Now they're stealing our stories.

>>51944269
That's because they can't think of anything original.

>>51944269
who gives a fuck. People have been min-maxing intimidation orcs for years and it's always been funny. Wasn't an original story here either, get over it and stop browsing tumblr.

>>51944269
I've seen people on this board re-post stories from other sites dozens of times, and even go on to answer other poster's replies as if they were actually there. That's to say nothing of all the stories on here that are blatant fabrications, invented solely to play off the biases of chantards at large.

Get your head out of your ass.

>>51944269
because it's impossible for someone to frequent more than one website right?

It's possible the coworker is from /tg/ and was telling stories about greentexts, not knowing he was talking to a tumblrite. Someone here is a story stealing asshole, but it very well could have been one of us.

>>51944269
>hurrrr min-maxing and funny stories are our trademark!

Yet I bet you grumble at GW's tight-assed IP enforcement, don't you?

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Shitty orc thief-wannabe isn't exactly a unique concept.

At least it's not as bad as players trying to re-enact these stories or present the character ideas from them as their own concepts.

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> /tg/ widely shills the new edition of D&D for being player friendly and simple
> goes out of its way to curate new players
> thinks 5e is a shining path to a new future for RPGs
> 90% of arguments for why it is good stem from "well it's not 3.5!"
> now, tabletop hobby is flooded with more roasties and normies than ever before
> dumb-ass mechanics pander to them
> the nat20 meme is in full force thanks to Critical Roll
> Cards Against Humanity has fueled this idea that the fun in gaming stems from ridiculous scenarios creating autistic laughter
> video games have also put the Chaotic Randumb mentality in these new players
> most of the girls don't even bother learning to play as they are there to soak up male attention from beta orbiters
> this is what /tg/ wants

I will never understand you people.

>>51949426
Thanks for reminding me of my depression.

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>>51949426
I hope this is satire

>>51949426
>shill new edition of of D&D for being player friendly and simple
>goes out of its way to curate new players
>thinks 3rd is a shining path to a new future for RPGs
>90% of arguments for why it is good stem from "well it's not 2nd!"
>now, tabletop hobby is flooded with more hipsters and normies than ever before
>dumb-ass mechanics pander to them
>nat20 meme is in full force thanks to Order Of The Stick
>Munchkin has fuels this idea that the fun in gaming stems from ridiculous scenarios creating autistic laughter
>video games have also put the Chaotic Randumb mentality in these new players
>most of the girls don't even bother learning to play as they are there to soak up male attention from beta orbiters
>this is what gamers want

Works for 2nd Ed. AD&D too.

>>51949554
Why would it be satire? Have you been to an FLGS in the past 5 years, or have you just hidden inside and ordered your Palladium books online?

>>51949573
Ok perhaps I was rude and too quick to judge, I don't have any of these problems because I'm only playing with people I've known for many years and don't know what people that actually have to look for players in the wild have to go through.

>>51949647
nah, >>51949426 is just an idiot who's upset they got old

>>51949556
I don't think Order of the Stick had a single nat20 joke in it and it certainly didn't fuel this "nat20 means you instantly fly to the moon" horsecrap that has been shitting up the hobby for a good 5 years now. I blame Critical Role and similar D&D-as-performance-art bullshit. I actually saw a few of these shows about ten years ago when they were first starting out. Never even guessed things would get to this level of idiocy. People have failed to recognize the difference between a comedy D&D session and a D&D session that you might actually enjoy remembering someday.

>>51949664
Except I'm not old. I'm probably younger than average for /tg/.
And, 3.5 was far from friendly and simple. It got a few more people into the game but they were of the same ilk and the new edition was meant to re-invigorate D&D's fanbase, not draw in outside hordes for maximum shekels.

And Munchkin was NOWHERE near as widespread as Big Bang Theory, Stranger Things, Critical Role, et cetera. Your fallacy is that that and OOTS were mostly read/played by people who were already in the hobby.

>>51949672
shit, I fucked up my reply, the last two lines were meant to be in the first part of the post.

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>>51949426
> goes out of its way to curate new players

>>51949672
All of the things you are complaining about have been happening for years. Your complaints are the same complaints as previous generations of autistic grognards. Its okay. Other people having badwrong fun isn't new, you won't like many of them, hipsters, normies, sjws kids, whatever. You're old inside. Old in the shitty way where you think what other people are doing is bad because its not how you do it.

>>51949737
>It's been raining for years, but now it's flooding? Don't be so angry, grandpa, it's how things have always been!

>>51949757
>I've never been wet before!
>its just rain, happens to varying degrees, calm down

>>51949757
>>51949813
>strawman analogy
>basically whatever you think is right is actually wrong because I said so

>>51949813
I've been gaming since I was 11. Even at stores. The people there used to be kind and sober for the most part. The games had plenty of humor but they were far less dominated by these obnoxious autists. Hell, just look at the faces and dress style of the people who play games these days. Do you think they all just suddenly absorbed fashion sense, or do you think maybe something else is going on?

>>51949837
mhm

4srs tho, when 6th drops you'll see the same shit. I understand you're scared and upset and dumb, but its not new.

>>51949426

Yep. Looks like Dungeons and Dragons has finally cemented its place as a containment RPG.

It's not like this wasn't already a thing. Ever since third edition came out the trend was already starting. Fourth edition came with the popularity surge of The Big Bang Theory which resulted in a spike in sales, which was not enough to save 4e's badly-written mechanics.

Fifth edition was specifically watered down to be palatable both to grognards (who do not rely on the active D&D community nor do they need a new ruleset, thus this pandering was stupid) and to normies, who flocked to the game in great masses thanks to the game's appearance on two terrible TV shows (Stranger Things and Big Bang Theory). Also, the prevalence of Critical Role podcast created quite a lot of love for D&D, which found itself inundated by waves of new players. Wizards of the Coast saw sales skyrocketing, giving them the false message that dumbing down the game represented an improvement in game design (though they did streamline many of the mechanics, which was a good thing). As a result, Wizards is very happy with this diluting of the Dungeons and Dragons fanbase. /tg/ has also deluded itself into thinking this influx of players is a good thing. This lack of foresight is to be expected.

