/hwg/ - Historical Wargames General

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>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Fleet Series
https://mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!XsVD0KgT!twB1NWiFE3aKXK_O1EZ4pA
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Next War (GMT)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warhammer Historical
https://mega.nz/#F!LxkElYYY!FJB5miNmlWZKMj2VfSYdxg
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf

Desired scans :
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest

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9th March in military history:

1230 – Bulgarian tsar Ivan Asen II defeats Theodore of Epirus in the Battle of Klokotnitsa.
1811 – Paraguayan forces defeat Manuel Belgrano at the Battle of Tacuarí.
1831 – The French Foreign Legion is established by King Louis Philippe to support his war in Algeria.
1847 – Mexican–American War: The first large-scale amphibious assault in U.S. history is launched in the Siege of Veracruz.
1862 – American Civil War: The USS Monitor and CSS Virginia fight to a draw in the Battle of Hampton Roads, the first battle between two ironclad warships.
1916 – Mexican Revolution: Pancho Villa leads nearly 500 Mexican raiders in an attack against the border town of Columbus, New Mexico.
1925 – Pink's War: The Royal Air Force began a bombardment and strafing campaign against the mountain strongholds of Mahsud tribesmen in South Waziristan.
1944 – World War II: Japanese troops counter-attack American forces on Hill 700 in Bougainville in a battle that would last five days.
1944 – World War II: Soviet Army planes attack Tallinn, Estonia.
1945 – The Bombing of Tokyo by the United States Army Air Forces begins, one of the most destructive bombing raids in history.
1945 – World War II: A coup d'état by Japanese forces in French Indochina removes the French from power.
1956 – Soviet forces suppress mass demonstrations in the Georgian SSR, reacting to Nikita Khrushchev's de-Stalinization policy.
1977 – The Hanafi Siege: In a thirty-nine-hour standoff, armed Hanafi Muslims seize three Washington, D.C., buildings, killing two and taking 149 hostage.

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It is 155 years since the Battle of Hampton Roads, the most noted and arguably most important naval battle of the American Civil War from the standpoint of the development of navies. It was fought over two days, March 8–9, 1862, in Hampton Roads, a roadstead in Virginia where the Elizabeth and Nansemond Rivers meet the James River just before it enters Chesapeake Bay adjacent to the city of Norfolk. The battle was a part of the effort of the Confederacy to break the Union blockade, which had cut off Virginia's largest cities, Norfolk and Richmond, from international trade.

The major significance of the battle is that it was the first meeting in combat of ironclad warships, i.e. the USS Monitor and the CSS Virginia. The Confederate fleet consisted of the ironclad ram Virginia (built from the remnants of the USS Merrimack) and several supporting vessels. On the first day of battle, they were opposed by several conventional, wooden-hulled ships of the Union Navy. On that day, Virginia was able to destroy two ships of the Federal flotilla, USS Congress and USS Cumberland, and was about to attack a third, USS Minnesota, which had run aground. However, the action was halted by darkness and falling tide, so Virginia retired to take care of her few wounded and repair her minimal battle damage.

Determined to complete the destruction of the Minnesota, Virginia returned to the fray the next morning, March 9. During the night, however, the ironclad Monitor had arrived and had taken a position to defend Minnesota. When Virginia approached, Monitor intercepted her. The two ironclads fought for about three hours, with neither being able to inflict significant damage on the other. The duel ended indecisively, Virginia returning to her home at the Gosport Navy Yard for repairs and strengthening, and Monitor to her station defending Minnesota. The ships did not fight again, and the blockade remained in place.

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>>52073263
The battle received worldwide attention, and it had immediate effects on navies around the world. The preeminent naval powers, Great Britain and France, halted further construction of wooden-hulled ships, and others followed suit. A new type of warship was produced, the monitor, based on the principle of the original. The use of a small number of very heavy guns, mounted so that they could fire in all directions was first demonstrated by Monitor but soon became standard in warships of all types. Shipbuilders also incorporated rams into the designs of warship hulls for the rest of the century.

There's no shortage of literature on this subject, but not that many games. ACW naval gaming definitely has a following, however. The Anaconda ruleset is focused on larger coastal actions but there are also rules in the folder for river actions, for those gamers who love their paddlepowered gunboats.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/we2qrbykua0jwjk/Osprey+-+DUEL+014+-+Confederate+Ironclad+vs+Union+Ironclad.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/nsw1t9xwqmrmm21/Osprey+-+CAM+103+-+Hampton+Roads+1862.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3k6im16oc5ze4y6/Osprey+-+NVA+045+-+Union+Monitor+1861-65.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/15bs0w5gag8ra6a/Osprey+-+NVA+041+-+Confederate+Ironclad+1861-65.pdf

http://www.mediafire.com/download/7tjcc8jxvxtn34f/Anaconda+-+Capital+Navies.pdf

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It is 101 years since the Battle of Columbus, an attack conducted by Pancho Villa's Division of the North on the small US border town of Columbus, New Mexico. The raid escalated into a full-scale battle between Villistas and the US Army. Villa himself led the assault, only to be driven back into Mexico by elements of the 13th Cavalry. The attack angered Americans and President Woodrow Wilson ordered the Pancho Villa Expedition in which the US Army invaded Mexico in an unsuccessful attempt to capture General Villa.

In spite of Villa's claim that the raid was a success by evidence of captured arms and equipment as well as horses and mules, the raid was a tactical disaster for him with ill-afforded casualties which numbered over 100 of his force of 400-500 men. Despite a fight of more than an hour and the burning of several buildings, American casualties were much smaller: eight soldiers and ten civilians were killed and six soldiers and two civilians were wounded.

The United States government wasted no time in responding. The Battle of Columbus was a direct cause of the Pancho Villa Expedition, a punitive expedition led by General John J. Pershing to track down and capture or kill the attackers, including Villa. In the search, the Army used Jenny airplanes for reconnaissance and trucks to carry supplies (both firsts for the Army). They scoured portions of northern Mexico for six months but Villa was not found. In April 1917, when the United States entered World War I, and under intense diplomatic pressure from the Mexican government, these troops were withdrawn from Mexico and sent to France.

Any good WW1 skirmish set would suit this, with Mud and Blood perhaps being ideal.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/u88nuwta6842obw/Osprey+-+ELI+137+-+The+Mexican+Revolution+1910-20.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/tboall84afn6iov/Osprey+-+RAID+029+-+The+Hunt+for+Pancho+Villa+1916-17.pdf

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It is 72 years since the Japanese coup d'état in French Indochina, an almost forgotten footnote in WW2 history. The French Indochinese government - had remained loyal to the Vichy regime after the fall of France in June 1940 - was overthrown in a short but violent operation. The Japanese delivered an ultimatum for the French troops to disarm, without warning. Those who refused were usually massacred. In Saigon, senior Japanese officers invited the French commanders to a banquet. The officers who attended were arrested and almost all were killed.

In Saigon the two senior Vichy officials, General Emile-René Lemonnier and Resident Camille Auphalle, were executed by decapitation, after refusing to sign surrender documents. The most determined French resistance was at Dong Dang where a company of Tonkinese Rifles and a battery of colonial artillery held out for three days before being massacred.

The French upcountry garrisons fared better, however, and, under the leadership of Major-General Marcel Alessandri, a column of 5,700 French troops, including many Foreign Legionnaires fought its way through to Nationalist China.

