/nWoD/ & /oWoD/ & /CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness

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First for Mage Supremacy

>>51957776
>What should resources 5 afford your character and what would you buy?

Paying to create an actual good mage game.

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THIRD FOR MAGE SUPREMACY

>>51957776

Wut is das?

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>>51957852
Thyrsus mage in her slick business attire.
Invariably all Thrysus end up being 6' 8'' blonde amazons with 5+ dots in physical stats.

>>51957849
Infighting and hunter mobs being able to stop anything short of a powerful mage.

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>>51957880
>Invariably all Thrysus end up being 6' 8'' blonde amazons with 5+ dots in physical stats.

How my thyrsus looks like in my current game.

>>51957852
Autists pretending to be discussing WoD while memeing about Mage, sperging about mages vs other splats, and comparing Mage to every fictional setting ever.

Plus two or so decent posters.

>>51957880

No I mean the figurine, I don't give a shot about you mage fuckers.

>>51957944
>comparing Mage to every fictional setting ever

That's not what was happening. The previous discussion was based around the rather blatant fact that the strongest fictional magicians greatly overpower the strongest fictional vampires.

Nothing more than that. Moving on!

What are people's favorite Vampire faction, old or new WoD?

I'm personally fond of the Sabbat. Path of Enlightenment, Viniculum, glorying in the vampiric condition, and fighting Elders and the apocalypse all appeal to me.

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>>51957961
>But anon, a mage made that figurine.

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>>51957944
>Implying it isn't non mages with the penis envy of their magically endowed betters

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>take archery merit
>stake vamps all night with lobbed shots
>you could even stake two at a time if they stand in front of each other


Fangers best watch out.

>>51958340
Does Archery work for crossbows? I don't think bows can shoot stakes.

>>51958359
>What are wood-tipped arrows?

>>51958403
You've got a lenient ST if they let you get away with just wooden arrowheads.

>>51958456

>At close range, an arrow from a short bow hits as hard as a small-caliber bullet, and bows are silent, so their combat potential is obvious. Another common use for bows is driving a sharp wooden shaft into a vampire's heart. To do so, the player must roll five successes to hit the heart, and at least three health levels of damage must be inflicted after soak.

From the WtA revised core rulebook.

It might not be intended in CofD but it's supported in WoD.

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>Night of monthly Ashwood Abbey bacchanal
>Lads and lasses getting buzzed from the Duke's impressive wine collection and Colombian cocaine
>Everyone's wearing masks Eyes Wide Shut style
>except for one honored guest
>he is chained in a chair naked and buried up to his neck in a barrel of salt
>chained chap has uncanny skill for making people drop dead with just a glare, but he needs to see the face or bare skin for it to really work as we've learned through trial and error
>Chapter Master's house has secret arena
>The naked guest of honor is seated in the middle of it
>Make him "fight" pit bulls and rottweilers while chained
>So far no dog has managed to get within ten feet of his barrel alive
>When the number of dogs dipped below acceptable something else was sent in
>Something we caught a month ago and have kept chained in silver in the catacombs of the mansion.
>Throngs of masked Hunters jeering and spilling their drink as they watch the blood sport unfold.

What's your favorite cell and why isn't it the Abbey?

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>>51958456
It's not an issue to remove an arrow head and carve the shaft into a point or affix a wooden arrowhead.

To a fanger such modifications would be scarily easy.

>>51958627
Cheiron Group
They grind Beasts into Viagra

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>>51958729
>the most potent power of a Beast splat is their ability to be reduced to a fine erection inducing powder

So Cheiron's more on the turning supernaturals into implants for agents and not an X-Files conspiracy group that's just dissecting and learning about these creatures?

What implants would one need to steal in order to become a cyborg for Section 9?

>>51958524
>>51958707
My point is more that, while it's nebulous just what makes a stake so effective, a wooden arrow just doesn't cut it. Perhaps it's the girth of a stake that makes it work, or some mystical thing that has to do with the nature of a pure stake, but wooden arrows seem like a cop out to me, and it wouldn't fly in my group.

>>51957776

Seriously, what is this figurine?

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>>51958848
>Your shaft isn't girthy enough to stop me
>Haha if only your shaft was a fraction of an eighth bigger!

The basis for which a vampire's dead heart can tell if its been prolapsed by a wooden shaft deemed GIRTHY enough isn't in the rules. What is in the rules is >>51958524

>>51958848
Dude, his shaft just plunged straight into your heart.
Bitching about the girth isn't going to save you.

>>51958991
The line has to be drawn somewhere. Surely a toothpick can't stake a vampire, so it's up to the ST to determine just what the threshold is.
>>51958524 is a WoD rule, and I play CofD Hunter, so in my games it hardly matters. It can work in yours, nobody's telling you how to play your game. Same way you shouldn't tell me how to play mine.

>>51959058
>Surely a toothpick can't stake a vampire
Says who?
If you can get that little bastard in there, I don't see any reason why not.

>>51959035
So if I could get a toothpick into a vampire's heart it should stop them? If your answer to this is no, then just how much wood is required should be up to the ST

>>51959074
We're just gonna have to disagree, then. I can't see any logic behind any tiny amount of wood piercing the heart rendering a vampire immobile.

>>51959086
But my answer to this is yes

>>51958847

Well you got to investigate before you can implant. That's just good research.

> +Str +Reflexes +Stam
Ghoul blood works fine enough. Keep taking the red pill supplements
The cereblium of a mage, for all the telecom shit. I'd suggest grabbing one of the techier ones. Freedom Coders is the code name they call themselves I think.

For the full body conversion I'd suggest ripping the brain out of a Promethean and implanting the agent's brain as a replacement. But that might just make your agent a Promethean, but at least it's YOUR Promethean Agent.

>>51959086
But my answer is yes...

>>51959119
Not him, but you've managed to 100% remove any qualms I just had about wasting a Cheiron Group hit squad we're taking on in our next session.

>>51959112
>>51959124
And I just posted that we clearly have wildly different opinions on how a staking should work. Nothing else to discuss, then.

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>>51959086
>Stake this guy's character
>Umm I feel like this shaft doesn't satisfy me...lethally.
>Dude what
>There's just not enough girth to get me going...into my coffin
>Seriously there is a circus tent stake in your heart
>Such a tiny amount of wood piercing my heart shouldn't render a vampire immobile.

Jesus Christ just wear a cuirass if you're so paranoid about it.

>>51959171
There's a big difference between a thin arrow shaft and a circus tent stake. If you think that a arrow shaft is enough, that's cool, I don't.

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>>51959150
You're not even trying to gimp the magefags, your beef is with anyone with a piece of wood in WoD

>>51959212
You're the one bringing up magefags. I play Hunter, but I think wooden arrows is kinda stupid.

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Get your anti-Vampire measures here folks!
Protect your families against the parasitic menace!
10% off if you buy a full faggot.

>>51959227

Why do you think vampires never conquered the Americas? The Native Americans had it down.

