Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

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Second Great Crusade when?

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>>52057072

>>52057072

You forgot the dank daily Duncan you fag

>>52057094
Duncan is just a meme, no one cares.

WARBOSS IS A MELEE MONSTER

>>52057094
I built the pasta, fuck if i'll lower the quality with memes, he comes back when he does a new video.

Besides it's /WIP/ content.

Now there's something i forgot.

WIP General
>>52056164

40k roleplay General
>>52034554

>>52057101

Let me guess, you're yet another in a line of endless losers who are willing to invest hundreds of dollars in models but are too lazy to paint them.

Maybe if you spent more time watching painting tutorials instead of bitching about them your army wouldn't look like a pile of gray shit.

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fresh from /hhg/

>>52057072
What's the best xcom team?
I know its cliche as fuck but I really want to play some kill team with a kitted out six-man deathwatch vet squad, anyone tried this before?

>>52057133

You'll get killed by the first horde army you play against. Killteam is a ton of fun, but it's grossly unbalanced towards higher model count armies.

It doesn't matter how beefy your DW dudes are, if you're looking at you firing (at max) six times a turn and some IG/Ork/whatever player firing 30 times a turn you'll lose on dice rolls alone.

>>52057082
Empa wasn't even very fond about the other foundings after the "properly namend only founding" what would he thinks about another GC?

>>52057142

Yeah, Killteam really needs a different system entirely to work properly. Maybe something based on the Infinity system so you can have your big badass as an option, not just hordes.

>>52057142
But I love xcom and want to have fun and am also really enjoying painting my xenos hunters so far.
Is it really all hordes?

>>52057145
Emperor wan't conscious for the second founding.

Fallen gear/formation info FUCKING WHEN?

>>52057171
Not all hordes, but you dudes are costly as is, and gets immensely costly with special gear while still dyeing like common marines.

Zone Mortalis is way better for small killteams.

>>52057194
Does Mortalis have any special rules other than the specific board and mission types? I think the tight hallways and confines of Zone Mortalis better recreate xcom anyway...

Reminder to bully all Nid players

>>52057171

They're your dudes, you can do whatever you want with them, just know that you'll be handicapped if you go up against certain armies.

Deathwatch Marines are tough but you could theoretically be facing an opponent with 5 times the amount of potential shooting units that you have.

The amount of people who play horde armies in Killteam just depends on your local meta. It's never a bad idea to have a conversation with your opponent beforehand or to try and find someone who is running a similar model count army.

>>52057183
When someone who gives a fuck about them buys the set instead of the billion ultra-autists.

If I have a storm shield I cant qualify for +1 attack from 2 melee weapons but do pistols still give me an extra attack?

So why does everyone speak so highly of shit like markerlights and lowly of nids and such when (from my experience at least), boards have so much multi-layered cover and TrueLoS hindering stuff that a full squad of dudes is almost never fully visible?

I've played friends whose pathfinders and such literally did not do shit all game. Can't see target and if you move, you snap shot making them just as useless. I've also played friends who have orks, nids and the like and they have given me and other terrible losses simply from moving through cover until 3/4 of his army is within charge range.

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>>52057133
Sisters actually, they fit in the sweet spot of not to low model count and not ork/IG model count.

Bonus points they are T3 so they actually feel like humans in power armour fighting ayy imao like xcom.

>>52057201
Yeah, flamers and blasts get shred because of funnel effect and shrapnel
Doors than can be opened closed, locked or broken down
Bike-types at risk from narrows corridors so always in dangerous terrain.
Only teleporters can deep-strike
Better overwatch for "reactive" weapons Pistol, Assault and Rapid Fire
Hazardous areas with ammo, fuel-drums, vacuum or poison gas

>>52057227
Laser-pointers go through terrain, no cover from markerlights.

>>52057258
Ignores Cover but not Line of Sight, which is what I'm saying. You can't be marking things that are huddling behind a wall or in a building.

>>52057205
Good to know, thanks anon.
I've never played kill team before but my FLGS has a sunday league apparently, I'll give it a shot when I get my xcom team painted. And if its all green tides and hordes of guardsmen I'll know to stick to normal games.
>>52057249
Thanks anon, I'll have to try it out.

>>52057218
Don't be a moron.

>>52057315
Hiding an entire unit 100% from LOS for the majority of a game is all but impossible unless you're using insanely large pieces of terrain.

>>52057328

If it's any consolation the idea of an X-Com styled Deathwatch team is pretty cool.

Put them in a Stormraven Gunship and call it a Skyranger for your next fullsize game.

>>52057218
>reading is hard

>>52057218
>can't benefit from two melee weapons
>pistols explicitly count as melee weapons
What do you think?

>>52057218
Sure, a ranged one.

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So, between Guilliman's revealed rules, Cypher's 'straight-from-the-dataslate' rules and Voldus' rumored rules, who is actually the best choice of the three?

If somebody doesn't know the Voldus stuff, he's a GK Grandmaster with Mastery3, Adamantium Will, one additional Sanctic power and a Daemonhammer that isn't Unwieldy for 240pts.

>>52057345
Well most of my games use big piece of ground-level terrain and a lot of my opponents uncluding myself use smaller-sized squads and few MCs/vehicles.

So yeah, I rarely get to shoot a squad with my whole squad as well.

Skaven replacing Orks when?

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>>52057408
Has cyphers stuff even been confirmed yet? all I've seen is the faction info and pic related. we still dont know war gear or formation

>>52057428
Multiple sources have claimed it to be the case, so until we actually see pics, we may as well assume it to be true.

Battlewagon in a 500 point game: dick move or not?

>>52057557
there's no dick move in ork play, only stupid one. (like warboss with 2+ and LK in 500pts game)

>>52057568
>playing orks

>>52057568
I'm sure the move is stupid, but that doesn't worry me.

I have an idea to head fluff my army as I build it, so I was either bringing a couple trucks or a battlewagon in my fledgling list and I figured this was the better of 2 turds.

>>52057593
>I2
>melee race

Any chaos players here. If so (why the fuck do you bother) what list do you usually bring?