If you're looking for an obscure new front to try in your WW2 gaming, you might find something in these desperate struggles long-since buried by more glamorous actions. There is very little information on it in English; here a few related Ospreys which might be of use.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/hpq8ffn3sfd7gpt/Osprey+-+MAA+300+-+French+Foreign+Legion+Since+1945.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/47q3513621mwd2z/Osprey+-+MAA+315+-+The+French+Army+1939-45+%281%29+The+Army+of+1939-40+%26+Vichy+France.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/sxvrn40wmw90rwi/Osprey+-+MAA+322+-+The+French+Indochina+War+1946-54.pdf

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The community project this month is an obsolete unit or vehicle.

>>52073263
>>52073274
I remember reading a book that was a bio of John Ericsson. If I remember correctly, the guns on Monitor were his own design, and he felt that they could have penetrated Merrimack's hull, except for the fact that the gunnery officer aboard Monitor was afraid of using the charge that Ericsson specified, for fear that he'd blow the guns up.

I read weird shit as a kid.

So Warlord is going down a slippery slope. Third battle report in their newsletter with unpainted/half painted armies, plus a Pz IV with markings that even I can tell are wrong, not to mention the dark grey base color.

Also, an article that tries to justify the 24" range, and why they couldn't shoot from one end of a 28mm Pegasus bridge to the other.

>>52073691

I don't enjoy 28mm ww2 and this just enforces my point haha!

>>52073263
>>52073274
>>52073487
>If I remember correctly, the guns on Monitor were his own design, and he felt that they could have penetrated Merrimack's hull, except for the fact that the gunnery officer aboard Monitor was afraid of using the charge that Ericsson specified, for fear that he'd blow the guns up.
That's how it went in the made-for-TV movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmnnqJm_4Pc

>Dat acting.
>Dat accent.

>>52073691
That battlereport was really weak.

>Fallschirmjägers represented by (unpainted!!) Grenadier models.

Why the fuck bother with calling them Fallschirmjägers when Veteran Grenadiers have exactly the same equipment available?

I have no problem with them featuring (good looking) stuff from the community like they often do, but from what i recall, that battlereport was done by one of their employees.
In such a case i expect fully painted (and properly themed) armies and painted terrain, otherwise its just a sad joke.

>>52073296
Here's a scenario and battle report for a Japanese vs Vichy French fight

http://www.testofbattle.com/upload/bob/Lang%20Son.htm

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>>52073487
Was that the same guy whos guns exploded killing the secretary of the navy or someone similarly important?

>>52074222
And like I said, this is the third battlereport like this. And not a iota of progress have been seen.

Plus if you're an employee, just ask your boss for a box of FJ for fuck's sake.

>>52073691
>Warlord
I disagree with this article. He speaks about hit probability, that I have with dice roll. Range is another story.

>>52073691
One of the things I really liked about Iron Cross is the long weapon ranges. Combined with it's interrupt mechanic it really provides the feeling that one wrong move will get everyone killed.

>>52073691
>an article that tries to justify the 24" range

And entire article... when the only justification for it is 'because we did it in 40k to make sure armies have to move a bit before shooting at each other it worked so why change?'.

>>52075256
this sounds fun, are there onlie rules?

>>52075370
Not that I'm aware of. I don't own a copy myself, just joined in some games of it at my club.

>>52075370
You could check Secrets of the Third Reich if you want something similar concerning weapon ranges. Under the Weird War stuff, the engine is a solid WW2 game.

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>>52075554
Crossfire does this too doesn't it?

A vickers mmg's effective range is 2 Km so it seems like really you should have to use cover/concealment/suppression to get close to a MG nest

>>52073487

You're confusing/conflating a few things which isn't surprising seeing how US Navy had a decades long habit of throwing Ericsson under the bus!

1st, Monitor's XI Dahlgrens were fired at half charges because the Navy was worried about the concussive effects of full charges on the men inside the turret. Those fear proved unfounded and monitors from then on fired full and even double charge. As for Monitor pushing Merrimac's shit in if full charge were used, yes, that would have happened as shown in the later Weehawken vs. Fingal/Atlanta battle.

2nd Monitor's guns were designed by John Dahlgren an officer/engineer/inventor who created the Navy's Bureau of Ordinance.

3rd, the burst gun accident occurred aboard USS Princeton in 1844. A politically connected captain named Stockton hired Ericcson to design an advanced screw steamer for the Navy. Ericcson also design a pivot gun for the vessel. Stockton began easing Ericcson out of the project in order to claim all the success and designed a gun for the ship which he wrongly thought was a copy of Ericcson's. It was Stockton's gun that exploded killing several people including a couple of cabinet officers. Stockton's political connections - he was from New Jersey naturally - enabled him to avoid all blame. Ericcson's design was blamed, not Stockton's incompetence, even though Stockton had failed to understand or correctly copy that design.

I have a strange request. Are there any Cold War games with a lower model count (sub 50) that uses d6s? The only thing I can think of is No End In Sight.

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For the Russian Front anon asking for it in the last thread....map and charts can be found in the VASSAL module.

For the guy asking about FoF PLA last thread...
PLA Special forces Initiative D10, confidence high, supply normal, body armour 1D, TQ/M D10/D10
No ToE for regulars, sorry

>>52075927
Maybe it was Dahlgren's bio I remember reading then. You gotta remember anon, this was a good 18-20 years ago, when I was in elementary/middle school. I do remember a whole lot more focus on cannon and cannon design than Ericsson apparently did, so this seems likely.

>>52077930

It's alright, Anon. ACW naval warfare & gaming has been my "thing" for decades now. In fact, the whole pre-dread era is my "thing". Some of us know "too much" about planes, tanks, rifles, etc. and I know "too much" about ironclads!

You're right too. Dahlgren did have one of his designs explode, but it was a smaller version, X vs Monitor's XI, and it was because the manufacturer failed to follow Dahlgren's instructions regarding cooling the bore after drilling. Because the X types were normally used as deck mounted pivots, the Navy directed that the guns from that manufacturer/batch use half charges until replaced.

It's sad but, nearly 175 years after the political whitewash job pulled to save Stockton's career after the Princeton explosion, the story is still fucking over Ericcson. Things never change.

Has anybody found a copy of the Gripping Beast Swordpoint rules? Looks very promising with it covering a huge timeframe with all the planned expansions..

>>52075927
>1st, Monitor's XI Dahlgrens were fired at half charges because the Navy was worried about the concussive effects of full charges on the men inside the turret.

To be totally fair to the Navy, Dahlgren *himself* recommended the reduced load as he wasn't sure what was absolutely needed to pierce iron plate at specific combat ranges.

>>52080580
>To be totally fair to the Navy, Dahlgren *himself* recommended the reduced load as he wasn't sure what was absolutely needed to pierce iron plate at specific combat ranges.

True, but Monitor was authorized to use full charges within weeks of the battle and the reason behind the decision to initially use half-charges were not because a Dahlgren had blown up.

Full charges were being used soon after and even double charges in some situations like Mobile.

>>52073303
>an obsolete...vehicle.

But who even MAKES F-35 minis?

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>>52080807

Not sure if Konflikt 47 talk goes in here or in /awg/ but I just got a starter set, and I can't figure out what heavy infantry's Assault Weapons do. Am I missing something super obvious or is it not in the rulebook?

Dear 1

>>52081914
It goes in /awg/ because it's not a historical wargame.

Dear 1:72 Anon, I am the one who a few months back tormented you into removing your name and to eventually stop posting your work. I shitposted you hard and made it seem like many people hated you. I am sorry and I honestly wish youd come back and contribute to these wonderful threads. I was an asshole generating drama just so the thread would stay active. I am sorry.

