the fact that the stubber guy is buff makes it more fluff friendly to explain why he has 2 wounds (using him on a 40mm base as a heavy weapon team in a platoon)

>>52288100
>>52288112
I see most cultists as lanky, malnourished murdering hive scum. Desperate for survival. There are exceptions ofcourse, especially being a cultist marked by Khorne or perhaps undivided.

Does anyone think about how many points you spend on bodies compared to wargear?

My 1500 list is 995 points buying models, 505 points buying wargear.

>>52288063
But anon it is 2017 you have to be Politically correct and have "Healthy at every size". That is why SoS are paper thin to the levels of anorexia and new SoB are fat.

Next edition is going to have female space marines with "I'm unique and special" hair cuts.

Hey /tg/, Modelling question time !
I need to equipe a Company Master with a relic blade, a Storm bolter (foe smitter, i'm looking at you) and a stormshield, for a Lion's Blade Strike force. Problem, is that The mini has only two arms. Any advice ?

>>52288160
If you're buying more gear than bodies you just have to be certain the wargear you're buying almost doubles their survivability otherwise you're wasting your points on few units that will get wiped. So generally if you're being provided with psyker efficiency, invuln/FNP or something along the lines of stealth you aren't truly being provided for. Cover/armor saves are negligable nowadays.

>>52288158
To be fair cultists are the cream of the crop as far as baseline human worshippers before you get into stuff like traitor guard. You wanna see some malnourished proles you call in any of the troops choices from the Renegades and Heretics list.

>>52288158
It depends on a world that they are from. Hive world? Probably something that you said, probably nurgle or khorne or nurgle. Agri world? Strong and bulky from all the work, any god can be here apart from maybe tzeentch. Highborn? Good weapons and stuff, alligned to the birdman or slaanesh. Of course its not a rule, any god can get its tendrils/tentacles/strong arms/plagues on any world.
>>52288200
Renegades and Heretics can also employ cultists as Renegade Infantry Platoon. They are worse then CSM ones, but with some updates can be upped to guard level, but better becasue of chaos devotions.

>>52288181
Storm shield on offhand, sword or bolter in main hand and the other slung at the hip.
>Company Master
I assume you mean chapter master?

Would you actually be OKAY with female space Marines? What would be a natural way to write them in?

>>52288181
relic blade at his back maybe?

>>52288181
>Sheathed Sword
>Holstered / Strapped Stormbolter
>Shield is on his back / strapped to his arm, leaving his hand free.
>Use a Grey Knight's left arm that has a wrist Storm Bolter.
>Have a Watcher in the Dark on his base holding his Shield / Sword / Gun

Skys the limit

>>52288248
they would probably look just as normal space marines. and act the same too. no point in adding them but I wouldnt cry about it.

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>>52288222
>Renegades and Heretics can also employ cultists as Renegade Infantry Platoon. They are worse then CSM ones, but with some updates can be upped to guard level, but better becasue of chaos devotions.
Literally what I said.

>>52288236
No, anon i mean Company master.Like in 1st Leg... Chapter.

>>52288266
>>52288251
Any bitz for these ? I'm not good with Greenstuff.

>>52288269
what Im saying is that RnH cultists arent just famished bunch of misfits and outcasts, it really depends on how you fluff/model them and I just realised thats what you said and Im sorry but my reading skills drop down to ork level before first coffee in the morning.

>>52287410
I assume you meant kroot war-sphere?

>>52288287
Take a relic blade and stick it on his back using some greenstuff or glue?

>>52288248
Numarines aren't what people speculated them to be
Numarines are just regular space Marines, except the transition from normal human bean to buffman is far more survivable and doesn't require a male subject anymore
Basically numarines are easier to produce space Marines that can be girls
Like Spartan III's

>>52288287
I meant bitz for sheated sword / holster bolter.

>>52286805
>>52287029

Holy fuck, learn to read.

No they can't charge. Read the fucking "blood rage" rule and consider what "for the purposes of" might possibly mean in that context. Fucking idiots. You must be American mixed-breed trash.

>>52288287
Honestly them your best bet is go Stormbolter + Storm Shield.
In the DA Terminator box there is a Watcher in the Dark with a Sword.

