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On a scale of one to Trump, how are you guys feeling about the CID Cephalyx and our Dread Rot overlords?

>>52062553
CID Cephalyx?

>>52062582
Sorry, wrong temporary faction on the brain. Allow me to rephrase:

On a scale of one to Trump, how are you guys feeling about the CID Grymkin and our Dread Rot overlords?

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>>52062606
> MFW only reason Grymkin were included and Infernals/Zu were passed up in the game was to appeal to the Malifaux audience.
> MFW I have a hard time blaming PP for this since it makes good business sense.

I hate Grymkin thematically so much, but money-wise I honestly can't blame PP. Makes me feel conflicted that an entire faction was wasted on these silly models.

>>52062685
Seriously, they could have been a Minions subfaction like the Cephalyx.

>>52062826
>>52062685

In fairness, Zu would be fine as a Minions pact and the IKRPG fluff paints Infernals as beyond the abilities of current Warnouns.
Wonder if Orgoth could have been a thing.

>>52062935
I think the Orgoth should rest as a fluff ancient nemesis. If they brought them back they would probably be too similar to Skorne with some Cryx flavor.

>>52062685
I can blame them. I think they made a mistake with this goofy joke faction that they should seriously consider in the future. Even if they were committed to doing grymkin as a faction, the individual model concepts should have gotten a great deal more attention before release.

I'm going to play the crap out of Grymkin, with proxy models. I think their rules are pretty interesting, and I want to be a part of the CID process, which I think will be vital to the future health of the game.

But on principle, I'm not buying the models. Not even the ones that I think are actually pretty cool (like the Rattler). I may only have my one wallet to vote with, but I plan to use it.

>>52062685
I...I like the grymkin :(
Though I am also a Malifaux player so maybe your on to something.

>>52062935
>IKRPG fluff paints Infernals as beyond the abilities of current Warnouns
Yes and no. The full force of Infernals working behind the scenes are probably beyond any mortal power (assuming they could manifest on Caen). But there are all different ranks of Infernals. PC's in the IKRPG could face down the weakest ones. They could have painted the Infernal Faction as some sort of expeditionary force or rising sub-faction for the purposes of making them a plausible foe.

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>>52062262

> Cygnar are shooty and jack-of-all-trades
> Khador are raw stats and unsubtle
> Cryx are glass cannons who play dirty
> Protectorate are stacking buffs and denial

What is Scyrah's 'thing'? As a complete novice, I've heard conflicting reports about them and other than being filthy knife-ears, I can't get a coherent image.
Are they well-rounded jacks of everything, or super specialised?
Are they a Jackspam or infantry faction?
Are their Warcasters supposed to be a backpiece or central player?

>>52063973
You've gotten a mixed idea because Retribution is probably the most generalist faction. They have the most usable models in the game, I think, and can cover all bases. Jackspam, good shooting, good melee, even good magic attacks. It just depends on how you make the list.

>>52063973
In terms of gameplay, Retribution are fairly generalist, but do have some defining traits. They probably get compared most often to Cygnar, with whom they share some general design trends.

First, while they can do everything (or more precisely, can be built to do anything), Ret tends toward being shooting heavy. They have a lot of really good shooting units, most of their casters can buff shooting, and almost all their jacks come with guns. Some of the scariest shooting lists in the game's history have been Retribution lists.

Second thing is they tend to be fairly elite (like elves in every setting ever). They have a couple cheap-ish units, but on average their stuff tends toward the high-quality-but-expensive end of the spectrum.

>>52064234
Eh... I'm not sure I'd say they're the most generalist, if such a thing existed. They've got a lot of qualities that stand out among their (reasonably commonly played) lists:

- Heavily biased towards "elite" jacks with good (magic) guns, magic being notable as it gets by a lot of anti-shooting tech

- Dawnguard Sentinels are found in most lists -- single-wound infantry weapon masters that can get good ARM vs. shooting

- Defensive or dice skew feats are common

They probably have the highest proportion of playable models of any faction, although I think Protectorate has more total playable models. You can build them just about anyway you want.

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Scenario: Linebreaker, Cryx won the die roll and gave Khador turn 1.

Who wants to make guesses how the game went solely on the lists?

>>52065000
I'd give it to Cryx because Feedback.

>>52065000
The Khador dude has two sources of anti spell tech, so my guess goes to Khador although Gaspies feat should clear most of the infantry

>>52065000
lol
>16 points of solos
>cries about getting smashed by Cryx tryx

>>52062606
I think dread rots are overhyped. You don't see people wrecking everything with Irusk2 + 50 dudes or Thexus + 60 dudes, do you? I imagine there's a reason for it.

I like the faction though. It has it's won things going that work.

>>52065000
Assassination top of 2 because Cryx is still broken as shit when you take the specific models that has been taken?

>>52065451
That's because Irusk2 and Thexus can't bring 50x PS14 weaponmasters with tough, with two units being PS17. Very few lists can casually deal with that much shit.

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>>52063072

>>52065451
and thexus with 60 dudes was a thing for a while though I am not sure now considering celphalex arnt that common

>>52065536
I thought they were POW 10

>>52065632
Yeah but there's a bunch of shit in Grymkin that can buff your damage output when it dies, then the Heretic has Fury.

>>52065000
Go cryx!
Khador will win though if Orin stays alive.

>>52065650
There is, but it's only for that one round, plus your opponent has to kill them on the turn before you commit. If they get sniped out early or ignored it's not really useful. The prey trump card is pretty easy to get off though.

>>52065713
Even then, sheer volume of dice will ensure that they get work done at PS10. 4d6-9 against a Titan Gladiator will either outright kill it with a handful of throwaway trash dudes, or put so much damage on it that a stiff breeze will end it, such as Longfellow and his Black Penny.

So at first glance having to play the arcana cards in reaction to things allows casters with denial feats/spells much greater play against them

>>52065506
>>52065709
>>52065224
>>52065233
*turn 1 runs*

The Khador player blew the Cryx objective (Fuel Cache) up turn 2 with Behemoth+Snipers and aggressively advanced forward. The Khador Objective (Bunker) as conveniently placed behind an obstruction, so Butcher was able to safely camp behind it and the Kodiak Clouds to safely. The Kayazy ran into the units of Satyxis and Thralls to tie them up.

The Cryx player managed to cast parasite and deal a lot of damage with a few Satyxis and the Leviathan to Kodiak1, but was unable to deal with 2 of the 4 Kayazy tying up his stuff (Butcher was able to use focus to prevent any damage from feedback). The Kraken shot a minor amount of damage into the second Kodiak and Gaspy took cover behind an obstruction next to the Kraken (a mistake as seen later).

Khador turn 3, the Kayazy cleared out two Gunslingers and the other killed the Seawitch. Eiryss advanced forward and disrupted the Arc-node (for pretty much for the rest of the game.) The Kodiak1 farted 4 Satyxis away (which also blocked LOS to Eiryss due to positioning) and Ruin killed another one. Behemoth and the Marksman shot the Kraken for damage and the Kodiak charged it, taking out it's left side.

Cryx turn 3, the remaining Satyxis and the Leviathan destroyed Kodiak1 and dealt a point of damage to Butcher. The Kranken failed to get rid of Kodiak2, leaving it with two movement boxes and two right arm boxes. The Thralls ran to tie up Butcher and the marksman, while the last Gunslinger got lucky and took out a Kayazy. The Pistol Wraith missed the other.

Turn 4, Butcher flashed the Thralls and feated defensively. Kodiak2 and Behemoth crippled the Kraken again (it got repaired by the Necrotech every turn). Ruin and the Kayazy got rid of the last Satyxis.

After that, Gaspy was in a really bad spot because Kodiak2's cloud and Krakens's base blocked him off. So he cast Scything Touch and tried to kill Butcher, which didn't work out, resulting in a Khador victory.

>>52065821
Any idea how I can make a map to showcase where the models and terrain where? I forgot to take pics.

>>52065821
When did the Cryx player feat? never?

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In the style of the Anon further above, see if you can guess how this game went. The scenario was Entrenched.

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>>52065947
For the assassination. He pumped the Leviathan, Pumped the Kraken, cast Scything Touch, feated for defense and clobbed the Kodiak out of the way.

The Kraken was unfortunately positioned in such a way, that Gaspy had no way of getting LOS to Butcher3 (which probably didn't matter a whole lot, since Orin was near him with three counters.)

<--- Here's what the turn looked like:

>>52066215
Betting on Skorne, but fuck that looks like a fun match.

>>52066310
The match was pretty awful for my Skorne. I should've pointed out that I won the roll and decided to pick sides based on one side having lots of forests. I didn't know how much shooting my opponent had. My Karax died in a single turn along with half my Nihilators. With my screen gone, Loki earned himself a free Gladiator, and Megalith just killed the Bloodtracker-preyed Archidon that swept around for an objective kill. He left a screen of 3 stones in front of his empty Tanith.