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Anybody got a good source on 10mm scale British flags for Napoleonics? I'm thinking Pendraken for the models themselves but they don't have any post-1801 Union Flags that I can find.

>>52081960
>>52081914

It goes in both you autist. Both threads held a strawpoll and it was overwhelmingly decided it could be discussed in either

>>52081960
>>52082013
I would say general discussion goes in /awg/ but specific rules questions are fine in here because the Bolt Action anons might now.

>>52082323
> might now.

know*, fuck I should go to bed.

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>>52082013
And yet it basically never comes up here. Strange that.

>>52081963
That's a pretty unbelievable claim.

>>52080807
GHQ does both B and C models for 1:285 scale.

>>52082461
stop shitposting

>>52081994
Could you just shrink images down and super glue printed paper?

>>52082461
Nice return shitposter-kun

>>52082472
>>52082717

>Pointing out a non-historical game goes in a different thread to the historical games one is now shitposting
>Doubting that the guy who trolled 1:72anon away has any remorse for their actions is now shitposting
>Answering a dude's question on where to get F-35 miniatures is now shitposting

Fucking hell this thread has gone to the dogs lately.

>>52083258
>>Doubting that the guy who trolled 1:72anon away has any remorse for their actions is now shitposting
Well I literally am that guy and now that hes gone I sincerely miss his stuff, I was/am a shit person but he was an awfully good force for this place and without him it feels more hollow

>>52083258
Weird War belongs here too, deal with it faggot

>>52083320
I miss 1:72anon too

>>52083417
>>52083320
>>52083320
COME BACK 1:72 ANON

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>>52083417
We all miss him

>>52083339
>>52083258
>>52082461
I never did get my answer on what heavy infantry's Assault Weapons do...

1:72 anon is probably asleep, it's 4:30am in hungary.

>>52073241

What rules are people using to refight Agincourt currently?

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>>52084987
The old standards I guess - Impetus, Field of Glory, DBM. At Salute 2015 the Lance and Longbow Society played a great-looking game using a slightly modded version of Hail Caesar.

It's a tricky one to recreate on the table, because you need to balance out the strong French position with things like the weather and the psychological element (all those impetuous knights).

Next thread is going to be 1;72 Anon edition

post ww2

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>>52086381
Just built this a few minutes ago.

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>>52081963
[pressed X for doubt]

>>52082662
Depends on the type of paper used to be honest, but I wouldn't use superglue with standard paper. Maybe with photo paper, but I'd much rather use PVA or aper glue (if it still exists, been like 15 years since I last used it).

>>52081914
In the rulebook it says they have Assault Rifles, not Assault Weapons.

>>52084181
It was 4:23 to be exact.

>>52084987
At a local show they used WAB, and it seemed pretty fun. Last year they did a smaller siege with the Hungarian army assaulting a stronghold of the HRE.

>>52086730
Oh hey 1:72 anon, I promise I am the asshole who was tormenting you. Please come back.

>>52086730
The Soviet ones say Assault Weapons. Page 185, "Dual weapon pack and Assault Weapon". The Dual Weapon Pack is obv the SMG+AT rifle combo, which leaves the claw or hammer to be the assault weapon, but I can't find any hint as to their rules

>>52086912
Page 70, assaults, " otherwise, models make one attack in handto-hand fighting. However, some weapons and some abilities grant additional attacks, in which case roll the appropriate number of dice equal to the total number of attacks generated. For example, models equipped with assault weapons gain an extra attack, so roll two dice per model so equipped. This total number of dice is then reduced by one for each pin marker on the fighting unit, to a minimum of one die"

Not sure where the original rule is described tho.

I'm drunk and thinking of what to buy.

1/3000th warships, 28mm vietnams, or other period.

convince me anons.

>>52087076
6mm Napoleonic of course

>>52087076
Buy the three Strelets Dark Age boxes from Hannants, play SAGA or any other dark age game.

please forgive me 1:72

>>52087076
Anglo-Boer war is another one I'm drunk thinking of

Them pith helmets and enfields.

>>52087088
How Does Saga play though? I was looking for a skirmish game and pretty much dismissed it because "I go you go" is pretty awful at anything other than exceptionally large sacale battles.

>>52087084
but convince me and provide me suppliers.

is TMP dead?

>>52087256
No, just down for maintenance.

>>52087158
Well, you can always tweak it and play it differently. Tomahawk Studios won't kick down your door for playint alternating activation.

>>52087158
Go for 6mm Baccus. The owner, Peter, is a very nice chap. He makes very small but very fine models. 60 Dollars gives you a very large army.

US troops used bren carriers for artillery too right, like a t-15 or something.

>>52087368
Erm, not really. They didn't have Bren carriers. Not sure what they used for towing the 57mm gun (Jeep, maybe?) tho.

>>52087394
I was referencing this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Carrier#United_States_variants

>>52087410
Those were US made, not US used.

>>52087410

Did you bother read your own link?

The T-16 was made in the US by Ford for the Lend Lease program , was used primarily by the Canadians, and never adopted by the US Army. That's why the vehicle has a "T" prefix instead of the usual "M".

>>52087500
>and never adopted by the US Army
Seems like no, they didn't use brens.

They did, however have the M6:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M6_Tractor

>>52087559
>>52087500
Also the M4 and M5 tractors. They both had M2 browning MGs on them.

Trust the US to only want to use their own MGs and tractors

I've got a few hours to kill in London.

Imperial War Museum or HMS Belfast?

>>52088364
>Imperial War Museum

That there.

>>52088364
Belfast, the IWM really needs a whole day to itself, though the same could be argued for HMS Belfast.

>>52088364
Wallace Collection

>>52088364

Belfast. While you won't be able to see all of her, you'll be able to see more of her in a few hours.

Going to the IWM with only a few hours in hand is only going to piss you off when you realize how much stuff you won't be able to see.

It's like only having one hour for the Louvre or Prado.

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>>52088702
Been too many times. Have they changed things in the last nine months?

Last time I went they only had the old catalogues out, so no accessible context for the artifacts or their use. Capwell etc. put on great talks and events, but day to day it's still a bit lacking.

>>52088401
Been there, it's awesome. So +1 on that

GOd five men at Kursk is a terrible rule set, you have a squad of 10-12 guys and only 3 of them can move/shoot a turn? May as well just run the commander with the mg team every turn what's the point of riflemen other than bogging you down in this game

>>52088364
>>52088739
I found the IWM lacking. I don't think I could spend all day there.

If you guys ever go to Brussels or Paris, the National War Museum in Brussel and the Hotel des Invalides in Paris are the two best military (and probably in general aswell) museums I have ever been to.

>>52076171
I bought this from some guy for 10 bucks, haven't got it to they table, but I'm really looking forward to it. I don't really have any hex-and-chit games not set in antiquity, so this'll be a pretty new experience

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Battlegroup is finally making it to North Africa, it seems.

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>When you pay $40 for something
>When you see that something online selling for $25 a week later

I just want too die

>>52089936
Bought the 8 men Tamiya samurai set for 15$ for my birthday.

Right after paying for them I found them for 10$ I couldn't do anything about them, so doesn't matter. I would have paid 15$ for them, and I suppose you would have paid 40$ for the items you've purchased. Don't let this affect you anon, I'm fairly sure that 15$ won't cost your life.