Get a 40mm base. Slap your Company Master and the Watcher on. Let the Watcher with the sword represent the Sword.

>>52288267
No, they would make them with super special snow flake hair like >>52287944 just to show they female just as cool if not better than male marines.

Some how immune to chaos corruption also.

10 new sets of female marines will be release while SoB still have models from 1997.

>>52288323
So going from nice bolter bitches to fat bolter bitches ?

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>>52288248
Would it even matter? FemMarines or not, you wouldn't even know it since they're in power armour anyway.
The only thing that would really happen would be poltards screaming in their hugbox about how they get opresssed, because there's now an additional choice of models.

>>52288337
Yes. Healthy at every size dude! Stop raping me! By not having sex with my fat ass xir!

>>52288291
>>52288269
Technically the only thing that differentiates between lowly cultist to ex-guardsman is the purhcase of weapons training. The "cultist" isn't trained either. It's either the squad is already trained or not. That's the chaos way.

>>52288181
Find a local Grey Knight player and ask/trade for/buy one of his spare wrist mounted storm bolter arms.

>>52288338
It won't be like that.
That is the problem. Unless you have them almost naked, outside of armour, or with boob armour there is no way to tell them apart from a male model at this scale.

So they will make boob marines, if they ever do female marines.

>>52288345
yeah, pretty much. I like to use all my guardsmen as vets though, mostly beacause how I fluff it and hotshot arms fits better on them.

>>52288248
The only acceptable way is if they are Chaos only, made by Fabius Bile and look indistinguishable from regular marines unless naked.

>>52288356
>boob marines
You're mistaking the new Emperor's Children / Noise Marines for being NuMarines.

Rember Fulgrim is the next Daemon Primarch.

>>52288248
There is male banshees and wyches, right? How about male SoB? We should have those too. I mean c'mon it's literally M41.

>>52288356
That would be SoB then. Or just making some upgrade kit containig female heads. Remember, GW still wants to make money out of it, and they would test the waters first with such a kit.

>>52288291
RnH baseline troops are specifically defined in their unit entries as being renegades from the lowest rung of society. You can upgrade them to be regulars, but otherwise they are the unwashed masses. Cultists are sort of a middle ground between renegades and traitor guard, hell you can upgrade your renegades to have the same statline as cultists if you like.

But you have to upgrade them to that level and I assume that's why cultists aren't a bunch of skinny, barely alive dregs.

>>52288356
Maybe not. In AoS we know that there are male and female stormcast, with one extremist chamber being entirely female, but model wise they're indistinguishable and GW has actually said that's how it will stay barring a possible special character.

There is yet a sign of reason

>>52288394
Well Fraternitas were a thing ca. M36, then Goge Vandire happened.

>>52288248
>gene splicing between marines and sisters of battle
>devotion and fanaticism of both in one body
>Rage, Fearless, It Will Not Die
I want this so fucking bad it's not even funny

>>52288399
The last proper SoB model was from 2004.

Vyridian was a one time only that utterly confuse GW and New Celestine need a FAQ badly.

To be honest I want more anything but marine shit. After decades even I that play marines got tired of having new shit while other players still have shit sold from the 90's. I wouldn't mind a decade of non marine stuff for everyone in 40k.

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First for orks

>>52288446
>Space marine players revealed to be powergaming faggot
HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE!

Memes aside,

are Burna boyz and Tankbustas even usable?
They only can get a 6+ armor save at best, right?
How will they ever get close enough to kill anything?

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>>52288407
Hate to be that guy, but it even says here they can be ex-guardsmen.

>>52288436
Well if Custodes, SoS and Tau are a thing. An army bigger than all those 3 combined having their own codex would not be surprising.

I find funny that GW gives such importance to the Tau when their entire empire is smaller than the realm of Ultramar.

>>52288490
I'll repeat it again.

You can upgrade them into being traitor guard, you can upgrade them into being better than regular guard. But that's with upgrades.

>>52288483
I'm not giving them Eternal Warrior or anything anon, just theorizing.

>>52287944

Does it really matter? Would female Space Marines ruin it for you?

>>52288521
Oh well, guess Im a retard. Im just quite used to it since I HAVE to give them all militia training becasue of my ArchDemagouge devotion.