I can't believe Slaanesh is getting squatted.

>>52057663
But it's not

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>>52057644
I play TS and I usually bring this list. Lower points involves making the Rubrics MSU and maybe reducing a mastery level from somewhere. It's pretty effective for me and I get to use all my models.

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>>52057557

This is my 500 point list, I hope it's not a dick move

>>52057693
my main problem is i usually face crons, so i have to bring every fucking thing i can to leave a mark, thousand sons dont help me much from decurion in my experience

>>52057568
>there's no dick move in ork play
Big mek, 2x grots all riding in Buzzgobs stompa.

>>52057710
An ExSorc with Seer's Bane can be great considering he attacks leadership AND IDs to reduce Reanimation rolls. Can wrap him up on a disc with spawn to have a small speedy deathstar.

>>52057676
I need context for that image.

>>52057644
CSM Death Guard Vectorium (1836pts)

Core
* Chaos Warband
* Chaos Bikers

2x Chaos Bikers: MoN, 2x Meltagun, VotlW
* Chaos Biker Champion: Combi-melta, Gift of Mutation, Power Fist

* Chaos Space Marines
MoN
10x Chaos Marines: 8x Boltgun, 2x Plasma Gun, 9x extra CCW, VotlW
* Aspiring Champion: Boltgun, Combi-plasma, Gift of Mutation, Power Fist
* Chaos Rhino: Combi-plasma, Dozer Blades

* Chaos Space Marines
MoN
10x Chaos Marines: 8x Boltgun, 2x Plasma Gun, 9x extra CCW, VotlW
* Aspiring Champion: Boltgun, Combi-plasma, Gift of Mutation, Power Fist
* Chaos Rhino: Combi-plasma, Dozer Blades

* Chaos Terminators
MoN, VotlW
2x Chaos Terminator: Combi-melta, Power Axe
* Terminator Champion: Combi-melta, Gift of Mutation, Power Axe

* Chaos Havocs
4x Havocs, 4x Autocannon, MoN, VotlW
* Aspiring Champion: Boltgun

* Typhus
Warlord

Command
* Lord of the Legion
* Sorcerer: 2x Additional Mastery Level, Bike, Gift of Mutation, MoN, Power Armour, Sigil of corruption, Spell familiar, VotlW

Auxiliary
* The Lost and the Damned
* Dark Apostle: Gift of Mutation, MoN, Power Maul, VotlW

9x Plague Zombie, Plague Zombie Champion

9x Plague Zombie, Plague Zombie Champion

9x Plague Zombie, Plague Zombie Champion

9x Plague Zombie, Plague Zombie Champion

Have they revealed Cypher's rules yet?

>>52057730
I don't know. Something about new mass effect.

>>52057727
I'd fight that

>>52057737
Has it been posted in the thread yet?

>>52057729
my opponent is a cunt so the AV13 spam is real, unless i want to gimp myself on the heretech or go a heavy support based list

>>52057745
I wouldn't know, which is why I asked.

>>52057737
Have you stopped being a namefag yet? Answer's the same.

>>52057747
You're not gimping yourself that way. Last opponent I faced was a BT vehiclespam friend using Castellans who revived his LRC and several others. I faced about 400 extra points in vehicles with 200 extra infantry. I STILL kicked his ass using Heretech on every psyker.

Do not underestimate the rape that is Scrapcode Curse/Flayerstorm.

>>52057752
>namefag is too lazy to look over a short thread
Impressive.

>>52057752
The answer is the same, if it's revealed it'll be in every general thread plus two independents for a week.

Like every other reveal ever.

How playable is a knights-only list?

Or at least a mostly knights with skitarii/guardsmen swarming around their feet?

>>52057754
>>52057761
Salty.

>>52057752
Are the 55 posts in the thread too much for you to glance over?
>namefag
Ah, sorry. I didn't notice.

>>52057771
Little bitch.

>>52057766
Playable, but the hard part would be getting anyone to play against you.

>>52057739
>Mass Effect
>Fat people in the picture
I see what you did there.

I liked the time when unhealthy people where treated instead of praised

>>52057766
Playable sure, but it's an all or nothing list, either the opponent will have enough anti-armour to win or they won't.

>>52057727
time to do something dick, thanks anon

>>52057766
As a knight-fag I must say: Not very. Any competent opponent will either pack enough anti-tank to wreck our shit or will find a way to make each knight useless. For a enemy facing knights it will be a very daunting task, but that won't hold for long.
Unless you manage to cripple the foe over your first two shooting phases you have very little hope to pull off a victory.

>>52057766
You can beat up Orks and Nids easily

>>52057792
>>52057797
That's disappointing.

How could I took the list to feature knights as the center piece without going all in?
I don't know shit about IG or AsMech rules, Ive been so focused on 30k

>>52057736
Primary formation - Hellforged warpack
x3 Helbrutes with Plasma cannons and Powerfists and Mark of Nurgle 390 points.
x2 forge/ maulerfiends.
Forgefiends will have x3 plasma cannons. 200 points.
Maulerfiends have x2 powerfists. 125 points.
X1 Warpsmith with Mark of Nurgle. 125
Total = 840.
Secondary Formations - x 2 Helcult
x1 Helbrute with Multi-Melta and powerfist. 115 points.
x2 10 Man cultist squads with Mark of Nurgle, plague zombies. 140 points.
Total = 510.

This is my base so far

>>52057819
Yea, go, kill bully boys with armorbane.

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>>52057766
>mfw gauss weapons

>>52057834
*stomps it's points to death every turn, and on death then blows up slaying any still in melee*

>>52057820

You can do an Oathsworn Detachment (1-3 Knights) as an addon to any army.

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>>52057766
As a SoB player lots of armour value and/or low save high model count make me moist.
I enjoy it way too much to the point of almost Heresy.

>>52057860
But they attack before stomp and can easy kill 1 knight.

>>52057873
Neat, thanks.

My formation doesnt specify if I can take a dedicated transport or not, does it need to?