>>52089966
>Could have got two (2) somethings for $10 more
>Chill out Anon haha

I'll get over it Anon, just let me bitch

>>52083320
>>52083417

If you would lurk more you'd know that he posted a couple of days ago about 1/72 diecast tanks.. as anonymous ofc, but it was obvious that it was him.

>>52090121
Sure anon, feel free to bitch. We all need to let off a bit of steam sometimes.

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>>52089936
kinda like buying vidya on steam

>>52088898
You're an idiot, action dice apply to your whole squad

>>52090645
Really?

I too thought you can move 3 guys and have to make decisions on which guys to move each turn.

>>52088903
The static collections were very superficial, despite having some really interesting artifacts. The Holocaust exhibition was harrowing and reasonably in depth. The Lord Ashcroft collection of VCs was great. The Special Forces/Intelligence exhibition was quite good, with sections for the Chindits, Oman, a detailed breakdown of the Embassy Siege etc.

The 'Drones and Handicrafts' exhibition was the kind of wank that belongs in an art gallery, not a museum.

All in all a solid 7/10 for two hours of entertainment. The cafe had a surprisingly good pastrami sandwich and salad box at merely eye watering prices.

Overall comparable to the Auckland War Memorial Museum, but way below the Gallipoli exhibition I saw in Wellington.

Definitely worth a visit if you're in the area.

>>52091629
Are these Caesar minis?

>>52091674
Think they are from CP...

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>>52091674
Not certain about the standing figure but the rest are from TQD http://www.cpmodelsminiatures.co.uk/TQD%20Castings%20WWII%20Germany%20Kharkov%20Waffen%20SS.htm

>>52092079
>dat file name
Top kek, anon

>>52092102
Thanks!

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>>52092184
I was reading an AAR on Warwick Kinrade's blog and thought that picture was amusing enough to avoid

http://warwickkinrade.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/fall-of-konigsberg-game-1.html If anyone was interested.

>>52090692
That would be beyond retarded

The Slitherine published grognard games on Steam are on sale, so some of them are actually at reasonable prices now; Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm and Pike & Shot Campaigns for instance.

>>52093356
Nice. Commander: The Great War is great fun to play against a friend, although the Central Powers will get bumdiddled approximately 9 out of 10 times.

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I just bought a box of Perry Agincourt French infantry and foot knights, and I realized I have no idea how heraldry on shields and such works.
Would a man-at-arms have his lord's coat of arms on his shield? Was it standardized/were there any traditions regarding this? Does anyone know where I can read up on this?

>>52085235

Yeah I was looking at Hail Caesar, I use Black Powder for my Napoleonics and HC is supposed to go up to 1500.

I'll have a look at Fields of Glory, I've heard of them before.

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>>52085235
>It's a tricky one to recreate on the table, because you need to balance out the strong French position with things like the weather and the psychological element (all those impetuous knights).

Tricky doesn't cover the half of it. It's an attack/defence scenario where one side has nailed themselves into a position they can't leave because they'll just be outflanked and run down, the other side has to simulate a complete command and control failure in order to balance it because if the French actually get their massively outnumbering infantry force (let alone having the cavalry fight dismounted) into the fight in an orderly manner the English lose, no question about it.
So the battle is the English stuck in place unable to counter-attack, reliant on winning through attrition of high-value units.
There's not really any room for manoeuvre on the French side either due to the shape of the battlefield which means most systems will just have it be down to roll for command and morale checks whilst shuffling units forward: the game.

I honestly think that all the interesting shit about the battle happened before the bit people would wargame, namely the circumstances and decisions made that lead to baiting the French into battle in the perfect position for the standard English defensive formation of the time. There's not really much scope for altering the result without relying on blind luck, hindsight being able to over-ride the concerns of the commanders of the time, or altering the weather and terrain which effectively decided the affair which going back to the original point, yeah balancing that without turning the battle into just a different one-sided dice rolling contest is bloody difficult.

>>52093723
Not if I'm the central powers. I have yet to see myself lose as them.

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>>52093356
Cool, good to know.

In other sale news, JoAnns has canvas on sale for half off for any other Amerifats; got a piece to try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBn1aZt9H6o

>>52094109
There's a bunch of heraldry stuff in the medievals folder in the OP.

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>>52094109
>Does anyone know where I can read up on this?
As anon above has noted, check out the Medieval/Osprey and /References folders in our OP.

>>52090645
>>52090692
>>52093140
Can someone confirm the truth please??

>>52097035
>>52098258
thanks

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wip zulus bump

Death in the Dark Continent gets a new ed soon, lads.

>>52102547
That guy is holding is rifle awfully ghetto

>>52103805
He's supposed to hold a shield on his other hand, but because Esci didn't include enough shield in their kit, I'm taking shortcuts wherever I can. Plus rifle+shield will be held back for Warriors, Skirmishers only get their rifle.

>>52093356
Noice, are the games you listed the most recommended?

Fucked sale is probably going to end in a few hours if I've only just seen it, right?

>>52103958
Are they wearing red coats because of they looted them or because they are in British service.

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>>52104329
Looted.

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do anyone have some kind of "how to paint modern russians" tutorial? or at least color palette?
also, any source with lots of colorful photos would be highly appreciated.

Just learned something new. Apparently it's not too hard to repoint a broken bit for a pin vise. So if you're like me, and manage to break your moderately fine bits all the fucking time, save them if there's still any fluting left. You just need a whetstone and a little patience.

Now back to portholes.

So very, very many portholes.

>>52104004
Anon here, Commander the great war is the best of the bunch and addictive as fuck

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>>52104364
http://pdesplace.blogspot.co.nz/2016/01/modern-russian-painting-guide.html
Did you grab the recent Osprey Elite on the modern Russian Army that was uploaded a few threads back? We have one on the modern Spetsnaz too.

>>52093356
> War in the East is 50% off
> Still over £30

Jesus that game.

>>52104575
Just pirate it

>>52104575
ADVANCED TACTICS GOLD

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>>52104004
They're the ones I'd recommend most.
Not played enough of commander: the great war but what I have played of it didn't really seem all that more than a graphically better Strategic Command: WW1 Breakthrough [image related].

>>52104633
I've had so much fun playing dumb random campaigns with that game. Unfortunately if you start from low tech the AI always seems to go the same sort of way, and it spams the fuck out of factories - factory-built units basically become disposable cannon fodder compared to infantry, which sucks.

pro-tip: small commands, and lots of them, are the way to go - it slows replenishment slightly, but keeping a cap and not just having them request more HQ as you assign more and more troops means they actually gain xp and get good.

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>>52104337
And is that an albino guy on the right there?

>>52105901
Natal Native contingent, was usually lead by white men. Not the best of white men, but still.

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>>52104004
Anyone played FlashPoint Campaigns Red Storm? Looks interesting but is it suitable for someone relatively new to hex & chit style gaming or do you need to be a truly salty old grog ala war in the east?

Are there any good african paratrooper or the like minis around? And also, are there any good 60s-70s submachinegunners to be had? I was thinking about just using WW II marine bodies and making them all Roland's Disciples, but more selection would be nice.
I want to do some minis for a merc:2000-based game and I want to convert some minis for some really good african operators for use as NPCs and/or PCs
Any ideas?
1/72 scale in particular is what I'm after but I could be persuaded to take 28mm

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>>52105964
It's suitable; the gameplay thankfully isn't micromanaging but tactical planning, issuing orders in limited amounts and hoping that everything works out at least partly. And then trying to deal with the shit that happens.
It's certainly an interesting game experience since you really have to think ahead rather than try and react as things happen due to the delay in both issuing and units responding to orders.

