/hhg/ aka Horus Heresy General

>>52029156
I think it's actually more Thousand Witches now.
But http://www.strawpoll.me/10558764 is tainted by Alpha sabotage.
>>52029187
Wasn't there a NEW poll?

First for Sekhmet spam

>>52029202
Second for Sehkmet spam

Fuck, was pressing "post" away from making a new thread. Well, like always, all my hard work was for nothing.

>>52029228
>>52029202
>First comment in the thread calls you the witches you are
Kek, fuck those witches.

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>>52029244
Been there more times than I'd like to admit.
Which breadbaker are you?
And mind still sharing your version of the summary, please? I've got (You)s ;^)

For the record, if someone is going to do a summary he should call it first, to avoid confusions.

In the end, I will be there. For the final battle. For dinner time.

>>52029290
>Which breadbaker are you?

I dunno, I just make 'em when nobody else does.

>>52029229

Red is copyrighted by Khorne. Tzeentch decided it would be easier to just change his dude's armor color scheme to his own rather than fill out the paperwork.

Where's the link for Inferno RAWs?
I wasn't around for the last few days.

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What do 30k graviton imploders look like? This one is a conversion beamer.

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>>52029389
Check the archive/4plebs?

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why do we have two threads again

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>>52029445
I think it's this thing.

>>52029453
I agree with the others - other than the """suboptimal""" loadout, there's really very little way to tell that's a chaplain - give that bitch a skullhelm, bitches love skullhelms

>>52029496
I haven't actually written any background for this guy yet or even made up a name so he might not end up being a chaplain. I just wanted to make an angry terminator with a mace.

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>>52029486
Whaaat, it's too barrely. Can that even fit a Myrmidon's arm?
>Sponson mounted yet has effectively less firing arc than the hull-mounted weapon
REEEEEEEEEEE fucking REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>52029537
I love this facial expression. Do it all the time.

The chain of heresy is what will truly bind this galaxy together as one.

>>52029544
Nope, can't really fit, build your own. I'd personally use Kataphron Heavy Cannon, although SM grav-cannons may be good enough sans eagles. The sponsons thing is odd, but it does mean you can drop both Irrad Engines onto one squad, for when you REALLY need that 20-man Tac blob gone.

Magnus: I'm already a daemon. The Imperium's not my kind of place, anyway.

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>>52029561
>I believe in no Omnissiah, no fleshy avatar of the Machine God in Terra. But there is something more powerful than each of us, a combination of our efforts, a Great Chain of industry that unites us. But it is only when we struggle in our own interest that the chain pulls society in the right direction. The chain is too powerful and too mysterious for any "Emperor" to guide. Any man who tells you different either has his hand in your pocket, or a bolter to your neck.
http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/File:Andrew_Ryan_-_The_Great_Chain.ogg

>>52029606
>build your own
Do you think people will cry "Heretek!" if I put the sponsons at the sides of the Macrocarid, like the Machine God wills?

Why is Death Guard sworn brothers to Night Lords?

>>52029137

Just looked at his rules. Damn, that's a lot of specific army buffs that add up to a surprisingly non-focused character. Would probably be better with a regular 4++, though, even if the Repulsor is a sight better against D weapons and similar. If he had EW and was otherwise unchanged I would run him for sure, but he looks too pricy and flimsy to work in normal games. Would be a hell of a Warmaster in Apoc, though, where armies are versatile enough to benefit from all those and he can NOPE that big pile of Slay the Warmaster points. I think I'll make the model interchangable, have his Maxim bolter interchangeable for a Chainfist arm for my usual Archimandrite build.

>>52029729

Probably not, but IMO having them on the front is probably superior when Torrent lets you reach six miles in any direction. Macrocarid with a Flare is very much a linebreaker tank, like a Spartan version of the Land Raider Redeemer. You drive up, disembark the Myrmidons, pick two units within 18" and tear them to bloody shreds at will. Also, hot damn that model is sexy.

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>>52029211
>implying we won't see it in every TS army list
Plus the point is that it's a lot more than 100 bullets or even 100 magazines to outfit a hundred veteran tactical marines's bolters and bolt pistols with them. And there are more than 100 veteran tactical marines in the Thousand Sons, even before we account for the termies and rotor cannons. That means there will be a LOT of super-special super-rare bullets being made.
Logically, if 10% of the legion can be armed with these things, then around 10% of their ammunition production is going to be made up of these things, if what will happen on the tabletop reflects the fluff in any reasonable way. These things are probably more numerous in the 10,000 strong legion than mundane Seeker rounds are in the 100,000 strong legions!

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>>52029747
I seriously don't know. For the record, considering how it's NL who are Sworn to them but the opposite isn't true, I think they simply admire their edgyness in using all manner of people-melting munitions, but the DG don't return that kindness and think them too deranged and soooo not Horus to like them as much.

That's why NL can Outflank their DG allies, but DG can't Infiltrate their NL allies.

>>52029674
>I am Horus Lupercal, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is an Adeptus Astartes not entitled to the sweat of his brow? "No,", says the Emperor, "it belongs to me." "No," says Lorgar, "it belongs to the Gods." "No" says the Fabricator-General "it belongs to the Omnissiah." I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... heresy. A galaxy where the remembrancer would not fear the censor; where the apothecary would not be bound by petty morality; where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, heresy can become your galaxy as well.

>>52029792

If Mort and Curze were cool with each other, then I guess it makes sense for their Legions to get along.

>NL can outflank their DG allies, but DG can't infiltrate their NL allies

I mean, any character with scout will let a squad outflank, but the whole squad needs infiltrate in order to infiltrate.

>>52029747
Morty and Curze were bros.

Also both legions are likely nihilists and have a dark sense of humor

>>52029846
But Horus hated remembrancers

>>52029772
He could indeed use a 2+ or an actual invuln better, but at least he denies Slay the Warlord on a fucking 3+.
And he's the only way to bring an ArchDominus and a Djinn-skein.
>T5 6W is too flimsy
It all started with Sigismund and those fucking Salamander Praetors.
Either EW was a mistake or not also giving it to Kharn, Abaddon, Sevatar and as a buyable option to Mechanicum was.
And I'm inclined to the former.
>When everyone is an Eternal Warrior...no one will be.

>>52029902
He only hated nosy ones; he left one alive to record all his conquests before sending him to Dorn

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>>52029846
Thank you.
>>52029902
Change it to
>where the Magos would not fear the Malagra
and it'll be cool

Since the other thread isn't as popular, I'll ask here.

How common were MKIV assault Marines for night lords? Night Raptors use MKV armor, but given the fluff about them, they seem like they came along later.

I ask because I'm debating getting a 20man squad of assmarines, which are the MKIV. Personally, I think NL look best in MKIV armor, but I like the dual turbine look of II and V better.

>>52029453
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>>52029960
>I think NL look best in MKIV armor, but I like the dual turbine look of II and V better.
Then use both. "Because I like it", that's all the reason you need

>>52029960
Mark IV is what the main patterns of Mark V were based on, sure go for it.

You see that in the vid-captures? That's an archaeotech pistol - don't bother trying to dampen the recoil. You do that with a volkite serpenta. We Thousand Sons are now a force to be reckoned with. We've got the galaxy's attention. We're not some penal battalion, so don't act like one! You will learn how a real warrior fights. You will forget everything the past has taught you. And if I catch you doing something else, you'll know it... Ritual scrimshawing gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever... But that was some fancy shooting... pretty good.

