Warhammer Fantasy General

>>51849836
I never noticed how spooked his horse is

>>51849858
There is also corpses in water if you look in armybook.

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TWW knights errant have bascinets instead of tophelms like 5th edition.

>>51850084
Bascinets are cool, though.

>>51849836
>>51849888

There's a fucking skellington right in the water in front of the sword-tossing git facing him, look closely

>>51849815
Not muh headcanon.

>>51849566
>M'Lady edition

*tips grail*

>>51850137
There's skeletons everywhere.

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Last day for Oldhammer minis by Oldhammer sculptors.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/674003445/kev-adams-tim-prow-oldhammer-goblin-miniatures

Interesting ambush ideas for wfrp?

>>51850821
A fun one if you have a noble or a knight in your party is to encounter a stubborn knight-errant who demands a joust from a proper-bred party member - in the name of good sport. Of course, all the ruckus attacks a gaggle of beastmen.

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>>51850815

Don't you mean knock-off minis from the 90s made by Warhammer sculptures? Anyway, if I wanted some Kev Adams minis I'd just get some of his newer stuff.

>>51850884
Oh, that's great

>>51849836
I need more bretonnia art of that quality please.

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>>51850989

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Out of all the 6th edition army books, Bretonnia was always my favorite even though I never owned a single one of their models.

>>51850989
That guy must scream something really embarrassing if the knight looks at him with such disdain.

>>51851122
>That guy must scream something really embarrassing if the knight looks at him with such disdain.

He probably just doesn't like the smell.

>>51850821
Here's one I did: PCs on a mostly-abandoned side road encounter the burnt out remains of a toll house and a stone bridge. Before they can cross, a goblin wearing a filthy uniform and speaking atrocious Reikspiel hops out and demands they pay a toll 'to dat big Emprer git.' He accepts payment in food, preferably meat, preferably freshly-slaughtered; a donkey, for example, would be quite ideal. If the PCs attack him or try to dodge the toll, he starts screeching and summons his buddy, a troll that has been napping of boredom under the bridge.

>>51851265
Ohhh fuck. This is an great idea. Totally going to do this.

>>51851319
This was rather less inspired, but while sailing up the Aver in foggy weather, I had them flanked and attacked by river pirates, who announced their presence with a shotgun blast of arrows from either side of their boat

>>51851413
My personal favorite so far was part of a larger quest. PCs were headed back to civilization through the fores, and came across some 'stealthy' orcs disguised as a bird, a bush, and a tree. When the PCs costanzaed at them, they attempted to add an air of realism to their 'disguises.' The bird orc started squawking in a cockney accent. The bush orc shook his branches in the nonexistent wind. The tree orc, thinking quickly...started yelling "tree, tree!" That is, until the bush orc punched him in the face and screamed that trees don't talk.

While the players were witnessing this debacle, a group of goblin skirmishers working with the orcs snuck up from the flanks.

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Reminder that Archaos is just the Death Dealer for kids.

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>human
>knights

They learn to point a lance in gallop and think themselves noble.

>>51851961
Welp, that's a guanranteed replies.

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>>51851961
Are you still sobbing and jacking off to my pics, brother?

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>>51851981
they won't even joust on dragons.

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>>51852022
I don't think about you at all.

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>>51852050
You can't joust if your lance is flabby, brother.

>>51851538
This is great idea. How did it end?

>>51851114
In terms of aesthetics and art layout it and the VC book are my favourites.

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>>51852100
How long do they spend plucking Daemonette barbs out of your ass and washing the Norseman stink off your breath before you can parade down the main slum of the capital?

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>>51852221
I know it can be rough in Ulthuan, having your tissues and vaseline only but oh cmon, you could come up with some original kinks, brother! I guess I can't blame you for having wet dreams about it.

>>51852170
The PCS got lucky and heard the goblins approaching due to good rolls, and quickly counter-attacked. The party's Bretonnian knight (who is a story all his own...) engaged the orcs, killing one and badly wounding another. At that point animosity kicked in and his bro buried a choppa in his head before getting Bretonnia'd.

That storyline was full of all kinds of feats. The party's Storm veteran, who literally has no fucks to give, taunted the (unusually clever) warboss into attacking prematurely by mostly appealing to his nobs. Then he stood down a charge from the warboss, dodged his charge, JUMPED IN THE SADDLE WITH HIM (massive penalty), and later put him on death's door with a triple Ulric's fury.

>>51852335
Ohhh shit. We need a storytime.

>>51851961
>Elven knights
>ran away piasing themselves in fear from dwarfs, btfo at every turn

>Bretonnian knights
>stood their ground and died fighting despite discovering that their entire faith was a lie

>>51852335
>>51852348
Anything but what these two guys are doing.

>>51852353
>Blood Knights
>fight only for themselves and to become better and better

Vamps always win

>>51852363
Explain.

>>51852396
I worded that wrong, please do something else than what these two roleplayers are doing. Like story-time.

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>>51852273
Sorry, masturbating in silence while the king fucks my mother, sisters, wife, daughters, and his mother isn't my fetish.

>>51852380
As I recall the Vamps, Elves, and a few Brets stood together in the end.

Byt yeah, most of Bretonnia pitched a hissy and died running.

>>51850084

Fine with me. Reserve the ornamentation for those who've made it.

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>>51852482
I am sorry that happens to you, brother. Maybe you could rebel against the Phoenix King? It's disgusting.

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>>51850884

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>>51852529
Its no wonder your king has to cuckoo you all. Given the theft of infants you, how shall I say this politely, are firing your arrows into walls instead of the target.

I wonder if that's why you lot seem to love the Griffon and Dragon Gates so.

>>51849566
Hey anons, do anyone have a good high res map of the Warhammer World? Google don't help me, there is nothing with more than 1000*1000 pixels.

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>>51852673

>>51852700
Thanks a lot!

>>51851554

He really isn't though.

>>51852700

What exactly lives in the Southern Wastes? Is it demon infested?

>>51852953
it says so on the map. According to Archaon, the "true Beastmen" live there, because they are pure without the tain of human, which kind of begs the question how exactly something can be a pure Beastman, without any Human in it. It would only be a Beast(of Chaos?) then, not a Pure Beastmen.

That brings us to the conclusion that Archaon is a fucking retard.

>>51852953
Shitloads of beastmen.

>>51853031
>That brings us to the conclusion that Archaon is a fucking retard.

Not big surprise.

>>51851961
Hey Elves, where are all your dragon knights, huh? I don't see many dragons! I just see dressed-up horses!

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>>51853416
Please don't tease the Caledorians, they are easily triggered.

Dragon was their lifestyle choice.

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Sometimes, I wish that the Dark Elves were the main big bad instead of Chaos, since they feel more believable in some ways compared to 'we are all powerful and everything you could possibly do strengthens us.' But they also feel rather generic as an evil faction in some ways, and their society is not very well looked at - they seem lazy and shiftless, forcing everything onto slaves.

>>51851554
Nah. The Deathdealer is cool.

>>51853588
Basically Moorcock.

You guys hear they are making Moorcock cartoons?

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>>51853693
That's news to me.

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Drawfag delivered in the Drawthread.

