/hhg/ aka Horus Heresy General

First for the Twentieth.

Shitpost of the day: Which primarch has an encasement kink

Second for the second.

My space dad could beat up all your space dads.

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The rise of Praetor Punchy Fiston of the Pyrae

Can a Titan be piloted by just one individual?

>>51844964
nice marble effect

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>>51844491
>In 30k where there be AV14 and 20-man squads, what's autocannons good for? Namely a 5-man autocannon Hoovy Support squad
Autocannons are for glancing to death Predators, Rhinos, Sicarans, Dreadnoughts, and the side armour of non-Spartan superheavies.
They can also be used (if nothing better presents itself and luck is with you) to try and down fliers, since their lower strength is good against fliers, as is the number of shots they have access to.
Tank-hunter units like IF Heavies and IW Iron Havocs can pull off surprising things with the autocannon.

And when it comes to non-vehicle ground targets, their strength makes them good against monstrous creatures, S7 AP4 will decimate GEQs, and it has 12" over Heavy Bolters, possibly making up for its relative inefficiency in killing MEQs.

Truth be told, the point of the Autocannon is simply as an all-round fire support unit, jack of all trades, master of none.
I'll post an analysis of it versus the other HS weapon choices in another post.

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>>51844837
Olympian Hammers
Of cold hearts and bitter souls
Ride the Ironfire

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>>51844806
It's too easy, really.

>>51844982
Not through conventional means.

>>51844925
XI > II
Get over it.

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>>51845037
>Tfw engravings do give you tactical advantages, since that usually means Master Crafted.

>>51845112
>cypher admonishing the fallen angels for their armour's lack of skulls and doodads

>>51844986
Thanks for listening.
I mentioned autocannons because I thought it'd be a somewhat accurate comparison to Thallax, but I think THE job they can do and no other can is to begin in the table and guard your assets from infiltration, before dashing turn one toward the forward objectives the Mechanicum units may have trouble from reaching (resilient Jump Pack units).
It's not like Triarii aren't good ramming transports or as if Reductors cared about terrain, but there's that.

>>51844806

In a good way or in a bad way?

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>>51844837
Can I get a quick rundown on why /tg/ hates the Space Wolves again?

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>>51845217
I could either waste enermy into complaining, or I could take things as they go

>>51845228
Cause they killed the 1ksons.

>>51845228
First it was cool vikings in space but then they became furries in space

>>51844986
>>51845185

Here's my take on the autocannon versus the other HS choices:

>Heavy Bolter: Slightly more expensive and less lethal to MEQ, but gains the crucial ability to glance and pen troublesome vehicular targets. All-in-all unless you know for sure you want to kill infantry and only infantry, or are the DG doing the Reaping, you should strongly consider the autocannon.
>Multi-Melta: Melta has half the range and shots, one more strength and pierce-all AP, BUT Armoured Ceramite basically displaces Multi-Meltas in its 40k roles, forcing it into harsher competition with the Autocannon, Missile Launcher (best replacement), and Lascannon. The Autocannon has better versatility and fills battlefield roles much better than the 30k MM. And if you want to do what the ATC can't, the missile launcher and lascannon are very serious competitors to the MM.
>Lascannon: Lascannon is specialised anti-vehicle, autocannon is not. The overlap is versus light-medium vehicles, in which the lascannons bring a much higher chance of penetrating hits, but half the number of shots, but are much more expensive and a bigger psychological target.
>Plasma Cannons: No snap-fire is way bigger than the loss of 12" of range. Blasts make a bigger impact on how they play compared to autocannons. Potential to spear as many or a good bit more hits than the 10-20 you can get from autocannons, with AP2 to boot! All-in-all, these do moderately well in the fields autocannons specialise at, and even provide something no other weapon really can do, but can be tricky to use, and are second-most expensive choice. I'd say they're sufficiently different that you should consider what you want to do first and decide based on that rather than primarily weighing them up directly against each other.

>>51845281
And then FW brought them back to Vikings in Space! With cool rules that are not particularly overpowered.

>>51845240
If plastic Guilliman didnt come with all that filigree and UM symbols I would seriously consider converting it to a Dorn model since it has a cool bolter and a sick sword but too much details and not enough eagles breaks that idea.

>>51845395
>And then FW brought them back to Vikings in Space! With cool rules that are not particularly overpowered.
but
>>51845269

>>51845395
dorn's armour is covered in filigree, though

>>51845370
This is a nice analysis. To be honest I don't expect Heavy Bolters do do anything against most vehicles, and their niche is from T4 to below, but I'll consider your words.
>>51845395
>With cool rules that are not particularly overpowered.
Such falsehood.
Despoilers that get power weapons at discount price.
2.5 Legiones Astartes worth of rules (+1WS with Counter attack, faster and with pseudo Night Vision, Acute Senses and noses that function as Augury arrays)
Their downsides are they have to use the aforementioned despoiled squads and are """forced""" to Sweep Advance.

Because if you kill the witches they win.

>>51845370
>Volkite Culverin: Expensive replacement for the Heavy Bolter, effectively, but can chew through infantry more effectively than the Heavy Bolter (unless they're exactly AP4, in which case it's actually worse). They have double the shots Autocannons have, for only one less strength and AP, and since they're S6, they can still do good against fliers, side and rear armour (which the enemy might be foolish enough to expose to you, since Volkite is seen as an anti-infantry weapon), and they will absolutely rape Rhinos. Consider them over autocannons if you know the enemy will be fielding infantry, you have good AT in the bank already, and/or are short on anti-infantry.
>Missile Launcher: This is the most direct competition to the Autocannon, because its role(s) are the same as those of the autocannon, just slightly tilted towards avenues the Autocannon isn't as specialised towards. The Missile Launcher is S8 AP3, meaning it will be more reliable against marines, but in my view, choosing missile launchers's to fire AP3 at marines is not why you should be choosing them. In my view, they are Multi-Meltas compensated for the loss of Melta versus armoured ceramite by being given double range and an anti-infantry option. Generally missile launchers will be used to pen medium vehicles and side armour, but they can be used to put blasts on top of infantry. In these respects, they can outmatch the autocannon, but I feel it's more situational, since you have half the shots, and your blasts are relatively weak, equivalent to bolter hits that GEQs can save against. The other draw that brings people in on the side of missile launchers is the option to take flakk missiles, turning the humble missile launchers into multipurpose AA infantry. However, what this option amounts to is paying 10 points per model in a five-man squad to give them one Skyfire autocannon shot. IMO, it's a psychologically reassuring option, but probably not as good in crunch as the autocannon.

>>51845037
>tfw Dorn and Perturabo finally fight in Warhammer 41k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO2Zp4nwsFA

>>51845561
>To be honest I don't expect Heavy Bolters do do anything against most vehicles
Sorry if I wasn't clear, my first commentary under the Heavy Bolter portion describes the virtues of the autocannon over the Heavy Bolter.
The Heavy Bolter is just for fighting infantry on the cheap. The only vehicles the HB could take on would be Rhinos, and even then, it'd only be worth firing when there's no other option in terms of targets.
Take the Autocannon over the Heavy Bolters unless you're the Death Guard or Iron Warriors IMO. (But in IW you can mix-and-match, so it's irrelevant).

If I can make another chart, I'll give the TLDR on my previous posts:

You should probably take the Autocannon tier:
>Heavy Bolters
>Missile Launchers
>Multi-Melta

Take these instead if you want to accomplish something specific, but plan carefully to maximise points return:
>Lascannon
>Volkite Culverin
>Heavy Flamer
>Plasma Cannon

How fluffy is it for House Hawkshroud to work alongside the Custodes? I want to run a canon Knight group I can feel comfortable using in 30k and 40k.

>>51845841
should be fine, I can't remember when they joined the Imperium but they're still around now so they obviously didn't go rouge during the Heresy if they were around

Are breachers and phalanx warders as useless as people say?

>>51846468
Not if you play IF, Zone Mortalis, or want a small but crunchy troops unit that isn't PotL.

Apparently they're still overcosted relative to the other two, but I'm afraid I'm not the best judge of that.

