Warhammer 40k General - /40kg/

>>51840409
Fuck off.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-EU/Ironstrider-Ballistarius

https://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQGA

I want to die for The Visarch!

>>51837978

Bumping from last thread

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When will Orks get new models and perhaps a much needed buff?

>>51840501
Later this year.

>>51840501
Hope we get some new deffkoptas

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>2 infantry models away from having a fully painted 2000-point IG army
Such a satisfying feeling.

>>51840487
I guess it would depend a lot on your local meta. Is this supposed to be an all comers list, or what?

>>51840487
Seems alright. Biggest thing I'm noticing is the combi-flamers on the Dev squads, which seems a bit odd, but it's fine if you just want the extra overwatch ability against tarpits.

What type of Imperial Guard will replace Cadians? I'm guessing some sort of Scions Lite kit. I doubt we will see one of the existing ones get an update to be the new posterboy of the guard

>>51840501
How competative are orks as a whole these days? I've gotten beaten by orks twice in the past year or so, once against tag-team guard/marines vs. their Orks/Deldar, and once against a dude running all kinds of bikes and bikes with his bikes.

They seemed pretty competitive, although admittedly I wasn't running tournament lists.

>>51840564

They're not going to be replaced. The gear Cadians use is basically the template gear for 90% of guard units.

>>51840522
Battle for Vedros

Should I run 10 dire avengers in a raider with nightshields?
Itll be like shoota boyz in a trukk expect the vehicle and men can actually survive and can kill stuff so itll be nothing like orks actually.

>>51840399
That's it. I'm sick of all this "S User AP-" bullshit that's going on in the 40k system right now. Chainswords deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine chainsword from Mars for 3 minutes of sex with the Fabricator-General (that's about $800,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut through saw-retardant clothing with my chainsword.

Adeptus Mechanicus smiths spend years working on a single chainsword and test it up to a million times to produce the finest melee weapons known to the Imperium.

Chainswords are thrice as choppy as power weapons and thrice as gory for that matter too. Anything a power sword can cut through, a chainsword can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a chainsword could easily bisect an Astartes wearing Terminator armor with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why the Eldar never bothered conquering the Imperium? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Space Marines and their chainswords of destruction. Even in the 13th Black Crusade, Chaos soldiers targeted the Marines with the chainswords first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Chainswords are simply the best weapon that the universe has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the 40k system. Here is the stat block I propose for chainswords:

S x2 AP2 Melee, Armorbane

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of chainswords in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Chainswords need to do more damage in 40k, see my new stat block.

>>51840588
Do you think they'll still be called Cadians? I just assume it wont be business as usual after having Cadia blow up, but then again I am quite new to GW's shenanigans

>>51840613

Nope. They'll probably just be reboxed as "Astra Militarum Infantry".

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>>51840611
>saw-retardant clothing with my chainsword
F A L S E
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>>51840611
>S x2 AP2 Melee, Armorbane
>there are already chainswords with this stat block

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>Aeldari
GW couldn't have picked a better name.

>>51840501
IF Dawn of War 3 becomes big, we will probably see the new GW to promote some love for the 3 factions it portrays.
Orkz, Eldar and SM.

>>51840662
Is that actually you, this time?

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>>51840564
>>51840613
>>51840628
>they haven't actually read Fall of Cadia
Just because Cadia is gone does not mean the end for Cadian Shock Troops. Only a tiny percentage of Cadian forces were o nthe planet at the time of its destruction because the regiments are so numerous they are spread throughout the entire galaxy. Add the the fact that there are MULTIPLE planets named Nova Cadia, and I'm seeing it's highly unlikely the Cadian people nor the word's martial traditions will die out any time soon.

Besides, Caliban was fucking wasted, did the Dark Angels die out? Most of the Traitor Legions' homeworlds were Exterminatus'd, but have the legions gone anywhere?

>>51840661
that's the joke friend

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>>51840611
>His chainsword isnt S+1 AP6

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>>51840611
>I2
>Why people like Mechanicus
>Celestine not a SoB
>Etc etc etc

Can we stop?

>>51840716
Khaine, Cegorach and Ynnaed, I love Aspect Warriors.

>>51840661
>>51840708
>>51840716
That I can think of off the top of my head, there are chainblades with the following bonuses:
SU AP- (standard)
SU AP4 (chain axes, 40k)
S+1 AP6 (eldar chainswords)
S+1 AP5 (WE chain axes, 30k)
S+1 AP3 (the wolve's frost swords)
S+1 AP2 (Loken's chain "paragon" sword)
S+2 AP5 (Heavy chainblades)
S+2 AP2 (frost axes)
Sx2 AP2 (eviscerators, Gabriel Seth's sword)

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>mfw 2d6 + 9 + 2d6+3 rerollable charging Berzerkers on turn 1
>mfw 2d6 + 12" + rerollable charge Maulerfiends on turn 1
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

>>51840399
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fucks sake have some decency with the OP copying.

also general question, are fusion blasters and hammerheads the only effective way for tau to defeat AV14 apart from riptide nova charged ion cannons (s9ap3 large blast from memory)

aside from hammerheads (and riptides i suppose but i dont own any) theres a lot of emphasis on good deep strikes. i know 40k isnt exactly swarming with av14 but they are around.