>>51853790
>drawn with pointy ears
Moorcock must be rotating in his empty grave.

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>>51853588
I think Chaos could have been better villains if they had remained chaotic. Insanity made flesh instead of "Evil Warriors".

>>51853988
chaos lost a lot of it's charme when it's #1 concern became uniting under a single flag and marching south.

>called Chaos
>single largest collection of cultures, races, individuals and sentient creatures working together for a common goal
>every other century an Everchosen comes along who unites all the tribes

fucking hell I mean the Chaos wastes are more often united than the Empire at this point.

>>51853988
>Got cucked by nurgle midget

>>51854672
I honestly don't quite get it. It clearly describes everyone else as being dead already. Why would the head player be a dick and go 'ha ha I'm gonna steal your wife' when she's dead? Even a sick Nurgleite fuck who doesn't mind necrophilia can't really take her as his wife.

>>51853985
but melniboneans do have pointy ears

>>51854747
The author is just projecting his cuck fetishes.

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>>51853985
I don't think he cared for most Elric art anyway.

>>51854768
Sorry, just started reading some Moorcock. Do they really? With his own words?

>>51854797
From an interview I took it that he indeed does. Though he might have talked shit.

>>51854747
>>51854774
https://youtu.be/OIrTTv_Isho

This will explain everything.

>>51854200
This.

Chaos has less division than anyone but Slann.

>>51854823
elric is said to have "pointed, lobeless ears"
so yes
with his own words

>>51854747
>>51854672
It's a reference.

>>51852273
rip warhammer online

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>>51855153
I like slann when they are divided for stupidly hilarious reasons.

>mfw remembering that lord hua hua was right all along and had a horrible and dishonourable death

it could also be cool to see sotek cultists act a little against some plans of the slann

>>51854823
I heard that Corum is better than Elric. Is this true?

>>51853031

Well by 'Beastman' they mean a beast that walks upright. So if he means the ancestors of the Beastmen then I suppose he's right.

>>51853693

They'll be shit.

If somebody told me they were making a Warhammer movie I would completely avoid it.

>>51853588
>>51853988

I don't know why people keep seeing Chaos as monolithic. Chaos encompasses all these different angles.

>>51854747
Do you wanna' be my wife?

Ah, this is just a saga now.

>>51856530
But Beastmen are just Chaos mutants. "True Beastmen" are just mutated animals, and Beastmen in the Old World have that.

He's clearly referring to some kind of Daemon like a dumbass.

>>51856640
They tell us it does.
Then show that it doesn't.

Chaos needs a bit of a punchup, less than Orcs, to establish who's in charge then lead a unifed force.

>>51856640
>I don't know why people keep seeing Chaos as monolithic

Because it's mostly presented as such.

Interesting npc character ideas that are not overused? For wfrp2ed

>>51857448
>Interesting npc character ideas that are not overused? For wfrp2ed

A dwarf that thinks he's an elf.

>>51857468
Why tho

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>>51857448
A dwarf ranger who escaped from skaven captivity. Hideously scarred, burned, and mutilated, he can no longer even grow a beard or hair. His hatred outshone his shame, and he refused to take the slayer oath, as most in his position might. A permanent vagabond, he has instead fashioned a beard from extremely fine iron links, fixed to his face with piercings. He adds one for every skaven he kills. While an expert in fighting the skaven, he is generally unwelcome in polite dwarfen society: not just because his refusal to take the slayer oath, his horrible mutilation, or because of his past as a ranger (a dubious group to most dwarfs), but because he seems to have been changed in some fundamental and unpleasant way. Nothing really brings him joy any more besides hunting and killing skaven, and torturing the occasional captive.

>>51856716

The way I see it, 'true beastmen' are chaotically mutated animals. Perhaps penguins idk. Beastmen are the same, but their line has been diluted by consensual sex with the local slapper. A Demon is something separate, warp made flesh.

Archaon was a former imperial citizen so for him he uses the term beastman to refer to these animals whether there's any man in them or not.

>>51857935
This is great, especially one of my players is a dwarf whom clan was cursed to lose all hair.

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>>51857468

>>51856738
>>51856743

But it isn't really? It may be in the army book because that is a tool to make a wargaming army. If you were to read any novel or any of the RPG material it would present a different story.

I saw some of you guys talking about a Nippon army last thread.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084608523/dragon-empire-tabletop-army/description

Seems right up your street.

>>51858188

Pretty sure that was mentioned in the last thread.

>>51857448
A master magister of the Bright College who, before being discovered, was a dockyard thug. He still has a real talent for cracking skulls and is built like an ogre, though he's normally fairly mellow (just don't piss him off). His face and neck still bear Altdorf dock gang tattoos.

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>>51858238

Ah sorry I didn't read it all.

Looks fairly similar to the GW style.

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>>51857448
A Druchii corsair who abandoned ship and swam to shore after a mutiny on her vessel went against her. She's taken up a career as an ostensible freedom fighting outlaw, claiming to anyone who cares to be one of the Asrai, but her main concern is making captives of knights and having her sport with them. She's developed a particular interest in grail knights (and what, if anything, sets them above normal human trash), and would gladly use a party of foreign suckers to lure one into her clutches for gradual disassembly.

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>>51857448
A Bretonnian knight-errant slain by and resurrected by the dying curse of a necromancer he hunted to the ends of the earth. Preserving his body with spices and bandages, he goes about in hauberk and helm. Ashamed of what he has become and fearing what might be done if he returns to his folk, he roams the countryside as an outlaw knight, throwing himself into forlorn hopes and lost causes, dying and returning again, hoping that the Lady will lift the curse.

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>>51857448
A Kislevite woman who owns and operates a hotel along a major river (the Aver, the Talabec, the Reik). Fairly classy if a bit gloomy, most of the time, it only does modest business. During harvests, festivals, etc, it tends to be full up, often with out-of-towners. No one notices the occasional disappearance of a traveler, or finds out what happens to them: the hotel's proprietress has been extending her life for decades, using a bizarre form of Cathayan necromancy to 'steal' parts from sufficiently healthy individuals. The hotel is the latest con in a long series of schemes to acquire specimens.

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To the guy who posted that link to Dave Gallagher's collection. Do you have any more link to other Warhammer artists?

Which edition of WHFRP is the "best"?

>>51859873
2nd

>>51858013
Except Beastmen are mutants, mutated animals, and the children of both.

Unless he means penguins, he's a retard.

>>51858087
Not really. Almost nowhere other than backstory shows Chaos against itself, in all "modern day" lore it unites. Not even just for Archaon, any time an event occurs Chaos unites. Mordheim, Storm of Chaos, End Times, Warhammer Online, and so on.

Unless its an event that means absolutey nothing and is a footnote, Chaos is united.

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>>51858282
I prefer Kensei minis.

>>51860219
There's one counter-example. Most accounts have skaven as being animals that became like men, rather than men who became like animals.

>>51860260
Making Archaon even more of a retard.

This guy shits on Greater Daemons and literally becomes a Chaos God who spits in the faces of Chaos Gods while stealing the domains of others afterwards, but is bothered by some kind of super Beastmen unique to areas with no humans.

