Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for nids

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Black Templar decurion when?
Vows for the Emperor's Champion When?
Relics and updated plastic kits when?

Fuck you Ultramarines, fuck you all.

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Third for Omegon and Sigmar are the missing primarchs.

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Xth for Dark Eldar!

Xth for no Grey Knight leaks in English or German because they were so underwhelming that the leakers didn't even bother wasting space on their camera's storage.

>>52081879
Everyday I sit and wonder, "Would the world be a better place if Black Templars never got a codex at all?" And posts like these make me think the answer is yes.

>>52081833
>Assault Terminators are a melee unit
>I2

>>52081903
>adarki aeldari

So we've had rules leaks, any fluff ones yet?

>>52081922
It's funny because he posted it again.

>>52081918
>>Assault Terminators
>>I2

Wat

>>52081930
I didn't think it was funny but now that you've pointed out what was funny about it I do.

>>52081925
>Cypher draws the Lion
>Strings it up
>Then plays the world's most epic sword guitar solo
>While receiving a blowjob from Celestine, Yvraine and a somehow younger Greyfax
>His amazing power sword guitaring skills bring Guilliman back to life
>Grey Knight drops out of the cieling where he was waiting for the perfect time to strike
>But then ends up accidentally befriending Guilliman instead
>Cawl dies of the plague
>So everyone gives him credit for Cypher's incredible sword guitaring skills so that he will be remembered

>>52081925
Cypher saves a bunch of guardsmen and then they die so they blame Cypher for it.

>>52081939
>orks

>>52081930
I posted it the very first time and this is the second time I've ever posted it
So yeah it's still funny to me

>Tau are a melee army
>I2

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>>52082055
Riptides are a teq

the book end with guilliman have a plan and is time for age of imperium.

>>52082055
>Genestealers are a shooting unit
>BS 0

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>>52081833
So he gets to doubleshoot in the shooting phase, and fires at full BS during overwatch, but does he get to double shoot during overwatch?

>Tyranids are a highly adaptable and customizable race
>2 upgrades

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>>52082055
>>52082066
Sequential escalating dubs confirms tau for faggots eternally

>>52082079
>Necrons are soulless automatons made of living-metal
>Made of plastic

>>52082077
Yes.

>>52082077
No not normally.
But what if Aeldari soublurst charge him in their shooting phase?

>>52081925
Fulgrim, Mortarion and Magnus want to kill or corrupt Guilliman, White Scars are wrecked.

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The Lion was always loyal and the fallen are just the good goys of chaos.

Cypher is cool though.

>>52082135
>The Lion was always loyal
This was never up for debate. Not in the old school codeces or BL drivel. Never understood the meme.

>>52082110
Still reaolved as a normal overwatch just out sequence. So only one shot from each pistol :(

>>52082135
They deserve their fate, which is to languish in the utter limbo of being an "army" with only one unit.
Give back The Lion to us already GW Rowbore Girlyman better not be the only primarch to come back.

Reminder that the lion was a traitor and the fallen are the real loyalists

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>reads tyranid lore
>sums up to there's not enough bullets in the galaxy to even make a dent in their true numbers
I think games workshop fucked up on the nid fluff and it annoys me because everything else is irreverent.

>>52082197
most weapons in the game don't actually use bullets

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>>52082196
Reminder that this meme has 0 basis.

Loyalty is its own reward :^)

>>52082197
There's more efficient ways to kill 'nids, my dude.
Like starvation.

>>52082196
Please.
If being autistic is traitorous most of this website would be in gitmo.

>>52082210
kek, i meant to say ammo im a fag

>>52082197
Nids are canonically a shitty second string villain though.
Chaos is the big bad and this is repeated again and again.

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>>52082197

Why are there so many fat old guys playing this game?

>>52082287
Chaos is the up in your face right now villain

Nids are the creeping death coming to clean up what's left

>>52082306
Because the game is old.

>>52082287
They could fuck some shit up though.
Remember, Skaven also won in the End Times.

>>52082306
Lots of time and disposable income.

>>52082313
Because you and your friends are the only people who actually play

>>52082306
nerds are either fat or skeletons

>>52082311
Nope. Chaos is the big bad destroyer of the universe.

>>52082306
Escapism

>>52082219
Exterminatusing all the planets in their path only keeps them from getting that planet's biomass, they aren't even really effected by traditional starvation since they can slow their metabolism to a rate so slow that they can travel the expanse between galaxies and presumably not lose anything

>>52082330
Are you insulting me for playing 40k in the 40k general?

>>52082336
Sure buddy whatever you say

It's not like the universe hasn't been destroyed yet

Wait

>>52082336
Fuck off Carnac

>>52082356
Yeah fatty
I play night lords
Theme pls

>>52082374
>>52082362
How deluded do Nidfags have to be?
Chaos is repeatedly said to be the biggest threat.
Chaos is the faction with both the means and intent to not only kill people and mess up the place like Nids, but destroy the very fabric of reality as well.

>>52082401
I play chaos
Once we're done skullfucking everyone we're gonna btfo by the bugs

Circle of life

>>52082287
>cause more losses than anyone else has since the Horus Heresy in only 250 years
>second rate villain
Kek

>>52082356
Yeah get good. Tau for life son

>>52082413
>I play chaos
>Once we're done skullfucking everyone we're gonna btfo by the bugs

You must be new and not know much about Chaos fluff.

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>>52082424
Night lords and tau. What a surprise.

>>52082416
The Purge alone may have the advantage here.

>>52082401

Isn't it always sort of implied that the end game of chaos is just to maintain the status-quo though? They thrive on human conflict and the biggest generator of human conflict is of course the Imperium itself. Why else would their chosen champion, supposedly superior to Horus and infused with their strength, fail miserably for 10,000 years to make any headway into dismantling the Imperium?