Question, is it possible for Diabolists of Word Bearers to take Malefic Daemonology?

I understand Librarians and Lorgar can, yet wouldn't the Demon student of the Legion, y'know, know how to Summon them? What about Erebus?

Also, Lorgar + Sanctuary + Precognition. I'm probably late, but HYPE

>>51846468
They don't do a lot of damage for the points, and shields are a little situational. But they're not terrible (they are a little overcosted). You just need to have a use for a unit that pays extra for durability while being more numerous than Terminators.

>>51846589
They're actually good for soaking charges if you're playing an infantry heavy list and have some close support you want to screen. Or they can be a good psycological unit, as RG I actually get decent use out of them infiltrating close as a bait unit to a close-combat squad, and with an apothecary they survive for quite a while even against dedicated assault units.

They really shine in ZM though.

>>51845561
>Their downsides are they have to use the aforementioned despoiled squads and are """forced""" to Sweep Advance.
Their actual downsides are that compulsory HQ's need to be Praetors or non-consul Centurions, requiring Grey Slayers make some RoW's unusable, and characters and Apothecaries don't synergize with your troops.

Also Frost Swords are completely unusable, who the fuck looked and these rules and thought "This is well done"?

>>51846754
I was considering Ultras or SW allies for a while, finally pulled the trigger on some Suzerains after seeing just how RoW-limited the wolves were.

the drawback is in how totally inflexible they are.

I gotta wonder how badly the individually packaged Calth units are selling. Still can't believe that you can buy TWO Calth boxes for the same price it would be to buy the contents of one box individually.

>>51846787
apparently the MkIV sell fairly well in brick and mortar GW, mostly kids that don't know alternatives exist and it's the more reasonably priced of the bunch (Source: local GW manager)

the box is going to sell hard as long as it exists, and so will prospero, I know I've bought and split 3 calth boxes and one prospero so far.

Just bought 15 Custodes, a Contemptor-Galatus, and a Caladius Grav Tank with Inferno.

Goodbye $300.

>>51846787

The only stinker is the Contemptor. You're dumb if you think plastic Cataphract and Mk IV will sell bad.

>>51846787
Im actually fucking astonished that theyre still selling Calth

>>51847083
I mean, I bought 4 of them, and I doubt they will stop selling it until people stop buying.

>>51847083

Yeah, making super hot selling items and then randomly discontinuing them sounds exactly like the stupid kind of move GW would make.

I'm not even being sarcastic. Look at Space Hulk and every limited edition model that sold out and never got a reproduction.

>Luna wolves transfers will never be made again
>$50+ on ebay if theyre on there at all

kill me

>Not showing off your beach body and love for your legion at the same time

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40k-Custom-Luna-Wolves-Sublimated-Bikini-American-Apparel-Size-M/222393416282

>>51847221
>Size M
>Medium

This is meant to for a fit/healthy body...

Please, All a want is a fit/healthy girl who also isn't a normie

>bet she would were her hair in a top knot as well...

>>51847194
shapeways my friend if you want shoulder pads at least

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/popbits?section=--+Moon+Wolves&s=0

>>51847307
Women are incapable of liking something like horus heresy. Their brains just arent wired that way. The best you will ever do is find a girl who will tolerate your plastic dudesmen autism.

>>51847319
Now I want to do a luna wolves army. Fuck me.

So how long have the various assassination clades been kicking around?

They predated the Heresy at least

Does this sound :fun: hhg?

>victory is vengeance campaign rules
>armies must be drawn from Imperialis militia or legions only
>no unique characters
>mark II and iii armor only for Astartes
>pre-crusade schemes only
>possibly some points reworking for militia so they buy upgrades and provenances on a per-model basis
>TECHNO-BARBARIANS!

>>51846870
I still find it surprising that GW couldn't just slightly adjust the sprue to make the plastic Contemptor's head a separate piece. If it weren't for that one cock-up, I'd consider it salvageable, but as it stands, you need to either be a pretty good sculptor, or to just buy the FW version, to get a good Contemptor model.

>>51847083
You are? I'm surprised that GW main didn't decide to cash in on HH two years earlier than they did.

>>51847412

The assassin temples were founded by Malcador BEFORE the Inquisition. Malcador was the grand master. They were formed to do shit that the large crusade forces wouldn't be able to, and once the Heresy broke out, their necessity became apparent and their mission became trying to kill Horus.

>>51847418
>mk ii and iii
>pre-crusade
Does not compute.

At least you're not trying to justify Mk I in a post-Unification army though. "Marines who fight in toxic/vacuum/searing hot/freezing cold war zones on the regular, wearing unsealed, cumbersome half-suits with the defensive capabilities of carapace armour? Yeah, sounds smart to me."

Why do people say fantasy was too bloated/complicated? Fantasy was much simpler to play than 40k is in it's current state

If you knew how to play 40k you could learn fantasy in a day

>>51847412
Since the Imperium annexed Thor.

Whenever that was.

Are Sekhmet termies really worth the points? You pay 80 more points for 2W, force, and psyker lottery - but you lose implacable advance. Normal termies still get cult arcana buffs and you can cram more dakka in your army.

>>51847506

Large infantry blocks.

Wheeling.

40k is bloated but its core system is dead simple. Move, shoot, charge.

>>51847523
>psyker lottery
Sekhmet CHOOSE powers from pyromancy and telekinesis.

But even just force weapons for the whole unit and brotherhood of psykers with ML 2 is already worth 80 points. Add in 2 wounds each and the ability to choose a cult that increases their Invul. save by 1 and it might be the most undercosted terminator unit there is.

>>51847576
>>51847506

whoops, wrong tab

>>51847506
I always thought the problem with WHFB was more the way that the 8th ed. meta tended towards large armies, not the rules themselves. Newbies aren't going to want to sink several hundreds or thousands of dollars into a 2,000+ point army right off the bat, so naturally there'll be a lockout to new blood.

>>51846754
>requiring Grey Slayers make some RoW's unusable
I can see where this is coming from, but there isn't anywhere near a consensus yet. A lot of people (including myself) are interpreting it as, "these are your compulsory troops." I mean, most legions may only take tactical, assault, or breacher marines as compulsory troop choices, but rites of war often modify that.

I could be wrong about FW's intent. We need a FAQ. (An FAQ? No one pronounces it "fack" in real life.) The Frost weapon/blade/sword thing needs one too.

>>51847167
Akshually, SH gets back on the shelves almost every year for "LIMITED EDITION YOU GUYS THIS TIME IT'S THE LAST ONE FOR REALSIES!!!1!"

I don't play BA but I guess they must laugh, kinda, when they dee the "limited edition" box comes back regurlarly.

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>>51847307
>Fit girl
>Not normie

You're asking for a lot here anon. Every single girl that I know that is actually into fitness is quite the normie and wouldn't tolerate a neckbeard.

Hell, I wouldn't tolerate a fat fuck either. If I can get fit and grow some muscles, why can't she?
I deserve better, and you can too if you improve yourself.

>>51847757
I don't know about other regions, but GW's Australian online store has just stopped pretending that it's a limited edition. I haven't seen it go out of stock on there since just after the last reissue.

>>51847750
>>51846754
Also, Russ has a special rule allowing an army he's leading to take Wolf Guard Termies and Veteran squads as compulsory troops choices...

>>51847334
>Women are incapable of liking something like horus heresy. Their brains just arent wired that way. The best you will ever do is find a girl who will tolerate your plastic dudesmen autism.

There's female HH players. Hell, the biggest HH rumourmonger is a woman.

>>51847858
>atia
>woman

Until I see pics I'm not believing it.

>>51847858
Isn't "Lady" Atia an Oh-so-standard-on-Internet Man pretending to be a woman?

>>51847194

You can always print your own, anon

inb4

>2017
>not owning a black and white laserjet printer

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Request fellow HH players!
I play Word Bearers in 40k, having over 5k in points now, and a pal just got my a Lorgar and 5 Gal Vorbak for my birthday.
Needless to say, now is the time to jump into 30k for me.
Can you assist me in making a 2500pts list? Aiming for a CC heavy army, so many Drop Pods w/ Gal Vorbak inside supported by some Assault Marines?
I have many 40k options to pull from, including Deamons; but would prefer none if possible.
Was hoping to buy a Medusa next paycheck, anything else I should add?