The win was assassination. My opponent's big fuck up was thinking Karn could get to Loki so he put the Gobbers in front of him to drop a cloud to block LoS. Karn used the Gobbers as a Sidestep springboard to reach and clear just one stone, making an opening for the Savage, one Exalted Guardian, and Makeda herself to slip through and barely assassinate. I had to min-max the shit out of my last turn and even cast Eliminator for the first time ever on some clumped Reeves to get the distance I needed.

It was not fun, it was miserable watching my board melt. My feat turn killed like 4 Bloodtrackers and managed a little fury. Gonna swap the Savage for a Krea and just dare my opponent to come close enough to Makeda to try and shoot her at DEF stupid.

where the fuck do i got to play in michigan?

http://conflictchamber.com/#be1b_-0shxh2h2h7h9h9h9h9hhhohlhlh9

Grymkin Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Bump in the Night

!!! Your army contains CID entries.

(Old Witch 3) Zevanna Agha, The Fate Keeper [+29]
- Cage Rager [14]
- Cage Rager [14]
- Rattler [9]
Dread Rots (max) [12]
Dread Rots (max) [12]
Dread Rots (max) [12]
Dread Rots (max) [12]
Dread Rots (max) [12]
Twilight Sisters [7]
Lord Longfellow [0]
Glimmer Imp [0]
Glimmer Imp [0]

Glimmer Imps to buff Mat
Curse of Shadows if you need to buff PS
Scourge if you need to buff Mat even more
Windstorm to protect them a bit going in
d3 + 2 returning every turn
Can also toss out Pathfinder and +2" charge threat if needed
All warrior models have Rise

Seems fun. Not optimal configuration though.

>>52067967
Her blinding murder gun buffs MAT, too.

>>52065451
Also they can't just put up four Burning Ash clouds and crotch chop

>>52067967
http://conflictchamber.com/#be1b_-0shvh4h4h4h4h8h8h8h8h8h8h8h8h8hohphlhlhc

Grymkin Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Bump in the Night

!!! Your army contains CID entries.

(King of Nothing 1) The King of Nothing [+28]
- Crabits (2) [7]
- Crabits (2) [7]
- Crabits (2) [7]
- Crabits (2) [7]
9x Dread Rots (min) [63]
Lord Longfellow [0]
Trapperkin [3]
Glimmer Imp [0]
Glimmer Imp [0]
Murder Crows [9]

>>52068936
Even 4chan knows the list as originally posted is spam.

>>52069055
And 4chan is quite right in that it deserves the trash.

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What works well with Horgle? Aside from the mandatory Mauler/Krielstone and the obvious firebreathers.

>>52067906
another state maybe or you know google

>>52070398
Mountain King, a Bomber or two. Mauler is optional. Fireeaters are obviously great.

>>52062606
>grymemes
Its ok too memey on the minies
>Dreadrots
DA TOVARISCH. IS TIME OF VIKTOR AND MANY TEMPLATE, MAKE GAME OF BECOME BOMBARDMENT TO MAKE CYGNARIANDOGPIG JELOUS

So I want to get back into Warmahordes. Played Menoth in Mk1 and would love to know how are they in Mk3. Alternativly I'm thinking about Constance Blaze in Cygnar or some Cephlyx. Any advice?

>>52071168
>DA TOVARISCH. IS TIME OF VIKTOR AND MANY TEMPLATE, MAKE GAME OF BECOME BOMBARDMENT TO MAKE CYGNARIANDOGPIG JELOUS
Can you see through clouds?

>>52071210
Protectorate is - aside from some bad options (like Errants) - a damn solid faction. All of their casters are playable though Amon, HR and Sevy2 are the most popular.

Blaize is shit. Well, not really. She's not bad, but the options she wants to take are. Precursors are terrible. Harlan and Gallant are amazing, but that's just two models. Can't make an army from those. I anticipate there will be a Morrowan theme force (with new Morrowan stuff) somewhere in the distant future that will make them playable.

Cephalix are great, but limited. They will make a great half of a Mercenary list pairing. If that's what you want, go for it. But be prepared to basically build, paint and play two entirely different armies.

>>52071377
>thinking you need to hit when all you do is spam templates of various kinds
You can cloud wall your entire army.

>>52071433
Have you played into a Cloud Wall list before? You can't even target them. You'll have to run your own dudes into the clouds, turn them around and hope you miss them and drift into their army. It's an incredibly miserable matchup.

>>52071412
Thanks mate. Casters that intrest me the most are Kreoss 3, Reznik2 or this new Durant guy(I'm going on looks right now)

So Cephalix are no go since I want an unified look to my force and from what you are saying I recon running purely cephalix themed list is not optimal?

>>52071496
You can run pure Cephalix lists. In fact, you can only play Cephalix in a Cephalix-only list. But in the long run you will probably want another list to pair it with for events (if those interest you) and the best way to do that is to pair it with a non-Cephalix list.

In terms of Protectorate, go for whichever caster you like most. I can't give you too much list advice outside of the obvious stuff like Durant wanting a bunch of warjacks so I hope some Protectorate players can comment on that.

>>52071542
Well matters not. Ordered Durant and mk3 battlegroup. Guess I can't go wrong with castigator and revenger

>>52071412
Errants are only bad because Idrians do their job better and for less points. Kind of makes sense, since almost all special abilities that made errants in mk2 good are now on Idrians.

>>52071985
Are errants or idrians worth anything with Durant. After first glance at him I don't think so but I could be wrong

>>52072046
Well, as already said, Idrians are currently the better of the two options. You can't go wrong with getting one unit of idrians + UA, although I'm not sure if Tristan2 does much with them. They're your go to infantry for the faction though

>>52062262

Can I get a slightly different tier list than the usual; I'm after a fun, showy force rather than outright power. Something that offers many different playstyles and a challenge to use, with a steep learning curve.

As an example, Ret have outstanding internal balance, but are they challenging?
Trolls sound challenging, but that's because they are weak rather than skillful. Also, awful internals.

>>52073469
if you're looking for a steep learning curve Convergence might be for you. They have a resource system almost completely different from the rest of Warmachine and thier 'jacks' base stats change from caster to caster, meaning that even playing the same list with two completely different casters will change the game entirely

>>52072046
>Are errants or idrians worth anything with Durant.
Tristan2 doesn't do much for infantry in general, but then again Idrians don't need a lot of outside help. He tends to run fairly battlegroup heavy, for obvious reasons, with maybe one or two units supporting. Idrians are fairly self sufficient and can definitely fill that role.

Really the only unit Tristan has any meaningful interaction with is Bastions. The combination of inviolable resolve and regular healing makes him one of the few casters that can kinda-sorta-maybe make them work still. They're still far from automatic with him though.

I have a question between Doomshaper2 and Doomshaper3. It seems as though Doomie2 has a better spell list, but Doomie3's feat seems a lot better.

Both sound like they want to run very beast heavy in the PoD theme, but which one do people think performs better? Also, what models work best with them other than the usual Mauler+Stone. My first list is a Gunnbjorn list, but I want a list that does something totally different to pair with him.

>>52074691
You need an axer for both of them. Doomy 2 wants Rok for overtake and Berserk.

>>52066581
This is the problem I've been having with Skorne. Yeah, you can pull it off and your things are pretty good now, but it's not fun watching half your dudes die and having to be OK with it and it's not fun having to bring a bunch of shit assuming they're gonna die so youre few good things can get in to do their job.

I'm thinking of jumping factionb but I feel like an inconsiderate bastard considering they just got buffed.

>>52076240
>it's not fun watching half your dudes die and having to be OK with it
Suck it up. You should be OK with having ALL of your dudes die if that's what enables you to win. Just part of the game.

>>52076240
>it's not fun having to bring a bunch of shit assuming they're gonna die
That's early Mk3 Skorne you are descibing. Now we have a whole bunch of delivery methods. Our stuff may die, but not before doing their damn jobs.

>>52076240
Dude no, I expected to lose infantry in droves, just not in one turn. Mak3 is a super solo in the truest sense. With any other caster they would've lived longer, but that's the price you pay for a caster that can slaughter heavies.

What's the general opinion of PP nuking their forums?

Seems dumb to me.

>>52078457
it needed to happen for various reason. It's not good, but it needed to happen for them. Right now they are doing a lot of restructuring internally.

>>52078521

With the whopping 5 people in my local meta, the forums were an essential aspect of community and discussion for me.

Now they have gone full nazi on the forum rules and scrapped their best parts.

What makes you think it needed to happen?

>>52078561
From the sources I've gotten, it's part of their corporate restructuring. Resources are going into the CID and then things will smooth out

>>52078623

That sounds like a bunch of PR gibberish. It means nothing and only raises more questions.

There was zero reason they couldn't have kept the faction forums. When I was getting into the game, the faction forums were BY FAR the most valuable resource on the internet.

I have no idea how new players are supposed to get into the game now. The newcomers forum? What nonsense.

>>52078679
It's a contractual thing.

>>52078733

What on Earth?

"We needed to get rid of the most used/informative/enjoyable part of our forums because of corporate restructuring. It's a contractual thing".

Do you realise how asinine this sounds? It's this sort of shit that made me leave GW for PP back in the day.

I'm incredibly sad to even be considering going back.