>>52082401
>Chaos
>Successfully destroyed galaxies: 0
>Tyranids
>Successfully destroyed galaxies: 1+

>>52082317
I took it as Lizardmen and Skaven both surviving extinction not really winning.

>>52082401
The more things there are producing feels the stronger chaos becomes, no feels producing meatbags, no chaos
Chaos is already IN it's win-state and nobody seems to notice
Autism and shit

>>52082446
>Isn't it always sort of implied that the end game of chaos is just to maintain the status-quo though?

No.
The goal of Chaos is to consume all of reality.

>>52082437
I've been playing since 2006
And death by nids is hella better than shitty "and then the universe explodes"

>>52082455
Surviving the mass extinction event is winning though

>>52082467
I've been playing since 1998 and no it's not.

>>52082455
Skaven got exactly what they wanted.
>Killed all the man-things
>Submerged Skavenblight into the Warp/Realm of Chaos for eternity
>Blew up the moon, showering the new world in rat-cocaine
I'd say the Skaven did a pretty fucking good job.

>>52082439
The future is now old man

>>52082449
You mean 0+

Which is still technically more than Chaos but at worst they're tied.

However post-Cadia, Chaos may have consumed more systems than the Tyranid race depending on how much total biomass exists

>>52082439
You know what's a bigger surprise? When I drop my bs5 riptide wing on your face

>>52082482
Interesting evolution and desperate struggle against a constantly evolving hyper organism

VS

the universe ends

Gee I wonder which one is better for a wargame

>>52082490
We should team up
I'll be the yandere night lord kun and you'll be the tsundere tau

It'll be really gay and sure to piss off the oldfags

>>52082507
>Interesting evolution

No.
Nids have never been interesting.

>the universe ends

More like the universe is plunged into never ending hell. Which is far better for a wargame than bugs fall everyone dies.

>>52082540
>I have no imagination*
ftfy

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Hey boys,
I am making a ynarri list. What do you guys think? Yes I know I am bringing wraith guard cheese.

>>52082540
>Everyone dies
>No emotion to feed off
>Chaos starves and dies
>Empty universe.

>>52082559
Faggot/10

>>52082540
Gameplay opurtunities in hell
>Demons vs demons

Gameplay opportunities everywhere else
>endless

Suck my dick I bet you think abbadon is cool

>>52082559
Are you a meme?

>>52082559
kys fag

>>52082539
Sounds like a match made perfect in the immaterium

>>52081925
Some fluff to be found here:

https://imgur.com/a/MXsze

>Gulliman is willing to let the Ecclesiarchy proclaim him divine to avert a schism
>Gulliman declares that this is an age of darkness and war, not reason an enlightment. Shuts down the Ultra's bigass library on pain of death
>Grimdark still grimdark

>>52082559
You suck

>>52082557
No, I'm just not a pathetic nidfag.

>>52082571
>Gameplay opurtunities in hell
>>Demons vs demons

Explicitly not true.

>Gameplay opportunities everywhere else
>endless

Yeah, so much fighting to be done in an empty galaxy eaten by Nids.

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>>52081925
>no GK leaks

>>52082466
And therefore also cause themselves to wither away to death?
This doesn't seem right.

>>52082465
This guy knows what's up

>>52082559
No shadowfield on your Archon? Enjoy losing the whole squad after you kill maybe 1 or 2 units on the drop.

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>>52082559
"I wish more people fielded dark eldar, they're such a cool faction!"
>Get folded in host of the pheonix king: boundless faggotry

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>>52082602
At least he don't want to wipe out eldar right? RIGHT?

>>52082539
Jesus fucking christ on my mother's grave I've never heard anything worse than this please consider stepping away from your keyboards for a few years.

>>52082336
That's why the nids have rampaged across the galaxy multiple times in 250 years while Chaos takes 10,000 to crack one planet?

Also the nid leader has arms.

>>52082666
Whatever you say, Slaanesh...

>>52082602
>Shuts down the Ultra's bigass library
Why tho?

>>52082643
>And therefore also cause themselves to wither away to death?

No.
If you still don't understand Chaos is beyond time and can keep enslaved souls then you're beyond help.

>>52082623
I'm sure that there's plenty of opportunities for battle in an empty universe since without living things to generate feelings chaos will die
The universe will die not with a bang, but with a whimper, because chaosfags make everything a pissing contest

>>52082687
>without living things to generate feelings chaos will die

Wrong again.

>>52082488
5th edition rulebook puts Tyranids as having munched 12 galaxies already. It's never been retconned.

>>52082703
>chaos as we know it only exists because feelings and shit
>naturally if we get rid of the feelings chaos will be fine :)
>this is what chaosfags actually believe

>>52082446
>>52082643
As retarded as it sound yes, chaos (the 4 (maybe excluding Tzeentch) major chaos gods at least) autistically wants to consume / destroy the entire galaxy even if it means their own suicide. The explanation of this is explained by "you cannot comprehend the motives of a god because your moral brain will explode."

>>52082666
They just get shoved into a corner and ignored until they kindly fuck off. They wander off to fight Chaos and Guilliman lets them go.

>>52082681
Because knowledge is dangerous. Its time for fighting, not reading.

>>52082725
>I don't actually read the fluff
>But I FEEL that Chaos should die in direct contradiction to the fluff.

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>>52082568
>>52082589
>>52082592
>>52082619
Is it really that bad. I am taking almost all harlequins and dark eldar unites. Its not like I am taking a bunch of scatterlaser bikes with a wraithknight and farseers. I just want to play with my harleis and dark brothers. Would you guys be less pissed if I switched the wraith guard for Medusa?