D&D is now the containment RPG. It keeps the dumb-ass Skyrim addicts and the brain-dead hipster roasties who can't even figure out which die to roll, out of the good RPGs. Which is sad, because D&D, despite being shit in many small ways, was overall a very fun and enjoyable roleplaying game. It was structured that way. However, the fanbase it is now attracting is making it intolerable, and the way said fanbase is guiding the mechanics is a direction that would make a game like Dungeon World seem sophisticated.

So, in short, D&D is dead, but thank god for its existence.

>>51949854
Fashion has changed, games are currently more marketable. There were always obnoxious gamers, gamers you didn't like, people who were rude. Rose tinting the past is just going to make you even shittier.

>>51949894
You gotta spice that pasta up a bit.

>>51949856
>>51949837
Look, we can't settle this argument one way or the other. It's based entirely on our subjective observations. There aren't any studies into how many "normies" have flooded the hobby.

I just ask you to look at Critical Role and the appearance of Dungeons and Dragons in Big Bang Theory and other TV shows, and realize that these are the major influences of people entering the hobby. This is how it is being depicted. This is what new players will expect.

Do you really want that?

>>51949908
>Fashion has changed

Not in the most basic sense. Even accounting for that, I see gamers far more well-dressed than they ever were in the past.

> games are currently more marketable.

Hmm, elaborate on that point.

>>51949928
I want it about as much as I want you. Its a diffuse hobby with a variety of demographics, you're not a gatekeeper, its never been just about you. Get over it.

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>>51944269

>>51949957
online distribution, game blogs, kickstarter, eurogame explosion, esports, etc. There's more people making games and more people buying. Its going to necessarily be different. Some grogs get scared of new and different.

>>51950008
pmuch this. Sometimes people forget you have to suck to be here at all, or want to defend their special corner of suck.

>>51949969
You're putting words in my mouth. And I am very accepting of new gamers who try to disrupt the tone of the game by being total twats.

The issue is that /tg/ has made this bullshit argument that if you don't support running your D&D games like a session of Cards Against Humanity while drinking microbrews, you are anti-fun because fun is the only goal of D&D fun and nothing else fun fun fun.

While ignoring the fact that fun is (1) subjective and (2) as a metric, utterly meaningless.

Having an orgy is more fun than D&D for most, but if you show up to a D&D game at some guys house then all start stripping halfway through the game, you are a dick.

Similarly, if you infiltrate and flood a hobby and instead of trying to adapt and immerse yourself in that culture, you try to flame it with memes and orgasmic squawking at the sight of a once-in-twenty occurrence, you are a selfish dickhead, no different than what you are accusing me of being.

(not you, personally, anon, I mean the people are discussing here)

I kind of doubt things like Big Bang Theory has had that much of an impact on the general populace. My two younger sisters have watched every single episode of that show, yet did not know what D&D was when I brought it up in conversation once. Or what a "roleplaying game" was, for that matter.

Sure, that's anecdotal, but do think that unless people know what D&D is before watching a episode of BBG, they won't remember it after the episode is done.
Almost everyone can remember the basic plot of E.T., or even specific moments, but unless you know what D&D is you probably won't remember that it's in the movie.

But I dunno, I may be wrong, and it may be that these shows are spreading D&D to the masses. It's just not my impression.

Oh, and you can't really "steal" a story on the internet. Ownership barely exists as anything but culture. Either way I don't really care if tumblr "steals" it, I don't really interact with that community. Likewise I wouldn't care if someone posted a cool worldbuilding project here that was based off something from tumblr, it's all just free information.

>>51950044
>online distribution, game blogs, kickstarter, eurogame explosion, esports, etc. There's more people making games and more people buying. Its going to necessarily be different. Some grogs get scared of new and different.

I like new games. I don't support Kickstarter because of how easy it is to get ripped off, and there are hordes of useful idiots on Reddit who have more money than sense and will boot up these projects for one hundred times the money they are asking.

However these mediums are mainly only responsible for attracting the hipsters. The normalfags are coming to D&D for two other reasons which I mentoned above.

>>51949894
I wrote this pasta and someone besides me posted it. What does that even mean?

>>51944269
There's an entire tumblr blog dedicated to screencapping 4chan posts.

>that faggot is lurking for material somewhere right now

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>>51944269
>now

>>51950050
>infiltrate a hobby
like with ninjas? Do you think there are people trying to corrupt your games?

Their idea of fun is different. They're going to run games like that. There have been games made out of random nat20 shinnanigans and monty python jokes and bullshit since way before 5th ed. People not reading, researching and learning about a hobby before involving themselves is normal. Its not new.

>>51950141
Means it was salient.

DnD has always been the containment zone though.

From the few episodes I watched of TBBT I only remember that every scene involving DnD was making fun of it for being strange nerd shit (making fun of the characters roleplaying and doing voices for example), I doubt the average person that watches the show will be convinced to research RPGs further and even try them if their only contact with it is that.

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>>51950178
Okay, less infiltration as much as outright invasion. I spoke too kindly.

> There have been games made out of random nat20 shinnanigans and monty python jokes and bullshit since way before 5th ed.

Yes there are always examples of this throughout the history of D&D, we are discussing volume and frequency.

> People not reading, researching and learning about a hobby before involving themselves is normal. Its not new.

The difference is the arrogance and confidence with which these people enter the hobby. They aren't looking to learn anything, they think they already know everything because their entire life system is based around positive reinforcement. These roasties enter the game with this idea that it is your job to entertain them, and since they have never created anything in their life, they get bored, then get angry and resentful at you for not entertaining them. Whereas the males will simply hijack your game for cheap entertainment. And not in the "well you shouldn't be such a railroading DM" kind of way, but rather the "not even do anything game-related, just try to spout actual internet memes during a D&D game, in-character, and tell you that you're a no-fun twat if you call them out on it."

These people are entering our hobby by the thousands while you're preaching tolerance and "a bloo bloo it's not your right to keep them out, you're not a gatekeeper, it's not your sekret clubbb"

Reminds me of all the European women calling for more and more Muslims to be let into the country because they wanted that Haji meat. Then fifty of them got run over by a truck.

I wonder if there's a lesson to be learned, there.

>>51949426
>roasties

Back to /r9k/.

