/nWoD/ & /oWoD/ & /CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness

>>51974079
Doubt it, aren't they eldritch things that solely want to eat the universe?

>>51970054
am i really the only one who wants this? that makes me sad

>>51974652
there's a long actual play called detroit rock city

>>51970054

Fuck I hate Detroit. Burn it and Chicago to the ground.

>>51974079
>Do you think it would be possible to make a splat about Unbidden-like beings?
you mean like the mages and ghost mages and prometheans in unbidden?

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Post your character concepts!

>>51975703
Toreador embraced in the mid-80s whose art is 'perfection of the body'. Heavily into martial arts, nowadays into MMA and parkour and other similar sports.

>>51975703
Professional thief Mastigos perversely fascinated by the Abyss.

>>51975732
>parkour vampire with celerity
Are any of the kine safe from such a terror?

>mage supremacy

>>51975703
Moros detective with a hero complex that gets into conflict with other mages because he wants to protect sleepers instead of using them or ignoring them.

So are magefaggots the biggest faggots?

>>51975784
I built him to have all the mobility stuff that he can as a Neonate when I played him. So he had some of the mobility combo powers like Unnatural Grace so he can just 'nope' parkour start up a wall and then keep going, or fall from a high height without inflicting damage.

>>51975813
No, that'd be werefags

>>51975813
yes

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>>51975835

>>51975703
Gentleman Thief Mysterium Acanthus, who is by trade a concert violinist from a rural Kentucky family. He infiltrates private, rich peoples' lives to get magical items out of their private collections and punch Seers. He is also a practicioner of the Hoodoo Magical Tradition, and is the Seventh Son of a Seventh Son.

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>>51975813
>>51975835
Wrong, it's vampfags.

>>51975844
Sounds like a mary sue bitch

>>51975665
link? is it a podcast / live stream recording?

>>51975678
tell me more

Which Werewolf Tribe is the best at chimpingout?

>>51975852
I guess? All those things do is give him a LITTLE bit of a push on his Fate spells, not enough to do things that, y'know, most other Arcanum can do. He makes money, steals items and gets bitches. Not necessarily in that order.

>>51975862
Am I the only one who can't stand podcast actual plays? I tried to listen to one for the Boston campaign and another for a vampire campaign and they were both just excruciating.

DaveB has the right idea, sticking to paraphrased transcripts.

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>>51975900
>DaveB has the right idea.

DaveB always has the right idea.

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>>51975900
I agree. I tried looking for some shadowrun AP's aside from pic related and they're all podcasts. Fuck that I want something to read, I dont want to listen to a bunch of spastics.

>>51974079
I need you guy's help. All of my friends keep claiming that any old Arch mage can turn Caine into a lawn chairs. I know that shit is absolutely false. Caine is the most powerful being on the planet and is under God's protection. There is no way any kind of mage can do jack shit to Caine. Agree with me so I can show my friends how dumb they are.

>>51975871
fire touched or blood talons in Forsaken
get of fenris, wendigo in apocalypse

>>51975900
oh jesus fucking christ no, paragraph upon paragraph of text is just tedious and eyeburning on a computer screen or glossy phone/tablet. some people might have annoying tics or slightly annoying voices but at least it doesn't cause you physical pain to experience.

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>>51975959
It's time to stop.

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>>51975996

>>51975972
>oh jesus fucking christ no, paragraph upon paragraph of text is just tedious and eyeburning on a computer screen or glossy phone/tablet.

Literally never had this problem. Most of my books are on my tablet these days.

>>51975959
>shots been fired

inb4 saliva spewing archmagefag

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>>51975959
You are right anon despite what mage supremacy fags might say otherwise. Caine has the seven fold curse he is literally untouchable.
>>51975988
>>51975996
Fuck off idiots.

>>51975972
Do you have sensitive retinas or something?

>>51976032
>>51975959
>Vampirism
>Seven-fold curse
>Divine blessings

>Archmage uses Prime 6
>No more curses or blessings
>No more Disciplines for Caine

>>51976045
no idea, but after an hour or so of reading off a screen that's black text on white or light blue on a bright and glossy screen my eyes start to burn and my vision gets blurry

Yes. Let's all start the Caine vs Archmage argument again.

It's not like we haven't all already come to a generalized consensus as to whom would win such an encounter.

>Caine vs Archmage
>Archmage wins
>God is angry
>God vs Archmage
>Outcome uncertain

Unless the authors themselves step down, we have absolutely no way of knowing who would win.
It's the same with having the Triat fight God. Both are supreme in their respective settings, as are the Archmages/Oracles and the extradimensional consciousness (post-ascension) in Ascension.

I have a hate-love relationship with this thread.

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>>51975703
M:tAsc

A university student and army veteran studying post Roman Europe. While in the special collections section, he stumbled onto the totem of one of his older incarnations, a Saxon Shaman, and awoke as fragmentary memories were returned to him. Now, he works to reconstruct ancient magical practices from fragmentary sources while supplementing ancient magics with modern firepower.

>Pop pop pop watchin' MiBs drop.
>BRYNJE!

>>51976069
>staring at a screen for an hour
Found your problem, my dude.

>>51976069
Yeah somethings up with your eyes.

>>51976068
Bullshit Arch mage magic has no effect on Caine. It's like trying to blow a mountain down with a hair dryer
>>51976108
No mage supremacist fags came up with that blatantly false consensus.

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>>51976253
You're under arrest for disturbing the peace!

Cease the shitposting and put your hands in the a-

OH SHIT HE'S GOT A GUN!

>>51976253
You're trying real hard to discredit game mechanics in favor of bias, vampfagger.
Bullshit or not, Masters of the Art is canon.

Arch-mages > Caine
Sorry

>>51976245
probably, i do wear glasses
but even if there wasn't anything wrong text games would still be tedious as all fuck, you'd miss out on the nuance of players totally fucking up, tone of voice, genuine surprise, innuendo, sarcasm...

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>>51976343

>Bullshit or not, M20 is canon

I hate all of you

>>51976355
That's your opinion, anon. I have no problem supplying all the nuance myself, like all people who read books or play text-based rpgs do as a matter of course. I prefer it heavily to listening to people start and stop with um's and uh's and breaking character to ask some quick questions with their flat, weird normal people voices.

Text based rpgs do a much better job of immersing you, in my opinion. Audio ones constantly remind you that you're listening to other dorks play a game.

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>>51976314
>>51976343
What part of YOU LOSE don't you idiots understand?

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>>51976506
That's outdated

>>51975703
A black nationalist orphan [or Hermetic] who uses egyptian magic to fly and give white people skin cancer and all that other stupid shit that Kangs believe.

>>51976506
I remember there being a more detailed Caine character sheet. Was that just fan-made? He had something like 60 hobby merits maxed out, which I thought was funny.

Guy cursed by God, whiles away eternity by collecting stamps and building matchstick houses.

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>when vampfags think a joke sheet has any relevance
>when vampfags forget joke sheet isn't even canon and entirely fan-made
>when vampfags believe something terrestrial equates to something universal

>>51976468
Not to mention that the audio quality usually blows.