Horus and heresy, heresy and Horus... All those years of study, and was I ever truly an apothecary before I met them? How we plinked away with our nartheciums and toy morality. Yes, we could augment a man here, and plug another to a dreadnought, but... but could we really change anything? No. But heresy gives us the means to do it. And Horus frees us from the phony ethics that held us back. Change your Toughness, change your Strenght, change your FnP. It's yours to change, nobody else's.

>>52029990
>Mark IV is what the main patterns of Mark V were based on

?

Only thing really MkIV about the V is that it uses solid plate armour instead of segmented like MkII and III. Just about everything else uses older mark technology.

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>>52030029
Do we really have to have this every thread? Nobody was replying to you last thread, which should have been a hint.

>>52029923
Got those stats the wrong way round, there. It's not that he's exactly flimsy, it's that any pleb with a Paragon Blade can kill him and any other Magos save Scoria and Decima with one 6 To Wound, no saves allowed in his case. personally, I'd prefer a nerf to ID, where it does D3 or D3+1 wounds. That way it won't be oneshotting Archmagi and expensive Praetors nearly as much, without needing to stick Eternal Warrior on everyone worth more than 65 points.

The denying StW is nice, but you still lose a fuckton of buffs for almost no effort on your opponent's part, he can't fight for shit.

>>52029980

The problem is getting MKV packs, unless I go chinaman.

>>52029990

I think I'll give it a shot, then. It'll also make my Raptors decidedly different if I ever decide to use them. They're just so points heavy, though.

>>52030059
>The problem is getting MKV packs, unless I go chinaman.

Biggest problem are the legs. Just about everything else can be gotten from plastic bits, depending how autistic you want to get with adhering to FW designs specifically. MkVII legs with cables and rivets have worked as MkV legs forever. Hell, if you really want to trigger people, in the old fluff MkIV armour materials and cabled were used when available, meaning on external cabling on limbs nor need for extra plating riveted on. MkIV helmets were also used at time. So your MkV could just be a MkVII with X-cable torso, rimless pads and a MkIV helmet.

>>52030044
Citation needed.

The point anyway is that Mark IV can be easily converted to look like the "Mark V" style.

>>52030117
>in the old fluff
Where's the "new fluff"?

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>>52030138

>>52030052
If he had a Magos version of the 40k Kastellanbot invuln (4++ repulsion on 6's) it'd be nice.
And before anyone says that'd be OP, remember Scoria is T6 W5 too but also has 2+/3++ EW, IWND, FnP and the fucking Vhodian Scepter, WS5 I-fucking-5 and five ranged weapons on top of that.

Srsly, 30k is fucking 40k now.

>>52030156
Where's this from?

The Warp changed everything. It destroyed our bodies, our minds. We couldn't handle it. Best friends butchering one another, babies strangled in cribs. The whole planet went to hell.

>>52030165
White Dwarf 129, Space Marine Armour.

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>>52030138
>Where's the "new fluff"?

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First custodian painted!

>>52030164
Yeah, that seems nicer. Make it work in CC, too, since that means he at least has a slight chance to tank a Paragon Blade hit rather than "Rolls two dice" - Dead. Scoria is pretty much the single combat version of him, with way less buffs, but because Satarael doesn't actually focus his buffs on anything in particular he's rather useless. Scoria is too against a competent opponent, but at least he doesn't have to die like a bitch before his benefit only occurs 66% of the time.

>>52030221
Congrats golden boy, looks nice.
Now fix that base.

>>52030310
>He's walking in this offworld mud that has reflective properties, so wherever he steps it looks as if the mud was gold

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>>52030310
dont worry thats the next step!

>>52030156
So it's the Mark IV design with gaps filled in with Mark 2 and 3 components where Mark IV components aren't available. Not Mark 2 re-skinned, not "everything Mark II except the armour plates".
Trying to say otherwise is stretching the semantics and/or misinterpreting the statement that "the mark 5 used as many pre-Mark 4 components as possible" to mean "designers went out of their way to shove as much obsolete technology into the design that did not fit it", rather than "the designers used as much pre-existing technology as they could rather than waste time designing new sub-par components for temporary use and building entirely new production lines on Forge Worlds to make this armour that they don't intend to use for longer than they need to".

>>52030219
Do you have a better pic of this? It's illegible in parts.

Anyway the bottom corner literally says "incorporated what Mark IV advancements could be salvaged while falling back on the more readily available and familiar materials and components of Mark II and III".

>>52030371
Something like that. Idea being that the MkIV was still new and not a lot of facilities were capable of making them or had the resources for it. So you use what's available and what most facilities are familiar with, and mix it with all the stuff from MkIV you can use, like the solid plate design.

>Do you have a better pic of this?

Nope, it's the best I've been able to find. People with the 7e Limited Edition SM codex have not scanned the cards and posted them online.

>>52030221
Gold looks neat, you gonna paint the gems?

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Which primarch is most like a sloth?

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>>52030644
Perty

>>52030644
Dorn.

Laziest motherfucker ever.

Spent entire heresy sitting on his ass on Terra

>>52030644
>likes being high up
>long curved claws
>doesn't achieve shit
Corax.

>>52030702
Dorn is a beaver.

>>52030709
Well, can't argue with that

>>52030532
yeah not sure what color though

>>52030763
Blue is the most common, purple could work too I guess.

>>52030800
also green.

>>52030221
no power effect on the guardian spearhead? not a criticism but custodes can be a little flat. How did you do the gold, agrax over retributor?

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>>52030644
>>52030702
>>52030709
>spends most of the time sleeping like it's dead.
>Vulkan, is that you

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Let say one wants to make a Siege of Terra era army with a few MkVII suits in the mix. Just to have a taste of 30k era MkVII. Naturally MkVII legs, arms, pads and torsos with aquilas on them are part of the deal. But what helmet design is the most iconic MkVII (excluding any decorations, etc.)?

>>52031328
The top middle one is my favourite for "generic" Mark VII.
I like seeing all the variety they have.

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>>52031328

>>52031386
>8/10 astartes approve

>>52031453
The other two must be beakies hearing the voices in their bolters.

What do we know about the DAngels Dreadwing?
Just lots of Destroyers, Rad and Phosphex weapons or is there more to them?
Hoping for more Wings in Anegelus in general but I'm mostly interested in the Dreadwing. Dark Angels aesthetic combined with WMD just sounds lovely.

>>52031623
I think they had more weird & funky tech than just rad and phosphex. But still very, very destructive, and likely to leave the area a mess afterwards.

>>52031623
Dreadwing Protocol
Effects
Scour and Cleanse: A detachment using this Rite of War must take Legion Destroyer Squads as their compulsory Troops choices, and may take Legion Destroyer Squads as additional Troops choices.
Mechanised Assault: Any model that can take a Rhino may take a Land Raider Proteus as a dedicated transport, any that exceeds the transport capacity to do so may take a Spartan Assault Tank.
We have come, we are Death: When two or more units from this detachment assault the same unit in the assault phase, they get +1 attack.
The Green Fire: Any character with the Legiones Astartes (Dark Angels) special rule can take a Phosphex Bomb for 10pts
In Their Element: Moritats lose the Lone Killer special rule
Restrictions
With the exception of the Moritat and Siege Breaker types, only a single Consul may be taken as an HQ
One Heavy Support slot is compulsory, and must be filled by a unit with the Tank type
Only one fast attack slot allowed
No unit in the Dreadwing is Scoring
No Allies or Fortifications

>>52031724
If destroyers weren't shit that could be pretty awesome

>>52031760
Not my fault, plus, if destroyers are so bad that you're not interested in taking them, why would you want to play destroyer wing anyway?