>>52078777
>informative/enjoyable
First of all, fucking no. Faction forums are cancerous and a source of containment.

second it has to do with the contract with people running with the thing.

PP recognizes the issues, but they can't afford to do anything about for a while.

>>52078822
>Faction forums are cancerous and a source of containment.

Yeah, clearly nobody enjoyed them or got something out of them. That's why they were so unpopular. /sarcasm.

I know of two people in my meta, out of the 5, that are considering dropping PP. I'm a third. How do you think two people are going to fare long-term?

It's not just that they dropped them, it's the callous response of "thanks for posting, we encourage you to go to other forums".

Like fucking hell, that's a level of passive-aggression my mother-in-law would be proud of. Then there is the draconian new forum rules. So much for page 5, ffs.

I don't see how a "contract" means they have to delete their main online community hub and act like dicks about it.

>>52076240
> but it's not fun watching half your dudes die and having to be OK with it

Pretty sure I have never won a single game of Warmachine with more than 50% of my points still on the table. What.

>>52078950
You are just projecting hard.

Calm down. As you said, you do not know, so calm down.

>>52078679
>faction forums
>valuable

>>52079001

What am I projecting?

What are you referring to that I don't know?

Are you being intentionally vague?

>>52079050
Yes I am being intentionally vague.

You are projecting your anger and frustration to add passive aggressive responses from PP. To be fair they are guilty of that in the past, but this is just projection from your part

Contractual issues, which you've mentioned yourself that you don't see the connections.

>>52079125
>>Contractual issues

Contractual issues don't make you delete forums.

And it's not projection if I admit my frustration and call them out for their own behaviour.

Yes, "thanks for posting, you can go elsewhere now. bye" is a passive aggressive response.

There was no warning, no discussion, no feedback, no reason given. Just "this is how it is, deal with it". It's a poor implementation of an at best unwise decision.

>>52079208
I'll repeat for last time.

Calm down.

You do not know, so calm down.

>>52079271

Then enlighten me.

>yeah, we deleted our most popular forums because of CONTRACTS.

This is utter nonsense.

>>52079291
not the same guy, but yeah it kinda does make sense. if they contract the forums out to a company, which is extremely common, the company could have stipulated something that allows them to chop what they don't want to do anymore and force PP to take the buck without revealing why. That, too, is relatively common. This could be them dealing with that, so until the contract is up or they can renegotiate this is what we're stuck with.

So as of right about this minute, no more press gang program.

Enjoy your dying game

>>52079486
>allows them to chop what they don't want to do anymore and force PP to take the buck without revealing why.

A non-disclosure agreement where you have no control over your own forum? That would be the dumbest move you could ever make.

Also, I just found out that they dropped the press gang... I don't even know how to deal with this... So many bad moves in such a short time...

>>52079488
proof? I'm not a pressganger and I can't find anything on their official site/forum claiming this, so you understand why I think you're lying out your tiny urethra.

>>52079545
Not that guy but a friend of mine who is a press ganger just texted me that they were shutting down the program

>>52079545

Not him, but I found out about it here:

http://lormahordes.freeforums.net/thread/147/press-gang-disbanded

Their PG page is also disabled:

http://privateerpress.com/community/press-gangers

>>52079545
Guess you'll be sticking your tongue in that tiny urethra

>>52079610
looks like I will be, goddamn. At least they're trying to get something else in place though, I guess? I mean from a business perspective I can see why they're doing what they're doing, but idk. I don't super agree with it.

>>52079545

PPS_Jackson just confirmed in (and then locked) a thread on their official forums about it.

>>52079667
>I mean from a business perspective I can see why they're doing what they're doing

I, too, think that dropping a program full of FREE VOLUNTEERS that has done incalculable good to the warmahordes community is a good business move.

Also, I like to eat sawdust and have trouble tying my shoelaces.

>>52079715
They are trying to axe the volunteer aspect of the community and trying to get some kind of actual employee programs going. That's why so many community things are getting burned

>>52079715
if they're giving the pressgangers credits to buy things after they set up events, it's not really free. the pressganger at my store, which admittedly has a pretty sizeable community, has amassed enough "points" to only need to pay shipping on two 75-point armies. granted, I could be thinking of something OTHER than a pressganger and getting confused, but I don't think I am.

from what I'm guessing they're moving more to the system that WotC has, where they give a store more things based on how much they sell/have events.

>>52079750
>They are trying to axe the volunteer aspect of the community

I'm amazed so many people can obtain so many extra chromosomes so quickly.

>>52079715

Read this: http://blog.legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/top-legal-news/magic-card-game-judges-sue-for-lost-wages-claim-to-be-employees/

You can't legally volunteer for a for-profit entity. Given recent case law, the PG program would only last until someone was pissed off enough to file a lawsuit (which the defense of could sink PP).

It's shitty, but it's not entirely without reason.

That it comes at the same time as other restructuring, though, makes me think that PP is cleaning up liabilities (and having a volunteer program even superficially similar to one that caused a class-action lawsuit to another gaming company is a hell of a liability) in advance of shopping around for a buyer.

The only people putting any work into the northeast have been the press gang, and they've just been told they're not wanted.

I hear the next faction is going to be a ghost town

>>52079575
>>52079545
An interesting note from one other user:
> Also, though it's merely hypothesis, there is another outside factor with all of this. Wizards of the Coast are currently entangled in a lawsuit with the judges for Magic the Gathering. The judges put forth that their "volunteer" hours, and the time it takes to keep judge status, is more akin to a job and should be considered\paid for as such. If the lawsuit goes against Wizards, it could have serious implications for any organization with volunteer judges (like PP.) Combined with how difficult it can be to keep all of the PGs on the same page, working effectively, payed, ect. I'm not surprised they have chosen to let the program go, at least for the moment.

> However, and I'm saying this to all the butt munches in the crowd, don't panic. Let PP explain themselves, and\or let the lawsuit run it's course before making decisions. No reason to get panties in knots and all that.

Would make sense of why PP is letting go of Press Gangers now when there didn't seem to be any problems in the past.

So the local Minions player just got hold of Rorsh and Brine and finished painting Brine. He did his skin a bright orange before washes, and painted his hair bright yellow. We named him Donald Rump

>>52079943

That's not the impression I get from the PGers I've heard from. To them, it was no surprise that this was coming.

Where are the press releases/announcements? Why are we being kept in the dark? PP just seems to be making monumentally stupid moves and we are left guessing as to the reasoning.

Maybe it is a liability thing, but the magic case is about a very specific thing; these people had job-like requirements with hours expected etc. It literally WAS a job.

Given how the whole thing is playing out, they are hurting the people responsible for a large chunk of their community, with no way back.

>>52080020
>That's not the impression I get from the PGers I've heard from. To them, it was no surprise that this was coming.
Oh, really? Well, that's a shame. The last things I bought from PP over the last few months were War Room 2 and a couple paint pots. I don't think I'll be buying much more if they don't set their ship straight soon.

I know it's a long shot but are there any groups for this game near Bromley in London? I want to try something other than the various flavours of warhammer my mates play at the GW store, I don't want to limit myself to only a few kinds of plastic men.

>>52080122

I feel sick just saying this, but I actually went looking at where GW is and how warhammer is going.

What got me into PP, like most others, was that GW was acting like a bunch of retards. They proudly claimed that they do no market research and were so obnoxious towards their customers.

I played warmahordes because I believed in the company. Now, I find myself reevaluating my decision.

PP has more expensive models, and a smaller community. GW is a company that acted like an ass, but seems to be making improvements now. PP is now starting to go down the GW road.

Quite frankly I can't see any reason to stay with PP. I had a whole new list lined up that I was about to buy this week. Instead, I will just make an equivalent priced GW list, wait a month, and then, if PP has not picked up its act, swap over.

My week has been ruined. I got such a good annual review of my PhD, and then I find out my favourite hobby is being gutted.

>>52080300
Play a different game. It's just games.

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>>52073493

Having looked through BattleCollege, Cyriss seem amazing and exactly what I am after.
There are many, many references to this faction being hard to grasp. Is this 'hard' as in a demanding skill curve where I'll eventually have a solid force? Or 'hard' as in 40k Orks where everything is shit and the payoff is simply shitty for the investment required?

Also, the faction does not have a Battlebox under MkIII. Can I just make up my own for a newbie league or is there an unofficial one floating around?
Are custom Battleboxes a thing in general? Or are they specifically tuned for a balanced introduction?

Jfc, there's no escaping mtg cancer. It's even ruining wargaming now.

>>52080557
"hard" as in demanding skill curve

there was no battlebox released for Mk3, because arguably the faction was made FOR Mk3 and only got the one box.

welcome to the ranks, man! If you do get into it I would suggest picking up the battlebox and corollary immediately, and a few (minimum 3) chasses for each bot and magnetizing them. If you plan on using our theme force (and really, why WOULDN'T you) you'll also need some servitors; personal opinion, reflex servitors aren't that great. Elimination and Accretion servitors are the best, then the repair ones, THEN the reflex. Don't pick up any infantry until we get a theme that supports them. You will, however, want some of our Optifex Directives for support/repairs.

