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Transports are for pussies edition

Old thread >>52086932

>Dank Daily Duncan is dead and you fuckers killed him. Those of you who actually want his videos, go here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEaPE4sLDA7s-26V0v6SepDFiznb3y6hx.

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>Latest GW teases
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>Latest GW FAQs. They're really fired up!
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Post risqué 40k.
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pls r8 my emperor's wrath artillery company commander
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If they ditch Chapter tactics in Eighth I will be so pissed.
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>>52091764
Actual daily duncan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p-md0Mw8k4
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>>52091793

Chapter traits >>>>>>>>>> Chapter tactics
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>>52091793
>believing a bunch of anon """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""leakers"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
Every single one of them is full of shit. The only reason they would seem to have any credibility is because if enough people shout shit then one of them is bound to be right at least once.
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>>52091764

we're missing this mega in OP
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>>52091764
>that paintjob
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>>52091819
Sorry friend just copy/pasted the old one and haven't done this before.
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>>52091783
moldlines on the hands/10
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>>52091817
I'm taking it with a hefty amount of salt of course, but the mere notion of it does disturb me.
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Reminder the game is going to be the Imperium vs Chaos with all xenos being squatted.
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>>52091764
Every time I see a painted Vyridian or Celestine I get mad.

Going to ask for a refund I'm tired of waiting for my shit.
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>>52091881
fuck, you know how hard those are to spot if not for the super up close shot?
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>>52091898
Xenos have already been confirmed to be a side line threat multiple times.

Chaos is the true danger.
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>>52091881
fml
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Anyone mind rating my first guardsman? The base is supposed to be a road.
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>>52091783

Looking good
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>>52091917

The reason people are consistently incredulous about this is because they've consistently failed to actually portray that.
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>>52091927
Oh, I'm not saying it makes any sense. I'm just repeating what GW keeps saying.
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>>52091764
Lord Commander of the Imperium, and our spiritural liege, Roboute Guilliman.
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>>52091922
About as good as a first mini is gonna get 2bh(unless you are an """artist"")
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>>52091922

Looks great anon
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>>52091922
Diplomatic immunity/10
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>>52091922
I told you, he looks great, but you need to crop the pic and focus on the guardsman. This will reduce the filesize as well as make the guardsman more visible.
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>>52091937
You're saying it to bait regardless
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>>52091783
10/10 would shell heretics with

I think being in a nice comfy artillery company would be a decent posting for a guardsman
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>>52091943
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Judging by the contents of the fluff portion of Rise of The Primarch, we'll probably be getting an Armageddon campaign supplement at some point. In it, they will most likely They'll update Orks, who definitely need it.

On the Imperium side of things, I am hopeful that we get some Black Templar content, such as a formation that suits the playstyle and doesn't require the purchase of $120 worth of non-Templar models, and perhaps a new Grimaldus model and a upgrade pack.

Of course, the more likely scenario is that the Templars will succumb to the Worf effect and be killed off to demonstrate how strong the Orks/Chaos/whatever is (I mention Chaos because RoTP mentions Armageddon being affected by Chaos and Malefic phenomena).
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>>52091783
Nice job dude, I love it.
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>>52091986
>black templars
>killed off
Doubt. Though I imagine they'd get a plastic emperor's champion before any unique characters.
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>>52092004
I don't mean the Chapter as a whole, but perhaps the Armageddon Crusade.

I
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>UK Games Expo are delighted to be able to announce the exciting news that Games Workshop is going to be exhibiting for the first time at UK Games Expo and they are coming onboard in a large way with a stand of 150 sqm.
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So a guy I know likes to talk about how godly his double skyhammer 1850 points list is. He seems certain he can force capitulation on anyone in three turns or less.

I got an emp's fist, two infantry platoons with lots of autocannons and a priest each, two mounted veterans and a mounted ccs with the usual accompaniment of special weapons. I can tailor vehicle and infantry weapons but I'm not tailoring the whole army for one guy. Is their any way I can stop him, or should I just say

> "yes, you'll always win. Your a winner, now please let this loser enjoy game"

And hope he goes away?
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>>52091783
>different colored medals
Dunno how you niggers do shit like that without slopping it
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>>52091986
Isn't the Armageddon conflict already finished and Helbrecht, Grimaldus and best-boy Andrej together with the last Celestial Lion already left the planet in pursuit of Ghazzy, even confronting him already?

I highly doubt they'd make a supplement for it at this point.
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>>52092055
Small brush. Brace your hands.
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Who /servant of the 4 armed Emperor/ here?
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So apparently there was a Webway Gate on Luna the whole time that the Emperor, Magnus and Malcador couldn't find.

Yeah that's bullshit
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did they actually ship celestine and greyfax

is this real
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>>52091793
The only chapter tactic available will be white scars again.
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>>52091783
>2.4 MB
REEEEEE CROP YOUR PICS

nice dude tho
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>>52092078
You mentioned three biggest dumbasses and failures in Galaxy, even Bobby screamed how dad failed him.
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>>52092090
Yes, retarded /u/ faggots shipped Celestine and Greyfax, nobody else did though.
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>>52092074
Your mom.
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>>52092101
>Malcador a dumbass and failure
u wot
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>>52092066
I have read Helsreach and the Celestial Lions story, but wasn't the end of the Armageddon conflict retconned though?
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I fell for a meme and bought the Slambo kit. What should I use him as in 40k?
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>>52091783
Veeeeeeeery Good! I recommend you build your ccs personnel to all support his pose. So one guy looking at a map, one (or two) guy(s) relaying orders on a vox, one guy looking through the binocs, and maybe one guy standing guard.

I'm hoping to make each of my squads enact a "scene" together to make them more different. Having one squad all shooting, one all charging, one appearing to be receiving medical aid or as walking wounded, etc.
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Anybody got the Fallen wargear options or their formation?
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>>52092028
>And hope he goes away?

Pretty much. Don't play him, convince other people not to play him. If he keeps badgering you about how great his army is, just congratulate him on winning so hard that no-one can be bothered giving him a game.
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>>52092117
Not sure. Last thing I remember reading (think it was even in Fall of Cadia? Don't quote me on that though) was that the Black Templar fleet and Yarrick caught up with the Orks.
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>>52092090

바보.
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>>52091856
not your fault, it's been missing for a while
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>>52092074
>Genestealer with a Chaos star
what did they mean by this
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>>52092122
Something Chaos, of course.
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>>52092028
It's doable, but won't be enjoyable. Just tell him to fuck off.
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>>52092150
Well yeah I thought that was a gibbon, but like what? Chaos Lord? Berzerker Champion?
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>>52092165
I'd personally probably convert him into riding some chaos steed and use him as a mounted Chaos Lord.
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>>52092139
The only reason I ask is because the 7th edition SM codex, which released after the Blood and Fire short story, has the beginning of the 3rd War for Armageddon as one of the last events on the timeline, and makes no mention of its resolution.
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>>52092143
Way way back in the very early fluff, before Genestealers were connected to the Tyranids, Patriarchs were able to turn to Chaos if they felt there was no other way they could undermine and conquer the world their cult was developing on. That aspect hasn't carried over to the new fluff.
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hasting rumors on war of sigmar comments

>I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade 2 ;) (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon ;) )
>Without trying to sound like a dick I've known for almost 9 months where this story was going and who revived RG etc. if the rest of what I was told is true (new marines, Mortarion and his plague armies etc.) then there are truly some very exciting times coming for 40k players/hobbyists!"
>See... new marines ;)
>I am referring to a totally new kind of Marine, those created on Mars by Cawl & RG along with the other new machineries of war.
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>>52092055
Buy a magnifying glass, grab an led strip light from Home Depot, brace hands, thin paints with proper thinner to maintain cohesiveness, USE CLEAN, NEAT, FREAQUENTLY WASHED BRUSHES, paint the gun arms before assembly (paint tape over the part of the arm/torso to be glued together before priming), prime before painting, and lots of practice.


...are all things I should probably be doing. :p
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>>52092172
Is that pre 3rd edition fluff or something
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What's the best way to run a Cyclopia Cabal? Ideally, I want to keep the point cost of the unit lower, so I don't want to go overkill with marks or wargear.
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>>52092203
It's Rogue Trader-era fluff. So the very first incarnation of 40k. It might have carried over to the early days of 2nd edition but didn't persist beyond that.
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>>52091986
>templars being killed off
>this is what xenos and heretics actually believe
You cannot stop the crusade
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>>52092090
I demand Rowboat x Yvraine fanfiction.
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>>52092193
>Mortarion and his plague armies
I prefer Angron though.
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>>52092140
and a baka senpai to you
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>>52092125
gee thanks anon. yea I have the support squad kitted out with the foldable stock las guns and i tried to make them doing stuff. none of them have the flakk armor vests, so they just look like crewman really. like why would they be wearing armor if they are artillery dudes amirite?
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>>52092193
preview
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>>52092193
>hastings
Ignored.
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>>52092219
Oh, don't misunderstand, I am a Templar through and through. My Zeal is strong. I fear I cannot say the same for those at GW, however.
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>>52092090
>Celestine knows greyfax hates her
>bullies greyfax anyways
>grumpyfax gets sour about it
>you can feel the sexual tension
How can you not ship them? Its simply too perfect
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>>52092171
They don't have conclusions to most of those timeline pieces. I'd not count it as a hard retcon if it's not stated that something ended differently.
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From the last thread saw an anon type say

>New mark of space marine armour has been spotted in development. Sleeker, more modern and much larger than current marine armour. Stands over a head taller than current marines. Part of a range overhaul as a flagship army for the new rule system

You are absolutley right. I can confirm this because... My friend who lives in Nottingham was in a pub (not Bugmans) and who was there? None other than Jes Goodwin talking 40k. He then started talking about 8th and our new marines...