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>>51957988

>>51958848
>Fuck the actual rules, I'll make up shit as I please, and I'll REEEEEEE if you try to argue with me.

>>51959247
... If you turn one Vampire into a wooden stake, can you stake another Vampire with him?

>>51959259
Rules for oWoD. A game I'm not playing. I haven't screamed or even used the multitude of ad hominems you've done.

Why do you care so much that one anon doesn't like your wooden arrow idea?

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>>51959227
>>51959195

>Moros shoots you in the heart
>Transfigures his bullet into a wooden stake
>Reenact American History X curbstomp
>No more pointy teeth for fanger.
>Say goodnight

>>51959314
As long as it's a full sized stake, sure. When did this become a mage thing?

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Excellent, now I have a screencap in case anyone bitches.

>>51959119
I totally forgot that prometheans can be humanoid robots with machine gun arms.

How will she get optic and thermo camouflage?

>>51959348
>Prosthetic parts
Well if you're suicidal You could try to jack a Demon going Loud. Could also work for the optic thermo camo as well. Work off that quantum entanglement.

Getting all this as implants is kind of impractical and could work better with complementary devices. Like just beat up that Potter kid for his cloak of fuck you. and wear therm retardant military gear. In fact I think a good bit of the kit could just be military gear + ghoul blood. So Maybe look over at TFV and kidnap a vampire that has a the weakness that they can't form blood bonds. Then you just milk that puppy till you're done.

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>>51959334
Because any limitation you impose on a simple human hunter is going to be overcome by a 2 dot mage so nerfing a human's limited options is irrational.

Staking is thematic, if you want vampires to be better house rule away their aversion to sunlight while you're trimming away everything that makes them vampires.

Archers are already at a disadvantage in the hand gun age. Your vampire is a thinblood if he doesn't notice the beefy amazon walking around with a longbow. He's also a dolt if he can't snap her bowstring with a single attack. Bows ARE for staking. Their cumbersome size and inability to be smuggled is the hilarious trade off.

And sorry if your character stands out in the open and can be ended with a single arrow shaft. I'd assume you'd develop a defense for this. Namely a cuirass or hanging out in night clubs or by having I dunno, celerity.

ALSO

>Vamp chilling in his house.
>Suddenly massive fiery explosion
>Wooden splinters stake Vamp 9 times out of 10

This is probably why vampires hate traveling by ship, those splinters from cannonballs just mow them down as if they were regular sailors.

>>51959642
>you can get accidentally staked by random woodchips

That is not how vampires work and is dumb.

>>51959642

>tfw you will never get penetrated by a beefy amazon

>>51959642
Firstly, If you're using Mage in Hunter, you're doing something wrong, this is why Witch Finders exists. Staking is thematic, that's why it's better saved for stakes fired from crossbows, a rule which exists in CofD. The stake itself is iconic, not an arrow that happens to be wooden.

Lastly, why do you keep implying I'm the vampire? I don't play vampire, it doesn't interest me. You seem to have an issue like I'm some malicious force just because I find using bows to stake iffy.

You have a point in the cumbersome size, and I agree, but I simply don't enjoy the concept of using a bow. Crossbows are cooler thematically, plus have no advantages when compared to bows outside of stake firing, provides it's exclusive. And for practicality the stake firing zip-guns mentioned in one of the Hunter books work wonders for stealth.

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>>51959440
The Cheiron group making cyborg Prometheans with the brains of their best agents sounds too good to pass up.

Although I wonder if they're still human because they still remember their lives.

How would one even capture a Demon? We know that arrows totally wreck Fanger's shit both RAW and RAI, as do most wooden objects, but what can a Demon even do?

What part do you remove for cloaking and remaining hidden?

>>51958882

here, babby,

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10378436

>>51959775
shurgs and this is where I have no idea.

Since demons can drift in and out of their covers. You'd have to tag down their Covers, which is possible but difficult. (In fact it might just be easier to go after their kids) Luckily most obvious demons have tells, environmental, behavioral and physical. Speaking tics, water running uphill. Family histories not adding up. Which makes them more prone to going loud. Which is bad because the GM sends out hitmarks after it.

Loud Demons are super tough. So tactically I would suggest taking a ripper to one of their arms or mechanical parts then run like hell, hope the GM's angels take care of the rest.

As for which part. I'd bet the "Horns" might be the transmitting and broadcasting signal wave they use for transformation. which would be the physical manifestation of their entanglement powers

>>51959686
Didn't you see that mythbusters about cannonballs going through wooden ships?

Buster was getting penetrated by huge wooden stakes all over. A few even pierced where his heart should be.

Wood splinters in a blast, anon.

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>>51959774
>Zip guns
Super felony if you're searched.
Bows are legal everywhere.

If you're talking about stakes being iconic as in they steak things down, then so do arrows. Stories abound of one arrow staking two people together.

I'm sure you'd agree a Roman Scorpion can hurl stake sized bolts, but for some reason a crossbow can stake a vamp but an arrow can't.

>I am not a malicious anti bow force
I'm not convinced.

>>51959335
Or by degree of homosexuality of writers in each line

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>>51959911
Would be easier to buy a robot merit or edit a galatean power for remaining inconspicuous.
Oh my why did the writers make it so Prometheans must buy each power individually and only from their shitty path? Suddenly I have remembered more than I wish and for the first time I have others to tell about it.

Like the irradiated Prometheans who can just make a tie out of a rod of uranium and heal ten lethal a round and irradiate absolutely everyone.

And the Prometheans that were made from animal bodies and they almost always seek out a swift death instead of striving to be human from such a miserly starting point.

The angels take the demon's body away after, right?

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>>51959335
What the hell does a mummy have on any of the other splats aside from comfiest naps?

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You fuckers have finally showed me the light. Mage was a mistake.

>>51960372
>18th poster just appeared for this 1 post.

>During one such outdoor excursion, a group of revelers accidentally defiled a sacred Uratha artifact, causing a pack of werewolves to attack and devour a number of club members. Fortunately for the club, those killed had not let their families know where they were or what (or rather, who) they were doing. Returning to the site armed, the remaining club members found prodigious scat around the artifact, a warning to the club.

How often do werewolves shit on stuff? Do you guys dedicate a lot of description to this activity?

>>51959335
>mages, mummies and demons

The big three

Archmages are of course above them.

>>51960500

Archmasters are above everything else that is playable.

>>51958848
>>51958991
in one of the hunter books it mentions wood slivers in bullets being effective

>>51960400
It's a new thread, what do you expect?

>>51960060
/k/ here! It is perfectly legal to make a firearm, provided that it doesn't violet state and local restrictions. Zip guns would fly below every single ban in the country by reason of being non-self loading.

>>51957776
I think there's a legoman picture like this.

>>51960782
Having wooden core hunter bullets are more effective than circus tent stake fag anon's preference for zip guns.

His splat just takes a single round to the heart, just like a mortal.

Also wouldn't Europe skin you alive for a zip gun?

>>51959335
Well there it is.
Proof that Awakening has the bigger penis.