>>52082602
>"These are your Emperor's finest warriors, are they not? Surely they have the mental discipline to discern friend from foe."
even the eldar know the ultramarines are the greatest

>>52082682
But demons will starve as the enslavers did when they ate the old ones from the emotions created by the war in the heavens. Souls are implied to deteriorate unless they're pysker or eldar.

>>52082752
Post proofs that chaos will be fine without the materium

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>>52082734
>Because knowledge is dangerous. Its time for fighting, not reading.
>Says biggest nerd primarch save for Magnus

>>52082782
The scope of the game is the materium. Nobody gives a flying fuck about this chaos Dick measuring

Question, are there ANY chaos eldar at current date in 40k? If so how and why? And does Slaanesh still lay claim to the eldars soul or does the god this particular eldar worships?

>>52082806
>nobody cares that chaos will die without the materium
Kek

>>52082804
Getting his throat cut made him reevaluate his priorities in life.

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>>52082775
>But demons will starve

>>52082782
>Post proofs that chaos will be fine without the materium

How many times must this basic piece of rulebook fluff be posted?

>>52082681
Because it's time for dark and fell handed deeds that should not be written into history.

>>52082838
So you have no proof?

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So me and tsundere tau boi met up for our first date/ game

All his tau are unpainted just as they should be

>>52082838
as >>52082730
stated chaos wants to destroy the universe even if it means their own destruction.
This isn't proof, chaos wants to destroy the universe, this all makes sense is chaos worship became wide spread and chaos worshipers started stripping civilizations to open warp gates.

>>52082877
>So you have no proof?

Can you not read?

>all life will end
>There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos.

>>52082910
>This isn't proof

How is it not proof?

>>52082885
Drive eachother to the airport already

>>52082925
Because it isn't proof that chaos won't die you fucking meme

>>52082885
>me and tsundere tau boi
What are you, gay?

>>52082952
>Because it isn't proof that chaos won't die you fucking meme

How?
Not how it actually says what there won't be:
>Life, matter, space, time.
Then says that only Chaos will exist

>>52082957
I play night lords

Take a guess

>>52082925
>Only Chaos
Its just wording. Chaos will die soon after. Again you barely see enslavers (created from Necrons fear of being enslaved by the star gods) because they all died out when the Necrons lost their souls and they ran out of food "old ones" when other demon species thrive. And chaos started the horus heresy out of self defense because the Emperor was draining their worship ie starving them.

>>52082984
>Its just wording.

Prove it.

>Chaos will die soon after.

Except there is no time so there is no soon after.

Okay fa/tg/uys, riddle me this:

>Who wins on 4X4 table top, Ghazzy Vs Guilliman??

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>>52082766
>Expecting sympathy
>Ynnari

>>52082999
If there is no time then guess where we are again?
A shit setting for a wargame

>>52083001
Is Ghazzy scoria?
Then guilliman beats him

So is our Spiritual Liege going to become corrupted or some shit? The codex makes it seem like chaos dark influence is genuinely fucking with their minds?

Also with Guilliman back what do you think the primarch equivalents are going to be for all the other factions in the setting... since GW will want to milk money out of this and give everyone a character of equal strength and import.

I assume for Orkz Ghaz will finally become an avatar of Mork (or Gork) and surpass The Beast in power.

>>52082602
>The High Lords had anticipated the Primarch's desire to stand before the Golden Throne
>They would do everything they could to facilitate it, and to fete the living Primarch's return to the throneworld
glad to see that get nipped in the bud

>>52082984
Not him. What you said is headcanon an lies that are not supported.

The enslaver bullshit you shamelessly pulled out of your butt.

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Let's assume I'm an utter beginner.

How would I take Kastelan beep-boops with Skitarii, would it need an allied detachment of cult mechanicus?

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>>52083018

He's a master strategist

>>52083016
Chaos exists beyond time.
They can do as they please.

There remains infinitely more wargame material than a bunch of planets sterilised by gay space bugs.

>>52082656
>wanting your faction to be popular
>"""phoenix king"""
Anon you know the most popular factions have the most cancerous fanbases right? You should have been enjoying your sekrit kool kidz klub.
>but Sisters players
Are cancer because they are a meme.

>>52083063
This time on Warhammer No Universe
Daemons vs daemons, again

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I'm trying to build toward a sternhammer strike force, and am building a 1000 point battle demi company toward that.

I've attached what I have so far, with some points left. What do y'all think I could add or change?

>>52083036
They'd have to be genuinely retarded not to welcome back the best empire-managing Primarch, especially once he demonstrates he's willing to acquiesce to the church for unity's sake. He's exactly what they need most.

>>52082766
>Using Archon as a drop pod for Craftworld units
>"I just want to play with my dark brothers"

>>52083094
yep, I was just a little worried the authors would be infected by fan memes

>>52083080
Chaos can keep around souls.
Look at Draigo.
Look at Tuska's Orks.
Look at all the mortal souls in the Palace of Slaanesh.

The Gods could raise armies of any composition and have them fight, Again much better than Nidfag paradise.

So, what's everyone's thoughts on the Victrix Guard and Strike Force? I for one love Sternguard, but I have a hard time justifying Sicarius. The Strike Force just seems like better Gladius (unless you've already got a dozen pods and bawkses laying around)

>>52083119
And after nids nom the galaxy there's still: the entire fucking universe left over to have your chaos wank in

>>52083113
Thankfully we can also lay that stupid "SJW Guilliman" meme to rest. Motherfucker closes down centers of knowledge and is smart enough not to try to shove atheism down everyone's throat. So far he actually seems smarter about all this than his dad.

>>52083149
>And after nids nom the galaxy there's still: the entire fucking universe left over

With none of the factions anyone cares about.
Good job, nidfag.