Mrk 10 Marines.

Guilliman decides even the Space Marines need further advancement if theyre to reconquer the galaxy.

Mrk 10 are super Space Marines endorsed by BobbyG himself, Cawl may be involved but he could not hear the details.

Guess what Chaos gets them too.
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>>52092171
Rise of The Primarch mentions a concurrent Ork campaign on Armageddon, as well as Warp disturbances like everywhere else.
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>>52091927
Nids are the ultimate big bad guy. An endless swarm of death that cannot ever be reasoned with.
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>>52092193
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/warofsigmar/war_of_sigmar_rumors_and_rules_for_age_of_sigmar_6694/
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>>52092252
I can see them discontinuing the products sure, but you can't kill off Templars in fluff, it's practically impossible. They have no home planet, even if you killed every Templar in the galaxy, new ones would be made.
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>>52092234
I want this.

I want this.

I want this.
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I've been given a Leman Russ Demolisher kit - which one of the variants should I assemble?

Lookswise I like the Executioner most but I've heard the Punisher performs best? (With Pask)
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>>52092201
>Sub-assemblies on troopers
No thanks
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>>52092236
Angron, Lorgar and Perturabo seem to be sitting on their asses. Not too excited by the comeback of their dear brother.
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>>52092276
>endless
But they aren't endless, that's literally chaos with the endless hordes of demons.
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>>52092267
>Bobby G makes new Marines
>Fabius Bile is butthurt so he makes his OWN even BETTER Marines.

It's like pottery.
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>>52092267
>mark 8 armor not even in full production
>already moving on to mark 10
wtf admech
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>>52092307
nine doesn't exist in the forty first millennium
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>>52092296
>Angron, Lorgar and Perturabo seem to be sitting on their asses.

Angron came out to party in Armageddon
Perturabo is waiting for Dorn
Lorgar is Lorgar
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>>52092296
> Lorgar
> Hating on BobbyG with a passion
> Sitting on his ass

Now that's just wierd.
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>>52092313
>forty first millennium
we're in the 42nd now
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>>52092234
>Rowboat x Yvraine
>basically a buffed up mini-hulk and a pointy-eared elf girl

There's this artist called 'legoman' who makes these Zelda sketches...
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>make the model slightly bigger so the goy...I mean space marine fans have to buy new ones
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>>52092234
JUST FUCK ALREADY HOLY SHIT
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>>52091783
>No Volkov's Cane
Make sure your Basilisks always ignore cover!
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>>52092267
I wonder if they'll also look AdMech-y because of Cawl's direct influence.
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>>52091986
Who killed abbadon. Did they get to earth?
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For the guy asking for mathhammer last thread:
10 Sicarian infiltrators with taser goads and the pashe tasers do 1.472.... Wounds per round.

Guilliman does 6.0855.... Wounds per round.

Guilliman wins, due to higher initative he won't take a single wound.

Constantin Valdor
Valdor does .4629.... Per round

Bobby G does 3.065 wounds per round

Guilliman squats the slav in one game turn.

20 secutarii hoplites
Don't even need to do the math to say they die. WS3 1W 1A 5++ models will not beat Guilliman.

Still working on the GS and patriarch, but I'm going to predict they lose.
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>>52092289
Pit one 1/3" magnet on the back of the little plastic hinge that controls gun elevation, then put a 1/8" magnet in the cavities of each main gun mold.

Boom! Choosing is no longer a problem! Demolishers for murdering vehicles or walker squadrons
Punishers for light-medium infantry
Executioners for monstrous creatures and heavy infantry
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>>52092348
Abby's still alive
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>>52092341
>anytime a business does what literally every business in existence has ever done, it's a Jewish plot and the people who buy new stuff are sheep
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>>52092344
>Make sure your basilisks always ignore cover
Is a weird way to say
>make sure your manticore always ignores cover
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>>52092341
You mean the bases? Because Marines haven't changed size.
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>>52092369
Never mentioned the jews
My large nosed friend
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>>52092307
I think this is Guilliman's fault. We already know he can't do maths, he wrote down the Space Marine chapter numbers and missed a zero or two.
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Is it possible to have a marine heavy EC army in 40k?

I know almost nothing about chaos in 40k. But really like fulgrim, the EC color scheme, and their fluff.

I don't want to get into 30k because no one around here plays it.
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>>52092296
I'm oh so mad about this.

The THOUSAND SONS AND BLACK LEGION invade Macragge. Robert Gullman fights MAGNUS.

No mention of Word Bearers at all. None.

I'm mad.
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>>52092426
well, the word bearers fear the ultramarines
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>>52092408
Sure you didn't my grognard amigo. Why do people always get surprised when businesses do things that makes them money? Do you not understand how business works? Do you think gw makes happy little toy soldiers to just hand out freely to retarded /pol/acks who are so shit with money they have to bitch everytime they pay for something?
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>>52092028
I ran this list in an unbound tournament once. I love kanz.

>He seems certain he can force capitulation on anyone in three turns or less

He would weap.
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>>52092381
I mean, AP4 ignore cover is a fun little roundabout way of saying the enemy will always have their armor save. It's like you don't even want to dislodge Havocs and Devastators or destroy Jinking bikers of any variety.

Don't tell me you're one of those 2 Wyvern and a Manticore Wrath players. You can take the Wyvern in a CAD! Don't waste out on the only time Basilisks are truly good.
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Do Primarchs have working genitalia or were they chem-gelded like their Astartes children?
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Ok so I've not payed attention for a year now to 40k.
What's happened in the interim time of note?
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>>52092422
Yeah Emperor's Children are pretty good right now, actually.

>>52092442
The Word Bearers have ended several UM sucessor chapters, most notably the Black Consuls, one of the Astartes Praeses, and have also taken out one of two Chapter Masters and Companies of the Black Consuls' twin chapter, the White Consuls, another of the Astartes Praeses.
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>>52092267
I live in Nottingham, do you know the name of the pub?
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>>52092471
>The word bearers have avoided directly confronting the ultramarines
yes I know that
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>>52092074
>When you realize ur Star-gods are monsters who wanna eat u but ur still fighting
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>>52092469
magnus back
fenris devastated
space wolf CM grimnar has a khorne daemon axe
cadia kill
guilliman back
ynnead sorta maybe in its infant stage
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>>52092313
what are hazard suits then
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>>52092493
another flagrant example of forgeworld's inability to use the proper numbers
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>>52092492
>magnus back
Neat
>Fenris devastated
As expected considering the red cyclops is back.
>Grimnar has a khornate axe
What could possibly go wrong.
>cadia kill
If this becomes another End Times I swear...
>Gorillaman back
Hoo boy time for more smurfs.
>ynnead
It's the End Times all over again isn't it?
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Is there a Gathering Storm III PDF yet? I found nothing in OP mega
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>>52092469
Saint celestine went super saiyan and got into a Lesbian relationship with a 7000 year old inquisitor named Katarinya greyfax, Gulliman got revived and is banging an ancient eldar witch, Abby is still single and unloved by all 4 chaos gods, they frequently mock him infront of his friends, and the space yiffs almost got genocided but were unfortunately saved. Also cadia is kil
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>>52092453
My list > Your list
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>>52092529
It's not end-times. GW guys keep saying so but nobody on /tg/ seems to care.
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>>52092529
>It's the End Times all over again isn't it?
No, they're just making more fight big. This is closer in tone to storm of chaos, for better or worse.
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>>52092234
Y E S
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>>52092529
They don't treat it as end times in-studio and said it's not end times nor a Sigmar'ing several times.

Guilliman is properly uniting the Imperium under him and starting a new Crusade with the overall powerlevel of everything probably going up and the rules most likely being more streamlined, but not as much as in AoS.
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>>52092426
Magnus is just being an ass because he got too excited with his keikaku on Fenris. They probably took him out of the picture for now so that when he does break free, Russ will be back and they can have a loving family reunion.
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>>52092544
Don't forget in the process of Cadia being killed, the Guard were completely pushed to the side and nothing of note happened to them other than Creed getting Pokeball'd and Kell dying.
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>>52092242
I unironically like the design for sigmarines
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>>52092544
>space yiffs almost got genocided but were unfortunately saved
Russ should really stop with all those warp fuckery ale, purple hooker with crab claws and get on his ass already.
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>>52092486
>Spouting Imperial propaganda about the great family
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>>52092535
It hasn't even fucking released yet
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>>52092469
Celestine went full T H I C C
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>>52092576
the helmets are trash

if they had cooler helmets I would probably like them, since headswaps improve the models immensely
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>>52092590
Oh well, fuck me - I saw a pic of the last page so I thought it is somewhere
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>>52092576
Honestly so do I, they can be painted quite nicely. I just wanted to draw the parallel with this "new bigger and shinier marines" crap
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No one talking about how incredible Sylandri is? I mean she's had a hand in almost every major ever we've seen now.