>>52080300
>Iamverysmart. I even go to school for my PhD, but I have to brag about it anonymously on 4chan to validate myself!

Companies look out for themselves. Pick the fluff and rules you want to play with and stfu.

>>52080642
>Companies look out for themselves

Companies also make retarded decisions that kill of their customer base sometimes.

>Pick the fluff and rules you want to play with and stfu.
>Stop having different opinions!

U mad? U mad.

>>52080557
http://privateerpress.com/files/JourneymanRules2016.pdf

The official Cyriss battlegroup is listed there. You can't buy it as a set box but you can get the models on their own. Mercs and Minions are in the same boat.

Also, one big thing to point out about Convergence is that it is a limited release faction. This doesn't mean the models will be taken off the shelves, just that getting new releases is very unlikely. The only new release since the faction was introduced was the Prime Conflux and sadly it's a bit poo.

Finally, Convergence seem to be stuck with jack spam at the moment. In MK2 their infantry lists worked due to heavy use of bring models back into play. In MK3 they can still do that but the returned models can no longer act on the turn they come back.

The theme force the faction just got is balls (no servitor pun intended) to the wall amazing though. Take your regular jack-spam list and get a load of free servitors that are now shield guards as well!

I agree with the Anon that said they're preparing to go public. My FLGS owner said when MK. 3 was released it was probably because they were losing money(apparently that had happened before?). Now 5 months later they're doing all this shit.

I'm going to hold off on buying stuff I think.

>>52081067
>public

Who said this?

I want to read more.

>>52080557
Cyriss is cool, but remember, CoC is limited release. Which means no new units ever.

>>52080977
>Awarded PhD in Faggotry with Honors

>>52080977
How the fuck do you have a PhD with such fucking low intelligence?

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>>52081320
>>52081337

U so mad.

>(Makeda 3) Makeda & the Exalted Court [+24]
- the Exalted Court
- Archidon [10]
- Basilisk Krea [7]
- Molik Karn [19]
- Titan Gladiator [15]
- Cyclops Brute [8]
Praetorian Karax (max) [11]
Tyrant Commander & Standard Bearer [6]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [4]
Nihilators (min) [9]
Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]
Gremlin Swarm [3]

I think I'm finally happy with my Makeda3 list. By dropping my Nihilators down to a minimum and dropping Marketh I can bring a Krea to keep everything safe, and upgrade my Savage to a Brute because on the sly it's a really strong light, and has a relevant animus for a super solo caster.

>>52081337
Natural 20.

>>52081267

That doesn't phase me at all. I'd much rather have a limited toolbox to learn with and delve into, rather than spread myself and half-learn the complexities across a larger faction.
And surely once you remove the deadweight from a faction by ignoring all the under-achievers or redundant units, they'd at least be comparable?

Are Cyriss completely done as a faction and absolutely no chance of new models, or are they only going to be a slower trickle of 1-2 per cycle?

>>52081371
>PhD Student uses MEME
>It's not very effective.

>>52080020
>these people had job-like requirements with hours expected etc. It literally WAS a job.

Right, just like a PG that volunteers for a PP convention. They're given a schedule and an assignment and they get paid in PG points which is PP funny-money. I imagine with Magic you could only lose your judgeship for not showing just like this you could only lose your PG status. There are clear parallels

>>52080612
What mtg cancer? What happened?

>>52081448
At this point it looks like the only way they'll get new models is in NQ or a theme force book...which seems unlikely since they just got a NQ theme force.

>>52081726
Wizards is currently being sued over their Mtg judge program. There's speculation that's the reason PP shut down the Press Ganger program.

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>>52080300
>>52080977
>>52081371

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PP fucking sucks now.

Kill the faction forums, kill the PG program, push it on retailers, who may or may not help.

Punish "Free Riders", where they even punish fucking Discount Games, the guys that do podcasts for the communities.

Mark 3 was a disaster. To "fix it", they're going to continue to release bullshit that encourages spam and then 'fix it' after 6 months.

Fuck it. It was a meme before but seriously, guild ball time.

>>52082411
What exactly changed during the transition to Mk. 3 from Mk. 2? Why is it a disaster?

>>52082411
>punish free riders

this is news to me. context?

>>52082448

Not him, but they royally fucked it. It's questionable whether they even playtested it.

Skorne is the best example: They nerfed the rhinodon, when it was already an unused garbage model that people were complaining about.

>>52082448

If you need an explanation on why Mk 3 was a disaster of a launch, I'm not sure how to even start.

>>52082464

http://privateerpress.com/press-releases/privateer-press-supports-brick-and-mortar-retailers-with-new-free-rider-policy

>>52082475
>>52082476
I played a bit during mk. 2, quit, and then rejoined the game a little after the Skorne errata when I found a new place to play.
I missed the transition, so I'm a little in the dark.

>>52082532
http://battlecollege.org/index.php/Storm_Lances

Have fun playing against these.

I watched a 75 point game where someone killed only 3 cygnar units in the entire 4 turn game.

>>52082532
That there was specifically a Skorne eratta should clue you in to some of it. It honestly seemed rushed out the door to deal with falling sales which, when combined with an inability to communicate with their players, caused doubt and distrust in PP.

>>52062606

Might convince me to dust off the Ravagores and maybe get a Sacral Vault if they become too much of an issue.

>>52082532

Sorry if it was a bit snarky.

I really don't know where to start. There were so many bad rules, breaks, poorly written interactions, dumb ass rulings from Infernals, it was just a fucking mess.

So bad, M. Wilson and Co. announced the CID, which is basically asking the community to help play test models before they're released.

This may help but the core rules and internal faction balance is so fucking poor, most every faction is pigeon holed into certain models being taken every time. This will not be fixed, it's just the design of the game now (cheap jacks, power up).

They're trying to fix it with scenarios and themes (Here fucking take free solos then if we can't balance this shit lol!) but it's just forcing people to play theme lists if they want to play solos or other models and even then they can't capture all the broken shit.

It's kind of like when you are painting a model and mess up, get the paint too thick and it wrinkles. The more you try to paint and fix it, the more it fucks it up until you're lost on how to fix it.

That's exactly where the game is. It doesn't help that the management appears hell bent on fucking things up even more.

Really, they need to fire Will S. as it's clear he's just a gamer that happens to be in a business management role with no education or experience running a business. This is evident by the failure to secure any successful transaction. Let's look at his and PPs failures when signing outside contracts and trying to run a business;

Molding: Outsources, failure, shit kits.
Army Builder: Outsources, failure.
Video Game: Outsources, failure.
Mk 3 Launch: In house, failure.

They're real good at fucking things up. Matt needs to do the hard thing and let Will go.

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>>52082560
>Both melee and ranged have electro bounce
>they can assault, so they get double electro bounce on the charge
Uh, this seems sorta fucked up.
Were they always like that? The wiki claims that this
>They gained a point of defence. Clearly they've been training their horses a lot since Mk2...
>Their FA increased to 2.
is all that changed

>>52080300

Even if you're sick of PP at this point, I'd still consider looking into other games before jumping in GW.

Infinity and Malifaux are in good places right now, or if you want something small Arena Rex is pretty cheap and interesting.

At the very least even if PP goes full retard it's not like the game will play any differently.

>>52082754

Second Infinity, it's a terrific game that plays quick.

CB actually encourages third party manufacturers and release a ton of shit free.

>>52082411
>guild ball
Almost a real post.

>>52082665
I'm a player that played MkI WM and Hordes. Was thinking about getting back into WM since I found my Cygnar in my garage after 8 years. Yeah I guess I'll spend my money elsewhere.

Sounds like the golden days of PP are way in the past now.

>>52082694

It's more the things happening around them as well.

First, they were never bad units; even in mk2 they were considered one of the best cygnar units. Why would they then get buffed in mk3, where almost EVERYTHING else gets nerfed? Most things got nerfed heavily.

Additionally, they always used to be glass cannons... but not so much anymore. Now they can hit arm 25. Fun times.

There is just so much they can do and so little you can do against them. You're pretty much forced to take something to counter this one unit alone.

>>52082754

.You're right. I should have thought of this. Like I said, I will wait a month and see what happens, but I'm really disappointed right now.

>>52082497
this... seems like the opposite of a problem, to be honest. they're not even wrong, online retailers who sell things for a massive discount because they don't have to charge for upkeep of a physical store puts the buildings most people play the game in at an unfair disadvantage. and towards your example of Discount Games, unless you can show me proof it directly affected them I'm gonna say it didn't since PP said they're not targetting Brick and Mortar stores (which DG has in Idaho). and the revamping of Steamroller rules for 2017 is gonna go a long way towards stopping spam lists by changing how objectives work. honestly, it seems like most of your problems with PP are actively being solved, and you were just looking for a reason to bitch. you wanna go play Guildball? good. see you never.

>>52082805
don't take anything said on this forum seriously in regards to the game. if you've got a healthy community in your area go for it, people here exist to complain about anything they can and are not really representative of the real-life community.