>>52083162
>So far he actually seems smarter about all this than his dad.

You mean spineless. The Emperor wouldn't have bent to the status quo. He would have changed it

>>52083162
The thing is up until the heresy emps was doing a pretty good fucking job at keeping everything in line, aside from his autistic sons.

>>52083202
>The Emperor wouldn't have bent to the status quo.

lel the Emperor bent to political pressure to ban psykers from the Legions.

>>52083187
Better than uncompelling chaos wank

>>52083227
Nah, "chaos wank" leaves possibilities open.
Your desired bug wank is just a shit boring end for everyone.

>>52083223
He wasn't against or with either side.

>>52083082
Demi Company is trash at 1000 points. Just use a CAD and keep in mind what you need to get for the sternhammer later on.

>>52083187
>an entire universe full of room to write your own shitty fluff
>worse than "chaos faggot respawns xenos, other faggot resurrects imperials, another battle with no weight to it happens, eventually all the souls give up because they aren't Orks or khornate faggots"

>>52083259
Except he came down on the side of banning psykers despite the fact he created a Legion of psykers.

>>52083202
>"I am your glorious, golden, immortal lord. Everything I say is right and everyone must obey my every command forever. My word is law."
>"But I'm not a god and don't you dare treat me like one!"
>"Also Chaos doesn't exist, ignore the voices in your head."
>Emperor

>"Fuck it, if worshipping Dad makes you obey me and resist Chaos, then go ahead."
>Guilliman

One approach seems much smarter than the other.

>>52083250
Possibilities like what? Orks are the only faction left that would revel in endless war besides khornecucks
Unless you're suggesting AoS tier bullshittery

>>52083302
Eldar blowjobs make wonders.

>>52083202
And that's exactly how he fucked up. He didn't care about feelings and those feelings ended up paving the way for chaos. He humiliated Lorgar and Magnus publicly. He told Horus he was in charge now and that he was fucking off back to Terra in a massive public event without letting him know privately first. If he'd handled these things with some more finesse like Guilliman would have Remember Guilliman thought the whole "humiliating the entire word bearers chapter" thing was a bad idea. things would have been just fucking peachy. Guilliman can't possibly fuck up more than the emperor.

>>52083302
I think big E's downdfall was that he hid chaos from everyone, probably wouldn't have been betrayed if he hadn't

>>52083267
>>an entire universe full of room to write your own shitty fluff

You mean a blank universe filled with nothing and if it was it wouldn't be the stuff people like in 40k anyway.

>>52083308
>Possibilities like what?

Like literally anything, Chaos is the realm of impossible bullshit. You could go in whatever direction you wanted while still logically retaining all your factions.

would you downright refuse to play a renegades army?

>>52083343
No.
Why would I?

>>52083138
Victrix Guard isn't going to be justifiable unless you're playing over 3k points with spare transports

>>52082602
>lets the ecclisiarchy proclaim him divine
>shuts down the Ultra's library
WAT

>>52083328
eldar didn't do anything but help cawl revive him, guilliman's always had a good head on his shoulders

>>52083343
I wouldn't mind playing against them.

They'd just have to use the normal Astra Militarum codex.

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>>52083359
read, you dip

Dammit the armor looks so much better in the art.

>>52083379
Wow, seriously?
>>52083347
Renegades of Vraks supplement made them S tier but they're far from mono-build. They have way more options than AM ever could and don't always have to ally Kairos

>>52083379
I don't get it, why are people so against R&H?

>>52083335
Also he said that the material and rational was all that existed. Tzeentch says hi.

When his big ideology was revealed as a lie (yes daemons do exist and they do want your soul) it caused a major loss of faith in him personally. For all its faults the Imperial Cult seems better suited to handling the realities of Chaos, and since you can actually meme things into existence by sheer belief it may be literally true as well by this point.

>>52083420
>>52083421
Oh so it's because of Vraks. I never read that one.

>>52083359
Because he's not fedora-tier atheist like the Emperor and is willing to let your worship what you want if you obey the state. Classic Roman attitude.

>>52083375.
>guilliman's always had a good head on his shoulders
>Lets bully Alpharius and see what happens
>Oh Kurze is on rampage and killed my adoptive mother, nah send terminators instead challenging him
>I wonder what Fulgrim is up to, lets fight him instead of ruling Imperium

>>52083427
Again, leading back to the "chaos don't exist" thing
If he had just opened up with "there are things out there that are but aren't and they want to eat your soul" he'd probably not be on life support DESU

>>52083296
Removing psykers was his end goal.

>>52083391
>>52083452
But what about the library?

>>52083352
Probably true. The Relics are good though, I'm eyeballing the cloak that gives Eternal Warrior and It Will Not Die.

>>52083476
Which is ridiculous considering humanity was well on it's way to evolving into a psychic race

>>52083438
79 points for 3 TL S9 AP1 ordnance rapier lasers with T7 crew as it's wounds. You can take heavy choices as elites instead and quad mortar launchers as non compulsory troops. wyverns fit really well with them. The restriction of 0-1 Plague Zombies was removed so you can fill your compulsory with 6 point non Slow&Purposeful/shambling zombies with a 4++ invuln and mutant rabble that can take out daemon princes on the charge with an enforcer and combat drugs

>>52083478
>https://imgur.com/a/MXsze
just read, yo

>>52083475
in MoM he actually goes on a rant about how info about the depredations of "xenos" were public knowledge, the dangers of the warp were known but he avoided the word daemons for obvious reasons
the he wonders if just calling them that would've been better

>>52083478
>He decreed that now was an age of wrath and war, in which learning and lore must be cast aside. The Primarch shocked his Chapter by ordering the great Library of Ptolemy barred to all comers on pain of death.