>>52288487
Like anything in this game that doesn't have a re-Roll of the re-roll for the 2+ invulnerable feel no pain.

Put them in what ever transport you have. Rush B and hope something survives when the transport explodes so it can then do one round of shooting. Then die by the enemy turn with 3 shooting phases that ignore cover.

>>52288487
Transports. Not necessarily Trukks.

Big Traks (FW) and GunWagons (FW) would be best. Looted Wagons (WD) are better than Trukks.

Only problem is all of the above cannot be taken as DT so would need to either use your HS slots up or add an extra cheap CAD (Painboy, 2x Grots as compulsories?)

>>52288493
>I find funny that GW gives such importance to the Tau when their entire empire is smaller than the realm of Ultramar.
Because back then they wanted to attract people who like generic modern sci-fi instead of space fantasy from 80s.

>>52288493
It's funny that GW gives such importance to the realm of Ultramar when Tau empire achieves way more with way less.

>>52288530
>would the artistic integrity of ANOTHER setting being sacrificed on the altar of "diversity" to placate a screeching hysterical left who don't even play the game bother me?

Yes, yes it fucking would.

t. magic player
t. comic reader

>>52288532
Bloody-handed Reaver?
Have you tried using his chaos storm troopers? If so, how'd they do?

>>52288557
>1500 dudes in power armor, some fleet and couple millions of PDF are more than billions of tau, thousands of crisis suits and riptides.

>>52288530
Yes. The appeal of space marines is that they're a macho army that isn't comical like orks.
It's cool to play a boys-only club. It feels pure. Wholesome.

>>52288563
Except the comics that shove that shit down your throat absolutely bomb and are cancelled fairly quickly?

>>52288563
>t. comic reader
I feel you bro, I dont even read comics but I can see all the SJW bullshit like Female Thor.


>>52288574
Yeah, BHR.
I use 2 squads of granadiers, no carapace though. Mostly give them scout or deepstrike, 2 meltas in each squad. They do pretty good, BS4 is great. But its important to give them a vox, becasue otherwise random LD can fuck you up really bad. I like to stick them in cover and give them nurgle to compensate for lack of carapace. They are actually really good if they survive.

>>52288586
Holy shit that's pathetic. Ultramar squatted when?

>>52288321
I like this idea, but i need to be certain i won't be denied to play a Character on a 40mm base.
Any bitz for sheated Relic blade or holster storm bolter / bandolier storm bolter ? Just in case ?

>>52287999

You can take Chosen instead of termies.
Bikes have shrouded turn 1. If night fighting is also in play, they won't even need to jink.

Does anybody have that picture of the supposed "LEAKED" New space marine?

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>>52288615
Not until this guy draws breath.

>>52288593
Which is probably a good example of what we'd not like to see happen to our hobby.

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>>52288640

>>52288641
Robert is busy defending Terra. I bet Necrons/chaos/tau is going to annex Ultramar and/or it's devoured by 'nids by the end of the Gathering Storm.

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>>52288620
I still think getting some Grey Knight bits would be the best option.

Kaldor Draigo as proof of concept for your load out.

>>52288612
>>t. comic reader
>I feel you bro, I dont even read comics but I can see all the SJW bullshit like Female Thor.
>doesn't know female Thor was there for a few issues to bring Thor back to glory and also that this happened years ago
See, that's what happens if people just repeat memes. And even if by some timetravel/dimension shenanigans female and male Thor exist - what's the problem with it? You want to be reminded of that time Thor was a frog, or some space horse?

>>52288586
You are forgetting the important fact that Humans>Tau in every way.

Between Chaos Marines and Tau, the amount of plot armour is just silly.

Who I'm kidding this is plot armour the setting.

>>52288612
Oh god I had forgotten about the Thor thing.
Vocal minorities are such cancer.

If you entire persona depends on what people do in media you have bigger issues than not seeing your narrow world view represented.

>>52288671
its one of the things lad, did you forget [Unsolicited Opinions on Israel???]

>>52288668
I keep this idea in my mind. Good thing i bought some GK for the Imperial Agent Detachement.
And i could add a bit of fluff for my Comp. Master.

>>52288671
The issue was not Thor being female, but entire histeria of "this show female sell and are powerful" bullshit that came with it.

