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Metal 40k albums edition

Previous album cover >>51965835

>THE RETURN OF DUNCAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebU1zTFh7AE [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]

>40k rules reference in wiki format. 204% Organized
https://sites.google.com/site/wh40000rules/

>Rules and such. Use Readium for epubs on iphone, lithium on android.
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>Latest GW teases
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-40000/

>Latest GW attempt to fuck your list up
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-JP/Rules-Errata

>40K 7th Edition Quick Reference Sheets:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf

>DIS DA WAAAGH ORGANIZA, ZOG YERSELF IF YER STILL ASKIN' ABOUT IT
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>Another list building program that may or may not be a pile of shit, sometimes it works and when it does it can be better than the garbage above
https://battlescribe.net/

>Forge World Book Index:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index

>The Black Library (Whoever let Alpharius have 10000 library cards, you're fired. Revoking them all is going to take forever)
https://mega.nz/#F!wx4BiKhD!YhnAf1BqSmAB8dO6xDM56Q
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>>51973222
>I2
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>>51973222
>rainbow
>no purity seals
really fires the neurons
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>>51973166
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4th for the new leader of the eldar
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>>51973237
>I2 poster is faster than orks
You're I3 or something?
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I got a couple questions, what did the people of Prospero look like? Were they all red like magnus? Are any alive outside of the thousand sons sorcerers?
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>>51973280
No, his posting finger is on the end of a lasgun, which gives him a slight initiative bonus over the fuckers who have to pull their right pointer fingers all the way back over their shoulders before taking a stab at the post button.
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So much negativity; say something nice about your most hated faction

>grey knight have great access to force
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Anyone here play on TTS?
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>>51973280
Using the 3rd edition codex, I got extra initiative on the charge.
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>>51973332
The Tau's allies the kroot and vespids are pretty damn cool. Both in models and lore.
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>>51973222
never played marines before, how do I make a good space wolves list? They don't get free transports and shit so should I use a lot of the unique wolfwolf units? Are their formations/decurions good?
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>>51973332
>Orks are really fun to convert
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>>51973332

Dark Eldar have some good bits for AdMech conversions. I'd like to see them get more toys I can steal from them.
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>>51973277

macha will just be another seer of the Aeldari if she survives
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>>51973332
GSC get some really neat infiltration rules and great melee troops.
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>>51973346
I would but your picture highlights my current problem with it: All the miniatures are the same, so I can't tell my miniatures apart. On the TT I have shoulder pads with insignias designating unique squads.
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>>51973332
Imperial Guard have lots of cool vehicles
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Don't mind me, just waiting on tau getting something super cool and powerful for the gathering of the storm
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>>51973368
according to the new dawn of war canon, she'll be the leader of the OG eldar, the ones who don't bend the knee to the false god that is Ynnead.
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>>51973332
people buying space marines keeps GW afloat
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>>51973222

>Not Lord Postal Macharius edition

Despicable.
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>>51973397
Macha a shit. I wouldn't want her to lead my faction.
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>>51973346
Yes.
Press F11 to hide the UI for your screenshots.
Use the Zone tool to remove player avatars and names from the table edges.
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>>51973332
Eldar avatars look pretty sick
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>>51973332
Orks have ... I give up
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>>51973377

There tutorials to edit your army's colour scheme and shoulder icons via PS.
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I'm starting up a Guard army centered around Void warfare and drop troops. I was wondering if it would be too odd to include a Chapter Master so I can get an Orbital Strike.

I figured I could fluff him as an aging marine honor guard that's protecting the navy ship they work with due to some legacy involving his chapter. He mostly sits back during battles, offering snippets of tactical advice and aiding with targeting.
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>>51973419
Cheers. Obviously you've a lot of experience with it.
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>>51973377
You can either tint models with right clock and if that doesn't work you can change their reflection options under Custom to make them shimmer in different colors depending on gear.
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>>51973482
>would it be too odd to include a space marine chapter master in an imperial guard unit
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>>51973332

Taufags are... They...

I got nothing.
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So I hear that 30k is in a few ways better than 40k, anyone care to explain why and maybe how to do 30k a bit more affordably? I know BaC and BoP are good deals but what about vehicles and heavy weaponry?
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>>51973484
I play almost daily. Games go by so quickly, and I can try out so many different lists.

I'd like to do a battle report or stream a game, but people here don't seem that interested. Probably because I play Tau.
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So Guilliman as fuckhuge and basically wears a super advanced Dreadnought suit, right?

What if they make him a Walker just for shits and giggles.
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>>51973332
Eldar actually look really cool and have interesting lore.
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>>51973356
Their decurion is probably one of the weaker ones with an expensive core and okay-ish auxiliaries. Thunderwolf are great for making deathstars if that is your thing and wulfen are pretty solid assault units even as 5 man squads. You can also do solid horde and mechanized wolf lists utilizing cheap blood claws. Not top of the line or anything but it does highlight the versatility of the codex and its options as a whole.

What kind of list do you want to make?
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>>51973517
Oh and how legal is it to use 30k armies in 40k?
Could my Mechanicum and/or Luna Wolves take on armies of Orks and Eldar like they would have in the Great Crusade?
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>>51973391
I hope riptides get more powerful so they end up getting outright banned.
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>>51973517
everyone is a marine so it's a lot more balanced, no "and they shall know no fear", tons of options, forgeworld, tons of fluff

>>51973524
tg would bitch for a week straight
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What is a good, strong standard Genestealer Cult list?
I see all these options in the Codex and I'd like to hear some suggestions.
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>>51973528
Eldar in high resolution only, Mon Keigh.
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>>51973541
Horus Heresy is entirely legal to use with 40k afaik.
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https://regimental-standard.com/2017/03/01/heroic-saviour-didnt-even-need-to-use-his-sword/
>Robe and Hood
Fuck GW, they took my money and now they took my sides
How can they be so based
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So i'm trying to understand challenges. It says characters, so that means that someone like a company champion that has to issue challenges in melee, MUST issue one even to an imperial guard sergeant? And nobody in that squad unless they are a higher rank can accept, yes?

How is that very useful at all, when a champion could just steamroll through the whole squad rather than wasting all his attacks on one model?
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>>51973332
Well painted Daemons always look STUNNING.
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>>51973346
I do. Too poor fag to buy miniatures and all my friends who play don't live near me anymore.
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>>51973566

Brood Cycle + Subterranean uprising.

First curse is fun and fluffy, though a point sink, though your army is overall cheap enough to tank a point sink no real issue.

Add a Magnus for bonus psychic powers, maybe one or two sentinel units or a Russ for a bit of transport popping fire and you're done.
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>>51973332
At least they keep the Crudd out of my codex.
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>>51973593
Read the BRB in more detail, but the short and sweet is that in a challenge the attackers fight each other, and any wounds they inflict go to each other first, and then spill over to the rest of their respective units.
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>>51973332
Necrons cannot stop winning.
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>>51973332
Space wolves are supposed to be vikings kind of so that might've been cool
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>>51973517
From what I understand, 30k feels more balanced because by and large everyone is the same (read: marines) and their lords of war are sorta kinda balanced against each other and if any are stronger, it is usually for fluff reasons. It also does not seem unreasonable to not allow primarchs in some games as not every legion has their primarch (either in models or rules form) yet. You do get some weird ones like the ad mech and now with the Custodes and the Sisters of Silence but they don't break the mold too bad like Eldar or Orks do so balance feels maintained.

Note, everything I have said is based on a a little more than a cursory glance so take what I say with the required amount of salt. As to the second part of your question, there is no easy way. Yes Calth and Prospero has made it easier, but it is still decidedly more expensive than 40k due to forgeworld shenanigans.
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>>51973593
Wounds from challenges spill over if you kill the dude.
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>>51973346
Yeah, I do it to test my lists out.
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>>51973524
Does he? I thought it was super awesome artificer armor.
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>>51973534
I don't want to spam transports since Rhinos are visually boring and pods look like hell to buy and put together a bunch of them. I got interested in starting the army after reading about the FW wolf lord, is he any good?
I kinda want to build a list that uses different units or at least a very different playstyle to vanilla since there are a bunch of vanilla players at my LGS already.
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>>51973517
30k isn't just marines, and it does have balance issues. Currently a lot of factions need updates badly, Thousand Sons are OP if you can believe it, and so are AdMech.
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>>51973517
Most of the factions are marines, the non marine factions are pretty balanced also.

No formations, LOW 25% point limit. One force org that every one uses.

