/btg/ Battletech General!

First for BLAKE ELEISON

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IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE HAD A PURPLE BIRD THREAD

>>52184394
Start using /btg/RO art, with the progress they've been making we need to do our part

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all out of PURPLE waifus, just have to post other stuff from the TRUE SUCCESSOR STATE TO THE TITLE OF FIRST LORD!

>>52184515
>Ravens

Pls no

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>>52184555

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>>52184570
I see no ravens. I see only PURPLE BIRDS!

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>>52184594

the Grand Titan may be a very silly mech, but it is a Marik mech, so we gotta represent.

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>>52184609

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>>52184630

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>>52184641

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>>52184669

Of course, we can't have a PURPLE BIRD thread without the best trolling in history. Because fuck the Capellans.

>>52184609
It's not silly, it's really good if you know how to use it. I've killed Devastators and Hauptmanns (Hauptmenn?) with it before.

>>52184745
And I've killed a Dire Wolf with a Vulcan before, so what?

>>52184767
Did the Dire Wolf pilot fail a PSR and never regain consciousness?

>>52184745

It is a 100 tonner with an XL engine, a weapons loadout I can only describe as eclectic, and not enough heatsinks for its guns. I can see what they're trying to do with it, but I don't like it, and it doesn't really work. Oh, and it has ammo stored in all three torsos without any CASE, you know, just to ensure maximum chance of ammo cookoff.

>Grand Titan discussion

Post how you would fix the original GT.

>>52184852
By giving it Command Mech or Improved Targeting, rather than Multi-Trac. The latter is a bad quirk, and the person who gave it that should feel bad.

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>>52184852

Funny thing, I was fiddling with it in SSW because of this discussion. If we want to keep the role of the GT the same, (poke holes with pulse lasers, crit seek with SRMs, keep the LRMs to keep em honest at long range), this is how i'd do it.

>>52184821
Cockpit TAC

>>52184712
As a Cappie I found this hysterical.

>>52184924
Pretty good, anon. I'd have kept the 4/6 profile, torn off the AMS and ammo, and given it six SSRM2 racks, ammo, and some more DHS. I feel like part of the GT's "thing" is that it goes 4/6.

>>52184699

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage

I realize PPCs aren't *actually* man-made lightning, but years of Stackpole just gave me the idea of some sort of sophisticated sort of external latticework of wires to represent a Blue Shield.

>>52185049

I feel like having a 4/6 profile on a 100 tonner is just asking to die from side torso loss, especially as this is an ammo based mech, so even CASE won't save your mech from engine death, just make it so that the wreckage is salvageable.

>>52185291
I don't disagree with you, but it's like working with a Mauler. Easy route is to make it not suck by not making poor choices like quad AC/2s with weight-saving tech it doesn't need otherwise that eats crits. The challenge mode is to keep that fact and make something that works. I just came at it a different way than you, that's all. I'm a faggot for "design integrity" regarding the original concept, whatever good that does me.

>>52185324

I can forgive the Mauler for putting an XL on an assault mech because it is designed to sit way the hell back and throw lots of long range firepower. It is less forgivable on what is objectively a brawler mech like the Grant Titan.

NEA, I need you to please tell me about DropShips

>>52185641
Fair enough.

>>52185683

Talked to him today, he's still pretty blitzed out from running and teaching at the stage combat workshop. I also know he's avoiding the internet in general because he's getting caught up in a SJW fuckstravaganza.

Evidently his stage combat company got contracted by a larp weapon and costuming manufacturer to choreograph some fights for some advertisements, and when the actors bailed out on them at the last minute, he and his wife ended up playing the lead fighting roles since they knew the fights already. Which puts him in the position of being white people who are advertising Asian inspired larp gear. So naturally when the ads went live a few days ago, the SJWs immediately started pitching a shitfit over whitewashed casting and cultural appropriation. The company Facebook page has mostly gotten cleaned up, but NEA's company has had some death threats posted to their Facebook, including somebody who took a picture of their kid's school and the time they let out classes.

So he's likely going to be out for a while. I'd just ask your question and hope somebody else answers it.

>>52182330 #
The way I read and understand it, the Blue Shield constantly sucks in air to do something with it - my guess would be to ionize or otherwise treat it and then expell it around the 'Mech to dissipate PPC bolts.

Hence, I would portray it either as a constant heat flicker or a fine spray of mist from the ports, ejecting anywhere but up - that's the intake direction.

Neither has to be form-fitting, they can extend quite a bit from the 'Mech.

>In the years immediately prior to the so-called Age of War, Promised Land became known for the quality of its champagne as far as Arcturus, capital of the newly-formed Lyran Commonwealth. When Archon Robert Marsden offhandedly remarked he would not mind drinking a glass of Promised Land's champagne in 2395, the rabidly loyal and supremely overconfident Social Generals selected by Marsden to command the Lyran Commonwealth Armed Forces wilfully misinterpreted the Archon's comment to mean he wanted to capture the world.[34]

>By the time Marsden learned of the Promised Land Assault, it was too late, with ten LCAF regiments, including two elite ranked Jump Infantry and Armored Vehicle regiments, wiped out. Instead of blaming their own impetuosity, the LCAF high command directed blame towards Marsden for "ordering" the disaster. Three weeks after news of the massacre on Promised Land broke, Archon Robert Marsden was found dead in his bedchambers.[34]

Why are Lyrans so shit at everything?

>>52186301
Partly to compensate for being the faction who's thing is "having the most assault 'mechs". It would otherwise be pretty OP.

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>>52185929
>some death threats posted to their Facebook, including somebody who took a picture of their kid's school and the time they let out classes.
For. Fuck's. Sake.

>>52185929

I was planning on trolling and blaming him for being a Canopian and therefore getting what he deserves, mostly because he'd probably bite on it, but honestly that's pretty much some bullshit right there. Threatening your kids is absolutely out of line no matter what the argument.

Aside from the fact that whitewashing in casting is a completely made-up thing and from what I could tell, if they'd actually cast asians in the first place and those people bailed on the production at the last second, then the filming company is legally covered and has done everything in regards to ethnic casting requirements it's required to do. This is SJWs being pissy useless bitches because they're a bunch of pissy useless bitches.

>I'm against basically everything the right wing and /pol/ stand for, but goddamn are SJWs like these a waste of perfectly good human life.

>>52186301
>Why are Lyrans so shit at everything?

Mostly what >>52186422 said. If they didn't suck at everything they'd overwhelm the Dracs no question. Zeus lances versus Panther lances don't turn out well for the Panthers. Also because Lyrans aren't the designated Mary Sue state. Their failure, while having so many good Mechs, makes the FedSuns look even better by comparison. After all, the FedSuns are accomplishing more than the Lyrans while having a much worse (in 3025-39) and much lighter Mech selection.

>>52185929
DEATH TO THE SJWS

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>>52184462
>>52184482
[AROUSED PURPLE BIRD NOISES]

>>52185929
Wait, what, for real?

Holy shit SJWs are even WORSE than communists and nazis combined.

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>>52186804
They'll be the death of a lot of people.

>>52184509
RO art? I don't know the abbreviation. What's that? I'm willing to try if I knew.

>>52187149
He's talking about the BattleTech General Read-Out that Muninn and others here are putting together. Some of the drawings have already come up in recent threads.