>>52057899
Not him, but why would he ever even engage them? Shoot transport to shit and just stay out of range thanks to 12" movement. Occasionally hose down the waddling meganobs with a thremal cannon and the thing soon ceases to be an issue.

>>52057408
this is the most op bullshit i've seen in the current edition. poor magnus in comparison...

>>52057428
>20pts marines
Hoo boooy. Even 13pts marines suck unless they get free transports, obsec, gravcannons and hit&run.

>>52057935
If orks have 1st turn - they move 12", then boost 12" and wait. 3 trukks with MANs and 1-2 with tankbusters. 4-5 Knights can kill all transporks but can't kill all MANs and on turn 2 orks will charge.
ps - i play orks.

>>52057082
>we were just pretending to be in dire straits
How does the return of Guilliman suddenly put the Imperium in the position to be able to steamroll the galaxy again?

>>52057928

Generally in 40K you assume the answer is no unless the rules say yes.

Which formation is it?

>>52057949
Magnus is better. Guilliman is glorified dakkafex. Magnus actually has power to win games.

>>52057408
Holy fuck that is broken.

At least you can't spam it for 180 points.

>>52057967
And if, I don't know, the Knights just...move 12" away?

>>52057970
>How does the return of Guilliman suddenly put the Imperium in the position to be able to steamroll the galaxy again?

Guilliman can actual lead the Imperium well.

>>52057949
Magnus is costed like woah, but he's also just plain better. Goblinman has to waddle all over the place while getting shot at by everybody and their mother while Magnus can fly and apply psychic dakka as needed.

>>52058008
He can but Imperium is also in position of bending over to its enemies. Guilliman might tip the scales now to Imperium's favor but it wont be walk in the park nor fast process.

>>52057428
>20 point marines
>only has +1 attack over normal marines
>melee is still shit

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>>52057837
Yes. This is my favourite thing about my Necrons. I may get totally shit on by Tau and Eldar, but I can rape knights all day long.

>>52058040
>marines player looks at the chaos dex for the first time

>>52058024
>He can but Imperium is also in position of bending over to its enemies.

Which stops when someone can actually wield it's resources properly.

>Guilliman might tip the scales now to Imperium's favor but it wont be walk in the park nor fast process.

No one said he was going to do everything in five seconds.

>>52058040
If only there were some sort of Rules that made model Special to differentiate them from similarly statted ones.

Ah well guess that's just a sci-fi pipedream.

>>52058047
>Which stops
It wouldn't. Although Imperium wastes resources like a bellend, it has been stated in numerous codexes that imperium couldnt stop them if they also got their shit together. Orks banding into one waagh, all necrons waking up, all tyranids coming into milky way etc.

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>mfw want to play Guard
>mfw have to either buy hundreds of infantry or endless tanks

i know that's what guard are all about, but why can't everything just be easy and free

Which would be consdered lore accurate. The Avatar or the FW Avatar?

>>52058058
Or play only small games?

>>52058068

My local meta is 1k games. That's still a whole fucking lot of Guard.

>>52058057
>It wouldn't.

It would.

> it has been stated in numerous codexes that imperium couldnt stop them if they also got their shit together.

That was before Guilliman.

>>52058063
What, size-wise? Varies, but the FW avatar is probably closer to the real thing.

>>52057971
This is true, but...

>>52057928
So long as the formation doesn't restrict what options the constituent units take, you're free to take whatever options are normally available to them, which includes Dedicated Transports.

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>>52058043
>>52057837

Not all lists can deal with 3 knights with that 3++ invul.

You need experience and ghost arks, otherwise knights rekt your warriors in no time.

From my tournament experience as necron player, necrons are quite mediocre... You lose to Tau, Eldar and deathstar, that are very common. But if you use destroyer cult, they are amazing vs knights and flyrants shits.

>>52058087
Well okay then. Not going to argue with your headcanon anon, its only time wasted.

>>52057428
lel
compare him to the swarmlord. nearly identical statline, but for only 65 points more and the loss of the mighty hivemind psyker powers papa smurf gets:
>+2 bs
>+1 wounds
>+2 attacks
>2+ instead of 3+
>general 3++ instead of melee only 4++
>fnp
>FUCKING resurrection 4+
>additional combat doctrines
>rerollable morale, fear, pinning on everything
>s10 d1 melee weapon with D on 6 (= statistically about one of his blows in combat is D, all at I 6) and armourbane
>3 s6 ap2 rending shooting attacks
>eternal warrior
>ALL THE WARLORD TRAITS FFS WHY HE NOW SEIZES INITIATIVE ALL THE TIME SCOUT MOVES I CAN'T STOP FUCK ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

i guess that counts as 'fair' now for ultrafags

>>52058122
>Not going to argue with your headcanon

You're the one using headcanon. RoTP literally has fate being rewoven.
We've already seen the Imerium can beat the united Orks, without Guilliman, with him they could do it in style.

>>52058158
I'm not going to argue that it's not canon, but "move weirdboy near primork, watch primork explode" was fucking stupid.

>>52058008
Granted. Logistics and shit.

But chaos are attacking pretty much every system. And the other factions aren't exactly idle either.

Is it just a symbolic unified Crusade that doesn't really have a hope of achieving it's goal as opposed to the smaller previous crusades?

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>>52058095

>From my tournament experience as necron player, necrons are quite mediocre

Yep. Unfortunately, all the Necron overpowered whinny shit was a meme spread by bad players, who funny enough, were bad.

>>52058129

All the COMMAND traits. Not all the warlord traits. His allies within 12 can use his leadership, reroll 1s on shooting and melee, run/charge 1 more and enemies in the area use the lowest init for a unit rather than the highest.

>>52058181
>Is it just a symbolic unified Crusade that doesn't really have a hope of achieving it's goal

No.
It's Great Crusade II, no traitor shits edition.

>>52058129
He only has 6 warlord traits. It's not that bad.

>>52058185
Cheese tier:
Eldar
Broken tier:
Tau
Marine with OP formation

Mid tier:
SoB
Necron
IG
DE

Scrub Tier:
Ork

Sad Tier:
Nids

Did I miss anyone?