I'm sitting here wondering if they ever read/see/play anything else beside the triple A blockbuster Hollywood audience focus group test stuff.

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Hey anons, how big are Nob arms compared to Boy arms? Is there any noticeable difference? I want to give them all shootas since they're free for Nobz, but I think their sprue only comes with 2 Kombi-Rokkits and a Kombi-Skorcha.

Also this is a cool Warboss model.

>>52287268
I don't understand how the three parts are supposed to work. Right now it feels to me like you have 3 separate armies that does not gel well enough to make one cohesive whole.

CSM CAD - It's got a smattering of everything, I suppose. CSM to sit on objectives, bikers to rush forward and terminators with the lord to punch things in cc. Except that the bikes and terminators are too small in number to do anything of note. I'm not sure what you want to do with this to be honest.

The Kakophoni - I like the idea of the Kakophoni and these guys can sit and control the middle ground super easy. But you don't have enough Noise Marines. Get 6 and enjoy s5 sonic blasters and s9 blastmasters and really control the midline. Also, drop Lucius. He is largely useless.

Daemons of Slaanesh - this one confuses me the most, oddly enough. 10 Daemonettes, 5 seekers and a Masque is too small to do anything of note. At best they will absorb one turn of shooting and then they will either die or be so maimed they can't do anything. Of the three, I'd drop this detachment and use the points to buffing your CSM.

>>52288720
But stuff like this happens all the time. Some writer has an idea, turn it into some timetravel/alternate dimension story and see if it's popular enough to warrant its own series or inclusion into some team. If it doesn't, it will just never be mentioned again. Only thing is, GW has probably a harder time making retcons regarding their miniatures (inb4 squats). So if they bring female marines for some reason, it will probably be nothing more than a line in the codex, how you can make female marines now too. Maybe a kit with heads and shoulderpads for a female chapter, but do you really fear there's more to that? Same thing happened with Stormcasts, and noone bats an eye except the most spergtastic fa/tg/uys.

>>52288736
Very noticeably bigger.

>>52288736
It's pretty noticeable, nobs are girthier

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>>52288637
It's still illegal, the entire vectorium if not all of DG need MoN
Rhinos are just too flimsy anyway for you to depend on them. You should give your bikes melta weaponry so you can flank enemy armor.
If you insist on keeping them plasma you may be better off with lascannon havocs but you need mobile cover for them.

>>52288181
Model the Relic Blade as a spear and put the stormbolter on it. Or use the sword and still but the stormbolter on it.

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BTFO'd

>>52288802
As I say that I forget the MoN on sorc..

>>52288736
if you asking size in number, they are really smaller and make no sense in fluff.

>>52288040
German Stormtroopers. Prob the inspiration for Grenadiers

>>52287835
>File name reads Blood Angels.
>Open image
>First thing I see: Deathwing
>More greenwing
>some more greenwing
>Where's the blood angels?

This shouldn't trigger me as hard as it did. Goddammit.

>>52288789
Sigmarine started like that. The entire lore is what? 2-5 years old?

We have almost 3 decades of male marine only lore. No matter how they do it. It will feel forced. Like the gay men in Rogue One. Apperantly you can't have 2 men caring for each other or being very close friends without being gay. Specially in StarWars where people only fuck for reproduction.

>>52288796
>>52288801
Dang, looks like my dreams for a Nobstar with shootas and kombi-shootas, Power Klaws and Big Choppas is dashed. I'll have to give a few some sluggas then.

>>52288849
You should get used to the feeling

>>52288789
Well there is also no in universe reason for there not to be female Stormcast.

With Marines, the Emperor went out of his way to stop marines from reproducing without normal humans for fear they might replace them, which is why there are no female marines.
This is also part of Fabius Bile's story, has he wants to replace regular humans with a new breed of superior human, and having female marines would be a big step towards that.
Thus having female marines invalidates all of this unless they were made by Fabius Bile in his persuit of creating a better mankind.

So to reiterate, it's cool if Chaos does it.

>>52288849
Get to convertin ya git

>>52288894
But what if numarines are just snap-fit space Marines that can be gurls and have a low mortality rate in the conversion?

>>52288839
>>52287835
This anon plays Angels of Death.
True tears of joy

>>52288911
Then it flies in the face of existing lore, the Imperium's values and tramples on Bile's storyline.