>>51847951
Luckily for you there is a rite of war that fits your army exactly. The Serrated Suns rite of war lets you run gal vorbak as troops with drop pods as mandatory dedicated transports.

>>51847887
>>51847892
>2017
>taking "no wihmennz on teh intarnetz" literally

>>51847974
Not a fan actually as it means nothing scores! I was thinking maybe forking out for a Kharybdis for a squad of 10 Gal Vorbak actually.
What troops would work well? 1x20man Tactical and 15 Assault Marines?

Is Occult Scarab (plastic ones) too 'Tzeench-ish' already to be used in HH as Sekhmet?

>>51847951
Gal Vorbak are very strong in 30k, though unlike in a lot of 40k metas that means you need to exercise some restraint with them (we're all militant fluffbunnies here). That means don't take 15. You could compensate with a Mhara Gal tainted dreadnought for example, which is a little overcosted and pales next to a Leviathan.

The Serrated Suns rite of war is actually a good one if you can live without assault marines - it only lets you take them if they're in a flyer, I think. You might want to pick a different rite of war and then use Dreadclaws for the Gal Vorbak (in most cases that will mean you can't take normal drop pods - access to them is rare in 30k).

Radio Free Isstvan (podcast) ep 41 reviewed a Serrated Sun list. Their list section at the end is their strength.

How to equip tartaros Sekhmet?
Swords mean marine-mulching, which seems like a waste, axes are I1 and mauls are only relevant against a few armies.
That said, Force weapons are nice and all, but it seems like fists are nearly always superior. On the other hand, these 5 points add up quickly and you can almost buy a whole terminator for those five fists.
Same goes for combi-weapons: Five combi-plasma guns are obviously useful, but, again, cost is an issue and psychic powers can supplement shooting for free.
Am I overcomplicating things?

>>51848148
Just give them axes. They dont want to be in combat anyway

Thousand Sons deep strike terminator spam backed up by tactical blobs, castellax, and dreadnoughts. Yay or nay? I want a tank-free army.

>>51848069
not really, just the bird skull motifs that need to go for the most part. The crested helmets aren't really their pre heresy style though where they tend to have columns and slightly more of a Babylon/Persian appearance

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>>51848069
No, they are perfectly fine as tartaros-wearing Sekhmets. I'd maybe consider filing off the bird skulls on the combi-bolters, but even that is stretching it.

>>51848277
Yeah, for the most part, the new 40K TSons are the least Chaosy CSM models available, if you swap out the backpacks, Discs, and parts of the Aspiring Sorcerors.

Those eye symbols are what bothers me for some reason.

>>51848148
>mauls in 30k

Unless you want to spank some tanks, I'd just give them swords or axes. Probably axes, but you seem way too scared about the I1 so just give them swords. I don't see how marine mulching in Marines: the Marine-ening is a bad thing.

>>51848277

The 40k ones actually look better. FW should have sculpted a full kit because the plastic Cataphractii's plainness is not complimenting that upgrade kit at all. I can tell the sculpts are fairly detailed in the chest area but the whole ensemble looks plain.

>>51848322
I am surprised they didn't do anything with the shoulderpads of the cataphractii. It would make a big difference not having those big flat surfaces there.

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What is the worst thing the space wolves ever did ?

>>51848322
Actually, I agree. While it's toss-up whether you prefer Tartaroi or Cataphracii, the boring pauldron design and lack of general ornamentation on the FW stuff is a disadvantage to me.

>>51848359
not killing all of the thousand sons

>>51848069
Picked up the power khopeshes and some headresses for my bop tartaroi, I'd say its like GW predicted they'd get used in conversions for 30k.

>>51848322
True. While the chestplate and the helmets are great, the rest of the armor unsurprisingly suffers in comparison.

>>51848359

I didn't realize Njal's head was located on his chest until a good 10 seconds after finishing the comic. I just assumed the wolf head was his head because he was wearing a wolf head hood.

>>51848408

It took me years to realize the Castellax's head was the skull in its stomach and not the golden sad frog hood.

>>51848408
Yes, the same happened to me. I've seen this one before bot only today did I pick up on that.

>>51848415

Wait, that's its head?!

>>51848359
Not just cracking open Prospero like a rancid egg.

>>51848322
>>51848361
I plan to use the FW kit with these shoulders

https://www.shapeways.com/product/3TDTJD6Q3/5x-scarab-legion-2-cataphractii-shoulder-sets?optionId=59348315

>>51848415
It is ? I just assumed the castellax didn't need a face for the same reasons as the thallax : when you have enough sensors, you no longer need eyes

>>51848430
>>51848507

We have a cutaway diagram of the Thallax showing a bionic augmented skull where it's black visor is that is nearly identical to the Castellax's chest skull. The Thallax has no other skull.

We do not have a cutaway for the Castellax. However, we do have an image of a Xana II Castellax, which has broken armor revealing some internals. The interior of the "head" is simply bundles of cables. No skulls, lights, or anything head-like. While it is possible that the exposed stomach-skull we see is not the "head", the head is certainly not under the hood where we all thought it WOULD be.

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>>51848567

>>51848585
>that filename
Kek'd

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Almost done, still need to make a scaled cloak.

Been staring intensely at this model for so long now that I can't tell if it looks acceptable or if it should be burned for heresy

>>51848359
Falling under Phil Kelly's wolf perversion.

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>>51848618
Different angle for right shoulder and weapon

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>>51848630
last one

>>51846531
> HYPE
> Being able to successfully cast all that in one turn
> wasting all that potential buffing on turning one slow unit into a monster that can only kill one unit a turn (if lucky)
STUPID

What going to happen to MEGA?

>>51844837
this edition of /hhg/ seems auspicious to my request.

Here's a list. I have a good chunk of the models for it, I just need to figure out if I commit to buying what I don't have.

Thousand Sons, 19952000 points, Pride of the Legion

==HQ==
Ahriman (260)

Consul - Chaplain (150)
- ML1 Biomancy, Pavoni Cult
- Cataphractii, Crozius (Axe)

===TROOPS===
Veterans x10 + Rhino (305)
- Brotherhood ML1 Divination, Corvidae Cult
- Plasma-gun x2, combi-plasma x2, Asphyx Shells
- Pintle MM

Veterans x10 + Rhino (305)
- Brotherhood ML1 Divination, Corvidae Cult
- Plasma-gun x2, combi-plasma x2, Asphyx Shells
- Pintle MM

Sekhmet Terminator Cabal x8 (420)
- ML2 Telekinesis, Raptora Cult (Levitation + ???)
- Combi-plasma x8, Chainfists x2

Tactical Support Squad x10 (230)
- Volkite Calivers x9
- Augury Scanner + bolter on Sarge, AA


===FAST ATTACK===
Primaris-Lightning (230)
- Kraken pair x2, Servitors, Tracking

Javelin (65)
- Hunter-Killer x2

Javelin (65)
- Hunter-Killer x2


Ahriman goes with the Supports.
Chaplain goes with the Sekhmet.
Warlord trait allows the Supports to Scout + the Sekhmet + one of the Veterans.

Overall pretty straightforward, with most things starting on the board. Suggestions?

>>51848638
Not a true scale fan.
At all.
But that is some really nice green stuff work there anon. Good job.

>>51848781
As a note, would have loved to work a Castellax-Achea in there, to extend the range of Ahriman's maledictions if he rolls Misfortune, or otherwise punch shit.

>>51848500
looks like blood angels shoulderpads

>>51848277
Sekhmet kit + 40k Scarab legs = Cataphractii Sekhmet.

>>51844837
Dear /HHG, what's the fastest/most reliable way to get my marines into CC with the enemy during the AoD?

The Berserker Assault Rite of War Restrictions are:

- Must take an additional Compulsory Troops choice.
- may not take more vehicles with Tank or Flier than Infantry units
- Detachments can only take a single consul
- Prinary detachments using this RoW may not take a fortification or other Space Marine Legion allies.