>>52187325
Ah hell, I must have missed those. Where do I get them?

>>52187054
>Holy shit SJWs are even WORSE than communists and nazis combined.

It's the same shit, really, so at worst they're about as bad as either of those, after you've deduced the mass murder, the bombs and the arson of churches from the Nazis, that is.

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>>52187070
ahahahaha

In all seriousness, though, the reason you don't have a woman in your life isn't a deterioration in the quality of women. It's that you're an unlikeable piece of shit.

Look around man, all the likeable men manage to find likeable women. THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH *YOU*.

Honestly I think SJWs are an American only thing, haven't encountered any myself.
Just normal likeable women.

>>52187471
I think the artist's DeviantArt was linked late in the last thread. His name is Glop or something like that.

>>52186070
Expanding on my earlier idea... a PPC bolt hitting and being partially dissipated by the ion/gas cloud around the 'Mech with Blue Shield would illuminate the whole thing, well, blue.

Makes an awful amount of sense in my head (and pleases Rambo in Afghanistan)

>>52187597
They're an initially american thing, but that cancer has started to spread to most western nations. Canada was the first to get infected after the initial outbreak in the US, but now it's been detected in the UK, France, Germany, Austria, even all the way in Sweden and Finland.

These infections usually happen in universities and places of "higher learning."

>>52187597
they exist, but the examples that spring to mind when we talk about strong independent womyns are the extremely vocal, fucked-in-the-head minority
they're the ones who get recorded and put up on youtube and shared among circles, not because they represent the vast majority of rational left-wing thinkers, but because we as a people take a perverse pleasure in watching crazy people rant and rave over whatever is triggering them at any given moment
i live not too far away from where Big Red herself is stationed, and i know a fair few girls who do the whole dyed-hair women-first deal im actually kind of dating one right now but they don't take to the streets in throngs screaming obscenities and demanding attention
this is, of course, all anecdotal evidence, but take it how you will ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>52187667
>dating one

Bad news, the cancer has spread.

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>>52187529
I have a gf. Nice try. SJWs still suck.
>pic related.

>>52187614
Matt's stuff? This is what I get for going on assignment for a few days. Thanks man. I'll do what I can when I make threads.

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In celebration of that thing that just got announced for MWO, I am making a Civil War Capellan T-Bolt refit/upgrade/descendant based on a custom mini I was fortunate enough to purchase from an acquaintance.

Please help.

The only caveats I have are that the RAC and MML have to stay, if only to satiate my autism.

Eh guess australia's safe enough.

>>52187779
Ha, no. Australia is farther gone than the US.

>>52187779
>Australia
>safe

Pick one and only one.

>>52186642
Dumb fucking hypocrite

>>52187508
And communists, who killed ten times more people than the nazis.

>>52185929
I kinda want to see the advert, if only to see the larp kit.

>>52185929
>NEA babbles moronic and uninformed leftist things whenever he responds to political posts
>leftists turn on him and his family despite the fact he's brainwashed too

Always happens, but still it's a shame. I'm a Canopian player too but silly beliefs like what the Magistracy holds are best kept to fictional games.

>>52188777
Live by the SJW, die by the SJW

>>52188777
Somebody's getting redpilled (I guess this is what they call it on /pol/) the hard way.
How long before he joins the FedSuns, pilots a gausswall and sports a Freddie Mercury mustache?

>>52185929
Jesus, is the last one of these fuckshows even over by now?
Theatre, what a lousy way to make a living

>>52186070

Blue Shield is basically another call-back to the Traveller roots of Battletech.

So, question for the battletech tech afficionados.

Did the clans get anything actually useful in the Civil War era? I'm asking because MWO is in for the civil war tech update and shit is going to get fucking nasty for inner sphere.

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>>52188777
>>52188777

You do know that he does a ton of stuff with guns, right? And is vocal about firearm training and safety classes, including making them a mandatory part of public school training? You can't be a liberal in the US and support gun ownership in any way, shape, or form. see pic related, where actual leftists tried to get him arrested for teaching a 'how not to shoot yourself on a set' class which they'd initially agreed to so he'd show up on the campus.

Not agreeing with /pol/ in every facet of life doesn't make you a leftist, anon. If anything, NEA seems more of a moderate, in the 'show me evidence from an unbiased source and I'll change my mind if I think it's good enough' sort of way.

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>>52184852
Here's a couple a kind anon made for me by request a while back.

They're pretty solid.

>>52191410
>all leftists agree on everything
You certainly seem to have /pol/ down.

>>52191410
All the cognitive dissonance in your post reminds me of when /pol/acks proclaim the Nazis weren't racist because they had some Jews, blacks and muslims in their armies.

>>52191448
>all leftists agree on everything

They do, actually. Otherwise the other liberals turn on you and do the "no true Scotsman" think when the find out you disagree with them on something.

>source: mostly my ass, which was driven out of a job under this exact procedure when my co-workers found out I agreed with Trump on immigration

>>52191415
Oh right, I already fixed the Grand Titan.

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Can we stop with the politics, guys?

>>52191532
That was you, wasn't it? Thanks again!

>>52191540
well, at least it's not clan ER PPCs

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>>52191540
Here's a slightly lower tech -G.

>>52191540
>Can we stop with the politics, guys?

No. Everyone and everything is political now, and will remain so until the burgeoning second civil war, were we can make a definite decision on the next 80-100 years of this country's future.

Because that's where we're headed and there's no way to stop it. It's too polarized and I'd rather we get the war over with sooner rather than later so we can pick up the pieces and get on with what remains of our lives.

>>52191325
Heavy lasers and ATMs are interesting but not better than what Clanners already have. Mwo folk will have to wait and see how Pgi will implement these weapons

>>52191511
>be conservative
>loses job for being wrong
Serves you right. But please stop using your free time to shitpost on btg

>>52191540
>Can we stop with the politics, guys?

I'm sorry for sharing >>52185929 in the first place.

I just wanted to let >>52185683 know why NEA wasn't likely to be back around for a while, since he'd asked for NEA several times in the last thread and was asking now in this one.

In retrospect, I should have guessed that assholes would have used "someone getting a job and getting shit on through no fault of his own" as an excuse to start political shitflinging and actual, honest to god victim blaming (>>52188777). I don't know why I expected /btg/ to be better then that, but I won't make that mistake again.

>>52191714
Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.

>>52191540
>Can we stop with the politics, guys?

No. We need Battletech politics instead. How about how the Republic of the Sphere isn't a Republic at all? The senate is entirely advisory and has no actual power unlike the true republic of the Free Worlds League. Was Count Conner Monroe right in trying to make it a real Republic as promised? Did the state fall apart because all the bureaucrats and knights shit on the old planetary nobility?

Whatever happened to him anyway? Most of his buddies were on the other side of the republic from him and Markab got conquered by Dykelord Dieron in the 3140's.

>>52185929
Lmao, typical SJWs.

>>52191752
>any era after the civil war

Yeah who even cares

>>52191747

What's funny is that I can't tell if you're talking about NEA (who IRL is very clearly neither an extreme liberal nor a feminist) having to work in a field populated by insane libs, or if you're talking about >>52191714 posting here and expecting people here NOT to be complete ambulatory fuckstains about literally everything.