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>>51976506
Asterisks are usually used to indicate an addition or exception.

The asterisk in "fucking" is referring to archmagi

>>51976506
That sheet has never actually meant anything.

>>51976527
Saving this.

>>51976575
Vampfags just don't seem to like the idea of an old bearded man kicking Caine's ass into oblivion.

Not that Caine doesn't have an awesome beard.

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>>51976544
Are you white IRL? Because that's good satire.

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>>51976551
I dunno, I made this.

>>51976559
>When magefags think that something universal equates to something ineffable.

The question has never been if Caine can take an Archmage. The question is whether an Archmage can take God.

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>>51976600

>>51976600
>73 hobby talents at 10
That's the one.

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Well looks like another thread gone to shit due to mage supremacy fags hubris seeya next time

>>51976616
No, I really did make it, though. Not sure how I can prove it, though.

>>51976596
I would play it completely straight and seriously, and he would use every single bit of Black Utopian mythos, from Black Hebrews to Black Egyptians to Yakob myths and beyond.

>>51976468
>>51976567
I like listening to dorks play a game, because given the opportunity I'd be right there with them, dorkin' it up, forgettin' how to roll a foot chase or initiative. as for starts and stops they can add gravity to surprises and hard choices, though I do agree that um's and uh's can get a bit eh to listen to when the players get together to bring their characters to life it adds more than using imagination to guess at how something should be read.

sometimes, audio quality doesn't suck too

>>51976633
The magefags are hardly at fault here.

The vampfags just can't handle the truth of things.

>>51976600
I bet Caine played 40k at one point or another.

>>51976708
I bet Caine went to Woodstock

>>51976747
You think he fed off Hendrix? That would have been a hell of a trip

>>51976768
>Hendrix od'd on Caine's vitae

>>51975703
Trujah Jewel Thief. Dont give two shits about the "the fake assholes who took our lineage" her sire insists they sabotage. She just wants money to buy the finer things in life

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>>51976782
>Caine killed Jim Morrison
>Caine killed Gary Thain
>Caine killed Elvis
>Caine killed John Bonham
>Caine killed Jonathan Melvoin
>Caine killed Layne Staley
>Caine killed Mike Starr
>Caine killed John Entwhistle

>>51976860
>Caine killed the radio star

>>51976883
HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

>>51976068
Caine is cursed by the LITERAL GOD of judeac christian lore. Your magic means dick in this scenario it doesnt matter what you think your spheres can do.

Also casual reminder tremere was jealous of vampire immortality so he and all his buddies gave up there spheres.

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Can you have sex in war form without rageing out? I'm worried for my virgin Thyrsus girlfriend if I can be gentle with her.

>>51976913
Source? For scientific purposes.

>>51974377
The Wizards did it

>>51976913
>Thyrsus
She'll survive
>virgin
Doesn't exist

>>51976684
all that said
>I will never get to join my niggas on the Siskur-Dah against an overgrown decay spirit
>never get blasted on by some foo's with silver loaded mac-10's
>never get to plow that rachet ho Tanisha
>or text the picture of her taking the knot to her Pure exbf

>>51976912

That's some nice fanfiction there, faggo.

>>51976912
Sorry nope. Been done to death.
Caine gets buttfucked by an Archmage.

Then the Archmage turns god into his personal waifu bitch. Done deal as God is already a woman and loves the mage penis.

>>51976912
Caine was cursed by a character inspired by the judeo-christian god. I also don't recall this character granting Caine immunity to magic.

As for Tremere, dude was an idiot. He wanted all the pros of vampirism with none of the cons, and he fucked it up horribly. They didn't willingly give up the spheres for a shitty half-existence. They're a prime example of what happens when mages get full of themselves.

>>51976913
>Apocalypse
yes
>Forsaken
also yes, but you need the Father's Form gift or what ever it's called unless you want to be known as hare-trigger among your pack mates

>>51976974
Read the books, kid.

>>51976922
Wolf Children Ame and Yuki

>>51976997
>Read the books

Don't twist your shortcomings over to me now, kiddo.

>>51975703
Young radio-station intern and conspiracy theorist obsessed with aliens, UFOs, and government cover-ups. Believes vampires, werewolves, etc are all government-sourced BS to distract people from "the truth".
The other mages are ...bemused. Especially since he's an Obrimos.

>>51976989
>>51976989
>inspired.
You mean the actual GOD.
Caine.
Son of Adam.
Brother of Abel
The first murderer.

I read the books. Literally nothing "inspired by" when they say god they meam GOD

Vampfags be trolling

No one is dumb enough to label Caine as an Archmage's equal.

But then again, Vampfags are just THAT biased and stupid, with perhaps a dash of autism.

I would prefer sweaty neckbeard magefags over fat goth chick vampfags any day of the week.
Furry werefags are not much better either.

>>51977015
Read the books, kid

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>>51977065

Spotted the Christian

>>51977088
The irony is strong with this one

>>51977065
It's a piece of fiction. Every character depicted within is just that, a character. And yes, it is "inspired by", in this case. Or have you forgotten that biblical Caine wasn't actually a vampire and that those characters share a universe with beings and aspects that don't line up with the irl bible?

It's fiction, full of made-up characters. The irl bible is not 100% canon to the WoD. Get over it.

>>51977062
You copied all of that from the Banisher book

>>51975703
Malkavian that thinks he exists within a video game so treats everything as such. Every time he "checks his quest journal" or "pauses the game" he actually becomes catatonic.

Not that it matters since am perma GMing and my group thinks vampires are gay.

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What's the best class to play a pacifist character but guardian who is connected to her body attack against her eill

>>51976575

WTF is it with mages and pointy hats and beards?

I think if you Awaken, see through the Lie of the universe and command cosmic, reality-bending power, you sure as hell can shave and wear a hat that doesn't get knocked off every time you walk through a doorway.

>#DumbMageStereotypes

>>51977196

Deviant

>>51977195
>in the middle of a really stressful fight
>"shit better save"
>collapse to the fucking ground

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>>51977216
>Medieval settings
>Modern settings
>Must be the same thing
You're fucking retarded, mate.

Beards also never lost their style.

>>51977237
>Malk tries to abuse quicksave/quickload
>just flops around like a fucking retard

>archmage supremacy

>>51977274
>goes into a store
>buys clothes right at the counter
>stops
>strips entirely naked and puts them on right then and there

>>51977237
>>51977274
Exactly what I had in mind, but toned down a bit so it's not annoying.

>>51975959
>>51976032
>>51976253
>>51976506
>>51976912

How are Archmages not the strongest things playable in the oWoD? I don't care if you somehow manage to diablerize Caine, gaining access to all his various plot-device shenanigans, the Archspheres will always triumph over what he can muster.

>>51977258

That guy is quite evidently a Thyrsus Master.

>>51977408
>That guy is quite evidently a Thyrsus Master.

I don't know, he looks pretty Moros-y to me.

Definitely not an Obrimos.

>>51977436
>Moros

Yeah, I can see that.

>>51977408
>>51977436
>>51977449
He's obviously an aged Acanthus.

You can see that devilish grin underneath his beard.