>>51959086
Dumb question, couldn't you just string a stake with a bow? Screw the arrows and go for close range.

>>51961258
Personally, I see the problem with the bow being the draw time. Against a Vamp with Celerity, by the time you've drawn back the string, you're already in melee. A crossbow fires faster.

>>51961310

Then you can just stab them with the arrow, no bow needed.

So, vampires sweat blood, right? Indeed, they have no bodily fluids BUT blood. And, according to Bloodlines at least, they can have sex. So presumably they ejaculate.

Does that mean you can diablerize a vampire by sucking his dick?

>>51961557
Probably.

You sick fuck.

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>mfw waiting for Wr20 book

>>51961156
>Also wouldn't Europe skin you alive for a zip gun?

Depends on the country. S'not like Europe is one gigantic country with completely identical laws across all borders.

>>51961557
>And, according to Bloodlines at least, they can have sex.

In Revised, vampires rarely had sex, because there was an overarching theme of grim-derp "herp-a-derp, sex isn't grimdark enough, it has to be rape or it's not allowed". So, it could happen (though vampires not on high-humanity had to spend a lot of blood to let their bodies get erections and get the "juices" flowing again), but it was still pretty rare.

In V20, that's been changed: vampires can, and often do, have sex now. If nothing else, many use it as a great way to feed on mortals.

>>51961557
>Indeed, they have no bodily fluids BUT blood.

Close, but not 100% true: a famed kindred doctor, Netchurch, proved that vampires still produce saliva (which helps them close wounds caused by their fangs) and retain their ocular fluids: that's why not every vampire's eyes are blood-red.

Most of their other fluids (tears, sweat, urine, semen, etc.) *are* made up of blood.

>>51961557
>Does that mean you can diablerize a vampire by sucking his dick?

Theoretically, yes. Though probably only if said vampire was using Blush of Health/Life to pump blood into his dick.

I mean, the Giovanni (both male and female) have been stated to sometimes use oral sex as a way to feed their ghouls.

>>51959774
I always figgured it had to be made with the intent of killing a vampire and you just couldent pick up any wooden thing and stab the blood suckers in the heart

>>51957776

Would a Thyrsus take weretiger cock if offered?

>>51961961
You realize feline members are riddled with spikes, right?

>>51962030
I'm not hearing a no.

>>51962030
Pretty sure thats a bonus for him mate.

>>51961961

Does said Thyrsus believe in bestiality?

What would the members of her cabal, Order and Consilium think about such gauche behavior.

>>51962030
>feline members are riddled with spikes

That's something a Thysus could easily remedy.

>>51961961
Probably, Thyrsus are sluts

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>>51956538

>I played the Tremere blood slave of an abusive Tzimisce psychopath once. She wanted a spellslinging fuccboi to do her bidding, I guess. That's pretty romantic, right?

And she didn't fleshcraft you at all?

>>51962054

Wouldn't bestiality require it to be A.) non-sapient and B.) an animal? Weres are all half-spirit bullshit, so it would fall under that instead.

>>51960309
>The angels take the demon's body away after, right?
Recycled yupe

>t buy each power individually
technically all splats besides mages buy their powers individually so You'll have to be more specific. Werewolfs have renown and aspects to work with so they have to buy their powers across a grid as well

I have this sick feeling that DaveB quit.

bait

Dave hasn't quite, he just no longer cares, and the recent mess with ZacS hasn't helped.

>>51962378
>bait

Not bait. His forum signature no longer states him as developer for both Mage and Deviant.

I am frightened. I would be genuinely annoyed and saddened if he leaves.

>>51960309
>that picture
Didn't she make a cake mocking reddit in response?

>>51962416
>His forum signature no longer states him as developer for both Mage and Deviant.

Hmm. When did that happen?

Could it be a response to the Zak S. fiasco?

>>51962416
>>51962434

Perhaps he's just fighting the power.

>>51962434
what fiasco?

>>51962416
>>51962434
>His forum signature no longer states him as developer for both Mage and Deviant.

I'm betting that by Gencon 2017, there'll be an announcement of a new developer for Mage and Deviant.

That will be unfortunate, but unsurprising. Dave's definitely been far less active as of late, likely having real life issues dominate his time. It's probably why the Mage FAQ hasn't been released, nor have new Deviat spoilers. Add his very annoyed response on rpg.net and elsewhere about the ZakS controversy, he probably felt it was time to move on.

I'm curious if he leaves the role of developer if he still intends to write for the various gamelines. He's one of the most prolific CofD authors, and if he leaves, he absence will be noticed and missed.

>>51962508
>>51962434
>>51962416
>>51962326

I know Dave doesn't post much here any more, but it would be great if he just let us know whether he's still either developing or writing for OPP or WW.

>>51962454
>what fiasco?

http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/general/off-topic/1050412-white-wolf-hires-zak-smith-im-out

>>51962326

WW killed DaveB, those bastards!

>#GoodByeDave

>>51962508
Are people still mad about the whole Zak thing? The only interaction I have with the world of darkness 'fans' is this thread and thats because you fucks are slightly less obnoxious and annoying than the other places I could go.

Yes, even the magefags and the werewolves that want to fuck everything.

Running CofD, my players are a bunch of regular mortals thrown into the supernatural, gradually becoming hunters. One of them has an aspiration to cure their infertility, what are some fucked up ways I could offer them a supernatural solution to this, with a price? Barring the obvious deal with a demon.

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>>51962607

What, you don't think vampfags want to fuck everything?

>>51962689
At least they dont keep going on about the knot and where they want to put it.

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>>51962702

The Gangrels might.

Me though? I just wanna take long late at night strolls on a beach with Imalia and hold hands.

>>51962614
Changeling bargains.
Fertility is guaranteed, but the child has a defect, like wooden eyes, or it acts like a beacon for the gentry

>>51962727
You sick fuck! I'm calling the FBI. That filth has to be illegal

>>51962614
life arcana imbued mage cocaine (and the new perceptions that come with it), thaumaturgical vitae (and the addiction/vinculus that comes with it), Cheiron Group implants (and the contract that comes with it), changeling glamours (a more austere contract, in all likelihood), shamanic werewolf-spirit holy ghost conception (but who knows the nature of what you'll give birth to)

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>>51962756

You can't stop it, man! True love!

And when I get done with holding her hands, I'm going to make her be the little spoon and after that it's straight up cuddling and sweet nothings time.

>>51962607
I heard the guy has harassed DavidB And Hill in the past. It might have just been Hill though.

>>51963452
I haven't heard that he harassed DaveB. I know DaveB doesn't like him, but it seems like the major portion of the beef is between Zak and Hill.

Is there an Archery Fighting style in 2e?

>>51963452

It was Hill, Young (his partner), and a White Wolf writer who got more or less driven out of the industry after a Zak related controversy. There are others, but those three are directly connected to White Wolf/OPP.