>>52058095
Necrons are only mid tier because of the meta though. They still shit on most lists, just not the meme tourny lists atm
God damn jet bike niggers

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pls r8/critique, trying to trim the fat from this list

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>>52058129

He is garbage for 350pts.

6' and dies easly to gravspam or any ranged D.

he could be interesting as tank for some blob, but as he is not indep and MC, he is just footsloging shitter on table who 99% will do nothing but push enemy away a little before dying to D/grav/ranged spam/riptide etc.

for those points 99% times IK will be better choice.

>>52058221
Chaos demons are broken tier

>>52058221
you're missing all the horns, spikes, and mechadendrites

>>52058221
How does one forget Magnus?

>>52058004
Anyway - easy charge.

>>52057123
I FUCKING LOVE THIS SHIT

>>52058221

Wrong. "Factions" are no longer a factor. Lists are based on builds - for example you listed "IG" as mid - but only Psykana Division is OP with summoning, and most tournament lists marked as "IG" are just this formation + flyrants/deamons/magnus/eldar.

>nids
Flyrants lists are still top-tier

>>52058236
>>52058236
Holy shit you are right I had totally forgotten about those.

Mechanicus without cheese formation are bottom mid tier
With cheese formation they are at the same place as SoB

Chaos marines just above IG

Demons are under Elder in the cheese maybe above Tau in broken tier

Those seem correct?

>>52058221
-Marines should be in cheese tier.
-Daemons, admech and imperial superfriends in broken tier.
-Tau should be "gatekeeper" tier as it's the army that seperates the cheese lists from the chaff.

Any leaks about this GK librarian?

I think he will be perfect for my blobguard to buff/access to broken marine spells/tank

>>52058255
Well we should add the God fucking damn it why? Tier

With things like jetbike scatter spam, warp spider, Riptide wing and random servo skull Inquisitor in the same army.

Faction wise it seem correct. Mix and match it is another mess

>>52058221
What about genestealer cults
I have no experience with them as of yet

>>52058225
Abloo abloo why can't he move 30" a turn how am I supposed to use him

>>52058276

Might be. But nids are defienietely top-tier. I know their codex sucks, but you can min-max it to codex:flyrants and win competitive games. It's not fun codex, but you can cheese-tier with it

>>52058282
Meme tier, beside a single alpha strike gimmick they are just better Orks

Same with knights, inquisition and MT

>>52058293
One good build does not a top tier army make

>>52058292

Most of marine deathstar shits actually move 30' by broken psychic powers, turbo boosting bikes etc.

I am just comparing him to something that cost almsot same - IK.

And IK is much better with 12' move that is essential on melee unit.

>>52058309
So he is decidedly not broken because he's footslogging and that makes him bad

>>52058293
My comparison is how easy is to defeat the army with a traditional MSU SoB list.

2-4 Battle Sisters squads with HF+F in Immolators
2-3 Melta Dominions in Immolator/Repressor
1-3 Exorcist

That is the reason I placed SoB at the top of mid tier.

But I can be horrible wrong

>>52058305
Actualy look at other lists.

Eldars - always jetbikes/WK
Tau - always riptides
marines - okay, more choices - gladius, gravcents or deathstars
space wolves - deathstar
etc...

most of current cheese armies have one build and you list them as top-tier. Same i'd do with Tyranids. When someone plays tyranids i know i will have to deal wit hat least 2 flyrants and its never easy even on fun games.

>>52058221
I think Vraks Renegades are real, real close to cheese tier.

>>52058305
It depends entirely on the build and how effective/easily countered it is. If there's only one viable build but it's the best build in the game then it's indisputably a top tier army.

What is this shit?
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Gathering-Storm-Triumvirate-of-the-Imperium
Triumvirate of the Imperium was $165 a week ago, now its $80?

>>52058340
Should point out because reading comprehension is often low here that I'm not calling flyrants best build in the game I was simply pointing out it was a flawed statement.

>>52058272

Mastery level 3 grandmaster, generates extra spell from sanctic, hammer swings at initiative, 240pts.

>>52058343
Is it possible you live in Oceania and don't realise you're browsing the US site?

>>52058225
>psykic powers aren't a thing.
Tiggy conclave will get guilliman where he needs to go every single time.

>>52058221
Blood Angels

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>>52058293

>Tyranids
>top tier

Kek!

>>52058361
Different color marines are still marines, just use what ever is the best rule for them.

God Tier
Orks
Tyranids
Sister

Bro Tier
Dark Eldar

Shit Tier
The rest

>>52058358
For that price I can also take two fucking imperial knights.

>>52058370
Anon, if you think Blood Angels occupy the same place in the meta as Dark Angels/Space Marines then I don't think you're qualified to comment on powerlevels.

>>52058373
This is the list of most fun, most satisfying to play, right?

If so, I approve this list.

>>52058381
He's saying use counts as white scars/dark angels like everyone else.

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>>52058394
>orks, nids, sisters, DE
>fun
>satisfying

>>52058381
Just use the better rules for your different color marines.

You can still call them blood Angels while using superior rules.

Model wise they are the same, some have robs other beards or pretty faces, just play with better rules.

Is not like Orks can get away with that easy if they try to run them with Tau rules. Marines can do that with no problems

>>52058396
>>52058415
I see my mistake, sorry anons

>>52058236
New guy here. How do I run daemons well? I only have a metric fuckload (50) plaguebearers, 6 nurglings, 6 fly riders, a daemon prince (unpainted ATM), 10 daemonettes, 2 heralds of nurgle, 5 cultists, and an aspiring champion

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>>52058439
More slaanesh stuff is required

>>52058367

You don't play much, right?

If someone plays Tyranids and he have strong option in codex sooner or later he will use it to increase power level of list.

And even 2 flyrants makes them really strong and hard to beat for some lists.

Something that for example orks can't do with their codex (only i think FW broken cheap stompa in low-point pts games)

Codex lack internal balance, but have very strong option - flyrants and cheap troops. They are top-tier, even in friendly tournaments with mixed lists they do very well due to flyrants.