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Can love blossom between a magefag and a werefag?

>>51977083
>No one is dumb enough to label Caine as an Archmage's equal.

Magefags, on the other hand, are dumb enough to think that people are actually saying that, when time and again, Vampire fans have stressed that no we're not.

The thing is that if you have Caine, you also have the Judeo-Christian God, or at least a close facsimile, which even Mage puts at the absolute highest tier of power in M20.

The reason why an Archmage has trouble with Caine has nothing to do with Caine himself. It's the issue that God Himself has said that he has Caine's back if anyone tries to hurt him.

Magefags have at best tried to claim that God is just a very powerful Archmage. Well, fair enough: then God is a very powerful Archmage. What Archmage wants to fuck with another Archmage, who is powerful and ancient enough to be behind every single monotheistic myth?

>>51977391
>How are Archmages not the strongest things playable in the oWoD?
>playable

To be honest, I question this, by virtue of the fact that it doesn't seem fun at all to play as one, and as such I question whether or not anyone actually would.

An archmage is playable in the abstract, but who'd want to actually be running one in real life?

>>51977527
Of course.
Through mutual dislike for vampfags

>>51977391
>Plot device
The Archspheres are even bigger plot devices than 10 dot Disciplines.
They even have far better feats to go by.

>>51977546

Enough. This is fucking ridiculous and outright nonsensical.

See >>51976108 for your answer.

>>51976108 >>51977584
Yeah, but God is supreme in TWO settings. Vampire and Demon.

Everyone else is supreme in just one.

>>51977598

if god is supreme then how did lucifer escape

>>51977546
>which even Mage puts at the absolute highest tier of power in M20

The ascended "Godhead" that mages unite with upon actual ascension, might not actually be the same being that cursed Caine, if we go by previously published material. It might be something on an entirely different scale.

>>51977610
All according to keikaku my friend.

>>51977546
Vampfags have totally been wanking Caine just as hard as Magefags have been wanking Archmasters. You apparently haven't been here for all the mindless repetitions of "YOU FUCKING LOSE" and those vampfags that argued that Caine can make up what Disciplines he wants and have total mastery of them, essentially making him a god unto himself. There were other, more mindless arguments, like how Antediluvians and Caine could possibly remove sunlight and their thirst for blood with Disciplines as well.

Don't try to rationalize one side when they're both fucking stupid.

>>51977598

Again. It's like trying to start a Triat x God double-decker boxing match. It's just not going to work.

Trying to enforce Judeo-Christian supremacy on Apocalypse is not going to end well. The same goes for Ascension when all religions and beliefs are just constructs to work by.

I'm honestly amazed by the select few Anons that believe Caine actually has a shot against an Arete 9-10 Archmage / Exemplar / Oracle.

Prime 6 can already remove Vampirism and God-driven curses / blessings, effectively deleting all access to the Disciplines and Caine's seven-fold shield / curse, which is nowhere near as powerful as people seem to think it is.

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>mfw I was able to derail an entire thread with a single shitpost.

>>51977610
Deus vult.

>>51977611
Or, it might be God. Given that Vampire is the best-selling WoD brand, I'mma give it highest priority and presume that God is real, and he's the Godhead of Mage.

>>51977633
Well, Caine CAN make up Disciplines on the spot, or at least it is theorized that he can.

And Antediluvians with Fortitude 10 actually can tank sunlight. Zapathasura did. It took 3 Technocracy satellites focusing the sunlight into many thousands of times its normal intensity to kill him (while he was starving, after having fought 3 demigods for 3 days straight and had just tanked 2 nukes to the face on both the physical and spiritual planes).

Normal sunlight? Didn't even phase Zapathasura, even in his weakened state. I doubt the Technocracy's satellite trick would have worked without the leadup, too.

And Zapathasura is in the lower tier of the Antediluvians. Only Tremere and Giovanni are weaker. He had nothing on, say, Absmiliard, or Tzimisce. And Caine was two steps beyond THEM.

Which is not to say that Caine could take an Archmage (without God's help)...but I pity anything lesser than an Archmage who thinks that he can do anything to Caine.

>>51977698
>Prime 6 can already remove Vampirism and God-driven curses / blessings

I refuse to believe that it can do so without allowing some kind of check to resist it. And with stats of 10 in everything (by virtue of WW's own rules for making ancient vampires as outlined in Children of the Night), Caine can probably resist anything.

>>51977698

*sigh* Again, please review >>51976108

A sufficiently powerful Archmage will annihilate Caine, yes, but then it turns into something far more blurred and nonsensical.

They win the battle against the first-and-strongest vampire known to human history, but they then pile unto something that is entirely senseless and without a definitive conclusion.

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Is there a worst general on /tg/?

>>51977788
Yeah, it's Jumpchain.

>>51977788
Pathfinder

>>51977716
>Or, it might be God.
Or, it might not be God. It's entirely up to the ST, my friend.

>That time when the Ravnos Antediluvian, one of the progenitors of Fortitude, got nuked by 5 dot Spheres and killed by even lower effects as an afterthought
I was never once impressed with Zapathasura, sorry. It's one of the many reasons why I absolutely loath the Week of Nightmares

>And Caine was two steps beyond THEM
Technically, the Antediluvians equal Caine in their area of speciality. Caine's forte is his blood and extensive Disciplines, which he may or may not be able to improvise reliably.

>>51977734
>I refuse to believe
That's all I needed to read. It's not like this wasn't always the case with True Magick. If the Technocracy could take down Ravnos without Archmagic, weakened or not, I highly doubt Caine would be able to resist, even if he did so a bit better than the crispy (and quite dead) gypsy.

>>51977716

Holy fucking assumptions.

The vampfags are desperately clinging onto their precious Caine/Antediluvians.

So in awakening 2e the eleventh question legacy makes a big deal about how since its been opened to other orders now the guardians dont trust them anymore.

How would you represent that in the status merit for a guardian eleventh question member? keep it at 1?

This thread is revolting.

>>51977879
Eh, suggest to the guy that he keeps his Order Status low.
Or if he wants to increase it, suggest that he should have to prove himself trustworthy.

Needless mechanical restrictions are retarded.

>>51977716
>Half fanfiction
>Half exaggeration

I love Masquerade players so much.

>>51977734
>Caine can probably resist anything

Even more fanfiction. I can only see him doing that via plot-device powers, yet the Arch Spheres still have better feats, and their own plot-device status.

Plot-device + better feats > Plot-device + lesser feats

>>51977923
Yeah thats probably a good idea. Thanks.

>>51977744

The fat goth chicks refuse to concede to the obvious fact that Caine is fucking shit when compared to beings practically on the level of Classic Doctor Strange.

>>51977716
>ramblings about how Caine actually can do all of those things
Way to miss the point by a country mile.

Archmasters can do all the shit Magefags say they can, does it make it any less obnoxious when they rub it in your face?

No. Although at least they have solid, if flawed, sources.

>>51977548
Normally I assume that all werewolf players are sexual deviants but this guy seems pretty sweet

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>>51977991
>flawed

Not their fault that the writers fucked up.
Masters of the Art is canon, but when combined with other present material it's broken as all hell.

