Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for the first and only.

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Anyone care to rate my first Guardsman? The base is supposed to be a road, I thought it would be a nice easy base to do.

3rd for Elysian Drop Troops, Dropping Right into the Action (tm)

FUCK ULTRAMARINES AND MATT WARD

FUCK GW AND FUCK AGE OF SIGMAR FUCKING SHIT GAME

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>>52086952

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This is Roboute Guilliman, say something nice to him.

>>52086957
>A new starter set comes out
>Elysian™ Drop Troops™ vs Aeldari™ in the Crusade for Grimdark ™

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Is this list dumb? The Tempered Helm on the Captain is supposed to be the new cloak relic for Ultramarines that gives EW and IWND

Post Ultras/Fallen/GK relics

>>52086974
He's a big guy.

>>52086974
pizza

>>52087001
>footslogging Cap and retinue ever
>especially when geared for melee
Please just never do this. If you really don't want them on bikes, at least give the captain a jump pack and turn his command squad into VVs with all that gear, minus the Apothecary and banner.

>>52086974
He's neither a heretic nor an autist.

>>52086954
better than my first guardsman, though no offence but the colour is kind of drab, I mean sure it's realistic but idk, he seems to realistic for 40k.
otherwise for a 1st mini it's pretty good
only other issue I have is on his right hand the silver is on his fingers, which could do with a really fine touch up, other than that the white stripes should be thicker for the road. Also the road is an interesting concept, maybe try and find some reference to how 40k roads are like, so that you can fit in better fluff wise.
>>52086984
>Drop Troops
It will be combines into
>Elysian Droops (drop troops combined) (tm)
Also don't forget the T'au, the Fars'ight, Druckhari (am I spelling it right?), Ultramareens, and other autistic names brought to you buy jewish trademarking
>>52087001
fuck that arouses my elysian drop troop boner, I would love to play a 2v2 with you at my side. >HHNNGGGG!!!

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>>52087023
For you

>>52087026
They're supposed to be deep striking in the pod.

>>52087033
I share your love of deep strike, brother. Why deploy on T1 ever?

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>>52086932
Nth for Leman Russ coming out of a warp portal for like eight hours to kill some space marines and rough riders.

>>52086974
I just now noticed the busty saint celestine crowning guilliman with a gigantic halo. 10/10 adorable, would fuck her until she couldn't stand with a demi-god sized horsecock.

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What was Marneus Calgar's reaction to Guilliman waking up?
What was Guilliman's opinion on Marneus Calgar?
Haven't started those books yet[!spoiler]

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>/v/ 40k threads
>all those 1d4 fags

>>52086974
Look like the Visarch got cucked again. I think there was something with him during the story development phase and end up with him doing absolutely nothing in the story.

>>52087047
I agree, deep striking turn one is the most glorious way to enter combat, especially if those units deep striking are flyers.
>STEHL RAIN should become a chapter tactic for a chapter of space marines
Also gw pls add regiment tactics for guard so we can have all of the regiments (I want karskin to have rules)

>>52087047
>They're supposed to be deep striking in the pod.
I know they are, but they can't assault out of the pot and the fact is, once they're out, they're fucked. They might make it to assault with one or two units all game, depending on how lucky you get with the Skyhammer's pinning tests. That's why I said give them jump packs, since they can still deep strike (albeit less reliably, but locator beacons exist on those pods), they have a decent melee threat range once on the ground, and also you don't pose out on Drop Pod Assault since your total non-Skyhammer pods will still round up to 2.

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>>52086974
>Custode in the back
>Cassius SMILING
>Cawl being fuckhueg
>Celestine crowning a Primarch

This is insane.

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I'm playing a 200 point kill team game on Friday. I have 3 Tyranid Warriors, 14 genestealers, and like 25 Termigaunts. Can I build something resembling a decent list out of this?

Do the fallen have bolters,bolt pistols and ccw or not?

40k General, we need to take a lesson from WHFG

PLEASE NO GATHERING STORM, IT'S NOT THE SAME SETTING. KINDLY SHILL/TROLL ELSEWHERE

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I really love the looks of tyranids and lore of gsc, convince me why I should play them as if you were a store owner

>>52087331
Take three warriors fill the rest in with gaunts. Forget genestealers,.

>>52087366
They eat people.

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Can my poor Rubrics do good in at least Killteam (probably HoR) if anything?

>>52087366
>We know you are only here for plastic crack so let's just head to the checkout OK?

>>52087365

>IT'S NOT THE SAME SETTING

Your ass is more fractured than Biel-tan if you're deluded enough to believe that.

>>52087386
>can my hyper elite MEQ's do well in a game format that rewards numbers
Don't worry though, you're dumb enough that it doesn't really matter what you bring.

>>52087386
Small elite teams can be very useful in kill-teams, but you're capping yourself at only 5 models, with no 2+ saves.. So they actually can't afford to take any casualties.

You can and probably will run into problems if you face a team that focuses on larger numbers though. Like for example the infamous "100 levys" list would just hand your ass to you on a silver platter. Same with the alternative 50 conscripts or 70 militia. Of course you will SHRED other elite teams to pieces with your AP3, but you have nothing to deal with hordes.

>>52087366
I really wouldn't, they're arse.

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>>52086932
Im getting into 40k and Ive always liked chaos, Ive always wanted to run a khorne army but before i take the plunge I seem to have to options and I really dont know what one to take.

Is it better to run khorne demonkin or CSM traitor legion supplement World Eaters with allied demons?

I was gifted 10 flesh hounds and the parts to make quite a few CSM / Berserkers but I dont know how best to proceed.

>>52087367
Sounds like a plan. Are there must-have upgrades for any of the dudes or should I just take them as-is? Sorry about the noobish question but I only played 40k about twice 10 years ago so I'm not super familiar with the game.

>>52087268
>>Cassius SMILING

His face is a skull, smiling is the only expression it can have.

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So i wanna do Tallarns, but is there no way to get the forge world ones at all anymore?

>>52087448
recasters

>>52086974
I like how all the space marines are okay with a xenos standing right in front of them. I know ultramarines are the more reasonable space marines, but still.

>>52087492
You would think crowning a primarch would be a no xenos allowed event.

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>>52087507

>>52087365
Age of Sigmar > Fantasy

>>52087492
>>52087507
If she is one who saved them all, you could let her gaze. Plus there is more eldar mentioned standing behind.

>>52087507
ultras are xenophilic anyway

>>52087492
>>52087507
She's the reason they got their Primarch back at all, though.

>>52087470
Any leads on that?

>>52087580
what do you mean?
check /r/yoyhammer for catalogs and see who casts them then try and find their contact details.
I think Z or CCON might make them but idk since I only order from other recasters

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>F

They finally wiped out the worst imperial faction

Guilliman is Jon Snow and Yvraine is the Red Woman.

