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Never gonna give you up

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The hunt for feedback continues.

Pls r8

1500 Blood Host

++Slaughtercult++
-Herald, 55
+Greater Loci of Fury, 20
+The Brazen Rune, 15

-2xBloodletters, 80 (160)
+Bloodreaper, 5
+Instrument of Chaos, 10
+Banner of Blood, 20
Total, 115 (230)

-Posessed, 150

++Charnel Cohort++
-Herald, 55
+Greater Loci of Fury, 20

-2xBloodletters, 80 (160)
+Bloodreaper, 5
+Instrument of Chaos, 10
+Banner of Blood, 20
Total, 115 (230)

-Flesh Hounds, 80

-Bloodcrushers, 135

-4xSkull Cannon, 500

1490

So the Novel dump is getting a little out of date. Anyone have an updated one? I've been trying to get my hands on Carcharodons: Red Tithe since it came out but... you know unwillingness to pay.

>>51975628
Looks shit, fuck off. Thousand Sons are already strong enough.

Are there any novels or lore or whatever that shows chaos cult troops interacting? I'm trying to imagine what that would be like. For example, the Crimson Slaughter and Black Legion have all varieties of cult troops in their ranks, but it seems like every time cult troops are mentioned in any fluff, they are the focus and it doesn't really go into how they are around other csm or cult dudes.

I'm thinking about fielding a list with a unit to represent each god, i.e. nurgle bikers, noise marines, khorne terminators, tzeentch something, idk yet so this got me pondering this subject.

>>51977417
Not him but you're wrong.

Magnus is good, everything else is shit. You can get to a slightly higher tier if you absolutely don't bring Rubrics and build deathstars with Termies and assloads of Sorcerers, but it's still shit and would do better in a Tzeentch-flavored CSM list, and give that Tzeentch CSM are balls that's saying something.

>>51977516
Thousand sons are fine, maybe you should just get good and learn how to play, instead of relying on shitty homebrew rules to get wins.

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>>51977417
>>51977531
>thousand sons are fine because magnus is good

>>51977531
>I can't counter his points so I'll just assert that he plays Thousand Sons and uses that homebrew
Kek, nice try buddy.

What should I take on Soul Grinders? I have two in my current list and want to outfit them the same.

Lads. I was just reading Inferno and it does a bit about Space Furfags killing some xenos before going to rekt Magnus. It said they were killing the Psychueniun or however it's spelled. You know, those things the Ethereals befriended. Now the interesting bit is they said that they're Warp related. So the Ethereals are using Warp creatures to help them do shit... is that why they don't want t he Warp researched?

reposting once more before I drop it

What did the people of Prospero look like? Were they all red like magnus? Are any alive outside of the thousand sons sorcerers?

>>51977451
Talon of Horus shows a bunch of legionaries from different legions gelling as the foundation for the black legion.

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>>51975628
>Assault D3 Lascannons with Soul Blaze

>>51977561
>>51977571
Rubric marines are fine, stop being babies. They literally have AP3 BOLTERS. That's insane, I wish my army had something that good.

>>51977671
What's your army, anon?

>>51977617
>What did the people of Prospero look like?
Normal people, whatever ethnicity ancient Egyptians were n sheit
>Were they all red like magnus?
No, Magnus was red because of his fucked genes
>Are any alive outside of the thousand sons sorcerers?
Spire Guard may be alive but I doubt many of them are still human in 40k.

>>51977671
and mathhammer says those AP3 bolters are dogshit for the points. a 5 man squad of rubrics kills about the same number of MEQ as a 5 man squad of CSM with a combi and plasma gun, except the CSM are 50 points cheaper. neither do much killing, and that is before cover saves are taken into account.

>>51977617
>What did the people of Prospero look like?
Like regular humans, probably

>Were they all red like magnus?
I don't think anyone but Magnus is mentioned as redskinned.

>Are any alive outside of the thousand sons sorcerers?
Probably not. The Space Wolves razed the planet, after the Heresy the Scouring happened, and to top it all off it was in the Ultima Segmentum, so probably close to Ultramar, where the Ultramarines would have a watchful eye on the planet, so that nobody sets foot on it again. Or it was just exterminatus'd in the end
But maybe you could fluff yourself some prosperians as secret cultists and slaves, who were just close when Magnus teleported everything out.

>>51977671
>23ppm
>S4 gun
>S&P
>MEQ
>fine
Kek'd harder than I do at the name Aeldari, excellent bait friend

>>51977701
cool, part of the fluff for my cultists is that they were born from my kabal's attempt to restore the extinct prosperan genome

so can someone explain to me where the rule is that states that bs6+ removes get hot

>>51977758
Under the gets hot special rule.

>>51977758
If you reroll 1s your chance of rolling Gets Hot drops to 1/36, and as we all know, 1/36 is 0.

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So I bought the Start Collecting Deathwatch set and a Corvus Blackstar; found them on an awesome sale. I also bought a Librarian to help the small force. This isn't a competitive list or anything, but how does it look? Next step is obviously buying another squad of 10 guys.

Deathwatch Strike Force

HQ: Deathwatch Captain w/ Xenophase Blade, Grav Pistol, Storm Shield, Artificer Armor, Melta Bombs, and The Tome Of Ectoclades 190pt

HQ: Deathwatch Librarian w/ ML2, Melta Bombs, and Dominus Aegis 120pt

Troops: Veteran Squad of 5 w/ a Blackshield w/ a Powerfist and Storm Shield; and 2 Frag Cannons 210pt

Troops: Veteran Squad of 5 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Powerfist and Combi Plasma; and 2 Shotguns 145pt

Transport: Corvus Blackstar w/ Infernium Halo Launcher, Extra Armor, and Hurricane Bolters 205pt

Elites: Venerable Dreadnought w/ Extra Armor 145pt

1000

>>51977587
avoid the s10 single shot (unless you're doing the triple soul grinder formation and it's still questionable). flamer is great if you're deep striking but the ordnance is where it's at since daemons lack a lot of ranged shooting

marks are taken to taste, sword is meh

>>51973251
Players of canon chapters with well established lore (mostly Space Wolves, but also any player of a well-established chapter like Ultramarines or BA) how do you fluff Your Dudes? Do you literally just take the company you like the most and build your army themed around that?

Doesn't sound like there's a whole lot of room for diversity and freedom to pursue your own ideas for Your Dudes.

>>51977561
somebody took the time to make this

>>51977848
>your dudes

must your push your campaign in every thread? some like the set chapters/characters/etc

>>51977874
>your campaign
What? You must be confusing me with someone else, anon.

>he doesn't like making His Dudes

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Couldn't find a WIP thread, but Im really happy with my heldrakes and wanted to share. Camera quality is shit but man its not about the paintjob, its about how I modeled them.

Guys I need help. I need to find something killier than a naut.

Any ideas?

>>51975628
That's some serious wish listing

>>51977911
They look nice! But how are you going to paint all the bits and pieces nobody will ever see because they're hidden underneath the wings?

>>51977942
Maybe put Nobz into it?

>>51977942
Have you tried putting Flash Gitz in your Naut?