Seriously, Archaon really still has the mind of an Empire peasant.

>>51855598
It's alive again, look up "Return of Reckoning" in the OP.

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>>51860337

Archaon was elected to lead, not to read. He's a champion of chaos not a librarian.

>>51860570
Isn't the entire purpose of his helmet making him more intelligent?

Does anyone know where you can get an ISO of the CD that had the first 100 copies of White Dwarf?

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>>51857448
A, unorthodox Sigmar priest that travels the empire smiting foes of the empire and goes around saying prayers like pic related.

>>51860219
beastmen are humans + animals
true beastmen are daemons + animals

>>51862821

He also comes from Nordland.

>>51859204
nope

>>51852700
>Lost City of the Old Ones
I suddenly have a burning need for them to tell us more about this.

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So I understand that the editions for Warhammer are usually grouped into three "eras," those being 1-3, 4-5, and 6-8. How are the miniatures themselves grouped into terms of eras/timeframes?

>>51863873
I would say that 8'th edition is its own era.

In which book is Tuula Bloodhair mentioned and where can I find artwork of her?

>>51864218
>I would say that 8'th edition is its own era.

I wouldn't, what with even in the end some of the armies still having 6th edition rule books.

>>51863873
6th is its own era in terms of rules.

7/8 have not much in common in rules but can be grouped together in terms of style.

>>51863873
Nobody groups 6th with 7 and even less with 8.

>>51861327
Apparently the purpose of his helmet is to steadily grow its horns.

>>51861327
>tfw too intelligent to use logic and reason

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Does WFB have an artbook like 40k does with their Clint Langley stuff and others?

Also, has anyone here saved the WAR online gallery of high res artwork for the game that was originally hosted by Mythic on their own, before they got shut down and replaced by Bioware, who took it down promptly?

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>>51861327
In terms of intelligence and wisdom Archaon is basically the Aqua of Warhammer.

>>51864890
https://mega.nz/#!6VAAGTgK!OTTv7fCcPfnfMaRerAAFkMgSImIm7dpFduVvXL0kzyc

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>>51865445
Not even that guy, but thanks!

>>51861327
it was boosted from underwhelming to mediocricy.

>>51865445
Neato burrito

>>51865445

I fucking love you.

>>51863292
We know practically nothing, it's just a name on the map and an empty city in ruin.

oxayotl was a turist there for a short stop during his return voyage from the realm of chaos.

>>51862888
That's still Beastmen of the Old World.

>>51867322
all beastmen are equal but some are more equal than others

>>51867334
especially when they got horns. The bitches love them some horns

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>>51855691

How would Pepe civil war in the WFB universe look like?

>>51867361
Two frogs sitting across two continents yelling REEEEEEEEE while the landmasses are toppled

>>51856127
It's much the same.

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>>51867394
>fucking First Generation get off my spellplane REEEEEEE!

>>51867334
I think Archaos is just scared of penguins.

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>>51867636
Empire should start arming them, then the dark powers will shit themselves.

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>>51867654
>Empire Pengberdiers attack from the east
>Tzeentch's Pengaemons reinforce him from the north
>Elven Penguin Knights attack from the west
>The greenskin Penguinapaults aevamce from the south

>Everchosen's face when

>>51867361
Imagine every type of argument that has ever graced 4chan, magnified with such autistic efficiency and magical prowess that a discussion on whether to intentionally cast rain over an area of jungle that has seen an unplanned scarcity of precipitations by a few mm will drag on decades to decide the percentage of other elements to thin, track back the origins of the malfunctions of the weather, get derailed to /chaospurge/posting by the awakening younger generations, devolve into canon wars over what's the correct or the best set of plaques to follow, which between the correct and the best set should be followed, citations requests, refuting of implications until either the discussing parties go to sleep, each undertake their own actions ignoring the discussion, the huahua-poster gets banned or they all get derailed again by another slann joining the chatroom to request opinions on what he heard one of the younger races say about how to reproduce.

all the while the skinks try to interpret the wills of their lords and larp the argument to a conclusion themselves.

>>51853031
>According to Archaon, the "true Beastmen" live there

Archaon didn't name them, retard. The novel did. You know WHY they are called beastmen? Because unlike unpure beasts of the northen lands that become more bestial and ugly as they gain more corruption and favor from the gods, the True Beastmen evolve from being bestial monsters into handsome and human as gain favor from the gods. It's an inverse situation here. It's furries evolving humans with some animal features aka Beastmen.

I should kick your ass for not reading the novel before taking about it.

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>>51867915
Posting the related text because nobody here likes to fact text and you are all furries.

>Other changes inflicted by the horde’s time in the Realm of Chaos were more dramatic. The perverse, warping effects of their immersion had stripped the half-breeds of their bestial natures. Snouts had receded, horns had willowed and thick fur had fallen out. While they were still daemon-sired fiends, their animal appetites, thick tongues and the dullness of their brute minds were gone. These were beasts who had transformed into men. Manfiends, who while still small mountains of barbaric muscle, were now things of human cunning and infernal spite– quick of mind and fleet of hoof. Ograx the Great was still an imposing wall of brawn, wielding his fearful skull-axe, but like the horde he led, the creature had forgotten the foetid savagery of a former life in the Southern Wastes. While the lower half of his body was living brass, his powerful legs were engraved with Ruinous symbols, fretwork and decoration. His infernal features and crown of horns might now have been described as darkly handsome and were truly those of a prince.

>>51867915
So in other words Archaon is a furfag who hates Sigmar over fursecution of his lifestyle choice.

>>51868063
Literally e621.

>>51860219
How would disunited chaos ever be relevant to the other armies? They have to unite periodically to be a threat

>>51868083
>>51868083
>So in other words Archaon is a furfag who hates Sigmar over fursecution of his lifestyle choice.

No, you just cannot distinguish between Beastmen and Manbeasts, True Beastmen and ordinary Beastmen.

Southern Beastmen are the real beastmen because they are Beasts that transform in body and mind into men. They lose their dullwitted savagery for human cunning and inviting handsome features.

Normal "Beastmen" only get more bestial and inhuman as they progress in the corruption ladder. They should be called Man-beasts since they are beasts with faint resemblance to humans. In fact, a lot of Beastmen are humans who transformed into beasts.

It's the difference between Batman and Manbat.

>>51868088
>Infinite forces
>1/4 is too small to be a threat to anyone

>>51868171
Except that Beastmen in the OW are not just humans turned beast, they are beasts turned human as well.

You're saying "true Beastmen" are just humans evolved from animals instead of from space lizard magic.

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Name your favorite ten factions.

This can be as specific as "Grimgor's Immortulz", as inclusive as "Estalians", or as broad as "Daemons". You don't need to have collected them. Just whatever you like.

>>51864412

In terms of rules 8th is basically a modified 6th edition, 6th edition rules were still in service in 8th.

>>51865445
Thanks man that's a great find.

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What's everybody's favourite Empire colour scheme? I'm can't decide on a scheme.

I'm stuck between Averland, Ostland, Ostermark, Nuln and Altdorf. I really like Ostland's lore but monochrome is a bit uninspiring, when your painting landsknechts you want to be doing bring colours in my opinion.