I learnt a lot about Fliers thanks to the last thread, so in short I just want roll buckets of dice and Rip'n'Tear.

>>51848834
mastodon or storm eagle / dreadclaw

>>51848834
Assaul marines' jump packs make them rather fast, but means they are still just as fragile as footslogging marines.

A spartan is quite a points investment but can hold up to 25 dudes, and should still guarantee turn 2 charges if you move 12'' and flat out for a grand total of 18'' the first turn.

A landraider squadron is even more points, but if one of them is a proteus with explorator web the whole thing can scout 12'' before the first turn even begins.

Adding a Vigilator to a unit gives it scout, and also stealth to provide a little extra protection. But it is the most limited due to being a consul.

Dreadclaws means you can deepstrike, flat-out 18'' and next turn disembark and charge. But they each take a fast-attack slot.

Kharybdis does the same as a Dreadclaw, but then holds 20 dudes, has 5 HP, is about 100 points more and eats an heavy support slot.

And last, the humble rhino. Not being assault vehicles means you have to plan far ahead, but thanks to being so cheap you can have a lot of them.

>>51848849
>>51848900
Can multiple units embark upon a transport if there is space?

For example, a Kharbidis containing 10 Tacticals and two units of 5 Tactical Support?

>>51848973
No. 1 unit per transport.

Super-heavies can transport as many units as they have space.

What's wrong with 4chan right now?

>>51849016
CIA cracking down on alt-right fake news. Just act cool and hide your IP.

>>51849016
Too many newfags. Everyone who came after 2010 should be purged.

>>51848973
>>51848973
>>51848982
the mastodon can fit many a squad (but its not super stellar at its job/its job doesn't really exist on the table)

>>51849049
>2010
>not October 1, 2003

Newfags leave.

>>51849064
Yes, because it's a super-heavy.

Can Primarchs deepstrike in Orbital Assault? I'm assuming not, but it seems daft that I might have to buy, paint and spend the points on a drop pod just for Mortarion alone, when in fluff they would just drop down with their bodyguard

>>51849108
If you are playing with friends then maybe you can 'gentleman's agreement' it. If you are in an LGS then nah he needs a drop pod.

Going to be playing my first game in 30k, moving away from 40k since moving. The atmosphere is pretty competitive at my local game shop so I wanted to build a strong list.

Dark Angels 1500 points Ironwing Protocol
>HQ
Delegatus: volkite serpenta, calaban war blade, artificer armor & melta bombs

>Troops
Two identical Tactical Squads in Rhinos: vexilla, sergeants have melta bombs

Tactical Support Squad in a Rhino: 4 extra marines, 9 ccws, volkite chargers, sergeant has artificer armor and melta bombs.

>Elites
Dreadnought Talon with 2 dreads: molecular acid shells, and graviton guns

>Heavy Support
Predator squadron with 3 Dakka Preds and a Hunter-Killer missile each

Vindicator squadron with 2 laser destroyer arrays

I'm trying to get most out of the Ironwing rules as I can. Delegatus is a cheap unit tax for the RoW, tried to keep him as cheap as possible. He'll be stuck in with the Support Squad so the whole squad is armed with volkites which I think compliments the +1 to wounds with Executioners rule.
Boxnoughts have Fear and Tank Hunter, I was debating whether or not to equip them with hunter-killer missiles instead but I'm not sure if the missiles work with tank hunter. Graviton Guns to pop heavy armor before charging the squishy bits inside.
Heavy Support is where a lot of my firepower is coming from. All tanks get +1 BS while they're in a unit together. I'd figure leaving the Vindicators at 2 because of the sheer weight of fire the Predators dish out.

Did I miss anything or any criticism? If this list does well I'll be expanding to a higher point game and will order 30k units, I was a bit restricted with what my 40k army had in it.

Is there any Knight worth taking than Atrapos? Because I don't like its looks.

>>51847487
Only cause they look closest to Mk I visually.

>>51849339
They are all good, the atapos is just the best
the new one with the two massive lascannons is fucking nuts aswell mind

>>51849387
Even the plastic ones too? I prefer how they look, but their loadouts seemed a bit underwhelming.

>>51849329
>competative
>3 predator destructors
u wot m80, did you take a blow to the head?

>>51848618
How'd you do them scales?

>>51849400
The errant is so so to be fair. the pladen is geat, and can be tooled up to be either anti-hoard or anti-marines, without changing the model.

warden is pretty good, simply due to rate of fire.

the other FW ones are good: the Archeron is great in an enviroment where there is so much 3+

>>51849404
I'm limited by the models I have it's on the low end of the points spectrum. I would have liked to take a squad of land raiders but I only own one.

>>51849329
The volkites don't benefit from the +1 to wound since they aren't rapid fire, salvo or pistol weapons. Also melta guns have the best chance to oneshot any armour assuming they don't have armoured ceremite, graviton can reliably strip hull points but can't destroy anything in one go.

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>>51847796
Anon back story time
>Was part of an NROTC unit for a while during first two semesters of college
>Start if kinda of poor physically but was outperforming everyone minus the guy who had a 16 min 3 mile by second semester
>Things are going good but massive internal issues hit the unit
>End up leaving the unit because it became toxic by normies standards
>Currently taking a break from college and working full time
>Working 40+ hour weeks amongst other things and have little time to workout/hobby/video still
>Can no longer score a 290 on the pft

I was worthy of a woman, but don't feel like it anymore, need to get back into working out before I feel ready for that kind of stuff

Also doesn't help that I seem to have shit luck with women, always seem to fall into an older brother role with the women I know/knew and as one can guess those relations never go anywhere and yet for some reason though the only ones who have hit on me have been older by at least 7 years (I guess I'm fine with that) or currently married which concerns me in some manner

But life woes aside, I am now an anon on 4chan and I have no problem REEEEEEEEEE-ing about shit these days

But back on topic, why the fuck would someone make a bikini with that on it though?

>>51849441
I swapped a veteran squad with serpenta's for the support squad. Thanks for pointing that out. I don't expect to face a whole lot of armor so what's there will probably have armored ceramite. Seems to be the trend at the shop so I'm not worried about getting melta'd either as no one takes them.

>>51849404
what else is he going to take? i saw that the bonus isn't that big but with all the shots out of each pred the +1 bs adds up fast, especially shooting into infantry

>>51849472
Fair enough, I would drop the artificer armour on the delegatus and get him a refractor field. A bit of a better back up incase some arse with a power fist turns up.

>>51849438
Honestly, neither destructors nor LR are good at being gun boats. the preditor is out matched by things like the wirlwind scopio, and kheris mortis, whilst the raider is a trasnport first.

did you mgnitise? there are better trurrents that the preditor cannon

>>51849503
even when bs 5, preds are just out classed by a whole range of things, from the mortis to the scorpio

Deathsworn can only be joined by a Priest of Fenris and they can be taken instead of a Command Squad for a Speaker of the Dead (didn't know they had access to a command squad, but whatever). If you have a Speaker of the Dead and a Caster of Runes in the army, can you buy a Deathsworn unit for the Speaker but attach the Caster to it instead?

Also:
>"For every five models in the squad, one model may take on of the following options instead of the previously listed:"
>there are no options previously listed
>£80

>>51849539
I was hoping to proxy a dread for a contemptor-mortis but I was told no, the kheres looks great with tank hunter. The Predators are only 95 points a peice, I was considering a whirlwind scorpius but the numbers changed my mind. I'm not expecting much from them so I kept them as bare as I could.

>>51849584
> I was considering a whirlwind scorpius but the numbers changed my mind
what numbers? even if the bs 5, 1+d3 str 8 ap 3 blasts with barrage, is waaaaaaaay better than the preditor, and theu are only 20 points more

>was hoping to proxy a dread for a contemptor-mortis but I was told no, the kheres looks great with tank hunter
you can pick them up cheap on ebay thanks to B@C, but useing a box dead for one is very cheeky

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So with planning and enough psychic prep time, can Magnus beat any of the other primarchs?

>>51849606
I meant the 3 models compared to the one, I'll consider it or look into a pair of medusas.