>>51950300
This is literally complaining about cultural appropriation, a concept that doesn't get any less ridiculous just because a non-SJW is doing it.

>>51950278
Yes, but you forgot the other piece of the puzzle: being a """nerd""" is cool, now. That, coupled with the maintaining of the normie's social status above that of those pathetic losers who actually care about their hobby ("god, caring about a game, what a fuckin piece of shit, i bet he lives with his mom") means that these people think it is cool to go into D&D games and act like the roasties did in the episode: rude, demeaning, narcissistic cunts.

I mean there's even a point in the show where the guys play D&D instead of hanging out with their girlfriends, and these air-headed bitches get so butthurt over going one night without their "mens'" (I use the term loosely give how whipped these fucks are) attention that they storm into the apartment dressed in lingerie and do sexy dances to distract them.

What a bunch of fucking whores. And this is the kind of shit that is considered acceptable in gaming now.

>>51950349
>just because a non-SJW is doing it
meant to say "just because a non-SJW is complaining about it"

>>51950300
You seem pretty arrogant and confident, don't seem like you learned much, think you already know everything and have based your entire life system around getting what you want. Now that's no happening and you mad.

Good. Its not MY hobby. I don't own it, or control who gets to play games. But if the current changes in demographics means you're less interested that's pretty okay.

Better watch out for those jihadisjwgamersninjas invading your flgs. Boogaboogabooga!

>>51944571
Personally my issue is how they utilize annoying tumblr speak. Like starting their anecdote as if it was a continuation of another post. Or the "apparently". What makes it apparent other than the fact that you're fucking saying it? And if you're saying it then why the fuck do you need to tell us that it "apparently" happened?

>>51950386
>they're making it difficult for me to call them whores!

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>>51950300
>that image
LITERALLY
NOTHING
WRONG
WITH
IT

COMMUNITIES AREN'T MEANT TO REMAIN STAGNANT
EVERY SINGLE COMMUNITY HAS A LIFE CYCLE THAT ENDS WITH ITS DEATH AND REBIRTH
FUCK OFF, WE'RE FULL

>>51950349
>>51950390
No, no, there is a difference.

Cultural appropriation is whining when someone names their restaurant after an Indian tribe and puts insulting stereotype shit in it. It's kind of cringeworthy but it's even more cringeworthy to complain about it.

This is the equivalent of going into a Native American reservation with feathers taped in your hair and insisting they let you live with them.

/tg/ are the ones in the indian reservation one state over who don't believe this is happening because "well no one can get into where WE are, right? we don't need the infrastructure, we can always hide in our basements and play the same old games and never interact with the community at all! And when D&D 6e comes out and a natural 20 means you get to become the Dungeon Master, you'll say "well, that's none of my business, I don't have any right to determine what other people play!"

>>51950413
It's just the slang that developed for their website, 4chan has the same kind of stuff you just don't notice because it seems natural for you from years of browsing.

>>51949554
>roasties and normies

It's pretty obviously satire, friend.

Only OP could be that much of a faggot.

>>51944269
They're trans-/tg/. It's the latest fad among tumblrfags.

>>51950439
>And when D&D 6e comes out and a natural 20 means you get to become the Dungeon Master, you'll say "well, that's none of my business, I don't have any right to determine what other people play!"

And that will be the rational response, yes.

>>51950439
I don't even have a laughinggirls.jpg to use for this, but damn.

>>51949854
>I've been gaming since I was 11. Even at stores. The people there used to be kind and sober for the most part. The games had plenty of humor but they were far less dominated by these obnoxious autists. Hell, just look at the faces and dress style of the people who play games these days. Do you think they all just suddenly absorbed fashion sense, or do you think maybe something else is going on?

When I was a kid, teenagers wore SAFETY PINS IN THEIR EARS and had MOHAWKS LIKE A GODDAMN RED INDIAN and wore RIPPED CLOTHING WITH MUSICAL GROUPS I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF and they refused to PLAY CHAINMAIL and insisted on their HOMOSEXUAL DUNGEON CRAWLS.

True story.

>>51944269
This is the worst thread I have ever seen on this board, and I was here for the Flare spam and touhous eating their own guts.

This is a bad thread.

>>51950411
You are projecting hard, my friend. And no, my life has never given me what I want. I stood up and took what I wanted. Doesn't mean I'm at all a successful person but I didn't sit on my ass either.

> Now that's no happening and you mad.

Not really, just disappointed because it's becoming harder and harder to find a decent group among the sea of idiots.

If you think it was always that way, then you clearly weren't around when gaming was more of a community than this vast horde of idiots who care about the hobby only because of "fun." Which by itself is not a reason to do something at all. Because there are a lot of things that are far more "fun" than RPGs.

>>51950432
I don't understand what you're saying. I don't want to call anyone a whore. But when you have such an empty life that the only way you can try to distract your boyfriend from a hobby game he is enjoying and finds fulfilling, is by dressing provocatively, that shows that the only value you have is your cunt. That is disgusting.

I've met plenty of women in the years I've been gaming, of all ages, and many were creative and intelligent. They certainly didn't have this ADHD entitlement complex that seems to befit the new female players where they think the game should be an attention contest.

The last game I ran involving more than one female player ended in such a tense and snippy atmosphere I had to guide it to an early death. I never had this happen 5 years ago when I ran games.

>>51950439
>I don't have any right to determine what other people play!

I feel like you were going to make an actual argument, but then your post ended here.

>>51950543
And Sergals, and Unified Setting, and that one guy who made a shitty homebrew about hogwarts but with guns, and the grill furfags, and...

Still not worse than Jim, though.

>>51950543
>touhous eating their own guts
Oh man, I had completely forgotten about that guy.

>>51950496
You're a shitty consumer and you are the reason companies make shitty products. To pander to loud idiots and quiet smart people.

Tell me, do you like that hypothetical nat20 mechanic I outlined?

>>51950561
>call people whores
>I don't want to call anyone a whore

really makes you think

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>>51949672
>Your fallacy is that that and OOTS were mostly read/played by people who were already in the hobby.

For what it's worth, OotS is what pushed me to finally go and start playing DnD. I'd had an interest in it for years, but my parents would refuse to let me do anything like that (not for religious reasons but just because they are judgemental assholes who didn't want me doing nerdy stuff).