It'd be shit.

>>52288911
Loyalist female marines would be stupid lore wise.

Chaos female marines are ok.

But since GW loves to rape lore recently I honestly wouldn't be surprise if they force them into existence.

Fucking Fires of fucking Cyraxus fucking when?

>>52288894
Guiliman and Cawl wouldn't know about the Emperors reasoning, would they?

Also, remember that GS3 talks about Guiliman using more powerful and terrible weaponry, so all this might just be MKVIII/IX suits for everyone with 30k weapons thrown into the mix

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>>52287944
But why? Space marines aren't even human males, why would there be female marines?

Space marines are and forever will be post human creatures that sexually identify as main battle tanks.

Space marines;
Do not have normal human DNA(anymore)
Have organs no human should have
Are physically larger and faster than any human
Are effectively permanently encased in armor(at least when not in for repairs or training)
Live far longer than a human
Fight things that no human can expect to fight and survive alone
They do not sleep
They do not fear
They are 9ft tall walking tanks filled with hate and disgust for the enemies of man. Their sole purpose and existence is to find and crush any threat to humanity.

The fact that they have a vestigial sexual organ between their legs is irrelevant to their purpose.

Asking for female space Marines is like asking for is like asking the US military to attach tits on an m1a1 Abrams tank because the cannon looks too phallic to you. It serves no purpose other than to give someone something to wank off too.

And to end this Reese normie rant, I fully support female guard and SOB models as making those would make sense.

>>52288955
sometime between 2 years and before plastic sisters of battle getting a proper update

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>>52288987
>Are effectively permanently encased in armor(at least when not in for repairs or training)
Lol wat.

>They do not sleep
They need sleep.

>They do not fear
Oh boy they do, they also cry and feel losses and compassion.

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>>52288987
GW: Nah it works

>>52289007
Why do you hurt me. I know that SoB last chance for plastic models was in 2004. With the last batch of Sister models.

>>52289034
Please tell me this is some HH book shit and not in inside the marine codex.


Horus Heresy books were a mistake BL can't write gods and Demi gods to save their life.

>>52289055
Guilliman and Vulkan literally always taught being humane.

>>52288248
I would be ok with anything but I would prefer new SoB plastic models

>>52289034
Effectively, as in it would be highly unlikely to see a marine without armor outside of a battle barge or a morgue assuming you can kill one.

As for emotions I was talking about their rule and they shall know no fear.

My point still stands that space Marines are post human tank-kin built for the defense of human kind.

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>>52288987
>"Alright Guardsmen, today we have a lesson with brother Philus from the Iron Hands about sexual identity. If you might want to start, brother Philus..."
>"I identify as Devestator class Space Marine. My sexual preferance is filling the Emperors enemies via Heavy Bolter and burning heretics alive with the inbuilt flamer in my hand. And I like long, hateful discussions about which enemy is the vilest of them all. You may call me brother Philus, but I'd prefer "Hateful" as a prefix"

>>52288394
I refuse to accept male banshees

>>52289124
Exactly.

>>52289131
Male banshees are thing since at least 3rd. The thing is everyone uses boob armour even males.

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Has anyone tried to make a chapter based on Solaire from Dark Souls?

I'm thinking about it, independently if it's an original idea or not.

>>52289131
They exist
>Aeldari
Are just fucking weird

>>52288530
>/tg/
>not getting upset over literally nothing
This your first day kid? Or you still in the denial phase of acceptance

>>52289075
Being humane is a different thing.

Being a cry baby like >>52289034 imply is another thing.

Also 30k marines are very different than 40k marines.

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>>52289124
>I identify as Devestator class Space Marine

>>52289083
I'm really tempted to just sculpt my own sisters and cast them for you sorry SonsofBitches

Now that we are on to the gender identity of 40k, may I ask how long do you think it will take for people to demand female tech priests?

Because presumably some tech priests may not have removed their genitalia yet in favor of USB ports and mechdenrites.

>>52288586
>1500 marines
>Ultramar
I think not

>>52287750
>15 death guard bikers
>plasma pistols

jesus, part decent part terrible

>>52288671
Nerds are a weird breed. Girls finally show interest in comics and games and permavirgins sperg out cause they can't handle it.