>>52083524
But reading's lame!

>>52083537
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS LAME
*screeches externally*

>>52083475
That kind of begs the question of what happens to your soul, since that would be admitting it does exist. Honestly "sure I'm a god" would probably have been the smartest public approach. Let Lorgar head up an official church and everything. Bam, no Horus Heresy.

>>52083420
>Wow, seriously?
I think you stole my line. Have you read your own rules? You gotta put your foot down somewhere. You're in luck though, tournaments allow it.
>>52083421
This pretty much. >>52083513

>>52083536
This is so dumb and out of character for Rowboat though. Lets shut down learning and fuck up our chance at gaining a technological or tactical advantage on the enemy. He was supposed to be the most nerdy of the loyalists

>>52083662
It was just a library of xenos porn.

>>52083662
>He was supposed to be the most nerdy of the loyalists
Literally not possible while the Lion still exists.

>>52083643
Yeah except there's an air of expectancy where you don't bring 12 rapier lasers, 4 wyverns and 4 quad launchers to a pick up game

>>52083676
>Lion
>Nerdy

Lion is literally the autistic jock.

>>52083662
Poking your head into Chaos is known to result in you exploding into daemons. With Warp fuckery at an all-time high the last thing you want is some idiot sticking their nose in "Tzeentch's Chaos for Dummies".

>>52083643
Not him but
>wow all R&H players bring tournament faggotry
>just like all Tau players field nothing but Riptide Wings and Stormsurges
>and how all Eldar players literally only own jetbikes and Wraithknights

>>52083703
>autistic
>jock
This exists? Besides dressing up in bathrobes and parading around with muh honor and muh sekrit clubs sounds pretty nerdy to me 2bh familia

>>52083735
Yeah it exist.

Leman is the regular jock btw.

>>52083735
Frat jocks?

>>52083265
Fair enough.

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>tfw GK player

Here's Voldus.
Wow, it's fucking nothing.

Who would win between Guilliman and 256 true sons of Dorn

Assuming I have to run a solo venerable dread (got the start collecting kit so I'm going to have to for a while), would it be better to have it equipped for long ranged fire support or deep strike anti-armor?

>>52083798
ICASTFIST.PNG

>>52082602
You champion, thanks.

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>In Master of Mankind it is established Custodes only bow to the Emperor
>In Rise of the Primarch Custodes bow to Guilliman

>>52083716
They do though. If they don't in your area, you all must have thrown some serious shade to shame them into bringing their garbage units.

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>>52083773

He makes a fair beatstick / buffstick, and his hammer doesn't have unwieldy so he's smacking at I5. If you get the right combo of powers, like Geokinesis, you can solve Rowboat's problem of not having a transport by sticking him, his victrix guard, and voldus into a ruin and turning said ruin into a flying bangbus.

>>52083834
GW>>>whatever shit ADB writes

>>52083773
Oh just fuck off already. We've already been over how he has good utility that makes him distinct from Draigo, can be taken alongside Draigo, and how he's still better than Cypher.

>B-but Fallen got a whole new faction!
I seriously hope you don't actually say this.

>>52083834
>ADB a poop
news at eleven

>>52083848
>my meta is the only meta that exists

>>52083773
>Marine fags consider this shit
>2+/4++
>I5
>ML3
>Pick pretty much any psychic discipline you want
>oh here have an extra power on top of that
>At initiative Thunder Hammer
>Which is also a force weapon
>And They Shall Know No Rules
>Marine fags consider this shit
This is Imperial Privilege.

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>>52083773
>No eternal warrior
>5 points cheaper than Draigo

His only redeeming quality is his model and the hammer at I5.

I'm already preparing for the disappointment that'll be the "Bulwark of Purity" and "Daemonic Adversaries".

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>>52083537
READ, NIGGA - READ!!!

>>52083893
It's just one shitposter who's determined to make himself the resident GKfag. You will know him by his penguins.

>>52083834
I also thought that was kinda weird, if anything I was expecting them to be the only ones to put a "but" in Guilliman's way being the only ones old enough to remember how things used to be done

>>52083851

Robute can't join units.

Can someone explain to me why Riptides are considered overpowered? I mean they cost almost 200 points. If I take five of them that's half my army just there in five models. What's the problem?

>>52083931

Victrix Guard formation lets sternguard within 3" of him LOS.

>>52083909

Yeah he's a grade A moron - in last night's general he effectively stated he doesn't believe in probability nor does he know how to use basic statistics to not be awful at 40k.

>>52083931
Did you read? He doesn't have to join the unit, he just sits in the flying ruin party bus while Voldus and friends take the helm..

>>52083952
Shas go back to being dead we talked about how shitting Victrix sucks dicktrix

So they made Roboute scary and everyone else kind of weak?

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>>52083265
How is this for a start on a CAD?

I've toyed with some more devastators with plasma cannons

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>>52083909
>>52083954

That actually wasn't me this time. Someone else is disappointed as well. I'm on the acceptance stage of the 5 stages of grieving. I skipped bargaining because "bargain" and "GW" are about the farthest things from each other.


Sorry about last night, I was in the denial/anger stages. You say some stupid shit when you're angry.

Here's a penguin free of charge.

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>>52083954
>tfw I was the one who brought it up
I regret it, I really do.

>tfw that one namefag keeps bitching about Cypher
So are Ultrafans the most patrician of these three Marine flavors? Really kneads your noggin

>>52083952

Not bad - too bad my primary opponent is going to just no scatter d-scythe me twice.

I'm sick of Grey Knights. I want to go back to when we only had four chapters.

>>52084014
Oh, c'mon, I don't know how large the chapters were back in the time you're nostalgic about but the latest book has like 50 pages and most of it are pictures, surely you can manage that much.