>>52031724
None of them are Scoring? How would they deal with objective games, then? Seems like you're starting with a pre-crippled Primarch's Chosen, there.

>>52031760
It's not that they are shit, It's just everything they do is done by something else for cheaper and more efficiently......

Okay they are kind of shit.

The only army I have come up with that can use them in some form other than Affirmative Action squads is only good vs unarmed civilians and buildings.

>>52031797
Because the concept of Destroyers is cool. They are scorched earth skirmish troops. But in execution, they are bad at both Skirmish and scorched earth roles.

>>52031328
I think the "Cheap" and "Poor" configurations of the GW*tm Tactical Space Marine 40.000 Boxset Helmets best suit your needs. I think that their 'Betrayal at Macrage' GW*tm Tactical Space Marine 40.000 Boxset (30.000 with vertical slotted faces Edition) works best with that you're on about.

It's totally fine dood. If you want us to validate your poor choices, you need to realize that you don't need that validation. Just strip your 40k Space Marine army and paint it red, put in 3 mono-pose Contemptors and I think you have what you're looking for.

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>>52031829
>How would they deal with objective games, then?
If the enemy is dead and his world is ashes, what's left to score? Kind of like those Surlak lists do.

>>52031833
>Because the concept of Destroyers is cool.
Well, there you are, now you can take two squads of them without bothering with Tacs, Assaults or Breachers.

>>52031888
>army of S5 WS3 I3 T3 inductii vs army of destroyers where neither can score
I'd watch that.

>>52031855
That's a lot of elitism from someone that doesn't know how to do this™.

>>52031829
>How would they deal with objective games, then?
Take a scoring LoW.

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>>52031833
I wish they had some kind of special boltweapon. Going to war, and most precisely to scorched earth missions armed with only a pair of bolt pistols is dumb in the extreme.
I'm also looking at you, Moritats.

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>>52031328
Old marine models seem to have helmets similar to the second helmets.

>>52031940
Better than a bolt pistol and a fucking chainsword.

>>52031915
Inductii are S6 with Rage, and their RoWs either give them Hatred or FnP5+. FnP4+ if they're with an apothecary.
So they still have a save against rad missiles and they're angry enough that their punches hurt more than a marine with rad grenades.
In fact they hit harder than a fucking Heavy bolter, denying FnP rolls and armour saves for mortals, who are simply bisected without a say.

>>52031940
Somehow DG flamer support squads with close combat weapons, rad grenades and chem-ammo feel more like Destroyers than actual Destroyers.

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>>52031918
It's not an issue of Elitism. It's that the question already is begging the answer.

A "Siege of Terra Era Army"..... with MkVII....

So, the question doesn't say what Legion the one who is asking loves. Doesn't imply he has a thing for a particular Primarch. Doesn't say which figure, faction or aspect of the fluff he is rooting for or attached to.

It is a blatant, crumby, pig-faced attempt to try and get people to say "Nah nah nah~ It's fine~!!! Use your 40k army against me after being striped and repainted." Or worse, that the person asking the question has enough money to start a new army, but isn't willing to save a little more to get proper Heresy Era marks of armor.

Real talk. There is ONE legion you can do. Imperial fists. All the rest have little-to-no access to MkVII. NO OTHER LEGION should have MkVII is ANY kind of numbers. NO traitor legion should have ANY.

All the loyalist legions on Terra look better in MkVI and earlier. Only Scars should have extensive 'MkV'.

That person needs to get out of his ass, stop hiding, and ask real questions, such as:

"Would people mind if I turned up with a fully plastic 40k army I had organised into AoD charts?"

>>52031623
Read angels of Caliban.
It's got a lot of dreadwing in it

>>52031964
Killing mortals is easy enough, but Destroyers aren't tasked with killing mere mortals
>Destroyer legionnaire, your job is to destroy that xeno abomination so deadly we've given you clearance to use a plethora of forbidden weapons
>Unless you're a sergeant or the designated specialist weapons operator, "plethora" means lots of rad grenades even the guy who fixes rhinos has
>Rad grenades only work in melee, though, so we've saved you the trouble and confiscated your bolter. You'll be issued yet another bolt pistol.
>"So I must kill the horrible xenos with a pistol and a knife?"
>And rad grenades
>"Yeah those too. But I gotta do it in melee?"
>Yes.
>"...can I at least have my bolter back?"
>No.

>>52032030
>Somehow
No, THAT's how.
Grave Wardens are the true destroyers, and they don't need bullshit fleshbane missiles, just mere WW1 poison gas

>>52031897

And burn 720 pts doing it!

>>52032045
He said "a few Mk VII suits", you have some issues.

>>52032080
HELL YEAH!
>>52032097
He apparently has a "Thing" for his Primarch for a start.
Primarchs are not for sexual.

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>>52032045

>My techmarine was actually the guy who invented Vengeance rounds from his battlefield experience, and his works simply spread in the later years.
Now switch the words "Vengeance rounds" for "MkVII" :^)
Both arguments are shit, and should be avoided

>>52032097
Stop pretending it isn't you.

If I turned up and someone had plastic MkIV mixed 50/50 with MkVII I would be like "Okay..." and internally be like 'feelsbadman'.

You're not doing something in a purely narrative driven subset of an already largely fluff-driven hobby out of your love of a legion or character. You want validation to use whole 40k kits where they don't belong.

My advice is to save some more money, and do it in the MkIII and MkIV plastics.

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>>52032121
>Primarchs are not for sexual.
I TOLD YOU THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN FEMALES, MY LORD!
t. Malcador

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>>52032060
>>52032076

Oh, give it up, amateurs. Take your entirely irrelevant on this scale Legions and Primarchs back to Terra, this is our war crime.

>>52032140
>My Forge Lord OC Doughnutsteel was the guy who inveted mass-production of grav-weapons, that is why I can have support squads and heavy support squads full with 40k grav guns and cannons.
>It is totally for the fluff you guys, stop making fun of me

Can a kind anon share the "beep boop fuck the loyalists" meme?

I can pay with one of my highest quality (You)s

>>52032045

>only scars should have extensive MK V

Remember how the fists lost like half the legion at Phall


Yeah they might have some too

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>>52032208
>my legion invented mass production of assault cannons that's why we can put assault cannons on heavy support squads and rhinos and land speeders and all over dreadnoughts
HA HA WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT

>>52032221
Or when the BAngels had to fight through hordes of daemons that might have just straight up burned/melted/dissolved/raped pieces of armour?

>>52032221
Lost as in DEAD.

Not a prolonged, drawn out, multiple minor battles and raids and skirmishes over the course of years, like the scars, but tens of thousands of marines dying in hours, the survivors of which are, in every possibility, NOT going to reach Terra in time for the siege.

Tell me again, how I was wrong, and that Imperial fists should have MkV at terra?

>>52032054
Will do. Thanks.

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So, what's a good setup for Imperial Fists terminators? Cataphractii, shields, fists? Assault cannon worth it?

>>52032276
Seeing as technically a suit of MK II with an MK IV boot and shoulderplate is MK V, yes.

>>52032276

Because if half the legion is flat out dead, why on earth would you think the other half isn't completely shot to shit?