>>51868538
Belegar and friends
My slaaneshi champion Scho and his retinue
Mousillion
Chaos dwarves
Clan skurvy skaven
Night goblins
The tzeentch warband in one specific realm of chaos story
The slayer cult
Ostenmark
Knights panther

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>>51869545
Black and gold is patrician so Averland.

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>>51869545
Ostland is the one true army

Also remember you can always add different colors to specific regiments

>>51869672

Yeah I do quite like Averland/Averheim.

If I did Nuln I would probably also do them black and red quartered.

Where its mentioned that bretonnian peasants are forbidden to worship Lady?

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>>51868487
>not just humans turned beast, they are beasts turned human as well.

Ahhh...butt here is a difference. These guys mated with each other over many generations resulting into the mongrel beastmen races of the Old World. They are tainted by human linage and thus an inferior breed. They continue to devolve into animals as they progress through their lives.

True Beastmen have ZERO human blood in them. They are descendants of animals and daemons mating. They are a superior breed due to the fact that they don't have human blood tainting their genepool. These guys evolve into being more human in both form and intelligence. They become handsome and beautiful. If they weren't living in a daemonic hellhole of the Southern Pole, this master race that has the strength of the mongrel Beastmen and the intelligence of humans, would have dominated the world a long time ago.

>space lizard magic.

No Seraphon magics were used in the creation of both breeds of Beastmen.

>>51850989
Are those Norscan Dwarfs?

>>51870031
Except Beastmen are constantly joined by more mutants, manbeasts, and beastmen.

The only "strength" of them is evolution from Chaos mutant flightless birds to men rather than the Old Ones evolving some unintelligent creature into humans then Chaos mutation happening.

tl;dr evolution is the master race, intelligent design is for ugly retards according to GW

Malekith's dragon is in no way related.

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>>51869545
I personally prefer Averland or Wissenland. Wissenland can look good if you work it right, but Averland never fails.

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>>51869545
Bogenhafen, because purple and nostalgia

>>51870131

Nah, that's just how Dwarfs used to look. They were more Norse and Anglo-Saxon than they are now. Now they're kind of pure fantasy with some Celtic shit stuck on their amour.

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>>51870161

Yeah I was always leaning towards Averland, I have a model of Leidorf as well which is handy. A lot of people seem to pick Averland but I suppose you only get a chance to do yellow with Empire in Fantasy.

>>51870334
There's Mousilion for the Brets, but I get what you mean.

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>>51869545
why all of them of course.
and hochland.

>>51870231
Aighto

>>51870231
You know that image isn't very old, right?
It's not actually warhammer, it's a private commission.

There's also nothing Norse or Anglo-Saxon about them. Maybe the round shields. Everything else is basically fantasy despite looking reasonably plausible.

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So my group has started playing Mordhiem, love it. I'm playing Beastman Raiders but I noticed that they dont have the band on battlescribe. Any plans to put all the warbands on 'scribe? I noticed the broken ass fan made lizadman band is on there

I dont have a printer otherwise i'd do all my bookeeping on the sheet

>>51870031
Beastmen have nothing to do with daemons

>>51868083
>So in other words Archaon is a furfag
How much more retarded can someone draw conclusions?

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>>51872528

Yep, nothing Norse looking about this image.

Yes, horns on helmets are not historically accurate but they're only associated with one group.

>>51873431

I've come to the conclusion it's Luther Huss shitposting on the colleges magical modem.

>>51873545
I hope he only visits witch hunter approved sites.

>>51873229
Normal Beastmen, yeah.

True Beastmen of the South Pole are the mortal spawn of daemons and beasts that interbreed.

Get educated you racist.

>>51872853
If you can sort of... reverse engineer how the catalogues were developed (those Mordheim ones in particular, I mean) then it isn't too difficult to create or update stuff yourself. Especially with the improvements version 2.0 brought.

However, it gets more complicated if you wanted to share them with the world the "official" way. Once you're happy with it, you make a GitHub account, then your own branch, open the catz/gstz file(s) (which are archives), copy the raw xml code, and paste it over whatever you want to update. Then you pull request and someone eventually makes it a release.

I did all the current Kings of War 2 files (I know, I know.. heresy) so I can help if you have any generic BattleScribe-y questions. I am not familiar with Mordheim, though.

>>51873691
Sounds awesome.
No wonder GW did nothing with them.

>>51873620
>visiting this place.

>>51873931

How the hell are a bunch of Demon-Penguins going to get to the Old World though?

Might make an interesting story if some one had to go there for a quest but it would be pretty far fetched and they would just look like hairy chaos spawns I imagine.

>>51874763
>How the hell are a bunch of Demon-Penguins going to get to the Old World though?


>Enter the Southern Gate Rift
>Exit in the Northern Gate Rift
>Welcome to Old World

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>>51874838

>>51874838
Speaking of this, do the Lizardmen have an easier way of getting about other than a boat?

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So in light of myself making forays into Fantasy I figured I'd try and build a fluffy Dwarf list as what's the point in being 'competitive' in a 'no longer supported' system. Plus that'd be boring as fuark.

I haven't fleshed out the points yet as I'm still reading the Dwarf army book.

Lord,
2 x 20 Warriors
20 Quarrelers,
10 Hammerers
2 Gruge Throwers

Purely for casual games on a mates green mat.

Also, does Clan Angrung have an established colour scheme?

>>51875107

What points level is this at? 1000 or 1250ish?

>>51875470
Yeah around that mark. I had 1000pts in mind but 1250 is fine. Really just for casual games as my store is majority 40k. I can always use these guys in AoS too if I feel so inclined.

>>51875470
But just off the back of that last comment I'd rather not sully them and listen to endless bitching about bases and how I can't call them Dwarves anymore.

>>51875518

Well if it's for casual games and you want just a small force I would do a few things.

I think Lords are very situational even in 2500 point lists, they're so expensive and even when built to smash-fuck they're average at it. I would stick with a Thane. You can build him how you please but don't put too many points in. This will free up quite a few points. With that I would either get more Hammerers (they're so soft, 4+ save, even at that level they may not make it into combat) or get yourself a gyrocopter for fun.

You may want to swap a grudge thrower for a cannon, just because it'll splat monsters and is just some more variety.

Great weapons on the Qurrelers and shields on the warriors I would say.

I take it you already own this stuff btw? They don't sell grudge throwers anymore is all.

>>51875107

Oh and in regards to the clan, did you mean Angrund, Ironhammers clan? If so, it's blue and gold I think.

>>51875618
Thane with a BSB?

I wanted to run a traditional dwarf army, focused on fluff and venerating the ancestors. Yeah I know that cannons are better but Grudge Throwers are cool! I get to kill Urk's with my grievances!

I own

Thane with BSB
Lord with Greatweapon
Master engineer with brace of pistols
Thorgrim Grudgebearers
Dwarf Engineer and Lord
A unit of Miners
2x Grudge Throwers

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>>51873729
I don't know anything about this kind of stuff, I guess I just wanted to bring it to the threads attention?

Thats cool that you update the KoW stuff tho

>>51875795

Alright, well since you already own them and they're good just stick with the GT.