>>51977897
every thread someone mentions "your dudes" like they're trying to make something of it. i'll admit i'm more into painting and playing then fluff

>>51977986
Well, it's a game where you can paint an army the way you like it and make stories about their battles. People like it.

>>51977781
>grav pistol
>melta bombs on someone that will almost guaranteed not be using them
>mixing melee + shooting upgrades
>combi-weapons on deathwatch (just take the special and a bolter)
>extra armor

Those are the main issues I see.

>>51977971
Is that legal?

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>>51978020
It is, but it shouldn't be. Flash Gitz are disgustingly killy already and putting them in a Naut might make it difficult for you to find games.

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>>51978020
I hope not. But who knows, Orks are really fired up, they can do whatever they want! Crazy I say, crazy!

>>51977911
Those look pretty sweet.

>>51977781
For 14 models its a MASSIVE amount of points. I'd seriously consider working on reducing your playable points. For something super casual, a few bad rolls are going to still seriously gimp you; more than DW normally does. Drop extra armor from everything, drop the grav pistol, probably drop the frag cannons and try to work in some bikers, maybe, or work in another squad. Something to increase your numbers a bit more. The blackstar will be pretty good consistent damage, all things considered, and a good delivery system for your mini deathstar, watch out for getting models picked off.

This hasn't been an attempt to make this list competitive, just something to ease the burden of bad rolls. Elite armies hurt from them..

Good luck! :D

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>>51978031

That's what you get for combining one of the premier shooting units in 40K together with a perfect unit.

>>51978031
I'll save it for that one cheese lord that uses hellions then. Thanks.

>>51977911
I love that kinda wyverny look

>>51977848

I'd say there's a good deal.

40k as a setting stretches across several millennia, and there's not a whole lot of Chapters that have complete company lists for characters across that breadth of time. It's possible these fights take place in forgotten ages or against unspeakable foes.

Otherwise, maybe they just don't care and like the Chapter and characters. Nothing wrong with that.

>>51977624

In his defence, that's literally pulled straight from the a exalted Flamer

>>51977966
Ugh, by taking forever. The pink one must have at least 10 hours of painting put into it and it still needs a ton of detailing and touching up. They really do draw people from across a store though.

>>51978072
Ty! I hate the look of the base heldrake, thankfully the demon engine kits are easy to convert.

>>51978089
Yeah, me too. Mine actually look like they're sort of creature that could land and walk around, I like to imagine them bunched together on the hangar decks fighting with each other as a warpsmith lowers slaves via crane to feed them.

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>>51973251
how does this 1500pts Imperial Fists army look? will mostly be playing against orks and imperial guard but might face some space marines too.

i got most of the stuff already so im hoping the list isnt too retarded.

>>51978169
Sniper scouts aren't very good, Id drop them.

>>51973251
>First Rank Fire Second Rank Fire goes off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ-EOg38t1o

>>51975628
Can't read pdf for some reason

>>51978146
You know what, man? You've inspired me. I'm gonna try the wyvern look if I ever make a heldrake. Good work dude.

>>51978220
Well, now that Ive got the pair I like to joke that Im trying to get them to breed. Id love to see other players adopt their broodlings~

>>51977848
That is pretty much how it goes down. I made up my own chapter with chapter traits (Archangels), and realized the fluff I had for them was almost word for word the Crimson Fists, but with Chaos instead of Orks. Went with 5th company because Captain Cortez is the baddest man in space. With him MIA though I can play around a bit with HQs and make my own characters. Since I ran a black hole captain (RB, SS, AA) I decided he was the company champion beforehand and really enjoys when he gets to do his old job again, namely mercing people in challenges. He is terrified of failure (real or imagined) and takes casualties personally. Like Kantor, he believes Cortez is still alive since death won't take that man without a fight. He's the old metal Emperor's Champion model with a shield slapped on.

>>51977671
Once upon a time they had two wounds.

>>51977703
>except the CSM are 50 points cheaper.
and dont generate warpcharge for daddy mangus, and dont have a 4++
troll harder

>>51978319
>4++

Wasting low ap on marines

>>51975628
Makes everything better. Doesn't fix their rediculous costs. Try again

>>51978305
They should still have 2 wounds, in both fluff and crunch

>>51977781

You're giving your guys way too much stuff.

Captain- ditch tome. replace xenophase/grav pistol with thief of secrets/bolt pistol. 30 pts saved

Librarian- drop dominus aegis. You will always move. 20 pts saved

Troop 1- ok I guess that's alright
Troop 2- ditch powerfist/combi plasma, ditch shotguns- they have no transport and will be killed. 35 pts saved

ditch the extra armors.

With the points you save, you can have a whole other squad of vets.

Also, formations are your friend for deathwatch. They really need them.

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What factions of space marines/chaos space Marines are purple?

>>51978364
Emperors Children.

>>51978364

One of the Companies of the Ultramarines (8th?), the Soul Drinkers, Sons of Jaghatai... Not that many I can think of off the top of my head.

>>51978375
Are there more? I could end up making up my own faction but I kind of like sticking to prexisting ones .

>>51978336
>what is Rending, battlecannons, kustom mega kannons etc
good one anon

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I'm hoping they make a new Guard group the main one with when they update the Models. What do you guys think would be a good substitute?

I'm thinking the one and only.

>>51978420

Cadians have always been a classic, but with Cadia blown to chunks they might lose prominence.

Personally, I'd cast my vote for Valhallans, but they don't exactly have an all-weather kind of look to them. Mordians might be better, but they're probably just going to redesign the whole Cadian line into Nova Cadians.

>>51978420
I would hope they add regiment tactics, as something similar to legion tactics in order to allow for the multiple guard regiments to be represented.
Maybe add in some multiple regiment kits or conversion kits.
I would love some karskin, harakoni warhawks and phantine air corps for some imperial navy integration with the guard

>>51978450

Shit, how could I forget about Warhawks. I'd love Warhawks as a kit.

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I almost want to get the new Kharn just to paint him. When the fuck are the other Chaos characters going to get their new models? Abaddon is in desperate need of a less shitty sculpt.

>>51978455
so would I
What I do is get tempestus scions and give them grav chute packs from elysian drop troops, which I already have an army for, though I'd like them to get an update
I still want regiment tactics
and stormtrooper operations to return as stormtrooper tactics, for karskin and warhawks since they're stormtrooper regiments

>>51978344

W2 was generally considered worthless since the primary anti-marine weapons at the time were Battlecannons and Krak Missiles, which ID them. The 4+ invuln was supposed to fix that, but then volume fire eats them like normal marines. They either have terminator problems or 'nid warrior problems.

>>51978393
and Rending, 4th ed rending was off the chain.

>>51978450
The return of Regimental Doctrines or something like it would be awesome. Close order drill wouldn't be such a no-brainer now.

>>51978441
I honestly think Mordians are the worst regiment. Their outfits are just so...Boring. it could just be bad sculpts but they have so many problems.

>>51978466
Just use the forgeworld one, and give him a deamon sword. he looks fucking sweet

>>51978466
What's the new model? The one in your image?