>>52106203
Well, WW2 marines sound nice, and you'd have access to some Grease Guns as well. Also, Ultima Ratio just released some Chindits, they are in slouch hats, and mostly beared (can work with a headswap), one of them has an Owen SMG I think. If you can put your hands on the Esci NATO troops set, it has a nice French SMG armed dood, plus some Italians too. Its sister set, the Warsaw Pact troops has some tankmen armed with Skorpio SMGs.

Also, check various metal manufacturers too - Elhiem, Under Fire, etc. Hope I could help.

>>52106203
I've made Cold War 60-70s era African Mercs using plastic WWII 28mm British and US Marine kits. Combine with some Chindits and FALs and other weapons available from The Assault Group.

I don't know how you'd really do it in 20mm though. Convert some 20mm RAR that are quite popular?

>>52106203
I completely forgot who, but somebody makes a vietnam SOG kit that'd be perfect for mercs. I think there's also a rhodie kit with some maximum 70s black operators that'd be perfect if you can find it
Anyone know which ones I'm talking about?

>>52106575
Under fire miniatures?

>>52107316
Yes! That's the one
I thought they came in bigger sets than the small packs on the website, but it's probably just that the guys I saw with them just ordered a bunch at once

>>52105964
its relatively easy compared to War in the East. there are some subtilties that take a bit of getting used to-mostly that issuing commands is limited to command rating-NATO has a lot and can continually tweak and modify their plans Soviets have crap and best plan everything out at the beginning of the scenario because you sure as shit dont get enough to deal with big changes half way through a scenario.

so basically the soviets have to do a lot of deep planning at the beginning of the scenario and pray they get things right because they cant react well to sudden shifts. NATO can continually update and shift their units

also, it takes time for orders to get to units and for them to react-so you can issue an order to a company and it may take an hour for the order to get there and then 20 minutes for the company to react and then actually DO the command.

combat is pretty brutal. once had a soviet mech battalion disappear to a vehicle in less than 20 minutes when they got caught by a couple platoons of M1s

mimics real world command and control structure pretty well. and the units will do their orders the way they want to.

you play the part of the force commander and your sub units make decisions on their own on HOW to commit your orders.

in that regard its a pretty fun game. got some pretty good scenarios in it.

avoid the DLC though-scenarios in it are fucking crap. played one scenario in it where i was playing west germans and on a lark I set the units up and let the game run without ordering a single unit and managed to get a major victory against the soviets.

without issuing a single order.......

but overall-as anon said here >>52106246 its an interesting gaming experience

>>52106285
>>52106370
>>52106575
>>52107316
>>52107719
That's very helpful, thanks a bunch lads
While we're at it, are there any appropriately mix-and-matchable germans that would work well with those minis? I'd like to throw some mausers and especially schmeissers into the mix

>>52108018
Get one of the Caesar assembly series kits.

What's a good system for playing modern (80s to present) skirmish level games in 1/72?

I have a couple friends who are into the minis but have only tried playing with a homebrew 40k knock-off

>>52108201
Spectre Operations

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>>52107961
>avoid the DLC though-scenarios in it are fucking crap.

Can agree to this. There's a couple of battles in it that might be worth it but most are just shit because they failed to take into account that what worked in their original game doesn't automatically work in their massively improved successor, and that fuck all people are nostalgic for their original game at that.

Now the sequel that's still in the works, that looks promising.

>>52108201
How big do you mean by 'skirmish'? Because everyone apparently has their own definition.

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>>52102547
>Death in the Dark Continent gets a new ed soon, lads.

HYPED.

>>52108522
I would also like a reprint of Triumph and Tragedy.

There is a conversion of Muskets and Tomahawks for Africa on a lads blog that is pretty good.

>>52108264
Less than 100 troops per side, plus 0-to-6 vehicles? Something in that ballpark, at least for starting out.

>>52108945
That's an incredibly generous (read: fuckhuge) interpretation of what counts as a skirmish game.

Does anybody have a link to the imgur collection of past community projects that one helpful anon was keeping for us?

>>52108971
Fine--my only tabletop minis experience is with X-wing and 40k. So I'm looking for rules to handle multiple squads of infantry, plus vehicles--whatever the best term for that is.

>>52109151
Then either Spectre or Force on Force...possibly Ambush Alley.

>>52109151
No End in Sight or Force on Force. If you want asymmetrical stuff (rebels vs gov forces) look at Ambush Alley.

trying to get into some meaty gaming, but it appears that the tail wags the dog when it comes to anything remotely historical: people seem less concerned about the game and more about the setting.

Is there something close to KoW but supporting the black powder era? I know I can use Halfling/Conquistadors to represent muskets and rifles but that just feels wrong.

>>52109853
>Is there something close to KoW but supporting the black powder era?
pike and schotte? by warlord games. The warlord stuff is game first historical second afaik.

Where's a good place to buy terrain suited for WW2 28mm scale stuff? My group is getting into Bolt Action and I want some more terrain, but Warlord's stuff is pretty expensive for what it is.

>>52110151
Warbases does some affordable buildings in 28mm scale.

With a bit of work they can look pretty great.

>>52109853
>>52110071
Black Powder is the other Warlord game for black powder. It covers the horse and musket period. I'm not sure if it's close enough to KoW.

Black Powder is designed for players with big collections who want to use that collection while completing the game in a reasonable time frame. So it plays better if you have enough models for multiple brigades. It's roll to activate command and control mechanic can also be very frustrating to someone not used to that sort of game.

Still it's the most popular game at my club and the only one we use for the period so I can't come up with any alternatives. The ones we used to play were even worse.

>>52110366
>>52110071

Haven't tried any Warlord game so far, have links to any video batreps? The systems seem relatively similar.

I've been looking at Lasalle for Napoleonic and the lack of traditional statlines and a funky turn order is really throwing me for a loop so I'm open to suggestion.

>>52110400
Sam Mustafa makes excellent games. LaSalle, Blucher and (to a lesser, more autistic, extent) GA are all fantastic.

>>52108201

I use Disposable Heroes with their contemporary expansion, but be warned that the vehicle rules gets insane.

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>>52106203
what would y'all think about comissioing/crowdsourcing some 60s/70s mercs from Elhiem? He charges IIRC 20 GBP for a custom sculpt. If a bunch of people chipped in that could create enough for a useful range. They would key into his existing africa line too so maybe he'd be open to a discount or something

>>52112329
>He charges IIRC 20 GBP for a custom sculpt
Different anon, but bloody hell that sounds like an absurdly good deal. What are the specifics/limitations on that sort of thing?

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>Go to craft store to get supplies for terrain
>Clerk asks what I'm making

Do you lie and make something up (what I did) or do you tell the clerk you're a grown-ass man playing with toy soldiers?

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>>52114087
http://www.guildwargamers.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=314&t=25127

>>52112329

What game is that map from?

>>52114606
Are toy soldiers more embarrassing than trains or dioramas? Pick least embarrassing response, which is probably diorama.

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>>52114655
Game called "Biafra!"

>>52115069

Thanks Anon, I'll look it up. That genre is right in my wheelhouse of late.

>>52115069
>Roland
Mah nigga. May Warren ever smile upon you.

>>52115069

You magnificent bastard. I just dug out the tune on my iPod.

>>52114606
>>52114776

>>So much of a snowflake that a stranger's opinions effect you.