Imperial Mysteries, on the other hand, is far from flawed.

>>51978017
>when combined with other present material it's broken as all hell
Well yeah, like the previous bubble gum example posted a couple threads down.

You could, by RAW (via Charm mechanics found in Forged by Dragon's Fire), blow up the universe by chewing candy. In this case, blowing a luscious pink bubble and popping it.

Mind you, not all Wonders are broken. Just Artifacts (which only requires a single success, no matter what) and Charms.

>>51978017
>Imperial Mysteries, on the other hand, is far from flawed.

It's books like IM that ensured DaveB became developer of Mage 2e.

Quite a while ago, Dave mentioned that he mostly formulated an update for the applicable parts of IM from 1e to 2e. I would gladly pay for such material, even if it was only a small PDF-only supplement.

I bet if Mage 2e had a Kickstarter, there would have been a lot more promised 2e material, and much of it would have already been released.

...
Oh sweet merciful Christ.
If an Archmaster goes Mad then they can potentially cast a specific Imperial Practice with any Arcanum.

>>51978161

>DaveB supremacy

>>51978186
>DaveB supremacy

Dave's definitely a fan favorite developer, but we are a fickle and demanding group.

Deviant, as a totally new spalt, will really be a test of Dave's developer skills. It might be fantastic, or it could be the next Beast.

>#WhatHaveYouDoneForMeLately

>>51978238
What's the premise for Deviant?

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>>51978248

AKIRAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>51978170

Imperial spells still require Quintessences each time they are cast. It's a major limitation on the use of such spells.

However, archmasters can always use Imperial Factors when casting, and along with their huge dice pools and other abilities, make them crazy scary even without resort to level 6+ Arcana.

>>51978252
You're overestimating my power level.

>>51978248
>What's the premise for Deviant?

http://theonyxpath.com/category/worlds/chroniclesofdarkness/deviantherenegades/

>>51978252
>AKIRAAAAAAAAAAAA

Or Scanners, Guyer, etc.

>>51978260
Well of course.
However the ability to cast an Imperial Practice with any Arcanum is an insane prospect.

Imagine the Practice of Entities, combining Fate, Time, Death, and Matter.

>>51978276
That doesn't sound particularly interesting. Too vague.

>>51978260
>Quintessence

One of the reasons why Imperial Mysteries is a better system. It takes a long time to acquire such resources (Even though the effects are quire permanent, barring Dynamics) and is always cast as a ritual.

Ascension Archmasters could do their shit at the snap of their fingers, if they planned a accordingly beforehand.

Of course, 10 dot Assumption grants permanent Transfiguration, effectively erasing the need for Quintessence and the capability to do whatever you want (with your specific Arcana, of course) at the snap of a finger, no more rituals needed.

The only thing limiting them is sensory range.

>>51978318
You can cast sensory spells through a scrying portal, can't you?

>>51978318
>Imperial spell always cast as a ritual.

I'm not sure that would still be true in 2e with the new Reach system.

Imperial spells still would never be rotes or praxes

>>51978351
This is true. I'm not so sure how things would work in a 2e update.

Extended rituals was kind of a big deal before the revamp.

These threads might as well be renamed /MtA/

>>51978318
Assumption is 9. 10 is you Ascend Congratulations

>>51978434
No. Transfiguration is 9.

Go back and re-read page pg - 39

>>51978318
>10 dot Assumption grants permanent Transfiguration
Getting the 10th dot in an Arcanum is Ascension, hombre.

>>51978337
Nope, that's explicitly disallowed.

>>51978464
Explicitly disallowed in general, or for Imperial Practices?

Because if it's in general I've been doing some things wrong.

>>51978464
It's explicitly stated that you don't need to use it for Ascension.

Read pages 68 - 69

>>51978464
Page 69
>"Theoretically, it is possible to use the Assumption spell for a purpose other than Ascension, but the effects are as legendary as the concept of Assumption Ascension itself."

>>51978491
In general
"Casting spells on subjects the mage can see through the window counts as viewing them remotely."

Page 175, Scrying spell
Remote casting means sympathetic casting.

>>51978503
Just because there are more ways to Ascend than getting an Arcanum at 10 doesn't mean that's not Ascension. It's just not ALL Ascension.

>>51978537
>It's just not ALL Ascension
I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. We're on completely separate pages here.

>>51978392
>These threads might as well be renamed /MtA/ /Knots/ or /Cainewanking/

>>51978537
>Page 175, Scrying spell
>Remote casting means sympathetic casting.
They are different.
Remote Casting just costs an extra Reach.
Sympathetic casting costs a Mana (no extra Reach beyond sensory range casting) and requires use of the sympathetic casting Attainment.

DaveB, if you're still around, would it be possible for a mage to have 2 shadow names (and the merit for each of them) ?
Maybe a third merit to allow him to do that or a temporary Space spell?

How much Space would it be required to alter a Shadow Name and/or confer an additional one? Making? Dominions? Entities?

Talking about Space, if I wanted to cross to another dimension (earth-1 to earth-2), do I need Time as well? What level spell would this be?

Thanks!

>>51978592
>Trying to summon the Ochemata of Dave Brookshaw, real life Exarch of Komodo Dragons

Good luck with that.

>>51978592
>Space would it be required to alter a Shadow Name

A mage can change his shadow name whenever he wants. However, for purposes of the merit, he would need to invest significant time and attention into harmonizing his magical self with the new name in order to reap the benefits.

>>51977546

How dare you bring reason and logic into this snowflake powerwanking thread. Get ye to a nunnery!

>>51977836
>I was never once impressed with Zapathasura, sorry. It's one of the many reasons why I absolutely loath the Week of Nightmares
>implying you have to be impressed for something to be canon.

>That's all I needed to read

So... canon isn't impressive to you, thus not something you find convincing, but someone else doing something similar is reason to discard their opinion. Okay bro. Different anon here, but that's hilarious.

>>51978861

What are you even arguing?

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How rare is it for Tzimisce to embrace someone outside of their ghoul families?

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>obese goth player of vamp
>trying to power game with mages
>literally shove a chop stick in their chest and they can't move
>vampfag goes on tirade about how he needs girth to his wood
>everyone agrees
>he thought we were talking about the stake
>he dies anyway and we get to rip up his char sheet in front of him

>>51978924
More common than not. Dabbling with the ghoul families is more of an elitist thing, and even those who do it are likely looking out for talented individuals who fit their ideals, no matter what background they might have.

Most Sabbat is still glorified rabble, Tzimisce included, and their rules aren't as strict about embracing new vampires. They might be picky, but when they find someone who is Tzimisce-material in their own personal opinion they are likely to embrace him.

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>>51976989
>judeo

You mean the Muslim-Christian God

There is no bond with the OT anymore.

>>51979004

The Tzimisce in question is independent, and no one can tell on sight he's a Tzimisce, since he's not into the whole monstrous appearance.