I just moved about a month ago, found the game shop a week ago and haven't been able to order any new models yet. If I like this new group I'll be picking up a few box sets, I'm use to play at 3k+.

>>51849747
fluff or tabletop?

>>51849811
Tabletop

>>51849108
Usually they ride in Storm Eagles, bruv

>>51848256
Custodes and things with multiple augury scanners will eat you.

If you're ok with that it can work just fine

>>51849747
Yes, by drowning them in the psychic D

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>>51849747
>can Magnus beat any of the other primarchs?
They say Magnus with the right Biomancy buffs can beat Russ somewhat handily.
If he can do that it's only a handful of top-tier Primarchs (and Lorgar's troll invisiblity) who can challenge him, but it depends on his powers and whether he succeeds or not.

>>51849461
>End up leaving the unit because it became toxic by normies standards
What do you mean?
Poor discipline?

Thoughts on the use of xeno races in 30k through using the AoD force organisation chart? Of course there is a power difference in some 40k armies compared to 30k marines but have any of you tried it and had good results?

>>51849955
Probably the safest way to do it, keep the formation bullshit out of things.

Will there be any xnos armies in 30k? It is nice to shoot something that isn't human.

>>51849955
The fact that there are no formations in 30k severely cuts xenos powers.

On the other hand, I plan to play TS 30k in a 40k meta. Which me luck, fellow anons, for I'll need it.

>>51849974
AFAIK, FW said that they don't plan to. Just use their 40k codexes

>>51849189
Except corax and probably sanguinius.

reminder that Angron has to take a bus like a poor

>>51847334
I got my wife into the Horus Heresy series if not the game. We debate the shit out of characters since she's a pessimist and I'm an optimist.

>>51847796
This guy's got it, most of the women who are into gyming are about as basic as can be minus the lesbians who lift because they have penis envy.

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What's on your table today /hhg/?

>>51850048
Another 20 marines to magnetize, currently 32/60

Progress is slow but there is progress. I took a break to do paint tests on some old 40k tacs, still working out the best formula for black armor

>>51850048
Can you post a tutorial for your bases please? Or some tips on making good bases. They look so good but I've not been able to make my bases look as nice.

>>51850090
Black:
Base abaddon
Layer eshin
Highlight Celestra or Ulthuan

>>51850142
Oh and wash with nuln

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>>51850127
Just glue coarse sand on the base. Prime and paint with tuskgor fur. Wash with agrax. Finish with grass.

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>>51850142
>>51850171
I'm aware of the basic formula most use, I've tried that and a few variations including washing down from skavenblight dinge. I'm agonizing over it so much because getting a matte dark black that looks good but doesn't look like primer is a huge deal, and after looking at my old 40k RG.... It's all so shitty, I can do better

>>51850048
Currently working on the base for my Imperial Knight, is currently looking very shit since I haven't done anything fancy other than thrown down and basecoated a box, a barrel and an autocannon for the wounded Son of Horus ready to go on there. He doesn't exactly fit on the base because I had to remove his bolter and one arm alkwardly, since it's a friend's surplus Marine (Had none myself because Mechanicum). Hopefully the texture paint will fix that when applied. Add some barbed wire and hopefully it'll look like the Knight is stomping over a wrecked gun emplacement, although I should probably greenstuff some sandbags for it.

>>51850216
Just add a tiny church :^)
yu could also look into invewsting in the GW basing kit for knights, it seem pretty cool

>>51850048
Christmas pudding plastic tubs and empty bottles of dettol.

>>51850229
Another evening of heavy drinking, eating and regret?

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>>51850235
Nope. Clearing out ancient noob models from before I'd even heard of Forge World, reducing them to bare plastic, then converting them to be actually useful in 30k, and actually painting them well. They will truly be "my dudes", however. Their suffering and neglect will not have been in vain.
Have faith, THICC Bearer...

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>>51849413
I cut a tool from plastic card (see pic) and then pressed it into the greenstuff, lining up the depressions in horizontal rows.

>>51850262
Why'd you colour it to look like a black person's ass crack?

Guys, is it possible to use Imperial Knights as LoW for marines or only their own options and titans?

>>51850225
Got the basing kit, using lots of good stuff from there. Oddly enough I am using the church spire from the great WIP incident, it'll be glazed red and"Ardcoated to look like a beacon. Hopefully it will look OK.

>>51850277
Because I never consider such things. Just picked a random colour and called it a day, my apolegies.

Is the Arlatax supposed to be the same size roughly as the Domitar?

>>51850289
Yes, it makes explicit mention of Questoris Knights in the War Machine detatchment in the latest red book. I don't think you get access to any household ranks, though.

>>51850318
Who said i was complaining

>>51850327
Same chassis, so yes. Been having a little trouble with that myself, it's more trouble converting something the more you know about what it's supposed to look like.

>>51850349
Thanks! I like the one with gatling gun. I may use one in the future

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>>51850048
Finished painting the DG dude for my shattered legions kill team/diorama thing.

He only needs to get based and I'll call him done.

>>51849944
>Poor discipline
In a way, would be better to say poor morals

Part 1

Not sure if you've been part of one, but to an extent a ROTC unit is technically meant to be ran like military lite if that makes sense just during college, a step below the academies basically

But the issue arose in that me and about a third of the unit didn't go to college where the unit was located and drive times varied per person, but me and a few others had about a 30-40 minute drive everymorning to get there meaning at times we were up at 3 for this

Well, me and some of the others were frequently being called back for random shit, namely stuff that upper classman dropped on us

Needless to say we weren't happy with it. Now yeah it could be called some sort of hazing or whatever thing to "prep you and then accept you" but I'm stubborn when it comes to this kind of shit and refused to bend over to someone

So I just continue on with my stuff and we told the staff Sergeant who kept asking us to back that we had classes and couldn't take another 2+ hours out of our day for this random stuff

Now the Marine Captain wants to talk to me, I go and talk with him and he gives me this sort of talk about inspiring people and how we all potential and then begins talking about grades/classes.

Don't get me wrong you need to do "good" to remian in the program and was rocking like a 3.7 or something but of course that's not good enough but whatever

He ends up looking at my schedule and pointing out classes that aren't necessary for a degree, all the gen eds and stuff and mentions how they don't care what you take as long as you pass

>He urging me to take easy classes to make the unit GPA look good

It's pretty clear he doesn't care about how smart an officer is, just has to be able to follow the orders of the higher officer

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>>51850370

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>>51850213
I use several carefully applied layers of black wash over VGC Heavy charcoal grey that's been pre-highlighted with bluegreys. 3 or 4 layers are enough, and it's important to let each layer dry properly, and once dry moistening your finger with water and gently rubbing the washed area. That will smooth out the surface, allowing for a smoother colour, very matte with lots of depth and subtle highlights.

Adding some colour spots and nice metallics helps a lot to finish the look.

>>51850429
>In a way, would be better to say poor morals
Emperor's Children. Say no more.

>It's pretty clear he doesn't care about how smart an officer is, just has to be able to follow the orders of the higher officer
Agghhh... the attitude that the official ranking for useless shit matters more than the actual achievement in useful stuff. I see it everywhere and it makes a cynic of me.

>>51850503
Yeah, I've been trying different underlayer techniques since you posted your formula in a thread about a week? ago, it's been very helpful in figuring out different ways to do matte dark. I think I just need to get better at the pre-shade before washing.

honestly if you could do a video paint example or a stage by stage photo set at some point that would be pretty amazing.

>>51850503
>painting the raven on each shoulder pad
The absolute madman

>>51849529
What are good units to take with Ironwing in that case? The turrets aren't magnetized but are removable.

>>51850695
>uncomfortably glances at the hundred AL and eighty Crimson Fists that all have the icon freehanded on the shoulderpad

Yeah what kind of psycho does that kinda thing, right ?

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Hey TG. I am painting the Grandfather smurf but I want to do him more greek/egyptian looking compared to the very pale forgeworld version. I am however shit at painting skin. What's the best way to do this? I have rakarth flesh, pallid wych flesh, agrax earthsahde and calthan brown and talarn flesh available for skintones.
Pic attached is my last attempt at painting a face, I since have made everything with a helmet.