>>51950413
You sound like a cuck.

>>51950513
And those people were just fine. I know you're trying to make some "old generation always hates the new generation" argument but if you want RPGs to be turned into a cheap, crass method of entertainment and be nothing but "LOLOLOL I GOT A NAT20 ON MY SPELL ROLL I SUMMON LITERAL GODZILLA" for all of fucking eternity, then at least come out and say it. Say that RPGs will never be a somewhat-interesting method of making a story, and that creative fulfillment does not even enter into your motivation for playing them. Say that you don't care if there is never another RPG book published against that you give a shit about, and the community you once enjoyed is forever gone.

Maybe you never go to your FLGS or participate in your local gaming community. If not, you are free to shut yourself in your basement for the rest of your life and play the same RPG forever. Fine by me.

>>51950603
mobile narrative control is neat

>>51950601
I miss the 4e touhou futa bait and switch stuff. I remember one time the uploader went as far to splice the first few pages of the actual doc in front. That was 10/10.

>>51950577
It was less a direct logical argument so much as a satirical exposure of why your attitude is shitty.

Not standing up for what you want just because "well it's none of MY business" makes you the most pathetic human being in existence, Chamberlain.

>>51950545
>>51950543
posting the same thing twice isn't fooling anyone, anon.

>>51950719
The thing you want is bad, I'm glad its dieing and I'm laughing that you're hurt about it.

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>>51950719
Fuck your terrible thread and your terrible cunt life, faggot.

>>51950698
Then you are part of the issue. I say that having enjoyed FATE, by the way.

>>51950648
That's cool, anon, but it's really only one example. And to be fair, you likely would have ended up playing D&D eventually anyways, if you had an interest in it.

My point is that BBT is drawing in people who have never even given a shit about D&D before.

>>51950798
I, too, can use MsPaint.

>>51950545
>>51950543
grow up

>>51950755
>The thing you want is bad

And why is that? Actually enjoying something of value is stupid when you could exploit it for a few cheap laughs and turn a unique medium into the same boring drudge as everything else? RPGs aren't the most fantastic thing ever, but you sound like the kind of person who'd burn down a bookstore and replace every shelf with copies of Fifty Shades of Gray and Twilight.

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>>51950445
Yeah, I know it exists in one way or another in every community, but I find this particular form of tumblr talk to be particularly irritating. The kind that they use whenever they're telling a fake story but they want you to believe it

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>>51950656
Yep. People who say "cuck" are definitely the ones whose opinions I respect

>>51950818
Let's run with it. The is indeed a culture war anon! Only you and the brave oppressed noble savages on your DnD reservation can hold the objectively true ways that are coincidentally the ways you grew up with! The sjws are coming for you and your games, forcing you to know other people are doing thing differently than you and playing while wearing burkas! Their commitment and interest in gaming isn't as HRDCORE as you!

Only thing to do is shoot up a flgs and cleanse the taint I guess.

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>>51950818
>I, too, can use MsPaint.
I can't though.

I swear threads like this are the worst.

It's like there is 0 middle ground for you fuckers.

>>51950914
So you are the one who posted them and used airplane mode? Nice try.

>>51950874
No, dumbass. I know you're not serious but your post is trying to show there is no solution to this problem I am outlining. But there is. It's called, stop falling for the Geek Social Fallacies that make you dumbasses think that you have to be kind and accepting toward everyone no matter what, and that social ostracization is the worst sin to commit short of murder.

>>51950930
There is a middle ground, you're just too busy supporting the corruption of D&D's fanbase to even ask where it is.

>>51950300
Bit like fencing might be more fun if you allowed firearms, but if you want to play with guns why bother fencing?

>>51950978
>There is a middle ground, you're just too busy supporting the corruption of D&D's fanbase to even ask where it is.

That was my first post in the thread, where did you get the idea of what the fuck I support?

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>>51950496
>I will take no action; I will make no decision; I will simply accept whatever is given to me.
>...and I call this 'rationality'....
Y-you make a lovely slave, anon. We thank you for your lack of effort.

>>51950937
The fuck are you talking about? You can't post in airplane mode. Are you suggesting that I made both posts by disconnecting in between to reset IP? Did you miss the part where >>51950798 posted a non-mobile screenshot?

Your next move is to suggest that both posters are merely a single poster using a desktop and a phone. You will continue to yell samefag because, in your delusional mind, it is more likely that someone is going through a bunch of effort to samefag than it is for 2 out of the 30+ posters here to think this thread is bad. No amount of evidence to the contrary will ever lead you to acknowledge that multiple people might disagree with you.

>>51950988
This.
Now we're starting to get somewhere...

>>51951163
>>51950603
Not him, but what stops you from playing a different game, though? The one made by smart people, for smart people? Pandering to the idiotic masses isn't anything new under the sun.

>>51950978
>I'm the middleground!
>acceptance is tyranny!

kek. There's nothing wrong with social selection. You're just not being selected anymore.

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>>51951328
>bad guys move into your neighborhood
>throw up hands
>"Guess we gotta leave our home, now, find somewhere else to live."
Why do you choose to be weak, when you could be strong?

>>51951367
>tabletop games that can effortlessly be forked and customized to your pleasure
>comparing the situation to "bad guys move into your neighborhood"
No, anon, you are the retard.

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>>51951334
>I-I'm just pretending to be stupid by moving the goalposts...
>I-I'm not back-pedalling at all.....

>>51950044
You don't have to suck to be here.
I mean I don't suck.
I don't suck, right?

>>51951415
>moves goalposts by carefully re-imagining the discussion
You seem to have forgotten what we're talking about, anon - a-are you ok?

>>51951463
I haven't even participated in the discussion until the post you answered to.
What's to stop you from NOT moving on to the next edition? Will the corporation send a deathsquad to your house for violating a clause in the Terms of Service for not using the Latest Edition (TM)?

Hell, why do you even about others' absolutely arbitrary norms and their opinions of what you do?
I'm gaming with my group and I've never had a single problem /tg/ keeps whining about. Why? BECAUSE I DON'T CARE ABOUT SHIT THAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE OF MY GROUP.