>>51840778
You forgot Eldar chainsabres (S+1 AP5 Rending) and biting blade (S+2 AP4)

>frost swords
>frost axes
These are power weapons, aren't they?

>>51840800
Last time I stopped the [Embed] chain people were disappointed, anon. At least I posted the Duncan AND kept it.

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>>51840800

>fucks sake have some decency with the OP copying.

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>>51840742
>You can now put Howling Banshees in an Assault Transport
>You can now put D-Flamers in an open topped transport
>You can now put Dire Avengers in an open topped transport and gunboat
>You can now have a 10 point HQ
>You can now put fire dragons in a cheaper transport that can deepstrike
>You can now take harlequins in Raiders so you run more than 6 guys
>You can finally butt-buddy and 3 eldar factions without wasting points on HQ's and troops if you dont want them
I love my space elves

>>51840662
>Dark Aelderi
>from Acommorraghri

>Termies should always get a save!
>Meanwhile Orks still on 0

>>51840814
>These are power weapons, aren't they?
Yes and no. GW seems to have forgotten and just made them into "weapons literally made of ice", but originally they were chain weapons made with kraken teeth instead of the typical metal ones.

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>Orks are a melee race!
>I2

>>51840829
Dark eldar are called Drukhari

>>51840824
>You can now have a 10 point HQ
Wat.

Explain.

Also, OH GOD, are GW actually doing the "All elves unite because Malekith was really a good guy" thing again? Please tell me Vect isn't a good guy now.

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>>51840829

>>51840800
Im pretty sure Broadsides throw enough S8 shots to glance an AV14 box in a turn or two and considering how expensive AV14 is then you wont see many of them, if you need it done faster then Piranhas, Riptides and Fusion Suits are your better options. Tau can literally shoot anything off the table, from flyers to MCs to AV14 and Hordes, you got ALL the tools so use them.

>>51840861
Vect is actually the only relevant Eldar character openly against it so far.

Which means they'll just kill him off.

>>51840857
>Adrukhareri

>>51840854
Nigger you think this is a game?! I once watched 2000 points of orks shoot 2000 points of tau off a board. 1500 of those points were just bubble gun emplacements.

>>51840778

>S+2 AP5 (Heavy chainblades)
Is there a single unit in the game that uses these mythical weapons?

>>51840824
>Castellan of the Imperium are still just Battle Brothers
>Even when they talk about armies of the Imperium they are all different factions
>No Mechanicus buddies
>Other factions need and update
>Eldar get more broken

Is GW pulling another Warhammer fantasy? Activily killing the game with their mentally retarded desicions?

>>51840886
It's a 30k thing. No one ever takes them though, if that's what you're alluding to.

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Going to a Tourney. Is this still the list de jour for AdMech? I don't have a Crawl.

>>51840861
>Explain.
Court of the Archon Lahmaean. Fracture of Biel-Tan gave the Eldar a united formation that lets you cherrypick the best units from all three factions while Corsairs get fuck all as always, and are the only cool Eldar left

>Please tell me Vect isn't a good guy now.
He's against the Ynnari meme.

>>51840865
>1 (one) shot
>BS3 twin-linked
>enough shots

>>51840861
>Please tell me Vect isn't a good guy now.

Vect and like half of his city hate the Ynnari and aint buying their shit. I would not be surprised if GW made a Crone Eldar+Vect's Dark Eldar faction to be the new evil eldar faction.

>>51840861
Llamewhogives a fuck, Court of the Archon is a valid HQ choice.

>>51840872
Nah, the Haemonculi are against Ynnari too, so Rakarth is too.

>>51840895
>their mentally retarded desicions?
Guilliman is waking up and working with chaos marines.

Yes. That is exactly what they're doing.

>>51840913
>He thinks Cypher is chaos

>>51840800
Haywire Grenades

>>51840913
Guilliman is now an Eldar Primarch.

>>51840897

I was referring more to their entry in the 40k rulebook, with no 40k units to use them.

>>51840922
>he thinks that even "loyalist" and "traitor" DAngles aren't heretics

>>51840922
He certainly isnt loyalist.

>>51840861
Vect is a good guy now. He is hunting daemon worshiping witch Yvraine.

>>51840939
I didn't even know that was a thing.

>>51840922
DAngels are a lot like the Alpha Legion in that no matter how trustworthy or well motivated they might seem, you still shouldn't trust them, because half of their decision making is based on lies, deception, and rolling a dice for some LOLRANDUMB plot twists.