>>52058439
Install Slaanesh

>>52058451
>>52058463
I thought slaanesh stuff was trash?

>>52058439
When people say Daemons are broken, they're talking about Summoning-heavy, heavily-Tzeentch based lists.

Daemons are still a strong army. Using what you have, I'd get five Furies (or some suitable stand-in if you don't like their old models) and another troop of any lesser daemons. Run a Tallybrand in an Incursion with all your Plagues and Nurglings, and then a CAD with the Daemonettes and your fly riders.

>>52058439
Screamers. Horrors, Kairos and co.

>>52058378
Which Guilliman would beat in 1 game turn of combat while only losing about half his wounds

>>52058487
Ok. Also thinking of nabbing a great unclean one.

>>52058305
So Deamons are only middling tier too?
Take away tzeetch summon spam.

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>>52057072

>buy a set of Tempestus Scions for my IG; never have before
>using the bareheads option
>some of them have earrings

seriously GW?

>>52058505
To be fair I wouldn't take a paladin against him.

>>52058221
it's another non-player makes a retarded tier list by closely looking at /tg/-memes and forgets half the codices or modern army composition episode

>>52058477
>The second best God to field (after cheesy Tzeentch)
>Trash

>>52058551
Kek

>>52058223
Invalid list

10/8 autocannons

>>52058548
Why don't we just list every army as top tier since they all have one tournament viable list

Why do girls always fucking collect Tyranids?

>>52058545
GUO is good, with ML upgrades and a couple greater gifts he becomes as resilient as he once was and with biomancy he gets access to Iron Arm, Endurance and Warp Speed. He's not nearly the monster he was in CC however.

>>52058572
Even deldar?

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>>52058574
Because they're cute

>>52058553
Doesn't matter which one you take.
Guilliman shits on everything that isn't named scoria and the avatar of khaine (excluding invisible 30k magnus)
He'll even take off more than half the wounds off a fucking warlord titan before it kills him.

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>>52058455
>You don't play much, right?
>If someone plays Tyranids and he have strong option in codex sooner or later he will use it to increase power level of list.
>And even 2 flyrants makes them really strong and hard to beat for some lists.
>Something that for example orks can't do with their codex (only i think FW broken cheap stompa in low-point pts games)
>Codex lack internal balance, but have very strong option - flyrants and cheap troops. They are top-tier, even in friendly tournaments with mixed lists they do very well due to flyrants.

Holy shit... I'm not even going to pick that apart. The whole thing is comedy gold.

This is the funniest shit I've read in months. Thank you.

>>52058225
he has incredible imperium and downright broken ultrasmurf synergy. he will not die by grav spam, he will make others die by grav spam AND bolter spam all the time. not to mention tigurius cheese. scatterbike spam and flying circus are FUCKED, only hope to cheese this cheese is LITERALLY ynnead with maxed out lists.

>>52058584
Let's be real, nobody actually plays smelldar

>>52058574
Ovipositor dildos

Also they are cute.

Beside marines almost every army is girl friendly.

Some how Marines feel boring, in any other setting they would be awesome

>>52058561
I always thought it was Tzeentch, Nurgle, Khorne, Slaanesh in order of highest to lowest

>>52058574
So weird and so true.

Literally every girl I ever seen playing is Tyranid, except a Dark Eldar one.

>>52058572
Orks don't, (pure) Deldar don't.
Ally-tier armies don't.

>>52058565
Thanks.

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>>52058598
:(

>>52058605
But nobody actually plays those armies anon

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>>52058618
:<

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>>52058618
Every second weekend 1800 points of these are taken for walkies.

>>52058641
>unpainted

>>52058648
They get paint when they're all converted enough.

>>52058641
Your anecdotal meta doesn't have as much weight as MY anecdotal meta because I have more experience with mine, therefore nobody plays Orks.

>>52058588
I mean you can take an Acheron led Baronial Court which gives you overwatch and counter attack and let him charge. You can move, flame cannon then overwatch flame cannon

>>52058357

I've sometimes noticed that, if you block cookies for GW sites, it'll sometimes pick a random country to ship to.

Been kind of surprised when looking up the prices or browsing to suddenly find the price listed in SEK or Yen or something. Most annoying thing about that is that resetting the ship-to country also resets the site and takes you back to the main page, clearing all your search filters and page progress.

Was the Farsight Enclaves codex updated like the base Tau codex was?

>>52058600
Slaanesh is better than Khorne in every way (except the shear quantity and quality of models of course).

Daemonettes are one of the best melee units in the game, Seekers are insane for that price.

Also everything is very flexible. They have psychic, can hunt down anything from GEQ to TEQ and even monstrous creatures and vehicles. They are just nice to have.
Slaaneshi Daemonic Artifacts are also very good.

Nurgle can be situationally better than Slaanesh, but definitely you want plenty of Daemonettes to summon.

>>52058641
ghost army

>>52058684
Yes.

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Babby's First Guard. How did I do?

>>52058710
Gotcha! Ty anon

>>52058725
Sorry I can't hear you over my xeno kisses

>>52058725
>posts some of the most outlandish models in the game
>literally everyone thinks these models look retarded
>haha capeshit xD

>>52058669
The flame cannon won't even do one wound, even assuming you get 3 hits on overwatch.
And guilliman will proceed to kill at least 2 of the knights. That also means you're spending 1115 points minimum to kill a 350 point model, and sacraficing at least 740 points worth of models if not more, to just kill one model.

>>52058572
because not every army has. go talk to some blood angel, non-white scar/ultra vanilla marine, deldar, harlequin, ork, chaos space marine (ok, traitor legions changes that), deathwatch player or genestealer cultist.

>>52058574
i also know a female space wolves player

only people who's parents wouldn't let them have pets as kids play nids

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>>52058754
>>literally everyone thinks these models look retarded

Reminder that over half of these shitty models have been on GW's bestseller list and the Stormsurge has been on GW's bestseller list since its release

>>52058772
Just saying if you're running guilliman you'll need something else almost equally as important of a target because I can't see him getting across the board given the matchup

>>52058783
But do you have enough anecdotal proofs to prove anyone actually PLAYS those armies

>>52058590
but he's right, you know?