>archmage supremacy

>>51974079
So check this out. Last weekend my friends came over and spotted my VtM book on the table and inquired about it. Note that neither of them have played a tabletop RPG before. I gave them a brief explanation of what it was and while I was making dinner for them (I am an awesome host) they read through it a bit. The following weekend we are watching anime and hanging out and drinking a little, and one of them asks if they could roll a Vampire and play the game. I spent 20 minutes throwing together a few NPCs and a basic plot, and then helped them with character creation. We played a session on the fly packed with roleplaying and some combat and they really got into it.....

I haven't played VtM in years and I have *never* run a game until now. But they are both stoked and I am writing up NPCs but I don't have a plot for them or any hooks or anything even! I want to continue to make this experience positive for them.....suggestions? Adventure hooks?

>>51979048
How closely do you want to follow the meta-plot?

>>51979172
Fuck off Abel
Aren't you supposed to dead?

>>51979011
>it is YOU who truly lives in the basement of YOUR parent, the Demiurge
Savage

>>51979194
Meh i was messeing with that cain poster a day or two ago
Question still stands i usally have an older vampire in town looking for some thing ( marconius looking for some ancient tome he doesn't feel comfortable any one else getting) and the current prince having a nervous break down hes about to get the boot

What's a good city to run a Sabbat game in? My players were interested in New Orleans, though I know that that is a Cammy city. I'm planning for the players to start as Shovelheads, so a city with conflict is good.

I'm running pre1999, because I want the Tremere antitrubu to be around and not have Gehenna around the corner.

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>>51975703
Firey southern preacher turned vampire hunter turned mage

>>51979172
I mean I want it to be fun for them and have a 50/50 balance of roleplay and rollplay

*cricket noises*

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>>51979674

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>>51979674
Interest will revitalize, like an elder from Torpor.

And when it does, hopefully somebody will help with my Sabbat question>>51979269

thinkin New York being retaken, or maybe New Orleans under siege, since they both have city books, I think, but honestly I dunno. Especially since I'm going for pre1999, and most books seem set after that.

>>51975703
Swedish fighter pilot, who chased ufo into stormcloud, lost his aircraft and killed fucking flying saucer during his awakening trip. No longer valid for military service due to "psychologic anomaly" he is now traveling to get into every natural disaster possible.

>>51979714

How can you not love Malkavians

>>51979787
The Bloodlines Malk comes close to being a fishmalk, but pulls it off by being creepy, acting reasonably, and having genuinely clever insights. Cut those out, and you would have a typical fishmalk- random and stupid. Proper malkavians are otherwise normal vampires with nasty derangements- not a giggling retard slapping someone with a fish because "lol so cur-azy:)!"

>>51979835
Note- playing Bloodline Malk right now- the patch plus adds some great elements- creepy whispers and all the power lines twist like serpents in an invisible breeze- genuinely disturbing. I think I get whispers from specific characters when I'm around them- which is good because the generic ones have begun repeating.

Bloodlines Malk is good, but on the tabletop he'd need a great player or it'd be awful.

>>51975703
Demon Destroyer based on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sskFjbHu_W0

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I really wish that playing as a Nossie in the game would let you use Mask of a Thousand Faces.

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Have the archmagefags left the building?

Just finished the Mage Prelude, it's alright, miles better than the shitstorm that was "We eat vegan and all our friends are unemployed".

>>51978276
>>51978252
>>51978276
That's a really open premise, perhaps almost too open to be considered a unique Splat. If a Promethean got created by a cult and subsequently escaped, would they count as a Deviant? How about a Werewolf, or a Vampire, or a Slasher, or...

Does anybody have the writefaggotery about a Nephandi ? The one where an Anon added a post to turn it into a Paladin. I'm looking in the archives, but no luck so far.

>>51979952

Agreed. A shame it was so short, with so little replayability.

>>51979945

We aren't that lucky. It won't happen until either new [other splats] start having releases, or all the old and news flood in at an announcement or teaser for Bloodlines 2.

>>51979835
I really like Jeanette/Therese as a Malkavian.

Bloodlines was my first experience with Vampire, so the split personality revelation really caught me off guard, even though it was pretty obvious in retrospect.

I knew Jeanette was a Malk, but I assumed Therese was a Ventrue. I didn't put much thought into it.

>>51980037
Yeah. I'm more fond of Gout myself- his insanity is pretty subtle until Lacroix's treachery throws him off the cliff- but the sisters of Janus are also excellent. Neither are entirely stable- but the instability exists only in their interactions with other- otherwise either could pass for a Brujah or Ventrue respectively.

It's a good portrayal- better than the PC Malk honestly, despite my love of him.

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>>51980037
>>51980119

I like Jeanette, but I have to be honest, in [current year] if someone pitched me the character concept of 'was raped so hard by her dad that she developed a split personality' and 'slutty bimbo and frigid conservative' are those personalities, I would find myself thinking it was more than a little edgy for edges sake.

I just wish we knew more about Damsel.

>>51980119
>you dancing fool!

Myself I never liked Malkavians as I do think madness shouls be larger part of vampire(both new and old) but this is just a personal preference

>>51980119
I liked Gout too. Listening to his audio diaries was neat, and probably the best part of a quest I wasn't too fond of.

>>51980159
Presentation and handling counts for a lot.

>>51980005
It was Paladin The Redemption, but it's the initial story that's good.

>>51979755
Maybe Los Angeles? It was quite a mess between the anarchs and the Kuei-Jin, so the Sabbat could try to take the city before the Camarilla moves in.

>>51980482
What about Vegas?

>>51980543
It's a pretty solid Camarilla city, but it could be fun. There was some fiction in the guide to the Sabbat about some infiltrators there.

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>>51980482
That could work. I sorta wanted them fighting the Camarilla, but that could be pt.2- instead it could start off dealing with the awfulness of the Kuei-Jin mixed in with some Anarch being ineffectual. I want the first segment to really hammer in the Sabbat as being valid- my original plan was to throw them against an Elder (along with a ton of other shovelheads, several of which would be player made backup characters in case their first characters bite it) who'd deal inhuman destruction before going down, really hammer in the idea of Elders as being awful and deadly pawns of the antediluvians. But if I show the scattered nature of the Anarchs in contrast to the loyalty of the Sabbat (and the general awfulness of the Kuei-Jin)- it could work...

>>51980543
I've no clue about Vegas. What is it like?

>>51978238
The premise on deviant alone has ne interested

>>51980562
Honestly, the premise sounds flimsy to me. It essentially boils down to "you're an experiment on the run". Granted, I haven't read much more than that one summary, but it strikes me as being simultaneously vague and somewhat specific.

>>51978605
(farting noise)

>>51978592
>DaveB, if you're still around, would it be possible for a mage to have 2 shadow names?

Yeah, just buy the Merit multiple times

> How much Space would it be required to alter a Shadow Name and/or confer an additional one? Making? Dominions? Entities?

Wouldn't say Space. A Shadow Name's just something you call yourself - the Merit represents it starting to resonante Supernally over time, such that you can use it as a Yantra. I would say Prime. Possibly archmaster-y.

>Talking about Space, if I wanted to cross to another dimension (earth-1 to earth-2), do I need Time as well? What level spell would this be?

Like, alternate timeline dimensional travel? Find an Iris, or have Time 7 to make one.