I would add a BSB and switch the Lord to a Thane. Two typical builds are...

Thane - 65
great weapon - 6
master rune of Gromril - 30
oathstone - 25
= 126

Thane - 65
BSB - 25
shield - 3
master rune of Grugni - 60
= 153

If you stick the top one in a Hammerers unit those cunts will not move come Hell nor high water.

The rest seems good I would just try and get some more Hammerers, as I say, they die as easily as warriors even though they hit like a ton of bricks.

>>51875901
So keep the original list but have a thane instead of the Lord and have 20 Hammerers? I do have the Belegar Ironhammer model too so I could use him as a Thane on oathstone.

Warriors with shields and Quarrelers with great-weapons.

Runes of accuracy/penetrating on the Grudgethrowesr?

>>51876005

I would take both but if you have to choose, accuracy.

>>51875823
If you install it on, say, Windows, it comes with an executable named DataEditor. Run it, open one of the Mordheim catalogues (whatever you think is pretty), and save it as something new. From that, you can gleefully plagiarize your way to entirely new files, and learning a lot simply by the examples you run into. It's a really intuitive program. Most of the time spent making this stuff is just tedious data entry. Plus, you can easily backup and share the files you make with Dropbox links.

Or don't. It depends on how much it matters to you, of course. =)

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>>51876005

To be honest anon, once you add all that up I bet you aren't far away from 2000 points.

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>Picking the floppy hat loving, PJ wearing, moustache stroking, malnourished mongoloid State Trooper
>Not picking the sexy as fuck, heavily armored, sword and board, cape wearing Chaos Warrior Master Race

Step it up.

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>>51876005
hey anon could you post some juicy pics of your army?
Since you are making a fluffy fun list I'm real interested, here is a pic of some greatswords that I'm just putting the finishing touches on today next to some old dwarf I found in a box for inspiration.


>>51876571
yfw you realise your +4 chaos armour save is the same as empire dwarven forged plate armour
keep those slow moving infantry blocks coming chaos, my volley gun needs to make 5x its points

>>51876675
sure, empire dawi forged plate is equivalent to chaos armor. no one will argue that.

just point me to the troops wearing it. you know, those state troops that function as your core units, the ones that make up half of your main infantry force LIKE WARRIORS

my tzeentch disk hero is raping your volley gun by the by

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>>51876571

> Goblin green bases.

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>>51876744

> He doesn't even know Knights are in core.

So where do you want to take the 40 S4 halberd hits?

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Two questions, 6th edition, pic related.

>one

Why would I put a Necrarch vampire on a steed?

I assume I want him behind my lines or in a unit spell-slinging, near the center of my army. I've only played a few games, and having one on foot within 5" of a friendly unit (so he can't be targeted by spells or shooting) has worked out great. Am I missing some sort of advantage here? Won't he get obliterated by enemy spells and shooting if I mounted him?

>two

Warrior and power familiars. They actually require a base? If I have a character with a familiar and they join a unit, do they take up two spots?

>>51876993

To the second question, yes as far as I'm aware.

Not sure on the first question, I have no experience with 6th edition VC but I assume you're right. If you want him in a bunked you'd need a mounted one which the VC don't have. So I can see no reason to mount him. Is this a common tactic or something?

>>51877037

>If you want him in a bunked you'd need a mounted one which the VC don't have.

Sorry but what is a 'bunked?'

>Is this a common tactic or something?

No idea, I just have a spare mounted Necarch vampire and haven't used him yet for this exact reason. Trying to figure out if I'm missing something.

>>51877072

I meant 'in a bunker'.

Probably just a cool model they made, back in the good old days when it was less corporate.

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How are the dwarves still friends with the Empire again? The deeds that Sigmar did were pretty great, sure, but considering all the slights and failures to uphold alliances in the past...

Also, there's been a lot of discussion on if Chaos can affect the undead, etc. But can necromancers raise Chaotic corpses or spirits, or do the Chaos Gods have a stronger claim on them?

>>51877717
>can necromancers raise Chaotic corpses or spirits, or do the Chaos Gods have a stronger claim on them?

Krell used to be a Chaos Lord, but then again, Kemmler made a pact with the Dark Gods, but then again, Krell originally served Nagash (during his first time getting resurrected) and ultimately ended up serving Nagash again.

Hey I've been meaning to get into tabletop fantasy but from the recent introduction of Age of Sigmar I hear it's really bad. Is it still worth getting into? What are the changes because I don't understand a single thing. Apparently its been more streamlined and less fluff taken out or something, which sucks because I really love that aspect of Warhammer.

>>51877717

Dwarfs and the Empire have a similar culture, well similar compared to everything else. Humans have many loan words from Dwarfs in the lore, suggesting they took them under their wing. Humans and Dwarfs both respect the law, a Dwarf can prosecute a human in a human court if he's been wronged. You can't say that about many other races.

Lots of Dwarfs live in the Empire and they must take this into consideration when dealing with them.

Most importantly though, Humans are Dwarfs biggest customers outside their own race.

They have the odd tiff but these things always bring them back together. If they had to choose between a Human and another Dwarf though they'll general fuck over the Humans I would reckon.

>>51876675
I can't post pics of things I don't have :( I have some characters but they're not painted and the warriors ect I dont have :( . When I get on it I'll be sure to post the Dawi here in all their begrudged glory!

>>51878162
Play either the previous editions, Kings of War, or the fan-made 9th Edition from Warhammer Armies Project.

There's also 9th Age which is distinct from the aforementioned 9th Edition, and has attracted a lot of skub lately due to becoming less like Warhammer and more of its own thing with new fluff and stuff.

I thought warhammer was dead? Like, even before the end times? Are these threads just for edgelords? They get more replies than whfbg ever did.

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>>51877717

Plus, well, they are almost a key part of each others major religions/cultural norms.

For the Empire, for example, the dwarfs both fought alongside Sigmar himself and forged the symbol of his entire cult; Ghal-Maraz. For serious simarites, dwarfs are almost holy. They are certainly revered as the first people and highly respected in a country where the closest the peasantry comes to literature is being preached at that dwarfs are the shit, so they get plenty of respect.

For dwarfs, you have to understand how hard they stick to oaths and grudges. The oath of alliance they made to Sigmar is still as strong as when it was made. The dwarfs never forged such an alliance with any other race, not even the elves at the height of their alliance. Hell, not even with various clans was such an alliance forged, such was the bro-tier shit that Sigmar and Kurgan Ironbeard had together. The dwarfs would never break the alliance, lest the high king himself go full slayer mode. So it's both very practical and highly cultural to keep friendly with the Empire

>>51878349
GW is no longer updating/supporting the setting, but Oldhammer and WHFRP are still a thing, and people can proxy and play in the WHFB setting using KoW/9th Age rules anyway. And then there's the Warhammer vidya like Total Warhammer and Vermintide.

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>>51878162

AoS is a totally new universe. It carries over a lot of the aesthetics of the old one but none of the depth.

In terms of rules it's been massively simplified. It's now a skirmish game comparable to 40K but even more streamlined than that, we have four pages of rules currently.