Generally it's a bit more regulated, but I enjoy it quite a bit.
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>>51973593
What you've described was the major issue with challenges in 6th ed. You could potentially lock out a dude from doing anything with a well placed challenge and it screwed over the chaos dudes pretty hard. 7th ed as >>51973645 and >>51973658 said, fixed that bit
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>>51973654

Ork players should be more enthusiastic about playing against HH players, honestly.
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http://www.peta.org.uk/blog/peta-warhammer-fur-free/
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>>51973541
It's legal and all the rules fit, but 30k armies are usually at a disadvantage in most games since they mostly shine above 2000+ and around 2500.
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>>51973715
>I2
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>>51973671
He was all but dead and is being kept alive by his armor.

Per definition, that would count as a Dreadnought suit.
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>>51973517

30k armies are generally much larger in scale. You'd be hard pressed to make a playable 1000pt army and 2000-3000 is the norm.

The biggest difference is that your squads are all specialized, like eldar. Tac squads are all bolters with a 10-20 squad size, squads are more expensive upfront, but extra bodies are cheaper, which promotes bigger units, (heavy) support squads have 5-10 of the same special weapon. It's different, but cool.

No ATSKNF is cool because Fear means something.

>>51973541

100% legal and usually more balanced and less powerful than 40k cheese
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>>51973677
Assault oriented? Shooting oriented? Or a balanced mix of both insofar as that is possible?
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>>51973332
I can madturbate to eldar fanart
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>>51973645
Roger, I did read it I just wasn't quite understanding it fully.

>>51973658
Roger. I get that now, I'm just still trying to figure out why challenges would be useful in that case.

>>51973711
Well then how does it effect certain factions like the guard? I mean if I charge the command squad and challenge their officer, sure that's fine and dandy as he won't be able to issue orders, etc. But how does that effect lesser squads if I'm just killing a sergeant, or in the case of other marines where they don't issue things like orders, etc?
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How do most people deck out their Aspiring Champions?
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>>51973715
Also, they followed up with "We were just pretending to be retarded"
http://www.peta.org.uk/blog/peta-warhammer-40000-cant-serious/
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>>51973711

This.

The advantage is that you force the character to either deal with your guy or not fight, which could potentially save your squad. For example, if I have a sword and you have a power fist, my guy will likely kill your dude before that Powerfist wrecks my squad.
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>>51973760
Regular sergeants don't really matter unless they're carrying gear, but it can be useful to pick off a leadership boosting character.
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>>51973714
Until the vulkite culverins come out.
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>>51973760
you can also deny a challenge, so your champ/lord gets called a bitch so he doesn't get attacked but you also can't use his leadership.

in a perfect game my k.herald on juggernaut runs over the champ then mulches through the squad
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>>51973788
Magnus' plans against the Space Wolves are getting a little out of hand.
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>>51973779
For chosen, marines and bikers it usually take power maul/sword, combi-weapon for his unit's role if any, melta bombs.
For raptors I'll do the same thing, but if i have extra points i'll do powerfist/lightning claw or dual LC
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>>51973788
Okay I laughed.
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Hey guys, do you have any advice for an Dark Eldar killteam? I never played this game before and don't know what I should get
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>>51973756
Is assault actually viable with SW? How so?
I want to lean towards it if possible, but what gives them such an edge over Marines that they can go with an assault focus and win?
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>>51973590
>nothing to write home about*
*Just a reminder to you Cadians your homeworld is a destroyed husk and so are your loved ones
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>>51973779
As the rest of the unit. Go for combis on ranged squads, melts and maybe a power weapon on melee squads
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>>51973855
Squad of kabalites in a raider is a pretty common one.
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>>51973872
Thunderwolves and wulfen.
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>>51973760
Like >>51973804 said, for most factions challenges don't really come into play unless the player decided to deck out their sergeant or they have special rules for their characters. It's there to single out the big special dudes like HQs and their ilk
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So is there any depository where I can download Ork Books? Like Engine of Mork and Beast Arises series.
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>>51973920
Which is annoying as it killed any reason to put gear on unit leaders.
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>>51973932
>beast arises

save yourself the trouble, don't do it
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How much should I invest in chainfist saws as Genecults?

Hell, standard bearers and swordwhip combos seem like they'd rack up fast too, but on the other hand that's a shit ton of I7 WS5 attacks at AP3 or rending.

What I'm saying is, it seems obvious you want -some- toys, as the toys are good, but how much boys to toys ratio?
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Dedicated Dark Angels player branching out for the first time with some allies- the start collecting Deathwatch just arrived today.
Any anons have input, advice, suggestions on how to model the, paint them and have FUN______

Will use them as allies for battle company/Ravenwing most likely.
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Anyone have a pdf version of the Cadia supplement?
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>>51973880
Then I only have to buy the starter kit. Thanks my dude!
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>>51973872
Expanding on >>51973896, thunderwolves in the Champions of Fenris detachment make for amazing deathstars or you can use them as highly mobile kill squads. Wulfen are also pretty great in assault and a squad of 5 man with claws is capable of ripping and tearing through almost anything that isn't a wraithknight in one turn. They might actually be able to kill a wraithknight too, but that's a touch of a long shot. It should also be noted that wulfen also buff nearby space wolf units that are not wulfen which is really cool.

For variety's sake, Space wolves also have really good CC dreadnoughts (if that is your thing) and blood claws/sky claws and fenrisian wolves are a great source of cheap attacks. Wolfguard (both terminator and power armor versions) are high meh/low okay tier but they can add a touch of variety to any list.

Space wolves also have great support elements for an assault list. Long fangs are amazing at softening up an enemy before the wolves charge in. Wolf priests give out preferred enemy which is better than hatred imo. Rune priests are also pretty solid. Wolf lords and the cheaper Wolf Guard Battle Leader are all good melee beatsticks and all four of these guys can take a thunderwolf to make them even killier.

If there's anything else you need, just holler. I'll be here for a while yet
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>>51973590
https://regimental-standard.com/2017/02/01/probably-some-eldars-birthday-expert-states/

I still find this one far funnier.
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>>51973952
For most factions, I'd agree with you. For marines and armies with good saves, it's not a bad idea to give a sword or a gun to your sergeant.
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>>51973920
maybe if you're a tourney fag. challenges are for claiming dominance over lesser men.
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So, what book would I need for Custodes rules in 30k/40k? I guess I'm saving up a bit for the armoured assault force, and the Inferno book (and a lot of golden paint).
I know the rules are also downloadable, but I'd like to have them as a book too.
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>>51974111
Gun is fine, melee is usually a waste of time as anything that challenges is either going to be much weaker or much stronger.
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>>51973332
Eldar have cool colour schemes
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>>51974153
Inferno for 30k, but all there is for 40k is a digital datasheet that came with BoP's release (I would upload it but I'm 95% sure you can find it on GW's store page for BoP) that never had a physical copy. Just print it out.
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>>51973956

I'm okay with troubling myself, yes.

Where do I download the books? for free
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>>51974174
Alright, thanks anon.
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Just played a 3000pt game against some heretical Grey Knights /tg/ what have you been up to?
And he had them apparently be a renegade chapter that started a kingdom in the Halo Stars and I was part of the crusade to conquer them. I can batrep it if you want in a bit.
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>>51974178
not sure, the OP is missing some books. i need to get my hands on the Asurmen books
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>>51974174
There are no 40k data sheet come with BoP, if there is GW wouldn't give it for free on their website.

Same for Death Masque Assembling guide, they upload it on their side because the printed one on the box missing a whole 4 pages.
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>>51973332
I find the name Aeldari vary amusing
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Whats the strongest list I can get for 1000pts with SW?
>Hard mode: CAD only
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>>51974265
Working on Magnus, some rubrics and Tzeentch daemons for my 1k sons army (and models from BoP), things from the munitorum armored containers kit, and then maybe my backlog.
If I work fast I might be able to get a game in soon to give my sons a test run.
While I know they're going to get me fucked in the ass with a space wolves buttplug when running my poor sons normally, does anyone know if they're good in the HoR Killteam rules?
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>>51974265
Hey GGA. Was that tubby-knife-guy?
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Still on the ropes on wether I should kit out my Dunecrawler in a 850 points game with an Icarus Array or if Fliers aren't going to be enough of a risk to spend the 10 extra points and potentially having terrible fucking shooting against ground targets.