>>52289183
Let me remind you of whole chapter named crybabies, Lamenters.
>>52289214
1000 marines in companies +techmarines, librarians and honour guard.

>>52289213
>I sexually identify as a servant of the Omnissiah
>Now bring me more tubes and mechadendrites to stick onto my body

>>52288530
They're not CATHOLIC SPACE MONKS IN SPACE if there's ladies.

There already exists a CATHOLIC SPACE NUNS IN SPACE faction. It's just that no one liked them.

>>52289242
>Hey dweeb, why don't you put the pussy on pedestial like everyone else?

>>52288894
Marines are sterile so it wouldn't matter.

>>52289242
USAfag nerds to be fair. I've lived and nerd out all over the world. The conduct of girls are gross I've only seen it in London and most of the USA.

>>52289034
>and they shall know no fear
The rest of what you said is true tho

What's the way to get a proper yellow marine and not a orange-ish one?

I HATE orange but love yellow and it seems every tutorial makes a orange marine and tries to pass it off as the other.

>>52289160
aeldari are not very virile to begin with

>>52289275
We don't know how.
Maybe they are incompatible with normal humans, but what about a space mariness (or whatever)?

I do know though, that if a heretek/high member of the admech pulls it off, the first result would be targeted for chaos capture inmediatly.

>>52289204
I have a feeling gw already has the plastic sisters ready to go. The raging heroes sisters were supposed to drop in Feb, but they still aren't out yet, I have a feeling gw is waiting for them to drop so they can announce plastic SoB. And if that's not true then I'll just get the raging heroes sisters when they come out, since they look pretty badass

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>>52288593

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>>52289169
Not a SM chapter, but pretty cool too

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>>52286638
How does this list look? Planning on running if for a local tournament in a few days.

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>>52289045
because we're all holding onto some vain hope that she-, sorry, GW will realize you've been holding a torch for years or that they'll do better. but they won't, they've moved on from that and they're doing something they enjoy better even if it's a terrible idea.

ya can't languish forever

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>>52289332

comic that is the source of this bombed pretty quickly

>>52289269
And that's exactly what I'm talking about, you permanent virgin. Letting girls have female superheroes isn't men putting them on a pedastle. Do you not understand how women operate? They wanna be included cause they think somethings fun, but they didn't have the creativity to make anything themselves so they just rehash our cool stuff to relate more to them.

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This guy deep strikes into your room and steals your paints, what do you do?

>>52289348
You underestimate my sad lonely life. I can wait a long time for plastic SoB.

On the meanwhile I keep paying college/university girls.

>>52289365
Hoo dawgy.

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>>52289366
They're all old and dried

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>>52289362
angela bombed hard but femthor is still going while real thor is getting ultimate thor's hammer instead of his hammer and his name which femthor stole from him because ~female power~ i guess

>>52289366
I don't keep my paints in my bedroom, anon.

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>>52289366
TRAAAAZYYYYYYYN!
Joke's on him. I replaced all my paint with bombs

>>52289366
I buy new paints.

>>52289408
Femthor is his cousin or some shit isn't she?

>>52289366
*unsheaths katana*
*teleports behind you*
Heh....nothing personel.....trazyn

>>52289425
It's his girlfriend. At least in the first issues, don't know how it is now.

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>>52289425
no, she's jane foster, his ex girlfriend who is currently dying of cancer when she isn't thor.

>>52289408
That's nick fury's fault.
ITS ALL HIS FAULT.
I can't believe how much he fucked up.

>>52289470
So people would rather have her die of cancer than be a female Thor is what you're saying?

>>52289470
Hell of a divorce.
She got to keep his hammer, but he got to keep the coffee maker... so it's something.

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>>52289493
the worst part is, the whisper's gonna be hamfisted as fuck.

you're gonna tell me this guy isn't worthy?

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>>52289509
i would rather her accept the magic cure thor offered her instead of stealing his power and identity to temporarily cure her maladies.

>>52287660
Kakophoni is bad, but having 4+ FnP bikers is nice.

>>52289509
People die. Is not good or bad.

>>52289366
well i don't keep my paints for miniatures in my room but the skeletor fucker makes off with my paint for canvas and a few watercolor sets

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How's my list?