The bitch seems to be the greatest manipulator the galaxy's ever seen.
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Should I make my tiny men into rangers or vanguards or 5 of each?
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>>52092616
The last thread has the entire fluff section - someone took pictures of each page. Go there.
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>>52092558
>>52092560
Well that's a relief.
>storm of chaos
>inb4 Orks steal Chaos' thunder again.
Ghazzy ripping off Abby's arms would be great though.
>>52092572
>Rowboat is getting shit done
About time someone did.
>>52092599
Anon pls, I can't handle this plus Banshee hips too.
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Favorite loyalist SM army?
Favorite renegade SM army?

White Scars
Night Lords
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>>52092641

Black Templars

Iron Warriors
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>>52092633

Vanguard.
If you get assaulted, you want to make sure you give the aggressors cancer.
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>>52092101
How did the fucking Emperor and Magnus not poke through pussy Eldar WARDS!
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>>52092471
Are they mostly marines? I don't really like daemons, I think they are weird to play with.
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>>52092641
Dark Angels

Iron Warriors.
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>>52092641
Raven Guard
Thousad Sons
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>>52092641
Flesh Tearers
Sons of Malice
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>>52092028
I think you can do it. If you spread your guys out nicely, none of the drop pod meltas can reach your tanks. Another thing you can do is use a 10 man squad not in a blob and use it as a buffer. He'll shoot it thinking it might be part of the blob only to shoot and assault a throw away unit.

What tanks are you bringing? I really like Exterminators with Multi-Meltas and a Lascannon. Battle Tanks are good against Skyhammer lists because of all the small units. Armored Sentinels are also pretty good because they can tarpit squads or use a Plasma Cannon to delete them.
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>>52092656
I can't argue with this logic. Also, their helmets are ELITE
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New to 40k. Confused about IC rules. So let's say I have a herald of slaanesh. Can he/she/it hop into a unit of daemonettes even if it's not listed in the unit in the listbuilder? Does this apply to daemon princes and stuff like that?
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>>52092658
Word Bearers? No. In fact, Daemon Summoning is currently their main schtick.
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>>52092700
Don't completely disregard Rangers in the future, though. They still have their use and are highly useful as a support fire group due to how low the Vanguard range is.
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>>52092714
Yes for the herald, Monstrous creatures cannot join units. List builder is a bad idea if you are new, write out your lists to better understand what you are doing.
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>>52092193
>Mortarion and his plague armies
Excellent
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>>52092714
>Can he/she/it hop into a unit
In, and out if they want to, yes.

>Does this apply to daemon princes
daemon princes are not independent characters, so they cannot join units
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>Black Legion will never get its own codex and be called Abaddon's chosen or some shit
>And the World Bearers become the CSM posterboys

Why boyz, why
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>>52092028
Field a void shield generator. It literally makes your army immune to graviton.
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>>52092172
>That aspect hasn't carried over to the new fluff.

There's Chaos Genstealer cults in the new book as well.
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>>52092769
How close do they have to be to a unit to hop on in? Like they can't jump across a battlefield. I'd assume like 2-3"
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>>52092193
> Tfw collecting BA
> Their primarch is super dead.
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>>52092779
not anymore it doesn't. Check the FAQ
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>>52091986
>they'll most likely update the Orks
No! It's a trap! Listen to me my greenskinned friends. My faction, the Dark Eldar, got a so called update. We're now considered mid tier simply because wraithguard can ride in our transports. Is there a more pathetic way for a faction to go down?

You must rebel against this so called update. Before you end up as a glorified riptide buff or something. I know you're in a shit spot right now. But things can ALWAYS get worse.
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>>52092777
>World Bearers
???
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>>52092787
The rules for ICs (including the answer to that question) are spelled out very clearly in the rulebook.
Short answer: 2"
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>>52092698
Like I said, the tank weapons can be mix and mached. But my current form is double vanquisher (emp's fist makes this decent under a commander), exterminator with hbs, erAdicator with hbs, and a battle tank.

Meltas I can handle, because the emp's fist lets me reroll damage and 14/13 armor is quite melta resistant when hidden behind infantry. But he uses grav so it doesn't matter. 2 hits kill a tank thanks to the immobilization rule.
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>>52092788
Sanguinor my dude
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You know, I was actually excited for 8th edition; but, these rumors have killed all my excitement.

I wanted to see the rules be streamlined, but this "AoS NewMarines" rumor I keep seeing, and the prospect of the existing SM chapters being put to the side in favor of this new army makes me nervous.

I'm not saying that I completely believe the rumors, but given how much I've seen them, and the end of GS III, it seems like a definite possibility.
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Same anon who hasn't been around in a while.
Did nids get buffed yet? I heard about the separate cult codes but what about their main army?
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>>52092782
No there aren't? Unless I missed something reading my book. What exactly are you referring to?
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>>52092806
>simply because wraithguard can ride in our transports
Anon, I have bad news for you.
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>>52092641

Dark Angels


Erm...... also Dark Angels?
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>>52092349
How about 6 necron wraiths. I would say flayed ones but then he would get a silly amount of whirlwind attacks.
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>>52092820

Honestly even this emperor ultramarine thing is flushing a lot of the setting's charm down the drain.
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>>52092787
read your rules, man

it's literally the first thing they talk about in the section with a giant INDEPENDENT CHARACTERS header
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>>52092820
It's because the 40k fanbase has a high concentration of autists. Age of Sigmar only happened because fantasy was falling by the wayside, 40k isn't even comparable.
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>>52092832
>Erm...... also Dark Angels?
BROTHER YOU AREN'T SUGGESTING THE GLORIOUS SERVANTS OF THE LION ARE EVEN SLIGHTLY HERETICAL?
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>>52092824
A genestealer cult pledges allegiance to Nurgle after he shows them the true meaning scary.
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>>52092641
Ultramarines
World Eaters

I like Roman shit
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>>52092819
I'm not gonna bet on that, he doesn't have Sanguinius's fabulous hair.
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>>52092193
>new marines

so the shittest part of the franchise is getting extended to another faction that won't even have the relevance of having primarchs and existing during HH?
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Almost finished this

R8 pls
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>>52092823
nerfed to trash-tier, thanks to Crudace.
Flyrants spam is gonna be 99% of what you'll hear in conversation about competitive tyranids.
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I was putting together some Rubric Marines for the first time and I notived they are significantly taller than most Marines. A sign of things to come?
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I need advice fellow IG players. I currently have 30 Guardsmen, two Leman Russ' (Battle and Exterminator), two Chimeras, a CCS, and a Commissar. What else should I get to build a somewhat decent gunline/blob guard army?
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>>52092845
No of course not Brother, it's just seeing those black legion heretics mocking us with with our own sacred icon
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I dont remember if i posted this one before but here you go
>greyfax on the moon
>without a helmet and not giving a fuck
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>>52092788
>Not believing the Black Rage is Hawkboy trying transform one of his Sons into a vessel capable of containing his essence
>Not realizing that the Death Company are all failed!Sangys
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>>52092838
I was honestly cool with the idea of Roboute shaking things up a bit, and like the idea of the Imperium getting it together a little bit more than it has for the last millennium.

What I don't like is the extremely AoS-esque things I keep hearing about; the newmarines, existing chapters being ignored in favor of the newmarines, etc.
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>>52092858
Maybe, but he sure knows how to throw a punch.
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>>52092863
I was afraid of that.
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>>52092742
Okay good, because I liked the rangers looks too.
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>>52092872

>Manticore
>Wyverns
>Punisher Pask & Executioner
>Aegis defense line
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>>52092886
Well i'll be damned. That'd just too good to be true.
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>>52092847
Ahh found it. But that took them being physically transported through the warp to Nurgle's Garden, the literal center of his power. That's a fair bit different.
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>>52092881

>I'm Greyfax on the moon
>I carry my harpoon
>But there ain't no whales
>So I tell tall tales
>As I sing this jaunty tune
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>>52092881

>Gulliman comes up to Magnus's waist, rather than his knees
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>>52092788
Mine is too. But theres hope that the gods will feel ironic at some point and bring him back to corrupt him.
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>>52092862

huge image/10
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>>52092960
Mags shrank in the wash.
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>>52092881
She's an Inquisitor. She probably has some weird doodad in her hat that takes care of it.
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>>52092881
>fake-out with your sword
>punch him in the balls with your Power Fist
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why Guilliman is the Lord Commander.
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>>52092132
Check the last thread.
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>>52092840
I don't have a hard copy and it's 400 pages
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>>52092881
CATO SICARIUS!
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>>52092997
>'twas all but a ruse!
>I don't actually have balls, hahaha!
>Just as planned!
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>>52093001
Special Rules, Independent Character.
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>>52092997
Magnus doesn't have balls though?
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>>52092881
>By the emperor! Greyfax, you're not wearing a helmet. How can you-
>I'm Greyfax and I can breathe in space.
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So these "Fallen" guys can they be run with Chaos Space Marines?
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>>52092995

That's what the candle is for. It burns the void to provide her with oxygen.
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>>52093001
40k is a complicated game, anon. If you can't be assed to look through the core rulebook, you may need a new hobby.
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Also this
What exactly is cypher carrying
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>>52093046
The Lion's sword
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>>52093046
>What exactly is cypher carrying

The Lion Sword.
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>>52093046
>2.83 MB
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>>52093028
Well he IS a master biomancer. He once grew to the size of a titan to wrestle it during the Crusades.