>>51944405
Same. Hilarious hijinks usually follow.
>Created Barbarian/Rogue Half-Orc
>Gorgoth "The Not So Sneaking" Rogue
>Other friend rolled with Human Ranger
>Tasked with collecting eggs for potion
>Eggs are in swamp, guarded by wizard
>Decide to leave for quest
>It's night, and there is a curfew
>Try to sneak out of city on horses
>DM ask for stealth rolls for horses
>Keep rolling 15 and higher
>Ranger keeps rolling below 10
>Nickname Horse "Cotton Hoof"

>Managed to make it out of city
>Head to swamp to collect eggs
>Find traps littering the nested area
>Roll atheltics to jump over traps
>Roll over 20
>Hulk jump over traps with ease.
>Ask DM what type of eggs they are
>Told to roll nature to see if I know
>Roll a 2 on survival
>Gorgoth says they are unicorn eggs
>Ranger rolls nature check
>Rolls just as bad as me with advantage
>"Yep definitely Unicorn eggs!"
>Ranger just as retarded as the Half-Orc.
>Find out later they are dinosaur eggs
>Have to fight some dinos later on

>>51950823
Die.

>>51951521
Anon, read the whole thread: this discussion is about what happens INSIDE YOUR GROUP.

>>51951418
the goalpost was always you being an idiot

>>51951731
This has never been about that. Triggered anon is upset that other groups exist.

>>51951944
No, he's bitching about the dilution of the community by normies infiltrating individual groups and turning 'tabletop fun' into 'lolsorandumb fun'.

>>51952010
Don't see how that's different.

>>51952010
Not the guy who you're talking to, but let me see if I understand this - someone thinks that the existence of dumb "I rolled a 20" stories is due to an "infiltration of normies"? Because that's not the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but not for lack of trying.

>>51950847
>telling a fake story but they want you to believe it

so greentexting?

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>>51952069
No. No, I don't imagine you do.
>>51952080
Sure thing, kid.

>>51949426
It doesn't matter if your slice of the pie is half the size of before, if the pie itself is triple the size.
Also, most don't seem to be having issues. Just you autisming out.

>>51951944
Nah, more than if you ever want a new group, that is the pool you will have to pick from. And new published content will pander to these retards. Stand up for what you want, it's part of being a consumer in a capitalist society. If you think that's "none of your business" go live in some AnCap wasteland where you can't even talk to another person without violating the NAP.

>>51952174
>Sure thing, kid.
It's pretty funny that you'd be saying that when you obviously don't remember the early 2000s.

>>51952204
Except it's not more pie, it's mold, and it's spreading into my slice. Unless I cut off a tiny little piece and keep it, in which case I have a crumb where before I had a whole pie. But if I complain about people stealing my pie, I get yelled at it's none of my business. Even though it was my pie in the first place.

>>51950044
Your typing style is both distinctive and incredibly obnoxious. Please smash your fingers with a hammer and go think about your life.

>it's an obvious troll derails an entire thread that was shit to begin with episode
literally peggy hill and lisa simpson focused episode tier

>>51952234
>where before I had a whole pie.
No one ever had a whole pie. You had to cut the grognardy unwashed bits out of your pie to get anything edible.

>>51950680
>And those people were just fine. I know you're trying to make some "old generation always hates the new generation" argument but if you want RPGs to be turned into a cheap, crass method of entertainment and be nothing but "LOLOLOL I GOT A NAT20 ON MY SPELL ROLL I SUMMON LITERAL GODZILLA" for all of fucking eternity, then at least come out and say it. Say that RPGs will never be a somewhat-interesting method of making a story, and that creative fulfillment does not even enter into your motivation for playing them. Say that you don't care if there is never another RPG book published against that you give a shit about, and the community you once enjoyed is forever gone.

Anon, I started playing D&D more than 20 years ago, and I couldn't begin to count how many times prior to Y2K someone thought they should be able to do whatever they demand because they rolled a nat 20.

The idea that privileged millennials are the first crop of players in history to think rolling a 20 gives their character extra superpowers is retarded.

You're retarded.

>>51952289
>The idea that privileged millennials are the first crop of players in history to think rolling a 20 gives their character extra superpowers is retarded.

No, but they are the first crop of players to be legitimized by a viral online webshow that teaches horrific game behaviors.

>>51952287
No but I had a slice of it which I shared with others. The community was great before the mold came in. Calling it more pie is incorrect when these people have no interest in integrating into our community AT ALL.

>>51949426
what the fuck is a roastie

>>51952313
>the first generation with web shows had the first web show to do ____
Amazing detective work there.

Also, Knights of the Dinner Table came out in the early 90s.

>>51952335
It's the permavirgin term for a woman.

The idea is that the more sex a lady has, the longer her labia get, so you can tell who has a lot of sex by how long their labia are.

Sort of like how your dick gets bigger the more times a girl sucks on it.

>>51952335
The mating call of the /r9k/ reject

>>51952255
>pls im gentlman

>>51952174
>facepalmmeme
>sure thing gramps you must be a real oldfag

>>51951163
It's possible to play/buy something other than whatever WotC vomits up, you mouthbreathing troglodyte.

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>>51952210
>Stand up for what you want, it's part of being a consumer in a capitalist society
This, my god, this.

>>51952460
Wait until the cancer spreads beyond D&D. It will.

>>51952382
Yeah no shit, when did I act like that was some magnificent discovery? The point is that it is bringing in those outside the hobby into it. Again, shit like OotS and KotDT did not bring in nearly as many outsiders as Critical Role has. Those people were mostly already part of the hobby.

I used to work at a game store. Almost 50% of the people buying the Basic Set, had heard of the game because of either (1) Stranger Things, (2) Big Bang Theory, or, most of all, (3) Critical Role. Also responsible are the tumblr/reddit/imgur posts of D&D greentexts / stories that make people want to imitate the dumb shit that goes on in those stories (most of which are fake and didn't even happen in an actual game).

Yes I appreciate the irony of calling something out for making up an imagniary story about something that happened in an imaginary game

>>51952449
Y-you did that wrong, kiddo.

>>51952627
>Wait until cancer spreads beyond D&D. It will.
That's pretty dubious, given that fads in the mainstream (which you insist this is) have a limited duration and don't tend to move beyond the initial source of exposure (ask Nintendo about that).

And even if you weren't wrong, it still wouldn't affect any game I run.