>>52084014
This is my favorite meme. Strongly considering adding it to the annals of /40kg/'s most autistic pastafags.

Hey maybe I'll steal Raptors Anon's bingo template and put all of it in there one time. Then if the thread is shat up by /pol/ again I can post bingo and encourage some /tg/ shitposting to shit it out.

>>52083922
they're the ones who remember exactly how good he was at his job

>>52083895
>>52083861
Draigo should be his own faction.

Lump it with the Ghost Knights and other OP primarch-level marines.

>>52083952

Go, go, LoS! on a 4+.

>>52084056

He's an IC so 2+

>>52084068
He isn't and it's not.

>>52084068
>He's an IC

>>52084068
I hope you're not seriously engaging this troll.

>>52084068

Negative sir - he is not an IC, thus only passes on a 4+.

>>52084082

Not a troll when I'm correct.

how do I use rough riders, what's their job

>>52084109
You're not correct when you try to insist that Guilliman is going to have survivability issues.

>>52083799
I guess to clarify I plan on running tacticals in drop pods and devastators in the back lines providing long range punch.

>>52081886
>implying GW won't retcon the 20 primarchs figure with more "secret" or "second generation" Primarchs/Emperor-clones/Perpetual demigods with fancy sounding misspelled manly titles.

Hell the Imperium is already getting Primarch level warriors like the Arch Magoses, might as well give them shit like a penitent Luthur (who still might have a load of warp power) or some "good" version of Fabius Bile who carries on the Emperor's work and makes new Primarchs.

>>52083952

Sure at the cost of 700 points BEFORE you count Rowboat.

>>52084130

He's going to get obliterated by stomps so?

>>52084053
ORDO DRAIGO PRESENT!

WE WILL PROVIDE THE HAMS!

>>52084155
>or some "good" version of Fabius Bile who carries on the Emperor's work and makes new Primarchs.
>makes new Primarchs

The Imperium really didn't learn anything from the Horus Heresy did they

>>52084127
They're pretty bad at everything.

Apparently they can be good if used in a Castellans detachment since they get Hatred. Rush a shitload of them down the field with armored support in the back and spear some motherfuckers.

>>52084156
>obliterated by stomps.
Wow.
So you haven't looked at Guilliman's rules OR stomp rules.

>>52084130

Not that guy but it only takes 2 scatpacks to do 1 wound to him. You figure an even cost of scatpacks does 2 wounds a turn to him - I'm not impressed.

>>52084190

All it takes is one 6 - no saves of any kind, he isn't protected from D6+1 wounds.
All you do is trap him with a challenge (since he can't join a unit) then overlap your stomp in to him while protecting yourself from his StrD.

>>52083773
Strikes at initiative thunder hammer is not nothing.
Its fucking great. Plus he has grenades. Run through terrain and beat the stuffing out of a Knight titan with that guy and a squad.

>>52084213
He has eternal warrior and cannot be ID'd

>>52084213
>No saves of any kind
>Except the one that lets him come back to life

>>52084231

6 on the stomp chart isn't ID. It is D6+1 wounds with no saves of any kind allowed - Eternal Warrior doesn't protect you from that.

>>52084241

Sure - at a 50% chance with D3 wounds, not real worried.

>>52084158
I too watch TTS lmao

>>52084253
>Sure - at a 50% chance
and we're supposed to be worried by a 16% chance?

you do realize he'll be hitting before you, right?

>>52084213
>>52084231
>>52084253
How can you all be this wrong on purpose? Am I being memed?

Besides Stomp doesn't prevent the save that lets him come back from the dead, also implying your Knight will love long enough to Stomp him anyway. WK/Stormsurge maybe.

>>52084253
50% chance of revival is actually higher than your chance of stomping him to death but since you can't do basic arithmetic I'll forgive you for that.

So are the armored assault boxes permanent or what? They no longer have their own category and I haven't seen one go out of stock

>>52084295
I'm guessing they're permanent, similar to Start Collecting.

>>52083467
Alpharius is an interesting case. Why is it that he had such low self esteem when his twin didn't seem to give a shit?

>>52084285

No one gives a shit about a Knight, its a WK you're worried about. The better LoW choice for less points.

Also - at what point was I incorrect regarding the impact a 6 on the stomp chart and its interaction with EW?

>>52084279

He can hit before me all day - he has no protection against being chumped out by challenges which still won't save him from a stomp. Even without the 6 he doesn't really like stomps. And this all precludes someone running a Glaive WK into him which makes it worse.

>>52083895

>Most interesting thing I've seen is a fun little chart that's optional (by mutual agreement) between a Grey Knight player and their opponent, which turns their opponent into a 'Demonic Adversary' - basically their Warlord gets the Demon, Fleshbane, Armourbane and Smash rules as well as a 3++ and any of their independent characters (unless Genestealer Cult or Tyranid) can be upgraded to have the Demon special rule and ML1 Psyker for free (or 25pts for ML2). Tau and Necron only get the Demon rule - no psykers for them. Then, at the start of each of their psychic phases, the Adversary gets to roll D6+turn number and consults a chart for a free random buff ranging from free Warp Charge, a permanent +1 Strength/Toughness, random shots from the sky hitting units (ala Warpstorm Table from Demon codex), Independing Characters getting upgrading to Demon/Eternal Warrior, free auto-success undeniable Summoning power and so on.

>>52084404
>tfw Grey Knight mirror match
>Daemon Librarian versus Daemon Librarian
Kek

>>52084404
Chaos necrons, when?

>rowbooty has twin linked everything essentially
fuckin wew

>>52084404
Grey knights can make their opponent better while remaining shit, great. Do they at least get extra vp for killing the adversary or something?