>>51850772
HYEEEEEEEEEEEGH

>>51850772
THICC

>>51850429
Part 2

So during this conversation it's clear that he really doesn't care and he's making things more difficult than they need to be, but I'm sort of confused at this point so I'm somewhat struggling for words to respond and simply say I'll look into changing classes

>JokesOnYouIEndUpQuitting.JPEG

I'm out of his office now and as I'm walking to leave the staff Sergeant catches me and wants to talk

Here we go again

Literally the small talk but with the addition of why are you trying to avoid the unit

Tell him I'm not and that I'm trying to work on actual classes and stuff. He seems frustrated but then tells me to leave

Now just for context, the staff Sergeant and marine captain don't even speak English great, so it's difficult to understand them at times to albiet the calls were fucking hilarious during drill and stuff

More little things happen over the course of the semester but it ends without a issue for the most part

Or so I thought

So during my summer my mom gets an email form the Unit Commander asking if I was returning

I'm confused and was at the time planning on returning.

She replies and the Unit Commander sends back saying that I hadn't responded to any of the upperclassmen senior's calls/texts/emails etc...

Now I'm worried cause that could actually mean I would be in deep shit if true

Well as to be expected the upperclassmen were trying to use me to cover up their shortcomings I repainted to the unit captain with screen caps of the last time any of the upperclassmen had even contacted me and that last one was from about 2 weeks before the semester let out

Said upperclassmen respond with cover up shit for their laziness. If the unit commander was a an actual hardass instead of a super kind grandpa like figure, they would have been fucked

Start thinking to myself, that maybe the unit truly wasn't everything or even anything there preached

How do you add a Solar Auxilia as ally if every HQ option forces it to be your warlord?

>>51850772
Dude, for fucks sake, Gore is not permitted on this board?

Sorry, but I'll have to report you.

:^)

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Did anyone use the fleur de lis as a symbol in 30k? I must know!

>>51850893
wut?

>>51850985
Fielding Solar Auxilia as an Allied Detachment. How do you do it? Every HQ option asks to be the Warlord, from Lord Marshal to the Tank Commander

>>51850942
Don't think there's anything official, but neither anything stopping you. I'm sure some SM chapters in 40k use the symbol (just like there's chapters that use BT crosses, etc.), so it's not limited to just SoB.

>>51850893
They don't, since they're in an Allied Detatchment and so can't be your Warlord. Same as taking an Archmagos in an allied, AFAIK. Just pick a HQ, which I presume is going to be a TC? Toyed with the idea of allying in some Infantry Sections and a TC in a Malcador or Malcador Burninator as Ordo Reductor ship crew myself.

>>51851036
Where do you read that, only place I can see anything of that sort is on Ireton
MaSade's entry, which says he can only be chosen as part of a Loyalist Primary Detachment and must be its Warlord. I can't find anything that says the other choices must be the Warlord. Hell, the tank commander can't even be taken as a compulsory HQ choice.

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>>51851101

>>51851125
>this chain of command determines your choice of Warlord where the Solar Auxilia forms your army's Primary Detachment
>Primary Detachment
>Primary Detachment
>Primary Detachment

>>51851125
>Determines your choice of Warlord when the Solar Auxilia forms you army's PRIMARY detatchment.

Therefore does nothing in an Allied and you pick a Warlord from the Primary like always.

>>51851051
I have come into possession of a few old SOB rhinos and I really don't want to prize the doors off those things for use in 30k... I could just say "it's a random symbol" but it might not fly with some members of the community. Thoughts?

>>51851163
But what if SA is my allied detachment?

>>51851177
Well, if the chain of command is used when the SA are your Primary Detachment, what do you think happens when they're NOT your primary detachment. I would take a wild guess that the rules DOESN'T come into play. But that's just me with my wild ideas.

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>>51851204

>>51850724
Artillery

When is the DA book coming out anyways?

>>51851293
August. 2020.

>>51851293
The BA book is coming out late 2017/early 2018

>>51850863
Part 3

So in the end me and a few other members end up talking shit over, they said they've noticed similar things to and eventually we just decided to back out of the program

So we go to turn I gear and shit and all of sudden that upper classman is screaming at me as if I was part of the unit still telling me to call the unit commander "sir" and shit when I was talking to him

Ignore him up until I leave and he's continuing to follow me to the door saying how shit I am for quitting

Outside and out of range of actual adults I grabbed him and told him to fuck off

Was a pretty priceless reaction coming from what seemed to be a self entitled soon to be marine.

But life is life, there were some great people in that unit that I liked hanging out with, namely the people who understood that we can be human to one another and didn't enforce whatever rank they had if they had one, but those were the people that also backed out.

I did have more minor annoyances with the unit, namely helping out a senior upperclassmen who was going going subs aka being nuke qualified with only my AP physics highschool knowledge.

But yeah, that's why I quit that unit

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Imperial Fist for my legion diorama.

Yellow is horrifying to work with. I really have a lot of respect for IF players.

>>51851163
Oh, missed that. Thanks for the clarification!

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>>51850772
More (thin) layers, and use the earthshade this time. Eyes are tough, but the key is that the iris should not be a dot in the middle of the whites of the eyes; it touches the top and bottom. I prefer painting the eye black. Leave the edge as eyeliner, then touch two spots of off-white on either side of the iris. Do the eyes after shading the face but before highlighting because you'll probably have to do some face touchup.

giving various unit types in your army specific armour marks., e.g. corvus seekers, iron heavy weapons, etc.

y/n

>>51851537
I like it.

And yes, yes it is.

>>51851733
Go for it.

>>51851733
My Assault Squad, Outriders and Seekers are in MkVI, Breacher squad in MkIII, tank crews in MkV and the rest in MkIV.

>>51851775
>>51851821
alright its settled then, I was worried that maybe it would look haphazard

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Would Ordo Reductor ships have some human-ish crew or would it be All Magi, All The Time? Thinking of using these three dudes to crew my Whalecbird, since I have a Captain, his 2IC and a dude to patrol the gantry. Add in a Techpriest and some servitors and that should be a suitable no. of guys once I file the bases off their feet.

>>51851733
Talking of armour marks (seeing as this is basically Armour Autism General) do you guys have mixed units? thinking of mixing mk3 and mk4 in a unit, but dont know if it will look good

>>51851845
Nope.
I'm planning a unit with backstory explaining why they're dressed in haphazard mark 5 armour marks. It's a long story but they're basically sum finna suicide squad who survived under siege in a space hulk for three years and are now Seekers as bitter as any IW and as emo as any NL/RG. They don't give a fuck if Praetor says it would be better to take uniform marks, he wasn't there man...

>>51851631
Alright thanks.

>>51851877
I mix models, in complete armor, of mk2 and mk6 to represent Thousand Sons veterans.

Mk2 being their favored (Achean-pattern) old mark, and Mk6 being seen as blessed by the Corvus designation.

>>51851605
Binary is for loyalist fags, real Dark Mechanicum master race magos use C++.

>>51851941
mine us c# because it's edgy and deadly

ha
ha
ha

a dark mechanicum joke

>>51851872
You've got a biologis theme going on, so it's likely that the crew would keep more fleshy bits than most Mechanicum ship crew. At least on the outside.

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>>51851877
I'm more interested in knowing how badly pic related would trigger them.

>>51851872
Non-human crew is possible. I believe the FFG RPG books allowed you to have a ship crew made entirely out of servitors, which had benefits and disadvantages. In Eisenhorn books there's a merchant ship crewed entirely by servitors.

>>51852035
ULTRA HERESY

>>51852035
Needs a MkIII torso, MkII arms, MkIV pads, MkV head and a MkVIII backpack.

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>>51852035

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>>51852035
the fuck is this?

>>51852007
Yeah, that was what I was thinking. They look somewhat like normal men most of the time, minus some nerve ports and such, except they can probably punch through power armour. Then when they need to get their DarkMech on they put on their shorter robes and bio-spider/giant metal-flesh monster bodies and go chainfist a bitch. Also the Princeps is not as hueg as the Techpriest models, so I don't have to fuck about making the command deck gigantic.