>>51950603
>Tell me, do you like that hypothetical nat20 mechanic I outlined?

Yes. I already go one step beyond making nat20s successes on most rolls and always let my players narrate how they succeed on a nat20.

>>51949426
>women only play for attention
Have you seen the guys the attention comes from? Nobody wants that

>>51952627

>Good: I didn't know about D&D, but then I heard someone talking about it, so I looked into it.

>Bad: I didn't know about D&D, but then I saw it mentioned on a TV show, so I looked into it.

I still don't see why you're upset about the idea that people hear about D&D for the first time. Do you think you sprang fully-formed from your stepdad's brow already possessed of a deep understanding of THAC0?

>>51949426
>mobleposters bitching about "normies"
GET OUT
GET OUT
GET OUT

>>51952234
Well if it's your pie, you'll have no trouble turning all your companies around and doing a 180 on this. What's the problem? :^)

>>51952845
I posted this from my desktop, jackass. What the fuck are you on about?

>>51952827
Yes they do. Because the guys will give them validation that they seek. Most of them are ecstatic to see a female gamer. She doesn't even have to give anything in return. I've watched beta cucks buy a girl new dice after she "lost" hers several weeks in a row. I'm pretty sure she didn't actually lose them.

>>51952777
> Yes. I already go one step beyond making nat20s successes on most rolls and always let my players narrate how they succeed on a nat20.

I seriously hope you get in a car accident soon and no one else gets hurt or dies except you. This narrative bullshit needs to die. It's not even narrative, actually, it's just masturbation. Fuck it.

>>51952828
>deliberately ignores and misrepresents problem...
>...revealing that he's either trolling, or stupid.
Underage memester detected. Back to mommy's tit, kiddo.

>>51949426
.>using memetastic words like "roastie" and "normie"
Looks like I found the problem with the game, and it's you.

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>>51949554
Worse, it's Virtposting.

>>51953078
It's too late, anon. I encourage other GMs at my college gaming club to let their players narrate their own successes, and several have started doing it. My terrible "let players have a good time playing their characters during the casual weekend social hobby" virus has spread, and its too late to contain it

>>51953203
Stupid AND trolling - very nice.

>>51953058
Maybe your male players are the issue.
Just saying.

But you could always go make an all-dicks group if you want. Nobody stopping you except you.

>>51952845
>mobleposters

Did you not get the memo anon

>>51952627
I hope it does and ruins fun for you. Forever! Buhahahahaha.

>>51944269
>>51945213
>3.PF

lol

>>51951176
This should be copypasted and used against braindead "samefag" poster

>>51953133
Nah, I'm actually one of the best things to ever happen to the hobby. At least around here. I am probably the best DM in a 100 mile radius. I've run dozens of systems for dozens of different people and I've got an entire network of gamers. I am directly responsible for getting at least twenty people into gaming, and teaching them the ways of playing, helping them with the rules, even lending them my dice from time to time. I've got a vast miniatures collection for games which require such, and in the past decade I've all but perfected the art of GMing. I run engaging stories, engaging combats, and campaigns that are the perfect medium of sandbox and railroad. I have let players take the campaign completely in a new direction and not only did I tolerate it, I managed to embrace it and create all manner of new storylines for them. I've run at least three campaigns to level 10 or higher (or the equivalent for non D&D systems), and one of these would be at level 25 or higher had I not given half XP because they wanted slower advancement. I've done space-horror one shots that left someone not wanting to go home by themselves, I've run investigation games that had characters puzzling for hours, and I've had suspenseful cliffhangers that had several players flaking out on a friend's wedding so they could play the next session as soon as possible.

So I don't think I'm the problem with the game. And I think you need to watch what you say. If you said that to my face, I could have a few words with some friends and you would basically be blacklisted from every roleplaying group in a 35 mile radius.

>>51953279
Except I have observed multiple instances of this in over a dozen different groups. I wasn't even part of them.

>>51953203
It's one thing to let them have fun playing their characters, it's another thing to have ridiculous shit happen 5% of the time because a nat20 is so special and otherwise it just would ruin the fun. Also because you and your group are the ADHD smartphone generation and this game can't hold your addled interest for more than 5 minutes unless something hilarious happens.

itt - grognards try to warn kids, kids don't listen because natch they know better.
News at 11.
/thread already

>>51953519
Is this new pasta? I don't even read this shit anymore....

>>51953567
Its virt era. Not fresh enough to be interesting, not old enough to be important.

Please put on a trip so I can filter you

>>51953626
>>51953652
So, what are virt's 'tells', so I might spot his shit and avoid it?

>>51953539
I can't see how observing multiple groups addresses the post you're pointing at.
Maybe the guys you choose to hang out with are the issue. They're the ones indulging these attention whores, aren't they?

Why not make an all sausagefest group if the problem isn't them?

>>51953830
Loudly complaining about normies coming into the culture
Citing their age
Smug assurance

>>51953830
"roasties" is a sure tell too.

>>51953279
>>51953871
You're repeating yourself. Go home, kid.

>>51953830
dw false flagging
really into violent shit to women

>>51953909
Uh, this is ALL virt? And here I assumed it was /tg/'s natural attitude....virt is a busy guy!
Why don't you tell us, Virt, why you do what you do? I've found many anons hereabouts to be helpful and concerned: we can help you. Let us help you: share your pain.

>>51950847
>no eagle named tolerance shedding a tear
Shit story.

>>51953970
Ah, he's the dungeon world guy...AND raging misogynist....thanx, anons!
Now, I hasten to add that many of the points about bringing 'normie' women to the table do seem to be true in my experience, but 'normie' women and 'ca/tg/irls' are two different kettles of fish...ca/tg/irls are into tabletop, 'normie' girls are into attention.
And of course let's face it: we all crave at least a little attention in our tt escapades.

>>51944269
Isn't intimidation strength?

>>51951433
I'm sorry anon. You're a faggot. You're a faggot just like everyone else here.
Which means you suck. You suck a lot.

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So... uh.
You know that you don't have to play with them, right?

If the people bitching about this are as basement dwelling of grognards as their bitterness seems to paint them as, you can just go over to a friend's house, play with only them, only play the editions/systems you want, and just lock yourself out of whatever else is going on outside that bubble.