>>52191714
Thinking anywhere in 4chan is safe from that. Like trolls didn't smell the D&C potential through their ethernet and come runn like grinch with his christmas swag.

You made a lapse in judgement. It happens.

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>>52191752
Are Davions white?

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>>52191901
What does it matter when you're The Fox?

>>52191901

Of course they are. They're the good guys.

>>52191814
>caring about the civil war era

Literally second worse era, right behind the early Dark Age.

>>52191901

Obviously. There aren't any playable non-human factions in Battletech, after all.

>>52191860
>Like trolls didn't smell the D&C potential

Dilation and Curettage? Are we calling this thread a miscarriage?

Actually, I'm OK with that.

>>52184745

If you wanna keep the language the same.. Hauptmanner.

>>52191901
They got more worlds full of indians than dracs have full of arabs and space amish.

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>>52191702

Out of all the primitive mechs, which holds up best in later eras?

Do we have any idea yet what's gonna be in the Alpha Strike box?

>>52192679
I'd say the Banshee.

It's slow and has half the ranged throw of an Awesome. But it has good armor and manages to actually be better at close range than the 3E.

I wanna stress the primitive Banshee's armor, by the way. Nothing else in the era even comes close to the protection it gets.

Fuck this thread and everyone in it.

*nukes it with Alanis Morrisette*

>>52192679
The ones that don't actually close into slugging range like the Helopolis or the Longbow. And those are pretty much outclassed by weapon carrier vehicles in the same role.

The disposable lights that won't survive a hit in any era aren't terrible either. 5/8/5 WSP-1 is not so much worse than a 6/9/6 WSP-1A in 3080 because of all the big guns on the field.

Best thing to do to any primitive is just slap modern armor on it. Then they get way more competitive and you can actually fight stuff for real.

>>52192679
The Archer is decent for cheap fire support and the thud performs exactly like the 3025 model, but slower

Thinking of making a Taurian armored company during the 3050s. What kind of domestically produced options did they have?

>>52194328
Frankly, imported Manticores from the MoC are going to be your best bet

>>52194328
fuck off medron

>>52194328
>>52194328
The Ubiquitous vedettes and ___carriers, Plainsmen and Hunters on the lighter end, that's about it. Retconning the Patton out left a bit of a serious hole in their tank selection, though it's easily filled with imported manticores and Pos
They also get access to all the generic everywhere tanks, though they don't make them

>>52194411

The fact that the MOC is able to make fusion engine tanks is such bullshit fiat. Periphery nations should barely be able to keep ICE engines running, and fusion engines should be completely out of their reach. Fucking author fiat.

>>52194833

Is literally everything you don't like fiat?

What's the general consensus on ripping a MW dark age miniature off its heroclix base and putting it on a hexbase for use in BT?

>>52195370
Too big, except the infantry, which are mostly the same larger scale as IWM infantry anyway. Better to just leave mechs on the base and play bigger scale BT.

>>52195353
Is that not what the big book of battletech definition's say? Look mine even has a pic of madcap's waifu of the week next to it.

>>52194833
That's some good, good Old School Fluff talk.

>A Dark Age has befallen mankind. Where the United Star League once reigned, five successor states now battle for control. The destruction of war has ravaged the once flourishing worlds and left them in ruins. The advancement of technology has not only ceased, but the machines and equipment of the past cannot be produced by present-day worlds. The Succession Wars are fought over water, ancient machines, and spare parts factories. Control of these elements will lead to final victory and the domination of known space.

>Battletech box set

I'd note that in this case, Fluff Marches On. The grim picture painted by late eighties/early '90s battletech/battledroids stuff has been filled out and mostly re-conned away, to the point where there are scores of worlds, even in the darkest days, able to build new 'mechs, fusion engines and everything else.

>>52195657
Thankfully my headcannon disavows any such knowledge of these so called retcons. That said I do enjoy the way large scale mech warfare was enabled by the helm core. Large numbers of available mech forces let me get that cold war gone hot feeling.

>>52195657
You mean early 80's. The 4th Succession War happened in 1987 and the Clan Invasion in 1989 for crying out loud.

You're literally quoting stuff only used in Battledroids and Tales of the Black Widow Company.

>>52195657

Well then I don't know what game you people with your magic tech periphery nations are playing where everyone is happy and Bob the taurian farmer can make XXL-engines in his backyard as a hobby, but it's sure as fuck not Battletech.

If that's what you think Battletech is supposed to be, then you shouldn't be in this thread. This thread is about Battletech, not your magic wish fulfillment game where everybody gets shiny new toys whenever they want then. Get the fuck out and don't come back.

>>52195353
>Is literally everything you don't like fiat?

Yes. And it must make you eternally butthurt that you can't stop me from thinking that, libcuck. Go protest something and leave actually Battletech fans to talk here, because you don't belong.

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>>52195778

>>52195778
No true scotsman fallacy. 0/10. I expect better from trolls here. Please up your game.

>>52195778
>[angry unemployed noises]

>>52194833
>>52195353
Original Taurian armor question anon here, in fairness I think the gripe with the MoC building Manticores is that for a long while it seemed like vehicles were being stripped of fusion engines to support mechs. So an extremely poor periphery state, which the MoC was until the 3060s, building ranks with fusion engines when the Lyran Commonwealth doing so was a big deal is a somewhat legit complaint.

But then the MoC was mostly only building Bugs so I see it as a fair trade off.

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>>52195828
>No true scotsman fallacy.

Suck it libcuck.

>>52195879
You continue to disappoint. May I suggest you try lurking Pol for a few months. You should be able to learn your craft there.

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>>52195777
Sorry man, I was four years old in 1987 so my memory is a little fuzzy. I did remember the grimdark fighting for water stuff was still around in the early '90s when I got into it, but clearly I was reading out of date fluff then. I would note that the quote is from the back of the Battletech box set, so it's defiantly post-Battledroids.

>>52195755
Nothing wrong with focusing on the mad max water raids and 200 year old 'mechs fighting over spare parts parts of BT. Honestly I like that more then the absurd political parody like the Jihad era.

>>52195778
>Stuff changes over time and it makes me angry.
Have an Atlas getting punched in the butt by a commando.

You guys know that Dunianshire didn't start producing Manticores until the 3050's right?

>>52195966
Battletech 2nd edition is '85. Same year as Tales of the Black Widow. That all changed come latter '85 with the first house books and '86 with TRO:3025.

>>52196185
Yeah, the setting as imagined pre and post housebooks are two rather different places.
Also I'd place Mechwarrior 1e on the 'very early' list, as well

>>52196070

Keep your made-up "facts" out of this discussion. Nobody's interested. The point is that the Periphery shouldn't have nice things, or really shouldn't even have things in general, and anyone who argues differently is wrong.

>>52195778
Well great, now I want to change one of the TRO Taurian mechs to have an XXL engine for lulz.

>>52196455
Just shut the fuck up anon. You aren't funny. You aren't clever. You aren't original. You're trying to force a meme, and succeeding only in being a worthless cunt. If you had the courage of your convictions, you'd put on and keep on a trip rather than hiding behind anon like a worthless cunt.

Find new material, because the only reason anybody cares about what you post is that you're wasting perfectly good thread space being a worthless cunt.