>>52087639
Only Cadia's defenders died.

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>bringing back loyalist primarchs
>advancing the setting

Its already over

40k as we have known it for 30 years is going to be gone in a matter of months

Which is the best Imperial Knight type?

>>52087673
Crusader, Dat firepower.

>>52087657
The Marshall from cadia becomes the emperors champion after being the only one to survive the battle in guillimans tomb.. He puts up a good fight against skarband but it utterly pulverized after stabbing him in the chest. Guilliman later on shoots the sword and blows it up to kill skarband, and the 2 most sacred relics of the BT are destroyed. Along with all the other Black Templars who joined the terra crusade.

>>52087685
Thanks, I'm torn between him and the Errant.

>>52087690
Theres like 10 black swords

>>52087690
I mean there is sure more BT out there crusading.

>>52087714
The point is that theyve wiped them out to the point of being a footnote

Next edition Black Templars will be at most a paint scheme in the codex under "Successor Chapters"

>>52087710
8, right now

>paint my heavy bolter sisters minimally so I can stick their guns on and continue detailing later
>Leave them to dry and go to work
>Constantly feel like I fucked something up or clogged the detail or put the paint on too thick
Kill me

>>52087732
>Sisters
>too thicc
unf

>>52087331
Get the Genestealer Cults Codex.

Run all the Genestealers as Purestrains (you can fit EXACTLY 14).

Rape literally everything.

New mark of space marine armour has been spotted in development. Sleeker, more modern and much larger than current marine armour. Stands over a head taller than current marines. Part of a range overhaul as a flagship army for the new rule system

>>52087766
>space marine crisis suits
Gulliman + tau codex confirmed

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Are Dark Eldar any good? Ive been considering building an army for a while but I dont see many people talking about them.

>>52087766
You mean larger like.... same size as Stormcast?

>>52087780
They are extremely mobile and shooty, but also really fragile. They are generally considered underpowered.

>>52086932
if a vehicle flat outs that means that embarked troops cant fire right? or do they snap fire?

>>52087766
Yeah, Mark 6. Deathwatch has it.

>>52087780
they got a large buff with gathering storm 2, to the point where they've become mid tier, at least that's what I think

>>52087780
there are ways of making good lists.

they do have a lot of shit units though.

>>52087810
Mk. 9

>>52087810
mk 6 is corvus you dingleberry

>>52087759
even Guilliman?

hey pretty new but I cant find a decent answer should I put a flamer in my 10 man squad of csm?

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Can he shoot twice at 24" and 4 times at 12"? Cause he looks kind of cool.

Anyone know if those bootleg Chinese DKoK are any good or do they fall apart like garbage?

>>52087886
Trim those moldlines and give him a good paint job and maybe

>>52087068

Haven't read the books but I can imagine it:

Calgar: "He's... so... GLORIOUS!" *Faints from excitement.

Guilliman: "Augh... where the hell I am? Oh... my head."

>>52087886
What's up with the disembodied hand on the barrel of the top lasgun?

>>52087068
He asked him "why does your geneseed shrink all our heads down to the size of a cat's testicles?"

>>52087925
While the leadership use is questionable, the last stand effect is kind of cool (even if it's probably not worth the cost)

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List 1 or 2?

1 represents some investment acquiring two units of havocs instead of one

2 is mostly what models I've got with the wargear they've got

>>52087923
What, you think a guard that badass asked for a second gun? He couldnt pry it from his mates cold dead hands so he took those too

>>52087925
Aside from the Standard, those are all pretty boring.

Unless I'm blind, I don't see anything restricting the Standard to Command/Honor Guard squads. Might be a neat gimmick to throw into Battle Companies to give the obligatory Captain something to contribute.

How u buy heavy/special weapons? What GW doing with them is fucked up...

>>52088057
Give a chink a shekel on ebay and he'll give you what you need, it might even be a real bit

>>52087925
I like that the Helm of Censure is a callback to one of the more minor characters from the Horus Heresy novels. That, the Sanctic Halo, and Soldier's Blade all look pretty good and just about affordable.

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So I'm doing an 1850 point army with a couple friends (one's doing tau one's doing IG). I was thinking of doing something like this, we agreed that FW was allowed since the tau guy is loading to the gills with riptides and broadsides.

Would this be fun to play? Would it be fun to play against?

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>>52088122
Fucked up the bottom.

>>52088122
Y'know there's a export to text/image function instead of splintring screenshots.

>>52088164
I did not.

Is this list dumb? I'm running tall-scale space marines which is why I avoid bikes and Rhinos.
My plan is for the Chosen to act as special weapons squad while I throw cultists and dakka at things.

CSM list 1000 pts

HQ:

Chaos Lord 65 pts

Troops:

Chaos Cultists 50 pts
Autogun x5 5 pts

Chaos Cultists 50 pts

Elites:

Chosen 90 pts
plasmagun x4 60 pts

Chosen 90 pts
Meltagun x4 40 pts

Heavy support:

Forgefiend 175 pts
Ectoplasma head 25 pts

Forgefiend 175 pts

Forgefiend 175 pts

>>52088174
That there lil' eyeball symbol, also lets you edit how much shit to include in the way of, rules, individual points and statlines.

>>52088190
What legion?

>>52088236

Non, just regular joes.

>>52088201
Thanks chief.

>>52088190
>My plan is for the Chosen to act as special weapons squad

With no Transports and no Infiltrate or Deep Strike, they're going to get mown down before they can do anything. Same with the Cultists - there just isn't enough of them to make an impact. And if you're just taking a cheap trash HQ, you might as well go for a Sorcerer, and get at least something for your points.

We seen what goes in the new Ultramarines detachment yet?

>>52088253
It's been posted before, so you can archive dive for it.

>>52088248

So, I get a sorceror and use the 5 pts for cultists? The big challenge is making foot slogging work.

>>52088281
REEEEEE!

Demanding people make an effort makes you elitist, you and your impossible standards are killing the game!

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>>52088253
1/2

>>52086974
I'm sorry that your cooler brother Sanguinius isn't here

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>>52088325
2/2

>>52088190
No legion makes this kind of list a hard sell. Your dudes are foot slogging and they are extremely reliant on just a 3+ save. Your melta dudes are gonna feel it the worse as getting into the 12" range is going to be a bitch. The three forgefiends are probably your best units but even with 8 s8 ap4 shots between the two of them, BS 3 is gonna screw you over. The ectoplasma is solid and the 24" shouldn't see problems at 1000 pts but you might feel it hurting you at higher points brackets and everyone having more points to bring dedicated tank hunters.