>>52082860
Nigger you didn't play Skorne last July. We had 4 almost competitive game plans, and all 4 got either deleted or nerfed hard.

>>52082815
Well I suppose it's a good thing I'm the Cygnar player in my new growing community, I can just not play the cancer.

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>>52082861
>don't take anything said on this forum seriously in regards to the game. if you've got a healthy community in your area go for it, people here exist to complain about anything they can and are not really representative of the real-life community.

Spotted the PP employee

Seriously, if at this point you can't be critical of PP, you either work for them and are afraid of getting let go or you're so emotionally/fiscally invested in the company, you won't let yourself be critical.

Either way, sad!

>>52082861
>they're not even wrong, online retailers who sell things for a massive discount

Did you miss the part of his post where he said Discount Games, a brick and mortar store, that releases a weekly podcast that helps new players into games, that also aggregates tournament lists for each faction by caster....was identified as a Free Rider? And saw its sales gutted because of it?

You think calling that kind of person that sells your product a "Free Rider" is a wise business move?

>>52082861
>don't have to charge for upkeep of a physical store

This is only an argument for dedicated stores like warhammer.

No stores only stock PP products. There is nothing to stop them from discounting as well, and have the advantage of being able to hold paid events, and having a community in-store to help bring people in where they sell them products on the spot.

>>52082891

Don't remind me.

At least Molik Missile is available with Makeda, and naaresh, mordikaar and rasheth are doing very well on their own now. Post-errata skorne was great. I guess that's why I'm so disappointed.

I played an underwhelming faction that finally got some love, got my hopes high, and then PP acquires a few extra chromosomes.

>>52082861
SR2017 also has random game length tho, as well as the whole win by 6 thing, and forcing list diversity with their wonky new way of scoring is going to backfire. Hopefully SR2017 will change a lot in CID

>>52082861
I love how everyone on the internet always whines about spamk3 and tournament cheese, but the only person who actually uses any of this at my store is me because you assholes tell me to do it.

Despite there being 4 Cygnar players in my shop, I have not seen an actual Storm Lance model in my entire life.

Eat a dick, /tg/

>>52082970
>Mordikaar
Nigger no. I don't think he's as bad as his spell list looks, but damn son no.

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>>52083061
Sorry, wrong quote

>>52083061

Calvary is expensive money wise.

>>52082916
He's not wrong, the online community (especially /wmhg/) is nothing like real life game groups.

You can be critical of the company/game/whatever and still have fun playing with your friends.

And no, I don't work for PP but I am (was?) a PG and I've been following and positing in these threads for... Forever?

>>52083072

Mordikaar is 45-19 on battle reporter:

http://wmhbattlereporter.com/#/stats/faction/Skorne

And 28-18 on the forum tracker:

http://lormahordes.freeforums.net/thread/13/skorne-tournament-tracker-2016-continued

Mordikaar is insanely strong. I'm not sure why you would think otherwise.

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>>52083061
>Haha, my local Cygnar players are idiots that don't play good things therefore everything is fine, fuck off lads

Cancer, the post.

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>>52083097

>>52083193
The fact is that Warmahordes isn't a tournament game unless you actually play tournaments, you fucking autist.

It's a game and the BIG majority of players play it to have fun while using their favorite models. I have seen Old Witch1 vs Bloody Barnabas yesterday and that game was fucking awesome.

>>52082815
I just want to point out that they're armor stat, and the buffs available to Storm Lances hasn't changed. They could always get fairly high armor values so that's not new.

>>52083164
>I'm not sure why you would think otherwise
Because nobody goes on the internet to report a game in which they got trashed.

>>52080020
>Why are we being kept in the dark?
Emails were sent out to retailers and volunteers. If you aren't one of those the announcement doesn't really affect you.

Either your former PG will keep running events, your LGS will, or someone in the community will step up.

>>52083252
Then why does he have ANY losses at all? How about you go read the forum where people DO post their 1-7 loss streak that weekend.

Also, you are aware that the winner can post their victory and it will show up as a loss for that army? Relying on the file-drawer effect, the only way for an army to then get the most wins is to be the most popular. Skorne is not the most popular.

If you can't use mordikaar, fine, don't. But I and many others have used him very successfully.

>>52083307
Then how are YOU using the caster that can't support and his +3DEF feat in the faction that needs support with workhorse heavies that lost 2DEF?

Potential new player here, if I don't want to use WarRoom, how long will the Cygnar MkIII cards be relevant before they become obsolete?

>>52083366
http://battlecollege.org/index.php/Despoiler

>>52083407
Maybe my problem is I play too much against Circle players who rarely use living infantry then.

>>52083444

Yeah, that would be the issue. He fucking sucks bad if you can't get spirits out.

>>52083472
And Menoth players using Amon jackspam.

>>52083406
Technically they already are. The errata and updated cards are free online however

>>52082916
they're actively working to remove spam. one of the five things you're complaining that they're doing, they're fixing. The faction forum decision I hated, I play CoC and it's hard as fuck to find another place with enough community members around to talk to. the PG program was a legal liability and had to go. I can respect that, and our local PG told me that it's understandable and that he still has time to cash in on his points. which means that I'm alright with it, since my local store doesn't suck ass and actually cares about the customers. punishing free riders stopped people from buying product online and not supporting their FLGS, something else that I support. you play there, you pay there. simple as that.

they make mistakes, but the things you're complaining about I only have one problem with. if you don't like the company that much, stop supporting them.

>>52082938
can you point me to one release saying they targeted Discount Games? their page said they're not targeting brick and mortar, which DG is. I just checked their prices, and they're still discounting pretty heavy. idk, I've never bought from them because I buy in-person.

>>52082947
so, what, because a restaurant sells food they shouldn't charge anything above cost for alcohol? everything a store sells goes to all expenses before it goes to profits. sure they can discount, but then their bottom line would still be affected. and unless they're holding paid events every other week I doubt it'd make much difference in their profits. I guess that having a community that helps them sell things is good, but online stores can do that too through referral bonuses and advertising on facebook/forums/etc.

>>52083496
Where can I find these updated cards?

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The death of the forums and PGs definitely has me on edge. On the other hand the Goreshade4 spoiler has me excited. Going to stay cautious but I'm definitely glad I already helped build a Dropzone/Dropfleet community in my store if things do go tits up

>>52083556
>can you point me to one release saying they targeted Discount Games?
They were forced to change their prices and Jay talked about it in the website but that was forever ago.

The argument was that while chain attack is awesome it doesn't do much to support an actual physical community and instead pushed purchases to DGI instead of the LGS.

And you can hate that all you want but it was true. DGI directly contributed to loss of sales for LGSs for years and that not a model PP wanted to support

>>52083592
>Forums
They were cancer where people went to bitch and whine.
>PGs
It was a redundant thing anyway. If you want to do shit in your community, just do shit.

>>52083583
http://privateerpress.com/organized-play/game-rules-errata

>>52083642
>http://privateerpress.com/organized-play/game-rules-errata

Thanks

>>52083556
>because a restaurant sells food they shouldn't charge anything above cost for alcohol?

That's a flawed analogy and you know it.

Yes, brick and mortar have higher overheads, but they also have access to more methods to increase their profits.

People want to support their LGS, but the one I go to charges out the ass for things. Like, more than twice the amount of a semi-online but still brick and mortar store. That's just silly.

If a company can survive doing things like MtG events etc., then carrying WMH stock only increases their profits. Getting a community set up would increase it further.

Even though I outright told the store manager I will ever buy miniatures, but will buy the paitns and other accessories from him, he is happy to have me in the store contributing to the WMH games.

He would only make more profit by selling at the discounted prices. But no, he wants to be rgeedy and charge double the price.

>>52083664
Don't play at that LGS then

>>52083727

The only other one is over an hour away.

>>52083739
then he's got a monopoly and can charge whatever he wants because people like you will bitch but won't do what you can to affect the market. congratulations, you played yourself.

>>52083776

Nope, there is another store only open 3 days a week that sells everything online.

I buy everything from there.

I can also get it shipped to my door.

No monopoly, just greed. He is shooting himself in the foot but can't see it. Won't even price match. I even offered to pay the price match PLUS 20%, to support the store, but nope, it's full price or nothing.

39 Rocketeers in the Ontario Team Championship

How will they ruin them /tg/? According to previous spam nerfs they will both make the rockets awful AND nerf all the related feats/casters.

My predictions:

>Winter Guard Rocketeer Attachment:
>- increase points cost to 4
>-change [Brutal Damage] to [Crit: Brutal Damage]

>Vlad1
>Change signs and Potents to "While in Vladimir's CTRL area all friendly non-attachment Faction models roll an extra die on all attack and damage rolls, then discard the lowest"

>Butcher1
>Change Blood Frenzy to "While in the Butcher's control range, friendly non-attachment Faction models gain an additional die on attack damage rolls this turn."