What'd you guys go for?
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>>51973417
>>51973397
>>51973368
>>51973277

Speaking Biel-Tan, what the fucks happening to them since their craftworld fell apart. Are they little bitch's now?
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>>51974420
It's Macha's time to shine!
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Was their ever a consensus on whether or not Cawl gets to have his Canticles AND a normal Canticle going at the same time or whether he was still limited to one Canticle of either kind per round?
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>>51974414
At 850 I don't think you should have to worry about fliers

Until I got my second Dunecrawler at around 1200 points I didn't face fliers, and generally did well with just a Neutron Laser loadout.
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>>51974454
All BatReps I saw with him had him use both and we don't have a FAQ for FoC yet.

>>51974444
Quadruple fours of eternal truth.
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>>51974414
You won't find many running fliers in an 850. Unless you're sure of meeting one don't bother.
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So what's considered the most balanced and fun army in 40k?

Like what Codex will not get you shit for playing it but also isn't garbage that has no chance to compete ever?
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>>51974340
2 x 5 man blood claws - 140 pts

Thunderwolf cav, 4 man, frost axe and shield - 300 pts

Wulfen, 2 x 5 man, all claws and stormfrag - 440 pts

Battle leader on thunder wolf - 100 pts

Total - 980 pts.

Remaining pts can go to giving your battle leader some toys. If you need more pts you can cut some of the toys from the wulfen/thunderwolf cav. This should get you a fast and resilient list that should smash face into most opposition at 1000 pts
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>>51974483
>>51974486
Well, we did have like 2 Land Speeders and some Flyrants last time around. Not sure if 6 Kataphron Gravs and the 5-man Dominus Skitarii squad are enough to shoot some down if I do run into some.
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>>51974487
Chaos, guard, DE, SM, necrons.
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>>51974487
There aren't any.
>Eldar are objectively the strongest.
>Tau has Riptides.
>Demons is the least fun to play against.
>CSM and SM does almost as good as Eldar.
>Necrons literally cannot build a casual list.
>Knights
Which leaves Ork, Nids, and DE, none of which actually win events.
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>>51974487
I would say Chaos Marines
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>>51974561
Dark Eldar can be good, especially if they use the fliers.
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>>51973788
>click link expecting it to be PETA doing some explaining of their massive overlook of all the other horrible stuff in 40k because people wear fur
>it's literally PETA saying "jokes on them, I was only pretending to be retarded"
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>>51974561
>CSM
>almost as good as Eldar
Nigger what the FUCK are you smoking?
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>>51974561
>Necrons literally cannot build a casual list.
This is factually incorrect.
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>>51974579
I'm smoking tournament results.
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>>51974561
>>Necrons literally cannot build a casual list.
I shit all over them with AdMech in casual games (and no I'm not running War Convocation).

Speaking of which you missed AdMech in your list. And Genestealer Cults. Both of which I consider the most fun Codexes.
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>>51974588
You mean the tournament results where armies running a single Magnus the Red and 1200 points of Daemons are listed as "Chaos Space Marines"? Those results?
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>>51974588
I'm willing to bet all of those top tier CSM lists were centered around Magnus
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>>51974588
>>51974579
chaos is a hell of a drug
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>>51974588
You're a fucking idiot.
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>>51973517
>how to do 30k a bit more affordably
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>>51974588
>he thinks the """CSM""" armies winning tournaments are actually CSM and not one Sorcerer with a bunch of FW R&H and Daemon allies
hownew.ru

I bet you're that faggot who posts the really bad chart claiming Tau aren't OP while disregarding that all the winning Eldar lists have an allied Riptide Wing
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>>51974625
>>51974628
not him but that would still count as chaos.
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>nothing on the bloody battlefields of Warhammer’s conflict-ravaged universe could match the terrible reality that foxes, minks, rabbits, and other living beings experience at the hands of the fur trade.
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>>51974020
Use the Duncan guide to paint them. Avoid giving them too many special weapons, they get expensive real fast. Deck them out with a couple of the bigger guns (Frag cannons are the best, Infernus Heavy Bolters are also good), and let the rest use their SIA to do the work.

Remember that no matter how good they shoot, they're still as easy to kill as a regular marine. It can be worth giving a couple the shields to tank for the rest of the squad, too.
Treat the Captain more or less like a regular Marine Captain, same goes for the Dreadnaught.
For modelling, you might need some spare bitz for the heavy weapons, the set doesn't come with enough. It comes with a wealth of other pieces though.
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>>51974487
Admech, guard, space marines (without bullshit formations or gravspam), necrons (a bit strong but not as obnoxious as others)

In terms of fun, that's pretty subjective. Whatever army you like the best will be the most enjoyable
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>>51974679
Running a lone Daemon Primarch with double his points of Daemons is not Codex: Chaos Space Marines.
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Is an allied GUO worth taking with CSM: DG?
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>>51974571
>dark eldar are good if they do this
this meme is getting old
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>>51974561
>GSC
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For those of you who were following the 'Day in the Life of a Guardsman' thread with the screen cap shown here, I also created a pastebin for it. I may continue writing from time to time, so just occasionally check back if you like.

http://pastebin.com/AHT2YJsL

Happy wargaming guys.
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>>51974687
>laughingdarkeldar.pict
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>>51974579
Death

Fucking

Guard
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>>51974687
Best part of the whole article right there.

Holy fuck man.
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>>51974702
i mean, it literally is. by your same logic running 3 riptide wings and a commander isn't codex:tau
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>>51973332
Grey Knights get lots of psychic dice, and that is pretty awesome to hear on the table.
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>>51974687
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>>51974718
Dark Eldar can be good. That is just fact. As long as you're playing maelstrom.
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>>51974729
Thank you very much writefriend!
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>>51974687
That probably wouldn't even be a true statement if you only counted beasts and other animals in 40k that Peta would care about. I'm sure all those animals Dark Eldar fight in the arenas don't appreciate getting hit with Agonizers or nerve whips, only to be patched up, shoved in the most spiky cage available, and then do it all again tomorrow.
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>>51974745
Except Riptides are part of Codex: Tau, Daemons (at least the ones we're talking about) are not part of Codex: CSM.

You can't claim CSM are "almost as powerful as Eldar" because they have a single broken special character who gets run in an army entirely consisting of a different Faction.

That's like saying Dark Eldar are OP because you can take an archon with a webway portal and 1500 points of D-Wraiths.
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>>51974420
>>51974444
Everyone of note dies, the only worthwhile Craftworld is destroyed and fragmented. All the dead Eldar get eaten alive by Ynnead or Slaneesh. Dark Eldar and Eldar are friends again and love eachother now. They lived happily ever after. and Eldrad dies again for the 3rd time.
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>>51974061
Thanks for the help dude.

So what do I use as a core for an assault-focussed army, or ARE the Wulfen and such my core, since with Champions of Fenris I don't need to take Troops? I feel like I'm making terrible mistakes loading up on ultra-killy MSU assault units, especially with no semi-cheap boots on the ground (even if said boots would mostly just be supplementing my charges anyway). Speaking of ultra-killy elite units, what is the rule I should be following in terms of kitting them out? How many TH/SS should a group of Wulfen take? I feel like they should have some to mitigate their 3+ saves, plus shields and hammers look cool. If I took Thunderwolves, do I leave them barebones and bloat their unit size, or give each one a shield and axe/fist or something?

Should I just focus on footslogging and mounted units if I'm trying to go that path, or can I throw a Dread or two in for flavor? The axe and shield Dread looks cool as fuck.

Sorry for all the questions dude, we're planning a Tale of Four Gamers league in my group and I really want to get down a nice overall list to build up towards before everyone starts buying their first batches of models.
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Is there anything worse than orkfags trying to talk like orks IRL
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>>51974826
oh and I suppose you think dark angels, blood angels, and space wolves aren't just marines with a slightly different book.
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>>51974779
You're welcome. Sorry I kinda disappeared, but that's what happens when you mobile post a lot and can't get a good IP, and also when some fucker walks off the job and you're suddenly forced to cover 3 double shifts because of school vacation and call outs.
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>>51974770
What about ITC missions?
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>>51974845
Not much but yes. Chaosfags roleplaying everything their Lord does
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>>51974845
Yeah, you.
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>>51973332
Necron Lords and the giant spider walkers are cool models.
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>>51974020
Drop pods and a frag cannon in each unit. Done
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>>51974845
People complaining about autistic roleplaying on an autistic taiwanese roleplay board
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>>51974855
You clearly don't play much 40k if you think CSM and Chaos Daemons are anywhere near as close as the loyalist Chapters are to each other.

At this point I think you might just be trolling.
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>>51974845
Me and my friend fucking love orks but I've never seen this shit.