And keep in mind after Phall the Fists did the solar campaign for years, so they've had plenty of time to get their toys ruined

>>52032158
Surprised that the Emperor didn't consider it, he seems pretty proud of the SoS, though what the hell he does to them to turn them into angry silent man hating bitches I don't know.

>>52032276
Considering that Pollux > Perturabo (maybe) I don't think it was as bad for the Fists as you're >implying, plus marines could have died in boarding actions (i.e. multiple minor battles and raids and skirmishes) but the ship they were on got away.

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>>52032221
>>52032268

Dur GUIEZ, I need MkVII kitbashes in my army, so i'm going to ignore the fact that:

A) Imperial fists largely are not engaged in long-term conflicts where limited and functional repairs of armor are necessary.

and

B) that the Blood Angels fought ONE major engagement, which in all likely hood did not deplete their stock of replacement components, nor leave their tech marines tending other marines at a 1:100s if not 1:1000s ratio like other, far more battered legions over the course of years. Not to mention a long stop-off in one of the Galaxies most stable, well equipped and still loyal neighborhoods for a year or so before going back to Terra.

STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR MKVII IN YOUR ARMY. THERE IS NONE.

>>52032342
>what the hell he does to them to turn them into angry silent man hating bitches I don't know.
Invent space!tumblr?

>>52032300
Powerfists and chainfists seem the best melee weapon options. No frag grenades means swinging at initiative 1 most of the time anyway, and Str 8 is great for fisting 2W terminators and vehicles. But some people prefer to go for poweraxes because it costs less points.

Shields seem especially good if the terminators deepstrike/have a ride.

Assault cannon is better than the other options, except maybe for the plasma blaster. But at least an assault cannon doesn't blow up the terminator holding it as well.

>>52032300
well, if you want a setup I've seen used for zone mortalis with devastating effect:

3 shields, 1 assault cannon, 1 combi-melta, 2 claws 3 chainfist.

>>52032327
And stationed around half a dozen or so primary, plate-manufacturing forgeworlds still in the Terran Sphere.

I am fortifying this position.

>>52032358
>Imperial fists largely are not engaged in long-term conflicts where limited and functional repairs of armor are necessary.
You do know they're one of the siege legions right? Because a long drawn out conflict is exactly what a siege is.

>>52032358

>A) Imperial fists largely are not engaged in long-term conflicts where limited and functional repairs of armor are necessary.

You mean like a siege of the most important Forge world in the Galaxy

>>52032208
I now feel like I've been a horrible cheapskate looking to get some 40k Grav-cannon for my Myrmidons and custom Archmagos. Odd, since they actually do have grav weaponry.

>>52032365
Don't be thicc

>>52032045
I use mk7 helmets here and there and Godwyn bolters for Iron Hands.

>>52032375

Yeah that's why they risked the strength of the remaining legion to extract the Mk7 suits from mars

>>52032158

I wish I were a female Primarch.

>>52032392
I'm not sure they hate men especially more than they hate women.

>>52032419
Why?
What would you do?

>>52032375

Considering Mk4 production stopped completely after the heresy broke out, yeah they probably made a bunch of production MkV before they got around to Mk7

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Anyone got ideas for making pyramid terrain? Can't think of anything like a cereal box that is pyramid shaped.

>>52032413
They sent one company with orders not to engage where not necessary to recover containers full of suits which were then used over the course of like 500 years, not because they needed fresh outfits, but because it was their only known possible batch-source of plate and couldn't afford Horus picking it up when he attacked the solar system.

>>52032436

I would post on /tg/.

>>52032458
http://wonderfuldiy.com/wonderful-diy-pyramid-gift-box/

>>52032458
Boxy pyramids are best pyramids.

>>52032481
Can't, and aren't you doing that anyway.
>>52032487
I love that you can ask /tg/ anything and they'll give you an answer.

>>52032488

Ziggurats > Pyramids

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

>>52032488
>What is that cereal box doing on the table ? And why is it covered in sand ?
>It's a piramid, you idiot.

>>52032508
I was thinking more latin american pyramids, but that's fine.
>>52032545
Kek.

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>>52032371
>>52032370
Cool, I'll keep those in mind. Thanks m8s.

>>52032458
Cast little plaster bricks, and build them yourself.

Bonus points for including sealed catacombs inside them that no one will see.

>>52030644
Konrad, just think about it for a moment.

>>52032629
I mean, he has the claws, and the unwashed hair.

>>52032616
The pyramids of prospero were made of glass, outside of the louvre where am I gonna get a glass pyramid? I don't even know fucking trigonometry how am I gonna make one? There's got to be soem product that comes in a pyramid box?

>>52032649

>buy a fucking necron monolith
>cast it in clear, transparent resint
>???
>profit

>>52032649
>take square
>cut in half diagonally
>take another similarly sized square
>cut in half diagonally
>fit the pieces together

>>52032649
>I don't even know fucking trigonometry
You realize you have to be 18 to post here, right?

>>52032045
I didn't give more detail because you don't need it. My only question was what MkVII style helmet is the most generic and iconic of them all. And as >>52031946 pointed out, the second helmet is similar to the old MkVII marines.

I have no idea how the legion I'm going to field them in will effect the style of helmet. As for everything else in your long rants, I never said anything to that effect or even implied it, so stay mad over nothing. I won't argue for or against your strawmen.

>>52032155
Sorry to disappoint, this is literally my second post in this thread.

>>52032358
So, even though MkVII came into service during the Siege of Terra, no legion would put it on? No BA, Fist or Scars unit would think to exchange their crappy old suits, damaged in battle, to brand new suits fresh out of the factory? No Marine got their suit destroyed and only option was a suit from the reserves. No traitor unit found containers of MkVII suits on Terra and decided to put them to use? None. The suits were just made and stored, waiting for the Heresy to be over so that they could be distributed and not anger the gods of autism.

>>52032642
See, this guy gets it.

>>52032649
>google "plexiglass pyramid"
>find a store that sells one to your specifications
>purchase

>>52032649
Aren't Prospero pyramids kinda McLargeHuge for a tabletop?

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>>52032685
Dude,

I said before. You don't need us to validate your 40k army with a Horus Heresy label on the top of your battlescribe. Go for it. Stop asking us if it's okay. It's what you're going to do, so it's irrelevant.

Just know that the majority of people you will play against with proper armies will think "..meh.." and not be hyped playing against you. If online fluff discussions and someone online, me, pointing out why your plastic tactical marines don't fit with the fluff makes you annoyed, then for goodness sake, don't bring it up in real life at a store or tabletop, you might cry.

The biggest let down is that you are not attached enough to a Legion, in a narrative driven clique of tabletop, to want to pursue that legion's archetypal image. (In which MkVII does NOT feature).

>>52032749
I think the Warlord Titan already proved that there is no such thing as 'Too large for minature gaming'

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>>52032248
Dammit
>My Warsmith invented mass production of Shrapnel bolts but they aren't giving the expected results so we don't bother with them anymore and use missile launchers instead.
>And being the Irons Havocs starting munitions the Alpha fuckers can steak that as well.

>>52032649
>don't even know fucking trigonometry
>wants pyramids
>for an army of sorcs who use sacred geometry

try the melee race, they don't know trigonometry either

>>52032779
I never asked any of those questions, because you don't need that info. I asked about a style of helmet. Everything else is in your head and I'm not responsible for you triggering yourself with strawmen.

>>52032679
>have to be 18 to post here

cos everyday you need to be working out the fucking dimensions of triangles right?

>>52032677
thats expensive and monoliths aren't pyramids.