>>52196070

1st Edition Periphery has the Magistracy making Manticores in 3025.

>>52196455
You're an idiot. Not even trolling at this point, just stupid. Thanks for contributing hatred to this perfectly fine hobby, show yourself out at any opportunity and have a nice day.

>>52196523
This is my second-favorite pasta, after rotini.

>>52195966

The hell is this gif from? A battletech game that seems to actually include physical combat? I need it.

>>52196563
Probably hare brained schemes "Battletech"

>>52196594
>>52196563
It's the HBS BattleTech game, yet to be released. Should be late this year, probably Christmas given they had a few recent delays. The Beta should be sooner than later.

>>52196562
>This is my second-favorite pasta, after rotini.

The "courage of your convictions" bit really sells it.

>>52196455
>>52196542
Which is correct?

>>52196657
Periphery 1E was entirely retconned.

Parts of it are retconned. There's no reason to negate every single part of it.

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>>52196483
Obligatory.

>>52196657
The second, they were definitely producing manticores in 3025, he's bullshitting

>>52196725
Not him but that exact same page has all kinds of fuckups, like saying they produce 30 aerospace fighters a year and then not having them make any aerospace fighters. The Manticore is a Patton-tier mistake.

Not to mention saying they produce SHW-1 Shadowhawks.

>>52196483
It DOES seem like the logical final step in their post-jihad obsession with fast heavies.
Maybe a batshit Warhammer with a 420 XXL or something

>>52196803
They made the Sabre aerospace fighter.

>>52196803
>The Manticore is a Patton-tier mistake.
It wasn't retconned except in edyrp nordem over here's headcanon, so evidently it wasn't

>>52196820
Not in Periphery 1st edition. The Sabre didn't even exist until TRO:3057 and didn't get a proper TRO entry until TRO:3075.

>>52196819
>Maybe a batshit Warhammer with a 420 XXL or something
You laugh, but the Battlemaster 6X exists.

>>52196904
I know, that and their outstandingly insane 6/9 thud were exactly what inspired me to suggest that
In fact, I might try it now

Where can I find info on the Regulan military?

>>52197208
House Book, Handbook, Field Manuals, the usual.

When you looking at exactly?

>>52197270
3080-3145

>>52197303
Field Report FWLM for 3080
Field Manual 3145 for 3145

3145 doesn't cover the Regulan blockade or the Regulan war so they'll be in worse shape come 3150.

>>52196879
Stop with the boogeyman stuff, dude

>>52197334
Yeah I'm just looking for info like ranks and what they call their quartermaster and such

>>52197473
fuck off medron

>>52197497
fuck off medron

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Which leg stance do you prefer?

>>52197497
fuck off medron

>>52197651
fuck off medron

>>52197654
Second one.

>>52197654
The second one please.

>>52197654
second

>>52197654
second is more fluid

>>52197654
the second one

>>52197662

Fuck off Medron.

>>52197654
Is this nigga turning its head to his left? I thought it was a torso mounted cockpit but now I'm not sure.

>>52197866
I was being satirical, the second looks like bendy ass that's about to fall over. Would be better if the leg positions were reversed.

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>>52191901
>Started the unfinished book movement and try to retain culturally diverse worlds
About that

what is the cheapest DropShip?

>>52198062
The one you steal.

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>>52197654
>tfw when you the first thing you think when you look at the 2nd one is sexual attraction
Kill me

>>52198062
the one you buy in kit form to avoid the outrageous markup 2700%/3500% markup

>>52197879
...yes?

>>52198134
I don't think mechs have functional necks. I have never seen one depicted as such

Hi /btg/, I'm the Andurien Rangers AU campaign runner and I have a request/question for anyone interested.

In the ongoing campaign we've been doing the FWL goes into the Jihad era more united than in canon, and outcome-wise will more than likely remain whole.

Now the request/question I have is this: does anyone have some mech designs the FWL in that era they'd like to share? Could be variants of existing mechs the League produces, or OC designs.

The reason I ask is because in reviewing the FWL's acquisitions in the Jihad TROs I found just about all of them are, as is reasonable, reactions to the divided state of their military industrial complex. Provinces competing and such, rather than a concerted national effort. For example, the Pikeman and its fate being altered into the Patriot for the Regulan military.

So if anyone has anything existing they'd like to share, or if anyone would like to use this as a design challenge, I'd very much appreciate pretty much any mech design contribution for the 3067-3085 era.

I've taken to using TRO 3063 designs in a couple of my games too, letting everyone know their fanon origin of course.

>>52198162
Success! We're pioneers in our field.

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>>52198162
You've never seen the Commando? Clearly you're never played as Lyrans.

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Tried to make something, quality dropped when I tried to scale it. Maybe somebody more skilled in gimp can clean it up.

>>52198062
>>52198126

Eh, I think the best ones are just kitbashed. Some grubbens, green stuff and a plastic ball and you are all ready.

Note that battletech scale is weird. Mechs are scaled to fill a hex, but hexes are 30 meters. A 'map scale (IE 1" =30 meters) dropship isn't to scale with battlemechs.

>>52196657

If there's an actual source that says Dunainshire started making it in the '50s then that's correct, unless maybe that source is Objective Raids.

New canon beats old canon.

>>52198162

At least some do. Cyclops for sure, and I'm pretty sure the Grashopper and Quickdraw as well.

>>52198546
>objective raids vs periphery 1e as sources
>sweating_man.gif

>>52198656

I have no idea. AFAIK there's never been anything that dates the Manticore production to the '50s, but in an environment where people were stripping fusion engines for 'Mechs, the Periphery is behind the Sphere, and the god damn Dracs needed considerable aid from Defiance Hesperus to establish a Manticore factory in the 3060s it would make sense for it to either be a new factory or one that had been mothballed for lack of components until around then.

I don't really care one way or the other but for the sake of internally consistent fluff I'd lean towards it being a later development with Hatchetman/Rommel/Patton fuckups in-character.

>>52198767
>but in an environment where people were stripping fusion engines for 'Mechs
That was only really a thing in the very early fluff that the housebooks pretty much superseded

>>52198767
>and the god damn Dracs needed considerable aid from Defiance Hesperus to establish a Manticore factory in the 3060s
That seems like more a sign of CGL's exceptional hatred of the dracs than anything else honestly

>>52198847

If by "very early fluff" you mean "until 3039 or thereabouts, even with the major retcons to tech level and availablility" then sure.

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>>52198162
That's some ignorance right there. Have you never looked at art in a single TRO? 3025 has seven mechs turning their heads to look at shit before you even get out the Light section. The turned head Commando illustration is famous in that no one knew how to interpret it, because the head is turned so far left. Basically, does it have a humanoid body and head? Than it probably has at least a functional Z axis neck pivot.

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>>52198999
>They took away my neck! Those P2W fuckers took my neck!

>>52198767
Your points do make sense.

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>>52198999
>TRO? 3025
that pile of traced shit is mostly not canon, though

>>52199189
The Atlas's perspective doesn't match up though. Why would you trace a mech only to slightly change the perspective of the legs and arms and whatnot?

It does match up to the Battlemaster and Zeus, which is the much more likely trace.

So... Put a fuckin' Bigfoot on there or something.