I'm sure he could have made his "War Form" have protected / relocated his balls to remove such an obvious weakness
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>>52093031
>I'm Commander Grayfax and this is my favorite shop on the moon.
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>>52093046
Could be a fulgurite sword.
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>>52093001
>I don't have a hard copy
so?
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posting again for critique on squad composition

1850 Renegades & Heretics: Vraks Renegade Unending Host

HQ__
Renegade Command Squad
Arch Demagogue
master of the horde, covenant of nurgle, 4x Disciples, Chimera

Troops__
Renegade Infantry Platoon
20x PCS, Demagogue, x3 melta guns, chaos sigil, militia training, meltabombs
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training

Renegade Infantry Platoon
20x PCS, Demagogue, x3 melta guns, chaos sigil, militia training, meltabombs
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training

Renegade Infantry Platoon
20x PCS, Demagogue, x3 melta guns, chaos sigil, militia training, meltabombs
15x Infantry Squad, flamer
15x Infantry Squad, flamer

Fast Attack__
6x Renegade Sentinels
autocannons, camo netting, militia training

Heavy Support__
3x Rapier Lasers
extra crew, militia training

Lords of War__
Renegade Baneblade

The baneblade is bubblewrapped by fearless renegades that provide anything behind each individual squad an improvable 3+ cover save. Each infantry squad comes back onto the board outflanking when they die on the roll of a 2+
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>>52092975

I cant computer
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>>52093046
I assume Guilliman knows that there was only one Lion Sword and he broke it
He's worried by the implications of seeing it in Cypher's hands
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>>52092453
Yez we kan
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Stupid question because I can't figure out where it is in the BRB. What distance do vehicles have to be within to maintain coherency in a squadron? I've been assuming the normal 2", but I've seen a few battle reps where they'r several inches past that.
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>>52093038
Yes they're battle brothers with both CSM and non-Dangle Imperials.
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>>52093072
No he just hates the Dark Angels because Lion el chucked a fit when Gulliman openly betrayed the emperor.
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>>52093098
4"
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>>52093046
Why does the Lion's sword make him shudder in dread?
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>New edition
>New rules
>Thousand Sons might finally not be shit
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>>52093119
Ah, thanks, that gives me much more maneuvering room.
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>>52092641
Salamanders
World Eaters
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>>52093098
6 inches, if I recall
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>>52093130

But anon, Thousand Sons are amazing all you need are 9 sorcerers and Magnus :^)
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>>52093136
It was 6" back in the day. 4" now.
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>>52093121
The Lion is a super autist.
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>>52093136
You recall wrong
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>>52092806
>because wraithguard can ride in our transports

Not anymore. At least not where it matters, turn one before deployment. They have to hop on now via FAQ because they probably realized non scatter deep striking boats with D templates was fucking retarded.
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>>52092837
Pretty evenly matched except the D strikes puts the goldman ahead.
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How do you equip your characters?

To keep my BA captain cheap I gave him just a jump pack, claws and a combi-melta.

S5 with shred should be enough to bring down shit like carnifexes but it makes me think if I should have given him a relic sword instead...
I've got ap2 on the squad but not on him, maybe valours edge?
Maybe should have kept the pistol and given him a power lance as a meme option to spear the shit out of things on the charge, s6 I6 ap3.
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>>52093051
>>52093052
Why would Lion's sword scare Guilliman ?
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I'm more or less new to Warhammer40k and reading the lore of the Imperial Fists I found this guy, Lysander.

For what I can see (and read) he's the Havel The Rock of warhammer, isn't he?
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>>52093099
What do they do vs normal marine fellas?
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>>52093160
They can still DS without scatter just not in a boat.

And thanks to the soul burst rule, if they kill it they get a free action to kill another/run away.
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>>52093160
Ynnari detachment lets them do it again.
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>>52092862

Ok
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>>52093160
What? When was this? And why sm I seeing so many Ynnari lists do this?
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>>52093165
because it's being carried by some shady fuck who isn't the lion
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>>52093165
There's a love letter in the handle and he doesnt want anyone wlse to know about it.
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>>52093163
Take this.
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>>52092817
Bring more infantry. Grav is shit against guard
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Which start collecting Daemons box is the best one? Nurgle seems pretty cool and i think it would be really fun to paint with my brother, but i have a few CSM and Khorne Berserkers so i could maybe do Khorne Daemonkin if i did the Khorne box.
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>>52093167
Not in anyway I can tell.
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>>52093068
I haven't played wh40k in years but that looks crazy fun and I wanna make it. Are those Forgeworld rules?
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>>52093194
>>52093196
It was explicitly FAQed out. Read how multiple factions work in the Fracture of Biel-tan FAQ. Short answer: to start in a transport you must share ALL the relevant factions.
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>>52093193
>>52093196

Ynnari are their own faction, so Wraithguard can start inside their non-dedicated raiders.
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>>52093239
Not since FAQ
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>>52093239
Thats wrong. Check the FAQ
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The more i read about Celestine, the more i see that /tg/ is right and Celestine is the reincarnation of Sailor Moon/Usagi Tsukino

>Celestine: “would it help if I said we’re on a mission from God?” *puts black eyeglasses and hat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4YrCFz0Kfc
>Calgar: NO, NOW GET YOUR RELIGIOUS CUNTS OUT OF MY MARBLE PLACE!
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>>52092479

He just replied "The Stag"

I've only visited Nottingham once and that was to go to Warhammer World and then we got the hell out of Dodge, so fucked if I know where this pub is
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>>52093229
Well that doesn't stop our archon acting as a drop pod. Either way it's jyst as humiliating, and FW will likely consider it a sufficient update to Dark Eldar for the next five years.
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>>52092720
No, EC emperors children.


Sorry should have been more specific. I'd like to put together a list but I know nothing about csm
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>>52093198
The text specifically says he dreads the sword, not that someone else has it.
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>>52093165
The lion nearly murderised Russ with said sword, and it turned anything it touched into fire
For all intents and purposes it's a slightly weaker big E sword
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>>52093165
I think because this >>52093198
And this mainly >>52093369
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>>52093165
Gorillaman doesn't want to be upstaged by the better Primarch.
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>>52093165
Because that's not really Cypher. It's Ezekyle Abaddon and the sword isn't the Lion Sword, but Drach'nyen.

Ezekyle is just pretending to be Cypher to get close and kill the Emperor
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>>52093403
counterpoint, cypher has arms and a full head of hair
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>>52093227
Yeah, check the op or https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Renegades_and_Heretics(7E)
Renegades and Heretics
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>>52093403
Yeah but the model has actually functining arms, that means it isnit Abaddon.
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>>52093417
functioning*
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>>52093403
Nah it's obviously Alpharius, here to troll Gillmer again.
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>>52093245
>>52093259

I didn't realize they FAQ'd it so fast. I'm used to that sit taking 4 years
>>
So assuming GW doesnt squat xenos what do you think we can expect they'll recieve this year?

Orks get super Ghaz?
Hive-mind "brain" shows itself? Or even better the "elite" nid units arrive?
Tau split into a civil war and farsight becomes a daemon prince?
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>>52093452
Don't worry, we're still waiting on a FAQ for Fall of Cadia.
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>>52093195
thanks man, thats really helpful.
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>>52093459
Orks will never amount to anything, never have never will, they lose every war ever and that won't change. Didn't you see Chaos is about to break out on Armageddon too? Orks are gonna get cucked on their definitive battleground.
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>>52093459
Oh and The Silent King arrives full force, and maybe the CTAN become strong enough to challenge the chaos gods.
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>>52093459
>Or even better the "elite" nid units arrive
Probably this so nid players have to buy new models to not suck.
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>>52093460
Don't remind me that shit or IA.
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>>52093332
You can play EC without daemons quite easily.

Having said that, having a chaos spawn and a daemon prince model is probably needed for when you roll your chaos boons.
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>>52093472
That sounds more like a chance for Mork and Gorks avatar to ascend to orky demigodhood like the beast and beat the ever loving shit out of skarbrand and whatever ponce shows up
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>>52093460
Forgive my cluelessness. What needs FAQing from fall of cadia?
>>
>No SM2
>DoW3 is the same as Red Alert 3, SupCom2, etc and therefore ded before year ends
Looks like its tabletop and DoW1 again
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>>52091783
He looks like hes got a split lower jaw, name him Colonel Viper.
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>>52093513
Mainly some weird interactions with the Castellans Detachment. Space Marine Bikers and a Bike Captain for example.
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>>52093472
>Didn't you see Chaos is about to break out on Armageddon too? Orks are gonna get cucked on their definitive battleground.

>Thinking that Armageddon is an Ork planet
>Forgetting that the FIRST War for Armageddon was vs. Chaos.

Chaos is just returning. Doesn't matter that Armageddon is the Ork's home world. That's just a retcon. Armageddon was originally made for Chaos to fight the Imperium and Orks just got sloppy seconds.
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>>52093227
You'll need movement trays or your opponent will climb up onto the table and make stomp attacks
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>>52093513
Celestine preventing her faction models the use of their special rules.