The one with him with a bear arm running is just awful.

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A friend of mine wants to start playing Kill Team. I like the idea of a small squad-based 40k game and he seems really keen on it so I want to play as well. I haven't really played any 40k in the last 10 years or so and I don't really know what I'm doing. My current collection is a meager 3 Tyranid Warriors, 20 Genestealers, and about 25-30 Termigaunts.

We're probably going to just be doing 200 pt skirmishes to start off. Can I just play a bunch of Genestealers, and if I do, will they be at least somewhat competitive? The purest joy I know in 40k is watching space smurfs getting torn to pieces.

>>51978544

I know GSC Genestealer Kill Teams can be very powerful. Not sure about pure Tyranid ones, but you can run them as GSC for better rules if need be, they're the same model.

>>51978544
>>51978581

I should also mention that it's a perfect intro to Kill Team because it'd be just like Space Hulk.

>>51977624
A, Soul Blaze doesn't mean much, especially not against the targets a lascannon goes for.

B, the torrent is the more powerful part.

C, it's got less than half the range of a Lascannon.

D, it's WC2. That means your 150 and 250 point psyker units will operating at a significant deficit to cast it. Even your HQ psykers will bebusing their entire psychic contribution in order to cast it.

OK marinefags can you tell me why you actually enjoy your army? It's all the same squatty, awkward guys with terrible proportion compared to what they should look like. I could get it if they looked awesome, like this picture, but they don't. I honestly think Cadians currently look better than Marines. Fuck even sisters look better and they are ALL METAL HOLY FUCK.

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>>51978598
Erm this picture.

>>51978466
What is the pic exactly? A lord of skulls conversion?

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>>51978598
I repose mine to stand.
And take lots of cultists/demons.

>>51978623
I can't stand the look of most chaos Marines. They all look too flashy. Like instead of a themed approach they pretty much universally just throw ugly spikes on everything and call it a day.

>>51978623
Sorry anon, but the guy on the left looks like he is taking a dump.

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>>51978581
>>51978587
Thanks for the info anon. And yeah, I think my buddy picked up on the potential for space hulk-y goodness when I told him I wanted to play nids; he immediately replied he was going to run terminators if that was the case.

>>51978675
It also looks like guys legs were absurd if and crudely reattached to the sides like a dreadnaught.

>>51978693
HAHA HOLY FUCK I JUST NOTICED. KEKEKEK.

>>51978623
How did you go about doing this? The leg reposing, I mean.

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pls r8

>>51978709
Badly by the look of it.

>>51978706
Pardon my poor grammar.

>>51978716
Yup. Squatting looks better.

>>51978715
Looks fun. Heaps of bullshit toughness dudes. If they ever release decent looking Marines I totally would build nurgle Marines.

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>>51978169
unless you're making tiny heavy weapon teams to camp, I wouldn't make a big blob of tacticals with no transportation. Ditch one of the HQs.

Lascannons and heavy flamers is pretty schizo. If you want to attack light/medium infantry or assault, go for heavy flamer, fist, assault cannon/plasma cannon (but really take an ironclad. really. take an ironclad). If you want expensive long range anti tank take a missile launcher and lascannon. For the same price though you could be taking a squad of imperial fists lascannon devastators, have 4 shots, and be deadlier against armor with tank hunters.

A vindicator is good. Two vindicators is better. This is a good decision.

Thunderfire cannons will never ever do you wrong ever.

Sniper scouts are meh.

Terminators are bad and will never be good and I'm sorry. Never expect anything from these guys. I'm a bit preferential to the cyclone missile launcher for imperial fists personally because you can still shoot the storm bolter.

You should consider running a sternhammer detachment because twinlinking bolt weapons is good. Unless you are dead set on including one squad of scouts or one terminator squad - for those choices you would have to include a 1st or 10th company auxiliary.

I hope informing you that terminators are bad does not upset you. I have included a picture of an imperial fists cataphractii that, ideally, will distract you and provide enjoyment.

>>51978598
Have you seen the new Marine models?

I'm looking for some commentary here, but I'm looking for a balanced Deathwatch Terminator Squad.

Thinking of 5 Terminators, 2 Assault Cannons with Chainfists, and a pair of Lightning Claws. Plenty of firepower and good CC entry.

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Have a team tournament coming up, and Im relatively new. Im not expecting to go apeshit in this tourney, but I was looking for some advice for my list. What HQ should I be using? Im considering getting a Fireblade due to the amount of fire warriors Im using. Any changes I should make for under 50usd?

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>>51978731
But anon there are decent looking nurgle marines
You just have to convert them

>>51978739
They are still squatting hard, just a little less than before.

What are good weapons against bike spam as guard? Lots of Flamers?

>>51978751
Wyverns

>>51978709
Take CSM legs, chop them up, pin the whole deal, use a wire to hold it together and GS to fill in the gaps.

>>51978730
Hey, that's your preference. I get tons of compliments on them, though, so I think Im gonna keep doing it.

>>51977953
If someone takes a WAAC list with Magnus, you can just not play against it. It does significantly boost most units in the faction, but most need that boost.

It does decrease costs slightly (30+ points in spell familiars for a Cabal), but I don't think shaving costs is a universally good idea. Some units should be elite units, they should just have an efficacy to match.

>>51977953
Which parts specifically do you find objectionable?

I want a small, elite unit that I can paint fancy and give pimp gear. What is a good choice for IG? Maybe some scions? Enginseer and servitors?

>>51978751
High strength templates, basilisks won't work though.

>>51978715
Lol this looks exactly like one of my lists especially the allied greater demon with a lesser demon squad. Your havoc squad is really vulnerable, Id take the sorcerer off the bike and give them some extra fodder marines to stand in front of the autocannons. Have the sorcerer run around with a rhino mounted squad instead.

Id drop the greater rewards on the greater demon for level 3 psyer, I always take one power from the disciple of your chosen god, and then two from maleficar. Always trade for summoning, ofc.

>>51978598
Because there's enough customization to make basically any kind of ridiculous beatstick characters. A humble Captain has access to 48 different relics, and has the statlines of 20 different characters to choose from should you go the route of stealing another character's statline to represent your own.

SMASHFUCKER and MURDERWINGS are great examples of stupid shit you can pull off. On the other hand there's always the option of just being a godlike monster slayer with the whole "Artificer Armour, Relic Blade, Storm Shield, Digital Weapons" loadout.

>>51978785
They work pretty good in the formation.

>>51978781
Small and IG do not mix. Scions might do it, but they are a VERY small codex.

>>51978793
>godlike monster slayer
laughingriptide.jpeg

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>>51978740
Take five individual terminators with assault cannons and assorted melee weapons.

Wait, you said balanced.

Take five terminators with assault cannons and assorted melee weapons.

>>51978798
I wasn't thinking of a whole detachment of scions, just a squad for flavour.

>>51978799
It's all fun and games with your 2+ on a monstrous creature, until you realize that the Captain has now locked your riptide in melee for the entire remainder of the game.

My entire response to riptides is: If I can't kill it in shooting, I feed it a tactical squad so it can't do anything anymore.