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>>52199081
The Centurion and the Trebuchet are probably the least elegant of Alex's work for PGI, terrible 3D models too.
>>52199189
Sure thing bro, great proofs. Continue to hate on the very foundation of Battletech art. How's TRO 3145 Clans as a source then?
>>52199290
This is correct, it will take some digging but the Dougram production art book has a Bigfoot that the Atlas illustration was clearly based on. Same retarded perspective on the left leg and way better match on silhouette.

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>>52199356
>it will take some digging but the Dougram production art book has a Bigfoot that the Atlas illustration was clearly based on.
Hey look I found it. It was ALSO in 3025

>>52198767
I agree. Get rid of the manticore, or maybe give it to the taurians, who at lest have the heavy industry to justify it, and add a Po/Axel style ICE heavy MBT that all three major states make
But we really need a wider selection of introtech tanks in general, because the 3026 fluff is WAY to reliant on exports that don't make any sense

>>52199567
>maybe give it to the taurians

Fuck off medron.

>>52199567

Taurians already have their own fusion-powered high-tech tank in the J. Edgar, which IS powers were stripping the engine from for other things and using ICE variants of instead.

BT has inconsistent and deeply stupid writing, news at 11.

>>52199567
>and add a Po/Axel style ICE heavy MBT that all three major states make
What about the merkava MK whatever? That would work

You know what? I think that going full 3025 madmaxtech but confining it to single firefly-esque large system would make for a good AU.
The military sizes might even make sense then

>>52199798
Makes sense they'd be able to build the Manticore then. For the Canopians it, like you say, seems inconsistent and deeply stupid. Oh well.

>>52196746
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
lasers

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>>52199451

Bigfoot!

>>52200027

Same applies to any of the Periphery nations, anon. They were all behind the curve.

If the *Suns* are in the process of stripping fusion-powered tanks of their engines to use on 'Mechs, why in the flying fuck would Periphery nations be just dandy with pumping out SFE tanks?

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This thread

>>52200023
That could work. How would the no attacking jumpships thing translate if they didn't exist, though? Would it just apply to all spacecraft or would it not exist at all!

>>52193141
>Anon asks about AlphaStrike

I feel bad for you man, but /btg/ has a thing about hating on the simplified system. It's kinda like they like B-Tech because it's obnoxiously crunchy, not in spite of it.

Did they ever come to some kind of satisfactory explanation of the "Phantom Mech" ability/phenomenon?

>>52200255
Not really. It was deliberately left a mystery

>>52200255
No.

The hangup is on the "satisfactory" part, because that implies an answer that most people will be, well, satisfied with.

FASA said that PMA was straight-up newtype-style mystical shenanigans, and put on their "deal with it" glasses. This placated about 20% of people and so was not satisfactory.

FanPro basically said that PMA was a series of sensor glitches and handwaved away how exactly Morgan and Yoringa and Aidan could do it command. That placated pretty much nobody and so was not satisfactory.

CGL said that PMA wasn't even really a thing and that period account of it happening were just canon rumor, like, 'Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus which confused the sensor systems of Morgan's opponent'. This placated about 20% of people and so was not satisfactory.

Note that no possible answer will ever be satisfactory, because greater than 50% of people don't want PMA to exist in the first place, and any answer other than "PMA never existed and the works featuring it are now and forever non-canon" will be unsatisfactory. And nobody's going to give that answer. Thus, unsatisfactory answers will continue indefinitely.

>>52200255

Word of Herb is that there is nothing supernatural in the BT universe at all ever, even though he wrote a book for the RPG with a bunch of explicitly supernatural things in it and the novels have featured a bunch of stuff along those lines as well.

>>52200126
Probably because they'd been left out of the Succession Wars. When your factories haven't been targeted for two and half centuries you're going to be in a slightly different sitch.

>>52200394

>aidan

Did not have it. Check SP: Tukayyid.

>>52200426
let's not go down that road, because it's only FASAnomics from here and the setting totally falls apart if you question that

>>52200401
>even though he wrote a book for the RPG with a bunch of explicitly supernatural things in it
Such as?

>the novels have featured a bunch of stuff along those lines as well.
Again, such as?

Genuinely curious, I thought BT was firmly on the side of no aliens, no AI, and no magic

>>52200446
Ok, I was just saying.

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>>52200394
>CGL said that PMA wasn't even really a thing and that period account of it happening were just canon rumor, like, 'Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus which confused the sensor systems of Morgan's opponent'. This placated about 20% of people and so was not satisfactory.
What you saw when Morgan Kell fought was in fact the planet VENUS. It's a commonly known fact that Archer BattleMechs can be, from a certain angle, perceived as the planet VENUS.

>>52200426

Ah. So the lower-tech nation with less infrastructure, poorer education, and greater problems with constructing or maintaining military equipment is in fact far more capable than the most advanced of the Successor States with by far the best education and tech levels plus the second-best infrastructure.

This makes perfect sense.

>>52200471
you aren't WRONG, it's just that the periphery not having a leg up from two and a half centuries of not being nuked while everyone else was is just a part of the FASAnomics mess, and if you pull one block outta that jenga tower it all falls apart

I doubt you know this, but that's also an argument that more than one incredibly obnoxious player keeps throwing around the OF

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>>52198232

We have 2 or three grand titan fixes in this thread already, one of which was mine. Here's an Albatross mod i've used in the past.

>>52200465

Novels:

-PMA through the Warrior Trilogy
-Victor speaks to the spirits of his father and Takashi in Gave Covenant, Minoru is able to reference this conversation despite not being present
-Nova Cat visions with a better than average rate of accuracy
-Minoru is able to literally walk through walls when he hunts the Dancing Joker assassin for killing his sister

SBs:
-PMA in Kell Hounds shit and for Luthien
-Herb wrote Guide to Covert Ops which has a bunch of Ki abilities, including the power to kill a yak from 200 yards away. WITH MIND BULLETS.
-Sixth Sense in various iterations of the RPG is explicitly supernatural since it allows characters to react to things they have no way to even perceive, much less know about.

Anyone got TtS: Iron Land or Spotlight: Stone's Trackers to share for us yet?

>>52200492
>the nation with two and a half centuries of NOT having its superior infrastructure and tech atom bombed by its neighbors to the point that a toaster oven was considered SL tech is in the better situation than the state not being atom bombed

It does make perfect sense :)

>>52200504
Yeah I know it's a mess. It's just a shame this stuff goes from zero to sperg like with some folks: >>52200492
They already built the SFE. I don't see what the issue is.

>>52200488
Is that just Kane wearing a silly hat?

>>52200586

Except that the Periphery nations *were* targeted and *did* lose technology, on top of the SL deliberately screwing them and reducing them to around the level of the Houses circa 3025 even before the Succession Wars started.

The Peiphery nations weren't targeted to the extent the Houses belted each other around, but that doesn't mean they got off scot-free.

Unless of course you'd like to explain how their military sizes plummeted and their warship fleets vanished otherwise?

>>52200554
>-Minoru is able to literally walk through walls when he hunts the Dancing Joker assassin for killing his sister

lolwut

>including the power to kill a yak from 200 yards away. WITH MIND BULLETS.

Is the ammo explosive though?