>>52084404
>Nids get fucked again

Ahahahaha

>>52084426
Even better
>No Draigo, you ARE the Daemons

>>52084360
>he has no protection against being chumped out by challenges
Except for his sword's ability that lets him strike every model within 1" of his base. You're spending well over his points cost (and a frankly ridiculous amount of assumed movement shenanigans) at a single 16% chance to knock him out once, which depending on the dice he may just kill you before you strike anyways.

The imperial player's already won if you're devoting those kinds of resources to a distraction.

>And this all precludes someone running a Glaive WK into him which makes it worse.
Except he eats single WKs for breakfast.

do you even play this game

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>>52084436
Probably not. But you get the satisfaction of being able to justify the fluff in your match.

>>52084360
Your whole plan for beating Guilliman revolves around rolling a 6 on a single d6 roll, which you consider to be pretty likely for some reason, and then him NOT rezzing on a 4+ which you seem to think is extremely unlikely.

What the fuck are you smoking?

>>52082649
There is point to this. The archon is there to die.
>Wat
Yes. If he does, unit within 7" IMMEDIATELY soulbursts. DS near riptide? Go ahead, Intercept the squad. First S6 hit will gib the archon in the front and the squad will gib the riptide.

>>52084457
I would just drive up 4 razorbacks with ACs and tac squads with meltas right up to him and unload on him desu.

Fuck enough bolters with bring most anything down.

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>>52083861
>and how he's still better than Cypher.
Then you won't mind if I proxy him and pretend he's a BB to Tau instead of Imps?

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>>52084483
or just go after the rest of his army

I get that expensive centerpieces are things you want to kill, but it's seriously just feeding your army into a woodchipper.

>>52084457

Not that guy but you can easily get a challenge bait squad and Wk for the same cost as Rowboat.

Of a smart player just shoots him to death and laughs at you for taking a bad LoW

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>>52084318
How about the battleforce ones, those are going away right?

>>52084500
You can just jump back into your transports minus at most like two razors and go harass other shit.

>>52082287
But 3rd made Chaos second to the C'tan...

any news on IA 14?
any leaks for cypher?

>>52084514
>3rd

Who cares?

>>52084510
And then once you're piled back into the Razorbacks he stands back up.

Not to mention he's very likely going to have dudes near him to help support and take advantage of his command bubble.

So I think I just became that guy today...

>be hobbying in shop
>guy asks for game of 40k, 750pts
>agree, ask him what he's bringing
>"super strong eldar"
>fuck my crisis suits and commander are all unbased
>"any vehicles?"
>Yea man I'm bringing two
>unpack ten fire warriors, ten pathfinders, ethereal, 2 pirahnas, the fish and a riptide
>he drops 10 dire avengers, eldrad, twenty guardians a vyper, wave serpent and five banshees
>tell him I'll drop the tide for some stealth suits and more firewarriors
>he declined, tournament rules and all that
>table him turn two

He looked so dejected I even charged him with the riptide and fore warriors...I felt terrible

>>52082559
Why didn't you take your starweavers as dedicated transports?

so when's games workshop going to lower the prices so I can properly get into this hobby and even buy some models for my kiddos

>>52083352
>>52083138
What's the stats on the Victrix Guard?

Do they just get Sternguard with rerolls or something?

>>52084572
He was an eldar player. Noone cares.

>>52084559
I fucking hate monsterhammer.

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>>52083990
>Ultramarine fans are better because they didn't bitch as much about what is actually a pretty good unit.

>>52084453
Pretty sure that it lets him make a number of attacks equal to the number of models within 1".

>>52084572
>"any vehicles?"
>Yea man I'm bringing two

That should have been your hint that it wasn't 'super strong eldar'

Also, if you wanted to dial it back, you could have attempted deep-striking the Riptide. Would have kept it off the table for at least a bit longer.

>>52084610
>against each enemy unit
is the key bit

If you charge a bait squad and a knight into him, he's going to be able to attack the knight with one swing as well.

>>52084572
>riptide
>at 750
Unsure if bait or meme come to life

>>52082077
Use your brain.

Does overwatch take place in the shooting phase?

>>52084591
I figure they don't think lowering prices will bring that many more people in, so they're after money off fewer bigger sales, and licensing.

>>52084606
He's basically a Riptide with a permanent 3++, a chance to get back up each turn after dying, and devastating melee.

Why people are acting like he's some easy thing to take out I have no idea. Even if he never gets into melee he's still a decent amount of firepower and nice buffs.

>>52083112
Even in the ynarri formations, craftworld cannot start in dark eldar vehicles and vice versa. It was faq'd

>>52084650
Everyone else gets to shoot as many weapons as they can in the shooting phase in overwatch I don't see why cypher couldn't.

>>52084674
He can. He just can't shoot them twice.

>>52084654
There were a bunch of vocal retards spouting that Cawl is easy to kill when his rules were leaked because >dies to instant-death

Just ignore their bullshit.

>>52084650
I've seen many interpretations that overwatch is essentially another shooting phase. I think there's some bullshit in the FAQs about that, too.

>>52084705
If he can fire twice in the shooting phase, he can fire twice in overwatch. Same deal as MC's and crisis suits.

>>52084654
>a decent amount of firepower
the super heavyb's nice, but it's not really anything noteworthy even if he is pretty much guaranteed to hit with every shot

>>52084725
Overwatch is not a shooting phase anyone who says that is cheating.

>>52084543
>any leaks on Cypher

They've already revealed his rules on the official GW youtube channel. We don't know his points, but considering it's a literal copy paste of his old data slate we can assume it's the same as before (but really shouldn't be).