Hope this helps

>>52088135
Shamelessly self bumping.

Really though. When Sanguinius.

8th edición might pass and my order would still not arrive.

Wish GW had decent basic shipping, no way in hell Im dealing with UPS willing. Unless I spend over £300 in a single go, any other way UPS is abusive as fuck.

>>52087850
Guilliman can't be run in Kill Team you tard.

>>52088352
>not ordering off of amazon

>>52088349
When he finishes drying off of Abaddon's claw.

>>52085733
>being a fag
>not playing well build brute orkz
I mean, I can't be the only one, who cares that they are sexless

>>52088400
>fucking a fungus

I dont know what it is but it certainly isnt gay

>>52088281
Will do, thanks.

>>52088315
Fuck off, shitposter.

>>52088409
Stop putting up rules.

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENS WITH THE EMPEROR

>>52088345

Is it worth dropping the plasma for the forgefiend? It saves me some points there.
Not sure how to make this work because CSM is dependent on Rhinos.
I can't really model Rhinos...

>>52088418
Fuck the Emperor.

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENS TO ABADDON?

>>52088427
Not even in it.

>>52088418
nigga he died like 10k years ago

>>52087492
Yeah that confuses me too. The Space Marines haven't killed her once she brought Guilliman back? I mean sure they're practical, but she's already brought the Primarch back, why are they suffering the Xenos Witch to live when she's already fulfilled her function. Smells fishy

>>52088332
>>52088325
Thanks. That's kinda underwhelming. None of the Angels of Death formations got added in; it's basically just the Gladius but with ObSec for you Auxiliaries instead of free Rhinos.

>>52088430
Wasn't Abaddon being done in by Cypher supposed to be a big deal according to like all the rumours?

>>52088424
Run em as alpha legion. You get to infiltrate your cultists and chosen. That should solve your mobility issue for a bit.

>>52088440
Dunno, but not even in it according to dramatis personae.

>>52088407
a-anon, i know, but greenskins are kinda cute, in stupid kind of way.

>>52088394
How can he have a claw if he has no arms?

>>52088440
Rumors be wrong.

>>52088440
Yeah, what do they DO when they get to terra? Does the story just end there?
Do we have to wait for the 8ed brb?

>>52088447
>inb4 it were Imperial fan-wank

>>52088409
Wait, four allows you to Sieze on 2+? That's really strong, as is Preferred Enemy and being able to discard additional objective.

>>52088451
AHAHAHAHA WHAT A FUNNY AND ORIGINAL MEME.

>>52088457
There is rumor of Bobby becoming regent of Terra and second great crusade.

>>52088457

Most recent rumours points to Gulliman becoming Lord Commander of the Imperium, second only to Emps, massive increase in Warp Storms across the galaxy making navigation and communications difficult, and Gulliman starting a new Crusade to push back Chaos.

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>>52088437
If you want underwhelming

>>52088457
I kind of figured Cypher offing Abaddon was gonna make either Abaddon become a DP and enter the proper end game or make Lorgar become the main Chaos nigga as an obvious enemy for Grillmat.

>>52088445
Do I have to paint and model them as alpha legion or is it acceptable to just say the run the same tactics?

>>52088460
All of the warlord traits are good though 1 and 2 are questionable. I especially like split fire for every unit within a 6" bubble of the warlord? That's pretty crazy.

>>52088384
Amazons didn't sell Vyridian or Celestine super friend box at the time.

Do you honestly think anyone would buy at GW directly?

>>52088491
People might look at you funny but it's alpha legion. They wear whatever colour lets them blend in so why not?

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>>52088491
The OG legions split off into new warbands all the time. This is a Word Bearers warband who went into Khorne worship.

>>52088487
>take all this expensive infantry
>oh, and they can't take transports
>but they can catch bullets in the face for your 2+/3++ T6 FNP EW monster
Wew boy.

>>52088487
GK formation pls!

>>52088526

I suspect Gilly is going to go down like a bitch to a lot of attacks. How much Grav can he face-tank before he goes down?

>>52088526
If it is any consolation, you get BS5 Sternguard rerolling 1s. And while you can't take a dedicated transport, buy some transports for your battle company and plop em in turn 1. Easy peasy.

>>52088487
Literal meat shield for your footslogging monsterous creature.
I mean, if you want him to survive it's not a bad idea, but you'd have to protect the meatshield itself somehow, as it's fucking expensive. Fast attack rhinos making a wall in front of it is my best idea, and you can even store some of the squads in them.
Not an amazing formation, but could be used very well in a large army.

Trying to open the mega to get the SM codex on android, I just get stuck perpetually loading. Sat here for half an hour at one point, nothing. Wat do?

>>52088418
>Caring about fluff past 5th edition.

What next GotS is mediocre and not just a pile of shit?

>inb4 Chaos gets a new codex immediately after 8th and still no drop pods

>>52087387
To be fair this would work on me

>tfw love Grey Knights
>tfw having to decide between having an army you love or an army actually capable of winning

God, GK are terrible for their points cost.

>>52088554
Assuming he is saving on his 3++, he will need to eat 30 wounds. I figured this by working in batches of 10 wounds. For every 10 wounds he takes, he will save 6.6 on his 3++ in average. He will save another 1.1 on his fnp, taking 2.2 wounds at the final tally. So on average, Guilliman will take about 30 wounds before he dies.

>>52088573
I'm loving it all, Anon.

>>52087670
Yes

YESSSS

EMBRACE THE BUTTHURT

>>52088496
I ordered there once
now i always have it shipped to my local GW store for pickup, that always had no problems

>>52088592
he's not immune to rad grenade stacking though :D

>>52087399
Well, tell that to the guys from WHFG

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last pages of fluff
big spoilers 1/2

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>>52088533
Didn't save it, it might've been posted a couple threads back.

>>52088555
Battle company can't really afford to be taken with it. even with a CAD you're going to have to think really hard about your points

>>52086974
>Ultramarines symbol behind the throne
>smurfs and heretics only chapters in attendence at the CROWNING OF THE NEW EMPEROR

Well at least they didn't use this occasion for more smurf fanwank instead of a unified Imperium.

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>>52088620
big spoilers 2/2

>>52088592

Sounds about right. I mean, at the end of the day, he's roughly as survivable as a Riptide with the FNP upgrade, and people can and do gun those down, and he doesn't get jetpack moves.

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I love GW site glitches.

Quality site for quality rules and writing.

>>52086974
is throne of fortress of hera in macragge

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>>52088626
>>52088628

>>52088611
Rad grenades lower toughness, yes? My math assumes you've gotten past the toughness bit and you have a pool of pure wounds. So for the purposes of my math, rad grenades don't change anything except it is now easier to wound him. He still needs 30 wounds to kill him on average though

>>52088608
Nearest GW is in another country, crossing mountains, jungles, rivers, an artificial canal and now a longer boarder wall.