If you really don't think women and people younger than you should play, then don't play with them. Its honestly that simple. The internet exists; I'm sure you can literally start up a secret get together with people who are of the same opinion, run a screening process to make sure everyone involved agrees along "party lines", and have THAT be your community.

>>51953939
>raise point, suggestion
> respond with hot air that doesn't address either
> point out lack of response, how suggestion and issue are still uncountered
> get accused of repeating
If you want to be able to broadcast and not have to worry about people actually responding to you, go get a twitter account.

>>51954066
>Missing the point this hard

>>51954150
Then what's the point? No one seems to want new editions or new players in their systems, so it seems the best way to do that is the literally just gatekeep the whole fandom.

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>>51954106
>comes up with lame 'all-dicks' joke
>rinse and repeat with lame 'sausagefest' joke
>muh, I made a legit point, yo!
If you want to be able to meme and not worry about people actually treating you like shit, go get a tumblr account.

>>51954179
not about new editions or players - it's about casuals ruining games. Casuals.

>>51954241
Then don't play with casuals. I was born in the late 80s, didn't touch a PHB until I was in college and only play 2E with a bunch of people who came from 2E households. It's not that hard to literally dissociate yourself with casuals. No one's breaking down your door demanding that Suzy McSuckcock and Niles the Nigger tear up you books and my you play anything that you don't want.

>>51954225
All male parties are routinely described as sausage fests, anon. Flavor of genitalia are also the primary qualities you were complaing about. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, anon.

Now is there a reason you are incapable of forming an all-guy party?

>>51953871
Dude, it's dozens of groups at multiple locations. It's not me.

>>51954056
It's Charisma. DM fiat can make it a strength check if they're using their muscles.

>>51954241

And how do people become 'proper' fans without being casuals in the first place?

I know a lot of people who could easily be described as secondaries as they first learned about D&D from the various D&D video games.

>>51954179
>No one seems to want new editions or new players in their systems

No one is saying this. We just don't want arrogant normies fucking things up with their nat20 memes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7xFXTWkgTI

Look at this shit. This is the kind of screaming squealing shit I have to deal with when I play D&D now.

>>51956113

No it isn't.

No you don't.

Don't play with people you don't like.

This has been how the game has worked since before the game was formally published.

If you are too fucking lazy to cull appropriately it is your own fault.

>>51956113
>People being excited they rolled well.

Damn shame that. Curse those normies.

>Look at this shit. This is the kind of screaming squealing shit I have to deal with when I play D&D now.

That seems like a 'you' problem.

>>51956585
No, that seems to be a problem with this girl getting lubed up the second she sees a natural 20. It's a fuckin die roll, you don't need to get that excited over it. It's literally just as likely as any of the other rolls.

>>51956720
>it's bad because it's a giiiiiiiiiiiiiirl

>>51956720
>We're supposed to not react to things happening in game.

>If you're having fun, you're doing it wrong.

>>51956807
You don't need to shriek like a retard every time you roll a natural 20. That is child behavior. Fucking stop it. It is grating on the ears, too.

>>51956878
This REALLY just sounds like the people you're hanging out with. Hang out with better people.

>>51956941
No, it sounds like the dumb cunt in the video.

>>51956958
So... don't watch the video.

>but its about these videos making me have to play with people who like these videos

No one wants to play with you because you suck, not because everyone else is a casual.

>>51944269
You aren't me. You don't get to say we, dirty mongoloid.

>>51956958
This video is one instance of someone being annoying while playing D&D.

You're making this sound like that somehow extends to literally everyone. Find people who aren't annoying to play with.

I think women are cute! CUTE!

I had to check to make sure I wasn't on /v/. This is almost as exciting as the guy who wanted to fix D&D by removing dice because it encouraged fatalistic themes

>>51956113
Wow, there is so much more going on there than just "Oh man it's a 20". The group is in the shit with one of their deadliest enemies to date. An enemy who has outplayed them (mostly cause they are super dumb and haven't figured out the idea of caution but still) and left them in a very disadvantageous position. At that point they were excited about any advantage they could maintain and Percy holding onto his Hex spell after basically being nuked to near oblivion was a pretty significant advantage. Also the guy playing Percy (Talison or something like that?) is unnaturally lucky and had been rolling way too many 20s not just in general but especially that night. It was a combination of relief and disbelief and I have seen old grognards squeal and cheer over far less. On top of that the nat 20 did nothing special other than maintain a concentration check, you know that thing that happens on a nat 20 as per the rules.

If you are going to put forth Critical Role as somehow destroying the hobby with outlandish nat 20 superpowers you are going to have to pull up something far more damning than that clip.

On a side note I've been playing for a good long while now (around the beginning of 3rd so admittedly not the longest but not a newbie either) and I've actually seen far more nat 20 = leap to the moon bullshit from previous generations than I have the current so maybe it's a manner of anecdotal evidence and the reality is that some groups of individuals are more outlandish than others regardless of generation. Just saying.

>>51958819
Totally with you here, buddy. CR cast gets far too excited about Nat20s, but I can't remember a single time Mercer actually allowed any kind of unrealistic bullshit for a Nat20 skill check.

Also, started playing back in 3e. And even back then 'Nat20 to the moon' meme was strong. I've seen the story about a dwarf falling off a cliff and then rolling 3 Nat20s in a row and flying up by flailing his arms around in, like, 2002.

>>51950219
>Faggots believe this
>Never realize that this board is the containment zone

>>51950436
What if you really, really like the game behind the first community though? I can't see myself enjoying any card game as much as I enjoy Magic and if any new card game tried to rip off their mechanics then they would just get sued out the asshole. Not to mention it's basically impossible to recreate the history and mystique that Magic has from its older cards.

>>51954241
>Casuals
Just. Don't. Play. With. Them.

>>51949894
>It's not like this wasn't already a thing. Ever since third edition came out the trend was already starting. Fourth edition came with the popularity surge of The Big Bang Theory which resulted in a spike in sales, which was not enough to save 4e's badly-written mechanics.

4e's mechanics were quite good, actually; interesting battles, a lot of freedom for roleplaying outside of combat, and easy to GM. The problem with it was the fracturing of the player base between Pathfinder and 4e, and the retarded edition warring that ensued.