As in models without AoF or War Hymns prevents the squad with AoF from using them.

Along with strange interactions like Marine bikes as Troops and SoB command squad listed as HQ when in AS they are not HQ but restricted to it while in IA they are Elite.

Basically erratas and FAQs
>>
i see some people are against the lore changes, but for us it's not too bad, imagine the newcomers who will see "emperor is dead but whatever guilliman took his place and imperium is a great place". I feel like the setting is losing an important piece if the momentary status quo stands.
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>>52093513
>>52093540
Also, how the Canticles of the Archmagos interact with the Canticles of the Omnissiah.
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>>52091783
>>
I'm running Heretics and Renegades for an upcoming Combat Patrol tournament - I've got 254 points worth of stuff but I was wondering what else to stick in my list. Here's what I have so far:

HQ

Renegade Command Squad - 55
Covenant of Nurgle


Troops

Plague Zombies x 10 - 30

Plague Zombies x 10 - 30


Fast Attack

Renegade Sentinel Squadron - 60


Heavy Support

Rapier Laser Battery - 79
3x additional crewmen
Militia Training


I have one Elite slot left and four more troops slots - maybe a big platoon of renegades?
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>>52093459
>Hive-mind "brain" shows itself? Or even better the "elite" nid units arrive?
It never fails to amaze me how little newfags understand about Tyranids.

Like these idiots think there is an actual physical brain for the Hive Mind, holy shit, read the fucking lore.
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>>52093533

DoW2 elite is dead and relic will never release a proper mod tools for it
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>>52093495
I'm ok with some I just want it to be a CSM army, not a daemon army.

What kind of formation can I use to build them with?

I only know codex SM, so for example what is the CAD equivalent?
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>>52093461

You're welcome!
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>>52092641
Imperial Fist
Red Corsairs
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>>52093599
Also wondering how best to kit out my command squad. I'm not really sure what role it will need to fulfil - I guess that will depend on what I fill the rest of the list with
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>>52093500
Yeah, cause the Beast was so...oh wait, no, he just lost even when he had everything in his favour and the whole book series was spent repeating that ORKS AREN"T A THREAT CHAOS IS!

>>52093551
Agreed
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>>52093610
...CAD? Every army gets to run CAD

Or did you mean Gladius equivalent?
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>>52093261


Why 1d4chan faggots didn't managed to make a proper celestine and Yvraine pages yet

there's some drawfaggotry up already and the pages are blank

now Girlyman's page is up to date since 5AM
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>>52093041
>implying anyone actually read the whole fucking rule book ever.
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>>52093636
That's 40k.
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>>52093642

do you accept in WHFantasyfags and Quake1Fags tears?
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>>52093635
I am really new I didn't know everyone could use CAD
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>>52093682
>WHFantasyfags tears?
Only tears cried once they realized WHF was dead. No tears of rage caused by AOS.
>>
>>52093702
Yeah, it's from the BRB, not from the Space Marine codex. It's the basic force organization chart.
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>>52093702
Pretty sure its in the rulebook, with the words "Anyone can use this detachment"
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>>52093636
People care about Space Marines, not sluts.
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>>52093735
He said he's new, give him a break. The GW salesman probably tricked him into buying two Dark Vengeance Boxes and a codex and then pushed him out of the store.
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>>52093639
The rulebook is short as fuck. I think the Twilight Imperium has more rules than 40k.

Now reading every codex, supplementes and added stuff beyond the core book is another subject altogether
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>>52092208

3 Sorcs all level 3 with familiars, 1 sword, 1 staff, 1 axe so you and your opponent can tell them apart.
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>>52093599
You'd be much, much better off with mutant rabble and an enforcer with combat drugs. A truly nasty tarpit. The plague zombies that you want are located in the Renegades of Vraks supplement where zombies are 6 points but lose Slow and Purposeful and the useless overrun ability that will never come into effect. Your opponent may complain about your rapier lasers. At 20 ppm TL S9 AP1 ordnance is really broken.
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>>52093780
he knows what a CAD is
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>>52093773
Space Marines do seem to be what gets the fanbase hard
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>>52093871
It's because they're so THICC
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>>52093791
That's quite a bit more expensive than I was looking for. Is maximum mastery level on all 3 really that key?
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>>52093635
I am really new I didn't know everyone could use CAD
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>>52093846
I'm using the Vraks book? The plague zombies have slow and purposeful on their entry.

I get what you mean about the rapier lasers - is there anything less ridiculous I could swap them for? I have the models converted up already that's all.

The mutant rabble seems like a good idea - and a good modelling project too!
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>>52093918
I'm on mobile sry for double post.
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>>52092641

Alpha Legion
Alpha Legion

Someone had to say it, and loyalist Alpha Legion dealing with Tzeentch cults popping up from within is cool.
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So I read somewhere the Imperial Guard WILL be featured as an NPC faction in Dawn of War 3. Does anyone know when they confirmed this?
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>>52092881
>someone was stupid enough to challenge Sicarius to a duel.
He might as well kill himself
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>>52093961
Loyalist Alpha Legion isn't a thing. Stop being a memeing turd.
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>>52093412
I'm reading it now. This stuff is straight fuego and is always what I've wanted to make an army around without having to resort to reflavored IG with chaos stuff.
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>>52092641
Blood Angels
Thousand Sons
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>>52094025
Nice try Alpharius.
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>>52093932
You have the entry after IA 13, right?

Maybe just bring two rapier lasers if there's no prize/commendation involved. They ARE ordnance so they reroll their pen results anyway. With the latest Renegades supplement you can take an Ordnance Tyrant as upgrade for your warlord making quad launchers/heavy mortars non compulsory troop. Take one blob of mutants and a battery of 1-4 quad launchers. As for the rest of the command squad, leave it bare aside from mark/devotion. If much of anything even looks at your Arch-Demagogue wrong he dies.
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>>52094042
I thought you were Alpharius?
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>DoW 3 is due to release soon.
Please tell me they fixed lascannons at least.
>>52094012
If that's the case I'm bummed out.
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>>52094063
Yeah, that's a decent shout - was planning on converting some quad mortars as it goes anyway
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>>52094025
This.

Dorn kills Alpharius in the recent HH books, and it's implied that Alpharius was the loyal twin whilst Omegan, whilst not neccesarily full-on Chaos, wasn't sympathetic to the Imperium at all. Especially after his brother's death.
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>>52094081
Nah I'm Alpharius.
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>>52092872
there is a old blister with a plasma and a meltagun still vailable for some firepower to your squads

for gunline heavy weapon teams inside ur guardsmen

for blob i'd say about 70 more guardsmen

if you dont go all veterans, you need a pcs too, read on what a platoon needs to have.

you might want the regimental advisors, for that sweet sweet cheap astropath and master of the fleet
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>>52094086
>Please tell me they fixed lascannons at least.

Haven't been following DOW3 too close, whats wrong with them?
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>>52093961
Alpha Legion is a fucking meme
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>>52094120
They fired continuously last time I checked, which is the complete opposite of literally every depiction of lascannons ever.
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>plays EC
>tries to believe that is good as SM multiplayer
>combat is Bad as fuck and Vehicle physics are retarded

HOW DID THEY MANAGED TO FAIL IT SO HARD?


>>52094086

Nope, it still made by the irish lepper gnome
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>>52094111
Who am I?
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>>52094135
Ewww
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>>52094144
alpharius
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>>52093600
Shit like this is why the swarmlord in particular pisses me off
The deathleaper, ooe, red terror I can stand, they're just reproductions of a very specific strand of nid for very particular jobs (though it would make hells more sense to just fold them into their base genome)
But swarmy and his whole "specific consciousness" thing really pisses me off
I'd be fine with a "Norn queen assumes direct control" thing though, ala dominatrix
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>>52094086
DOW3 is a complete dumpster fire that literally almost no one is hyped about. GW couldn't even get enough shills to stem the tide of people decrying it on their facebook even with their draconian moderating and deleting of comments they don't like.

Game is dead on arrival.
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>>52094179
maybe its just the outsider ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL
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>>52094106
Or did he kill Omegon?
We may never know
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Is giving Fire Prisms shuriken cannons worth it?
I mean, you are supposed to sit these mofos back from the front lines anyways, so they can lay the smackdown with their prism cannons.
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>>52094169
Yeah the Game Director is a total fucking jackass. He believes that Space Marines are dumb meatheads who charge the enemy head-on and quote "never retreat".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qatd9xyp3Wo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_QBkq1uMs4
Just look at this dogshit.
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Plannig to build CC Space Marines army (few units in drop pods, falling on enemy and killing stuff). What units/armies should I add to have this work?
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>>52094207
How about no though? The only thing worse than swarmy is people trying to fluff-nids-origins-with-their-faction wank
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>>52094239
but anon the outsider made the nids
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>>52093730
Thanks
>>52093635
Out of curiosity, what are good formations for EC like gladius?
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>>52094179
I couldn't agree more.
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>>52094246
This is never even implied you fucking memelord
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>>52094228
>CoH2 is dying to make way for this bullshit
I'll stick with UA thank you very much.
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So what's their point/use ? Infiltrate with 5 meltas and get shrouded thanks to Cypher joining the squad ?
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>>52094171
woah....
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>>52094308
4 meltas
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>>52094224
pls respond.
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>>52094271
>UA
Total meme-tier mod. Just play an actual good mod like FoK instead.
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>>52094308
Their point is to forge the narrative.
Just like the new stuff Grey Knights got.
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>>52094224
Probably not. 24 inch range is rather short for a tank, and it's only marginally better as a defensive gun than the catapult. I'd save the points for elsewhere.
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>>52094338
Five AND a combi-melta actually.
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Anyone know a company that makes actual nice looking dice?
Would like some gunmetal grey ones
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>>52094237
Wolves, Blood Angels and Black Templars are your best options. Raven Guard if you want to do the "surprise buttsex" version with infiltrate and jetpacks.