If only GW hadn't kill local stores with their retarded practices.

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>>52088636
yes

>>52088646
rad grenades stack, so 6 inquisitors with them charging him reduces him to T0, which automatically kills him

>>52088621
>Didn't save it, it might've been posted a couple threads back.
fuck =(

>>52088464
You mad~

>>52088628
lol Imperium unified over guilliman and a new great crusade oO

>>52088620
>>52088628

Cypher's sue-ness is showing here.

>>52088687
don't spoiler me ;(

>>52088628
DO you have scan of Magnus fight?

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>>52088671

>>52088628
So, apparently the Imperium always had the capacity to turn the tide, they just didn't want to enough.
But with Roboute's return ten millennia of political infighting, rivalries, incompetecy, loss of knowledge and cultural dogma all just magically disappear? Well, that's convenient.

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>>52088706
nope but...

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>>52088628
Imagine how he spoke to his child, i always imagined him speaking like in Rogue Trader novel Draco, split into thousands different minds.

'WHEN WE CONFRONTED THE CORRUPTED, HOMICIDAL HORUS WHO ONCE USED TO SHINE LIKE THE BRIGHTEST STAR, WHO USED TO BE OUR BELOVED FAVOURITE – WHEN THE FATE OF THE GALAXY HUNG BY A THREAD – WERE WE NOT COMPELLED TO EXPEL ALL COMPASSION? ALL LOVE? ALL JOY? THOSE WENT AWAY. HOW ELSE COULD WE HAVE ARMOURED OURSELVES? EXISTENCE IS TORMENT, A TORMENT THAT MUST NOURISH US. EVIDENTLY WE MUST STRIVE TO BE THE FIERCE REDEEMER OF MAN, YET WHAT WILL REDEEM US?’
‘Great lord of all,’ whimpered Jaq, ‘did you know of the hydra before now?’
‘NO, AND WE SHALL SURELY ACT IN DUE TIME—’
‘YET SURELY WE KNEW. HOW COULD WE NOT KNOW?’
‘ONCE WE HAVE ANALYSED THE INFORMATION WITHIN THIS SUB-MIND OF OURS.’
‘HEAR THIS, JAQ DRACO: ONLY TINY PORTIONS OF US CAN HEED YOU, OTHERWISE WE NEGLECT OUR IMPERIUM, OF WHICH OUR SCRUTINY MUST NOT FALTER FOR AN INSTANT. FOR TIME DOES NOT HALT EVERYWHERE WITHIN THE REALM OF MAN. INDEED TIME ONLY HALTS FOR YOU.’
‘WE ARE AN EVER-WATCHFUL LORD, ARE WE NOT? DID YOU HOPE TO GAIN OUR UNDIVIDED ATTENTION?’
‘HOW ELSE SHOULD WE SOUL-BIND PSYKERS AND OVERVIEW THE WARP AND BEAM THE ASTRONOMICAN BEACON AND SURVIVE AND RECEIVE INFORMATION AND GRANT AUDIENCES ALL AT ONCE, UNLESS WE ARE MANY?’
‘AND YET STILL WE MISS SO MUCH, SO VERY MUCH? SUCH AS THAT WHICH GUIDED YOU HERE.’
‘OUR SPIRIT GUIDED YOU.’
‘NO: ANOTHER SPIRIT, A REFLECTION OF OUR GOODNESS WHICH WE THRUST FROM US.’
‘WE ARE THE ONLY SOURCE OF GOODNESS, SEVERE AND DRASTIC. THERE IS NO OTHER SOURCE OF HOPE THAN US. WE ARE AGONISINGLY ALONE.’

>>52088735
Emp's son says GTFO and build, research and produce, they do.

Anyone else has to go through bullshit to get it done.

Guilliman can just kick out anyone who gets in the way.

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>>52088751
>that art

>>52088751
Kek, Magnus is about to impale his arms on his nipple-horns.

>>52088735
All the infighting, rivalries etc. don't mean shit when someone outranks everyone and can tell them to get to fucking work or get executed.

>>52088760
Likewise

Loved that series

>>52088791
I take it you've missed the last 10,000 years of actual human history.

>>52088735
Guh-ley-ma-an outranks them all

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>>52088735

>>52088735
I think it's about having someone who's authority they can't refute.
>>52088690
Does he actually do anything though

This whole gathering storm thing makes me sad, i just recently started to play 40k, and now the thing is going to get removed.

>>52088823
sup 1d4er

>>52088628
Lol how is losing your empire real? Like nigga just build more troops.

>>52088823
Its just going to be a rules crunch, 40k sells well enough that they wont have to squat anyone. No doubt neckbeards will argue the current bloated shit is better anyhow

Shoulda just wait before buying into 40k at this point. At least for 8th

Has there been any leaks of what grey knights are getting in gathering storm part 3?

Someone red pill me on Ynarri please.

>Can CWE start in DE transports now?
>Can the Tantalus be taken in Heavy for Ynarri and thus filled with something other than a court of archon?
>Is there any reason to run anything other than 2 wraith knights and a bunch of bikes with psyker support?

>>52088628
So Rowbooty found the idle villager button?

>>52088615

Except in that case it literally is a different setting as The Old World has been destroyed and replaced. You'd have to be full on denial to claim Cadia, Biel-tan and Ultramar aren't part of the 40k setting.

>>52088883
you dont even need 2 wraithknights, just fill with scat bikes and reavers, then abuse soulburst to get 2 turns a turn, plus half a turn in the enemies turn

>>52088883
No, already shut down by an FAQ.
Dont think so.
Yes, you can abuse DE webway portals to deepstrike wraith guard, kill a unit and then soulburst to take a second action.

>>52088592
what about Sever Life?

>>52088901

>No, already shut down by an FAQ.
Unit in a reborn war host all count as having 'Ynarri' faction, bypassing the errata.

>>52088915
Sever Life is...?

>>52088772

That's fucking retarded and doesn't even answer the guy's point. You couldn't even transmit Guilliman's orders to the entire imperium in a timely order never mind carry them out.

Leakerbro here

We are getting Allegiances by the way

Imperium = IG, Space Marines, Sisters, Ordo shit, Ad Mech, Grey Knights
Aeldari = Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequins, Ynarri
Xenos = Taus, Orks, Necrons, Tyranids
Chaos = Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Chaos Squats, Chaos Undivided, Abaddon's EverArmless army

>>52088934
No, they already FAQ'd the Ynnarri book. They count as both Ynnari AND their own faction (CWE, DE, or Harlies), and you can't have any faction mismatches for transports. So the the two new characters can ride in transport just fine (since they only have the Ynnari faction).