>>52114606
Most people find it quite interesting when you say "I play historical wargames". Its unusual and to the common person probably sounds incredibly advanced and intellectual.

You dont have to say you play with toy soldiers, just say you study historical battles and recreate them on the tabletop, or some other eloquent description.
It only sounds childish if you describe it childishly.

what do you lads think of pike and shotte on steam?

>>52116650

Good game.
The only faults (IMHO) are square-based movement & simplistic siege mechanics.

>>52116650
Pike&Shot: Campaigns I assume you mean?

Didn't get on with it. Lots of niggling little problems with the game itself in terms of the interface (not giving clear indicators of troops that are routing was something really bugging me), the musket noises sound like a low quality SMG burst, the rules system itself had peculiar stuff like infantry not being able to engage cavalry that's already engaged (could swear blind that I've read of multiple accounts of exactly that happening during the era, even if it just lead to the cavalry fleeing rapidly), and overall it just lacked any element I found particularly 'fun'. Since I found out that it is heavily based on Field of Glory, no bloody wonder why that's the case.

I can see why many might like it, and there's not exactly any competition, especially for the time period unless you want to dig out mods for Medieval total war 1&2 (and you're not going to get an AI that even tries to behave historically there due to the engine) But it could really do with a big coat of polish because it lacks the involvement that is had when playing a game on tabletop, and as such I find it desperately in need of additional character to all the numbers it throws out.

If you get it, get a sounds mod at the very least. Whoever decided to make the most common combat noise in the game sound utterly nothing like an actual musket volley (and I've heard more than a few in my time) needs a swift boot to the arse. Seriously, I should not have to complain about that.

>>52114606
>playing with toy soldiers
>not saying historical wargames
Anon, I...

>>52114606
you can just say you are building a model. nothing embarrassing about that.

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BMP's retarded cousin

>>52119887

Funny, I thought you'd post a bradley in that case

>>52114606
The dude works in a craft store, he'd probably just say 'oh, cool'.

>>52120353
Worst case scenrio: he'd be interested.

Our local "craft store guy" started wargaming recently and he does some pretty impressive tables.

>>52114606
"Terrain."

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>people worried about being asked about what they're buying

I find this confusing given we're not teens and it's not condoms/lube.

>>52110151
What kind of terrain?

A mat?
Stuff like hedges, walls or bomb craters?
Houses? Ruins?

Check TTCombat for cheap mdf buildings. Once painted, they look great.
For hedges you are best off if you do them yourself. Check video related for a quick tutorial (in german though, but you will be able to get how they do it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwLotZt0pDI


Same with walls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXpTTjROYoY

(That being said, the (italeri) walls set warlord sells is pretty nice and for that price you get enough walls for your entire game table.)


And streets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWy-ou7UVvE

(there are plenty more suitable videos on these 2 channels, and everything is super easy to do by yourself.)

>>52112329
I'd be more interested in minis for Syria.

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>>52122630
There are already a lot of generic ME insurget figures by various mfg tho

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>>52122693
Insurgents yes, but no suitable minis for governmental troops. Its either 80s generic ME/arab army or ultra modern russian/nato soldiers, but they need to be exactly in between that. A somewhat irregular look, with (at least partialy) ultra modern russian gear but no face masks like most of the insurgent ranges have.

From your pic, mabye 3 or 4 guys could be painted as army, so the existing ranges are lacking in that regard.

>>52111525
I have printed some flags to stick to MDF bases to represent Lasalle units and I think I'll give that a shot before I invest in any miniatures. I think it could be super fun.

As for games in general, I don't have a particular allegiance to a time period or style so it's really down to gameplay and so on. I've checked out Black Powder (and subsequently Pike and Shotte and Hail Caesar) and they seem to have that interesting 'friction' of not being able to do all things at all times - but I'm not sure if they're not divergent ENOUGH from something like Kings of War. (it seems realistically the only differences are the command rolls and formation changes)

>>52122575
this looks great what system? pike and shotte?

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>>52122742
oh gotcha. Elhiem does have some stopgap syrians and some generic middle eastern figures that might help you. Probably not quite what you're after though

https://www.elhiem.co.uk/ourshop/cat_815885-Generic-Middle-East.html
https://www.elhiem.co.uk/ourshop/cat_815888-Syrian-Army.html

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>>52123144
I know these. Not bad (obvioulsy, since they are from Elhiem) and certainly useable, but i would prefer to have at least a couple of more specific squads in such a force.

Same with the Rebels btw, Some of their groups (not only IS) have the hottest shit when it comes to equipment and gear. If it werent for their masks and patches you'd think these are western top tier operators when in fact they are some jihadist-mercs from chechnya fighting/training others for the highest bidder.

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>>52123039
In that instance, yes.
Sauce is: http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.nz/search/label/Italian%20Wars

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Anyone know what these linear features west of Volgograd are? Are they earthworks from WW2 or something else?

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>>52123744
I don't see any features conforming to that on this german map I found. You can stand on the corner of part of it with street view and it seems to be just a bunch of strategically planted trees. By that I mean they are planted in straight rows that run for miles. If they are indeed earthworks they are utterly MASSIVE and I've no idea what they would have been used for. If you go further west you can actually see trench works, machine gun nests and artillery pits all over the area. Pretty neat.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Volgograd,+Volgograd+Oblast,+Russia/@48.7256062,43.894982,1247m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x41053375b85b7667:0x880d179cce57da41!8m2!3d48.708048!4d44.5133034?hl=en

>>52124595
Maybe they build those fortifications after they won the battle of stalingrad?
They had to expect a german counter attack and wanted to be better prepared and keep them out of the city i suppose.

>>52124595
>>52123744
>>52124635
Or maybe it's a line of trees to break the incoming wind?

>>52124635
Yea but the features in the OP, are over a half a mile wide I'm inclined to believe its either a windbreak, or some form of farming.

>>52124688
Exactly.

I don't like Nazis

>>52124834
that makes you a good person

>>52124834
I have this problem where I think Wehrmacht dudes look super fucking cool, but I'm not huge on Nazis either, so I'm bending over backwards to build a German WW2 army that isn't actually German. Current plan being Estonians.

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>>52125539
It merely makes him not a nazi.

Plenty of terrible people have despised the nazis.

>>52127617
How about this:
German =/= Nazi
See: Captain Langsdorff, just off the top of my head.
Otto Carius' account also has shit like an infantry NCO who belonged to the socialist party.
You don't have to condone national socialism to enjoy german shit, don't be an idiot.

>>52124834
Play germans in WW1 then

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>>52114606
>Ask qt girl at the store where the super glue is
>What are you gluing?

>>52114606
>Doesn't share his love for miniatures at every opportunity.
Most people think they're pretty neat. If you build terrain/dioramas/whatever on top of that people will be really interested.

I'm building a mountain terrain pieces with lil magnets so it has a smol cave system and my girl friends literally cream themselves when I show it to them.

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have we seen pics of this yet?

looks like 6mm to me....anyone else think its something different?

https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?products_id=3637&osCsid=35vgp4lndqfaogjkhhv3nlc8v2


>>52127617
german without being germans-Finns or Hungarians then

>>52124834
I used a psychic medium to contact the Nazis. They don't like you either. They're gonna haunt your ass.

>>52127617
this
>>52128011
don't be an idiot.

>>52128598
it's 8mm

>>52128598
Last thread (maybe two threads ago) someone said that they were 10mm but I could be mistaken.