>Sorscha2
>Change Winter's Chill to "When an enemy model without Immunity: Cold suffers a damage roll by a non-attachment model while in Sorscha's control range, double the damage that exceeds their ARM. Winter's Chill lasts for one turn.
>Reduce MAT to 6
>Reduce Warjack Allowance to 26
>Remove Desperate Pace
>Add [Ultra-Shatter] ("If the opponent somehow got stationary because of Sorscha2, you get an additional laugh out of whoever wrote her mk3 version")

>>52083853
honestly, as someone who has never played Khador those changes feel pretty balanced, up to Sorscha2 but only because I've never played her so I don't know what her power level feels like right now.
Vlad"my army cannot miss unless I get a 3 or less on every die"1 has always been a pain in the ass, Butcher1 feels like a solid change. again, I don't know Sorscha2 well enough to know about those changes.

>>52083853
I imagine with CID

>>52083920
Fuck you

>>52083592
>Goreshade4
HYPE

And good on you for getting DFC going. I love my ships, but there aren't enough people around here who aren't knee deep in Sigmar to recruit for demo games.

>>52084140
Excellent and engaging conversation. Good job /WMHG/

>>52084198
>Goreshade4
That's Lord Gyrrshyld you fucking scrub

>>52084211
Wait how does he get un-undead'd
And why is he not undead anymore anyway

>>52084211
Wait he's Retribution now? I've been gone for a while.

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>>52084300

>>52083632
The main boards were shit but the ret board was great. Sure most communities will be fine without a PG but it's silly to pretend that their existence didn't help the game grow.

>>52084300
We don't know how yet, there's a fluff piece in the next NQ called Rebirth that is Ret-related. Prime MkIII talks about Goreshade making it to the Game of Scyrah and Scyrah "purging the undead" and someone called the Champion of Scyrah comes out.

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You know, something someone said really stuck with me last night.
Hordes does have a much more varied aesthetic when it comes to beasts compared to warjacks.
You got
>Giant Trolls
>Elephant monsters, Cyclopes, and all the other Skorne shit
>Werewolves, Satyrs, and various other angry mythological monsters
>Dragon/Tyranid type things
>Giant cyborg pigmen and Giant Gators
compared to Warmachines various assortment of same-y giant robots.
Do you think Warmachine could use a bit of a makeover?

>>52084459
I've got your variety senpai!
>Cyngar - FOX Sports NFL Robots
>Khador - 5th Element Penguin Alien Robots
>Menoth - Walking Church Shrine Robots
>Cryx - Evil Spooky Robots
>Retribution - Ceramic Duckface Shoulder Robots
>Mercs - Weird Al from Transformers Robots
>Cephalyx - The Incredible Hulk

>>52084418

I don't get it either. I think the PG program was terrific, saw it help the local community (before Mk3 came out at least, that bled our meta).

I don't buy into the legal reasons either. According to the email, that had nothing to do with the program being cut. So either they're lying or they really can't support it.

>>52083556
I have stopped supporting them. I don't buy any new product or hype their game anymore.

I'll play with friends but they aren't getting any money from me, other game systems do now.

When they become competent again, I'll consider supporting them.

I don't think they're trying to remove spam too aggressively but if they are, they're really shitty at it with their game design. So either they're incompetent or grabbing sales before fixing stuff.

Either way, they don't have my support anymore. Honestly, the community pretty much sucks now too.

So WM is dead.

Should I go into Infinity or Guild Ball? Infinity has better models, but GB seems fun too.

Hell, I'll do both.

>>52085372
Kick Off is only 70

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As a Press Ganger in the pacific northwestl, I have a bit of a closer relationship than the average PG. There were some logistics problems, as said or implied by Jackson and other official forum posts. The game has grown a lot from where it was a while back despite the doom and gloom cries on here. It's a lot of people and points to manage for the virtually non-existant PP support it had.

The Wizards/MTG/Judge lawsuit was the tipping point for gutting the program, so you can blame those faggots for this. You can't technically volunteer for a for-profit company, and the "volunteer" status gets shady because of the whole points system (eg: MTG and the former judge foil system). It's honestly just a huge mess and a headache, and I honestly can't fault PP for getting rid of it. Legally, they cannot say "we shut down the Press Ganger program because we're afraid of a lawsuit" because that would lend a lot of credence to the argument that Press Gangers AREN'T volunteers, as it relates to the MTG lawsuit.

To be honest though, to the 95% of players this change means absolutely nothing. Most PGs were not PGs to get free shit; they were PGs because they like running events and keeping their community going. Those of us who are now ex-PGs are still talking with our local stores, still organizing local events, and doing everything pretty much the same.

Yeah, things are changing. But, what matters is having fun and playing with people. That isn't changing.

>>52085372
>So WM is dead.
Is it dead in your area? That sucks.

Or do you mean that removing the forums and the press gang makes the game dead? Because that's laughable Chicken Little shit if you think that.

>Should I go into Infinity or Guild Ball?
Infinity.

Guild Ball is Steamforge's beta test for their super secret new wargame. Not to mention it's a pretty dead game. Only one store in my region still puts stuff on the shelf, and that's because it hasn't sold yet.

>>52085372
Both, unless you're a hoarder or faction completionist neither are particularly expensive.

>>52085372
Malifaux

>>52079809
>the pressganger at my store, which admittedly has a pretty sizeable community, has amassed enough "points" to only need to pay shipping on two 75-point armies
And how much does that cost PP compared to the hours he put in calculated at minimum wage?

>>52080300
I totally see where you're coming from. I personally got into WMH because the game is great and it still is, more so than before. As long as that is the case I'll stay, regardless of PP doing stupid shit.

>>52081067
That makes sense. Would explain getting rid of Page5 and all that stuff.

>>52082532
>I missed the transition, so I'm a little in the dark.
No. You weren't there for the transition. You missed nothing.

>>52082694
The horse went up from PS10 to PS12 as well.

>>52085372
Play Dystopian Wars.
It's fun.

>>52085372
X Wing

So I'm just back to to playing PoM after long break. My local playgroup consists of Circle, Skorne and Khador. Should I be worried?

>>52087181
>My local playgroup consists of Circle, Skorne and Khador. Should I be worried?
Depends, are they better at the game than you are? Do you have a raft of dud models for the new edition?

Play some games with them with the foreknowledge that you're just getting into the groove again and come back with more information, then we might be able to help you or we might just be faggots about it, this is 4chan afterall and the quality of these threads varies wildly

>>52087181
You'll be fine. Sure you'll lose a lot at first but you can be sure that it's always your fault. That sounds harsh, but it's really reassuring that all you need to do to win is play better. And that comes with time.

>>52087248
I was just wondering baout how good those factions are right now. I played in mk1 and missed out on mk2 compeltly. But since mk3 is quite new I guess I should quickly catch up on the changes

>>52087434
They're pretty much on par. There is currently no faction that has >60% winchance against any other faction assuming similar player skill and somewhat optimal lists. Maybe Cygnar into Cryx?

>>52087472
Ok Right now I plan on buying choir and vassal to complement 25 points list with Trystan Durant at it's helm to get a hold of new rules. I guess I can never go wrong with those

>>52087541
Absolutely. Any Protectorate player should have Choir and Vassals. It doesn't get much more staple than that. And Durant is probably rather underplayed.

>>52083592
More proof that PP hates Cryx.

>>52087576
From what I see I should run him jack heavy but since I last played there is slightly larger selection of jacks to use and castigator turned from great to alrightish

>>52087607
Yup. Jack heavy is the way to go for him. I don't think there's any kind of jack he particularly dislikes. You'll find yourself going for specific ones once you know what you are building the list for, but for now just take whichever you like.

>>52087680
He seems pretty easy to build around for now. I'll grab some jacks, 2 min choirs and vassal, stick hierophant on top of that and only then maybe some real infantry. I hear idrians are good but man do I hate the models

>>52083853
>39 Rocketeers in the Ontario Team Championship
Any links to lists?

Also 39 rocketeers is 13 units with them, meh. Counting by models is a bad metric. Count infantry units or choir by model as well, why don't you?

>>52085372
Infinity is uncompetitive 40k-tier mess for people who like pretty sci fi models.

Go Malifaux.

Is this reasonable starting list? Mind I don't have flameguard yet but I like the models so would like to know if they are any good
Protectorate Army - 25 / 25 points

(Durant 2) Sovereign Tristan Durant [+28]
- Castigator [12]
- Repenter [8]
- Revenger [10]
Choir of Menoth (min) [4]
Temple Flameguard (max) [11]
- Temple Flameguard Officer & Standard [4]
Vassal of Menoth [3]
Vassal Mechanik [1]

>>52088321
Having only one heavy and a pillow-fisted one at that will hurt. But it's good enough to learn the game and there's nothing in it you'll regret owning.

>>52088368
Yeah I admit I'm worried about lack of can opener. In the future for samller games I will likely dump Revenger for Crusader as IMHO Durant doesn't need arc node that much and big stick will serve me better

>>52088392
That's a good decision. I'd like the list a lot more that way.

Guys i love steampukn and dragon based lore, so i bought halve of two player box with cryx and goreshade2 for banes from box, still i wonder what to take next. I search sth wallet friendly, so max two more units (bKnights and carrions or mecanithralls i was thinking), Deathjack, Tatarsauce, Daggarath and Aiakos1 for my Reaper, what you think?