>>52289447
>Ends up being a body double, you just stabbed a pillow with a skull painted on it (with your paints)

>>52289525
Is he at least banging some hot asgaardian valkyrie now?

>>52289509
>die of cancer
I mean unless it's magic super cancer I'm PRETTY sure Thor could call in a favor and get her cured by ONE of the super geniuses / wizards he knows.

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>>52288915 #
>>52288839 #
>>52287835 #

Last time I played, this was my Codex...

>>52289571
NANI?!?!?!

>>52289589
he isn't. he's been insufferably emo ever since losing mjolnir.

>>52289594
Forced plot the comic.

>>52289601
I wish i could find this one in my country

>>52289525
>I'll fight this battle with plain old earth medicine
>Uses a magic hammer to extend her life.

>>52289594
>>52289525
she won't accept a magic cure unless it's stealing thor's identity then it's okay

>>52289618
bingo

>>52289618
>>52289625
Honestly, I'm more surprised that Reed Richards or Tony Stark hasn't just managed to randomly cure cancer on one of their off weekends.

>>52289632
That is because they are hiring GW writers. Or they are trying to make the most retarded story arc in history.

>>52289632
Reed won't do it because "it isn't fair to humanity for him to give them all of the answers"

tony isn't a biologist so he can't cure cancer. now banner probably could after basically being forced to become a biologist because of his condition.

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Why are people talking about Marvel comics in a tg thread about 40k

>>52289525

>"Nope, just a regular woman. This is just something women do."
>No woman has ever been afraid of cancer

>>52289671
Because we got bored of the shit 7th edition lore.

Is not that 40k was ever good, but at least it was mostly mediocre, today? It is just bad and some times passable.

>>52289671
Because they got triggered by femarines and now they want to be triggered by femthor.

Autism basically.

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>>52289671
Yeah, let's talk about 40k comics instead

>>52289701
>having a problem with the 'tism
pff, normies get out

>>52289704
That's not real

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Have fun with your SJW marines loyalists, while we`ll keep our chaos waifus.
>who arent marines btw

>>52289701
I'd be okay with fem marines as long as they weren't just female space marines; make them something different, like sisters of silence.

Have them fit a different niche other than "big superhumans, now with boobs"

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>>52289704
TANKRED ENDURES.

>>52289704
Why? Just why?

>>52288802

>It's still illegal
It's Alpha legion, not DG.

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>>52289704
Redeemer best boy. He's too good for Necromunda, too pure. Yet he carries on with his duty.

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>>52289704
Meh'Lindi wears Draco's power armor?

>>52289732
>>52289724
It's an inquisitor in terminator armor.

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>>52289704
I don't understand. How does this even work physically?

>>52289731
Was Tankred actually canon?

>>52289735
Cant take marks with alpha legion
also, you disgust me for trying
>T. proper alpha legion player

>>52289724
Oh, you better believe it's real, friendo:
https://www.comixology.com/Warhammer-40-000-Revelations-5/digital-comic/470916
http://spacefriend-t.deviantart.com/art/Warhammer-40-000-Revelations-vol-1-p-6-670055047

>>52289724
>>52289732
It is real. And "why" is that she's an Inquisitor. Terminator armour is extremely rare for normal mortals but inquisitor lords can get them.

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>>52289746
The same way marines do it. It shouldn't, but they do it anyway.

>>52289760
>>52287837

There are zero (0) marks for any unit in the list I posted.

>>52289746
The only explanation I could see would be that she has no actual arms. They look like they'd be dislocated otherwise.

>>52289744
Humans in terminator armour is such a strange thing even in setting.

It is far easier to get a master crafted power armour with a Rosarius/refractor/teleport field thingy than find a Magos willing to make you a human size terminator armour.

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>>52289749
you best believe he is, brother

>>52289727
Loyalists got SoB's and eldar bitches, we don't care for your wretched hoes and mutated daemons.

>>52289727
Chaos femarines are canon though anon.

>>52289746
She's curled up in a ball in the chest cavity, just like >>52289772
>Black Carapace makes this technically possible

>>52289790
Roboute will fix that. MAKE IMPERIUM GREAT AGAIN!