>>52058802
>>GW's bestseller list
>>>>>GW

>>52058725
The Dreadknight looks fuking stupid, what did GW think ? I swear that model is the only thing that keep me away from GK.

I really like the idea of doing an army fluffed like the minotaurs; basically the High Lord's Kill Team. Any suggestions? I want to avoid all non-dreadnought marine units.

>>52058799
I've always had at least three dogs and two cats and I play nids, what does that say about me?

>>52058809
>Just saying if you're running guilliman you'll need something else almost equally as important of a target because I can't see him getting across the board given the matchup
Which is why you use a tiggy conclave and the AoD powers to teleport him across the board and get a T1 or T2 charge. And still have points left over for a gladius strike force or a bike spam list.

>>52058822

Why would GW lie?

>>52058713
Netlist/10

Leman Russ battle tanks are known to underperform, but they're still fun for you and scary for the opponent

Nothing bad about that list, it's just boring and every other gaurd player plays meltavets in chimeras

>>52058725
I like them all

>>52058839
It's not about GW lying, that statistic is true because the people that buy from the company directly are mutants with poor taste

>>52058839
They did lie to some store owners regarding AoS being a skirimish spinoff to fantasy. Not something made to replace fantasy.

>>52058802
Because they have strong rules, at least the DK, SS, and Ravenwing speeder.

>>52058849

Yeah, I know it's kinda dull. It's my first 1k of guard and I just wanted to make sure I had a good foundation before expanding into more interesting stuff.

>>52058871

nobody care about fantasy/aos they can get away with lie 40k one sm/tau release outsell entire fantasy/aos line they have to treat people with a bit more respect to protect 40k brand

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>>52058825
>learn how to greenstuff
>convert
>???
>profit

>>52058814
yes... out of 6 players I know 1 (me) plays harlequins, 1 plays blood angels and deathwatch, 1 plays orks and 1 plays chaos space marines. In fact i only know 1 guy who doesn't play any of those.

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>>52058901

>>52058605
>pure deldar dont
>same list won 3 of the 4 Gibraltar invitationals, only reason it didnt win the 4th one was it wasn't fielded

>>52058920
>TFW you're one guy who plays 3 of those

>>52058920
So basically nobody, glad we're on the same page

>>52058809
he doesn't really need to get into melee himself. he's just there to make your centurions have devastator doctrine 2 times in a row or let your free drop pods lol list marines have 2 tactical doctrines in a row. he blatantly buffs both these lists, lets them sit on objectives endlessly and is an outstanding melee fucker himself who has to get focussed by the opponent before he makes it into melee, meaning your centurions are more safe. even if he eventually dies with his 2+/3++ fnp (given he doesn't simply ressurrect with d3 wounds) he will have triggerd the one essential doctrine 2 times and the opponent will have used a ridiculus amount of firepower to get him. not to speak of what he can do with beneficial psykers around...

ITT: We fix Orks

>I3

>>52059028
>I4
>Fnp

>>52059028
WS4

>>52059028

>BS4

>>52059028
>5 point boys
>can take 1-4 special weapons per unit
>extra 1 per 10 boyz
>15 point power claws
>3 point 'eavy armour
Tool the ladz up to their teef or, if yer that kind of nutta, run them naked as a swarm.

>>52059028
HoM
+1 attack
I3
fnp

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>>52059028
Da Klanz

Goffs - All boys get +1 WS, W and T.
Waagh-band or Goff Kill Mob

Evil Sunz - All DT now free. You can disembark and charge even if you move more than 6".
Waagh-band or Jalopies! (Always get first turn and get free move at start of the game)

Bad Moons - All upgrades are free. 1 in 5 boys (or all nobs) can take Kustom Mega-Blasta.
Waagh-band or Nazdreg Boys ( All inf.units can DS and scstter with 1 dice. Shoot twice after DS)

Deathskulls - boys and nobs can change they shootas in following:
Pulse Rifle
Bolter of any type
Shuriken Catapult
Tesla Carbines
Access to all vehicle from other codex. It get fast type, open-topped and BS 2.
Waagh-band or Lucky Skull ( All orks get 6+ inv. and 6+ fnp. Failed rolls must be re-rolled)

Blood Axes - Kommandos get steals+shroud, can chardge after reserv. Access to all IG vehicle.
Waagh-band or tacticz mob ( +1 to your reserv roll and -2 enemy. You can enter in 12" from edge of table.)

Snakebites - all orks get 4+ FNP and move, run and charge +4"
Waagh-band or Green Tide.

>>52059028
Waagh! should double a unit's initiative. Shoota boys need a rule that lets them twin link their guns if they stand still. Or maybe fire double the shots during a Waagh? Ramshackle should start at 3+ and downgrade as it loses hullpoints(to represent blowing off excess parts)

>>52059028
>I1

I'm new to the game and decided to start collecting Grey Knights. How horrible a mistake was this?

>>52059028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55pdUjNgwAY

more build your own vehicles

>>52059119

There's...better ways to start. GKs aren't particularly forgiving of new player mistakes.

But if that's the army you want to play the most, it's always the best start.

Can I advertise an e-bay listing here or will it get me banned?

>>52059119
>collecting Grey Knights. How horrible a mistake was this?

not very horrible, pretty easy to paint to a beginner standard, one of the cheapest armies to play at 1850, not top tier but not utterly shit either

>>52057949

>6" move
>cannot enter transports
>no psychic powers
>gets destroyed by grav and plasma

nah

>>52059119
If your opponents don't know how to prioritize targets then you'll be fine. GK are the cheapest army to start.

>>52058574
Can't speak for the rest, but for me they strike a strange balance between cute and hot.
As weird as it sounds, but they are oddly sexy.

>>52059091
And goff is a 15 ppm upgrade right?