>>52088842
If you want something all-purpose your next purchases should probably be Satyxis Raiders, Carrion Thralls and Satyxis Gunslingers.

I don't think going all in on Banes is a good decision at the moment. A unit of Bane Warriors is hardly ever bad, but I'd wait for the inevitable Bane theme before getting more of them.

>>52088926
So for Illidan Babes Agathia or Gore2 are rather bad option, right? Skarre will do? Or there is better caster?

>>52089109
They're honestly good with everything. Their strength is that they don't need support.

>>52089121
And 2chainz Aiakos1+Reaper combo is a thing now? Or only looks good on paper?

>>52089203
I don't know. Get Aiakos and try it out. If it doesn't work out for you, just give him two Stalkers instead.

>>52087871
http://www.discountgamesinc.com/tournaments/tournaments/view/140

Because Rocketeers are factual models, costed a 2 a piece?

>>52087888
I'd try Malifaux but the models look ugly and the games are way too small. The smaller the game, the more variance is an influence.

>>52086532
that's a good question. realistically the answer is "I don't know, I'm not a pressganger and I don't know how much work (if any desu) he put into the hobby."
but from a business perspective with a potential new "rewards tier" system in which the business gets a few free things/tournament support for running events and pushing my product? any amount of free shit is too much free shit if I have the opportunity to make someone pay for it instead.

>>52086532
>>52090060
It depends on the event but it's always less than minimum wage unless you live in a particularly shitty area.

As an example, an 8 person Steamroller (3 rounds ~7-8+ hours of work) pays the PG 60 points which they can spend on product. 2 points is roughly equivalent to a $1.

So you're getting like $4.30 an hour for your basic Steamroller. Other events pay more or less points.

I know little about Protectorate cause at the moment im just a lurker who knows some of the basics and their Bastions look kick ass. I have a paladin,choir and a Kreoss starter box set, kinda collecting over time when ever i walk into the nerd store and see a sale on. Bell of souls released an image of the new All in ones.

>belloflostsouls.net/2017/03/privateer-new-skorne-menoth-army-boxes.html

I hear nothing about Sanctifiers on here and but I have heard Errants got nurtured from the time I did learn of this game in mid Mark2. Whats Protectorate like to play and play against? I've a mate and his co worker into the game. He plays Skorne/Cygnar and his mate played Cryx but jumped to the clock work army. How would Pom be like against them? sorry about the book long post, I missed my chance at the last all-in-ones.

>>52080300
As long as we're bragging anonymously, I too am in a PhD program, in a top ten university in my field, and passed my qualifying exam this year *with distinction* and was the only student his year to do so.

Fuck yeah.

Alas, though, counter-shitposting is still shitposting.

>>52090310
The jacks don't matter. You always get the full kits and can build whatever or even magnetize.

Errants are kinda shit.

Knights Exemplar are only good in certain lists.

Choir and Roven are great.

>>52083664
BY YOUR OWN EXAMPLE the LGS keeps the lights on by selling magic, so you think they should invest their $ into warmahordes? You are truly the dumbest person on /tg/.

>>52090381
Congratulations. I hear earning a doctorate in medieval literature should get you a starting salary of $250k

>>52084200
Not that guy but seriously even playing the game a little you would see that 4 points per attachement that has crit brutal and has no chance to boost the attack is a joke argument?

>>52085744
Strangely, I think this actually *increased* the number of event organizers locally, as two prominent local players who weren't PGs have said they'd be running events since there wouldn't be any sort of stigma for "officialness" for stuff run by a non-PG.

The new Legion theme lists are up on Conflict Chamber.

>>52090958
>The new Legion theme lists
Wat?

>>52090993
Watt plays Skorne, I don't think he'd be too excited about them.

>>52090958

And the nephelim themed one is boring as shit.

Because non character light legion warbeasts really needed unyielding

>>52091904
Nephilim Protectors at 12/20 is no laughing matter.

>>52090572

No, I;m saying that it's a wide market. They make a profit on a variety of things. Thus, the cost of overheads is diffused.

However you look at it, discount sellers are still making a profit, however marginal. The FLGS can do the exact same thing, make the exact same marginal profit, and continue on.

They choose not to. If they charged only 20% or so more than an online store, I would happily buy from them, but charging shit like $160 for a storm raptor is a little excessive.

Heck, they have the HUGE advantage over an online store of not having to worry about shipping; I would gladly pay more to have the model in my hand as I pay for it. But they do the childish, non-economical move of simply increasing prices the second they start selling less volume to keep profits up. That is the stupidest business decision you can make when you lose business to competitors.

There is always a balance between your turnover, and your asking price. The higher it goes, the less you sell, and vice-versa.

>>52090381

On a more serious note, why does someone making on off-the-cuff remark about their job upset /tg/ so much?

Is /tg/ literally filled with unemployed basement dwellers?

>>52092220
what country are you in that they're charging $160 for a Storm Raptor?
I'm in Canada, so whenever I'm looking at prices for models I take the price on their site and adjust for inflation, then see how much more it's gonna cost me. Usually after adjusting for inflation I'm paying LESS for the model (EX: PA after adjusting costs $191 and some change, FLGS charges $154 for it).

>>52089635
>variance is an influence
No one has a clue what you're trying to say. Different things have differences?

>>52092304

Australia.

You don't even want to know the price of GW models.It's not uncommon to see them over $200.

Also, by inflation do you mean currency conversion? When I played Nids, I used to buy overseas and get them shipped to me, as it was MUCH cheaper. Then GW decided to ban international shipping. So I dropped them right then and there.

Anyway, This whole PP forum fiasco made me go looking at malifaux... and fuck me are they cheaper.

I can field a whole "army" for that price, and the models still look great (to me). I might even be able to get my gf into it, because she was watching me browse and made comments about how she liked a lot of them (I couldn't get her into hordes because she disliked the models and saw the prices).

Many thanks to the above poster who reminded me of malifaux's existence; I found a store that runs malifaux days twice a week 14 minutes from my door (plus twice monthly events). The hordes gamestore was once per week, no actual events, and was over an hour away.

I'm completely sold.

Rumor is that PPSDoug posted something related to goreshade4 in the cryx facebook. Pics??

>>52086760
False.

Play Infinity over GB IMO.

>>52087888
Infinity has the best balance of any game I've played. Malifaux is crazy unbalanced and needlessly complicated. Their models are technically well done, but their art design is laughable.


Also WM/H sucks.

>>52090381
Unless its stem PhD, who cares?

>>5209265
Infinity might be fun if it were more analogous to earth and Islam wasnt literally the faction of peace

>>52092247
Because 4chan is about anonymity. Any attempt to reduce that and gain influence via fiat is a threat to that paradigm.

>>52092683
Haqqislam are still assholes. And fundamentalist Islam still exists, just no one cares about them, and they don't have enough tech to even be a faction.

I wish malifaux had a more cleaned up system for tournament play. The idea of bringing everything I own for a faction, making my list at the start of the game, and all that jazz feels so needlessly convoluted. It's as if ninja division owns the game, using special dice and special cards and special rules when all of it is so damn unnecessary. Not to say I dislike using cards instead of dice, but damn if a lot of the rules feel so messy.

Also some of you autistic shits need to realize you can like multiple games.

Except relic knights. You're not allowed to like that and not be ridiculed for it.

>>52092878
>Also some of you autistic shits need to realize you can like multiple games.

My mom said I am only allowed to play one game though.

I rarely earn enough good boy points in a week for even one model. How can I get a whole new army?

How do I beat Baldur2? Like, +3ARM is retarded and the wall template decreases my threat ranges by a ton.

>>52092965

You ascend from being a mere good boy to being the best boy.

Also cut back on the chikky tendies. Sacrifices must be made.

>>52093325
There's a ton of builds out there. Either with WE+SJ and some Wolves or in Theme with Wolds. In theme you can either go for 2x Woldwrath or any other combination. I find 3-4 Murderflowers, Megalith, a Wrath and some chaff interesting. That's what I'd play if I'd play CIrcle.

>>52092650

What? Malifaux is easily one of the most balanced games in the market.

Very few models are actually bad, and recently they even brought up Lucius, who was as by far the worst in the game, up to a level where he's competitive.

>>52092485
Looks like he was just trolling.

>>52092663
It is.

Anyone have the June releases retailer emails? They should be out in the wild somewhere.

Pleeease Menoth have the Revelator in it

Hey internet. Faction forums are gone so I come to you for opinions. Trying to build a Mohsar list that includes the Woldwrath and am finding it a bit tricky. What are your thoughts?

>>52093768
Why the woldwrath? seems wasted on Mohsar. He already kills the all the infantry and with no arm buff the wrath is probably going to be one rounded by 2 heavies anyway.

>>52092220
Shame you have to deal with that. My LGS doesn't stock WarmaHordes but does orders and preorders at 20% off MSRP. It's a pretty great deal all around.

>>52094049
Basically just on a whim. I want to see if I can make it work.