>>51978337

Yes. In fact, you have to, because you can't as shit touch someone through a scrying window.

So - "counts as remote casting" does not mean "counts as using sympathetic range", though the two often go together. It means that you're casting on something you can't see in real time in front of you, which costs an extra Reach. Using a scrying window is no different to casting on someone you can see over CCTV.

Check pg 114

>>51980738
Hey, since you're a developer, can you weigh in on a good city of a Sabbat game? I've gotten good suggestions but more are always good.

>>51980738
Dave, when Archmage rewrites time with Imperial Rite, does he exist in this time backwards? Shouldn't his personality change after each one?

>>51980780
It's going on for 18 years since I last opened a Masquerade book. No idea.

>>51980865
Will you ever revamp astral realms it doesn't need much but the spellcasting is a bit outdated.

>>51980865
well that's fair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UMf8SgSH5A

>the arguing in the comments

Love it

>>51981002
Are her fangs off, or am I a freak who has another tooth between each of his incisors and his front teeth?

>>51981023

Her fangs are off.

If you're talking about the thumbnail preview picture.

>>51981023
No, there's a tooth between the incisors (front teeth) and canines (long teeth)

>>51981038
I am.

>>51981043
Oh, I thought incisors were canines.

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does /wodg/ agrees?

>>51981125

No.

Kill yourself.

In Demon Descent, if I have two covers, a business owner and a mail man. When I'm using one, what happens to the other ones life? If I'm currently using the business man do the people who the mailman delivers mail too not get their mail for a few days? If I'm the mailman do the employees of the business wonder were their boss is? Or is it when I'm not using the business man, the business doesn't exist, and neither do any of the employees? Or does the business exist, and the employees all work there, but no one notices that the boss is gone? In that case what if someone asks to see the boss?

Sorry if this kind thing is explained in the book, but the actual intricacies of how demon cover works I find a bit confusing.

>>51979835
The giggling retard stereotype's in the setting, it's as lore as their image of themselves as conduits for divine madness. Proper Malkavian is being conscious of it, exploiting it, and having complete contempt for it and everybody buying it.

>>51979945
Leave newfag or ill shank you into torpor with a popsicle

>>51980865
Why did you make promethean to be so shitty?

>>51981125
Refugee was bad, We Eat Blood and All Our Friends Are Dead was unplayable.

>>51981125
You've inverted the order.

>>51981297
We Eat Blood is inaccurate too. Vamps drink blood, only one bloodline eats it.

>>51981380

No see, that's the edgy way of saying it, because we need a title that has pssssssh.

Dave, any suggestions/ideas about the Magical community in Russia, Moscow specifically?

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>>51981532

>pssssssh

Never forget:

>"I once saw him looking over the shoulder of a programmer at some bit of User Interface the poor guy had hacked together. He straightened up, put fingers to lips and said, ‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’ He hissed on his fucking fingertips, like the air coming out of a bicycle tire, and then just walked away.”

>>51981169
When you're not in a Cover, they don't exist. People they know will miss them, their house will be empty, and you'll eventually get a Compromise for that Cover.

The Mailman's route might get covered by a co-worker, but his boss and co-workers will still wonder where he is, unless you switch to him for a few minutes to call in sick.
Same goes for the business man; people will wonder where you are, but as a boss, you'll probably get a bit of leeway(assuming you're a CEO or something like that).

In requiem, can a vampire permantly loose a limb?

>>51981807
I would argue no, but Id say thats up in to nature of how the limb was lost, and the story teller

>>51981281
>promethean
>shitty
Yeah, bro your full of shit

>>51981991
Limb turn into stone and then shattered

>>51981807
I'd say no. Don't vampires revert back to the way they were in the moment they were Embraced, every night they wake up? Or is that only in Masquerade?

>>51980779
space2 scrying = CCTV

Interesting implications. So to cast a spell through a CCTV footage, assuming real time, one reach for sensory casting, one reach for casting to cast on a subject she is viewing remotely.

You can cast at range with +2reach or with a sympathetic yantra. the only problem is location of the CCTV cameras

>>51981807
heal it like agg damage. unless it's some crazy mythical magical bullshit

>>51982446
They revert back yes. But you can change stuff like piercing, tats and hair with a willpower point

>>51976527
>Your
Please use a Mind spell to raise your academics so you can learn some fucking grammar.

>>51981281
I'm sorry my four pages in Promethean's entire gameline ruined it for you! Who knew they were such a fulcrum?

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So what are the more popular or more commonly known origin myths for vampires in Requiem?

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So i have weird question guys.

How do you deal with modern times in modern nights?

Back in the 00' and later even when Requiem was brand new it was kind of neat to put Vampire in current timeline.

Now with all these modern shit we have, jewbooks, drones, modern electronics and completely new internet culture more an more its starts to resemble fucking Shadowrun.
Just add Orcs, and god damn me i did that to once with the Changeling. So my question is do you also struggle with it, any tips?

>inb4 shitty GM

I fucking know, thats why im asking for help.

Dave, have you written something for every nWOD / CofD gameline?

>>51982612
-The Strix creating the clans like they did with the Julii;
-If you consider the theory that nWoD is the sequel to oWoD, Caine somehow surviving the reboot of the universe, at least as a concept, and then spreading the curse by proxy;
-One or more (G)god(s) cursing or blessing individuals to become vampires, like what may have happened with Longinus, Dracula and quite a few other less important vampires;
-Random supernatural creatures following a convergent path of evolution.

>>51982713
Everything except for Hunter, which means I'm either one up on Matt McFarland or joint most-games-written-for with him. (We did count gamelines last time I saw him, but that was a while ago.)

Hey Dave, my group and I are really enjoying Mage 2E.

I was wondering if there are any plans down the line to flesh out the locales listed in the Mysterious Places chapter. My current game is set in Tokyo and I'd love it if there were more named NPCs, specific artifacts, etc. on the horizon.

>>51982729

What are the Strix though? Or rather, what are the theories on their origins?

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>>51983302
Owls. They're owls.

They're not remotely spooky as a result. Because they're fucking owls. Which have nothing to do with vampires at all.

If ever there was a mistake made when developing a world's lore, it was the Strix.

>>51982712
Vampire Lost Vintage
Changeling Seeming Mask
Mage Curse of Quiescence
Werewolf Lunacy

Masquerade's a little harder to crack. but that just makes Hunters more dedicated and personal.

As far as running. think cold war, neo feudalism and gangland violence with some magical bullshit thrown in. Street and Local problems eclipse the problems plaguing the country.

>>51983340

>they're owls

What?

>>51983076
So i like mage 2e but what the fuck were you thinking when you added, exceptional successes return all mana and completely negate withstand? Especially with praxis. Like those two effects are leagues above every other effect and kind of shuts down high gameplay.

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>>51983076
Owls are pretty spooky

>>51983360
HOOT HOOT MOTHERFUCKER.

They're some kind of demons or avatars of the Beast or something, but they take the form of fucking owls.

OWLS.

HOOT.

HOOT.