How often do you see that crap?
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>>51974845
It's about as bad as bronies who talk in pony puns in casual conversation.

talkin' orky when da subject is propa ain' nuffink wrong wit dat, boss.
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>>51974845
There is one thing worse.... gits.
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>>51974265
Just played a 2000 point each 2v1 vs Blood Angels. I played 1k of Guard, the other guy was 1k of Necrons and we shared a CAD, with the Necron guy being our warlord.

I was excited to try out my 1850 list, but I ended up making 2 friends in the process so I'm pretty happy about that instead.

The game was pretty one sided in our favor. Necrons are hilariously durable. The BA player was returning after like 10 years of not playing so he was learning everything again. Still, lots of fun banter and joking around so none of minded that much. The highlight of the game was Pask downing a Stormraven that was filled with Death Company. It crashed into the Necron walker thing and crashed into some dudes and the whole Death Company died.

>I can batrep it if you want in a bit.
Always like to see your batreps GGA. Also one of these days I'll have to make a trip out to your GW and play with you or some of your people. What days do you usually play on?
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>>51974265
Batrep please. I just finished a 1500pt game. My Vostroyans vs Aeldari. Pic related
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>>51974504
Aight, here's what I got
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How'd I do?
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>>51974861
I don't know what the rules are there.
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>>51974890
>bronies who talk in pony puns in casual conversation
Holy shit don't even fucking remind me of this. In 2012 my faggot playgroup caught this fucking bug and it was nothing but pony puns for weeks on end. I was legit considering just leaving them but I had nobody else to play 40k with at the time.

It makes the worst Orkfaggotry look tame by comparison.
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>>51974901
>A
>e
>l
>d
>a
>r
>i
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>>51974927
It must have been a nightmare.
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>>51974888
Every time I go into my FLGS. Its only the orks and space wolf players that do it
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>>51974880
they're both chaos forces, and when I started playing 40k there wasn't separate codexes for them. granted I havent played against chaos in a long time so maybe they have completely changed.
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>>51974845
nerds getting mad at other nerds for being nerds.
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>>51974987
>granted I havent played against chaos in a long time so maybe they have completely changed.
Uh, yeah. That's an understatement.

If you literally haven't played against Chaos since they were in the same Codex what the fuck are you doing chiming in on this discussion with dumbass outdated info?
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>>51973222
first time making a 40k army and im thinking of doing a 500 point flesh tearer army currently the stuff that i want to put into the army is
a terminator squad with some upgrade
2 tactical squads
and a devastator squad with 2 krak missile launchers and 2 heavy weapons that can kill infantry
Would this army be at all effective and how should i change it?
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>>51974845
People who say "lol" or "rofl" out loud should be shot
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>>51974901

Quick summary of your game?
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>>51973332
tau look kinda cool and have nice guns
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Do player stereotypes exist in 40k? Are all CSM players washed up metalheads and edgy 15 year olds? Are all Tzeench players nerdy Asians?
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I've got a question: Skyfire states that the unit can use its regular BS when shooting Skimmers. Where in the Skimmer entry does it say that they'd normally not use that e.g. use Snap Shots? I can't seem to find it.
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>>51975054
Literally EVERY eldar player I've met has been gay or bi. Sometimes memes are true
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>>51974947
fuck off carlos

go build wall
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>>51975063
Skimmers are shot at normally. It's just a bonus for skyfire weapons.
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>>51975054
50% of the player base is edgy 15 year olds.
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>>51975063
Skimmers can be hit by normal fire and sky fire just the same. No snap shots
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>>51975063
no u fukin mong read skyfire u cant shoot at non flyers with full be if u have skyfire, skimmer is an exception
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Pretty happy right now

>Wanted to start Deathwatch
>Find Start Collecting! Deathwatch for $50
>Corvus Blackstar for $40
>Make Custom Captain from FW parts I found on Ebay for $13

Man this felt like such a good deal. It's starting my dive back into 40K since I retstarted with 30K.
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2K List I added up; seems like it'd be fun; but thoughts?
Deathwatch Strike Force

HQ: Deathwatch Captain w/ Xenophase Blade, Grav Pistol, Storm Shield, Artificer Armor, Melta Bombs, and The Tome Of Ectoclades 190pt

Troops: Veteran Squad of 10 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Powerfist and Combi Flamer; 2 Heavy Bolters 275pt

Transport: Razorback w/ TL Lascannon and Extra Armor 80pt

Troops: Veteran Squad of 10 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Powerfist and Combi Plasma; Blackshield w/ a Powerfist and Storm Shield, 2 Frag Cannons, and 2 Shotguns 350pt

Transport: Corvus Blackstar w/ Infernium Halo Launcher, Extra Armor, and Hurricane Bolters 205pt

Troops: Veteran Squad of 10 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Xenophase Blade and Melta Bombs; 4 Shotguns, and 2 Infernus Heavy Bolters 280pt

Transport: Corvus Blackstar w/ TL Lascannon, Infernium Halo Launcher, Auspex Array, Extra Armor, and Hurricane Bolters 215pt

Elites: Venerable Dreadnought w/ Extra Armor 145pt

Heavy Support: Land Raider Crusader w/ Multi Melta and Extra Armor 265pt

2000
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>>51973332
Eldar make for good porn stories.
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>>51975082
>>51975089
Ah, I see, so it's just for situations like Crew Shaken that would make all weapons Snap Fire.

>>51975090
They list Flyers, Flying Monstrous Creatures and Skimmers all in the same sentence, making it sound like there's something special about otherwise shooting at Skimmers as well, which caused the confusion. You fucking illiterate prick.
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Does the mega upload contain the how to paint books? Theres no way I'm spending $33 on one.
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>>51975124
Wrong. The last guy had it right, if written poorly.

Skyfire weapons fire snapshots if they aren't shooting at Flyers, Flying MCs, etc. They snapshot at ground based targets.

Skimmers are added there as an exception for another thing Skyfire weapons can hit normally without snapshotting.

So, for example, a Skyfire weapon will have to snapshot when firing at a Space Marine or a Leman Russ, but shooting a Hammerhead or Crimson Hunter is fine.
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>>51975102
Damn, that was a fucking sweet deal. Getting a lot of essential units for cheap always feels great.
>find Tech-Priest Dominus for 5€ on eBay
>Skitarii unit for 20€
>brother catches wind that I started AdMech, family gets me the SC! Skitarii box for Christmas
>manage to grab the last Eradication Cohort for 130€ at the big store where my brother lives early February
Picked up another Kataphron unit in the meantime. Getting everything for a WarConvo except for the second Sicarian unit and the obvious Knight for around 200€ is pretty fucking nice.
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>>51975123
aye
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>>51975195
Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, makes perfect sense now, had a bit of a brain hiccup with that entire thing, thanks for explaining to this sleep deprived anon. Painting from sunset to sunrise for the last 3 days to finish my shit in time for our weekend game is taxing.
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>>51975049
Sure, my opponent was trying to hide his bikes and wait for all his d-wraiths and Triumvirate to show up. I was able to score lots of points early because of this.
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>>51974837
Core
Are you looking to run a deathstar style list or are you looking for better force projection? If you want a deathstar, focus on Thunderwolves and support with wulfen and fenrisian wolves as points allow. The fenrisian wolves will be your cheap boots on the ground and they are fast too. If you don't want a more swarmy list, drop the fenrisian wolves and run your thunderwolves in squads of 3, no toys and run some blood claws.

Loadout.
If you're running your thunderwolves in a deathstar, give them toys. At least shields and frost axes, hammers if you can afford it. The wulfen do not need hammers. The frost claws are better in my opinion. As for improving their resilience, I think the 2 wounds and fnp is sufficient but if you don't think so, one shield and hammer per 5 man would not be a bad idea.

Footslogging?
Yes. Wulfen are reasonably fast with their "charge after running" schtick. Thunderwolf cav are beasts too so they move fast. For Dreads you should get pods for them. The ven dreads with axe and shield are pretty awesome and murderfang is another great blender of a unit. All dreads will want pods to get into the thick of things ASAP.

Will there be anything else?
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If someone put a Grav Cannon on a Scout Sentinel or Armored Sentinel and paid 20 points for it, would you permit that?

Not a cannon+amp, just the cannon.
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>>51975232
>Vostroyans in Tauroxes
B-But why. For 15 more points you get a much better transport.
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>>51975246
No, but I'd let them counts-as it as a grav-cent.
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>>51975246
I would say 30 points, since a cannon with an Amp is 35. Also, would probably prefer they have some way to justify it, since fluffwise Grav is a bitch and a half to maintain.