>>52088934
"Ynnari models have two Factions (except in the
case of Yvraine, the Visarch and the Yncarne, who only
have one). You must consider both of their Factions to
determine their levels of Alliance and which Transports
they may be embarked on at the beginning of the
game. For example, an Eldar/Ynnari unit shares the
same Factions as other Eldar/Ynnari, but is of different
Factions from (though Battle Brothers with) Dark
Eldar/Ynnari and Harlequins/Ynnari. An Eldar/Ynnari
unit can therefore only begin the game embarked if it is
embarked on an Eldar/Ynnari vehicle."

Answer straight from the FAQ itself. Apologies for the horrible formatting

>>52088937
Lemon Ross' gimmick.

>>52088947
>Nids working with Tau
I'll take shitposting for 200 Alex

>>52088947
I can dig it. Not sure how the xenos'll work though. Especially with nids and necrons working towards separate ends.

>>52088957
>he doesn't know that Tyranids are getting the Zerg treatment and now Hive Tyrants and other Lords have personalities

>>52088953
You mean from 30k? I dunno. I have never played 30k vs 40k before.

>>52088957
You found that more unbelievable than Chaos Squats?

>>52088644
Is that a shoop is is that really sisters of silence and gold-armoured custodes in the same pic as mark VII ultramarines?
I don't understand.

>>52088967
Theyll just retcon something

>>52088628

>Make more troops
>We're already running at maximum capacity
>Work harder
>Okay

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>>52088984
They are back in action in M42.
>Warhammer should be called 41,000 now.

>>52088947
>my tau and orks can now finally fucking work
it would be a good day
>nids allying with anyone
>necrons and nids allying
literally what the everloving fuck

Reminder that 8th edition will just be the imperium vs chaos
Everything else is getting squatted

>>52088947
OH SHIT

Replace Chaos Squats with Iron Warriors and it looks solid as hell

>>52088823
for 30 years it has endured the abuse of GW-storyhacks and rulewriterwannabes
it will continue to stand

I think it's time to embrace Disney40k

>>52089040
Yeah, it's definitely Marvel40k

>>52088791
Because that surely is in line with human nature.

Starter info
New Name (although still using 40k), contents/design will remind to 2nd edition starter, (but unknown if it will include SM vs Ork), new rulebook (Streamlined rules similar to AoS General handbook but slightly more complex), another book is like old codex imperialis.

iOs/android app after release
All existing army's will be available online (app/web).
Not codex, but future book release is similar to AoS battletome, etc...

GW will also launch a new game for organiced play (Although basically it will be a rulebook) for fantasy models that will share some "rules" with this new 40k.

source wants to stay hidden

>>52089053
>source doesn't want to be called out when he's proven to be full of shit.

>That army you realy want to play but, for any reason, don't

what's her name, /tg/?

>>52089063

why even bother trusting rumors
i still wait for forgeworld available in GW stores (the few limited edition models dont count)

>>52089067
SoB Expensive as Shit also old models

>>52089063
Or do not want to lose your job if it is true

>>52087366

you like the models? fine but as
>>52087422
says - they're shit on TT and have been for ages.

>>52089053
These are concepts at best nothing confirmed

>>52088772
You'd think the highlords would fight this teeth and claw, nevermind the million of planetary gouvernors or like three quarters of the inquisition.
If George Washington were to assume assume presidency tomorrow, you can be sure as shit that there would be more than a few people raising some questions here and there. Now scale that up by a factor of roughly 10,000 and make all communication take place by carrier pigeon.
That's not a situation that can be remedied by having a solid idea of logistics and being a capable leader.

>>52088735
Wow so 40k just got boring. Apparently the moment Guilliman arrives the Imperium instant just wins. They were only on the backfoot for a book at last and now they're going to already take it all back.

>>52089063
Only have to wait the white dwarf that will be out on 2 June. ;)

>>52089103
>If George Washington were to assume assume presidency tomorrow

Not even remotely similar.

>>52089082
Yeah because a internet psudonym endangers a job.

It's just bullshit without accountability.

>>52089067
Imperial Guard, specifically with as many Rough Riders as I can pack into a list. I love cavalry and Rough Riders honestly look like a unit that totally has a role in a Guard army (counter-charging melee units to give your shooty guard some breathing room or putting pressure on enemy MEQs), but I don't wanna have too many projects on the go at once, and a Guard army is a big investment.

>>52089103
>If George Washington were to assume assume presidency tomorrow

More like if Jesus assumed the role as pope.

>>52089104
>Imperium instant just wins
>torn apart by warp storms
>daemon primarchs returned
>tyranids, orks, tau and necrons assault from all corners
At least eldar are not mentioned as enemies.

Do ynarri units within a transport get to Soulburst if their is a kill nearby? Or does being inside a transport negate that.

>>52087366

"I'll admit, If you're playing Tyranids right now it's because you love the models, and they really are damn good models. Just don't collect flying hive tyrants with minimal tax, that's conning yourself into the worst of both worlds."

>>52089120
Is what I have done, writing as an anonymous in 4chan xD

>>52089116
Let's say Zhou Enlai appeared in front of the National People's Congress, then.

>>52089134
So other than Cadia what major planets or battles has it lost?

Far as I can see it lost Cadia and that's it. Not to mention the only Daemon Primarch we've seen do squat, Magnus, has been repulsed both times he's tried to attack the Imperium. Not impressive.

On the other hand we now know that the Imperium is apparently about to unleash an EVEN LARGER army than the Fuckhueg one they've always had, and about to unleash EVEN GREATER tech than the awesome tech they've always had, and the Custodes and Sisters of Silence are joining AND all the rivalries are being put aside.

Considering what Chaos has achieved pre-this (destroying Cadia...and that's about all we know) I doubt Chaos will achieve anything post this.

Honestly this is way more an optimistic ending then I expected.

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What's the best source of bodies/arms for chaos Havocs?

I don't expect regular CSM ars to fit heavy weapons.

Leakerbro here

Night Lords are becoming their own army

Night Lord Space Marines are now elite units

Other NL brothers are turned into Bat Monsters

Ascended NL Space Marines are Man-Bats wearing SM armor

They worship the great horned bat

Leakerbro here

Crisis suits are being removed
Kroot suits are being added

>>52089161
Yeah the story is pretty hopeful, Imperium is seemingly stronger than its ever been despite suffering the worst defeat since like ever. Makes it look like the only reason Abaddon got anywhere is cause the Imperium wasn't really trying to stop him.

Also gonna be wierd playing the Imperium without all the intercine struggle, always been part of the appeal to me.