>>52032816
>my forgelord was responsible for the invention of rotor cannons
>is that why he's a blackshield?
>...no

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>>52032391
Nah, they actually have grav. Anon's example was regular Legion Heavy support squads getting access to graviton imploders.
Then again
>My Primarch was very good with technology so my Legion Tactical support squads can get graviton weapons.
IH do what they want and give no fucks.

>>52032842
>cos everyday you need to be working out the fucking dimensions of triangles right
wait, do you not?

>>52032060
Top work.
Destroyers were utterly botched.

So what would have happened had Magnus simply teleported himself up to Leman Russ's ship before the censure fleet began bombarding prospero?

>>52032909
Nothing intredasting

>>52032909
They would have set sail home and locked Magnus in a room with nothing but every SoS they brought with them to keep him company.

>>52032789
Imperator Titan plastic cosplay when?

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>>52032824
You don't have any information to offer. You don't have any proper back story, head cannon, or reasoning. You heard somewhere that MkVII was around at the end of the Heresy, so you're using that as a reason to half-ass a legion.

I recon you're doing either Deathguard or Blood Angels. What would be even funnier would be if you were doing a loyalist legion which wasn't even at the siege and still thought you could use more than ONE MkVII helmet in your whole army.

It's not a strawman, it's you.

I repeat:

>I said before. You don't need us to validate your 40k army with a Horus Heresy label on the top of your battlescribe. Go for it. Stop asking us if it's okay. It's what you're going to do, so it's irrelevant.

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>>52032140
so you're also the muppet I triggered trying to bring a character from the fluff (that I didn't even make) to tabletop. It's funny how forgeworld is derided for crappy rules and not seeking feedback, but suddenly when some anon decides they like a character out of a book and wants to actually get feedback and playtest an idea, for narrative games only no less, they're a powergaming faggot.

stay mad/10 and enjoy the (you)

>What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little newfag? I'll have you know I made my siege of Terra Imperial Fists in recast Mark 2 made of solid gold

>>52032956
I don't have to offer you shit, because it has no bearing on the question. You have my question and it's a very simple question. Everything else is your own fabrication to build this strawman to argue against and I will not fight figments of your imagination.

>>52032909
Would've been forced to watch the TS and Prospero get blown away before being shipped to Terra.

>>52032938
SoS probably can't touch Magnus in the same way they do nothing to the Emperor despite being in the palace. I think they probably cease being useful by 40k since they can't stop daemons or daemon princes.

>>52033010
Hey anon, can you please tell us about your army's fluff?

>>52032996
Recasts?

I commissioned Forgeworld to make 40 personalized character molds capable of 18 karat gold castings for my two tactical squads. Pff. Poorfag. Recasts.

On a serious note though, you shouldn't use MkVII in your army. What's the point of playing 30k if you do? It doesn't belong, it doesn't look as good, and it is almost impossible without pulling mary-sue fluff out of your ass.

>>52033082
18 karat? you fucking slumdog. 24 karat or gtfo.

>>52033106
House rule: any model made entirely out of gold gets the rules for Custodian Armour, or the Auric Armour if it's an IC.

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Hello again, guys. It's the guy who was going to make a Stormbird out of a whale model, but apparently the one I wanted doesn't ship from America to the UK, so RIP that project. I'm oddly gutted. I guess I'll see if another one shows up, but after I couldn't try to get that one for a while thanks to random bills, finding out it wasn't an option is a pain.

>>52033137
*Or Aquillon armour if it's a termie
>>52033145
Well, it's interesting how you weren't told up front.

House rule: MkVII have a 4+ armor save, -1 Leadership and must be unpainted.

The owner of said Models must also suck their opponent's dick and drink a pint of liquid resin.

I make my destroyers out of uranium for maximum realism.

>>52033173
Hey /k/ommando, how's the tunnel going?

>>52032358
Is that an wood shield on the back?

>>52033160
Yeah, I'm mildly miffed about that, but that's life, I guess. Maybe another one will show up at some point.

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>>52033173
>So realistic! You can FEEL the rad
>*Pukes from rad poisoning*
Here's Morty's Cup set.

>>52033172
> nobody here has ever proxied a game with the 40k models they had already
> nobody

>>52033245
Fenrisian Wolfwood, as good as a ceramite-plasteel bonded combat shield.

>>52033172
>units in Indomitus must re-roll successful saves and every wound is an ID wound
>non-RG models in MkVI are +1 to hit and to wound by the enemy
>IF, IH, DA and IW in MkIV must roll a D6 for each model and on a 6+ take a wound with no saves allowed
>for every piece of non-resin on the table you must eat a spoonful of feces

>>52033145
What kind of random bill prevents importing whale figurines? I thought you had arab immigrants, not japanese.

>>52033273
>Implying HHG plays at all.

>>52033273
I once used my Black Templars to fill in holes in my World Eaters list.

I wanted to die.

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>>52033010
Not any of other posters just thought I would offer my two cents. The baseline is that no one who has spent time and effort on their 30k army want's to see an army made of MK7. 30k is a game of love, it requires you kind of giving a part of yourself to this army. When someone else picks up the 30k books and puts there 40k Dark Angels into the game. Then it's piss poor craftsmanship and really has no love placed into it. If you really want MK7 then go play 40k, but if you want cool looking armor, primarchs, and contemptors stay.

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>>52033277
You mean this?

>>52033293
I have no fucking idea. I have a feeling that the people it was coming from were unwilling to extend" free shipping" to transatlantic.

>>52033273
Yeah, and it feels disgusting.

>>52033322
I once used my Black Templars to fill in holes in my Imperial Fists list. Everything went better than expected.

>>52033328
The fact that even you didn't read the original post at all is very indicative of the knee-jerk reaction I should have expected. But hey, autism and sperging is par for the course, just have to accept it.

>>52033279
That's actually pretty fucking good...

>>52031623
Other than those you listed, they also have warp cannons

>>52033322
You brought dishonour to your Purimarku. To the pain gurovu you go.

>>52033313
Hah, amateur hour over here.

>Implying they even buy the models, let alone the rules.

>>52032938
>hahaha, epic win guys. We managed to lock this 15 foot tall Uber strong wizard in a room full of frail women who can neutralise his magic powers.
>hopefully they can also neutralise his super strength, toughness and fighting ability

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>>52032991
since I'm done the next revision, might as well put it up for feedback and trigger someone again.

>>52033387
>implying they even post in /hhg/

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Im honestly feeling crazy enough to save up gor one of these
What legion would you like to see this along with an accompanying strike force to be painted in? I like them all equally so im all ears

>>52033389
>>hopefully they can also neutralise his super strength, toughness and fighting ability
Considering they brought the guys who power a fucking Titan through their mere proximity to several Alpha class psykers and Magnus is one, sure, I think they have the whole metaphorical straightjacket thing figured out.

>>52033371
DUDE. STOP PRETENDING.

Use MkVII, go for it, knock yourself out. Stop acting like it's the occasional helmet ontop of resin bodies.

That guy was actually being nice and explaining the position most of us with real armies come from when presented with spru-boys like you, he wasn't judging, he wasn't flaming you, he was telling you how he feels and why he thinks it isn't best to use MkVII. You're the autist who can't accept this is how a community feels, they ultimately don't care what you do if you're determined to do otherwise, and feel others like you should stop, in every thread, trying to tell us why your use of 40k models is valid.