On an armored sentinel in a regiment with an Enginseer or other good ties to a forgeworld? Sure, why not.
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What are the rough dimensions of a dakkajet?
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>>51974265
>>51974901
I still barely no anyone at my local store, only having played there once so far. Gonna go play there on Saturday for a tournament, how weird would it be for me to take pictures during the games to share with you lads when I don't really know anyone at the store apart from the owner?
My big brother is also tagging along as a spectator because he finds the game super intriguing but has barely any idea about the rules and doesn't play but really wanted to come watch so that'll also maybe seem somewhat weird.
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>>51975232
His turn two was brutal, soul-bursting everywhere and killing shit. But my guard weathered and he just couldn't catch up on maelstrom points leading to a 17-11 Vostroyan victory.
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>>51975309
As big as da Big Mek wants 'em to be, ya git!

An' ALWAYS bigga den da 'umies' an' pointy-eared gits' flying stuffs!
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>>51975276
Like you said they are are 15pts cheaper and they still get the job done. Also I love autocannons.
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Fleshy Men + Metal Men 2: Electric Boogaloo

Please R8
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>>51975227
who drew this?
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>>51975022
First, you won't fit all of those in a 500 point army. 500 points armies are there mostly for players to get familiar with the system and for them to build a foundation for their list.

As for effectiveness, there's not enough of a list to rate effectiveness properly. 2 tactical squads, a terminator squad and a devastator squad tells me nothing really. As I mentioned, you can't fit this in 500 and for 1000 pts, I will need to know what your HQ is, what upgrades are you planning for your terminators and what guns are you giving your devs outside of the missile launchers. This of course assumes you're using a CAD and not the Baal Strike Force or the Fleash Tearer's detachment from Shield of Baal.

For now, I suggest focusing on making a legitimate 500 pts list first. Get a few games in, home in on what you like and then build a 1000 pts list from that
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>>51974444
None can deny that Macha will be the best leader the Eldar ever had.
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>>51975402
some perverted artist with an eldar fetish im guessing
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>>51975090

Learn to type, fucking phoneposting faggot underageb& shit head
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>>51975431

>best leader
>her leadership got hijacked by a fucking Swooping Hawk
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>>51975227
Is there any more of this? For research purposes.
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>>51975433
How can eldar be a fetish when they're vanilla?
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>>51974894
Wednesday usually
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>>51975328
Which mission were you playing?
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>>51974700
Just found the Duncan guide, this is a godsend, thanks anon.

>>51974876
How would you feel about units with four frag cannons, to play with or against?
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>>51974561
>Eldar
>Better than Daemons or Tau when the Taunar is allowed

Ebin
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>>51975115
I am confused. Why a razorback and what is the purpose of a land raider? In related thoughts, I think you're actually over loaded on transport type vehicles and you don't have enough boots to carry the fight.
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After a lot of thinking I think I'll decide on this to be the final list I'll be rolling with.

Body count is way too low, honestly, but I can't finish another 5 Skitarii in time for the game. Would've otherwise dropped a bunch of wargear to expand that unit to 10 guys with 3 Plasma guns.

I feel like I'll have a decent match-up against more elite armies and generally stuff that can't simply overwhelm me through sheer numbers but things like Marine spam or even just a wall of Tyranid or Ork infantry are a bit of a nightmare. Bringing 27 combined wounds over 14 bodies is fucking scary.
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>>51975238
>Are you looking to run a deathstar style list or are you looking for better force projection?
Hmm, I guess if I can make an expensive but elite deathstar-lite list work I'd love that, though I guess I'd want to split it up into about two killy squads rather than one huge star. Is that possible/viable? How many Thunderwolves should I take in a squad with this approach? What about Fenrisian Wolves?

>The wulfen do not need hammers. The frost claws are better in my opinion
Is the axe ever worth it or should I always spring for claws? I think I'll take one hammer dude per squad because modelling him will be fun, and I guess he can take a couple of high-AP hits.

>Will there be anything else?
Last questions, I think. What do you think of the relics? Also, if I'm reading it right, going all the way with Champions of Fenris locks me into that relic list, right? Are there any from the default list I might consider using an allied CAD or small formation to bring?

Finally, I was thinking of using a melee-geared Leviathan as the army's centerpiece. It should fit in well if I'm using Dreads in pods anyway, but it's a lot of points. Will I have to handicap the rest of my army to bring it? We're escalating to either 1850 or 2k, so.
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>>51975464
it's from the /aco/ warhammer threads, there's an archive somewhere.
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>>51975517
Good thing the Taunar has only been allowed in one (1) relevant tournament and probably won't be again until FoC rebalances it.
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>>51975328

Sweet banner bearer.
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>>51975577
>implying FoC will balance the Tau units
>implying it won't buff XV9s through the roof, leave the R'varna unchanged because it was already nerfed, and keep the Y-vahra as-is because wow it's just not as durable so it's ok
>implying Peltasts won't get nerfed to their 30k equivalents because of xenos bitching, and the 30k Mechanicum shit will be heavily limited or have shit rules
Optimistic anon over here
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>>51975526
Razorback is there for AA and transporting a Combat Squad when I need a quick rush.

LRC also serves as a dsitraction and/or easy transport to launch the Captain and some men. More than likely just a gunboat.
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>>51975550
So you answered the guy asking about Eldar porn, but not the guy asking for painting guides.
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>>51975638
Eldar porn is a stable of 40k. And, don't disparage Duncan like that.
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>>51975115
Why a grav pistol though.
Looks pretty fun though, maybe put some terminators in the land raider to give it some more oomph?
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>>51975638
I don't want to live in a world where its the other way around.
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>>51975621
XV9s are virtually unusable right now, and the R'Varna is underpowered.
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>>51975393
Can't judge the IG part, never played them, but as for the AdMech:
I'd take Arc Rifles on your Rangers, especially if you want to give the Alpha the shield. They're very good at sprinting over the field quickly and right onto vehicles to pop with those rifles. Can even go so far as to buy a Arc Pistol as well to make them a dedicated anti-vehicle unit. Not a fan of the Cognis Manipulator, especially if using the Icarus Array. The Dunecrawler will mostly just sit in the back and if it does get focused it'll often either die in one turn or should've killed a flier already.

If you want to save some more points and don't want to have your Rangers as a footslogging anti-vehicle squad, you could consider taking a Holy Requisitioner instead of the Congregation. You'll lose the Grav and second Canticle use but those Canticles are only ever going to be minimum size anyway and Deep Striking 12 Haywire shots without scatter can be fucking scary.

If you do decide to make all of those changes, it'd get you 75 extra points. I'd probably spend those on another Plasma Caliver, an Omnispex for both units of Skitarii and the remaining 25 on a Cognis Stubber for the Crawler, an Infoslave Skull for the Dominus and maybe a Hydraulic Claw for a Breacher.
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>>51975676
>virtually unusable
>because they share a slot with Riptides
get a load of this Taufag
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>>51975546
You can definitely split the thunderwolves into smaller but still killy squads. I'd say stick to 3 man squads, hammers and shields all around. That'll run you 255 a squad, or 510 for the whole thing. Now if you're running dreads in your elite slot, run the 2 squads of wulfen as the Murderpack formation. It makes your wulfen buffs amazing. So a rough calculation would be 440 for the wulfen, 510 for the thunderwolves, about 350 for the dreads in pods is 1300. At 1850, that leaves you with 550 pts. Set aside about 200 pts for your HQ and the rest of your pts can go to fenrisian wolves. you can fit in 43 models and change with those pts. You probably won't need that much - maybe half that so the remaining pts can go to mroe dreads like the leviathan. I don't know how much a leviathan costs though so you'll have to work that out yourself.

I don't think the axe is ever worth it. S6 ap2 shred at i5 with shred and an extra attack is a fucking bargain at 12 pts. The attack at initiative is great because you get another attack on the off chance that you die.

If you do champions of fenris, you're locked into the relics list. There aren't especially great ones, but the claws are fun cos they make your HQ RIP AND TEAR. Other than that, nothing comes to mind. As far as allies are concerned, the army eats a lot of points as shown above. I don't know if you have the space for allies.

Hope this helps
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>>51975704
XV9s are a Fast Attack option. Riptides are an Elite option, and in WAAC lists are normally taken in their own independent formation.