Being honest anon, you have to play what people play in your area, but AoS is total garbage and that's putting it mildly. If they have square based armies, talk to your group about switching back to Fantasy, The 9th Age or Kings of War. Otherwise I honestly wouldn't bother until the second iteration of the Generals Handbook comes out, and even then unless they do a complete about turn it'll be another steaming pile of horse shit.

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>>51876675
darn anon, nothing painted?
Don't be shy I can't paint too well and post my stuff here!

>>51876744

>>51876906
this is irrefutable truth

knights supported by greatswords are a reality, take that chaos filth

>>51878349
total warhammer brought a wfb resurgence the likes of which were never seen, it convinced me to finally paint my models and start playing 8th
(at least regiments of renown skirmish gameset)
I've even convinved one other guy to crack out his old models (daemons of chaos) to play with me locally with a warriors of chaos and a wood elf player

Life is good.

>>51878349

1. Warhammer will never die, there are people who stopped at 3rd edition and to this day still play it.

2. I actually think now that Warhammer has become separated from GW it's become more interesting. Also, AoS is our best recruiter, one whiff of that shit and they'll run a mile.

>>51878438
>>51878452
I was being churlish and pointing out that these threads are more alive than the generals before the end times, surmising that they are for people only interested in being contrary. I would retract my comment but then

>>51878489
> I actually think now that Warhammer has become separated from GW it's become more interesting

For fuck sake.

>>51878510

I wouldn't have said this if Rick Priestly was still there.

I want nothing more than FW to pick us up as a specialist game.

>>51878510
> I was only pretending to be retarded.

>>51878536
M8, I love Rick as well and have a hard on for Andy Chambers. I would love to go back to those days but face facts. They are gone, the young un's are living those days now. Try and join in and don't spoil it.

>>51878566
>I speak in memes because I have no original thoughts

>>51878600

Rick Priestly is still writing good games though, KoW and Black Powder are great. He left because GW was fucking him around.

I really doubt the new kids are 'living those days'. I'd be surprised to see AoS still around in 5 years. If it is, it'll be a totally different game which is GW admitting through a back door that they were wrong.

I actually have a better idea than FW picking us up, sell the rights to Warlord.

>>51878451
I doubt my local GW would switch over to the previous edition, and since I'm new to tabletop I have no other friends to play the game with. Are there any other stores like GW that are reputable? I live in NYC.

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>>51878665

> GW
> Reputable

WEW

I have no idea about NYC, that's local knowledge I guess. Ask those people playing AoS they might know some clubs.

Other than that you have to be realistic, it's AoS or nothing. Just go do some demo games and see what you think.

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>>51878665
just ask anon, go to the gw stores and ask people if they would be interested in playing older editions outside the store if you have to. In the end you'd be playing the game which is what matters. Whether its gw's sweaty man dungeon or a fellow wargamers den of inequity it matters not if you are playing right?

>>51878661
I'm aware of what happened to Rick and his opinions on GW marketing taking over. That has changed though. The kids are definitely in a new renaissance of the game. Free updates and rules, constant clarifications, some of the best models ever made (though some are questionable of taste). It was like the good times of white dwarf. It is online now though. Keep up m8, If you think aos is dying then I don't know what to tell you. I find a good indicator is wip threads on any site. Look at them and you will see a lot of aos.

>>51878756

It hasn't though, GW's drop in sales is what's prompting this more open approach. As soon as they pick up or it doesn't appear to work they'll drop all this shit and try something else.

> Free rules and updates.

Really anon... I've seen free rules written by amateurs that are better than AoS.

I think the FW part of Warhammer Community is like the old WD. I actually saw them using LorT figures with 3rd party spears, which genuinely shocked me. No doubt GW will start selling them in case Chapter House gets a look in.

AoS has stabilised and probably will hobble on for some time. I just hope you like Stormcast and fighting Stormcast.

>>51878746
yeah but that gw store is really sweaty like really

small thin narrow sweaty

>>51875024
the boat is the less easy method of getting around for them

they have stargates and can conjure magical bridges to nearby islans

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>>51878452
Well, here is a Lord of Plagues I did recently.

>in4 round base

It was for a painting challenge.

>>51877895
To be fair, Khorne also scorned Krell for failure, and may have abandoned him.

>>51878412
This, tangentially, is why dwarfs do NOT make oaths lightly - because its terms are binding, period.

>download Geheimnisnacht
>mfw trying to play CK2 for the first time

>>51867361
A malevolent Slann priest devoted to screwing up the Great Work would actually be kind of neat imhotbqh.

>>51863873
5-6-7 was best era.

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>>51879916
very nice anon, Of all the bits I actually like the blue corrosion on the weapon the most

>>51878933
if that's going to be the hurge that stops you from playing anon..

>>51881337
Cheers, it's just careful application of Nihlak Oxide.

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>>51881337
hurdle rather, one of my eyes are done in anon


In better news I just finished am 8th ed regiments of renown game against a wood elf player which I won by the skin of my teeth(my first victory against her) , it turns out basically nothing in the world can beat angry dryads except one very baller inner circle knight.

Some highlights of the match included My knight dog of war chasing down some fleeing dryads into a poisoned forest, where he promptly was stung by a mosquito and perished, meanwhile Frederic(my inner circle knight preceptor, managed to hold off 4 dryads for 3 turns while on a single wound), then his relief force of 2 greatswords charged in and were slain before landing a blow on the dryads surrounding Poor Fred. He then managed to rout the fuckers and grind his way singlehandedly through the rest of the bastards.


The moral of the story is fuck dryads

Pic related is my hero, Sir Frederic and some of his mottley band

Are there any places in the states that sell warhammer fantasy at a discount, I found a few places that give a 30% discount for 40k but none for fantasy

>>51878510
There's been a small resurgence in non-AoS WHFB vidya lately. Vermintide/Mordheim/WHTW/that one naval battle thing. Might have something to do with it.

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Is there some place I could download the Warhammer Fantasy comics, all in one packaging?

>>51877717
>But can necromancers raise Chaotic corpses or spirits
No, Chaos owns the souls of their worshippers and when dead, their soul goes back to Chaos

Their remains can be animated as any other skeleton tho (Only exception being Krell, who, since he was originally animated by Nagash himself, could get a "pass")

And invoking chaos spirits, while possible, would fall into Chaos magic, which is unrelated to necromancy (or not, if the necromancer fucks it up)

>>51881337
>That pic
God I wish the siege battles were better. There's no strategy to them now; you just bash yourself against the front of the walls until you break through or get pushed back; no opportunity to flank or act tactically or anything! And the little settlements don't even get their own maps!

>>51876153
Aight ill look into it this weekend

>>51878162
Only get into whatever is locally avaliable in your meta.

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>>51883584
so do I anon, there is some hope though so don't despair.
Try one of the following.
you could grab a steam mod which tweaks siege a little, for example 80% tower hp makes the siege towers actually killable if they are focus fired before they hit the walls (just) and that makes sieges a tad better. also a general nerf to wall/tower hp of 20-35% leaves you with walls that can actually be destroyed in segments by yourself or the ai without completely wiping out the ammo of 3 siege units (eg one empire cannon could take out 2 wall 'segments' and a tower before it runs dry.
made sieges a decent amount better for me, at least more dynamic and less outrageously easy to defend(as the ai can actually destroy walls now.