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>>52059155

>>52059028
4 point for an Ork.

Anons how do I into mono Khorne Daemons at 1500? I wrote up a list, but I'm not too fond of it, seeing as there's no points for upgrades for the Herald, and without the Soulgrinders I'd have no reliable anti vehicle, either.

1500 Daemonic Incursion

++Murderhost++
-Herald, 55

-8xBloodletters, 800
+Banner of Blood, 160
+Instrument of Chaos, 80

++Forgehost++
Soul Grinder, 405

>>52059184
That hot xeno booty

>>52059133
Really it just depends on how you post it. If someone asks what you're selling it isn't advertising. That being said, what are you selling?

>>52059133

What is it?

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>>52058083

Play Militarum Tempestus and lose all your games

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>>52059008
To fit him into a gladius list would depend quite heavily on what the smallest formation he can be taken with is. Even by himself you're tight on points.

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>>52059225
>>52059231

A load of Very damaged space marine and imperial guard stuff from when I was a kid.

UK sale

Not interested in the stuff anymore really.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302245007806?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

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Hos this look?

>>52058292
/tg/ has two responses.

>it's Shit

>it's so oppppppppp!!1!

There is no inbetween any new model must be decidedly better than any other equivalent unit or it's instantly branded shit.

I think guilliman is pretty damn strong, a knight is probably all around better, but I definitely wouldn't discount papa smurf if I had to go against him

>>52059236

I actually really considered them because "Guard but elite" is a cool idea. But they're both garbage as a standalone army, and expensive as shit to collect.

>>52059274
If I see him on the tabletop the only choice I have is to tarpit him into oblivion, nids have literally no answer for this faggot

>>52059282
>But they're both garbage as a standalone army

Dual CAD purepestus is pretty strong in objective modes, alternatively take coteaz and turn them into respawning melta deepstrikers in castellans

the largest weakness they have is that outside of flamers they have zero ignores cover, which was fixed in castellans detatchment

>expensive as shit to collect.

my one was on par with my tau army for 1850 points, tau cost me around £400, 6 scion boxes, aegis line and a knight gets me to the same

>>52059028
>randomly explode during melee and harm their own units (enemy units are unaffected)

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>>52057082
Crusade on fellow First Born.

>>52059375
>Doks get healing grenades
>heal your units on a 6 plus reroll to confirm
>heals enemy units on everything else

How viable is a Flesh Tearers force built around Stormravens full of Tacs and Assault Marines?

>>52059145
>can be teleported around by tigurius
>implying he won't get a bodyguard unit
>he actually doesn't die to plasma or grav if they're not getting deepstriked next to him.
>who the fuck deepstrikes plasma anyway?
>grav spam reks him -> resurrect next turn and kill them all

>>52059123

Holy shit! That was hilarious as well as impressive.

Fuck the WAAAGH! field, all you need is some bushcrafting skill like this and you'll have an army's worth of technicals in no time.

>>52059028
Any missed hits during the shooting phase or fight sub-phase automatically hit the nearest friendly unit, if no friendly units are in range the unit hits itself and is considered falls back to the nearest table edge

>>52059510
>who the fuck deepstrikes plasma anyway?
>cryingchaosterminators.pict

>>52059527
Valk deepstriking Acolytes with plasmaguns and a Psyker.

Bad as hell but very funny when it works

>>52059028
>controlling player removes casualties anywhere from the unit instead of closest to the shooter/attacker

The boyz are really fired up and rush in to take the place of their fallen kin.

>>52059091
That seems fair.

>>52059510
>grav spam reks him -> resurrect next turn and kill them all
>implying you're not just as likely to fail that resurrect roll (only pass on a 4+) and crying as your spiritual liege was crushed by Cawl's contraption.
>But now you have canned primarch

>>52059091
Wew lad.

>>52058293
>>52058332
>>52058332
These statements may be true, but it doesn't exclude the fact that the vast remainder of the Nid dex sucks. You can argue minmaxed buids, but the reason why Nids aren't on the same page as Tau or Eldar is because Taudar are not stuck in monobuild. They have some flexibility because the majority of their units are pretty solid, with very few truly shitty models. Yeah Nids have the Flyrant, but you can't name anything else in the codex that even comes remotely close. Mawlocs? They die the same turn they arrive if your opponent has a brain at all.

>>52059604
3++ and FNP. Marines finally got their riptide.
Next they'll get Ferrus Manus in a mega lifesupport armor. It has big guns, one-use D-missiles and it can anchor down to shoot twice in the following shooting phase but will be dead to rhinos tank shocking it. :^)

>>52059300
Even Tarpits won't won't work. Swirling flame rule or what ever will ensure that he's not going to be tarpitted for long

>>52059510
>>implying he won't get a bodyguard unit
he cant, he is a MC.

>>52058455
Then can we please just make Flyrants and Tyranids separate armies for the sake of the argument? They're clearly being addressed differently.

>>52059642
>Marines finally got their riptide.

>what are iron hands command squads

>>52059646
He does get a formation that let's him LoS as if he were in their units, but the formation requires a bunch of Sternguard/Vanguard Veterans that can't take transports.

>>52059653
At that point you might as well separate every army other than Eldar into their "power build" and "non-power build" version.

>>52059091

Really like some of those. But Goffs is absurd. Nobody would play anything but goffs.

>>52059671
Exactly.

>>52059671
>>52059682
Seconded.

>>52059654
>not a TEQ

>>52058574

My wife calls my marines "boring", but the first time she saw tyrannids she loved them and looked at every model. She also likes Orks though.

Basically I think most of the setting is too macho and dark but since nids are just crazy animals they can't be judged in that way.

>>52059682
The entire point of a tiers list is to give people a quick, generalized breakdown. Your version would have 50+ entries, with an endless amount of quibbling about where exactly each faction fits in.

>>52059678
Yea, +1T only for nobs i think.

>>52059654
What makes IH command squads so good aside from stormshields?

>>52059701
Killing Harambe was 100% the unequivocal right choice.

>>52059646
i think more of the tyranid formation that lets your tyrant join 2 units of gargoyles

GW, please.