>>51978805
Sure, it would work.

You could also look into some Inquisition.

>>51978751
bombard/colossus

>>51978781
You could always get creative with a vet squad.

>>51978781
veteran squads in taurox/chimera
you can go crazy wth the models too.
vostroyan maybe

>>51978814
>That post
>SIR WE HAVE SENT ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT THE ROBOTS HAVE EXCEEDED THEIR PRESET KILL LIMIT

>>51978814
>implying a footslogging Captain would ever get to a Riptide before being doubled out by a S8 pieplate, or catch it because of JSJ
Why are you even buying him artificier armor if his job is to fight MCs?

every time I see nids, I start laughing like an autist

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>>51978740
But, if I can be real with you, it's fun and you should do it.

Especially if you include them into a kill team like the aquila. It is insane. Also, if you aren't running them as kill teams and you have the slots to spare, you should consider using them as individuals or in two man teams. It is more effective than you might expect.

>>51978841
>Like an autist
>Implying you aren't

>>51978841
thank you for sharing mr autismo

>>51978837
> Herohammering
> Not giving your captain Artificer Armour
Realistically it's because he's now twice as tough automatically as any tactical marines. If I put my captain in front of his squad, he can ablate a certain percentage of the wounds so that the squad remains at full fighting capacity for longer.

>>51978848
>>51978850
no seriously

who the fuck wants to play a fucking trash army

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>>51978841
>Aeldari
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>51978787
Are stealthed models in cover truly really vulnerable? To outflank/assault you mean? I hear nothing but good things about sorcs in the semi-bikestar rolling Biomancy for Endurance/Iron Arm
If I'm getting another sorcerer and some backline marines I don't know where I'd stretch the points honestly. I thought the GUO NEEDS the gifts to put him back on the level he was at in terms of survivability
Would a rhino for the havocs be a better idea, just starting off the game disembarked?

>>51978856
People who love nids

People who have been playing them for decades

People who like the models and aren't part of a competitive meta

They have a super dedicated following

>>51978856
People who want to have a fun game? Like people who play Orks?

>>51978794
Bikes will be sure to never be within your minimum range though

>>51978875
You can always shoot them directly.

>>51978851
>charge you with a Wraithlord
>challenge out your Captain
>sure you have AP3 but you're wounding on 6s, compared to the Wraithlord who will just bitchslap you with a single unsaved wound
Relic blades are for annihilating MEQ and non 2+ Marine HQs my dude, they're specifically designed with that in mind.

>using your Captain as a bulletsponge
Please don't do this.

>>51978874
>losing every time is fun

>>51978871
>getting fucked over every time is fun
the term you are looking for is "cuck"

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>>51978847
Holy shit.

What a point sink.

Give them all chainfists and the fifth member a pair of Lightning Claws.

Watch them get either annihilated or annihilate in return.

>>51978204

More like

>Ork shooting phase

>>51978816
What does an Inquisitor group usually look like? A few acolytes, some servitors for firepower and maybe some melee servitors or death cult assassin's plus a monkey?

>>51978885
This is such a stale meme. Most people don't powergame, they just build whatever they want.

>>51978885
That's why most Tyranid players right now are playing Genestealer Cults and raping face while they wait for Tyranids to get fixed again

>>51978863
Playing Raven Guard/successors.. I have more or less army-wide 2++ on turn 1. It feels godly to have the entirety of my opponent's shooting kill precisely 3 marines

Shrouded is a hell of a drug, my opponents get endlessly frustrated about it, and sometimes even get really butthurt.. Only to express mass confusion when on turn 2 I start rolling 4+ covers, where I was rolling 2+ covers on turn 1. And I have to explain for the 20th time this month that my dudes only have shrouded on turn 1.

Then they shoot my Chapter Master's squad on turn 2, and get annoyed when I roll a 2+ cover save.. Because I now have to explain that my chapter master and my chief librarian have shrouded all game long... For the second time this game.

>>51978903
Sounds like you're playing against retards.

>>51978892
>tacticool
like 4 dudes, 3 with specials and the rest with bolters
>melee
balance of crusaders and dca in a roughly 2:3 ratio, also priests
>firebase
3 servitors with mms, scrubs with bolters or storm bolters to sponge wounds, at least 2 monkeys, and your inquisitor has to babysit them so give him a hellrifle

Also every warband ever must take one psyker for a 10 point WC
>using IA
different book I never played with

>>51978885

I win every now and again with Orks. The key is taking so much shit of one type that it overwhelms the opponent's ability to counter it.

Oh you didn't bring enough anti-infantry? Green Tide

Oh you don't have enough anti-vehicle? Dread Mob

Oh you don't have much AP2? Bully-boyz

The obvious problem with this strategy is that if your opponent DID bring enough of the counter to you, you just straight up lose.

>>51978544
>>51978679
It's me again. Is the newest release of the kill team rules somewhere in the file dump in the OP? I can't seem to find them.

>>51978740
Depending on your meta and the prevalence of AP2 in your meta, I suggest at least 1 stormshield in the squad too.

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>>51978887
If you get off on that points sink, you should know that I fielded this squad last with an aquila kill team. Six veterans with -storm bolters-. And I had a watch master lead it.

The real goofy bit is I don't think that's the biggest points sink squad I have to field.

>>51978903
Having it all game seems pretty fucking good, the bikes will be nigh unkillable but sadly it only works outside of 18 inches of where you're targeted from shooting.

>>51978975
> Outside of 18" from where you're targetted
Bruh, pick up a 7th edition rulebook and read it. You're almost but not quite as bad as the 30k group in my area that hasn't read the core rulebook since 5th edition. I brought a vigilator to a 30k game because giving Outflank and Stealth to a 20-man blob of veterans is amazing, and my opponent had to stop the entire game and throw a bitch fit because he was still under the impression that characters lose all their special rules when they join a unit...

At that very moment I suddenly realized why not a single one of the 30k group has even a single vigilator, and none of them bring any consuls. Because every fucking one of them was under the impression that their "Buff characters" didn't buff squads.

Shrouded got changed in 7th edition. It's still a flat +2 to cover saves(5+ in open). Characters with shrouded provide it to their unit, along with an alarmingly huge host of other special rules that do the same. Defensive grenades no longer give you shrouded, nor is it range restricted anymore.

>>51978923
I have seen a game orks (bully boyz in wagons) against necrons. All meganobs charged into lychguard (scythes)/royal court unit, and they died in 3 phases without kiling a single necron model (ok, maybe a couple - and also some wounds off characters)

>>51979001
To be fair, that's one of the worst units to charge them into.

>>51979001

Yep. Like I said, if they bring the counter, you fold FAST. I took Dread Mob against Ad Mech at a tourny. I managed to chip a wound off of a robot. Few weekends back I took Green Tide against IG when the IG player knew what was coming. Hellhound, 6 auto-cannon heavy weapon teams, two Eradicators, three Wyverns, three Multi-laser Chimeras and a smattering of Guardsmen including a 10 man charge absorbing squad, Oh, and Creed tossing out 4 orders each turn with rerolls on the check thanks to Krell.