If you're not shitposting and actually want to discuss it, the issue with XV9s is that they're way overcosted and come with tax upgrades that try to force it into a niche that simply isn't supported by its stats and loadout.
A pair of Crisis Suits does a much better job for the same cost, on top of other benefits.
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Does it ever get you down that 90% of these threads are the same, made different purely by the particulars of the potential lists posted, outside when new stuff actually releases?
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>>51975765
yeah, i'm glad that the board is now moderated so those filthy drawfags and writefags no longer come here
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>>51975328
>unpainted Eldar

I would slap this lazy nigger for playing cheese without even fucking trying to make an effort.
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Should I bring models to paint while I wait in line for a switch
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>>51975846
Dear lord no..
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>>51974061
Different anon, thanks for the advice. Been posting my shitty lists for a few days trying to get advice but can never get a response.
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How's this list?

1500 Blood Host

++Slaughtercult++
-Herald, 55
+Greater Loci of Fury, 20
+The Brazen Rune, 15
Total, 90

-2xBloodletters, 80 (160)
+Bloodreaper, 5
+Instrument of Chaos, 10
+Banner of Blood, 20
Total, 115 (230)

-Posessed, 150

++Charnel Cohort++
-Herald, 55
+Greater Loci of Fury, 20

-2xBloodletters, 80 (160)
+Bloodreaper, 5
+Instrument of Chaos, 10
+Banner of Blood, 20
Total, 115 (230)

-Flesh Hounds, 80

-Bloodcrushers, 135

-4xSkull Cannon, 500

1490

>>51975846
Like, the Nintendo Switch? At a physical location? For what purpose?
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>>51975882
>For what purpose?
Ive got to wait in line over 9 hours and will be bored?
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Post lists you would love to at least try if they had any chance of not losing every game and cost several hundred dollaroonies.
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>>51975846
No, everyone will you're autistic
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>>51975891
>waiting in line for that piece of trash
It's actually worse than the Wii U tho. It legitimately is.

Also
>waiting in line for anything on the first day/week
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>>51975907
Know*
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>>51975489
Deadlock
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>>51975846
please do

show everyone what kind of people that like nintendo
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>>51973222
r8 my 1250 point list. Battlewagon combo with KFF big mek and weirdboy is mostly a distraction carnifex that will spew the 5++ invul to the deffdreads. Also the weirdboy will be able to cast spells in safety from there since he can't take a bike.
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>>51975891
Then just bring a book or a laptop or a tablet or a phone or a 3DS or anything instead.
Hell, even bringing a hooker to blow you while waiting would probably not draw as much attention and be as weird.
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>>51975921
>GREY PLASTIC

fasldfkjd;sasfd
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>>51975662
Just to soften up big targets and force easy wounds on 2+ save models. Also it's super Archaic looking and I've never used one before.
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>>51975924
Well it's illegal for one thing
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>>51975924
>1252pts

remove a grot ya grot
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How's this Alpha Legion mob for a two-man team game against Deldar and Necrons?
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>>51975971
>>51975960
>>51975924
Forgot shiet, one grot removed from gretchin squad so now its 1249 points. Plus its casual anyways.
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>>51975904
I want a run a 200+ cultist list but . . . they don't really do much. And that would require a fuckload of converting to keep your dudes from being too samey, wew.
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>>51975921
Ynnari fags are the worst
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What do you guys think of my first effort? I know my trim is shit and Ive overdone the wash in some areas. Also Im missing colours for highlights on the Black and Ushabti for the Khaki and no face or gun colours....

But hell, all Ive got is the Start Painting set, right now Im mostly priming and gluing.
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>>51975995
>>51975924
are you planning to have the big mek in the battlewagon? that would only give the battlewagon 5++.

other than that the list looks fine for a casual list.
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Woah I found next weeks pre orders.
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Can someone give me their opinion on this list? Even though I've had all this and more for a while, I've never actually played at 1850.
Does it look good? Or fun? I'm afraid I won't have enough to deal with blobs. Should I switch out some fusion blasters?
Sorry for Tau
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>>51976074
>only $100
please anon, you know they'd charge at least $200 for a kit of four, large miniatures
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I really hope somebody is going to sell Guilliman's base separately on eBay.
That thing is the best part of the Triumvirate for me.
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>been leaning on space marines a really long time but really like orks
>cave in, I buy orks
>super excited to start Ork army, bought lotsa boyz and gitz
>suddenly, Gathering Storm
>Really surprised by this and want to get in on the story mission fun
>almost none of it involves Orks
>only one cheap side intro mission and I'd need mechanicus to play against and I do t have any (only Wargamer in my county area probably)
>tfw wasted money and could've started astra militarum and reenacted fall of cadia
>and for some reason my card is declining when I try to buy any models now
>tfw
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>>51975739
Alright, thanks for all the advice man. I'll try to put it to use in the weeks to come. And now to plan out all those conversions and shit
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>>51974265
Come back GGA
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I fucking hate this game
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>>51976102
>preorder Triumvirate
>start up some Ebay auctions that end on the day of release
>Sell Cypher and GK dude for like $40 each
>Sell Guilliman for cheaper because his base will not be included
>Guilliman still sells anyway because his model is going to sell like hotcakes no matter what
>literally profit
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>>51976104
>interested in Orks
>starts Orks
>complains that campaign against Chaos involves no Orks
>says buying Orks was a mistake because there were no Orks in a campaign that came out after you already bought them
You are a fucking moron.
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>>51976060

Besides being sideways, it ain't bad.

The face/skin could use a wash and/or highlight. Reikland fleshshade works great as either.

The yellow is thick, and the red is a few spots to be cleaned.

I've seen worse first models. Keep at it.
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>>51976155

Might as well use bits of paper and call them Skitarii then
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>>51976104
>expecting Orks to get anything good, ever

That was your first mistake.
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>>51976104
have patience, orks will be the involved in this, or will get another armageddon.
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>>51975326
Not weird at all. You spend a lot of time and money on your models, be proud take a picture.
>>51975587
Thanks
>>51975328
>>51975941
>>51976055
He just got the models and I had fun playing cut him some slack. He paints his armys.
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>>51975904
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>>51976252
GW hates Orks. They'll get nothing from this outside of "Orks were here and fought with [protagonist] and lost"
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Hey /tg/, I'm having a game right now playing as Orks! Mob rule is a bitch. Does it look like I'm winning???
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>>51973332
Night Lords have a great theme song
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>>51976304
The only way Orks can win, is if the opponent lets them win.
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>>51976136
why are you still here? just to suffer?

>>51975928
i'm a tad jealous blowjobs and hookers are that common in your meta
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>>51976340
>his meta doesn't have the Tau player who spends all his money on bitches and blow to do during games instead of paint for his models
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>>51973332
Tau have really cool models.

Eldar have some interesting lore, and cool models.

I play Guard and hate how fucking long it has taken me to paint nearly 250 soldiers
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>>51975904
I just want to run three ogryn auxilas but they're so expensive and shit that I can't justify it
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>>51976304
>all those boys about to eat tons of twin-linked OW shots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk&index=13&list=PLA2E936E463806D19

I salute their valiant effort and sacrifice.
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>>51976351
Fuck, I can barely be bothered to paint a unit of my skellingtons.
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Fellow Tau players a friend of mine is selling me his recast experimental cadre(unpainted) for 40 dollars. Is this a good buy? Looks like 95% accuracy on the models too.
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>>51974828
>Dark Eldar and Eldar are friends again and love eachother now.

No, a chunk of Eldar and Dark Eldar society has since converted to the new religion, but there are still a shit-ton of regular Eldar and Dark Eldar who ain't buying it and at best mistrust the servants of Ynnead.
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>>51976418
yes
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>>51976415
How to easymode Necrons:

Base coat Leadbelcher
Wash of Nuln Oil
Little bits of green details
Drybrush for shinier metals if desired

The only thing 'hard' about Necrons is going through the bases and adding finishing touches.
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>>51976440
Biel-Tan is the only Craftworld that has ever mattered, especially if you consider Taldeer and others to not be important characters, which they aren't. It's not just a chunk. It's the only chunk of Eldar that do things in the canon.
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>>51976463
>Eldrad
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>>51976480
>Eldrad
one character
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>>51973590
Gw is based in Nottingham
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Can someone tell me where to download the Fracture of Biel-Tan book?
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>>51976509
http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/40k-cod-sup/gathering-storm-fracture-of-bieltan-tablet.html
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>>51975054
Well, for the record, the local Slaanesh player is a pretty cool guy who helps out new players with modeling and painting advice, and likes to play casual games with them to help get them in the game and then assrape with a Kakophani and Raptor Talon against my mech-guard, jesus christ does he love Ignores Cover shit. He's actually pretty normal too, and really a pleasant person to be around, and is simultaneously super-into the lore (the motherfucker created this hybrid Eldar symbol for "Fear" and "Woe" as the badge of his warband, sculpted in Green Stuff on everything and worked into all sorts of stuff, and has basically named all of his characters and has an insanely detailed background on his entire warband) while being very Your Dudes and willing to help you develop your own lore for your guys in a way that's accurate to the fluff.