Does anyone have scans of 2nd/3rd/5th Fleet? The ones from Victory? I've 6th and 7th Fleet, but am looking for the others.

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>>52128598
>>52129138

It's 8mm.

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Whipped this up a few days ago, just to play with the family. Essentially an incredibly simple Wings of War, but with each player drawing their move on a piece of paper (using one of those stacks of small square office memo papers) instead of using cards.

Turned out to be a lot of fun and easy to play for 2 - 4 players.

I'll type up the rules and post them here when I finish - still need to take some example photos and my camera is away on holiday for a few more days.

Its cool to finally make a "1 page" family friendly game after all these serious historical wargames with 50 - 60 pages of dense rules.

>>52128598
>>52129264
>>52128712
This.
Dude at my local ordered a copy so I guess I'll get to try it when it comes out. Been thinking of designing something like it of my own to make use of a random selection of figures. Probably will never happen though due to distractions. But those things gotta be easier to paint up than those 1:72 Zvezda samurai (still looking at the yari ashigaru horde from the Samurai Battles box and despairing of painting them).

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>>52129224
ive got 2nd and 7th in my media

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pwb3nb887a39m/VG_Fleet

>>52128712
>>52129264
isnt that a bit of an odd size?

>>52129977
>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pwb3nb887a39m/VG_Fleet
You are an amazing person, ASLanon.

>>52129977

You're my hero, ASLanon.

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>>52129264
>8mm
Why tho?

>>52129977
>isn't that a bit of an odd size?

Yes, yes it is. But I suspect they had some reason for it, perhaps it just fit the board size best in a wanting a specific number of figures in a certain grid square way.

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Just finished a game of Naval War. This time it was a nighttime convoy mission in the Java Sea. Look for a batrep sometime on Monday, after I've had time to type it up.

What's everyone's opinion of points values in historicals? I'm not a huge fan overall, but I can see why people like them. I much prefer custom scenarios.

>>52131789
Depends how they are made. I know some games that use them to reflect the rarity of some units or formations as well as the "powerlevel". The combat mission games use them well: points for mainline units and veterancy etc. and a rarity point system for exotic stuff eg. Sturmtigers and Jumbos. But i tend to ignore these when i just NEED an evil nazi wunderwaffe to defeat or spice up a scenario ;D

>>52131789
Very useful tool for scenario design, especially when new to the system and thus lacking the knowledge of how the various interactions work. As long as the system at least somewhat works. I've found that people are often incredibly bad at judging what constitutes a 'balanced' force, or even a reasonable composition for historical accuracy without the guiding hand of an army list and points.

And I've found a lot of people that dismiss them out of hand have generally played the same game since forever/have a very casual gaming environment with plenty of time and options, so simply lack the perspective of those for which they're incredibly useful. Because 'I'll just grab my army, you grab yours' is a really shit guide to appropriate forces for people who don't have an army, don't know what one should or even could look like (particularly when the other's army is already huge from years of collecting) and have no/very limited experience and knowledge of the game/era. That attitude in particular is something I've seen far too much, though thankfully entirely online rather than with my regulars.

>>52131789
>What's everyone's opinion of points values in historicals?

They're both good and bad.

On the plus side, they make setting up scenarios and their victory requirements all but automatic. Agree on points, select your units, and start to play.

On the minus side, they make ahistorical, min-max, douchebaggery all but automatic too. You see posts in these threads all the time with some anon asking just how far they can "push" published army lists: i.e. I'm playing late war Germans because TO&Es are so mixed up at that point I can argue for the presence of any troop type, vehicle, etc.

A similar issue occurs in DBM with anons who insist on playing "all cavalry" armies. Yeah, they're in the army lists, but any game involving them becomes a snooze fest as the "mixed" army simply hunkers down waiting for the other side to attack.

Historically based scenarios require both RESEARCH and WORK. You need to research what historical forces and conditions are plausible. You then have to work at balancing the scenario because, very often, your initial version's victory conditions may not be balanced as you first thought.

>>52127617
Funnily enough, the european volunteers within the german ranks are more likely to be motivated by real nazi ideology/facism/antisemitism than the actual german soldiers who were conscripted for the most part.

>>52114606
Long time ago when I was in the Navy the qt at the register asked if I was a painter because I was buying a couple brushes at the Exchange. I kind of lied and told her I paint in my free time and she seemed pretty impressed that a sailor pursued art in his free time.

Now I shamelessly pick out fake plants at the craft store for my basing while old ladies give strange looks. Also the craft store is the only place that sells Testors Dull Cote for some reason.

>>52127617
But I guess you don't have any problem playing Soviets, eh?

>>52127617
Just play as Volkssturm then. Old men and children fighting a desperate fight so that their wives, daughters, and mothers don't get gang raped by Soviets. Also probably committed relatively few war crimes.

>>52133719
>muh alt-right agenda

youre not welcome here fascist

>>52134155
you are neither

>>52134155
Yes, Soviets killing and raping through my country then occupying it for 50 years is alt-right agenda.

Fuck off.

>>52128148
my fingers, probly :)

>>52134167
>defending nazi germany

>>52134184
>implying Germany was the only country affected

Great job there. At least try to act like you're in a historical topic and not a neverending /pol/hugbox circlejerk.

>>52134184
Those 13 year old Hitler Youth deserved to get sodomized by Russians for being indoctrinated into fascism,

if you agree with nazi ideology at all youre a bad person

>>52134229
Shitposter-kun pls go

>>52134229
if you care about ideologies from the 30s in 2017 you are just dumb.

>>52134241
Whats wrong with that statement though? Being a nazi means being a bad person...

>>52131789
>>52132264
This. If your scenario is a well-documented battle, you know what the forces were, and the expected outcome that the players are hoping to achieve or better. All other scenarios are easier to construct with points.
Also, points =/= balanced forces in a set-piece battle on an empty plain.

>>52134261
Oskar Schindler was a nazi too.

They world is not as black and white as you like to paint it.

>>52134277
If you agree with systematic genocide and racial supremacy at all youre a bad person, regardless of other achievements

>>52134299
see >>52134246

>>52134305
then stop defending genocide

>>52134309
like the one the soviets did in ukraine?

>>52134313
I never defended soviet genocide, theres just a lot of nazi sympathising around here

>>52134331
nah, you are just butthurt about nazis for some reason

Finally tracked down my local Bolt Action scene and I'm meeting up with them tomorrow. Hopefully I'll be able to get a 500 point game in with my DAK. Any tips before I play for the first ?

>>52134343
maybe because they were a racist regim who commited horrendous acts and people these days act like nazi ideology is cool under the alt right

>>52134348
remind them theyre playing a shit game

>>52134348
not really. just keep it friendly and tell the guy that its your first game.

If he is not an asshole he will correct your mistakes and explain stuff to you instead of just wiping you off the table with an evil smile.

>>52134350
>maybe
No maybe, you are. You see way more into this than it really is.

Also alt-right? CIA pls go, this is not /his/

>>52134350
>alt right

literally who gives a shit?
This thread is populated by 99% europeans you dumb fuck. keep your american /pol/-meme shit where its relevant.

Protipp: Its not relevant in europe and certainly not in here

>>52134382
Now he's gonna call everyone a cuck or Eurocunt or something inbetween.

>>52134382
>>52134395
>implying nazism isnt popular in poland atm

>>52134422
>poland

nobody cares either.

>>52134430
I bet youre racist

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>>52134444
totally. i also play germans in ww2 games and even own a hitler miniature.