>>52094880

Because WWWF (wold wrath wrasslin federation) needs a lock that can make turnbuckles on the fly to power slam people into when there's no materials available, amirite anon?

Is the game dying? Looking to get started in WM, I keep seeing people who think it's on it's way out, but then I've been playing games long enough to know that people will always say their favorite game is dying for some reason.

>>52095114
how is the game in your local meta? are people there saying the game is dying?

if they are, don't get into it. if they're confused about what you're talking about/outright say no, go wild. 4chan is NEVER to be trusted in regards to anything. the people who congregate here come here because everywhere else thinks they're fucking retarded.

>>52095114
Mostly trolls.

Some local groups have gotten larger, some smaller. I think the net change since mk3 is growth, but of course the discontented are the loudest.

>>52095157
>>52095202
Well I'll check in with my local group and see what the word is then thanks.

>>52095202
since the beginning of Mk3, my local regular-attendance meta has grown from 6 to 9, and irregular-attendance has grown from 8 to 10. given that there are three metas in my county, and none of them have reported shrinkage, I'd say that the net change in my area is very much growth. hell, we haven't had a single person straight-up stop playing at all.

>>52086797
That's what happened am my lgs. Warmahordes up and evaporated, we had some people move and the current local meta is "spam lances" or "may as well have not shown up". I bought trenchers for Kingmaker that have never hit the table from this, I just don't see the point. Somewhere along the line it became more chore than game. I can't even get the drive to paint shit that I know will only suck and die. It sucks because I really dig the setting, but all the optimisim from the mk.iii announcement is gone. Now they're axing PG to avoid a suit while asking us to playtest thier game in the same breath.

Anyway, x-wing lets me shoot y-wings in the fork and barrel roll out of firing arcs for less than an hour.

>>52087181
>>52087434

On the scale, Circle is a tiny bit above you, Khador might be on the same level and Skorne might be a tiny bit below you. You'll be fine. Stay away from Deliverers (the 10-man unit, the artillery is fine)

Eye of Truth is amazing, get him when he releases

>>52092663
>stem autists

Cygnar Command is out today?

>>52096029
Yes. Gun mages pick up CRA, the meta is saved.

Any changes to Storm Lamers or Haley Sue?

>>52094880
>Mohsar & The Magic Monkey: Adventures in Hordes Land
There's some things there. WW animus can set up some CoS / Crevasse action, or help enable the spell assassination. And the WW's AOE 5 Hazard gun can be used in concert with pillars / sentry stones to create some frustrating choices for the opponent. Big guy also gives Mohsar somewhere to hide as he moves up.

It's not setting the world on fire, but the combo works. Just remember you need a few other beasts too; One gargossal can't feed an 8 (9) fury caster.

>>52096347
Remember, replaced != placed. This means you can place the Woldwarden's Wild Growth bubbles and Sands of Fate away.

>>52096183
How long until the tablet version is put up here?

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>>52096330
>Cygnar
>getting nerfed

Looking to pick up one of the warmahordes starters tomorrow. Which one is the most fun to play out of the box? I don't really plan on expanding much after it though.

>>52097074

And this is why I play malifaux.

>>52097225
Depends on what you find fun.
I wouldn't suggest the Trollblood box, it's kinda butt.

>>52097344
Combos would be fun.

Anyone who's familiar with Magnus2 know his good and bad matchups? Looks like very high armor and fast list can be a problem maybe?

>>52097418
>Good matchups
Scenarios
>Bad matchups
Lack thereof

>>52097418
Magnus usually always runs one of both of his Renegades, meaning Haley2 and 3 are inherently problematic, because they can take control over the jacks and shoot those rockets at their own army (or Magnus himself, if he unfortunate enough to play out of theme).

Telekinesis also gets around Escort and even Unyielding in a pinch. (or can be used to place your own models into melee with Magnus, since placing isn't moving).

>>52096557
Pretty sure this was inferaled after that one video was posted saying you couldn't do that

>>52096347
the shitty thing about his animus and sprays is its only boosted against the actual spray target, not the other models under the template. Which is a big reason i think it's a bad model for him

So does anyone have any hopes for Chiron being any good considering the strength of his bond? Surely a list can't be carried by a single SP10 considering how Xekaar is just a worse Rasheth, right?

>>52097520
>>52097613

Oh that explains everyone not wanting that double flag scenario. I was thinking a speed 7 chilling back could just get into the zone pretty easy if it's pretty far back and just screw over his feat turn. And yeah I heard Haley3 is the new gaspy2 to Mercs now.

>>52098104
Do we know what it's animus will be? a pow boost able pow 14 rng 10 rat5 does a shit ton of work with my purebloods. I imagine it'll be the same with your chiron. It'll probably be Rat6 tho

>>52099719
>It'll probably be Rat6 tho
Bitch please we have melee beasts that can see into the future but are only MAT5. The animus had better be some Mk2 Fate Walker horseshit for Chiron to be playable though.

>>52096029
Where is it?

>>52100235
In the PP store. Command Anon here. I'll have it up in the next 24 hours.

Weird question. Is it possible to build a synergy chain by slamming? Specifically I'm looking at the Woldwyrd in Circle (which has no actual melee attack). Probably other examples out there.

>MAT roll against the thing you want to throw
>RAT roll against the thing you're throwing it at
>Throwing directly away now deviates from that point
There, throws fixed, now revert the retarded power attack changes.

>>52100770
So back to Mk2, basically?

Yeah, I'd be fine with that. Dunno why they had to go and break it in the first place.

>>52100420
Thanks!

Is the Battlegroup the best place to start a Convergence army?

>>52100832
>Is the Battlegroup the best place to start a Convergence army?
The battlegroup is the best (only) place to start any army.

>>52100909
neato burrito

>>52100770
but muh new players

>>52101040
I've seen more confusion about using MAT for what appears to be a ranged attack than PP would've liked.

>>52100909
Oh to add to the question. Convergence box set is still from MK2 right? So if there is no errata'd card on the PP site, that means the card that came with the unit is still legal?

>>52101080
Yeah, but I got used to it. I just try to remember things by path of least resistance.
>we started with MAT, we finish with MAT

I was very annoyed by the laser sharp "directly away" throw though. It made no sense that an aimed shot at someone was somehow more inaccurate than a random fuck off throw.

>>52101124
You use the mkiii card. Why would you think the mkii card would be ok?

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>>52101142
>>52101216
Didn't realize there was a full set of cards but thanks.

>>52098104
Maybe he's good with X2. His Leadership might be worthwhile.

>>52101524
The question there is, is he good enough for Xerxis2 to bother breaking tier for?

>>52101575
The theme hardly offers any benefits in the first place. Sure, Swift Hunter is nice with Drakes and you can maybe hide some PGBH behind the wall, but that's about it. He plays 0p down when breaking theme.

Command Anon here. Ask and Ye Shall Receive.

Cygnar Command Book

http://www104.zippyshare.com/v/aG3otFxu/file.html

>>52101591
There are two more tiers coming that may be worth keeping in as well anon. May is the deciding factor in that.

>>52101604
Is it? Our command book has been delayed indefinitely. I'm not waiting on themes that may or may not arrive sometime in the distant future.

>>52101594
Yay

Let's raise a glass

>>52101612
May is when Skorne Command, Morghoul3 and Chiron are schedualed.

>>52101653
http://www.warmahordesreleaseschedule.com/

Unless I'm blind it's just Morghoul3, the Drake, Zaadesh and the Dakaar.

>>52101672
You're not blind. It's just not on the list yet. Its like the Retribution book should be hitting the distributor spoilers anytime soon as well.

>>52096347
Looking at :
Mohsar, Wold Guardian, Shadowhorn, Woldwrath, Sentry (x2), Shifting, full Bloodtrackers, Gallows (x2)

Three points left, wanted a Wayfarer but need to squeeze an extra point somewhere. Not aiming for super competitive more just fun an functional.

By which I mean I just want to push people's models around and trap them with Salt Pillars. Any thoughts on the last few points?

>>52101594
New to cygnar but where are all the Storm units in this book?

>>52102834

Factions are getting "sub factions" in the way of theme books. Some theme forces are pretty basic(like a generic warbeast or infantry theme) or too niche to support an entire book, these will be released in the faction command books or issues of No Quarter. The theme books will revolve around prominent themes in factions such as Man-O-Wars, Exemplar, Trenchers, and Storm Knights. The Storm Knights are likely getting their own theme book. That means all of the Storm Knight models will be listed in the book, as well as lore, painting guides, the theme list, and new models exclusive to the Storm Division theme list.

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>>52102834
Not to mention Trencher units. Did Cygnar get nerfed or something?

>>52102921
Oh wow, I'm completely new to WM and that sounds totally retarded. Guess I'm out.

>>52101653
>>52101710

The Skorne Command book release date has not been unannounced but is not being released in May. They've had to push it back because of the Skorne eratta.

>>52102948

Okay? Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Books in Warmachine have never been required to play the game. Them releasing more books are purely for collectors and completionists.

>>52102948
>literally the worst time to get into Warmahordes

>>52102978
Yup that's the best attitude to have to keep a dying game alive.