I never made it into close combat.

>>51978999
He's talking about Death Guard, who only get Stealth when shot at outside of 18". Sounds like you need to read some more rules before talking smack about how only you perfectly recall all of them.

Noob to the tabletop game.

What army is most popular and/or makes GW tons of money?

What army is least popular and/or GW can't make mad money off of?

>>51979038
Space marines and sisters respectively.

>>51979038
>Space Marines
>nobody knows but probably Sisters

>>51979029
> He's talking about death guard
> Nowhere in his post did he actually mention death guard
Holy shit dude. Great way to insult someone when they're talking about something completely different. You need to get your brain checked, I'm pretty sure it's badly damaged.

>>51978781
Inquisition warband ?

>>51979029
To be fair I didn't emphasize who I was referring to about the stealth
>>51978999
Like the other anon said, DG get detachment wide stealth, so chaos warband like listed above or plague colony with kitted plague marines all get stealth given range.

>>51979051
>I cannot follow a reply chain
You sound as arrogant as your shitty 30k group, asshole.

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Hi wise gentlemens of tg, tell me how shit my list is. Please.

>>51978750
its how they mourn and remember the squats.

>>51979087
>Ratlings

>>51979026
that guy seems like a dick for list building so hard

>>51975628
I've always been a Big fan of The Thousand Sons, have a decent small army of them.

But reading these "changes" make me angry, and i wish i could kick you in the cunt, because it's obvious that you're an autistic faggot.

>>51979087
>>bs3 acolytes with meltas
>>bs4 vets with no meltas
Explain

>>51979026
Yeah well.. You play orks

>>51977703
>Being this autistic.

Mathhammer is shit

>>51979043
>>51979049
Thanks
I'll probably squash any interest in SoBs then since GW might not give much of a shit for them.

I like Tau, honestly, I'm a bit weeby

>>51979170
Isn't it sad that you had to ability to tailor your list as well but your army is literally the worst in the game and can't be tailored against anything but nids?
Why don't you play a second army until orks are worth the time setting up the table

>>51979191
There's rumours of plastic sisters, but nothing more official.

>>51979208
meant for >>51979026

>>51978892
With IA

>shooty
3 bolter/shield acolytes and the rest with bolters and carapace armour, don't forget your inquisitor ( malleus with hellrifle or hereticus w/ psyocculum if you're up against psykers)

>choppy
Ordo xenos Inquisitor with rad and psycho grenades, priest, crusaders, and a shitton of arco flagellant

>shooty (elite squad)
Same Inquisitor as the first one, 3 storm bolter/shield acolytes, 3 Jokaero (and pray you don't roll a 2), and 9 storm bolter acolytes (or 5 if you park them in a chimera)

>>51979208
>>51979213

Because I don't like anything other than Orks. I actually did up a small Tau list for a Tale of 4 Gamers project my FLGS did back just before the 6th edition Tau codex hit. I figured they were the polar opposite of my Orks so I might like them. Whilst I liked building them, once I completed the 1850 point army, I just lost all interest in playing them. They've been on my shelf ever since.

There's just something about Orks. Maybe it's the endless kitbash and conversion potential. I don't know. But they're all I want to play.

>>51979215
Arco's over DCA?

>tfw you still can't decide what army to play
>always attracted to shitter armies like SoBs and Nids
>then I start complaining how shit they are, despite that I knew about it ages ago

Are Rubrics/fluffy Thousand Sons without daemons good in casual 40k, or am I just begging to get raped in the bum?
What about in Killteam?

>>51979169
Poor braining on my behalf, it just feels wrong to have acolytes driving around with nothing. How would you do it? I'm trying to drown the enemy in bawxes and av.

>>51979228
You may have the want to play them but usually that feeling is overridden by the want to win one game in ten.
Honestly it'd be a good idea to get the polar opposite of Orks for now so you can take all comers. Then when 8th hits you have both sides of the spectrum given how rules fare.

>>51979255
If you're trying to drown the enemy in bawxes and av why not run guard as your main force?

You're not trying very hard with just two bawxes and one Russ.

>>51979174
>implying math is somehow subjective

spot the non-STEM brainlet. sorry pal but numbers don't lie. I never said mathhammer is the end all be all in a game with other considerations like listbuilding, movement, spacing, etc but it's definitely important.

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>>51979273

Eh, my local meta isn't that nasty. Aside from the guy I mentioned above, I win more than I lose. Besides, things are pretty quiet around in the lead-up to 8th; AoS is a bigger deal at my FLGS than 40K right now.

Also I've been collecting Orks since 2007. I'm not stopping any time soon. This is my collection at this point.

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So in gathering storm 3 they completly ignored the fact, that Ultramarines are busy fighting with motherfucking Imotekh and his strongest Necron dynasty?

Instead we had Tranzyn trolling around and main necron faction is cut from plot? wtf GW...

>>51979255
I don't mean to say it should be only one, but yeah. I mean if you're looking for points, I can tell you right now there's no point in taking sponsons on a battlecannon russ. Not with ordinance.

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>>51979321
As a necron player. I am super happy about this.

pasting from the last thread because its dead now:

I got to work on building up my first Deathwatch team and am thrilled to see cloaked bodies and cowled heads in the kits. Other than Deathwatch vets and DA vet kits, anyone know any good sources of robed bodies/cloaks/capes/cowled heads?
Obviously I'm a DA player and in attempt to make my marines a little more visually stimulating and unique I'd like to acquire some more of their signature bits.

Just kidding I'm a robes fetishist

>>51979235
Compared to arco flagellants, DCA cost 5 points more, get the same saves (5+++ vs 5+/5++, it only matter against ID, but 5++ have little chances to save you anyway), and one attack less (while being Strength 4)

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>>51979321
>>51979351
The Sautekh dynasty is busy trying to secure the Ymga Monolith.

The Ultramarines can wait.

>>51978385
>>51978364
Hawk lords

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I'm thinking about running this 1500pt Necron list for casual games. What do you guys think?

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>>51979244
Probably should have been more specific in terms of killteam. Are the HoR Thousand Sons units good?

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>>51979409

You are going to lose, bigly.

>>51978074
this shit is too funny

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I COME BACK AFTER 3 YEARS AND THIS SHIT HAPPENS? WHAT THE FUCK? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51979322
So literally just run him bare?

>>51979321
>>51979351

>Giving a shit about Sautekh in the year of our Silent King 65,000,475

Get Thokt lads.

>>51977942
Literally anything else.

What are some guidelines for deciding what wargear to take on a Chaos Sorcerer?

I'm building one right now but I'm not sure what weapons to use with him. He's on foot, no bike and not a terminator.

>>51979409

Works. Consider swapping your overlord for Orikan though, he's better at being an Overlord than Overlords are now.

>>51978020
3 years in solitary if you're caught.

>>51978598
The most detailed fluff and modelling choices in the setting. Huge choice of colour and aesthetic options, and modern marines models don't look bad at all, especially when modeled well.
Can make nearly any sort of list with them, from ultra-mega cheese Strike Forces to absolute fluff lists with command squads and terminators, ect.
Also very easy to buy secondhand/off ebay, making them the easiest army to collect.