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>>52134422

>>52134465
scale?

>>52134519
15, 20 and 28 like a proper herrenmensch

>>52134540
how can one figure be three differet scales...

>>52134587
oh, i thought you were talking about the germans in general. The Hitler mini is by Black Tree Design and 28mm. (Not really a good sculpt though)

Where's a good place to buy bunkers for WW2 28mm gaming?

>>52134686
You mean NAZI bunkers you racist fascist scum?!

Probably scratchbuilding from foamcore, no plastic bunkers so far and resin would be fucking expensive.

>>52134696
Eugh. I hate working with foamcore, but you're probably right.

>>52134382
>99% europeans
There's at least 2 NZers here... out of 88 posters. And I'm sure there's at least 1 from the US, if not more like 20.
It would be quite interesting to know what countries we're all from, I think we'd all be surprised and there would be people from all over the world - obviously mostly countries that speak or teach English to a high degree.

>>52135026
we had polls like this a while ago and while 99% might be exaggerated, its still the big majority.

>>52135026
at least 3 US dudes.

>>52134686
>>52134712
If you can be bothered with it The Terrain Tutor recently released a video on how to make it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtK5Iu-_x2o

>>52128598
I'm pretty interested honestly, it'll be nice to have something I can quickly put in a bag and take to a mate's house for quick-n-easy manfights.

>>52129977
>>52131006
>>52131021
From Facebook:

> The size is 8mm. We toyed with 6mm but found them too small and 10mm were too big to fit with the terrain and scenery and so plumped for something in the middle.

>>52136188

Weird reasons. Other miniature companies have been able to make 6mm work for them? Are they not skilled enough?

I don't really see their choice for 8mm being good.

>>52136552
Perhaps they made the board first with potability being the most important part of the design and had the minis work around that?

>>52136830
Yeah sounds like the scale is "whatever fits the packaging" as seen in toy/matchbox cars

>>52136552
>>52136830
>>52137001
It's literally this - they picked a board size, then a square size, then decided how many figures of which size would look best. 10mm might have been a touch too big, but since it's a game in a box there's no desperate need to stick to 6mm as a standard.

>>52086557

Too bad this joke went unnoticed.

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>>52116009

>I play historical wargames
>wargames
>games

That is not the case, especially for women.
Let me tell you about an incident that has happpened to me.

I was talking with a girl who was semi-interested in a friend of mine. She asks my job , i reply it by saying that i am an attorney. She is visibly interested and suprised. The conversation continues and the subject arrives at the hobby part. I tell he i like making scale models and playing historical wargames. The look on her face when she hears those phrases play and game is quiet discernible in the fact that amount of respect she held for me has vanished.
So, never again.

>>52137820
She sounded awfully superficial. Especially since the part about you being attorney caught her attention ($$$)

>>52137820
She was a thot anyway, anon.

>>52137820
If I may present an interesting counter point, fuck her then plenty of nicer fish in the sea.

>>52140266
>Damn it Ivan, those are not of boating!

I'm thinking of starting a small Armee de Conde but uniform information seems a nightmare- I've got the two Ospreys that have some of the uniforms after they were taken into British service, but is there somewhere else I should be looking? Standards seem the hardest to track down

What's the best source for inexpensive cold war era terrain in 15mm?

>>52114606
I unapologetically will say they're for historical wargames, and I usually buy my art supplies at the college store or Walmart/Lowe's. I don't always say tabletop wargames right off the bat, I'll normally use more generic terms that they'd be more familiar with first. If they show interest or ask more questions then I'll actually explain in more detail what wargaming is.

>Yeah I build and paint historical models. You know, tanks, planes, that kind of thing.
>Yeah nice thing is they don't have to sit on a shelf either, you can play games with them, think Risk but cranked up to 11 where instead of just rolling a couple of dice for the battles you actually move the pieces around on a battlefield with terrain.

The "risk cranked up to 11"/"risk on crack" seems to work pretty well at conveying it to the average Joe and usually catches their interest, at least enough to ask a couple questions. Apparently the description "Risk but actually fun" rings true with a lot of people besides just me.

>>52141376
>inexpensive
>15mm
Pick one. Hit up some MDF makers and ask them. Dispudent Mortal did something I think.

>>52141376
Warbases does 15mm era WW2 buildings, so depending where in the world you are, that should work.

>>52141376
4Ground maybe? Depends on your threshold for 'inexpensive'

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>>52141499
Do 4Ground even do anything that isn't for 28mm?

>>52141376
Give us a definition of locality please because cold war terrain could be anything from Korea to Vietnam to many different kinds of African and South American terrain over to the Middle east to Europe in it's entirety to my hairy arse exposed in moonlight. It was kinda a global event spread across several decades after all. The cold war that is.

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>>52141946
>Do 4Ground even do anything that isn't for 28mm?

Loads

>>52141995
Neat, I've only ever seen (and built) 28mm stuff from them. Always been impressed by the increasing quality of releases.
Never been happy with leaving them as-is though, they do make a great framework to add more personal detailing on (or at least painting all the exposed edges to match and painting on more wear&tear). Bloody solid things too for the most part.

>>52137820
>The look on her face when she hears those phrases play and game is quiet discernible in the fact that amount of respect she held for me has vanished.

So, she was interested when she learned you make a lot of money and then disappointed when she learned you spend it things other than women? And you find that surprising and/or disappointing?

>So, never again.

Whether she finds out on the 1st date or 101st date, her response will be the same. The vast majority of women are subconsciously hypergamous and you only exist to provide them with resources. It's better you learn that sooner than later.

>>52137820
>i like making scale models
and thats where you fucked up. kek

"models" are for geeks and nerds and eric clapton. Historical Wargames are for 60s gentlemen in tweed jackets. Leave out the scale models mart next time and just explain you refight historical battles on the tabletop, talk about tactics, units, and elegant game systems if they need more detail.

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>>52142277

That was not a date, she was half heartedly interested in a friend of mine and we only met due to a sudden occurence where my friend(being weak to womens influence) had to pick her up on the way where he was supposed to meet me for a lunch.

>>52142362

What i have spoken was alien language for her, the only parts she understood was play and games. I assure you of that.

>>52142277
t.someone single forever

>>52142529
>That was not a date

All the better for you. Believe me, the sooner you learn and accept the true nature of women, the better your life will be. "Hiding" the fact that you play wargames isn't going to work because she's eventually going to find out.

It's much better if you know she's cool with it from the first. That way she can't pull the guilt card on you for "hiding" something, not that she won't try anyway.

>>52142634
>t.someone single forever

I'm a married grandfather in my mid-50s. How about you?

I've stayed more or less happily married for 25+ years now and have so far avoided divorce because accept what women are and act accordingly.

>>52142804
Guess Ive just been around good women then, most I know dont like it when men pay for them or throw around their money

>>52141946
>Give us a definition of locality

In hindsight that might have helped but I'm looking for eastern European stuff around the mid to late 80s.

>>52143100
Here's a free papercraft house based on the Arma video game. Just scale it to print at 1/100 instead of 1/72
http://www.britrex.com/modely_zdarma/chata/chata.html

>>52143100
Eastern Europe is harder than I thought; most stuff I know is western, specifically German, for obvious reasons. WW2 terrain that would also fit fine is also very German/French in style.

What do you fellas think of the Battlegroup rules in comparison to the two big names, Bolt Action and Flames of War? and I guess Chain of Command too.

We're almost dead someone make a new thread