Folks are mad and will continue to be mad over ZakS, because even if you don't think there's a problem with him specifically, there's enough potential problems around his hiring and what that means for the company's closest licensor and, so far, the only company to actually make money on any WW IP at the moment. We know how close Dracula is to the company, so this isn't some kind of corporate blindness. While the narrative itself fell into yet another Zak Trap (unless you knew that Zak accused the creator of Monsterhearts of pedophilia once, you're not going to put together that the political quizzing Trans serial killer just might be named after her), the issue is that Dracula didn't vet his freelancers properly and now we're going to see more content delays. That Dracula probably just hired ZakS because they're Facebook friends is icing on the cake.

>>51962549
>I know Dave doesn't post much here any more, but it would be great if he just let us know whether he's still either developing or writing for OPP or WW.

Dave is not going to tell us anything, at least not until OPP makes some official announcement. Even if he's choosing to not develop or author any more, he wouldn't want to burn any bridges with RichT or nWW in case he might want to return.

Dave is also a very fickle and angry god, and not telling us about the current state of affairs probably amuses him or he considers it punishment for our myriad of transgressions.

Who might OPP select as the new Mage 2e developer?

Maybe MattMc, what could go wrong?

>Mage2e Is Dead
>Long Live Mage 2e!

>>51962549

Yes, I am still Mage and Deviants developer.

For fucks sake, it's just a sig file.

>>51963782

Turns out a human being's entire destiny is connected to their forums signature. Sorry, it's magic law.

>>51963817
It's true.

You should probably fix that, Dave.

Before you get fired or fade from existence or something.

>>51963833
Fine. I updated it. FFS.

>>51963845

We love you.

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>>51963845
Don't get snippy with me, mister.

I'm just looking out for your existential and employment situations.

>>51963782

Yes, definitely an angry and capricious god!

However, with confirmation you're alive and employed, what's up with the Mage FAQ and Deviant?

>>51963817
>>51963833

What would happen if someone hacked Dave's sig?

Instead of Mage Developer, he could be High Reptile King, Lord and Emperor of Komodo Dragons.

David Hill posted terrible vampire apologist stuff on his twitter again.

>>51964096
Twitter needs to hurry up and die.

>>51964096
>>51964111

Didn't they use to commit people for psychiatric observation or arrest you for drug possession for the type of nonsense DavidH posts on his Twitter feed?

>#GetOffMyLawn

>>51964096
>David Hill posted terrible vampire apologist stuff on his twitter again

You mean his heartbreaker "game"?

>>51959171
I love the concept of a stake size queen vampire

>>51959440
Demons can already give their powers out as parts, you would just have to give one a good reason to "loan" it to you and promptly never give it back

I hate bring up mage stuff here because annoying assholes who spam nonsense but is it possible to become an archmaster without knowing it? I donlt mean gamewise I mean character a explores the temenos as much as he can. visits a forgotten place thats about to die, He's gnosis 6 space/mind five through series of events he figures out that by making an infectious sympathetic link he can make one. Finds the quintessence, casts the spell, ends up successfully passing the trials. Realizes only after that he's now an archmaster.

>>51959101
The logic is that it's wood, which is the really important part of a stake being effective against a vampire.

Can you logically prove the appropriate effective size of a piece of wood against a vampire?

>>51964096

Oh for goodness sake, it's fine. We were all talking about how there should be more Vampire/WoD Heartbreakers and/or clones anyways.

Trenchcoats and Katanas is my personal favorite at the moment. Looking forward to the updated version.

>>51964096
>David hill
>twitter
Please tell me it's not as bad as I'm imagining in my head.

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>>51957814
>>51957825
http://vocaroo.com/i/s08e9os2pFL6

>>51964858

Imperial Mysteries suggests that one does not accidentally become an archmaster.

It is a very deliberate and calculated act to attempt to breach the Threshold.

Also, the prerequisites to attempt archmastery require more than just Gnosis 6 and second degree mastery, and even requires the expenditure of substantial Arcane XP.

>>51964955

It sounds more like someone isn't housebroken.

>>51964964
I just said they meet the requirements. The situation is the character doesn't know much about archmastery itself but wants to cast a spell beyond him.

>>51964896
It's bad. Things like 'vampires shouldn't be rape metaphors, we'll make them metaphors for capitalists and big corporations that forever evade justice!'

>>51965023
You mean like what it would be for the very first Archmaster? Feeling like he's onto something big but doesn't know what?

>>51965046

That's just as valid an interpretation of a Vampire as any. If you've got beef with the dude or the game, that's fine, but that in itself isn't that bad.

>>51965117
I don't disagree. I just feel like he's being a bit hypocritical and I kindof find him to be a douchecanoe.

>>51965046
Vampires-as-gatherers-rather-than-hunters is not exactly remaking the wheel. Even Masquerade had a Herd Merit.

So, has DavidH officially separated from OPP/nWW, or is it still more of he's really upset and threatening to not work for them again?

I could certainly understand why he wouldn't want to continue such work, but it's not the first time he's threatened to leave, and then done nothing.

Unlike DaveB, however, DavidH's sig does still indicate he's a WW writer, editor and developer.

Dave, do you write or develop for any other rpg's besides CofD?

>>51965285
I also seem to recall reading something about Daeva gathering harems in Requiem.

>>51965325

It's not that he's done nothing as much as he's straight up still on the contracted work from when he said he was going to step back from doing contracted tabletop work. That's how slow publishing in this industry can be.

>>51965340
The only thing that's out yet was a thing for Dragon Age. After Deviant, my next big project is going to be my own rpg, which I put off doing when OPP asked me to do Deviant.

>>51965100
I mean like archmastery as a sideeffect rather than the goal itself. The goal is to cast magic to save a dying area of the temenos that no one but him gives a shit about.

>>51965656
Yeah. So, even if I got upset to the point of quitting rpgs by no longer accepting work, I would still be working on books for the next two years.

>>51965680
Can I ask, astral realms is my favorite mage sidebook is that going to get a revamp?

>>51965680
>DaveB
>next big project is going to be my own rpg

What genre of rpg?

Will in be in collaboration with / published by OPP like Cavaliers of Mars and Pugmire?

>>51965680
What kind of rpg?

This is interesting.

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>>51964896

David Hill twitter post makes me thing he almost deserve what he got from zak.....almost

>>51966192
I'd rather see more people doing what they did in your pic. Holy fuck hill is just out of touch.

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Dave do you have any cutie Thyrsus girls in your games?

>>51966192
That last tweet is the best

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>>51966261
Thyrsus that aren't sultry seductive sluts aren't Thyrsus worth messing with.

Feral Mien merit or get out.

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>>51966236

Personally i love when he went on a tirade on how star wars was bad because it was war propaganda and "han shot first" was toxic masculinity and then he end it with this gem.

This is what opp echo chamber does to you kids, dont to opp is gonna fuck your brain

>>51966192
This is the same David Hill whose current twitter advocates punching nazis?

>>51966340
Nah, that's what being a fucking hypocrite and unable to stop being an 'anarchist' or whatever does.