>>52200554
What is this guide to covert ops of which you speak? I certainly hope it is an atow splatbook. BRB on my way to jewgle.

>>52200492
The great houses were stripping tanks for fusion engines because they had lots of 'mechs, including giant numbers of salvaged and very old 'mechs that needed new engines to return to service.

They were still building new fusion engines, it's just the ones they were making were pretty much all used by their limited new production of 'mechs.

For a periphery state without the ability to build 'mechs anyway but with a factory turning out 240 Fusion engines, building Manticores makes sense.

A Manticore is nice, but that 240 could put a salvaged Clint, Centiron or goddamn Awesome back on the line. You can see why tanks start to get stripped.

>>52200608
Jesse Ventura actually.

>>52200492

It does, because the larger nation got a ton of its infrastructure blown to shit while the smaller nation never stopped researching.

I'm totally down with the whole technological regression angle. I'm willing to suspend that disbelief. But the core infrastructure of the Taurians and the Canopians didn't get touched from the end of the Reunification War until the stuff in the 3060s. The few fights around the beginning of the Amaris Coup didn't actually affect anything important, and then there was nothing.

So no. There's no way to ask anyone with two or more brain cells to rub together to suspend their disbelief so far as to buy the idea that the completely untouched periphery powers would still be so far behind the tech curve after 500 years (to 3039). And especially when compared to a great house that got itself nuked basically back to the 21st century and has only been even STARTED building new infrastructure from 3005-3039.

If you want people to believe that the Periphery infrastructure stopped working, then you have to show that something happened to it. After the Reunification War, nothing actually did happen to it. Except, of course, for the general level of infrastructure and tech in the Periphery going UP for the next 150 years thanks to the Star League. And once they had that infrastructure, nobody ever came and blew it up, or went around killing engineers, or anything to shut it down (because neither FASA nor CGL have ever said that happened). The infrastructure doesn't get to magically stop working because it makes the plot work. Unless and until it's shown to stop working for an actual reason, then they still have it. "You have to indicate to the reader why things happen" is like Writing 101.

>>52200586
the IS being so absurdly rekt from the succession wars is also extremely nonsensical, so the periphery not being rekt shouldn't create THAT much of a gap all told
>>52200630
>The Peiphery nations weren't targeted to the extent the Houses belted each other around, but that doesn't mean they got off scot-free.
sadly, canonically the only major conflict between a successor house and a periphery state in the succession wars was the FWL occupation of Circinus. the TC and MoC and OA were canonically left the hell alone
>Unless of course you'd like to explain how their military sizes plummeted and their warship fleets vanished otherwise?
they actually just kinda vanished into thin air between the end of the Amaris Civil war and the start of the 1st SW, because the sourcebook writers were morons

>>52200648

The majority of SFEs used by tanks don't match with sizes used by tanks. The implication is that they get reconditioned to suit, since the 145 Engine of a J. Edgar doesn't work with anything else.

The Manticore's engine is the exception to that rule.

>>52200641

MechWarrior 3rd Ed/CBT RPG.

I am the brutal instrument of my own destiny!

>>52200688
>they actually just kinda vanished into thin air between the end of the Amaris Civil war and the start of the 1st SW, because the sourcebook writers were morons
Shit like this is why the 1sw and impending 2sw sourcebook should never have happened, because when you un-vague an era, you've got to account for things and make sure numbers and facts track with existing ones, and there is literally nothing CGL is worse at than that

>>52200630
>Unless of course you'd like to explain how their military sizes plummeted and their warship fleets vanished otherwise?

Probably sold them to the Houses piecemeal to keep the fight going. "Oh, you need a destroyer to go fuck the Dracs up in revenge for them fucking you up? Well, we do have a few used ones...say, 10 trillion CBills each?"

5 minutes later: "Hey, Ichiro? yeah, we have intel the Davies are coming for you. Oh, you need some more ships to fight them with? Well, we have a couple...15 trillion CBills each..."

>>52200686

>But the core infrastructure of the Taurians and the Canopians didn't get touched from the end of the Reunification War until the stuff in the 3060s.

Aside from the wrack and ruin of whole planets being depopulated when water and air filtration or terraforming technologies broke down, which was a much bigger issue for the Periphery than the IS. And Holy Shroud, which was directed everywhere that ComStar had a presence. And general espionage shennanigans.

There weren't major offensives against the Periphery nations in the sense of troop movements of the 1st and 2nd SWs or Operation Rat, but that doesn't mean they didn't feel the effects of the tech losses either.

>>52200648
>A Manticore is nice, but that 240 could put a salvaged Clint, Centiron or goddamn Awesome back on the line. You can see why tanks start to get stripped.

But that's all been retconned away.

I mean, when you make an engine, you have to point out the type of uit it's powering and the unit's mass. A 300 Vlar engine in a marauder is not the same 300 Vlar engine inside a Dragon which is not the same 300 Vlar engine as inside a hypothetical tank (don't recall which tank uses a 300 SFE).

So with the change in the construction rules, there was never any point in stripped SFE from tanks to power Mechs in the first place, since the engines didn't work across unit types. Which means that since the Canopians are manufacturing 60-ton Vehicle 240-rated SFEs, they might as well make Manticores since there's nothing else they can use the engine for.

>the retcon is stupid, mind, but it's still a retcon.

>>52200706

>The majority of SFEs used by tanks don't match with sizes used by tanks.

Second "tanks" should be 'Mechs/ASF.

>>52200763
This is my new headcanon

>>52200706
Well, the J. Edgar never really made sense. Goddamn close to a million c-bills for something that is barely better then a Savannah Master

>>52200769

They changed it a bit. Now you have to use FrankenUnit rules to install it and the only thing it really does is prevent people from buying 300-rated engines for 1-ton units to avoid the price markups.

OTOH a bunch of SFE tank engines are unusable for anything else due simply to their power ratings.

>>52200824
Yeah, 'mech creation rules mean you'd never generate one that needs a 145

>>52200686

>Except, of course, for the general level of infrastructure and tech in the Periphery going UP for the next 150 years thanks to the Star League. And once they had that infrastructure, nobody ever came and blew it up, or went around killing engineers, or anything to shut it down (because neither FASA nor CGL have ever said that happened).

You do realise that the Reunification War SB and other Periphery material specifically says the SL made a point of gimping everything they let the Periphery have so they had to be overwhelmingly reliant on imports, right?

Imports that stopped the second the SWs started, and which put the Periphery nations on a downward spiral since they couldn't get the stuff they needed anywhere else but also couldn't build stuff by themselves?

So you know how you're saying it was never shown? It was shown.

>>52200763
>Probably sold them to the Houses piecemeal to keep the fight going.

I get the idea of selling off their Warships, but what "fight" is there? As mentioned above, canonically the only major conflict between a successor house and a periphery state in the succession wars was the FWL occupation of Circinus. The TC and MoC and OA were canonically left the hell alone.

Especially given the ludicrous durability of units in Battletech (pull a Mech out of an SLDF depot, give it a fluid change and a new air filter and it's ready to roll), there's no reasonable way that the Periphery states had a drop-off in military strength (since there's no casualties from those non-existent conflicts), and since nobody's attacking them and nobody's screwing with their infrastructure it's not like their unit production should fall completely apart.