>>51852060

Ooh, might go with that. I have about six servo-arms left over from some Kataphrons, so I guess I can get some Genestealer Cult Neophytes in the sexy mining suits, give them Servitor heads and an arm swap, then keep all the guns and stuff for parts. That's enough servitors for my Enginseer unit and to crew the ship easily along with the fleshy officers.

>>51852211
It's a pair of legs from the SW Grey Hunter pack. I think it might be a reference to the old Wulfen models, which had field repaired armour with mixed parts.

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>>51852211
Just standard mark VI power armour anon.

>>51852088
No, anon, MkIII arms and MkII torso.

>>51852330
There's mould lines on your alpha legion.

>>51852346
I was just going with what's easiest to do with plastic bits.

>>51841345
http://seraphon.deviantart.com

>>51852035
>WOLF'd
Stopped analysing there kiddo

>>51852412
That was quite a belated answer.

I'll take your word for it though. I ain't clicking that heresy nigga.

>>51852445
It's not that bad, in the first list I just saw a Riolou (pre-evolution of lucario) bound to a pole and wearing socks

>>51852330
What's with all the wolf iconography on those Ultramarines?

>>51852373
>>51852680
Colour isn't even close to either faction, its just a 40k sw theme.

>>51851877
>do you guys have mixed units?

Plastic tactical squad that has all the MkIV and MkVI bits I had.

>>51852743
It's extremely blue for a SW paintjob, even in 40k.

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>>51852797
This is straight out of the codex. The grey is strictly 30k.

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Been working on this in my head for a little while and decided to see what you all thought of it.

>>51853027
>>51852330
I didn't think SW could get any gayer.

>>51853053
Bull fucking shit. No one is that strong while Ahriman is consistently the strongest non- primarch psyker in the fluff..

>>51853053
I agree that he's too strong. Not even Ahriman is that strong.

Maybe make him a regular Praetor, just able to force rerolls on invulnerable saves for a phase/turn?

>>51853053
When he shoots a sister of silence with his gun, does he refer to it as a djehuti call?

>>51853053
Overpowered.
Reduce boltgun range and make him ML3 Pick.

50" bolter and ML5 Pick is absurd.

>>51853027
>Posting 40k.
Back to /40kg/ with you.

>Posting shitty colour schemes.
Absolute garbage.

>Posting yiffs.
KYS.

>>51853053
Please use a proper font. Caslon Antique.

>>51853104
>>51853132
Sorry about that he's supposed to be ML 3 the font makes it look like a 5 for some reason. Same with the bolter its supposed to be range 30".

>>51853053
Maybe go for sniper on the bolter rather than precision shot? And you might wanna change the armour save to 2+ due to the Art Armour.
>>51853104
Ahriman is a lvl 4 psyker and last time I checked 4 is higher than 3.

>>51853180
The font makes it look like it's 5.
>>51853158

>>51853152
That's a 3 not a five. 30" and ML 3.

See: >>51853158

>>51853163
You should consider changing font, now you've said it can can see it, but weighing that against like 4 people making the same mistake, I'd say your rules have a legibility problem.

>>51853053
It bothers me that he's WS 6.

He doesn't even have a special weapon on melee yet his score is so high.

>>51853156
>posting 40k
we were discussing mixing marks of power armour, fuck off

>posting shitty colour schemes
still painted better than any model you could shit out.

>posting yiffs
still sore Tyrone?

>>51853237
I went with WS 6 because that's the standard for praetors.
>>51853234
Yeah I'm going to change the fonts to something easier to read.

>>51853205
Maybe if you weren't a halfblind rabbit and spent more than 2 seconds looking at it you would have noticed that it was not in fact a 5.
Hell you even got a 5 in Init and AP to compare it with so no excuse there.

>>51853163
A "30 bolter is useless and just irritating (it should be 24" like the rest of them!), and being able to pick powers isn't anything too special.

If you want a special rule to represent him as a good shot and a guy who can use psychic powers at full exertion when it's most needed, there are ways more interesting and less... clumsy... than those rules you gave him.

>"Djehouti" isn't unique enough to be a relic. It's a Master-Crafted Bolter that has precision shots.
>he should have a pistol
>he should have a points cost?
>and his unique gimmick should be something like this:

"During one shooting phase per game Phosis T'Kar may take a leadership test at -2 leadership, if he succeeds, Phosis T'Kar and his unit, or a non-vehicle, non-flying unit within 18" may reroll their invulnerable saves, or if they do not have invulnerable saves, are treated as having a 5+ invulnerable save."
Something like that, I'm not a rules genius.

>>51853053

What did you use to make this?

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>>51848982
>>51849064
Dear Anons, thank you for the help. I made the following, I don't know if it's optimal or even viable, but it's as much Rip'n'Tear as I could fit in.

3000 Points
"Get on the Bus you twat!"
Model Count: 103
HQ = 425
Kharn the Bloody 190 - A
Gorechild

Galhan Surlak 110 - B

Forgelord /HHG Anon 125 - C
Thunderhammer, Rad Grenades, Nuncio Vox, Augury Scanner

Elites = 135
3 X Legion Apothecary - D/E/F
Chainaxes

Troops = 1230
1x 17 Tactical Marines 210 - ABC
Chainaxes, Power Fist, No Boltguns

3x 19 Tactical Marines 230 each - D/E/F
Chainaxes, Power Fist, No Boltguns

2x 10 Inductii Tactical Marines 165 each
Chainaxes, Power Fist, No Boltguns, Drop Pod

Fast Attack = 460
2x Storm Eagle Gunship 230 each - D/E
Ceramite Plating

Heavy Support = 750
Mastodon Heavy Transport 750 - A/B/C/F
Super-Heavy Command Tank, Command Vox Relay

>>51853427
GIMP 2

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>>51853053
>Orc

>>51853436
>Imperial Fists Neophyte Rhino.jpg

>>51853027
Even 40k SW are light blue rather than being almost teal. It's not a bad color, just doesn't seem very SW.

>>51850213
I like mixing black and blue for the base, washing with a dark brown, and then adding a little bit of blue to the highlight. It's barely visible, but the warm shadows and cool base and highlights seem to reduce the flatness. Then hit with dullcoat.

>>51853439
Cheers lad

>>51853442
He's so powerful he can reach into different universes.

>>51853454
I don't get this reference

>>51853442
>>51853479
He clearly meant Orruk™

>>51853502
It's yellow with black details, full of bullet holes, and is a school bus...

>>51853436
I think we've seen this list/variantions of it around 5 times the last 3 threads.

You might want to make the larger tactblobs Inductii instead, at least one 20 man squad which Galhan joins.

>>51853053
use garamond, it's the standard GW/FW rules font.

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>>51853612
proofs of because I'm bored

>>51853242
>>51853242

Not him but

>still painted better than any model you could shit out.
Sure m8, because your shit is sooooo good.
Watch out guys, we've got a golden daemon winner here, just look as his unbelievable base coat and wash style! Look at those carefully crafted moldlines! Those daring colours, so garish! His artistic genius is so much that he can paint better than all of us even without having to paint eye lenses or do any significant detail work!

>>51853558
Cheers anon, I'm trying to write my list so I can fight when Forgeworld does its eventual Battle for the Eternity Gate Event. The kind, helpful Anons in this thread have literally been guiding me through making my first/only HH army.

Is this better?

3000 Points
"We Need A New Driver!"
Model Count: 103
HQ = 425
Kharn the Bloody 190 - A
Gorechild

Galhan Surlak 110 - B

Forgelord /HHG Anon 125 - C
Thunderhammer, Rad Grenades, Nuncio Vox, Augury Scanner

Elites = 135
3 X Legion Apothecary - D/E/F
Chainaxes

Troops = 1230
1x 17 Tactical Marines 210 - A/B/D
Chainaxes, Power Fist, No Boltguns

1x 19 Augmented Inductii 210 - C
Chainaxes, Power Fist, No Boltguns

2x 19 Tactical Marines 230 each - E/F
Chainaxes, Power Fist, No Boltguns

2x 10 Inductii Tactical Marines 165 each
Chainaxes, Power Fist, No Boltguns, Drop Pod

Fast Attack = 460
2x Storm Eagle Gunship 230 each - E/F
Ceramite Plating

Heavy Support = 750
Mastodon Heavy Transport 750 - A/B/C/D
Super-Heavy Command Tank, Command Vox Relay

>>51853787
Fug

*C=B

>>51853787
you can't just "take a drop pod", you need a RoW for it.