Addionally anon we have option 2, pray. With the 29th feb bringing ca supporting campaign BATTLE map editing to the map editor(since community cracked it and they were in damage control) we have the abilility to at the very minimum, 'paint' areas on the map to make them load a certain battle map, which you can have alter depending on faction who owns it (think if you fight in high chaos corrupted lands sometimes battle map gets all spikey)
from there hopefully CA releases some SIEGE map editing tools so we can make some real cities with multiple defences (the ai is pretty shit though so good luck with getting them to work intelligently (just look at sieges normally)

3. I believe 2 of the human/dwarf siege map 'layouts' have an actual bit of variation, raised causeways looking down immediately upon the walls you can use as a second layer of defence. at least these maps have some variety.
I think a lot of the problem with ca's current design is that walls are so outright indestructable that it is NEVER advisable to fall back into the city at any stage. I thought by decreasing wall hp it would subvert that

also why can't giants attack walls(its actually unmoddable too, god knows I've looked for hours through every damn database)

>>51873691
Fimir with PR.

>>51884956
Is this female period allegory?

>>51878349
Honestly, there hasn't been any decent release since 2010 for WHFB. Now that GW abandonned it, KoW and 9th age are rising and third party mini makers can pump out minis without real competition from GW.

>>51876993

The only faction who want a mounted mage are Elves, as they can usually mount it on a fast cavalry unit, and troll the opponent running circles around him

>>51884956
I bet witch elves sacrifice their "moonblood" to Khaine too.

>>51878665
>GW stores are reputable
It's not the early 00s anymore

>>51884956

>at least until the skaven blow it up

>>51868538
#10 Clan Eshin
#9 Chaos Dwarfs
#8 Dwarfs
#7 Dark Elf Navy
#6 Clan Moulder
#5 DE Cult of Khaine
#4 Order of the Grey Seers
#3 Wood Elves
#2 Clan Skryre
#1 Brets

>>51884956
Congratulations, you got yourself some easy (You)'s.

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>>51876906
Summon the elector counts desu.

>>51858449

>implying an elf god would ever help

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The Warcraft games were going to be adaptations of Warhammer Fantasy but GW mishandled licensing, leading the Blizzard team to create their own setting. Warhammer Fantasy was also going to get its own MMO long before the emergence of World of Warcraft, but GW cut funding to the project. Warhammer Fantasy could dominate the fantasy scene today if GW had better handled the emergence of video games. They're only starting to do it now 20 years too late. Very little foresight. Failure to market the IP in other mediums probably contributed to the loss of sales of the tabletop game, ultimately leading to its cancellation. Sad.

>>51879128
Not neven necessarly nearby. When Lord Mazamundi decided to fuck shit up, he teleported his armies from temple city to temple city. Sometimes as far as the south lands.

>>51885126
Sure, why give a fuck about your own lore?
Kislev killed by Beastmen and not a male ice mage?
The Slayer Kings reduced to a joke, his oath ignored?
Flame of ulric gone for the lulz?
All eastern civs killed off screen by big orc named char that somehow got there?
Tilea and Estelia gone 'caus Skaven?
And a shitload more?
Do it, so you can trademark everything!

>>51885489

Careful on that electrolyte imbalance

>>51885489
Malekith wasn't killed by a male sorcerer like he was supposed to be, either.

>>51881337

> That wall design.

Brilliant. Let's just make ourselves a weeks extra work for fuck all lads.

>>51852700
I remember getting this from White Dwarf around the 300th issue...good times

>>51885790
According to AoS shills, he "died" and was reborn as a dragontaur because of Teclis. Or that Malekith king of the Dark Elves died and Malekith the Everking was born because of Teclis. Or that it meant he metaphorically killed himself.

Or whatever their IDF is.

>>51852700

Lumbria? Where is that? Is there more land east of Nippon?

>>51886183
No one knows, one anon presumed its misspelled in universe Lustria.

>>51885137
I just wanted to post some fluff, keep the thread alive. I figured people would've taken more offense to 'that's the elvish way.'

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Has anyone looked at Kislev in Total Warhammer? Does it have unique units or anything like that?

>>51886762
Its Empire placeholder as other minor human nations.

>>51886067
well, he should've literally killed himself
fuck this hysterical manchild of an elf, he never deserved to be a king

>>51885097

Wouldn't Dark Elves and Goblins do that as well?

Wait, should I maybe be putting this guy in a unit of Dire Wolves?

>>51886762
In the fluff, they have

-attack bears spurred into frenzy by Ursun priests
-Ursun priests themselves, 200% masculine Ulric/Taal style god. (Dazh, a fire/light god, and Tor, a thunder god, also deserve mention)
-winged lancers
-Kossars, bowmen/two-hander infantry
-Ungol bow archers
-a tsar who was bonded so close to his bear, he could ride it like a mount
-ice priestesses wielding a magic type unique to Kislev

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>>51887148
I was hoping some of their units might have been brought into Total War, sort of like Bretonnia. I could understand Tilea and Estalia being like the Empire - aside from a few mercanaries and such, and a mentioned preference for pikes and crossbows, they haven't ever had an actual army - but Kislev actually had models and rules.

And for some reason their nation was named after a month of the Jewish calendar.

>>51887333
They were not playable in 8th edition on which game is based.

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Who was in the wrong here?

>>51887010

Dark elves count as elves, but usually pegasi are superior if you really want it mounted.

Goblins I honestly have no idea if you can mount a mage on a wolf, but if you can, it's brilliant!

the Little Waaagh has tons of useful spells, and it fits perfectly the "cheap, annoying, elusive unit" that wolf riders fill!

>>51887406
You could argue that it's the classic tale of someone who, in fighting against fate or trying to avoid it, actually brought it about. In that case, no one is really in the wrong - Archaon, willing or not, was going to do what he was going to do all along. Even if Sigmar had spoke, it would have been somehow twisted.

But it was also really badly written to have Belakor have a reset button to force the prophecy to happen, in cases where it otherwise would not have. So it was not actually a thing of fate, it was the machinations of Chaos. Things would not have managed to go differently, because Belakor would start things over every time that happened. (Why he didn't just make it so that Chaos won against the Elves early on and devoured the world early is beyond me).

>>51887381
Doesn't matter, players badly want them.

>>51887466
>Why he didn't just make it so that Chaos won against the Elves early on and devoured the world early is beyond me

The Chaos Gods punished him remember. They stripped him of his power, mind, and body. He had to build himself up from literal nothing.

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>>51887406
>pssssh, good and evil are made up, kiiiiiiiid

>>51852700
>That artic landmass tho.

Is it wrong that I wanted to see what possible armies/fluff GW could have made with this landmass?

>>51887010
Gob mages are cheap and gambly. You take a shitload, so investing more points that could go into another Gobcaster is a waste.

Dark Elves don't have the mobility army-wide High Elves do.

>>51887406
Oedipus/Voldemort/Uriel Septim and so on.