The only explanation is FASAnomics. As in, "it happened because we want the setting to look like this, deal with it." In which case there's no point discussing it.

>>52200768
>Holy Shroud

Holy Shroud I and II only targeted the great Houses. The Periphery was left alone. The sole exception to that was when Comstar got involved with the Tirpitz Affair in the TC. Also, note that they only blew up the Warship. Critically, they didn't stay out there and blow up THE RECOVERY CREW who clearly knew the ins and outs of Warship design and operation well enough to get the Tirpitz underway. If you're going to kill off knowledge, that would have been a good starting point.

>>52200768
>Aside from the wrack and ruin of whole planets being depopulated when water and air filtration or terraforming technologies broke down, which was a much bigger issue for the Periphery than the IS
I believe that was canonically because the Star League forced them to only use tech built in the Hegemony for that, and of course the 1st succession war put paid to those factories
>>52200763
if I were rewriting things, I'd just have the OA's gradually break down over time, with the last being permanently mothballed just around the time the Invincible went down, the taurians having to also mothball theirs for lack of parts after "unknown attackers" nuked their last shipyard, with the last functional hulls going down fending of an attempted capellan invasion of New Vandenburg, and the MoC's also gradually falling apart, though I could see them being the ones to do the selling to the successor states, but not really the others

>>52200824
>>52200862
IIRC there was once a semi-official rule somewhere that you could tweak it's engine to up or downrate it by 5 points, which puts 145s in line for Valk and Panther engines, so there's that. not much reason for the other three states, though

>>52200927
>IIRC there was once a semi-official rule somewhere that you could tweak it's engine to up or downrate it by 5 points
wasn't that from the Solaris box set?

>>52200883
>hey couldn't get the stuff they needed anywhere else but also couldn't build stuff by themselves?
>also couldn't build stuff by themselves?
>couldn't build stuff

This... in a universe where half-trained 3025-era Periphery techs can hand-machine parts for Mechs that have been out of production for hundreds of years (Clint). In a cave! With a box of scraps!

I think it was NEA who posted the quote that "the difference between reality and fiction is that fiction must be plausible".

Your argument can't find plausibility on a map with both hands and a GPS system. It happened because the plot needed it to happen, not for any valid reason which is internally consistent to the existing universe.

>>52200974
>which is internally consistent to the existing universe.
it's internally consistent in that like everything else in battletech, it's not internally consistent.
the lack of consistency is the consistent part

>>52200915
he means the fight between the houses. As in, the peripherats sold their shit to the Houses so they could keep wrecking each other.

>>52200974

>It happened because the plot needed it to happen, not for any valid reason which is internally consistent to the existing universe.

I'm not sure what you're arguing about here, whether the Periphery was making SFE-powered tanks, or whether that makes sense in a setting where the great powers struggled to make SFE-powered tanks and were in the process of stripping SFEs from tanks to use on 'Mechs and ASFs.

The fluff does say they were building the Manticore and J. Edgar. Nobody is disputing that.

People are, however, saying that it doesn't make sense if the NAIS-headed Federated Suns is yanking J. Edgar engines to use on God knows what, and also that there's no compelling reason to yoink the Manticore line from the Magistracy and give it to the Taurians.

>>52201032

Which, incidentally, is why the sudden MOC buildup in the Trinity Alliance isn't a problem. The Capellans simply sold several regiments of mechs to the MOC in recognition of both the current alliance and the several hundred years of fairly-priced military aid provided by the Canopian state. The Capellans pay our debts.

I don't honestly understand why people get their panties in such a twist about it. There's noting wrong with partners in an alliance propping each other up with military hardware. Shit, look at the Warsaw Pact and count the T54s and T72s outside of USSR borders. Giving Canopians a shitton of Vindicators and Thunders is basically the same thing.

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What are your favorite 40 ton and 60 ton mechs?

>>52200822
>cost

This sort of invokes the whole FASAnomics angle, but really the idea of having military hardware have a sort of cut-and-dried price tag, like a product you buy off a shelf, is actually a tremendous oversimplification of how military procurement works (or doesn't work, depending on which side of the fence you're on).

>>52201147
>Which, incidentally, is why the sudden MOC buildup in the Trinity Alliance isn't a problem. The Capellans simply sold several regiments of mechs to the MOC

The buildup happened before the Trinity Alliance. And the Capellans didn't have several regiments of mechs to sell since the Trinity Alliance was taking place during the Chaos March times, which was the thing that caused Sun-Tzu to reach out in the first place because he needed more mechs to support his claims to planets.

>>52201204
I think he was being sarcastic. Parodying the nonsense MadCap says.

>>52201231

Sufficiently advanced MadCapping is indistinguishable from genuine retardation.

>>52201188
Also things like Andurien Aerotech selling to the FWL, and at the same time shipping stuff back to Andurien without it getting seized by the FWL

Or the FWL selling mechs to the Lyrans. Like, why?

>>52201253
>Also things like Andurien Aerotech selling to the FWL, and at the same time shipping stuff back to Andurien without it getting seized by the FWL
I'm sorry, could you elaborate?

>>52201266
Andurien Aerotech, iirc, has a plant that's in the FWL. They sell to the FWL. They also ship stuff from there back to Andurien. A nation openly opposed to the FWL.

It would be like a German company selling Panthers made in Stalingrad to the Russians while also shipping them home to defend Berlin from the Russians.

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>>52201250
Honestly I have trouble telling when people are being sarcastic or ironically retarded here anymore. Sometimes I start participating in a fluff debate and then question if the other guy isn't being silly because of some obviously nonsensical thing he said, and then wonder if maybe some hyperbole I laid out has him wondering the same about me.

>>52201313
Oh are you talking Derp Age stuff?

>>52201313

...

Andurien is part of the FWL.

But with this level of canon knowledge and deductive reasoning I'm sure you could make Line Developer in no time if you want to apply to CGL for a writing position.

>>52201165
>60

Kind of hard. I really like the Catapult, it's a classic and a really solid design.

>40

Clint, I think. Old school but there's something very satisfying about slapping a bitch around for 15 damage at 3025 in a 40 tonner.

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>>52201327
Well, there are plenty of other examples, that was just the one that came to mind because i was looking at it recently.

>>52201334
Pic related

>>52201334
He has to be talking about the current era when they're buttbuddies with the Cappies. It doesn't make much sense, which is what he's saying, but we're in an amazing Dark Age so whatever.

>>52201165
I like the Cicada, actually, and the Rifleman gets a soft spot in my heart from years of robotech RPG piloting of it's counterpart

>>52201359
Gotcha, I suspected as much. It really is some nonsense.

>>52201374
The Cicada does get a lot of high-tech love. I do like the -3M

>>52201334
>with this level of canon knowledge and deductive reasoning

Critical self-awareness failure

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>>52201448
>I do like the -3M
What the fuck

>>52201453

Then specify that it's in the Dark Age, numb nuts.

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>>52201448
I've always been fond of the -3F myself.

>>52201470
Or you could apply deductive reasoning to your canon knowledge. Now fade into anonymity and come back again later, fuckstick. You're not recovering from that one.

>>52201448
like practically everything else in the universe with a UAC/5, the -3M is really nice if you replace it with an ERPPC and armor, making it into a really nasty little sniper

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>>52201482
I don't dislike it, I just feel like it starts to get expensive, especially because I always want to put someone with a good PSR in a hopping-Cicada.