>>52033412
Raven Guard would be fluffy, Imperial fists would make you hate yourself, Space Wolves would trigger the thread, and if you really wanted to go for awesome: Knights Errant with one of them and the rest of the force from a legion of your choice

>>52033340
Maybe.
>>52033412
BAngles.

>>52033412
>all ears

obviously not 'all eyes' else you'd refrain from spending a king's ransom on a fucking tonka toy. You could buy a professional model remote airplane for that and deep strike your troops a mile away.

>>52032045
t. Angry autist

>>52033412
Definitely not dark angels, raven guard or iron hands. If you're not bothered about which legion to use it seems a shame to paint the whole thing black.

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>>52033412
Don't know if your freehanding skill is up to the task, but that thing done up in Blood Angel livery would be amazing.

>>52032276
You seem to be forgetting that sigismund took shitloads of MkVII armour from Forges during the schism of Mars.

The imperial fists most likely had wuite a bit of mkVII during the seige of terra.

>>52033145
>>52033257
perhaps have a poke around the discord and see if someone can hook you up with a redirect? shipping might not be cheap, but it would be a shame to see such an interesting project die out.

>>52033441
His feelings nor anything you have said at all have been based on anything I said, so I can't really respond to it. Everything I said is in the original post I made and all this bitching and strawmanning is your own making. I have not said anything that should give you those impressions. It's all on you and you got nothing to push on me on the matter.

>>52032474
Nice head canon famalam

>>52033512
Perhaps. Think I'll probably have a hunt for an alternative for a bit before screwing around with shipping like that, but I do want to give this a try. Quite a few people have said it sounded like a cool idea, which always helps.

>>52032779
Lol, you're a fucking idiot

>>52032458
Biscuit tin, apparently.

>>52033546
My good brotazoa, it's a fantastic idea.

>>52032474
Only you've still got armors incoming from other Forgeworlds- in the short story "the harrowing" a demicompany of AL plans to infiltrate Terra by infiltrating plates being shipped to the IF

>>52033371
Yeah, I read the original post thank you very much.

I just wanted to offer a reason why people don't like MK7 in 30k which you seem too genuinely have a hard time understanding. There is nothing wrong with that though. I will admit my answer was a little to broad. So, let me narrow down for you. I would advise using very little MK7's in your tactical squads. While some did have access to it, I doubt 300,000 suits were available to compensate for the 3 legions at Terra. Also, read about Sarum pattern helms for an easy way around the whole MK7 problem, but thats only if you are playing WE or SoH.)

>>52033579
>hey, do these empty suits of armour feel heavy to you
>nope

>>52033588
>>52033588
He never said he wanted to use 300,000 suits.

Just a bit of mkVII here and there. Which is completely acceptable. Having read all of your autistic rants accross the thread i can only come to the conclusion that you're a fucking idiot of the highest order.

>>52032045
>NO OTHER LEGION should have MkVII is ANY kind of numbers. NO traitor legion should have ANY.

We don't know when the Blood Angels arrived at Terra, but we know that the White Scars arrived before the Traitors penetrated the Sol system. Unless it gets retconned, MkVII was developed and fielded after Horus overran Mars, which allows the White Scars to get refitted with at least some MkVII plate.

>>52033322
I once used my Black Templars to fill holes in my body.

It was incredibly painful.

>>52033397
Don't know much about this character. Is all of this loadout in the fluff?

Presuming it is fluff-based and not willfully giving him that many weapons, the main change I'd say would be to make Vengeance rounds exclusive to Seekers or Veterans, and to leave out the Hardened Armour thing.
You could give him a set warlord trait if you wanted (better to be one of the list ones rather than prebuilt), and since he gets a plasma pistol shot and the special ammo buff to a unit, I think he's worth more than Autek Mor, so maybe 235 points.

Also you misspelled independent, and he doesn't need "bulky" if he has terminator armour already.

>>52033588
>I read the original post thank you very much.

Then you should have noticed the "a few". As in, "not a lot."

>>52033322
>Turn 6
>The World Eaters still do not realize I crusade for the Emperor

>>52033654
You sound like a Big Guy.

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>>52033654
I once used my Black Templars to make holes in traitors' bodies.

It was incredibly successful.

>>52033664
Khorne cares not whence the blood flows...

Is a Volkite Culverin and Fist a good option for a Contemptor?

>>52033654
For you?

>>52033037
>TS and Prospero get blown away before being shipped to Terra.
You think Russ would've gone ahead with genociding the planet even if Magnus surrendered?
>Okay Mags, so I was originally ordered to arrest you by Dad and bring him home, he didn't mention what was to happen to your Legion but I guess we could've left some Custodians here after you ordered them to stand down. Then Horus contacted me and ordered me to kill you and all your legion and people, and I don't know how to tell you, but I really fucking hate you. So I said yes. And buddy, I was minutes away from launching orbit to ground nuclear nerd wedgies of genocidal proportions when you just gave up. So now you're here and Valdor won't fucking stop complaining, I guess I could take you home. But because I hate you and I don't want to disappoint Horus, I think I'll just kill a billion people anyway. Want some biscuits?

So, BA, DA, and UM were all stationed in Ultramar for Imperium mk2. How the hell BA got to the Terra first and DA and UM were far behind? Were they being lazy?

>>52033689
Nope
Best and only way to play a melee dread
Two CCW, two graviton cannons, havoc launcher
220 points

>>52033696
Who knows, you had the two dumbest Primarchs squaring off.

They (and their players) deserve each other.

>>52033707
We're going to find out later this year- they announced a book about it, "ruinstorm" I think

>>52033678
>Khorne cares not whence the blood flows
Which is why Khorne powered up Grimnar's axe to knock out Magnus.

Khorne cares whence the blood flows. He just doesn't mind when its his dudes bleeding.

>>52033707
>So, BA, DA, and UM were all stationed in Ultramar for Imperium mk2. How the hell BA got to the Terra first and DA and UM were far behind? Were they being lazy?

How about you wait to see how the new lore plays out before you ask for and receive tons of useless headcanon and theoryspamming?

>>52033707
In the old fluff, the DA went to Prospero to pick up the Wolves. Then they went and BTFO traitors everywhere that wasn't Terra.
Gav will likely have them working for Curze or something.

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>>52033588
>Also, read about Sarum pattern helms for an easy way around the whole MK7 problem, but thats only if you are playing WE or SoH.)
Gee anon, I suppose Sarum could spare a few dozen helmets, or that there's another forgeworld out there that makes those helmets?

>>52033527

>Hey guys, what kind of dicks do you think look the best, i'm thinking about sucking one?
>I don't think dicks look particularly good, and this isn't an area of gay discussion
>I DIDN'T SAY I WAS GAY, READ MY ORIGINAL POST
>Dude, you can be a faggot, part of being a faggot is sucking dick, and if you want to suck a dick, and you're asking about dicks, you're probably at the very least bi-sexual, if not homosexual
>I NEVER SAID I WAS GAY GAHD. Read my original question, not making things up, I never said anything about my sexuality, I have no idea how you reached those conclusions, and I won't engage with your points
>Okay dude, whatever, but you can't really be doing gay things like sucking dick around here, matter of fact, i'm not even sure why you're here if you're looking to suck dick, none of us like guys.
>STOP SAYING I'M GAY I'M NOT GAY BUT I WON'T SAY WHY I ASKED ABOUT SUCKING DICK I HAVE SEX BUT ITS NOT GAY SEX

>>52033383
>JaghataipretendstobeaRogal.txt

>>52033707
Dark Angels were sitting on the fence like waiting to see who won, since they are traitors who fornicate with Xenos.