Best one of them is probably either Raven Guard with their Formations, Space Wolves with Wulfen or a Skyhammer Black Templars list.
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>>52094342
Never heard of it (though I'm a normie in DoW mods), how does it compare to UA and other mods?
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Straken on foot with invisibility and or endurance or put him in a Chimera?
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>>52094365
That's what I was thinking too.
I'd much rather use the Shuriken cannon upgrade from the Fire Prism kits on my Falcons, because given that 3 falcons can deep strike without scatter right next to an enemy, I recon that they will get much more use from the Shuriken cannons than a Fireprism would get.

Basically my idea in my Eldar army tank wise, is to have 3 Falcons for the deep strike manouver, 3 Fire prisms for fire support, and a bunch of wave serpents to transport my Wraithguards/Avengers/Guardians and what have you, where they need to go.
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Trying to build a decent tau army for my local league that isn't cheesy. However it feels like unless i run ONLY fire warriors and kroot, ill get called cheese lord no matter what.
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>>52094459
Just let the gue'la whine.
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>>52094440
Sounds like a solid plan, and yeah, you're much better off giving the cannons to Falcons who will make better use of the short range guns.
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>>52094459
OSC and a Riptide is pretty strong at 1500 but it doesn't look too bad.
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>>52094404
It doesn't have a ton of new units like UA (not like those are very good anyway) but it balances all of the factions very well and puts back in every piece of removed content like CSM and IG heavy weapons and completely rids the game of armory wargear upgrades. If you want to play a serious game of DoW then definitely get it but even if you don't you should still try it out to see if you like it.
http://www.moddb.com/mods/dawn-of-warhammer-40k-firestorm-over-kronus
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>>52094308
I will be using them as a melee vanguard for my tau, fight me
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>>52094308
I hate how the entire meta revolves around find a way to put your meltas here
Also does that one fallen have a frag cannon?
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>ultramarines to save the day
*mechanical keking sounds*
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>>52094459
>Play a pure Tempestus list because I like the models
>Get tabled constantly
>Can't remember the last time I won a game
>Not bitter or anything tho

Yeah, having a army where 99% of the units are strong as fuck must be tough.
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>>52094347
>loyalists so spoiled they throw a hissy fit when they get something good instead of something broken
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>>52094554
Melta makes for a much less cancerous meta than grav. I'll take it anyday over "find a way to stick a divination psyker in your gravstar which is probably also bikes".
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>>52094557
You faggots caused all the issues in the first place by picking fights with the Old Ones and fucking up the peaceful warp.
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>>52094511
I'll give it a go next time I play modded Soulstorm.
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>>52094459
Drop the riptide and fill out those squads, OSC is treading the cheese line as is so its unnecessary but other than that the list is pretty solid
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Trying out a Deathwatch list for a casual campaign with some friends, I haven't played since 5th how did I do?
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>>52094565
Voldus is pretty decent, but the Formation is total ass.
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>>52094558
Would you rather lose all your games or be hated by everyone because of plastic soldiers?
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>tfw the Lion sleeps still
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>>52094459
I would suggest one pathfinder team and one markerlight drone squad to give you some versatility in how you put out markers. But this is a good mixed list. I like that you've put Pirahnas in, not only because they're one of my favorite models but because I think they're ridiculously underrated. Then again I play Dark Eldar as my second army so I obviously have a skimmer fetish.
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>>52094558
>Black Hawk Down dioram
>Scion and Orks

God damn marines circle jerk is ruining the setting.
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>>52094558
That diorama is cool as fuck.
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>>52094594
>Grey Knights get a formation for hunting daemons
Oh no the humanity. Grey Knights as an army have been so weak and given so few toys by gee dubs this is horrible. :(
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>>52094459
>HUR DUR DUR I DON'T WANT TO BE CHEESY BUT I WANT TO TAKE ALL THE CHEESY SHIT LIKE HYMP RIPTIDES AND GHOSTKEELS
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>Playing helldivers
>Realize is a fucking scion/guard simulator
>Cant stop playing
Why cant GW hire these guys to make a game?
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>>52094636
>Diorama shows Scions and Orks
>'Marines are ruining the setting'

wat
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>>52094634
Yeah I love piranhas too, I own 6 of them, but unless I'm running Drone Net Formation I don't have the fast attack slots to run all of them. They are surprisingly good tank hunters for their points, and therefore good distractions.
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>>52094558
>not bitter or anything tho
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>>52094667
>tau players
>I'll change the list if it gets too cheesy guys
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>>52094665
I should preface this by saying I don't play Grey Knights at all, but, yeah, they are one of the weakest armies in the game and have had little to no supplementary content compared to the rest of the Space Marine stuff.

Literally Black Templars are better off right now.
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>>52094558
>Two AP3 lasguns
>Killing four T4 Orks before the assault phase

Shit diorama, unrealistic as fuck.
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>>52093017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx61xeDV_60
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>>52094682
My piranha kits moldlines were so fucked, the engines are very lopsided and I had to file down so much shit, it was such a headache I cannot fathom doing it again. Were your kits clean cut or are you just patient as a monk?
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>>52094591
Stalker Pattern Boltguns are longish range sniper weapons you realize? You've mixed them with shotguns and meltaguns for some reason. Remember Deathwatch don't have Combat Squads if that's what you were planning.
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>>52094590
Tbh I would rather drop the OSC formation, just cause I prefer the riptide as a model. Maybe take another crisis squad and fill out the strike teams.
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>>52094623
A WIM A WEH A WIM A WEH A WIM A WEH

IN THE FORTRESS THE MIGHTY FORTRESS

THE LION SLEEPS TONIGHT
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>>52094679
He's saying there's way too much focus on capeshit-style marine-wank when the setting has infinitely more to offer like cool scenes such as that.

I mean consider the Battle for Macragge. It's always chalked up as this big triumph of the heroic defenders of humanity, the Ultramarines. Except, there are a total of 1000 Ultramarines in existence. Hive Fleet Behemoth has as many BIO-SHIPS, each stuffed with anywhere from tens of thousands to millions of Tyranids, as there were Ultramarines. You know who really won the Battle for Macragge? The whole Imperium working together. The Guard and the Navy, the Titan Legions and the Secutarii, the Inquisition and the Deathwatch and the Scions, and a couple hundred Ultramarines that were a drop in the bucket, but they get all the credit.
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>>52094741
>I prefer the riptide as a model
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>>52094679
Marines in any other setting would be cool as fuck.
In 40k the candidates to become a marine are already badass before they turn into a marine. So they end rather bland setting wise.

Super cool dude is now super cool dude on steroids.

While humans given a lasgun, power armour and/or maybe a life time training to face Eldritch aliens and creatures from beyond are demension end looking cooler than the super human badass.

That's my rant, years of marines made them boring I want other parts of the setting specially now the fucks are trying to advance the non existing plot of the setting
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>>52094726
not him, but one of my pirahnas, that little flat "wall" section was warped badly. I can't remember how I ended up making it fit but you can still see it stick out just a little.
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>Play DoW2
>Think nids are pretty great
>Check tabletop
>they fucking suck
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>>52094726
I guess I got lucky, most of my kits were clean and I only had to be patient with 2 of them. To be honest though I wouldn't want to make anymore, they are not the most exciting to build and paint.
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>>52094707
They failed their charge and had to stand still for a turn.
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>>52094179
Doesn't the presence of the Swarmlord mean just the fact that the Hive Mind is concentrating on the respective conflict?At least that's the only correct interpretation
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>>52094745
Heresy is always just a whim away, a whim away, a whim away
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>>52094776
>they fucking suck

Don't compare WAAC fag shit to standard games.

They suck competitively.
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>>52094791
No, it means they gave Tyranids to a shit writer who doesn't understand or care about what he was given after Based Lord Chambers left the studio.
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>>52094773
>Just normal humans with lasguns fighting aliens from beyond our dimensions guys!
>Suddenly Orgyn
God I hate guard fans
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>>52094817
HEROHAMMER
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>>52094817
3rd edition is best edition, even if it was bad.
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>>52094803
No dude they suck straight up.

If you're playing casual it means you want to play fluffy, and Tyranids current codex does jack shit to represent them like the fluff. They have the worst disconnect between fluff and crunch of any faction in the game.
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>>52094803
Nids are worse in standard games than competitive games

Competitively their monobuild is viable and punishes people who don't take sufficient anti-air.

Standard games, you really -feel- how awful the codex is.
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>>52094734
Or can they?
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>>52094830
Marinefag actually. They got boring after decades of playing them.