Now, the local Nurgle player is exactly as you'd think he'd be.
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>>51974901
>>51975232
>>51975328

I just gotta say, your army looks really well painted. How did you get that red on your vehicles?
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>>51975454
>>her leadership got hijacked by a fucking Swooping Hawk

Would you say that the new guy just kind of swooped in?
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>>51976538
I'm picturing a heavy neckbeard who stinks like shit and has a pretty poorly painted army, either in lack of effort or thick paint.
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>>51976463
>Biel-Tan is the only Craftworld that has ever mattered,
>who is Saim-Hainn
>who is Uthwe
>who is Lugganoth

Biel-Tan may have been the Cadia of the Eldar, but it was FAR from the only Craftworld who did shit.
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>>51976538
>http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/40k-cod-sup/gathering-storm-fracture-of-bieltan-tablet.html

No, the PDF or EPUB version for free...
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>>51974029
it should be in the mega
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>>51976444
I know, but I don't really want to do the most vanilla scheme possible.
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>>51976597
>Uthwe
Sure.
>Saim-Hainn
>Lugganoth
May as well not exist.
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>>51976581
If you're referring to the Nurgle player, you'd be correct.

The Slaanesh guy is actually a pretty fit dude who puts a shitload of time into his guys, and keeps cycling out his older models with more and more elaborately converted models for the same unit.

For example, all of his Havocs and Chosen have Raptor heads, arms, and shoulder pads, while they have Rubric Marine legs and bodies. The gemstones on the armor he passes off as captured soul stones, because his army has a raging hateboner for Eldar in their lore.
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>>51976081
I don't know what the xv9's stats are but I can tell you off the bat that you have a serious problem of not enough boots on the table. I suppose the y'vahra is tough enough to tank some shots but for how long? And those single model crisis suit squads are just begging to give up first blood. It's a very dicey list and I'm not entirely sure where you're going with it
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>>51976610
Swap Leadbelcher for Retribution Armor.

>BEHOLD MY GOLDEN ARMY

alternatively, you now have blinged out negrons

>bonus points for modeling slotted sunglasses and making gangsta blastin crons
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>>51976614
>>Saim-Hainn
>may as well not exist
>over half the box art for Eldar models are in Saim-Hainn colors

ok
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>>51975995
ya he will be in there.
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>>51976602
?
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>>51976662
not everything in canon revolves around your epoxy dolls and how you paint them, fag.
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>>51975978
Nobody?
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>>51976104
>this git's worried about some humies problems and not getting ready for the great waagh
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Does anyone have the epub for the new Biel Tan book?
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>>51975978
You should have some havocs with autocannons or heavy bolters if they aren't bringing any vehicles.
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>>51976556
Super easy, prime black, multiple thin coats of Game Color Gory Red, then a wash in that new agrax earthsade gloss.
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>>51976687
What does your ally's list look like?
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>>51975978
I'm not sure how many points your base squad starts at but I'd possibly drop down to 5 and ditch VotLW across the board (unless you really need it for something?) and stick two Champions in the Cultists if you can.
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>>51976662
>Overlord with heavy bling
>Swagcrons incoming
Too bad I'm already doing black/white body with blue glowy bits. Pic related, although a bit older and slight changes since then
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>>51976678
You seem to be a little upset, anon

Show me on the epoxy doll where Yhvraine touched you
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>>51976734
VotlW is free for legions.
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>>51976713
Games Workshop do.
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Where do I go if I want to buy just purity seals? I can't find anything on the website
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>>51976732
A space marine list as made by an idiot who thinks grav is bad.
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>>51976597
Let us not forget all the "fluffy" Saim-Hainn players
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>>51976750

I'm not wasting my money on that junk. I just want to read the fluff.
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>>51975904
I'd love to lead this with a Knight converted into a giant Sentinel.
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>>51976756
Ask the local Marine player for spares, he will have literally shittons and even if he doesn't want to just give them away he should readily accept cash.

Or just any bitz site ever.
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>>51976769
If you want to read it this badly, it's worth paying for. If it's junk then you shouldn't care about reading it, anon.
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>>51976746

Now, with legions getting neat rules, it would be neat if GW (or perhaps more Forge World) released some Legion-agnostic rules for building your own warband.

They could give the Red Corsairs some differing flavor, or give The Oath-Broken some rules, or do something like Imperial Militia and Warp Cults where you can choose two differing, compatible, minor rules that can add a whole lot of fluff and flesh to your own chaos warband.
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>>51974487
Most fluffy space marine armies.
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>>51974901

You mean Eldar anon.
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>>51976760
>thinks grav is bad
literally how

Anyway I'm assuming he has what, Tactical Squads? Maybe a Dread? He should bring a Dread.
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>>51976756
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Purity-Seals
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>>51976801
I believe it's a ten man tac squad, a whirlwind, a librarian, and possibly some sniper scouts.
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>>51976784

I'll wait for the free download. Thanks though.
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>>51976806
Oh thanks, that's convenient. I probably should have checked forge world first first
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>>51976809
Then you'll probably do okay if you use your units to screen his Whirlwind. Always keep some dudes between the Chosen and the enemy until you get in range, though.
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>>51976756
You mean like, the tons of bits every SM player gets with a single squad?

I've got literally hundreds, but derpymail has been giving me issues lately. I'm in the /tg/ discord. say something in there and I'll talk to you about hooking you up with some.
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Not the other Alpha Legion guy, how does this list look for small games? Never played warhams before, but Alpha fluff and infiltrate everything seems pretty neat.
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>>51976771
You'd have to drop the body down and make it look like a mini Warhound, Anon.

>tfw you glued legs on wrong because the fucking instructions told you to and now you have to carefully cut off legs and swap them

fucking gw
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>>51976897
Not enough bodies. Should do maybe 7 and 7 chosen and split up cultists more, and get a couple squads of regular dudes. Vindy is sort of out of place there.
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>>51973222

I hope the person that ruined that model dies a slow and painful death.
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>>51976741
Yhvraine is a false prophet.
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Question, what are the restrictions for taking Jensus Natorian in an army? He comes in a Deathwatch kill team box, but I want to know if I can take him in an army other than Deathwatch.
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>>51976946
Allied detachment? Or just as that small as shit kill team formation in the book. Its not like you can't find a handful of badasses that wouldn't work in every army.
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>>51976946
He must be in a Deathwatch detachment or formation.

Easiest would be an allied detachment with him and a Deathwatch Veteran squad.
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>>51976960
Hmmm. Do you know if he can be taken in the Castellans of the Imperium detachment?

If not I'll probably just ask my group if I can take him in my Bloodraven army.
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>>51976946
>Ortan Cassius
Wait, so you can field Deathwatch Cassius alongside regular Cassius?
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>>51976258
I guess you have a point. Shouldn't be that weird to say I'm taking pics because I like how things look provided the other one doesn't have a grey tide

I just hope that I can actually finish all of those Kataphrons in 2 days. Wish I had one more week, then I'd be able to finish the other 5 Skitarii and expand that unit to 10. Refuse to bring unpainted models.
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Why do bikes give +1T?
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>>51976984
Only legal unique characters are Greyfax, Celestine and the Black Templar chars.
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>>51977028
As a guard player, here's my general rule of thumb:

Base coat black
Layer (or drybrush) color 1
Layer (or drybrush) color 2
Layer (or drybrush) color 3

Until all your models have at least 2-3 colors disregard details like flesh and faces. Once you have your army painted to the point where you can start doing washes and detail work, go through 10-20 dudes per day, no more no less.
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>>51977069
since bikes themselves are most likely tougher than whoever/whatever is riding them, and they're now the primary target over the rider
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>>51976918
Thanks, would some combi melta termis work better than the tank? Could give sorcerer terminator armor for ds and a better bodyguard.
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>>51977097
>shit it's a faggot riding a wolf
>better shoot the wolf first!
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>>51977114
Would you honestly try to hit the smaller target rather than disable the bigger target with a fair chance to murder the rider?