Ultramarines were too busy playing Empire Building simulator.

>>52033707
DA saved the SW and teamed up. Also apparently the BA went straight there, and everyone else got into fights along the way.

Imperium 2.0 was a stupid plotline that had no reason to exist anyway.

>>52033732
Useless headcanon and theoryspamming is more enjoyable than an Imperium Secundus novel.

>>52033707
Because Blood Angels were actually loyal.

Also, the "Passing of the Angel of Death" will probably explain it.

>>52033742
Why is that WS dressed up as on of Vulcan's brothas?

>>52033638
That's not me, stop calling someone trying to be reasonable the guy shitting up you and all you other poorfags and calling you out on your half-assedness.

>>52033509
>MkVII
They need to stop retconning up what armour mark that was.

>>52033749
>[maximum damage control]

how is your autism tonite?

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>>52033749
>talking this much shite

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>>52033661
As fluff based as I can make it, filling in gaps with reasonable assumptions based on what we know about others of a similar station in other legions (which is admittedly very little, but it was a fun challenge)

here is one of the relevant passages that sparked the original version of the fires rule and I've been tuning it from there.

I originally had him with a warlord trait, but decided to remove it as it didn't fit the existing fluff, since he never actually leads legion elements but only appears in a support capacity, probably due to the small size of the Raven Guard post-dropsite meaning Corax was leading forces 80% of the time.

Thanks for the misspell catch, I need to do a spelling/grammar pass once I have the rules set in a form I'm happy with. Strangely enough FW often duplicates rules like bulky on their characters, Autek Mor actually has the same on his character listing, so I included it to match the format.

I considered limiting it to veterans, but when it shows up later in the novellas it's actually Mor Deythan using it, so I left it as general-purpose and simply limited the number of uses to 1 to reduce impact on the overall game.

>>52033797
This is some quality autism.

>>52033762
That's old fluff though. In the new fluff SW are saved by RG, while DA are stuck behind the Ruinstorm with Ultras.
>>52033773
Passing of the Angel of Death was already explained in a seminar; it was a BA extermination campaign of traitor held worlds on their side of the Ruinstorm

>>52033639
>No traitor legion should have ANY
What about alpha legion knicking some suits, or traitors claiming them as spoils while on Terra?
Are we not allowed to have Seige of Terra shit just because Forgeworld isn't there yet? Once they release a Terra book is cool then?

>>52033749
Kek.

>>52033812
>Passing of the Angel of Death was already explained in a seminar; it was a BA extermination campaign of traitor held worlds on their side of the Ruinstorm

Oh shit, I can't wait.

>>52033794
>[NOREFUTATIONPOSSIBLEBETTERMEMEHIMOUT]

Dude, just relax. Use your 40k models. It's fine. They're not as good, but it's the best you can do.

>>52033815
Do what you think looks cool mate. Dont be worrying about getting validation from a group of autists on a Taiwanese haberdashery chat room.

>>52033780
>They need to stop retconning up what armour mark that was.
What? Mark 6 was the RG and AL thing for ages.

>>52033800
What about the thing with the Servo-Harness, Volkite Culverin, Cataphractii and Thunder Hammer?

>>52033778
Cool m8, sure

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>>52033664
>Still wearing the chains I see, Sigismund. Why the black armour?
>I'm the Emperor's Champion. What's with all the red, Kharn? Afraid of your own blood would stand out too much on your white plate?
Does anyone have that excerpt where Kharn and Sigismund are playing swords?

>>52033638
>Having read all of your autistic rants
I am not that guy actually. Second time posting in this thread.

>He never said he wanted to use 300,000 suits.
Thanks I mean I would have never known that. What I was implying is that he shouldn't use them too heavily, but at the end of the say i's his force. He do what he wants with it and we critique it.

>Which is completely acceptable.
If you read my second post then you would understand that I agree with you. Instead you decided to call me an "fucking idiot of the highest order". I said, word for word, "I would advise using very little MK7's in your tactical squads". Implying that it is fine to use them in my eyes as long as it's the Siege of Terra we are dealing with and their are very little, like 10 at the most. If it is say, during the Crusade then it would make no sense and would be kind of dumb right?

>>52033775
But WS don't have those helms either, what are you talking about?

>>52033856
The other guy said mark 7. If he's right it's been marks 4, 6 and now apparently 7.

>>52033904
What's been?

>>52033797
Was gonna ask about pre-Heresy colour schemes, but I think I'll pass. Don't want to trigger people with 29k shit.

>>52033856
The servo harness shows up in a (seemingly) small nod to the character in Weregeld, I don't have my tablet handy at the moment to find the passage, which is also the same place I got cataphractii from. I find it somewhat strange in a legion known for using more advanced armor marks, but if I had to hazard a guess as to a fluff reason it might be something to do with harness weight. (I'd rather model him in tartaros to fit my other terminators desu)

The volkite charger and thunder hammer are just assumptions for personal wargear, and seem justified enough as they are both standard forge lord options. the volkite charger in particular is a concession to modeling since I'm going to use the cataphractii praetor with a headswap and a different melee weapon, but all the other cataphractii weapons are right hands instead of left.

>>52033931
>what is reading comprehension

The discussion was about Sigismund bringing armour from Mars in preparation for the seige of terra. The most recent iterations have him collecting MkVII armour.

>>52033935
Good idea, the autism in this thread today is very high.

>>52033935
Its a bit more volatile than normal today. Probably best to leave it until the turbo autists are back in their safe spaces

>>52033970
Meh. There is always backlash from some when people ask about using 40k era plastic or try to explain their super special reason for why their army can have it. It's just dragged on a little.

>>52033983
>>52033970
>>52033935
I think people must have missed their meds today or Mom was late with the tendies.

>MOM! Where are those tendies!! its after 1pm god damnit!!

>>52034028
Lel

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>>52033935
I don't think color schemes would trigger anyone, anon. Color schemes are actually pretty simple. Then again I am suspected you would ask such a thing for painting correct. You find more help on Youtube than on 4chan trying to bait people.

>>52034028
What's a tendy?

Are apothecaries on every squad a fluffy choice for Iron Warriors?

My gut says they wouldn't care enough to bother.

>REEEeeEEEeeEeeEeeeEeeEeEEEEEEEE

The thread

>>52033749
I second the previous Kek

>>52034054
Good, I wanted to know if I could bring red Ultramarines. Thanks!

>>52034028
>implying people who can afford Forge World armies live with their parents
>implying people who are desperately attempting to justify or validate their use of Tactical Squad box Deathguard don't visit the Jobcenter+ twice a week

>>52034015

Literally every plastic version of a redbook vehicle existed in great numbers during 30k.

>>52034079
...well the Genesis Chapter had to get their color scheme from somewhere...

>>52034059
When you know that a lot of your dudes are being thrown into a meatgrinder, keeping them alive and making sure you salvage the valuable geneseed of the fallen is just a matter of practical necessity. Very fluffy.

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>>52034090
Aww fuck. I wanted to trigger people. You're kind and understanding, that's no fun :^)
You defeated me, so I drop this loot.
Extra cammo.

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>>52033742
Ok, you got me there. I meaning it looks fairly similar to the MK 7 armor.

>>52034083
Yeah, you're right, it should be "JEEEVES! WHERE ARE MY TENDIES!?"

>>52034089
And THHHHEEEERRRREEE we go again!