>>51966364
Yup.

>>51966340
What... like fucking what.

>>51966381
Ah. I suddenly don't feel as bad for him.

>Circlejerk about political/pop culture shit a writer does that's not even about their WoD/CofD material

Come the fuck on, I'd take people retreading Archmages vs God again than this tripe.

What's the character concept you most want to play but haven't gotten the chance to yet?

>>51966404

I mean, i feel bad for david hill children. They have to be raised by an obviously not fitting adult and then stalked by a weirdo like Zak.

I feel bad that if Hill leaves OPP is gonna be because of Zak and not the company getting its shit together and kicking him out for how much of an shitty game designer he is.

I just wish both zak and hill sat down and kill each other in the mother of all cripple fights

>>51966441
Transforming Hero. I have a feeling Deviant is gonna do it for me.

>>51966441
>What's the character concept you most want to play but haven't gotten the chance to yet?

A tires and old NWoD agent who is just sick of this shit.

A mage in awakening or a ritemaster in forsaken. I am the only one in my city who runs chrod

>>51966364
>punching nazis
Well that is the American past time.

>>51966441
I made a character for a Boston campaign from the book. Haven't had a chance to play him, because short of running a Boston campaign myself I'm not likely to find one, and I'm no good at GMing.

The concept is a Moros Mystagogue who has ancestral and familial ties to Boston's Awakened community, but wasn't raised there. The goals for him were to dig through the history of the area to learn about where he came from. Speaking and dealing with ghosts, looking for ruins of the old colonial Mage strongholds, that sort of thing. If you read the book then you know that means getting tied up in conspiracies and cannibal cults and Seer shenanigans.

>>51965710
So can i ask what's the deal with the meta plot with the namean, First he was the heirarch then he was cast out now he's Charles Mansoning it.

>>51966441
I miss actually playing. I'm the fucking Forever ST because ever game that pops up 1) is outside of my schedule capability, and 2) ends up invariably falling apart or 3) wants to run supernatural superfriends which isn't my thing.

>>51966565
Mages go crazy. That's pretty much it, unless the ST running the plot wants to add additional factors to it.

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>>51966340
Hill deserves to be bullied more, not less.

>>51966565
>what's the deal with the nemean
he did nothing wrong that's what

>>51966583
>gundam
>neoliberalism
does he even know what that term means?

>>51966583
He does have Zeon shit all around. No clue if that makes him a neoliberal but it does kinda make him even further a hypocrite since, ain't Zeon a stand-in for the Nazis?

>>51966534

I have a boston awakening game in my to do list for ages.

In mine i dropped the whole secret concord thing but made the tremere asylum this unsurmable fortress all mages wanna conquer but cant.

>>51966608
Who doesn't know what gundam means?

>>51966608
Of course not, Hill's a consumerist zombie. His politics are just an attempt to trick people into thinking he has a personality.

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>>51963570
Use the one from the Armory. Stake vamps all day. Even the ones that want to rewrite the rules so he can be immune to stakings like >>51959101

What's the general opinion on fishmalks? I'm currently writing up a malk character that I'll probably never play and am wondering what type of madness to giver them.

>>51966690
The kind that makes sire they never see play.

>>51962614
Someone with The Goblin Midwife contract ( Goblin Markets Page 25)

>The stories of infertile couples seeking out the supernatural in order to have children have their basis in fact. This Contract allows the changeling to act as that go-between, blessing the subject with a temporary increase in fertility. The drawback is twofold, however. First, the child or children conceived with the aid of this Contract will bear some sort of faerie curse. Second, the character using the Contract suffers a mild backlash of twisted love; a former or current paramour develops a strong antipathy for the character. If the character using the Contract has no lovers past or present who are not already bitter and resentful towards him, then the curse will fall on the next object of his affections. He cannot use this Contract again until the curse has been expiated.

>>51963612
The problem is there is no actionable legal evidence of any of the claims against Zak, so that means there is no real evidence from a 'corporate' angle.

>>51966720
I-is this a cuckoldry contract?

>>51963782
But without wild speculation as to what's going on how will we amuse our selves.

>>51964791
Just remove you heart and make fun of people who stake you for being too small.

>>51964878
>Trenchcoats and Katanas
This game would make the best WoD LARP

>>51966534
>>51966639
I ran a Boston game last year with mixed results due to issues with two of the players. I won't be including players from timezones more than hours away again. Also, always check to see if the players are from the location where you are setting the game. It can be very useful to get a local perspective.
Might get back in touch with some of those players to try and wrap the chronicle up.

>>51966737

Oh, totally, there's so much plausible deniability to the whole thing and it sucks. Even if Dracula had went and talked to people who got harassed by the guy (not that he would nor did he probably try hard if he did, he and Zak were friends on social media first and Dracula always hires his friends first and foremost) it probably wouldn't have done anything.

>>51966817

Especially if you could use the Car Wizards expansion with it.

>>51966839
>hires his friends
>gives controversial interviews
>plans to make WoD great again

Is Dracula a tabletop version of Trump?

>>51966639
Funnily enough I would have done much the same. The Secret Concord thing didn't strike me as very interesting, while I have plans for my character to seize the super graveyard with its super-zombies as his Hallow, with all the ramifications that entails. The book said something bout the Nemean not wanting a Moros to have it, so naturally my character want it.

>>51966839
Nepotism is rampant in larps so I'm honestly not surprised

>>51966899
This post gave me a very strong sense of deja vu.

>>51966666
Check those quints. Anyone who defies Vampire staking via wooden splinters is a huge faggot

>>51966744
You ready to get cucked by an actual bull man?

>>51966864
2Fast2Furious LARP edition.

>>51966899

Yes, he is.

>>51966829

It was chat/skype game or a pbp?

>>51962326
I hope so.

>>51967132
Roll20, text only.
Met the players here.
Would definitely play with most of them again.

>>51966908
The Secret Concord on its own is good back story and motivation, but hard for the players to get involved with directly. The old group that will even talk about it is the Free Council. The easiest way is to probably let the ramifications hit first, then lead to the discovery.

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Been thinking about running a game following up to Bloodlines. My ideal focus is on the Camarilla, after Strauss succeeded LaCroix as Prince.

If you were to be in it, what type of stuff would you want to see?

>>51967233
Eh. I don't really mind it as part of the setting, as a hush-hush mysterious and deadly agreement made ages ago fits the (I don't know what you'd call it) atmosphere they're going for.

If I'm being totally honest though, everything else in the book interested me more.

>>51967384

This. The other plot point are 10 times more player engaging and interesting but the books and npcs ignore them completely.

The combat zone and the asylum.

Young Neo. The reason a stake through the heart stops vampires and a twig does not is easy to explain.

To demonstrate I have taken the liberty of steal these pigs from the local farmer's market, and extracting their organs. They tasted exactly as you would expect, like porkrins. If I still had a working digestive track I would vomit their blood. But you can't always have Doctorates. Oh how I miss my university tenure. But I digress.