Literally any other non marine army is more interesting at this point. Oversaturation if you will.

Even the anime protagonist plot armour Tau
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If i wanted to run Chaos Daemons as allies to CSM would a Start Collecting Daemons of Nurgle box work?

If so what kind of CSM models would complement these fellas?
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>>52094874
Thousand Sons
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Normal space marines will be dreadnaught sized in 8th edition
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>>52094817
Sorry, mind repeating that again?
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>>52094874
Chaos Riptide wing.

Forge the narrative!
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>>52094895
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>>52094255
Take the 6 squads of 5 or 6 Noise Marines, one with blastmaster, one with fist and doomsiren, the others with sonic blasters as part of the Kakophoni formation.
Then add stuff you like as per the Rapture Betallion detachment to get combat drugs and shit.

Read up on the Traitor Legions.

Emperor's Children are pretty good. Death Guard are better but not as LOUD.
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>>52094756
Oh yeah, definately agree.

I like marines as scenery, when you see them from the POV of a regular human. It actually allows them to be more as the fluff describes them, since they don't need to be relatable.

As main characters, they're boring to me. Arguably not even heroic, given they've had the capacity for fear bred out of them.

The marines in Salvation's Reach were good, they're all hyper-aggressive and confrontational to the point where they can't interact with regular humans properly, and there's no page after page describing how many pathetic non-supersoldiers they're currently chopping apart, you just get the odd reference to 'yup....the marines are still killing everything', then it switches back to the humans, who actually have something to lose, hopes and dreams and family.

Nothing against them, but they dominate the setting and it's easy to get sick of something via saturation.
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>>52094888
As in rubric marines or like a full on thousand sons thing?
>>52094898
Its a bunch of Tau who really want to join Chaos but don't understand that sticking spikes on their riptides is not the same thing as being blessed by the gods and spraypainting symbols everywhere are not "marks of chaos". The daemons that they fight alongside mostly ignore them because lmao nosouls.
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>>52094830
Ogryns have some pretty serious drawbacks. Ogryns triumphing despite their crippling claustrophobia and inability to count past the number of visible digits they have at any given time, would actually be a pretty interesting read.

You could play up the dog-like loyalty for dem feels too.
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>>52091950
you spelled '''''autist''''' wrong
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>>52094949
More like candle light size souls.
Soulless can be weaponised against warp shit and non warp shit due to their sheer strangeness
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>>52093294
Fuck no idea but the one that shows up in maps is way far off where I live. Too bad. Ty anon.
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>>52094845
huh?
What book is this?
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>>52094817
Wait,so does it really say separate consciousness in the codex?Haven't read it in a while
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>>52094590
>>52094764
This list friendly enough?
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>>52094764
But Bruce, it IS a cool model.
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>>52095046
Looks good to me.
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>>52092812
do you even lift?
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What would be a good starting for someone who likes shooty guys but not muhreens?
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>>52094934
>>52094756
I agree and disagree, I'm a Chaos player and probably the main thing I like about them compared to loyalist marines is their humanity.

Loyalist marines to me have always been these big dumb emotionless jocks who don't seem to have any real rhyme or reason to their heroism, it's just a natural function and we're all supposed to stand in a circle and clap for them.

They never have doubts about whether they can truly make a difference when their numbers are so few, they never question serving a government that has completely destroyed the Emperor's own teachings.

Meanwhile CSM have much more complex motivations, from guys like Kharn who are just in it because they recognised that the Imperium was never just so they might as well just have fun killing stuff, to guys like Talos from the Night Lords series who are literally just in the fight because that's the only path left to them, even if they don't think they're gonna win, to people like Abaddon who are genuine idealists.
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>>52095046
Dude, don't give in to Tau b8ers. Run whatever you want, if it's cheese, then find games against other cheese players. It's not like Tau is the only cheese faction.
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>>52095101
Necrons, Tau and Eldar are all xenos armies that excel at shooting. Astra militarum, cult mechanicus and skitari are your imperium choices for a shooty army. Basically lots of options.
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>>52095046
Very friendly, I'd play you if I saw your set-up. It's realistically beatable with most fluffy lists instead of just being a pain in the ass to play against, something we all need in a casual game
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>>52095101
Scale of increasing faggotry

Guard
Admech
Necron
Deldar
Eldar
Tau

Try to stay near the top anon
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>>52095101
Admech. Sexy models, excellent competitive but not cheesy rules, good tactical depth and very shooty. You also get the satisfaction of knowing you build all the Marine's stuff and thus they can't do shit, because if you weren't helping they'd be BS4 I4 Orks with less crazy gadgets thanks to utter lack of competence outside of combat.

Also, you get pic related.
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>>52095101
Imperial Guard
>Quantity over Quality, also tanks

Tau
>Quality over Quantity, also mechs

Eldar
>Have both, also feel free to run and shoot, also feel free to shoot again if you shot hard enough the first time, also feel free to never find a game with any sane person
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>>52095098
Atlas didn't lift anything though...he's just holding shit up.
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>>52095101
Choose on who you think sounds and looks coolest imo
New edition out this year so starting based on whos "good" right now might get you btfo
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>>52095046
Too friendly..
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>Orks disappear from Universe
>Imperials win immediately.

You guys should really be more thankful, especially you Tau.
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I don't have to be playing thousand sons to use the scarab occult termies right?
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>>52095046
Honestly if someone is chimping out because a single riptide in 1500p just sock that guy out.
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>>52095151
>Tau worse than Eldar
reaction_image.jpg
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>>52095134
Not baiting m8, I run tau as well but I can understand the frustration of encountering a similar yet rough list (bike spam/most eldar) so toning down makes sense for casual games as it keeps things interesting for both players
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>>52095116
>all this delusion

This explains why CSMfags are so retarded and insufferable. Chaos is even more shallow and two dimensional than loyalists.
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>>52095151
Eldar are worse than Tau when it comes to faggotry. They have the strongest codex hands down, and that is not including the Ynari shit they get now.
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>>52092949
wtf i luv grefox now
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>>52092812
World Beaters*
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>>52095205
>complaining about a single TEQ at 1500 pts
Who does this?
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>>52095217
They at least acknowledge they have a strong codex.
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>>52095151
deldar being higher than 'crons
wut
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>>52095223
Wife Beaters?
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>>52095217
>>52095206

Eldar are more OP than Tau. Tau are more cancerous both playerwise and general playstyle

Also Taunar
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>>52095217
I don't recall an edition where Eldar didn't have some form of cheese list.

Tau turn into broken op faggot tier at best during 5th but I don't recall having problems with them during that edition. On 7th they turn into turbo faggot cheese mode.
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>>52095225
Some dude(s) in this thread.
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>>52095046
>pathfinder
>piranha
You giving out handjobs to your opponents as well?
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>>52094136

I've been having trouble finding NA games for EC and have resorted to faction hopping just to be able to play.
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>>52095213
>every single Chaos marine alive has a personal reason to fight the long war
>loyalists fight because UNENDING HEROISM ALL THE TIME
>chaos is shallow and two dimensional
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>>52094308
Thanks for posting that I've been waiting all day, shame that the only difference between them and the Cypher data slate is faction and +2pts per model for Ld10. It's funny that they still cant take plasma cannons despite it actually being mentioned in the painting guide bit
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>>52095283
>has a personal reason to fight the long war
Is it because they're sore losers?
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>>52095283
Renegades maybe. Actual chaos marines are just cumsluts for the Chaos gods
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>>52095281


880 PLAYERS LEFT!

BANDAI FUCKED UP BADLY!
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>>52095266
If it stops people whining about Tau
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>>52095101
Go orks. Pay no attention to balistic skill 2. Field stupidly cheap kannon lines and drown anything that isn't a vehicle in bullets. Shooty ork lists are the most fun I've had with my greenskins. You will need allies if you want to stay shooty vs heavy vehical spam
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>>52094308

Look at this smug fuck
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>>52095266
>hating on Piranhas.
How homosexual can one man be?
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>>52095344
>ield stupidly cheap kannon lines and drown anything that isn't a vehicle in bullets.

Because all your shots missed and their casings are just laying about on the field
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>>52095283
>personal reason to fight
That's not true
>shallow and two dimensional
Most the time. I'm even an chaosfag
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>>52095361
I see you forgot your blue dice and your mork blessed shootas
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>>52095046

>tau
>friendly
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>>52095341
Know what stops people whining about Tau? Actually playing a game for once and siphoning all the useless players that can't deal with a single riptide. Those people aren't worth playing because you'll learn nothing from them but bad habits.
>>52095360
Dude piranha are so bad, ugly as hell too. The fact that they haven't been revised since vespids says something.
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>>52093195

What a star, this is why i come here, people who put an effort into helping others
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>>52095328
A lot of the time.
>>52095331
Literally the opposite way around.
>>52095375
Have you even read any Chaos novels? Every single main character from every Chaos novel has a completely different reason for fighting the long war.
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>>52095266
if they ask nicely
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>>52095442
Chaos god are the cumslut of chaos marines? Yeah sure
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>>52095453
He means Renegades are the cumsluts, not the Marines.

Really they're all cumsluts though.
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>>52093046
>Sicarius
>Not Calgar
IT
IS
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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>>52095416
Would you prefer a crate with tank treads and covered in skulls?
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>>52092788

Hey, you wanna compare how dead our primarchs are?