>>52289815

if you're talking about the fabius bile thing those aren't even real marines

>>52289820
>Marine gets his "arm" shot off
>Slips his real one through the hole left in his armor

>>52286746
Codex rules topple brb

>>52289704
>Female Inquisitor in terminator armor
I dont see nothing wrong on this

>>52289815
>Emperor's Children whose junk shrivelled up and fell off from drug abuse, so they prayed for a vag
>they get the toothy hellmaw Slaanesh thinks is a fun time to stick your dick into

>>52289737
I'd love if they made a cultist successor game to Necromunda.

The pitch: You're a Cult leader attempting to gain sway over a Hive. Have cult fights while attempting to convert / infect / sway the masses.

>four playable factions
>Chaos Cultists
>Genestealer Cultists
>Greater Good Cultists
>Redemptionists

>>52289815
Sorta, the art has not yet been perfected as with males so the end result is still inferior to a regular marine, but geeneseed has successfully been implemented into female test subjects with positive end results.

A bit more research before we have fully functional female Chaos Marines though.

>>52288736
>take nob slugga arm
>trim off barrel/magazine
>add shoota barrel/magazine
>???
>fuck you

>>52289839
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, I just thought it was unusual.

>>52289704
Blood angel made it to be an inquisitor? Neat.

>>52289740
Its that a nude nigger?

>>52289830
There's a novel where a woman who was kept as a slave by a CSM kills her master and steps into his suit of daemon armour that she had been cleaning. She then assumed his identity.

It's even stated in the codex that plenty of new CSM are the products of blessings from the gods rather than the traditional geno-therapy. There could even be xenos CSM for all we know.

>>52289839
If my memory does not trick me. Inquisitors in Terminator armour only exist because they where made in a time when the rules for Master crafted or artificer armour was not a thing yet.

This was back in 3rd. So it was a thing of rules and fluff trying to work around this situation.

>>52289878
>There could even be xenos CSM for all we know.

here we go here we go, the push for diversity isn't going to end with female marines, its going to start demanding xenos marines

jesus christ

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>>52289746
Like this, apparently

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What is a good 2000 point list for IG with an inquisition theme? Every time I make one I always end up recycling it.

>>52289871
Its callidus in camo cloak.

>>52289892
Or African American marines.

In a setting where humans are long gone.

>>52289883
In FW are a special character Inquisitor in terminator armor, its unusual as fuck but the inquisition have some terminator armors

>>52289916
What edition? If someone can't point me to a human Inquisitor before WH/DH then ok. But honestly I just think I was due to 2+ power armour was not a thing back then.

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>>52289900
>>52289871
This also her, disguised as dire avenger.

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>>52289704

>Reminder that this nigga soloed a dreadnaught with nothing more than a jetbike

If you don't name your luckiest Hawk model Fuedar then you're bringing ill fortune to your craftworld and kin.

>>52289929
The lore changes. Terminator Inquisitors are a holdover from RT back when Terminator armor was just a fancy relic rather than Astates-specific. It's just never been retired, so human Terminators are still a thing, albeit rare and Inquisition-specific.

The FW Inquisitor Anon is talking about is Hector Rex, who came out in... 5th, I believe. That or 4th.

>>52289898
>get wyverns
>get veterans in chimeras with meltas and plasmas
>get an inquisitor
>???
>profit

>>52289929
That character its for 4 edition if I rebember well

>>52289900
>>52289984
Thanks anons

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>>52289985

That's some old school shit, back when 40k was metal and not full of numales asking where the female and tau marines are.

>>52289985
>Swooping Hawk
>jetbike
explain

>>52290052
On a side note, why people care about marines. They are the most boring thing of the setting.

In any other setting they would be cool as fuck but in 40k? They are just a gun.

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>>52289865
>>52289883
>>52289916
>>52289929
>>52290017
>>52290023
What the fuck are you cunts even smoking?

>>52290085
Anon we never question the existence of Inquisitor in Terminator armour.

We where trying to remember and/or figure out when they came to be.

>>52290085
This not invalidate nothing I say you dumb dumb

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>>52290076
>tfw I really like CSM because they're like space marines who've regained humanity, even if it's completely twisted, but really dislike Chaos as entity

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>>52290085
>it's in the codex therefore it isn't rare
What did he mean by this?