You can see I have peeled back the skin on these two, and cracked the ribs within. And you can see the heart underneath has been exposed. Normally a stake would have to crack the bones here or here to get at the heart, but We already know and understand the hardness of bone verse wood. It's a documented science, so I shall not retread a known quantity, as it is not apart of the question.

*First pig is impaled by a stake* This one I call Link

The Stake ruptures all four of the heart's chambers, while a toothpick is too flimsy and breaks when forced into the skin or organ.

*Second pig heart is covered in toothpicks all over it* This one I call Zelda

Therefore due to empirical evidence, I can concluded this argument, that not only is the wood important but also the rupturing of the four heart chambers. Link are you paying attention? The four chambers are where the curse is metaphysically localized. It has to pump the blood through the dead flesh and revitalize it. Stopping that function is critical to stopping an undead.

I'd wager that those snake fiends have also come to this realization as well, and are able to translocate their hearts while not stopping the heart from pumping. But they fall when you rupture their four heart chambers as well.

Now for a hands on demonstration I'm going to need you to lie on the table. Just for a moment

>>51967349
The primogen and the barons opposing Strauss because he's a filthy Tremere.
The anarchs still growing strong and Nines coming into conflict with Isaac.
The legend of the neonate growing bigger and increasingly contradictory.
Rumors of LaCroix pulling strings and licking boots in the distance to get back his title.
The Sabbat getting ready for round 2.

>>51967484
>Watches Dr Robotnick gently lay toothpicks over a heart and proclaim staking is impossible
Hey Dr Roboto could you like, iunno, actually shoot a wooden cored bullet into that pig heart for me senpai?

Or try standing next to an exploding wooden object and let me know how it goes?
Hearts don't pump with wood splinters in them.

This is all theoretical, the chaos gods have already invalidated counter arguments with proof of their favor>>51966666

>>51967453
A lot of the things in the book have potential, and I like most of the characters. Seers running Harvard, a Tremere lich with her own ghetto kingdom, a hardcore Sleeper reporter who wants to nose into your business, an old Awakened family who might want to rope you into an arranged marriage, a fucking Seer militia, etc.

Playing a Moros Pharmcist who Awakened in a car accident that took the life of her husband and unborn child. Husband's ghost is her familiar but molded him to look like his child self so she can experience motherhood. How does one use matter to make potions?

>>51967595
Rolls eyes, Neonate if you're not going to take this experiment seriously There is no point in it.

*Shoots neo in the heart*

See the wood does not stay in the four chambers. Therefore a vampire's heart would knit itself back. Wood acts as a clotting and blocking agent against reforming of the heart. And the toothpick as already been proven not structurally sound enough to hold shape or pierce the necessarily organs.

The cases of exploding splinters have exaggerated to make the splinters seem small. but in the documented cases these 'splinters' have prove to be roughly foot length. The force of an explosion i.e. the cannonball ripping through the hull, fractures the wooden beam. which is roughly 3 yards in length at least which then creates these smaller but still large enough to stake, roughly about one foot. And that piece of wood then ruptures the four chambers after breaking through bone and fleshly layers. And undead too stupid and too unlucky to not to take precautions against it. Young Neo if you will not research these cases on your own at least understand the empirical evidence in front of you

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>>51957961
Here you go:
http://myfigurecollection.net/item/287299

>>51967734
>How does one use matter to make potions?

I believe such temporary enchanted items will be included in the upcoming Signs of Sorcery.

>>51967734
Tome of the Mysteries has a chapter on Awakened alchemy, but truthfully I found it kind of underwhelming. To summarize it, you would use Matter and another arcanum to create a base substance that you would imbue with a spell from that arcanum. For potions I think you would need Matter and Life, and I do remember that for bombs you need Matter and Forces.

>>51967841

Dave has indicated that the old Tome of Mysteries alchemy sections was needlessly long and convoluted, and the updated material in Signs of Sorcery will be much shorter and simpler.

>>51967880
That would be great. I got excited when I saw the possibility of an alchemist character, but when I actually got down to reading it I was really turned off.

>>51967804
Her butthole is microscopic.

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More proof David A Hill needs to be bullied more

>>51962416
http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/mage-the-awakening/1055378-mage-is-biting-us-in-the-ass-every-step-of-the-way?p=1055434#post1055434

Most recent post I see on his profile. Sig still mentions Mage and Deviant, so... bait or bullshit.

>>51968135
If you knew how to read you'd see that he fixed it, because of this thread.
See >>51963845

>>51968153
Yeah, maybe I should read the whole thread before I respond to anything.

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>>51968209

>>51968051
This is what happens when you don't do basic research before making a claim. Not even talking about political leanings, everyone should learn to back up what they say.

>>51964955
Literally what sound effect is that supposed to be?

>>51960806
The one with Chun Li on a stripper pole?

>>51967804
what absolute degeneracy. I hope Trump bans all anime statue imports

>>51968524
>A man who went through five wives
>having any decency

>>51968759
The first 4 were all degenerates.

>>51968774
He pays for their shit and he devoced them because they were getting old. He's from nyc he has no morals.

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>>51958848
>>51958403
>>51958340
>City Gangrel Anarch
>weapon of choice is Obrez (sawn-off Nagant)
>craft my own ammo
>Camarilla rolls into town to claim turf
>count one posh cunt and half a dozen lackeys
>waltz into their "secret" meeting room
>place 7 custom-made wood-core bolts on the table
>2 days later Camarilla rolls out of town

>>51968793
>has no morals
Which President did? It sure hasn't been any of them in the last 20 years.

>>51968872
>Which President did?
Jimmy the Peanut man, maybe, and it was 40 years ago.

>>51967804
It's a rip off of this statue
http://www.jyoung-studio.com/swan-contortionist.htm

>>51969221

I like both

>>51957776

Can we see the front?

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>you will never play a Detroit forsaken campaign
why is life so unfair?

>>51968412
reread the image file name, then relisten to the sounds

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>>51967800

>Takes away being staked by anything less than a sharpened adult redwood.
>Next session removes aggro from sun
>There after removes need to feed on bloodaroos.

Senpai. It's time to look in the mirror and celebrate your vampy "culture"

>>51968135
>That link
>see the rest of the threads
>how do we limit mages x3
why not just play a different game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC1J7qqBCJk

>>51970239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DidakZTjabw

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>>51970239

Can someone bloodpill these D&D nerds about Zak S.? >>51969598

>>51970344
Zak S made WoD dev David Hill butthurt because his fans are all faggots.

>>51970344
Don't bother. Most of us agree Zak S has a rabid fan base and a history of starting shit, but we like the content he has produced for OSR. Sucks to hear about the Vampire game.

>>51970368
Are you implying that Zak isn't a total fucking faggot?

>>51968339
but these sources are racist, sexist, ableist and are triggering for poor leftist babys

>>51970482
I assumed that went without saying after seeing his hair.

>>51970469

I honestly don't get it. His OSR stuff is good but not that kind of fan base good.