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>>51979477
Additionally, I'm not afraid to go ham with his stuff, since I'd sort of like him to be a hero unit. I'm just recently getting back into the game and I don't know shit about the newest chaos codex.

>>51979461

Well if you want you can imagine black Templars who don't use navigators or astropaths.

They get around by hacking the webway and never communicate with other imperials then, right?

>>51979477
Always spell familiar. Buy him at least one extra ML. Buy him a jump pack if he has to be on foot.

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>>51979480
I have the model, but I haven't painted it yet. Since it take me around 10 hours to do a character model, I doubt I will be finished by my next game. I'll try it in the near future, though.

Thanks.

>>51979502
Because it's not like they used them before but just treated them like absolute shit and had no librarians because abhor the witch, right?

>>51979321

Irrelevant mid boss factions are pretty easy to forget. They also forgot Biel-tan was supposed to be busy Bio-Purging tyranids with Saim-hann.

>>51979518

Well, I never bought the Orikan model and I run Orikan all the time by virtue of the good old "reskin a special character as your converted OC" system.

Out of curiosity, how much converting are you doing? The interchangeability of Necron parts and relative ease to meld in mechanical and death themed bits from other lines make them an ideal army to learn the basics of customising a force.

Not too much chance to use sculpting, but in a way that's good, sculpting is a lot more daunting than kit bashes and trimming parts to fit.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef.pdf

>>51979464
unless you plan on using a non battle cannon russ, there's no purpose for sponsons because ordinance snapfires all your other weapons.

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>>51979554

The real question is if you should add sponsons to Leman Russ.

>>51979575
The wolf sponsons are alright but honestly his main guns are killy enough as it is. I mean just look at how effortlessly he holds those weapons.

>>51979288
be more mad and wrong fag

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>>51979575
>tfw Leman Russ will never have a beard

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>>51979597
Just give him a nice 5 o'clock shadow and boom he's a sexy motherfucker.

>>51979621
>barbarian warlord
>not having a giant beard
Pick one.

>>51976653
I'm several hours and a full thread late, but thanks.
XV9s are just T5 Crisis Suits and some shitty special weapons.

I guess I'll just bite it and consolidate my units into bigger squads.

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Where were you when Draigo became the second greatest grey knight?

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1500pt list just for funsies, have models for all as well as some rhinos, terminators, a helbrute, etc.

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>>51979644

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oirrP488Bjw

>the second greatest grey knight... the second greatest grey knight... the second greatest grey knight...

>>51979644
I was there when the Imperiums armies got more fucked than chaos when losing the connection to the warp. Even in context it sounds more retarded

GW is sexually abusing the lore so hard that rape is a soft word at this point.

>>51979637

barbarism was a meme, brah

hes a capitalist who min-maxed his homeworld for maximum astartes power

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>>51979550

>Well, I never bought the Orikan model and I run Orikan all the time by virtue of the good old "reskin a special character as your converted OC" system.

I actually own all of the Necron character models. I'm slowly painting all of them. My favourite is Imotekh. I use him from time to time, even though he's not particularly good.

>Out of curiosity, how much converting are you doing? The interchangeability of Necron parts and relative ease to meld in mechanical and death themed bits from other lines make them an ideal army to learn the basics of customising a force.

To be honest. I'm really bad at converting things. So, I don't tend to do much of it. The only converted models in my army are my Heavy Destroyers. They have the heavy gauss cannons from the triarch stalker. Not my idea, though. I stole it.

>Not too much chance to use sculpting, but in a way that's good, sculpting is a lot more daunting than kit bashes and trimming parts to fit.

Sculpting is another thing I'm terrible at. I gave it a go once, and never tried again. I can paint alright, and that's about it.

>>51979691
Are you suggesting that Leman Russ, honoured son of the Emperor himself, didn't meme hard enough to meme his own meme and rock a banging warlord beard?

>>51979702

I'm suggesting that Leman Russ thinks beards are for fags

>>51979712
He must be very upset with his legion then.

>>51979712

If he's gonna be the Viking Primarch no matter what he does, I ain't gonna respect him half assing being the Viking Primarch.

>>51979729

>If he's gonna be the Viking Primarch

He isn't the viking Primarch, though. Hes the state trooper Primarch. His legion didn't go full norse until after he left.

>>51979399
>daemons attacking necrons

for what purpose?

>>51979680

>Draigo happily chops away at daemons in the warp for decades, not letting any of the horrors he sees faze him.

>Somewhere in real space, someone calls Voldus the greatest grey knight.

>"Guess that makes Draigo the second greatest grey knight"

>Tzeentch speeds those words to Draigo's ears

>Draigo drops his sword, walks into Anngrath's mouth.

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hello amigos, im having a friendly game with a friend next week and im doing my list to start painting the thing im going to bring ( i dont have finished some models on my collection), so im wondering if you could give me some advise on my alpha legion duds, im sticking the lord with the mind veil to my terminators and ill try to infiltrate the sorceror with the plasma chosen squad, any more good tip you could give me? the dude im playing with is a good friend of mine but we some times try to waac each other just for fun, so cheese is allowed

>>51979737

See? No reason to respect him.

>>51979752
Draigo fell to Slaanesh.

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>>51979737
>He isn't the viking Primarch

>>51977671
>literally

I like the thousand sons, but at least I can admit they're shit.

>>51979765

>Draigo fell to Slaanesh

Well yes, after all he was only the second greatest grey knight.

>>51979644
Draigo's lost at warp. Can't be the greatest until he comes back to reality.

>>51979765
>>51979781

Wait until he becomes an Aeldari Knight, Herald of Death

Anyone play on VASSAL?

>>51979821
Why would you when TTS exists?

>>51979239
Make "Team retards - assemble!"-army. Take your inspiration from 80's sport movies where underdogs mange to win the day by guidance of old supercoach. Use Castellans of the Imperium detachemnt and only use bad/underused units and take Coteaz as your coach/leader.

>>51979827

Yeah watching if the emperor had a TTS is way more fun than playing on vassal.

>>51979833
I didn't realize they shared the same initialization.

>>51979827
Money.

I also don't know how to set it up.

>>51979839
It's $15, and you just download your army's table, pick the models, and you're done.

Do hellbrutes have veterans of the long war?

>>51979843
$15 is $15. I'm not paying anything to play games.

>>51979228
I've heard that Space Odin codex rewrite does a nice job for balancing orks.

>>51979864
>proceeds to buy $80 plastic army man

>>51979684

Emperor is channeling faith and courage to imperials such as guardsmen all the time, when it's gone Imperium is more fucked than Chaos is when the Dark Gods aren't with them because Chaos knows what's going on while loyalists are lost and clueless.

>>51979845
Check your codex my dude

>>51979867
It's literally why I play on VASSAL. So that I don't have to do that to play a game.

>the models cost a shitton of money
>they're not even painted
It's retarded, why would I do that?

>>51979864
I play wh40k with it.