Can someone explain to me why the Eldar and Imperium are bros all of the sudden?

>>52089208
They aren't.

>>52089134
Uh...aren't the Tau currently being devoured by giant flaming sentient warp storms? And aren't the Orks still stuck fighting the Imperium on the exact same place they've been stuck fighting the Imperium for ages?

Nids are a threat, sure, but if Calgar beat them Guilliman can do it without breaking a sweat. Remember a single Primarch in the Beast series could fight billions of Orks on his own on a planet and win, Guilliman with the Emperor's Sword could easily blunt Leviathen himself, let alone the tactical acumen or all the new toys and warriors he'll bring too.

>>52089208
because they dont want want to die to chaos

eldar and imperium helping each other isnt a new thing

>>52089208
A new faction of Eldar has been helpful to the Imperium because it's convenient for them to do so.

Nothing new really, the Imperium and the Eldar have been like this all the time, they're just a tsundere couple.

>>52089183
Like, suits for kroot? Suits made out of kroot? Both?
This merits investigation!

>>52088735

Does this mean cheaper sicarans? Sick

>>52089208
Yvraine succeed where Eldrad failed.

>>52089161
Not really major but they mention the imperium getting fucked up on a lot of fronts. Just in response to Guilliman's return they have kdk burning 88 worlds at once,

>>52089212
>.aren't the Tau currently being devoured by giant flaming sentient warp storms?

source? never heard of this at all, tau are the most plot armored race in the game right now

>Nids are a threat, sure, but if Calgar beat them Guilliman can do it without breaking a sweat.

Calgar suffered retarded losses to destroy a tiny tendril of the hive

>>52089227
Were any of those 88 worlds important? Or just agriworlds with no military forces?

Still not seeing any major losses here at all. Doesn't Guilliman wipe out all Chaos Forces in Ultramar and the neighbouring Systems in the beginning of the book alone?

>>52089212

>Guilliman with the Emperor's Sword could easily blunt Leviathen
>Marine-fags actually believe shit like this

>>52089208
the eldar are like an old flame, every now and again they're alright

>>52089218

Leaker anon here:

A Kroot Suit is a Zoot Suit for Kroot.

It grants them so much swag they count as a Gargantuan Creature and cause all units within 12" to fall back before they wreck themselves, daddio.

>>52089224

That Yvraine even exists is directly credited to Eldrad.

>>52089168

Devastators?

>>52089228
>tau are the most plot armored race in the game right now
Sure

Anyway the source is Fracture of Biel-Tan. Its mentioned that the flaming Damocles Gulf has fused with Warp Storms to become sentient moving firestorms which consume worlds and that they recently consumed the Tau armada.

>Calgar destroyed a tiny tendril of the hive
Wot? He literally takes part in destroying Behemoth, the biggest Hive Fleet seen till then.

Then he destroys one half of Kraken, the second-biggest Hive Fleet seen till then. He's literally won 2/3 Tyrannic Wars and the 3rd one isn't decided yet.

>>52089238
At this point a couple of geriatric ratlings could blunt Leviathan, so he's not wrong.

>>52089228
>source? never heard of this at all, tau are the most plot armored race in the game right now
Gulf of Damocles got set aflame by Cawl's one-of-a-kind relic missile, cutting off Farsight and Shadowsun from the rest of the Tau empire.

Turns into an oh shit moment for the Imperium when the wall of flame gets possessed by Chaos by fusing with a Warp Storm.

Remember when 40k was set in the grim darkness.

I miss 3rd edition even with its flaws.

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>>52089238
>Phoenix Lords can defeat hive fleets and pull out craftworlds from Eye of Terror
>implying primarch empowered by eldar can't

>>52089262

>Phoenix Lords can defeat hive fleets

A Hive SHIP. Not an entire fleet.

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>>52089212
>Orks still stuck fighting the Imperium on the exact same place they've been stuck fighting the Imperium for ages?
Over the entire imperium?

Yeah.

>Nids are a threat, sure, but if Calgar beat them Guilliman can do it without breaking a sweat

The small filaments are tendrils.
And a Vulcan didn't beat a billion orks.

>>52089161
Magnus made Fenris inhabitable and thus doomed the Wolves, so there's that.

>>52089238
To be honest he's right. Vulkan alone, without the Emperor's sword, is able to fight a planetary invasion of Beast Orks. The 'he's a Perpetual' also doesn't matter here as he doesn't die once.

Later on he also shows he can walk through and endure a gravity beam the Orks use to break down planets for constructing their Moon Bases. So yeah, if Guilliman is even half as durable and strong as that (and has the Emperor's Sword and canonically among the greatest intelligence/strategic skills ever) he probably could.

>>52089252
>the biggest Hive Fleet seen till then.

which in context of the size of the tyranid swarm that is larger than the galaxy makes those tiny, is my point

>>52089259
>>52089252

> fused with Warp Storms to become sentient moving firestorms

well shit i missed this out

>>52089262
Maugan Ra defeated a swarm from a Hive Ship. He did not defeat a Hive Fleet.

No Phoenix Lord has ever done anything close to that.

Can someone redpill me on going full steam ahead on 7 terminators for HoR killteam?

>>52089277
Fenris has always been inhabitable.

>>52089278

>The 'he's a Perpetual' also doesn't matter here as he doesn't die once.

Yeah he did. He ate shit. He couldn't even defeat a suped up Ork. That's the worst event you could have possibly brought up to help your argument.

>>52089183
>>52089183
Other Leakerbro here

Kroot and Vespid are getting their own codexes soon and you get special rules and bonuses if you field a pure army

>>52089275
Actually I meant Armageddon. As far as I remember the most recent Ork Waaaghs of note were Armageddon (which has not destroyed any worlds), the Red Waaagh which I believe destroyed three worlds and the Charadon Waaagh which I believe has accounted for two worlds.

Paltry numbers and, in many cases, barring Armageddon and Ryn's world the worlds invaded were of minor importance.

Yes Vulkan did. He fights an enitre invasion of Orks in the Beast series.

>>52089277
Wolves aren't doomed. Book itself says the Corruption got bled out and the mutants taken. The remaining inhabitants are fine, the world is purified and the Space Wolves can still recruit.

Honestly a lot of people, seemingly, have never read Wrath of Magnus.

>>52089285

>Maugan Ra defeated a swarm from a Hive Ship.

It was an entire Hive ship that got split from the main fleet.

>No Phoenix Lord has ever done anything close to that.

That's their whole MO. Fuegan killed 32 Daemon Lords in a single battle and Irilyth faced a Keeper and it's horde alone and won.