>>52084673
>Units and Formations taken as part of an Ynnari
Formation (pg 119-123) or a Reborn Warhost (pg 126) have
the Ynnari Faction in addition to their own Faction.

What stops you from starting in a vehicle of the same faction?

>>52084739
Q: How many shooting attacks can I do when
firing Overwatch?
A: As many as the model can fire in the Shooting phase.

>>52084738
People treat Riptides like the devil, and it has a similar amount of shooting at half the ballistic skill. Granted, it also has blasts, but it's hardly something to scoff at.

>>52084731
What are you even talking about?
Noone's denying he can fire both his pistols on overwatch, we're discussing whether or not he can use his special ability to fire them EACH TWICE for a total of four shooting attacks. which he can't.

>>52084765
So are you going to argue he can also run instead of overwatching?

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>>52084739
Pic related is the entire reason I'm asking.

>>52084748
he's 160 points.

>>52084784
See >>52084765

>>52084755
The FAQ mentions some bullshit about having a double faction, it's a really weak excuse to prevent Harlies and Craftworlders from starting in Raiders.

>>52084801
Is running a shooting attack? >>52084806

>>52084801
That's literally not what he said though...
>A: As many as the model can fire in the Shooting phase.

>>52084833
Well good to be honest.
I didn't want my faction to die an inglorious death as a taxi service.

>>52084801
>gets BTFO
>moves the other anon's goal post

Damn son, learn when to quit.

>>52084774
>Granted, it also has blasts
Large blasts, and a secondary weapon. Not to mention the access to AP2.

Riptides aren't the devil, but they have way more firepower than a guy whose cost is tied up in his toughness and melee ability.

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>>52084806
He's not.

>>52084867
maybe 190 is German for 160

>>52082704
It's confirmed in Beast series that Chaos exists in other galaxies.

Also in the Ultramarine omnibus we see a vision of Khorne consuming an alien galaxy.

>>52084863
>Not to mention access to AP 2

You mean like the Strength 6 AP 2 bolter Guilliman is firing?

He'll put out a lot of damage from a range. More when you factor in how he lets those nearby re-roll 1s on their shooting.

I'm not saying Guilliman is going to out-shoot a Riptide, but he's not the sort of thing that can just be ignored either.

>>52084867
I stand corrected. That's what I get for not doublechecking or caring.

>>52084904
Doesn't it have rending and assault?

>>52084858
You're an idiot if you think this is rules as intended and there won't be an FAQ for this book immediately which proves me right.

>>52084436
well, GK do have a bunch of things that are more effective against daemons and psykers....

>>52084928
Who the fuck said intended?

>>52084904
>You mean like the Strength 6 AP 2 bolter Guilliman is firing?
Ap2 large blasts*

His gun's a vintage starcannon. Good, but 3rd edition's top gun has long been surpassed.

>>52084854

Agreed. Also, given the FAQ can I put a Ynnari succubus in a raider from a pure DE detachment?

>>52084943
And still get beat by Daemons and psyker-based armies pretty handedly.

>>52084928
>literally beaten word for word by the rules
>"You're an idiot if you think this is rules as intended"

You don't handle losing well, do you anon?
I take it you play Tau?

>>52084867
English por favor.

>>52084922
It has both of those, but is also AP 2 by default.

>>52084979
Beat by Daemons. Not necessarily by a single Daemon.

In a way, it might actually work out. Opponent thinks he's got a close combat monster, and then he plays straight into the stregths of the GK.

Also, it's basically an optional fluff rule. Not like it'll matter much in competitive play.

>>52084977
Yes, but you can't put one of the Ynnari characters in there unless they are being taken as one of the DE detachments HQ's.

It's not really all that logically consistent.

>>52084988
Translated it for your guys last thread already: >>52079489

>Eternal Warrior
>ATSKNF
>Infitrate
>Shrouded
>Fleet (I think? I'm German but never read any german rules in my life)
>IC
>Fall Back (I presume that's Hit and Run in english)

>Divine Protection
His old "getting captured" rule

>Gunslinger
Can either shoot one of his pistols twice or each once and Run in the same phase. Shoots Overwatch at BS 10. Half of his melee attacks, rounded up, are S 4 AP 5, rest S 7 AP 2

>You Reap What you Sow
Can't be your Warlord but can be in every army without taking up a slot. Downside is giving your actual Warlord -1 Ld

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Sup /tg/. I had a 7000 point game today between my "Double-Castellans" against my buddy's Maxed Castellans list. I had like 8 HQ's and 12+ troops, along with a deathstar of 5 librarians sitting around with some Honour Guard.

My buddy had a mixture of Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Grey Knights, Custodians, and Imperial Guard, alongside Leman Russ(We had agreed beforehand to alloy Leman Russ to be in the list so long as it was his mandatory warlord/Lord of War), and his buffs applied to units with the space wolves faction.

To put things simply, I ended up losing 16 points to 33, since tactical marines and scouts aren't the killiest thing in the world. Pretty much 90% of my kills came from my Leviathan and his mixed bag of 7 other dreadnoughts. My rough riders didn't accomplish much either, aside from gibbing a squad of ravenwing bikers, and my Rough Rider Khan got solo'd by Daante.

>>52085002
It could, and it actually kinda ends up being something I had a showerthought concept for helping GK's out. My idea was that every turn, each GK unit (Pure GK armies run about 5-7 total units) could literally go "You're a Daemon!" or "You're in league with the ruinous powers!" and attack/shoot/mindbullet a target unit as if it were a Daemon, but without it receiving those associated rules.

>>52085018

He still can't be taken by DA can he?

>>52084995
God damn I have no idea what my DA army could do against that?

Maybe DW knights with a chappy and a dread nearby for support?

If he does not just cleave them all down.