We've somehow gone from the biggest thing vampires fear is their ancient, demigod ancestors waking up and killing them all...to instead freaking out every time a Tootsie Roll commercial comes on.

HOOT HOOT.

>>51983340
They work in Requiem for Rome though. Though personally I would have preferred the striges myth coming from the Julii having Dominate, Protean and Resilience and focusing their shape shifting into owls as well as wolves.

>>51975703
Two mages:

Technocrat: He straight up doesn't believe in magic. His power derives from complete faith in efficient bureaucracy. He doesn't perform "rituals," he files a form and the powers that be get shit done.

Mage: Power derives from poorly interpreting Wikipedia scientific and mathematical articles. He can teleport because he "knows" he can view the world as a set of disjoint human-sized spaces, and under the discrete metric all these spaces are separated by unit distance.

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>>51983413

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Such a lust for revenge
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>51983413

You are far too upset over owls.

>>51983416
>They work in Requiem for Rome though

Barely. Even the idea that the Romans found owls to be spooky is flawed. They may have, sometimes. But they were also associated with Minerva (or Athena, for the more shota inclined) and retained their association with wisdom that they have to this day.

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>>51975959
>I know that shit is absolutely false.
>There is no way any kind of mage can do jack shit to Caine.

A few threads ago we discussed this.

I have some news, by the way:
>even after I decided not to be an hero and just do that bloody Gehenna already
>still depressed
>no friends
>past still haunts me
>talked to Beckett (one of the Anons suggested this
>he didn't believe me, said that Caine is not real, it was just a metaphor
>so I asked another archmage to destroy the curse (or me, whatever)
>didn't even tell him that last time the archmage killed himself with his own spell
>but Anons said "the seven fold thing only protects Caine, not the mark itself"
>lol, let's try it
>archmage casts spell
>turns out the mark is also protected
>mage turns into dust
>fuck.stonetablet
>tfw can't get killed and alone again
>tfw browsing this general again, where Anons call me /r9Caine/

Just end me already.

P.S.: Next time you suggest me a way to remove the curse, think about all the dead archmages.

>>51982335
Id be willing to argue that some magic stuff keeps the arm from growing back

>>51982582
>oh look a typo, I can now ignore the guys statement entirely.

>>51977065
I thought God is a robot now

>>51983774
Wrong universe.

>>51983516

i played oWoD for years

but it just daunted on me

how do you combine Vampire and Hunter (Kain and 'God') and Mage/Warewolf (Triad) cosmology. I don't remember anymore and i never mixed both (besides some fights and encounters)

i don't remember

>>51983946

only if you do them separatly, lots a people do nWoD is a, oWoD squel

then yeah, God is a robot but as far as i remember nDemon is going into more Gnostic "God is dead, the one we see is a Demiurge" kind of thing

>>51983379
>hat the fuck were you thinking when you added, exceptional successes return all mana and completely negate withstand

An Exceptional Success can return all mana plus one, ignore Withstand OR other listed options. ES's don't provide all the bonuses, you need to pick one.

In any event, even with Praxes, you're unlikely to regularly get ES bonuses until you have a large dice pool from both high Gnosis and high Arcana ratings. Mages with both high Gnosis and Arcana are damn well supposed to friggin' terrifying, and the ES rule simply acts as to reinforce this circumstance.

>>51983076
>DaveB
>written for everything except for Hunter

Dave, have you been lobbying for a writing assignment on Hunter 2e?

>>51983340
>Owls. They're owls.

The Strix are not Owls.

They are smoky shadows from another dimension who may take the vague shape of owls.

If your character treats the Strix as glorified owls, he deserves whatever he gets, which will almost certainly be a painful death and a Strix wearing his carcass like a sweater.

>>51984044
Yes. All that does is make masters unplayable..

>>51984109
>All that does is make masters unplayable

How exactly does the ES rule make masters "unplayable," unless you foolishly define "unplayable" as high level mages are generally superior to most adversaries, particularly in crossover play.

>>51984100

You're not going to win this, people getting caught up on a surface level of a WoD/CofD villain is a White Wolf tradition.

>>51984072

I wonder if that one dude who claimed to be writing Cherion for Hunter 2e and expecting to have to pick up slack on all his incompetent co-workers was actually a Hunter 2e writer. They claimed to be writing long before first drafts were announced by Monica, but I can't remember if she was announcing that the first drafts were all in or if they were just getting started.

>>51982607
>DaveB burned

>>51983516
So have you talk with your Other brother lately?

>>51984177
I means all the opponents have to magically have a shielding spell for every arcana. It's unplayable because the only way to defend against other masters is to have the same arcana. There's nothing to do at that point. Either you steam roll or get steam rolled the only way to make a game work is to completely remove that power.or make powers where pretty much tantamount to removing it.

>>51982712
It's gotten easier to set things in the CURRENT YEAR. All those technological innovations are just improvements on existing tech, not major innovations. Sure, more people are getting LCD tans, but that just means they are paying less attention to the shadows. Head outside major cities or the 1st world and things haven't changed at all. When people turn their news sources into echo chambers, they become easier to manipulate and hide things from.
All the new tech you are worried about relies on electricity and signal strength. Cut one and people start to panic.

Remember, the World of Darkness is our world where the shadows are darker, longer and things go bump in the night. Think about how things could be much worse, and in the World of Darkness, they already are.

>>51984398

This.

>>51984398
>I means all the opponents have to magically have a shielding spell for every arcana.

Or, a modicum of proficiency in just Prime.

Also, relying on an ES is a risky endeavor. ES are hardly guaranteed, and a mage would need to limit spell factors in order to maximize their dice pool.

>>51984316
>So have you talk with your Other brother lately?

Wait a minute - WHAT?

>>51984669
It's 3 successes with a praxis. There is no risk. Just choose the most powerful spell. OR a 2-3 point spell like psychic domination that gives you 3-4 free reach.

>>51984693

Reach has nothing to do with whether you can garner an ES.

The spell will also have to be fairly limited as Spell Factors reduce the dice pools needed to obtain those extra successes.

Note also that you cannot combine a Praxis and Rote.

>>51984443

>Remember, the World of Darkness is our world where the shadows are darker...
I played WoD for years so no need to tell me what it is about.

>All the new tech you are worried about relies on electricity and signal strength
Don't get me wrong, the tech alone gives amazing possibilities. One of my players is a Model Instagram slash Cult Leader. So lot'sa playing field to turn that shit upsidedown into a very dark mirror of our world.
Its just not the same.
Fighting Uncertanity, Gender and Identity politics and Google,NSA and Jewbook overlords isn't really Gothic/Horror anymore.

>It's gotten easier to set things in the CURRENT YEAR.

...and that is what im trying to say, not for me, at least in my sessions the more tech oriented we are the more that mix of mysticism and technology starts to resemble Shadowrun and less Vampire.

I lost my edge and immersion and this is possible as i don't consider myself really good GM, or perhaps it its really a problem.

With nWoD it isn't that noticable but playing oWoD now is just kind of... weird.

>>51984742
For every dot past the necessary arcana you get one additional free reach. You gain one at start meaning you just cast a praxis unmaking spell hit three successes and viola enemy gone unless they have an extra shielding spell that can't be bypassed.