>>52089282
We don't have confirmation on the size of the Tyranid Swarm. Its constantly thrown about that it 'might be much larger than anything seen' and such. But there is no confirmation as to the extent of it yet.

>>52089285
To be fair Phoenix Lords are really wimpy, they die to normal marines a lot

>>52089297
Not all orks invasions are a billion orks.

Killing a billion orks, one ork per second with no pause would take him 31 years.

>>52089324

Name a single time that happened.

>>52089324
To be fair marines are really wimpy, they die to normal guardsmen a lot

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I don't see many Unending Host lists so figure I'd post one for critique

1850 Renegades & Heretics: Vraks Renegade Unending Host

HQ__
Renegade Command Squad
Arch Demagogue
master of the horde, covenant of nurgle, 4x Disciples, Chimera

Troops__
Renegade Infantry Platoon
20x PCS, Demagogue, x3 melta guns, chaos sigil, militia training, meltabombs
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training

Renegade Infantry Platoon
20x PCS, Demagogue, x3 melta guns, chaos sigil, militia training, meltabombs
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training

Renegade Infantry Platoon
20x PCS, Demagogue, x3 melta guns, chaos sigil, militia training, meltabombs
15x Infantry Squad, flamer
15x Infantry Squad, flamer

Fast Attack__
6x Renegade Sentinels
autocannons, camo netting, militia training

Heavy Support__
3x Rapier Lasers
extra crew, militia training

Lords of War__
Renegade Baneblade

The baneblade is bubblewrapped by fearless renegades that provide anything behind each individual squad an improvable 3+ cover save. Each infantry squad comes back onto the board outflanking when they die on the roll of a 2+

Yes I'm going to paint this many models

>>52087925
>AP2 at initiative sword for 20 points.
HNNNNG

>>52089288
He died to the Beast on Ullanor. The Beast.

On Calderis he didn't die. That was where he fought an entire Ork invasion single-handidly and where he tanked planet busting gravity beams

>>52089324

Ironically, whereas PLs have never been defeated by normal marines, Primarchs have. Guilliman got shit on by some Alpha Legion infiltrators. Curze barely fought off ten shmucks.

>>52089275

>Ultramar is mostly outside the current reach of the Astronomicon ring

LEAKER ASSHOLE HERE

ORK KLANZ ARE BACK AND THEY GET THEIR OWN CODEXES

FREEBOOTAZ AND SPEED FREEKZ ARE *NEW* KLANS

>>52089308
Only one of those that is impressive is Fuegan taking out 32 Greater Daemons. Does he do it at once or over time? Also can you tell me where that fluff's from, I'd like to see it for myself since that actually does fly in the face of most established Phoenix Lord fluff which has them incapable of beating Marine attack forces.

>>52089353
>Surely my S4 model will dominate with this!

>>52089353

>AP2 power sword
>Other factions aren't the ultramarines, so their relic weapon would do something interesting.

>caring about the lore
Do people actually do this lol
Just show me some more cool looking minis with good stats

>>52089327
He's a primarch, he easily could be killing 100's with each blow from Doom tremor. In the book he literally jumps through Stompas and they all instantly detonate, killing everyone inside, then he jumps out the other side. Or at one point he wipes out two battlewagons in one go, with all the Orks inside.

>>52089337
Jain Zar? Karandas?

>>52089371

If Maugan Ra solo killing a nid swarm is impressive, I don't see why Irilyth solo killing a daemon host isn't. Fuegan got the high score at The Battle of Harenshemesh. It's in his 6th edition codex entry.

>which has them incapable of beating Marine attack forces.

Anon, stop making shit up. They have literally never been defeated by a marine force.

>>52089344
I...cannot think of a single important Marine or Chaos Space Marine who was killed by guardsmen. Perhaps you could help? I'd actually love to know one if its true.

>>52088615
>please no AoS in my safe space
>sec gotta shitpost in the AoS General
Fantasy players deserve what they got

>>52089327
That's why he kills a lot more than one ork per second.
Also, numbers are kind of orks' thing. Most invasions are a lot more than a billion.
Also, 40K writers have no sense of scale.

>>52087724
I doubt it. They included a formation in FoC that includes Crusader squads and requires Templar chapter tactics. Plus, Castellans of The Imperium can incorporate Crusader squads and Templar characters.

We also know based on the pictures of the dioramas in he book that the Templars at least make it as far as the fight with Magnus' forces.

>>52088031
Typhus sucks, your bike units are too small, in my opinion bulky units of spawn as auxiliary are great for you and your sorcerer

>>52089360
Didn't in both those cases the Primarch still win?

>>52089363
EVIL SUNZ DITCHED THEIR SPEED FASCINATION AND PAINT THEMSELVES ORANGE, THEY NOW FOCUS ON MEKS

DEFFSKULLZ CAN NOW "LOOT" ANY VEHECILE OR SHIT AND MAKE IT ORKY

SPEED FREEKZ ARE THE GROGNARDS WHO FUCKING HATE THE EVIL SUNZ FOR REVAMPING THEIR STYLE AND THEY SHOULD GO BACK TO RED

>>52089402
No phoenix lord has ever been killed in lore by a marine either, so some faggots much be mixing rules with lore.

>>52089382

>In the book he literally jumps through Stompas and they all instantly detonate, killing everyone inside, then he jumps out the other side

All Primarch lore since the heresy novels started adds nothing of worth to the setting.

>>52088190

Is there any way outside of vehicles to add mobility to these guys? Or a way to protect them against shooting?

>>52089392

Saying Karandras was "defeated" by a dread is like saying Curze was defeated by an assassin. He didn't even fight the thing and got up two paragraphs later to hunt it down. Also, since when did dreads count as "normal" marines? If that counts as normal how bout the time Angron joobed in single combat to a Brother Captain? Or that time a freshly appointed Grand Master mopped the floor with Mortarion AND his honour guard? Or when Magnus got sent packing by a chapter master and his khornate axe?

Jain Zar single handedly wiped that warband down to less than a dozen members and forced their retreat. Talos didn't even kill her in his suicide explosion, just maimed her enough for a dread to follow up. It was an Eldar victory in their own novels. That's how pathetic Night Lords are. They lose in their own books.

>>52089398
I...don't think Maugan Ra killing a swarm is impressive. That's why I said the Fuegan one was the only impressive one.

Also I saw the Fuegan thing and, importantly, it certainly does not say he took them on simultaneously. But, regardless, I'd still give that as probably the single most impressive thing a Phoenix Lord has ever done.

Also Jain Zar was explicitly defeated by Marines. Like Karandas.

>>52089416

Curze won but suffered two wounds. Girlyman was dead to rights and had to talk his way out.

>>52089411
Welp at least you read.. A list, though you missed the actual question.