Mine is the Emperor.
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>>52095524
He's alive though.
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>>52095046

You'll just get fucked over by some scatterbike spamming thundercunt
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So Tyranids need to get some sort of Norn Queen right?

And Orks will get some Gretchin boss.
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>>52092641
Ultramarines
Word Bearers
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>>52095256

I play tau and i can't stop wondering what kind of person fields a tau'nar if you aren't playing apoc 5000pts with titans
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>>52092641
Ultras

Sons
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>>52092641
Salamanders
World Eaters
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>>52095554
Or gravspam of any marine flavor
Or daemon summoning bomb
Or imperial superfriends deathstar
Or gorillion flyrants
etc.
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>>52092641
dark angels
1Ksons
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>>52095466
Considering Armless the Harmless is expanding the Eye is pretty much confirming all Chaosfags are the Chaos Gods CumSluts
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>>52092788
>Guilliman has two models
>Sanguinis still doesn't have one
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>>52095577
It's cheaper than Magnus.
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Rate my Tau list guys
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>>52095608
>magnus has two models
>leman russ has like twenty
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>>52092788
>Tfw 30k BA
>Tfw knowing your primarch will be an unstoppable rape machine
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>>52095671
>tfw 30k WEs
>tfw knowing your primarch will never take his fluff spot as single scariest nigga alive because his rules came out first
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>People are happy 40K is becoming Herohammer good vs bad shit
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>>52092641
Iron Hands
Apostles of Contagion
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Fuck, posted in wrong thread
I'm starting to like armoured group vanquisher. This is the most versatile guard tank.
>bs4
>co-axial heavy stabber for twin-linked
>want to fight tanks - vanquisher shell
>want to fight MC - beast hunter shell
>want to fight swarms - infernus
>you can choose them any turn
Whats not to like?
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>>52093490
They did this twice before with the Haruspex/exocrine and then with the toxicrene/maleceptor and it didn't work because they made them garbage units that aren't worth using.
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>>52095410
I don't think I can make a friendlier list
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>>52095739
Eat my ass
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>>52095692
Hey, he will get updated once the demonic power starts offsetting the nails killing him.

He still got his ass handed to him on terra though.
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>>52095739
Thats a pretty casual list, what do you run competitively?
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>>52095624
Ethereal AND 2 5man sniper?! Fucking meta faggots ruin everything
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>>52095044
Yeah. It's.... bad.

GW's first mistake was writing anything relating to the Tyranids from an omniscient narrator point of view. The 4th ed Codex being done entirely in-universe from the perspective of the Imperium was a masterpiece. Everything since has been a load of shit outside of Forge World, which, surprise, also wrote their Tyranid stuff in-universe from a human perspective.
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Played apoc last week.
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>>52095624
Fucking pleb. This is how you do it.
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If magnus removes robs last wound on a six, then rupert rolls a 4 on his next turn and comes back to life, can rowboat googleyeyes fight his own spawn?
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I'm guard
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>>52095758
How so? There's literally no fluff for Angron at the siege other than that him giving Horus' demand for surrender to the defenders and that he was first into the breach at the gate.
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>>52095823
Did you ever kill the Sokar Stormbird?
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>>52095739
>>52095754
Oh right! I forgot the Stormsurge, my bad ill try and fit that in for the next game.
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>>52095821
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This tau guy. His army is literally 6 riptides, 2 surges, taunar, those drones and like 12 fire warriors.
>>52095841
Tau shot it down in 2 turns. Guy with stormbird was extremely lucky, he killed 3 riptides with D rolling 3 sixes on first turn.
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>Exalted Sorcerers box has enough extra bits to fully convert/WYSIWYG my old TS force.

Capes and Staves for everyone!
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>>52095881
>and it's all fucking unpainted too, most of the Riptides aren't even fully fucking assembled.
Taufags who wonder why we hate you here, please take note.
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>>52095839
Oh, rereading it. Sanguinius and Angron stared at each other, and then he walked off. Apparently surrender was an option.
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>>52095982
I had unpainted baneblade and manticore.
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>>52092788
Sanguinious is only like 99% dead.

Ferrus Mannus is super dead.
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>>52096013
>Shield Tribune about to fuck that GD
>>
>>52096013
>Oh shit...
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>>52095982
>board is full of unpainted crap
>FUCKING TAU PLAYERS REEEEEEEE!
Ok.
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>>52095632
I hope you're talking about the tanks.
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>>52095778
I only recently came back to 40k, so I am not tournament ready, but if I wanted to ruin someones day I would play something like this.
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>>52096056
>>52096056
>>52096056
new
>>
Apocalypse games are always such an ugly, unpainted, shitty terrain clusterfuck.
>>
What a clusterfuck of ugly unpainted minis and absolutely dogshit tier tabletops
Not a hobbiest in the bunch
Kys
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>>52091783
I reused Chekov for mine.
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>>52095881
>basecoated tau
What the fuck sorcery is this?
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>>52095982
So you hate painted armies because of the unpainted ones?
Makes sense.
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>>52095975
why nobody is obese this can't be US
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>>52095959
From now on unpainted models get -1 to their entire statline and any cover and invuln saves.
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>>52092602
>Hating Roman/Byzantine style helmets
your taste is trash
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>>52094665
Actually...yes. Yes, they are pretty fucking weak.
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New guard models when?

I want a guard army more than anything but the Cadians are boring as fuck visually.

Guard should have a bit of style, not just 'generic sci-fi armor #1323'
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>>52095881
>Playing with unpainted models
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>>52095725
A vanquisher cannot take infernus shells, thats an option for the battle tank
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Got a slow grow league coming up. How does this look? I know there's not much that can be done for 500 points, but at least being NL I get some raptors as troops.
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How would run start up an Inquisition army? I am really interested in them.
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>>52096343
I like the Cadians, but I'm not sure what could be the new poster boy army. If they got rid of the Vostroyan old man moustaches and included more face masks, they'd be amazing.

I doubt they will release some any time soon. They have 3 metal Guard regiments and 2 plastic ones. That's a huge over hall to make new stuff, especially for an army that doesn't sell well.
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>>52095044
Yes, it has it's own separate consciousness that every hive fleet can draw on which is complete bullshit and goes entirely against all established fluff
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>>52096343
>>52096452

If/when they replace the Cadians it will either just be a rebrand of the kit to Astra Militarum TM Shock Troops, and maybe a new decal sheet. Or the generic Cadian sci fi infantry with a new generic sci fi infantry.

Cadians can be any army with a different paint job and a few conversions here and there; Vostroyans can only be Vostoryans. Valhallans can only be ice world armies, Tallarns can only be Johnny Ahab armies, etc. The basic infantry models will always be generic so they can be your dudes.
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>>52094459
> However it feels like unless i run ONLY fire warriors and kroot, ill get called cheese lord no matter what.

then take up CSM
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>>52095822
I dont think so because hes not a casualty yet
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>>52095344
I did too, till i played a min max GSC list with 3 flyrant allies. By the end of the top of turn 1 I had about 15 models left.
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I'd like to see the Guard line adopt a new aesthetic. Perhaps something in between the 30k Solar Auxilia and the 40k Cadian Guard Regiments; a style that incorporates more cloth and looks less fancy than the former, but is less generic and more 40k than the latter. Not Tempestus, either; they would be more rugged and less "tech-y" than that.

Ideally, including the option for full-face helmets for all troops. I would think that there are many people who might be interested in Guard, but don't like painting faces and don't have the money for Death Korps. Plus, helmets just look cool.

Plus, they could use this opportunity to reformat the line a bit. Have more kits with multiple assembly options, like the Skitarii sets.
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>>52095800
Hey dude, you still progressing on any codexes for Custom Redux? My club was pretty pumped about it.
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>>52096012
According to Lorgar who was pretty much right all the time and every major Heresy fuck up was Horus ignoring him, Angron was the only one besides Horus who could beat Sanguinius and that's literally the only reason they went on the Shadow Crusade, to make Angron ascend to avoid dying from the nails before Terra.

Angron then not stomping Sanguinius at the gate is just yet another example of NO ONE LISTENING TO LORGAR WHEN HE TOLD THEM HOW TO WIN THE WAR.
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>>52096537
Well they had to come up with a reason for Tyranids to fight other Tyranids
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>>52092547
W H Y N O T P L A Y D R E D M O B
Still 100% legal last time I checked.
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>>52097497
I honestly doubt Angron could have done it. Especially with the ease in which Sanguinius took out Ka'Bandha after holding the gate for three days.
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>>52097731
See, but everyone always thinks that about Angron. Then they either fight him and get stomped hard or they see him fight and don't want none of that action.

The thing about Angron is his brain is just 100% fighting 100% of the time, it makes sense for him to be the best fighter of the primarchs.
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>>52097802
Maybe it's just the black library cancer that's polluting my mind. I can't stop thinking about fucking rowbooty fighting angron to a standstill, after beating the crap out of lorgar.

And Rowbooty isn't really up there as far as primarchs go.
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I am considering using some sternguard veterans for a small IF army, are they any good in this meta?

Also, do they look much different painting wise?
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>>52092641
Salamanders

Alpha Legion
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>>52092641
Iron Hands
Thousand Sons
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