Watching a playthrough of VtM Redemption. This is better than I expected.

>>51968135
What makes demons and mummies strong?

>>51971083
>What makes demons and mummies strong?
Mummies wake up at Powerstat 10 and Demons can 'Go Loud' blowing one of their covers in order to go Powerstat 10 for a scene and heal all their damage and gain access to the full range of 'affinity' powers as well as all of the templates 'big' powers, Exploits.

>>51971083
>>51971114
They can go full endgame.
When a demon goes loud or a mummy first wakes up, it's on part with a vampire or werewolf with a maxed power stat, full disciplines/renown, every (or at least most) devotions/gifts, etc.

>>51957776
so umm..what figure is that?

>>51971114
And then you got those genius high-Gnosis mages that can prepare so precisely well that not even freshly awakened mummies or demons going loud are going to manage survival when they're in play.

Throw in the world-bending Seekers and it's no longer a trinity of powers, but now a one-sided stomp in the heavy favor of Awakening.
Thank god for the Pax Arcanum, something Ascension dearly needed.

These three game-lines should only ever scarcely be used in crossover. Although I do figure mixing both Mage & Demon has great potential. Mummy has never fit into my view, no matter how thorough I read into it.

>>51970858
Best vidya game ever made.

>>51971525
I wouldn't say that, but the scenario writing is not bad, and it's nice to see the jump from Dark Ages to modern, even if it doesn't seem like there's ANY challenge to the game at all.

>>51971421
The issue with Mage and balance is that the gain in utility and power is not linear with the number of arcana you have access too.

>>51971402
Unless you got a couple spare burner covers you'll almost never want to go loud and demons are surprisingly squishy. So if you're going loud you better murder everybody and get out quick.

>>51971818
>Not collecting at least 1 'spare' low rank Cover to burn for emergencies.

>>51971525
The story is fine, the controls and companion AI were horrid. Best way to enjoy the game was cheesing the discipline choice that made everything past first quarter of the game trivial.

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>>51970858

Call me a pleb or whatever you like, but I enjoyed Redemption more than Bloodlines.

>>51972224
Wasn't calling you a pleb, mate. Just was saying 'not the best game ever made'. Just got to 'Cristof wakes up and murders the Inquisition to flee'. Again, not much challenge. The AI is way dumb (I has gun! I shoot gun! Oh I run close and get stabbed!)

>>51972282

>wasn't calling you a pleb, mate

I think you got the wrong guy, I'm not whoever was talking about Redemption earlier.

And yeah, I know the game has its fair share of flaws.

But MY PRECIOUS VITAE!

>>51972310
I just got past that scene, actually. Funny stuff. Also interesting concept for an Inquisition member.

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>>51972343

Is it though?

>>51970093

Because some people just want to play mage and dont care for a game about demigods snapping their finger and solving everything with mages slapped on it.

>>51972456
But this has been this way since ascension were they are even stronger. Like there are other games and other systems for something weaker. Not like it matters most early magic is just a lot of shortcutting then raw bruteforcing. If you are having an issue maybe learning the system and responding appropriately would be better.

Mage the awakening has always been about people with incredibly strong powers fighting against equally strong enemies. If you want something weaker just use proximi or hedge mages.

Hey tg, i am planning on running my first awakening game. My idea is that players start with a cap in maximum 2 arcanum to let the player who havent and probably wont read the book get used to their arcanums.

I am not using no other splat as neither pcs or npcs. No archmastery and player would only be allowed mastery in any arcanum by the last arc of the game. That said i read in previous threads that mages will never face any difficulty unless i constantly and relentlessly attack them with 10+ enemies and things like that.

Is that true? Even with all the limitations i am putting should i be worry that the pcs will never face any difficulty?

>>51972640
There's no way your game will last long enough for you to worry about mastery, let alone archmastery.

How do I third impact?

>>51972640
Powers don't get strong until 3 and that's just strong. 4-5 is where the powers get absurd. Do not bash them with super strong enemies until you understand the game and powers. There are a few really strong two dot powers like psychic domination but even at max gnosis and arcana for a character at that level without a rote making that spell hit anything moderately strong is hard. Mages have some serious fire power but it's not front loaded.

>>51972711
>>>/h/4553471

>>51968802
Preach it brother.

Sabbat for unlife!

>>51972713
I should also add. What makes strong than other Templates is their versatility and ability to prepare.

>>51972713
>max gnosis
>psychic domination
>hard

Yeah, no.
That's not hard at all to do.

>>51972456
I believe that's what Sorcerer is for, no?

>>51972845
Max gnosis for the character which is at best 3 even at 3+3 mind six dice, between resistance and the chances of getting even three dice is bad on an 8 or above. You'll be able to make a normal sleeper kill themselves you won't be able to do the same with the vampire cultist.

>>51972869
Sorcerer is oWoD. Essentially a watered down mage with a more linear magic system and nowhere near as powerful.

There are similar things in nWoD/CofD, but that's not one of them.

>play vampire prelude thing
>forced to ally with faggot vampires and have a long talk about fucking my mom

>play mage prelude thing
>make sweden great again technocracy 2015
>get told im gonna feel guilty forever now

what the fuck

>>51972891
Oshit, I thought you were talking about Gnosis 10.
Feel free to throw a brick at my face. I won't stop you.

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>>51972922

I sure hope you didn't actually shell out shekels for that.

>>51972922

Weird i got a technocracy ending in which i end up enjoying a cup of technocrat super coffee with my new boss eager to learn all the wonders of SCIENCE!

>>51972956

>"guys can someone finish ocean hotel for me? it scares the shit out of me"

>>51972956
no i got my childe to spend his shekels for me, i am a broke NEET

>>51972960
Yes but I wanted to make sweden great again. its a game where youre a reality warping will worker. i should have been able to make sweden great again

>>51972928
Well yeah. Gnosis is honestly the best power stat in nwod because of how much it governs. At ten all your improvised spell casting gives you 10 to all spells. It's also tied to legacies and praxsis. But at start most mages are going to be shit at improvised spell casting. Even ritual spell casting sucks because you'll eventually have no dice to roll if you go for too long.

>>51972922
Welcome to nuWW. SOCIAL ISSUES ARE WHAT WE DO NOW.

>>51972673

Those are the houserules the previous dm use for dming ascension and we never broke the game in any way. We played 3 rl months in arete 2, three more in arete 3 and so on. Dm didnt let us buy more arete/spheres until we finished an arc. We had fun but we also take paradigm seriously and never try things like throwing anthrax.

>>51972713
Thanks for the clarification, inwas just curious because people here always compare mage agaisnt other splat but not much how it stands alone as a game.

For example i read paradox sounds good on paper but in play it only relevant if i am throwing everything but the kitchen sink at them.

>>51972916
>Essentially a watered down mage with a more linear magic system and nowhere near as powerful
Sounds like what they want.

>>51959775

Step One:Find Demon.
Step Two:Help Demon capture other Demon.
Step Three:Form Gadget extraction.
Step Four:Repeat.