I also play Age of Sigmar, Necromunda, Mordheim, HoR Killteam, Heroquest, Space Crusade, Space Hulk...

All that for 20€. I've had 100h+ of fun for 20€. Pretty damn good deal if you ask me.

How does this look for a 1k list?

HQ: Deathwatch Captain w/ Xenophase Blade, Grav Pistol, Storm Shield, and Artificer Armor 175pt

Troops: Veteran Squad of 5 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Powerfist and Combi Melta; 1 Heavy Bolter 155pt

Troops: Veteran Squad of 5 w/ a Blackshield w/ a Powerfist and Storm Shield; and 2 Frag Cannons 210pt

Troops: Veteran Squad of 5 w/ a Sergeant w/ a Powerfist and Combi Plasma; and 2 Shotguns 145pt

Transport: Corvus Blackstar w/ Infernium Halo Launcher and Hurricane Bolters 200pt

Elites: Venerable Dreadnought w/ Extra Armor 145pt

1000

>>51979875
Because the best part of 40k is the hobby, while the game and the lore are in a cripple fight for the consolation prize.

>>51979925
>>51979875

It's called 40k because if you haven't spend £40k you're a newfag.

>>51979875
I used to have the same mindset anon. Painting models, converting and seeing result is as fun as playing the game itself. If you are not into this hobby it does not automatically mean it is "retarded" you dummy.

>>51979916
Bad. I mean. From optimization PoV, the list is just horrible. Not enough units to grab objectives, not enough firepower to down enemy, not enough maneuverability to reach objects or enemy.

1. Dedicated Veterans as shooty units. 5 dudes, 1 frag cannon. Drop Pods are your friend.
2. Walking dread with multimelta. Duuuude. Give him Drop Pod. Even better, give him Lucius Drop Pod so he can be easter egg of S8 ap1 doom.
3. If you want melee, take Bikers and give them cheap 5pts power weapons.

>>51979916
Build a unit for mutiple jobs, fail at them all.

>>51979637
>wizard warlord
>not having a pointy hat

Pick one.

>mongolian warlord
>not riding a horse

Pick one.

>gladiator warlord
>not half naked with a trident and net

Pick one.

>batman warlord
>not actually batman

Pick one.

>>51979949
1. Lol I own zero pods
2. It's got an Assault Cannon; forgot to write it down.
3. I'm not super concerned with melee, but the fists and swords are there to help the unit if they get hit with something they can't fight.

>>51979960
What does this mean? His units all seem to shoot and move with melee weapons as a decent backup.

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>>51979916
It looks good to me, but what's with all the power fisting? Is it because you like the weapon, or do you have a particular purpose for it?

>>51979758
come on someone r8 me m8, plzno h8

>>51979484
Marines honestly only have the "most detailed fluff" due to the sheer volume of lazy authors, it's easy to write space marine novel #406 because you can just rewrite the last one and change key characters and /still/ get published by BL.

>>51979991
No ranged offense, naked chosen and marines.

>>51978364
The best space marine chapter in existence: the sons of fulgrim. They have special rules for BASSCANNONS

>>51979983
The bottom two squads were built together as a big unit; but splitting them up for smaller games seems useful. I'm thinking of swapping the top Power Fist for a Thunderhammer

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>>51979875
The models aren't that expensive. 40k is my 2nd hobby, and cost so much less than my main hobby.

The painting and modelling is supposed to be enjoyable. In my opinion, it's even better than playing the game. Of course, everyone has their own favourite aspect to this hobby.

If allying the guard artillery formation (3 artillery units, company command squad) to Genestealer cults, is there any way to -not- have the company command squad act as a dead weight tax?

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>>51978031
>>51978074
>game designers at GW really believe this
>8th edition will be made by these people

>>51980047

Don't get yer nobz in a naught ya git.

>>51979871
You know how stupid that sounds. Even for 40k

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>>51980009
You seem to really like the heavy hitting weapons. This will work well against some armies, but will be a total disadvantage against others. Also, since you have a Corvus Blackstar, you should think about getting some Vanguard Veterans. You can make life very difficult for gun line armies.

>>51980047
Enjoy the rape train.
It is WHF all over again. They didn't learn.

>>51979158
What exactly do you find so objectionable? A lot of it is common sense stuff, and there are only a few major changes.

>>51978338
Was supposed to be replied to here

>>51980010
I once wielded mechanized IG to 7th ed tournament. Not a good, tournament winning army by any standards but I loaded every single damn vehicle with Hunterkiller Missiles and Heavy Stubbers for shit&giggles.

And muchos giggles were had. Eldar player facepalmed as missile after missile slammed against his Wraithknight and brought it down turn 1 and extra ~30 S4 ap6 shots hounded him the whole game. Ork player was truly and justifiably horrified by all those Heavy Stubbers and during the game they did go town on his mobs, hard.

Last game was against Riptidewing-tau and dice gods were truly smiling for me. One riptide bit the bullet (literally) and ate two of his last wounds from stubbers and this prevented him from utilizing rerolls to his generators, awarding him with 2 extra wounds for trying. The game was pretty one sided for Taus favoring and I ended up losing 13-7 but we both were impressed how well the 15pts/vehicle HKM/H.Stub-combo hard worked.

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Aight, one doubt regarding S. Celestine:
let's say she joins a unit (elite, for example), and that next turn she uses saintly blessings (elite), thus giving the unit furious charge. Would she benefit from the buff, since she is integrated in the unit? Other IP in the units do, but nowhere says she gets the buffs too.

>>51980075
By turn 3

>>51980120
Furious Charge is not a skill that spills from characters to units or vise versa. So no, she wouldnt get it.

>>51980149
I bet the Eldar characters can. Haven't seen them but something tells me they do.

Is it ever a good idea to take Lascanons on havoks, or is 25ppm just too absurd?

>>51978031
>>51980047
Flashgitz would be okay if they had basic heavy armor included into their price and ways to reroll AP for their snazzgun (maybe with gets hot penalty)

Snazzgun is a decent weapon for MEQ deleting, but fuck this spread of possible AP outcomes. A bit of random never hurts, but not when difference between worst and best outcome is so huge.

>>51978364
Sons of Jaghatai

>>51978364
Some that people haven't mentioned (from what I can see):

SMs:
>Imperial Stars

CSMs:
>Warriors of Mayhem
>The Flawless Host, split pink/purple
>Damned Company of Lord Caustos, purple-tinged grey (recycled for the Night Stalkers)

>>51978385
>One of the Companies of the Ultramarines
Only on certain parts of their armour. It's just a Codex-approved company colour.

>>51980215
Forgot Extinction Angels, another CSM warband.

>>51980160
The avatar of khaine does it but it's a 12" aura.

>>51980075
Vanguard might cripple his force; it seems to be more shooting and retaliation than outright assault.

Personally I would add more melee to his shooting units.

>>51980254
Well poop. The Eldar Super Friend formation makes them the same faction

While the Imperium Super Friends is just a massive CAD with mandatory 100 points for Objective Secure

>>51978466
Why make a model for Abaddon when he does in a week?