I love Grey Knights. I even collected them back when they were just the Daemonhunters and all of their models were metal. I played them through The Great Bandwagoning of the 5th ed dex. I played through the lean years of 7th ed.

Please make us decent. Do something that justifies our huge overcosting, while still basically just being regular marines swinging force weapons. We need help, GW. Give us help.

>>52059671
>le strong eldar meme
kek

>>52059716
>What makes IH command squads so good aside from stormshields?

I think - and this might be wrong - the 6+ FNP they get from their Chapter Tactics stacks with the 5+ from the Apothecary. So you've got a squad of T5, 3+/3+ save biker guys riding around with 4+ FNP on top. And probably a Librarian making them Invisible or giving them Shrouded as well.

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>>52059708
Despite the fact that the rank of Tyranids goes from bottom to top depending on whether or not they include Flyrants?

>>52059756
you don't. grey knights are literally all right and one of the 'best balanced' armies out there. you have options fo WAACing and options for friendlies. stop crying.

>>52059756
Isn't the new character just a straight buff?

I bet they'll probably also release a new formation or two that you could use.

>>52059760
And yet it's true.

>>52059793

>one of the 'best balanced' armies out there

Three units. GKs, in a competitive sense, have three units. Do you know how fucking dull an army made of nothing but Librarians, GKT and Dreadknights is?

>>52059262
*vomits*

>>52059785
>GW doing mathhammer
My god, perhaps it's learning. If they actually apply thst to codex design, next edition ,ight have a chance at being balanced.

>>52059785
I really want to try out Fallen but a friend of mine is also going for it (he plays DA) and I don't want to seem like I'm hopping on the bandwagon. Other than that, I can't think of a Space Marine faction that really interests me.

>>52059799
not denying it. but even as an eldar you can field non op lists. you only have more options of building waac lists than most other armies, even though their one list everyone is crying about just makes use of 3 units: scatterbikes, warp spiders and a wraithknight. just saying.

>>52059782
Would you ever roll biomancy for Iron Arm?

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>eldar players

>>52059830
convince him that it's better if you play the fallen because how the fuck does it make sense to play both dark angels and the fallen. or is he into playing solo games?

My shot at an accurate tier list

I'll just pick anything and have fun and competitivity whatsoever tier
Tau
Loyalist SM
Eldar

I'll go for my monobuild and try to win tournaments and shit tier
Nids
Renegades
Deathstars
Summoning lists

How do I not get tabled if I fall against one of the previous tiers ? Tier
Any other codex/build

Please play a nice list I play ... Tier
Orks
Horde nids

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>>52059830
>trip

>>52059851
Oh I love his hair.

>>52059858
He wouldn't ally them. He only plays Dark Angels at the moment and wants to play Fallen in other games.

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>>52059851

How many time meltabombs are used in melee ? Only one or as much as the model has attack ?

>>52059851
Why? How empty your life must be to turn into this kind of attention whoring.

>>52059870
wrong

top 3 all have a distinct set of units/formations that win them tournaments. you can't just pick anything and expect to win even against orks with them either.

>>52059897
Only one and one attack.

>>52059897
read the fucking rules. they are even linked in the OP.

>>52059926
Eldar you can literally pick whatever, the only actually weak units are Storm Guardians and Wraithblades, everything else is perfectly serviceable.

>>52059937
>>52059941
Thanks

>>52059793
Except Grey Knights is a tiny codex with probably the worst internal balance in the game. (Of entries to balance)

Them wanting their dozen options to be at least viable is completely fair.

>Or if not, then Tyranids are fine because Flyrants are good. And Dark Eldar are fine because Eldar exist. And Thousand Sons are fine because Magnus exists. Etc. Etc.

>>52059716
>>52059782

>4+ FNP

you are close but not quite right

apothecary for 5+ FNP
iron hands for 4+
gorgon decurion for 3+ if near the warlord
warlord joins them
on bikes with SS

T5 bikes with 3+ 3++ 3+ FNP and a good amount of firepower and melee damage

add in a librarius conclave for invis

>>52058915

I wish I could do that. I wish so badly I could do that.

>>52059262

>Anyone want to buy this giant pile of shit?

>>52059987
It seems like Scions suffer from a similar problem. They have very few options, but those options aren't very good.

>>52059699
>riptide is a TEQ

what

>>52060016
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Riptide is "OP". It's not. They're the Tau's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Kroot are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If Tau auxiliaries had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Tau player would know that some well supported fire warrior unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Tau players complain about "muh Battlesuits or muh Riptides" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the battle suits. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Tau players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

>>52060015
>but those options aren't very good.

deep strike move through cover basic infantry with BS4 and 2 special weapons for 70 points, which can now respawn

they are very potent unless you fuck up

>>52060007

3+? I once played with this and smashfucker for 2+. It's really scary.

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Taking this list against two friends, who will be bringing 750 pts of their respective armies (Necrons and CSM).

I was kinda sad I couldn't fit a First Curse in there somewhere. Rate and tell me what you think.

>>52059184
I wanna fuck that bug

>>52060070

> 1502 points

TRIM IT

>>52060051
I agree with you but why did you hijack a different conversation to make that point and then go on to talk shit about everyone's favorite furry snipers

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>>52060070
Forgot to mention:

The Magus is going to be hanging out with the 11 man squad of Neophytes, and the Iconward is going with the Abberants or one of the Acolytes

If you play a netlist outside of a competitive money on the line tourney you should neck yourself

Admech players, how do you go about dealing with Genestealer Cults? There's a chap at my FLGS who runs a largely mechanised list with several ML2 Magi summoning in genestealer blobs, plus lascannon teams in chimeras outflanking. They basically just get to pick two units to kill. Currently running an Elimination Maniple plus Dominus Maniple and some melee stuff and Rangers in a Skit Maniple at 1200. I have pretty much a whole Warconvo, plus some Inquisitors and acolytes and a couple other Dragoons and such.

>>52060070
>1502
Cheating fag

>>52060089
Because old meme