If you cut down a horse on a charge the chances of it falling and crushing the rider, or at least trapping the rider, is pretty high.
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>>51977085
Yeah, did that for the Skitarii but made a cut halfway because I wanted to first and foremost make sure I habe 5 finished to at least have a full unit.

Glad that I got the Kataphron's as far as I did today. Only need to finish highlighting and shading the white, apply the second silver and the gold where necessary and glaze the parts to be blue. Rest is just details. Getting those 4 fucking white coats done feels like such a huge step.
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>>51976826
Bro, save yourself money and just join the /tg/ discord.

I'll literally mail you a $0.30 envelope with some for nothing.
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>>51977136
Well yeah, but why would an unarmoured creature that could easily fall onto and crush the rider make any difference to toughness?
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>>51977114
i never mentioned wolvles or space wolves
also I when I say primary target I meant that the bikes were a larger target than the riders themselves.
as for the wolves idk why they give +1T
what I said applies to jetbikes and normal bikes
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>>51977156
because cavalry
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>>51977136
>"""""smaller""""" target
Marines are like 7' tall, yes I'll be fine because the guy has no cover whatsoever, and his ability to seek cover his hampered by riding a giant fucking wolf
>killing the mount kills the rider
Unless the fall was an absurdly brutal one, no it wouldn't. At best you might trap the rider (killing him for game purposes) but even then, Marines are ridiculously strong, so there's a good chance he can just shift the body out from over him and then run at you by himself.
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>>51977156
>>51977163
I just interpreted it as the mount eating a majority of the hits because it's larger and will get hit more but is also tougher than the rider.
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>>51976985
What's the regular Cassius?
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So I bought the Start Collecting Deathwatch set and a Corvus Blackstar; found them on an awesome sale. I also bought a Librarian to help the small force. This isn't a competitive list or anything, but how does it look? Next step is obviously buying another squad of 10 guys.

Deathwatch Strike Force

HQ: Deathwatch Captain w/ Xenophase Blade, Grav Pistol, Storm Shield, Artificer Armor, Melta Bombs, and The Tome Of Ectoclades 190pt

HQ: Deathwatch Librarian w/ ML2, Melta Bombs, and Dominus Aegis 120pt

Troops: Veteran Squad of 5 w/ a Blackshield w/ a Powerfist and Storm Shield; and 2 Frag Cannons 210pt

Troops: Veteran Squad of 5 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Powerfist and Combi Plasma; and 2 Shotguns 145pt

Transport: Corvus Blackstar w/ Infernium Halo Launcher, Extra Armor, and Hurricane Bolters 205pt

Elites: Venerable Dreadnought w/ Extra Armor 145pt

1000
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>>51976985
>now neither of us will be heretics
>>
Speaking of Toughness, wouldn't it be more logical to first make armor saves, then To Wound?
A shot first has to get through the armor to wound, not first check if it's powerful enough or hits a soft spot to really hurt but then be stopped by the armor.
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>>51977192
A bike I can understand, but the wolves are unarmoured. Sure, they might be hit easier and may be able to take a lasgun shots or two, but any bolter round will explode inside it. I think a big hole in it's body would stop a wolf.
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>>51977205
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>>51977220
That's a play issue, to avoid passing dice back and forth too many times.
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>>51977192
>>51977190
that would be correct for the purposes of wheeled bikes and jetbikes, where the bike is most likely made of stronger materials than the armour of the rider
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>>51977228
It is a wolf big and strong enough to carry a space marine.
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>>51977220
Adding to that, Cover should be a contesting check comparing with the To Hit roll.
Cover save better than the To Hit? The cover was too good and the guy wasn't able to land a shot past it.
Order should be To Hit/Cover -> Armor -> To Wound -> Invuln -> FNP if the system was realistic.
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>>51977271
Cover used to be just a flat modifier to your shot, along with other things. This meant if something was too well hidden or too far away, you'd be looking at BS 1 or 0
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>>51977192
>>51977263
If hte wolf is the target being hit, then why does the quality of theMarine's armor affect how well it taks the hits? As if you buy the rider runic armor and suddenly the wolf has a 2+ save.
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>>51977263
Which is stupid in the first place, the Marines in question weigh how much? Half a ton? More? How the hell can a wolf carry them? I know they're big and all, but I still think it's a stupid idea. Aside from turning the Space Wolves even more into Woof McWolfington: The wolves that wolved wolves wolvingly
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>>51976801
It wouldn't be the first time someone was retarded
One of my friends plays taudar and thinks nids are op
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>>51977299
Yeah, that'd also be a decent solution.

I really hate how it works right now. You already checked if you landed the shot and if it wounds the target. It's not like the bush you're hiding behibd is going to leap into the bullet at the last second and save your life.
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>>51977271
You'd have to overhaul every codex at once to make it work.

>>51977304
The wolf is only reducing the chance of the marine being wounded.
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>>51977312
>>51977328
I suggest you go play second edition. It has a lot more stuff that you're after. Bikes even change it so that the rider effectively has an AV of 10, making them basically mini vehicles
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So for Custodes, do you think the optimal loadout is 3x Sword and Shield, 2x Spear with the Captain being one of the Spear-users?
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>>51977349
Exactly the loadout I used, except that one of the sword users took the banner instead.
They got good results, until the Captain's spear fell off and got lost and I've had to temporarily retire the squad until I get a replacement.
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>>51977342
>2nd edition
But I can't boop-beep with my beep-boops in that and I'm madly in love with then right now.

Did Black Templars already have any special rules back then or was that not until 4th? Still have them as well.
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I regret asking questions
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>>51977349
The optimal custodes loadout would be not to bring any
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>>51977379
At least it sparked a surprisingly civilized discussion.

Whenever I ask something it either goes entirely ignored or I get the absolute most obvious and useless answer imagineable.
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>>51977381
>hating Big Es personal golden bananamen
You are everything that is wrong with todays earth.
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>>51977373
Ah yeah, forgot about the banner, which I wouldn't dream of leaving behind.
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>>51977335
This would also modify markerlights
cover saves should be allowed to be taken against markerlights themselves.
if this is allowed, then 2 markerlights to ignore cover wouldn't be that bad, maybe 3 to ignore it completely
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>>51977299
>shooting modifers like whfb
>orks now hit on 9s( roll a 6+ then 3+)
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>>51977445
Sure, but even a 5+ in each category is enough to give a 1% chance to take a wound.
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>>51976746
pretty sure its free if u stick with the traitor legions requirements which you dont. so its not free for that list
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>>51977465
sorry, I don't understand anything from that sentence
a 5+ in what category?
1% chance to take a wound when?
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>>51977497
A 5+ for each save is enough to give you a 98% success rate.
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Reminder that there is a fresh thread that exists here

>>51973251
>>51973251
>>51973251
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>>51976984
If you just want him for the cool-looking model, just use him a Psyker with the same weapon loadout.

He's actually almost strictly worse than a normal psyker
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>>51977069
Because the bike gets in the way of trying to shoot the git riding it.
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>>51977549
>restricted to biomancy
>a ML2 psyker with free reign is 90 points

no, he's just straight up a worse model. he doesn't even have chapter tactics.
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>>51977074
And Yarrick plus the Inquisition special chars.
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>>51977074
Pask from AM can also be taken.
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>>51976392
thanks anon. We lost, valiantly. I just couldn't hurt the Knight, no matter what I threw at it. 3 rounds of 30+ Loota shots, A strafing run by a dakka jet, a volly of 15 rockets from Tank Bustas.

This was my 3rd game since the inception of the new Ork dex: Orks are fucked...we got completely cucked with the new mob rule... not to mention heavy support is a fucking disaster... almost no one can take battlewagons as dedicated transport (not even warbosses)

pic related... it wasnt a rape fest, but I know I would have won if I was using the 5th edition dex
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I got to work on building up my first Deathwatch team and am thrilled to see cloaked bodies and cowled heads in the kits. Other than Deathwatch vets and DA vet kits, anyone know any good sources of robed bodies/cloaks/capes/cowled heads?
Obviously I'm a DA player and in attempt to make my marines a little more visually stimulating and unique I'd like to acquire some more of their signature bits.

Just kidding I'm a robes fetishist

...posted in /wip/ too, whoops
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>>51976597

Biel-tan was never the Cadian equivalent. It's never been relevant except this one time. Ulthwe and Alaitoc have always been far more central.
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>>51978354
There are too few terrain anon.
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>>51976654
fuck i need to do this
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>>51977473
He meets all the requirments. For alpha legion it's no unique units, no marked units, all units that can take VotLW for free.
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