>>51973010

Thank god my players never buy the power stats.

>>51973035

Unfortunately the rules of sorcerers are badly written and brucatto doesnt want a sorcerer 20th because magic is spelled magick

>>51973025
The issue with paradox is that it was changed from vulgar covert to reach based. Basically adding on to a spell too many times makes it invoke paradox. Unless players need to add more paradox early game anyway doesn't come much into play. That doesn't mean it has no teeth. Just that it's only really going to start biting when a character needs to think on their feet or cast something stronger. If you want paradox coming into play I would play with reach the issue is that the system is so delicate in it's state that it could end up being punishing.

>>51973103
That's unfortunate.

>>51973035
Sorcerer only goes up to 6 dots as well, much like Werewolf. Not as wanked, and exceptionally slow to pull of effects.

So no 10 dot "I'm going DC/Marvel mode" Discipline/Sphere equivalents for them.
Not that 6-10 dot Disciplines are unusable, as they're far weaker than the arch-Spheres and don't go beyond the borders of the earth in terms of scale.

>>51973198
>that one six dot chemistry ability that's worth diablerizing up to 8th gen for.

>>51970671

He fucks porn stars.

That's it, that's his entire claim to fame. D&D with porn stars.

>>51973229
>D&D with porn stars.
I Hit It With My Axe?

>>51973160
>That's unfortunate.

The group comes from requiem 1.0 in which blood potency was incredible expensive, took a long time to give a tangible advantage and it wasnt a flashy advantage.

>>51973316
Yeah but you really want gnosis it's such big fact though having too much makes it harder to deal with paradox, it's such an advantage but i guess they can find out the hard way.

>>51973381

Can you raise gnosis with regular xp? I though you can only use arcane xp for gnosis and arcanums

>>51973381
The increased paradox risk is an issue until it isn't. In the latter parts of the game you can reliably get exceptional successes on spell casts and side step a lot of paradox by just throwing mana at the problem and recuperating it from the exceptional success.

Assuming of course you're not using your exceptional success to blast past withstand.

>>51973198
>archspheres
What can they do that makes them so powerful?

>>51973471
Gnosis can be raised with either regular or arcane xp.

>>51973488
the exceptional success caveats are probably the biggest issues that shouldn't have been added at least they should have been reduced.

>>51973512

Nobody respond to the above.

I don't think it's bait, but I don't want to deal with another Archmage masturbatory session.

>>51973198
I don't understand why people act like players go Archmaster in every fucking game.

>>51973626
To be fair, most want to. i know i want to but it never gets allowed.

>>51973589 huh i just reread that. i would just make it so that mana per paradox doesn't get refunded. i haven't gotten an exceptional success wo i skimmed it but i think all mana is just a liberal interpretation.

>>51973790
the withstand effect is just bullshit and trivializes the game especially when it's three successes instead of five. daveb what were you thinking? The game is already strong without these effects and the other three bonuses are fine.

>>51970482
He's the Milo Yonoupolis (sp?) of gaming.

>>51973915
Eh, the dagger cuts both ways. You can blast fuckers easier but you can be blown up just as easy. It incentivizes extreme paranoia with shielding spells.

Anyone has other trove links beside pastebin? I miss a lot of old wod books that troves don't have either.

>archmage supremacy

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>>51974275
Milo's actually funny and kinda likable.

This faggot on the other hand..

The OPP forums is being retarded again

>>51974427
In other news, water is still wet.

>>51974440
Sports at 11.

>>51974427
Whats happening now? I'm having fun reading the complete tearing apart of the WoD Documentary on RPG.net.

>>51974427

what happened?

>>51974331
>Eh, the dagger cuts both ways. You can blast fuckers easier but you can be blown up just as easy. It incentivizes extreme paranoia with shielding spells.

Not really, it turns the game in a "one hit kill" and/or forces the DM to make the NPC idiots and not use all their tools at their disposal to give them a fucking chance.

It even forces PCs to permashield themselves if they can, which in turn makes most normal threat null as a side effect and forces the DM hand to make the threats the PCs are countermeasuring agaisnt as the ONLY threats he can use.

>>51973118

Brucato should never have been involved with M20.

He's a verbose flake who minces words and fundamentally doesn't understand Mage. The Disparate Alliance is dumb.

Really should have just had the team from CB:NWO/Syndicate write the Traditions.

>>51974851
>M20

Don't worry.
It's not like it's any more canon than Revised or 2nd edition

>>51974594

Link???

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>>51974914
...

We're going back to 1e.

>>51974960
https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?799220-New-White-Wolf-quot-Before-Vampire-RPGs-were-all-childish-fantasy-games-for-losers!-quot

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Tomboy Obrimos Arrow who's Legacy is embodying the Sun

>>51975044
Yeah.
To TL;DR it for >>51974960:
>Documentary roughly states that WW took the gaming and made it more mainstream and less 'nerd, geek, outcast' culture
>Documentary talks about WW's influence on other things such as goth scene/clubs/etc.
>RPG.net goes insane refuting any and all parts of the documentary, such as games that weren't D&D that predated WW games
>RPG.net is going on about 'WW says you're not mature if you play elfgames'.

So it's essentially a big ass echo chamber with people trying to put in a little bit of perspective on 'Hey, these are PEOPLE'S FUCKING OPINIONS and EXPERIENCES,' and also everyone is ignoring the fact that WW had a huge market visibility comparable really ONLY to D&D in many areas.

>>51975112

A lot of it is discussion of new media and ww's biz plans.

Man, I'd really like a nice White Wolf documentary, but I just know that the WoD documentary is just gonna be a puff piece with a "BUY ONE WORLD OF DARKNESS" ending.

>>51975217
Nah, I read the whole thread. Outside of >>51975242 which is there, it's a lot of 'WW claimed this, but really, <this!>' Which I don't get why they're arguing about it, other than to echo chamber about it.

White Wolf is coming across as totally pretentious, inept and incapable of doing anything right.

They seem to forget that the 90s are long over.

>>51975242
Is there anything concrete? Because I really do doubt that White Wolf will expand as much as it wants to. For example, I don't think there will be a Netflix series. Future video games will depend on how Werewolf is received, and from the info on that front, it isn't too promising.

Counting chickens before they hatch, and all that.

>>51975355

Given how these past couple of years have been working out, this will actually end up meaning that they're totally going to succeed and America's gonna have tons of Eurolarps in five years.

>>51975447
I don't quite get what you mean. Explain?

>>51975478

This seems to be the time when sure bets for success and failure end up becoming the total and complete opposite. Last year's World Series, this year's Super Bowl, this year's Oscars Best Picture winner, that sort of thing.

In times like these, I could totally see White Wolf essentially stumbling its way back to success and a 90s gaming revival in all aspects, somehow.

>>51975537
Fucking meme magic has gone too far.

>>51975436

Wizards couldn't get their app working. Wizards. They're fucked for trying.

The Werewolf game is made by a shovelware company.

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>>51975561

We can make the world stop.