Anytime a prophesy is the reason for what you do, its your own fucking fault what happens.

>>51887502
Chaos time isn't linear. They stripped him of his power, and he had it again. They happened at the same time, in all time.

Whatever state Chaos has been in it has always been in, like Schrodinger's Cat is always "C) All Of The Above".

>>51887381
>>51887333
I really hope TW:WH being based on 8th edition doesn't mean they can't include stuff from earlier editions.

>>51887770
Tzeentch is said to be the Master of the Timestream and one one of the joys of his Tzeentch is pushing down Be'lakor and thwarting him. So probably Tzeentch is busying himself with foiling Be'lakor in infinite timelines.

>>51888012
Then Be'lakor should never have gotten that power back. He either has it at all points or doesn't.

Its that same argument we keep having. Show, don't tell. Chaos is stated to be timeless and non-linear, but we always are presented with cause, effect, and passage of time.

>>51888054
>>51888054
>Then Be'lakor should never have gotten that power back.

But it served Tzeentch's purpose. Archaon and the Chaos Gods manipulated Be'lakor into creating Archaon for them. The Chaos Gods are omnipotent in the Warp. If they proclaimed in unity that Be'lakor be cursed and then he would be cursed in all possible timelines. Tzeentch was full aware of Be'lakor's little ploy with Archaon that's why you see him preparing Archaon with knowledge and the means to break his bondage to his Father-in-Darkness.

Also you forgot something. Due to the realm that they live in and what they are made of, the Chaos Gods are hopelessly mad. Some argue that they aren't even sentient.

>>51884956

> 6 armed monkey warriors.

You've got my attention.

>>51888186
Meaning Tzeentch is the reason Archaon's fall was bullshit.

Same point.

>>51885790
But he was.

Teclis exploding with ritual killed him.

>>51885163

> Erection intensifies.

Nice collection anon, fuck knows how much dust is on it though.

>>51887921
I think they're willing to be a little more imaginative than that. They're already making some stuff up for Bretonnia's sake, and the lore seems overall solid. Though for some reason Todbringer is not falling in line for Franz.

>>51888222
Tzeentch is all powerful but he doesn't have the power to suppress freewill. Archaon fell because he choose to fall (and the fact that Sigmar didn't rescue him. What the hell, sigs?). Tzeentch moved things along but he nor Be'lakor made the choice for Kastner. Archaon's own outrage at being abandoned and his pride made the choice for him.

This is what Valten and Sigmar tried to tell Archaon.

>>51888304

It's always been implied that the Ulrician Northerners can get quite butthurt over Southern Sigmarites.

>>51888401
Oh yes, that's never been in doubt. But from what I've read, Todbringer went from being one of Franz's rivals before he was elected, to being a fast friend after.

>>51888449

I think Total War is supposed to be set shortly after Franz's coronation.

I actually think it made Todbringer quite interesting, waiting in the wings to secede and make Midenheim the capital.

>>51887406
Wait. The mere fact that he is gonna be the chosen of Chaose made him turn sides?
I thought he read about some important secrets, that shattered his world view?

>>51888498
That, and some serf in Altdorf got his Altnuggets order wrong and it pushed him over the edge.

>>51888248
He's still alive, he never died. End Times ends whith him pinned under his dragon and AoS begins with him having fused with it.

>>51888320
Archaon fell because Be'lakor reset the many many many many many times he didn't until a coin landed on its side, because Tzeentch willed it.

Fucking. Bullshit.

>>51888498
Every time he did something to avert the prophesy he turned the page and it was him doing that thing like the television scene in Spaceballs.

Everyone wanted to kill him in the warrior order that raised him.

Finally he made a last ditch effort to pray to Sigmar and got nothing so he went "fuck it".

Then he tried to kill himself but found out Be'lakor won't let him.

So he found out there is no gods, only Chaos. That was supposed to make him a willing Everchosen, instead it made him want to destroy EVERYTHING to become an omnipotent god and start reality over. Implications being Archaon wins and becomes Yahweh.

>>51888575
>He's still alive, he never died. End Times ends whith him pinned under his dragon and AoS begins with him having fused with it.

But he did. The Chaos rift consumes him in the End Times. And he wasn't pinned under his dragon. Rocks fell on him as he pushed the Everqueen away trying to save her. His legs got crushed and he watched Tyrion and the Everqueen hold hands as the world ended.

And AoS says nothing about him fusing with anything.

>>51888636
Is it clear why Sigmar didn't answer his call?

Speaking of Middenheim, their Storm of Chaos models are a fucking bomb on eBay.

Do you think I could just buy a few Teutongen Guard and use them as the Champions of my units? I'll probably try and get the standard bearer as well. They're so fucking expensive.

>>51888656
That's not dying, and in AoS he merged with his dragon. That's why he looks like a Bayformer now.

>>51888698
Sigmar was trapped in the Heavens wind by Tzeentch. He was only sporadically able to send anything resembling help or a message.

Archaon didn't see it as an excuse. Sigmar wasn't what he had been told, a heroic and all-powerful enemy of the evil things of the world, so Archaon ranted about betrayal and justice and yadda yadda faggotry.

>>51888795
>Sigmar wasn't what he had been told, a heroic and all-powerful enemy of the evil things of the world
Well he was not wrong.

>>51888795
Once again, Liber Chaotica did it better. The author realizes that all divinity is essentially magic and that all magic is essentially Chaos. This causes him to lose faith.

>>51888320
Archaon fell because Archaon was weak, Archaon was evil, Archaon was a coward. He didn't warrant help from Sigmar.

>>51889024
Sigmar, pls

>>51888932
Still a bitch reason to kill everyone.

>>51889598
>>51889024
>>51888795
How can Archaon remain so petty even after looking into the void? I mean, surely you ought to lose some of your pretensions after an experience like that, not become more dickish than ever.

>>51889731
I think the idea is supposed to be that he went on a 'God is dead' tier sort of bitterness about the cruelties of the world and the lack of power of his own gods compared to the Chaos ones, and wanted to tear the whole thing down.

>>51888249
Lots sadly, I mostly play undead or nightstalkers in KoW now.

Even my dorfs see more play these days.

>>51890301

You should try and keep it in a cupboard or a display cabinet if you want to show it off.

Are the Empire equivalent terrible in KoW or something? Do you not want to ride out and smite Sigmar's enemies one last time?

>>51890393
They aren't horrible but I stated doing an undead army 2 years ago to match them and now I kinda can't stop collecting new armies.

I totally need a cabinet, right now they are just sitting on my bedroom fireplace and it's a pretty meh situation

>>51890536

Yeah I'm the same at the moment. I haven't even built my Empire army and I'm already sourcing OOP Dwarfs.

>>51852700
So what are the differences between the Kurgan and Hung? And is there anything that talks about whats down in the South Pole? And what's up with Chupayotl?

>>51891450
It's difficult to say - I think the Kurgan are more Turkish, and the Hung are more Mongolian, but obviously some things cross over in that regard, and the Kurgan have a Mongol-like relationship to Kislev's not!Russia. Some people have argued the Hung are Native American, and the Kurgan are Mongolian only, based on the Hung's vague position also in the equivalent of North America.