Neo-/tg/ is basically Tumblr. There's almost no difference. I believe this is the future for 4chan due to the significant amount of crossposters. It tragic but inevitable

>>51962819
How is tumblr neo/tg/ again? The biggest change I've noticed is less quest threads. I dont hear any of this SJW shit.

>>51962622
No. I wanted to believe that once, but I've been going through archives of old gaming podcasts with 4e sessions and it's retards all the way down.

No one can keep the mechanics straight. Fights last for six days. First you can't do shit, then you've got so much shit you can't remember half of it.

>>51950436
Of course, assuming this works out for you (it doesn't), you're still spending more time in roastie hell than doing what you love.

>>51954241
We don't speak /v/irginese, mind telling us what "casual" means because I've heard like fifty different definitions all of which are wrong.

>>51963374

>Fights last for six days.

What...even with pre-MM3 math it wasn't THAT bad.

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>>51963404
Even accepting that a lot of the sessions I'm going through are run by fucking retards, that's a shit load of people I've gamed with over the years too.

5 and 6 round fights that lasted 1-2 hours. Shit is absurd.

I was trying to find a fix while I waited for a new Authors and Dragons to post and I thought 4e games might be interesting since I never played it. I was shocked and horrified. 5 and 6 round fights that lasted 1-2 hours. Shit is absurd.

>>51949426

I'm just gonna take a shot in the dark and say you're starved of decent interaction, you spend too much time browsing and not playing, and you are a fats.

>>51962819
>"""neo-/tg/"""
How long have you even been here, redditfugee?

>>51963450
5-6 rounds lasting 1 hour isn't that unlikely. With 5 players, 1 minute/player, + a generous 5 min for the DM (let's assume he's playing a force comparable to the PCs) means you get exactly 10 minute rounds.

Any more than that, and it means the players are not familiar enough with the game to make less than 1 minute rounds, which is a pretty low benchmark.

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>>51944269
>some tumblr tard steals a /tg/ joke
>whole thread is anons predicting the end of the world

>>51963770
>you spend too much time browsing and not playing,

No gaming is better than bad gaming anon

>>51950300
t. bloke at the pub

>>51963907

So just give up and die? You must be fun at par- last stands.

I sorta feel you. I used to be super mad about stuff like that, kinda still do, but I've realized that being mad about this stuff just creates stress.

One day you will be dead and the living will like new things and that's okay bro, it's just how it is. Just spend your time enjoying the now because it's never getting better.

>>51953830
I could tell right away when I saw "long post with no line breaks bragging about how he's the best DM in a hundred-mile radius". Using the statement "I'm a great DM, all my players love me" is his usual argument for why he's correct about whatever is being argued about.

When he first started to shitpost here, he had a tendency to post single sentences with line breaks between each one, but after someone pointed that out, he overcompensated and stopped using line breaks all together.

Someone can probably link you his blog if you want some cheap entertainment, but he might have deleted the cringy stuff he posted after getting permabanned.

>>51961143
No one stops you from enjoying the game you like IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
GAMES AREN'T TIED TO A SINGLE COMMUNITY.
It's the communities that are tied to a single game.

>>51963770
I play twice a week, friend. And I am 5'11" 140 lb skeleton mode. As for "starved for decent interaction," that is up to the opinion.

>>51964160
not an argument

>>51964568
>>51953970
>>51953930
>>51953909
Thank you anons! Foreknowledge is helpful.

>>51963907
any gaming is better than no gaming anon

>>51964568
When some-one is the best GM in any mile radius, yet cant show how much fun 'fun rping' is over 'lolrndm rping' to newbies to the game with the skill set he aquired over several lifetimes it shows that he isnt a good GM at all

>>51955612
~t. Anecdote

I mean, you're the common factor. Maybe you need to move in different circles.

>>51970961
t. you're full of shit and have no counterargument.

My sample size is probably large enough to be statistically significant.

>>51972457
>My sample size is probably large enough to be statistically significant.
This is the funniest shit I've read all day. It makes me want to slap your maths teacher in the face, though.

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>>51950031
Shit-tier, bro, here's a better one.

>>51950300
>Reminds me of all the European women calling for more and more Muslims to be let into the country because they wanted that Haji meat. Then fifty of them got run over by a truck.

It always comes back to this, doesn't it? "Women are filthy, filthy whores who'll sleep with anyone but MEEEEE."

Get thee hence.

>>>/r9k/

>reads thread
Shit, it's like Australian Smissmas here.

2 cents into the fire: I think the people who gets buttdevastated when other people have the wrong kind of fun is like some moslem here who saw a catholic eating pig, and immediately go to them and say 'but that's haram!'

Sheeit nigga, yes it's haram for moslems, but do you have to really push it to other religions that don't have the same concept?

Same with fun, fun is subjective, because one kind of fun is haram to you doesn't mean it's haram to others. Don't be an extremist!

>>51951367
>Why do you choose to be weak, when you could be strong?
And how would one 'choose to be strong' in this situation? Whining impotently about badwrongfun on 4chins? Writing angry letters to WotC that boil down to 'STOP MAKING YOUR GAME IN ACCORDANCE TO MARKET VALUES JUST PANDER TO ME AND ME ALONE REEEEEEE"?

Being an obnoxious cunt that no one wants to play with?

>>51963340
People don't denounce everything further left than the Fuhrer as 'degenerate'. That's what tends to cause comparisons to Tumblr, in my experience.

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>>51952400
>Sort of like how your dick gets bigger the more times a girl sucks on it.

>>51952627
>less than half of the people getting into a game did so because they heard about it in mainstream media.

Ignoring how difficult it would be to accurately figure out exactly why someone purchased a product (in real life the majority of people don't chat up the cashier/clerks and provide expositional dialogue); ignoring the fact that Stranger Things came out roughly half a year ago so you clearly had either only been working at that game store for a short period of time or you're totally full of shit when you say that a large portion of your clientele cited Stranger Things as a reason for purchasing the game; you're still left with the fact that roughly half of the people getting into the hobby are apparently getting into it for 'the right reasons', since only "almost 50%" are getting it for what you have apparently decided are the wrong reasons.

You're possibly the biggest, whiniest faggot I can currently remember ever running into on 4chan.