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>>51853701
>>51853612
Close, but FW has edited the font slightly.

The bigger titles are with Celestia Antiqua Std

What are the LEAST effective ways to use a Leviathan? I don't want to be a WAAC, but I'm more worried about spending between £70 and 100 on a unit that might just be a turd if I buy the poor options or use it badly, so I want to know what to avoid with it

>>51853612
>>51853701
>>51853883
How do you get to be able to recognise all these different font types?

>>51853923

A special breed of Autism.

>>51853279
It's poor font choice.

>>51853883
Yeah, they have compressed the font spacing slightly, I'd expect using InCopy or InDesign's justification compression setting, so it might be hard to match consistently and I don't think it's as readable as the original.

Still, thanks for the Titles match, I know what GW uses for 40k (Allcaps bold Caslon Antique) but hadn't had luck finding the FW equivalent.

Now I just need to cook up some crunch for Stradon Binalt, since any chief techmarine that tells the mechanicum "we don't have time, quit the mumbling and get on with it" needs to have rules. (I've just been using a cataphractii forgelord for now)

>>51853894
You Dumb Fuck: Melee + Melee but no pod.
Bad: Melee + Gun but no pod.
Poor: Gun + gun but no pod.

Anything else: It works.

>>51853923
Probably studied graphic design or working in advertising. Anything where presentation is key, you study fonts.

>>51853934
Yeah, but which specific autism cult bonus?

>>51853894
Have it stand in the corner of your deploment zone, facing the table edge, and only equipped with CC fists.

>>51853813
3000 Points
"Finecast gave me cancer."
Model Count: 103
HQ = 425
Kharn the Bloody 190 - A
Gorechild

Galhan Surlak 110 - C

Forgelord /HHG Anon 125 - B
Thunderhammer, Rad Grenades, Nuncio Vox, Augury Scanner

Elites = 135
3 X Legion Apothecary - D/E/F
Chainaxes

Troops = 1230
1x 17 Tactical Marines 210 - A/B/D
Chainaxes, Power Fist, No Boltguns

1x 19 Augmented Inductii 210 - C
Chainaxes, Power Fist, No Boltguns

2x 19 Tactical Marines 230 each - E/F
Chainaxes, Power Fist, No Boltguns

2x 10 Inductii Tactical Marines 165 each
Chainaxes, Power Fist, No Boltguns, Rhino

Fast Attack = 460
2x Storm Eagle Gunship 230 each - E/F
Ceramite Plating

Heavy Support = 750
Mastodon Heavy Transport 750 - A/B/C/D
Super-Heavy Command Tank, Command Vox Relay

>>51853923
Mostly by trying to match the GW fonts previously for handouts for the local events I run, for making 40kRPG materials, and having spent some time doing semi-professional copy editing as a freelancer.

>>51853960

What are the cults of Autism?

>>51853945
Glad it helped! Now go forth and make some fake ass units to troll BOLS.

>>51853923
What >>51853956 said. It's easy to pick up on font types and peculiarities when you know what to look for.

>>51853981
Cult of Grammar
Cult of Spelling
Cult of Mathematics

>>51853969
I am flattered you named your forge lord after me, are you going to write it on his base?

>>51853950
>>51853964
Maybe then, I should rephrase to ask which weapons or weapon combinations to avoid

>>51854024
Sure, I was gonna name him Cuntbuster, but that wouldn't fly in most GW stores/Head Office.

>>51854021
Physics and armchair military tactics.

>>51854021
You forgot the Cult of Armor

>>51854076
*Armour

>>51854050
There's no bad combos. The weapons are fairly well balanced, so it's about what you want to fight.

Siege Claw vs multi-wound enemies.
Siege Drill vs vehicles.

Storm Cannon vs Marines and Monstrous Creatures.
Cyclonic Melta Lance vs Vehicles and Knights.
Grav-Flux Bombard vs Sv2+ and to annoy vehicles.

Pick your poison.

>>51854050
Long as you have a delivery mechanism and a clear target It's hard to go wrong with the leviathan. All the weapons are adequate at their job and there's no real stinker.

>>51853923
Garamond is one of the more common fonts used in work environments. I work in a frickin' structural engineering office and I was still able to recognize it. I only recognize 5-6 fonts and it's one of them.

>>51853894
As long as it has a drop pod, it'll be fine.

>>51853969
For readability's sake, I'd skip the "2x" stuff and just copy/paste the whole entry so it's more obvious that there are two of them. And we don't care how much you're spending on Fast Attack, so list transports after the units that are going inside them. Split up the HQ and Apocatheries in the same way.

Do you think the three ground vehicles can survive the first turn? I think you can if there's enough terrain. Should be fun, try it out.

>>51854068
>>51854076
Consolidated Autism Cult List

Cult of Grammar
Cult of Spelling
Cult of Mathematics
Cult of Physics
Cult of Armchair Military Tactics
Cult of Armor
Cult of Armour
Cult of Scathing Wit

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>>51853945
>>51853993
Actually, would /hhg/ like to assist?

Image is the passage that made me want to model the guy, from Soulforge.

Rank: Raven Guard Chief Techmarine
Notable Accomplishments: Dropsite survivor, Rebuilt Corax's wargear following the flight, Created prototype vengeance rounds from banestrike fragments, Upgraded a warlord titan's void shields to reflex shields on at least one occasion.

In books wore cataphractii, so that's what I was going with for armor, other wargear not defined.

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>>51854066
You can only know if you try it out

>>51854198
Cult of inevitable nitpicky posts

>>51854198
Where is the cult of universal animosity

>>51854236
Fuck you that's where

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How does company numbering work inside legions? Do Chapter s have their own first (1st) companies or can the "first" company of a nth Chapter be someting like 34th Assault company etc?

>>51854275
Probably a lot like modern militaries
1st Chapter, 1st Company, 1st squad Brother Anon
1/1/1

>>51853053

Its a good start, but it needs some work IMO.

Phosis should imo, be something in between the mind dakka rape that is Ahriman and a combat monster, so how about this?

Drop the bolter to a standard one, keep the sniping.

Then i'd give him something like Kine barriers, forcing charging units to reroll their charge if the player controlling Phosis so wishes.

Apart from that, i feel he needs a mastercrafted Force sword.

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>>51854198
>armor
>armour

Nice.

>>51854321
yes but would 2nd chapter start at 20th company?

>>51854236
More like cult of faggotry.

>>51854386
>>51854275
Anon, you sound like you want to play guard

>>51850724
Pred are good, just replace the predator cannon. Heavy bolters are Scarry. 12 shots per tanm at bs 5 will mince some infantry.

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>>51854418
no I'm just trying work out fluff for my chapter

>>51854275

I'd assume it differs from legion to legion, much like IRL, units get merged, split, reformed, moved commands etc.

For example, the PAVN's 3rd division consisted of the regiments 201, 205 and 271A. I'd presume that much of the same would happen with the legions, where Chapters would consist of companies with numbers not entirely logical. Which would be fine for some legions, while Smurfs and EC would simply rename them.

>>51854198
Updated Autism Cults List

Cult of Grammar
Cult of Spelling
Cult of Mathematics
Cult of Physics
Cult of Armchair Military Tactics
Cult of Armor
Cult of Armour
Cult of Scathing Wit
Cult of Inevitable Nitpicky Posts
Cult of Universal Animosity
Cult of Faggotry

>>51854386
no, it would be 2/1/1
2nd Chapter, 1st company, 1st squad.

OR, the first squad of the first company of the second chapter.

>>51854493
Well, which legion?

>>51853456
>Even 40k SW are light blue rather than being almost teal. It's not a bad color, just doesn't seem very SW.
Not since the last codex hit the fan. I fucking hate the yiffs, yet I was disgusted.

>>51854585
Death Guard.