>B-But guys.. w-we- I mean.. plastic is fine... it says so in the fluff...

Yes, no one cares about plastic rhinos, I have three of them. Landraiders, flyers, bikes, Landspeeders, Predators, Vindicators.... it's kinda cheap, and you loose out on a huge angle of the look of your army.

There is literally no reason to do it other than not being able to afford it. And if you can't afford it, why are you building a 30k army in the first place, right?

>>52034117
I like the effort FW goes to in referencing old fluff. It's not even easter eggs really.

Like the first SW campaign being with Russ and Commander Enoch being the Wheel of Fire. That was cool.

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>>52034079
Well, I mean there is Aeonid Thiel. With the red helmet and everything...

>>52034155

>land speeders

Javelins and Normal land speeders are two seperate rule entries

>bikes

Attack bikes don't have FW models

>flyers

There are none that aren't proxies

>there is no reason to do it other than not being able to afford it

Why spend double for throwaway metal boxes? Domed turrets don't define 30k

>>52034155
>retardation, the post

most of the time I see people using bikes, landraiders, predators and vindicators it's because they'd rather spend the money on more iconic legion-specific units, spartans, jetbikes, dreadnoughts that aren't posed like shit, and characters.

Plastic vehicles are much more excusable as the cost differences are vastly more significant than they are for infantry (it's funny how with the dropping GBP you can get devastator squads from FW for almost the same price as plastic now)

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>>52034169
kek

>Armour Autist BTFO

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>>52034193
>if you liked the Red-Marked, get a load of us.

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>>52034193
Only his helmet is red.
Or his helmet and whatever the bucket of paint touched when he was dipped in it without thinning it first, if you go by BL's word.

>>52034238
How will they complete their training now, I wonder?

>>52034155
> landspeeders
Please direct me to the FW resin landspeeder. And not the Javelin, that one can't take graviton. I want that sweet graviton for killing Spartans and shiet (which the Javelin can't do)

>>52034238
Aw come the fuck on.
Blue Ultras, Red Ultras, Black Ultras. Is there a colour you guys don't wear?
>>52034253
They follow Guilliman on their knees for a full day. It was them who planted those torches at his feet after all.

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>>52034155
>"resin is expensive"
>in the age of chinaman
>"it might be fluffy to use, but I don't like it, so it's wrong"

>>52034274
He probably plays with a terrible group of guys (if he plays at all and hasn't been banned for being an autistic blob)

Feel pity for him sir, no one else will.

>>52034155
t. Elitist autist

>>52034274
It takes someone special to make fun of people who use historically appropriate plastic vehicles instead of recasts that take 2 months to ship and take five times as long to build.

>>52034334

This goes twice for plastic bikes which were the sole standard for 30k bikes until FW made outriders.

>>52034239
Well, fine you win.

>>52034274
>>52034301
>>52034324

So you're saying that plastic Land Raiders, and plastic bikes, look better than MKIIb or outriders?

I say again, if you can't afford it, you can't afford it, but don't call me rude words because you can go "Meh, looks about the same" and actually mean "..... i'll have the primarch... so it'll be alright... I think..."

>>52034356
Psss it's not a competition, silly. It's cool.

>>52034357
>So you're saying that plastic Land Raiders, and plastic bikes, look better than MKIIb or outriders?

Yes. The MkIIb is rancid.

And why do you autists always end up arguing about the costs despite absolutely no-one mentioning it. Some people might like to use the plastics as they prefer the aesthetic. Is that allowed, or do we need to ask for your permission first?

>>52033037
>>52033696
So there really was no way of Prospero getting out of this alive?

>>52034357

The leman Russ sponsons on the IIB look stupid and outriders look nothing like canon established 30k bikes.

>>52034420
Yes. You should ask for my permission.

>>52034357
>I say again, if you can't afford it, you can't afford it, but don't call me rude words because you can go "Meh, looks about the same" and actually mean "..... i'll have the primarch... so it'll be alright... I think..."

There is literally nothing wrong with someone using appropriately painted (ie not Chapters) and modeled plastic vehicles. Accuracy autists may protest storm bolters instead of combibolters, but that's different than blasting someone for being too poor to buy FW or too stupid to buy recasts.

>>52034357
Or you know, some people probably played 40k for a long time before HH came out and probably aready have a bunch of Landraider and rhinos etc.

But I guess they should not use those models when they look for a game at the club, it might rustle some asshole's jimmies if he sees the wrong mark of armor on the wrong unit or sees a plastic Landraider

>>52034446
Or, you can get off your high horse and realise no one actually cares what you think looks good or not.

>>52034480
Yeah, we wouldn't want the asshole to have a fit and stroke out. He could fall on the table and damage our models after all.

>>52034505
That would be worse for his health than the models.

>>52034446
No one behaves like this in real life. There's no way someone could be this autistic.

...right?

>>52034427
>So there really was no way of Prospero getting out of this alive?
Well, not to skip speculating about Russ etc, but actually, no, not really.
It's easy to forget that the whole thing was orchestrated by Tzeentch. Fucker was planning it for 200 years.

We argue and discuss micro motivations (like it turning out Russ just really hated Magnus and was down with glassing a planet because it was Magnus' planet, Magnus' huge arrogance and suicidal depression at being out-thought causing needless casualties...but when it comes down to it, every motherfucker involved got Just As Planned.

>>52034357
I use a stormraven as a stormeagle.

Fight me, cunt

>>52034505
Well they'd be plastic and probably be alright :^)

Alright, I gotten tired of arguing over armour marks. Can we talk about something different?

How about we talk about what turned Horus over to the Chaos? Was it really just the power of Chaos or was Horus jealous of the Emperor? I mean Horus and the Emperor were tight and he just turns on him. I might be missing something, but seems kind of lazily written to me.

>>52034515
>implying that I care about his health
top kek

>>52034357
Plastic land raiders look just fine, especially since it's the exact same kit with a different side sponson configuration and a slightly different central-upper plate.

Outriders I'll give you do look better, but they're also very expensive and prone to warping. For the legions that require a lot of them, I wouldn't blame them in the least for using plastic with replacement torsos and heads to fill out numbers.

For predators, I've met a lot of people that hate the look of the domed top predators, and I share that opinion.

There is one final reason that using plastic rhino-chassis makes sense, and it's because any of them can be made to be usable as a regular rhino with a little magnet work, which significantly cuts down on the amount of stuff you need to transport around to play different lists.

How about going extreme infantry and skip the vehicles? I don't think anyone gonna complain about you using 60 plastic mk4s and cataphracts.

>>52034535
It was a veiled threat.

>>52034527
>I mean Horus and the Emperor were tight and he just turns on him.

It was said that Horus was the "heir apparent" and he obviously felt entitled to something for his loyalty. He bristled at the idea of being forced to obey a civilian bureaucracy, and with the Crusade winding down, the position of Warmaster seemed hollow.

>>52034438
>2b sponsons look stupid
not that guy, but neck yourself

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>>52034413
i-It is for me, Centurion~sama.

w-Wait, it's not like it matters or anything, stupid.

>>52034549
>I don't think anyone gonna complain about you using 60 plastic mk4s and cataphracts.
Welcome to the internet.

>>52034523
I would. No joke. I would rib you publicly in the store till you were annoyed enough either to pack up or right me.

Did Dark Angels, in 30k already have their little goblin xeno friends?

Or did those little guys show up later?

Also...what are those little goblin xeno sex toys anyways?