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>anon still hasnt posted the link to to the WtF Detroit game

>>51984780

Reach does nothing to increase or decrease a pc's spellcasting dice pool, and thus has no effect on ES's.

>>51984866
No but you can get about 15 dice with a yantra +5 arcana +5 gnosis even 3 gnosis is 13 dice. more than enough to get enough for an exceptional success.

>>51984843

>anon still hasn't posted artowork for his thicc Coraxfu

>>51984897

You cannot have Gnosis 3 and Arcana 5. Mastery requires a Gnosis of 5.

>>51984780 was discussing using an Unmaking praxis as an attack spell. Under such conditions, a mage will almost certainly not have the time or opportunity to employ more than his one reflexive Yantra.

Most likely, a mage will need an applicable praxis, and have a dice pool of 11-12. If using a high level spell, he will probably need to spend Reach for instant casting, sensory range, etc, with the incumbent high Paradox risk of a high Gnosis mage. In order to maintain a statistically sufficient dice pool, he will not be able to use additional Spell Factors to deal with circumstances like multiple targets, increased duration, or extra potency in the event he doesn't roll an ES.

The discussion is clearly veering into useless featureless white room one-on-one battles that do not model actual play.

Simply, do master mages, particularly those with applicable praxes and rotes, have certain advantages? Absolutely, as this was the design intent. Are these advantages nearly as game-breaking as some suggest in actual play? Not really, particularly against the high-level adversaries that such a master mage should be encountering.

>>51984978

Detroit is a Lower Depth?

What was the name of the lesser splat discussed recently that could beat any supernatural just by taking a video on a cell phone?

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>>51985077

The place where Dark Ones reside.

>>51985063
The advantage already existed before adding an effect that just breaks the game. Yeah in some cases you won't have all 15 possible dice but paradox isn't that big of a deal if you just go for instant casting and sensory. Praxis and ignore withstand ability are just a broken combination and even outside of white room test it is an issue. You can pretend that's not the case but it is.

>>51984674
SETH after you fucked off after killing Able, Your Mom and Dad had another kid Seth. He might be dead by now, but he had like a huge extended family. coughthehumanracecough You're a fucking uncle

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Running a Hunter game where my players are fighting witches, but also very interested in magic.

I'm thinking about having them get slowly "corrupted" and becoming Banishers, and switching over to Mage.

Anyone have any experience with Hunters gaining templates or running a Banisher game?

>>51975703
Depressed, alcoholic, pro wrestling, Russian werebear (OWOD)

>>51985144

That mage better hope he's not facing more than one opponent, or the resulting Spell Factor penalties could prove fatal.

In any event, I'm hardly suggesting that master mages who happen to have a praxis useful for a particular situation and a advantageous environment are not scary and powerful. I just don't believe the ES rule is as game-breaking in actual play as you and some others suggest.

If your group doesn't like the one aspect of the ES bonus that allow the bypassing of Withstand, just ignore it. WW badwrongfun stormtroopers will not be breaking down your door to arrest you.

>>51983516
Prime 6 can remove vampirism and the seven-fold curse.
The Archmages you hired were clearly low-Arete plebs.

Not that you need high Arete to do it.

Prime 9 Exemplar could just make a separate universe where God has no influence.

Problem solved, Caine buddy!

>>51984978
>he doesn't want to role play a young nigga comin' up in the world when he experiences his first change
>not wanting to go on turf wars, get rich, and be a general badass muthafucka all howln' at the moon and blastin' caps at niggas an' shit
>not wanting to get the yay out the hood, killin' gangsta pushas in the Pure's pockets
>not wantin' to save yo' granny from a fire touched corrupted baptist church
>not wanting to build a criminal empire with yo' nigga pack mates and wolf blooded hunters at yo' sides

have you actually NEVER played a GTA?

>>51985188
Sounds like an Egpytian asshole drug peddling cult maker to me.

>>51985421

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7YSNbq2KcQ

touche'

>>51984763
>With nWoD it isn't that noticable but playing oWoD now is just kind of... weird.
owod is child of the 90s and a lot of those ideas just have a harder time sticking. Also you can see a bit more of the "Seems" as I call it. Places where the logical conclusion of the conspiracy only works in movies. The suspension of disbelief becomes a bit harder

>>51985456
Seth, third son of Adam and Eve. not Set the god of storms

That was my point. Now its either my fault that im not to a level as GM or oWoD is basically lost in our modern times, any tips to fix that?

>>51985558

>>51985511
>>51985543

>>51985543
>Vampire
Take it back to base. 1st edition before all the gonzo stuff. Vampires hiding out behind their mortal fronts. Run it more anarch then Cam, so you can work in more ideology and ignore the higher meta. Basically You are an undead monster how do you survive and how do you spend your time?

>>51983516
Why not just go out into the sun you inmortal pussy?

>>51984072
I am not on it at all - too busy!

My cunning plan is to persuade Rich to put a "Mortal Remains" stretchgoal into Deviant's kickstarter. And then write at least some of it. That will then complete my Noumenon and I will Ascend.

>>51985540
The names are, and have been since before whitewolf ever published a book, been interchangeable.
>Set /sɛt/ or Seth (/sɛθ/; also spelled Setesh, Sutekh,[1] Setekh, or Suty) is a god of the desert, storms, disorder, violence and foreigners in ancient Egyptian religion.

>>51983340

Have you read a single description of them, or are you just going off people retelling it?

Strix look way more like the demons in Supernatural than they do owls.

(And Owls are associated with vampires in a *lot* of cultures. Just because Masquerade or Anne Rice didn't use it, doesn't make it not a thing. See also people complaining about Atlantis who clearly learned everything about the modern occult tradition from Mage The Ascension.)

>>51985734
they are still two very distinct narrative figures, with only a similar naming clause. but if anything Salote already fills the Seth role as the second chance redemption in VTM lore

>>51982607
>Does nothing to make it better
You could have had a good splat but decided to do nothing, now we have ....this

>>51985745
see
>>51985900

>>51985699
>DaveB
>persuade Rich to put a "Mortal Remains" stretch goal into Deviant's kickstarter. And then write at least some of it.

>complete my Noumenon and I will Ascend...

... and join your Exarch patrons.

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>>51982018
>promethean

You can tell the game is a success because its been discontinued due to nonexistant demand.

I imagine you consider yourself a success because no one talks or thinks about you anymore.

>>51985990
>promethean discontinued

Where did you hear that?

>>51985699
>Deviant's kickstarter
Do you have any idea when that will be?

>>51985990

how do you even play promethean
i can't come with a concept for shit even after reading source material
its just meh

>>51986037
Do you expect promethean to be rewritten before any other splat?

Demon has more appeal
Changeling was better received
Deviant or whatever the fuck is something
>>51986153


Promethean was a huge failure. Just look at how often players come here and seldom mention playing as a corpse that's so unpopular he repels everyone.

It hits too close to home.

>>51986634

You do realize that Promethean 2e was just recently released by OPP?

http://theonyxpath.com/category/worlds/chroniclesofdarkness/prometheanthecreated/