Typhus main use is making all cultists plague zombies without having to buy the relic and zap them one by one.

As for bikes I went with three as it's what i've got and it meshes with the "No emphasis on bikes/assault marines" aspect of DG.

>>52089103
This is the emperor issuing orders through a primarch, no human in their right mind would even dare no less think about refusing his order

>>52089429
Not disagreeing with the sentiment, but doesn't change that said fluff is canon.

>>52088533
Triumvirate of the Primarch
Librarian
3 units of Paladins
3 units of Terminators

Enjoy your 1880pt minimum formation

>>52088735
Agreed that that is complete bullshit, especially since all the new stuff is probably going to be nothing but Marines, not anything for any actually relevant fighting force. Maybe he'll advise the Skitarii to get themselves some Chimeras, though.

>>52089161

The Admech always had the WTFbullshit tech though, they're just a tad reluctant to break it out.
Also, the Custodes are irrelevant. There were only 10 thousand during the Heresy, there's probably quite a few less now. Won't do much good on this scale of warfare. Guard, Skitarii and the Inquisition will probably do the actual work, as usual.

>>52087724
There was still nothing in 7e fluff suggesting that the "only 1000 Templars" crap from that novel still holds any value.

Losing a crusade worth of guys is obviously a notable hit, but not enough to remove them entirely.

>>52089437
Didn't the audi drama VASTLY expand on Mortarion's defeat? And wasn't Magnus actually defeated because the entire combined Grey Knight 3rd Company poured their psychic might against the breach his axe caused?

Both cases certainly were more involved than 'grenade' and then stepped on.

Also doesn't Void Hunter literally end with the reborn Prophet rallying the Night Lords for a combined attack on Ulthwe as prophesied? (admittedly said plot point was clearly forgotten about, but in their own book if I remember correctly the prophecy wasn't interrupted)

>>52089454

Sure, I'm just disgusted by canon is all.

It's one thing to have marines be super wanked up supersoldiers. That's totally fitting with the spirit of the setting.

But adding in anime demigod hyper beings who treat massive marine hordes as irrelevant chaff?So unbearably wanky.

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>>52089456
>triumvirate
>7 units
EXPLAIN

>>52089462
Doesn't really change my point though. Makes it seem like the only reason Tyranid, Abaddon and Ghazz have been even the small threats they are is cause the Imperium wasn't bothering to fight them.

Not to mention I doubt the Custodes will be irrelevant. If GW can have groups of 500 men at a time swing battlefields occuring across planet wide fronts where, realistically, enormous numbers should be invovled, I'm sure they'll let a force of 1000 'Better Marines' have a major impact.

>>52089440

Do you have any idea how many nids there are on a Hive ship? Tens of thousands of Warriors alone. And he killed every single one of them. If that's not impressive then nothing is as that's logistically impossible for one infantryman to do that. Killing 30 something big Daemons is way more possible seeing as PLs have defeated them in a single blow almost every time. That's 20 minutes tops. How the fuck do you kill a million nids in alone? There's only so much synapstic backlash a skull elf can cause.

>>52089489

The explanation is you're an idiot and a superwholock.

>>52089476
Oh I agree completely. One of my least favourite things about the Beast Series (a series I did not like) was Vulkan and the Beast's animesque showdown of energy beams and regeneration. I honestly felt like it was DBZish.All it needed was the Beast revealing he had a 'Waaagh' form or some such.

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>>52086974
The Lion is the only other Primarch beside Guiliman who is confirmed to be alive and we know where he is. Are we going to see Lion and Roboute go on jolly co-operation tag team crusades across the galaxy. Because that sounds fucking great

Has anyone posted the Fallen datasheet yet? I've seen the formation and faction bits but haven't seen anything on the unit itself

>>52089492
IIRC he used the bio-splode munition like the ones death jester uses, set off chain reactions.

>>52089469


>Didn't the audi drama VASTLY expand on Mortarion's defeat

Immediately retconned by the Codex, which hilariously made the fight even MORE one sided in Draigo's favour.

Void Hunter ends with a consolation prize for them losing the battle in the form of a vague prophecy against the faction that has so many vague prophecies they have entire libraries dedicated to them. It's not even a prophecy that makes sense. It was just the promise that another could take on his gene seed and mantle with no guarantee he wouldn't get slapped around by Jain again.

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>>52088628
So, we mention everyone but the tyranids? Are we getting squatted?

>>52089512
didnt they kinda...not like each other

>>52089492
>How do you kill a million nids
Probably similar to how Vulkan kills billions of super smart/powerful/well-equipped Orks and tanks beams which crush planets.

Plot armour.

Besides Hive ships have varying sizes. Your now just assuming a size here. I could just as easily argue I assume it was a small Hive ship, a scout vessel. I'd be no more correct than you.

>>52089103
You're also missing the entire "the entire Imperium has been indoctrinated to worship the Emperor as a god and his sons of demi-gods" for 10,000 years and all of a sudden one of them returned. The leadership would be literally going against the faith if they were to oppose

>granted it's still cheesy that everything went okay.
>Should've also brought Lion back. Bobby G gets shit for working with Cypher. Imperium splits. But that would mean Imperium auto loses
>They can still do this once the Imperium is no longer "one step away from total destruction"

>>52089453
This is a person claiming to be a Primarch issuing an order claimed to be from the Emperor and transportet by way of playing telephone across an empire that has in large parts always assumed orders from Terra were straight from the Emperor.
Unless Guilliman is literally traveling to every forge-factory or manufactorum to tell the workers there to get their shit together, I don't see how this is supposed to have any actual effect.
It's not like the day-to-day fight for survival in a a hive or the way the administration has *always* worked will suddenly cease to matter out of consideration for Roboute, let alone all the invasions, infiltrations and internal conflicts with functionally everybody.

Can any1 edit a full galaxy map with recent developments that show conflicts/battles etc?

>>52089492
Who give a shit, Nids are shit tier joke enemies

>>52089212
>Orks still stuck fighting the Imperium on the exact same place they've been stuck fighting the Imperium for ages?

Orks subconsciously their fighting to match their opponents. This ensures they get a proper fight.

>Giant Ork Warbosses for Emperor's Crusades
>Galactic Ork Empire from Beast for Imperium post Heresy
>Baby bitch Orks for crumbled Imperium (40K)

>>52089558

According to Battle Fleet Gothic fluff, Hive ships do indeed carry tens of thousands Nid Warriors. That's where I'm getting that number. If you know of hive ships that have a minimum number then feel free to cite it. Otherwise, that's all I know of when it comes to Hive Ship size.

>>52089588
That makes no sense. By this logic the Beast(s) should have occured during the Great Crusade, not after.

>>52089573
t. Chaosfag