I don't know if you've all heard, but mwo is moving up in the timescale and thus releasing some new mech model concept arts.

If you're curious you can also just go to the /vg thread
>>>/vg/171157643

>>52201514
I can see what you mean.

Btw, you have any more gifs or pics of the HBS battletech game? It looks neat.

>>52198124
I was honestly expecting a comment with 'THICC' when I first saw second one.

>>52201488

Or you could realise that the Westover plant you're bitching about sells to the FWL and its allies and the FWL can't do shit about the factories in Andurien unless it invades.

That works too.

>>52200165
Oh don't get me wrong, I prefer classic BT. But there are days I'd like to be able to finish a company+ sized game in less than a week.

>>52201448
On whose side? Because if it's your enemy's that totally makes sense. Otherwise, no, it's a terrible design.

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>>52201543
Sure, they are from https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech/posts/1768032

>>52200165
Never played AlphaStrike. What's it like compared to standard BT?

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>>52201615
Thanks

>>52201621
Much simplified and faster, I'm given to understand.

I want to pick it up to have something to do big games with, as it's basically a reworked Battleforce with minis play in mind.

I'm just not sure whether I should hold out for the box set or if I should just buy the book.

>>52201165

60:
Lancelot
40:
Whitworth

>>52201349
Catapult is 65 tons mate.

>>52201543
Here's a video about the game:

https://youtu.be/5-yEnghJTec

>>52201561
That's exactly his point though. Why is it Andurien Aerotech instead of getting nationalized as FWL Flyers?

>>52187529
Not true in all cases. It is in mine, but my younger half-brother is successful, attractive, a body-builder, intelligent, and has a good sense of humor, but he can't find any women worth keeping. Yes, I'm envious, fuck off.

>>52201165
Don't care how cheese 40 ton Pouncer, it's mean.
Sha Yu is also pretty great
60
lot harder to choose
Grand Dragon
Vulture
Ostol

>>52201829
Because they would just have to re-rename it when the FWL reforms.
Buy seriously, changing the names of factories based on current ownership is another level of bookkeeping that they would fail, so it as better to keep it as it is and bitch about that the instead of bitching about how they forgot to include the new name.

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>>52184394
I want that 'Mech painted in the colors of pic related.

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So... I used to play this back in '02-'06 or so.
Whatever happened to it?

Does anyone still play it? Is it verboten around here? I swear I got figures somewhere at mom's house.

>>52202358
Brought a lot of new players into classic BT, probably kept the franchise alive overall. Died, as I understand it, as the result of skyhigh oil prices forcing expenses up down (remember that?), and probably shit playtesting which annoyed a lot of people at the time. Still has a lingering playerbase, but nothing huge; such is the way of collectible games without a constant crack supply being trickled out.

>>52202358
>>52202358
>Is it verboten around here
well, the gameplay is nothing memorable, and many people around here's opinion of what it did with the lore could be charitably described as 'dire'

>>52201253
This could actually be plausible in some sort of megacorporation scenario where the company is actually an entity independent of both nations and in full ownership of the planet - isn't Defiance Industries supposed to be almost quasi-independent like this?

Or this could also be happening under the table ala Gundam's Anaheim Electronics.

>>52202358
As with a lot of Wizkid's Clix games, oversaturation and rules bloat along with thinning profit margins did it in. Collectible business models are very tough to sustain over the long term - at some point people have bought it all and aren't willing to buy more, especially when the price point and storage necessities for plastic models are much higher than say, cards.

It held on for a little longer than their fantasy offering, MageKnight (RIP). MWDA looked pretty interesting but I had gotten too burned on Mageknight before.

Does Mimetic Armor on BA work against infantry?

>>52202601

Yes. Check page 215 of TW. Modifiers from Stealth equipment doesn't apply to Conventional Infantry, but modifiers from Mimetic and Camo do. Unless its been errata'd of course.

Xotl, paging Xotl...

>Theta Galaxy is the most successful of the new garrison formations, boasting the highest skill levels and retention rate. Formed in the days after the announcement of the Wolf Empire, Wolf recruiters made much of the “betrayal” by the Lyran Commonwealth and the chance for Clan Wolf and the Marik-Stewart Commonwealth to hit back at the Steiners together.

Just another nonsensical bit of 3145 fluff

>>52203620

>Makes you miss Stackpoll

Goddamn, CGL

>>52203620
>Yeah, I'll join up with the Clan bastards who just got done destroying my nation because they were hired by the Elsies!

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>>52197654
Pls, please either move the legs further back on the hips or redice the delth of the hip&torsor.

>>52197654
Kek, does that thing have a LAMS in the head?

Also
>Novastar
>has missile weapons
Fail.

>>52203793

The Lyrans were retarded for doing it too.

"Let's just put the Wolves up against impossible odds and then abandon them right when we need help! Clearly this is a thing no-one else has ever tried and a master plan that will work perfectly!

What do you mean, did I read The Clans: Warriors of Kerensky where Phelan said the Widowmakers did exactly this and then the Wolves were super pissy and also it's a bad idea to fight the FWL with the Jade Falcons getting antsy? Are YOU the Archon? No? Then fuck off."

>>52204109
What can I say, the Nova Cats loved LRM10s

>>52204325
Failclan designs failmech; news at 11.

I'm sure it's a fine machine, but anything with "Nova" in the name should be all energy all the time in my opinion.

>>52204391
I'll make a variant just for you, anon.

>>52204403
As many ERMPLs and DHS as will fit. And keep the LAMS.

>>52204501
I think the crits will be a problem, but I'll see when I get home.

>>52204501
yeah, the crits will be rough. I'll take another crack at it later.

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Opinions on the viability of Coolant Pods?

>>52205409
Barely even worth thinking about before RHS. Absolutely not worth thinking about now that it exists.

>>52205409
Garbage in anything but a Solaris match or clanner trial. They have no longevity for a real campaign or big force match. You're better off just riding the heat curve.

Radical Heat Sinks are better if you want the full supernova madman experience.

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>>52205409
They'd make more sense in introtech.

>>52201829
There's a lot of things that *should* have happened in BT lore. Not even life-shattering major plot stuff. Just little things that would make sense, like Andurien Aerotech being nationalized or something. Or literally any Humphreys except Catherine 2: Electric Boogaloo being allowed to take power.
But it didn't happen. Because reasons.

>>52204301
Par for the course for Lyran military competence. The best they ever had was the 11th Arcturan Guards battlegroup, and they died on Tharkad in the beginning of the Jihad.

>>52205801
>like Andurien Aerotech being nationalized or something.

They were after the Andurien rebellion in the 3030's, along with all Andurien military production facilities. That fell apart when the federal authority of the league fractured and it became a free for all in the 3070's. Same way the FWL navy and the federal troops split up their allegiences and became provincial troops of various kinds.

>>52205946
The FWL Feds actually put the board back in control. It was the Andurien rebels who nationalised it. But thanks for reminding me of the shitty jihad plot that made no sense. Federal regiments being ignored the entire story until Final Reckoning and then being blurbed as "oh they joined X province because". What a hot mess WizKids left us with.

>>52203453
Yo.