>>51980287
Dies

Fug

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>>51980254
and he makes me fearless!

>>51980287
Debunked. Abaddon nor Emperor is going to bite the bullet.

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Smash list?
Dis be my smash list

>>51980325
Leaks are out?

>>51980329
Un-optimized and illegal. Captain cannot be upgraded to Chaptermaster (according to FAQ).

>>51980325
I don't know at this point.

Primarchs, Cadia blowing up, Eldar super friends, crawftworld assploding.

They are doing clickbite lore now so why not?

>>51980047
Isn't Adam Troke their LotR guy? I don't think hes ever been a main 40k designer.

>>51980337
Can you point me to that FAQ friend?

>>51980329

>Illegal fag list

Good job.

>>51980325
Maybe not in "Rise of the Primarch".

>>51980334
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/03/rumor-control-rise-primarch.html

>>51980349
He's currently doing LotR. Has worked on rules for all their systems at some point in the past. There was a time when Matt Ward was the LotR guy and we all know what he was most famous for

>>51980357
Again, link to the FAQ for this?

Im seeing some people say its not ITC legal. But not seeing a GW one. I dont care about ITC.

How to start Genestealer Cult? Any example of their e.g. Kill Team list (will start from this or HoR format)

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>>51980363

>Bell of clickbait
>Debunked

So when is the gathering storm 3 book coming out again?

>>51980374
I dont even know if they are in HoR yet, there was a lot of tom foolery when they were getting created in there. Since one of their major gimics is summoning, summoning in HoR is really OP.

>>51980387
IIRC march 11th or 18th?

>>51980363
You're using "debunked" very loosely there. We know from White Dwarf that the ending of the book is being kept under wraps for now, but that it's a series of big galaxy shaking events and revelations.

All BoLS has to say is that the White Dwarf doesn't spoil the ending of the book

>>51980384
IA codex come out! Review video!

Totally new SoBs...
Totally new Inquisition...
Everything is new...

The fuck is wrong with this retards

Did New change to copy pasted and words changed like some college student essay?

>>51980406
>You
I'm not >>51980325. But yes I agree. I still expect Abaddon/Emps to die. Just later on in the event more toward the climax.

>>51979991
You don't have much in terms of anti air, and if I were you I'd drop the marine squads, kit the chosen out with more special weapons, and take havocs with autocanons if you can

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So when's Gathering Storm IV: Da Return of Ghazghkull coming?

>>51980523
Even if it did it would just be Ghazghkull losing as per usual so it'd probably be better if it didn't come.

Honestly replacing Ghazz would make more sense, its embarrasing but the so-called 'Greatest' Ork Warboss of the Era has never managed to defeat a Space Marine force in battle once, something far less well-known Orks have achieved.

>>51980523
It's BA and Crons vs Nids next sorry.

>>51980541
I'm sure he's won at least once.

>>51980549
No, he's never beaten a Marine force ever.

His only victory against the Imperium ever has been at Golgotha which was only against the Guard.

I have a deck of Eldar psychic powers from 6th edition. I assume they have changed in 7th and I can just throw these into the bin?

>>51978863

that's fucking amazing

Christ I would play marines if they were sculpted to that level of detail and scale.

>>51980558
To be fair Ghazzy ain't alone in that. I mean there's a whole slew of characters who could be taglined with 'Supposed to be fearsome...but has never actually won anything of import', from the likes of Ka'Bandha and Belakor to Eldrad and Nazdreg. General rule of thumb is that any named Space Marine Character, particularly like Marneus and the other big cheeses, will usually have at least double the amount of victories as in other faction's characters. So Ghazzy may suck, but he's in a pretty big crowd so he doesn't get lonely at least.

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I wish I had the modelling talent to scale marines up well. They look so much better when they are larger.

>>51980350
Just google "40k faq".

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back when only 4 chapters existed

>>51978420
>>51978441
>>51978450
The best thing GW could do for guard is to 30k cults and milita it. So for example buy for your entire army for x points things like hiveworlders(move through cover parkour), deathworlders(+1 ATL in melee, or shrouded until it shots), Shrineworlders(zealot), agriworlders(strong backs "relentless") and so on.

But this will never happen.

>>51980649
They had that back in 3rd. You know best edition

>>51980558
>Abaddon lost 13 times
>never defeated a marine force
>was defeated in FoC
>Still bbeg

Nice double standard you have there shows bias against the boyz

>>51980667
Uh, what makes you think I'm saying Abaddon isn't a loser?

That being said he's less of a loser than Ghazz, we know he's beaten a Blood Angels force before in war.

Ghazz is more an Eldrad or Greater Daemon-tier (or Illic) character. Abaddon's a little above them.

Also, I mean, Ghazz is still touted as the big Ork despite his constant failures, so nothing weird about GW still trying to force Abaddon as the bbeg despite his, marginally fewer than Ghazghkull, failures.

>>51980600
I've seen this described elsewhere but the easiest way to think of it is in Dragonball terms;

Space Marines are Saiyans, Chaos Space Marines are the villains (Cell/Frieza/Buu) and all other factions are Namekians or humans or other pointless people who sometimes do stuff which help the Saiyans do the important stuff.

>>51980675
GW can't write bad guys. Not good guys.

Nothing after 5th has been passable

>>51980675
Because all I ever see you do is talk bad about Orks and Ghaz. This is like the fourth time I see this discussion word for word.

Is this Carnac?

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Reposting list 1 last time. So far thinking of replacing Vindicator with termis, maybe some cultists with normal CSM. This is just for casual games, but is it awful?

>>51980702
I can't speak for any amount of hypothetical other people you've spoken too, all I can say is the reason I mentioned Orks was because the poster I answered asked about Orks, so I choose to respond to their question instead of launching into a random tangent about a different faction.

But I mean, yeah, Eldrad, Asurmen, Nazdreg, Magnus et al. are no worse than Ghazzghkull.

Some like Abaddon, Imotehk and the Swarmlord are marginally better, but I don't want to give the wrong impression, obviously no-one approaches the amount of victories Space Marine Characters have other than other Space Marine characters, not trying to say Orks are 'uniquely' sucky in the lore. Is that better?

>>51980667
>Abaddon had primary objectives to destroy pylons for his 12 first crusades. He succeeded and now galaxy is riddled with warp storms.
>He almost killed whole Blood Angels chapter.
>Lost the battle, won the war. Cadia was defeated and nothing can stop his bullrush before Terra
>Still BBEG

But I do agree. They need to flesh out Abaddon more. He doesnt feel threatening enough for some reason.

>>51980664

As a guard player who started playing in 3rd, I can't say I have fond memories of blood angels with furious charge driving 12" in their rhino, jumping out 2", charging 6" in one turn...against squads max ten guys without orders or psyker powers to buff them, and no overwatch, and 6 pts per guy WITHOUT grenades.

It was not a good time to be IG>

>>51980730
>the amount of victories Space Marine Characters have other than other Space Marine characters

Tau characters.

>>51980735
But then again we curbstomped everyone with out 5th edition codex. Atleast till Grey Knights were released.