>>51840937
I mean, Eldar Ultramarines aren't exactly without precedent.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Illiyan_Nastase

How are new custodes made?
Considering they were down to less than 1/10th their strength before the siege and then emps got himself a bit crippled, who's making the new ones? Are they even as good as the originals?

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Should I take a Librarian instead of a Brother-Captain/Grand Master?

>>51841015
I don't remember seeing any lore saying that the emperor was personally building each custodian.

>Are they even as good as the originals?
Could we please not start this again?

>>51841037

I thought it was pretty heavily implied that he had a significant personal investment in their creation.

>Are they even as good as the originals?
>Could we please not start this again?

I'm curious because the original ones all actually wore armour, had all that ridiculous training and had experience at war, whereas the new dudes are, unless im mistake, pissing around in leather clothing and dont leave the palace

>>51841061
>I'm curious because the original ones all actually wore armour, had all that ridiculous training and had experience at war, whereas the new dudes are, unless im mistake, pissing around in leather clothing and dont leave the palace
LET'S NOT DO THIS AGAIN ANON

>>51841035
Yes.

>>51841084

I don't know what you're referring to, this is the first time I've asked a question

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>>51841099
Does this look better? Should I drop some upgrades for falchions?

>>51841129
Oh.

Well consider that they never actually sealed the hole between the warp and terra from when Magnus [DID SOMETHING WRONG], as far as we know. Even when Emps was alive, he couldn't seal it, he just kept it from growing and kept corruption from pouring through. Someone is standing at that gate fighting armies of daemons, and many think that's what the custodes have been doing for ten thousand years.

Also it's worth considering that curstodes don't age, so a lot of the Companions could still be kicking around in the imperial palace.

>>51840501
After the Tyranids

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Alright, finally settled on a list (I think).

Hopefully not going to regret not taking any Plasma and taking the Icarus over the Neutron Laser.

>>51841142
I'm not a Grey Knights player, so I can't say. I've just found that whenever you're playing MEQ, it's better to take force multipliers to help make up for your lack of numbers, rather than taking a melee beatstick. A librarian throwing out buffs and debuffs will cause a lot more casualties than any melee beatstick short of a pimped chaos lord of a daemon prince.

>>51840994
Ynnari to the Drukhari Overlord!

O Overlord, Drukhari devil and damned devil's kith and kin, secretary to She Who Thirsts herself. What the devil kind of knight are thou, that canst not slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The She Who Thirsts shits, and your army eats. Thou shallt not, thou son of a whore, make subjects of Ynnari sons; we have no fear of your army, by Warp Portal and by Void we will battle with thee, fuck thy mother.

Thou Old City scullion, Hidden Blade wheelwright, brewer of Port Carmine, Khymera-fucker of Corespur, groxherd of High and Lower Commoragh, pig of Sec Maegra, Aelindrach thief, catamite of the Port of Lost Souls, hangman of Desaderia, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before Ynnead, grandson of She Who Thirsts, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, un-reborn brow, screw thine own mother!

So the Ynnari declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding pigs for the Ynnari. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year with Ynnaed, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

>>51840685
>Implying it wasn't him posting last thread.

How can it be that Chapter Relic's meele weapons, 10k years old, from metal that never break are just master crafted power swords/axes + two handed?

>>51841201
>tfw everyone on /tg/ plays Astra Militarum so I can never get advice

>>51841179

I see.
They seem to be quite mistreated in the books after the heresy, for example in one of the beast arises novels they get absoltuely slaughtered by two eldar.

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>>51840857
>Drukhari
It's pronounced Drew Carey.

>>51841224

How come a wooden stick has the same hitting power as a chainsaw/sword hybrid?

>>51840778
Seth's isn't ap2. It's ap4 with rending. ...I think.

>>51841282
Hahahahahahaa, oh god anon, that's how I'm saying it 100% of the time at the LGS now, thanks for that.

>>51841224
Because the really complex and special ones don't work any more? The only ones that still work 10k years later are the ones that are fairly simple, and built from indestructible materials.

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>>51841282

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>Never played 40k before but got interested in lore
>Spend few days on reading codices, wiki etc.
>Nids and Orks are definitely my favourite factions by fluff and models
>Time to finally visit /40kg/ and read something more about their gameplay
>Mfw I realized that I have choose two most unplayable armies right now

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>>51841282

>>51841354
>Mfw I realized that I have choose two most unplayable armies right now

But you're not playing Dark Eldar + Orks.

>>51840611
Saved.

>>51841354
Pretty much. That said, you should still pick an army you like. Rules can change, but it's better to pick based on fluff or looks than just power.

Depending on your local meta, it may work out alright anyway.

>>51841373
At least Deldar have access to actual ranged anti-tank at higher than BS 2.

>>51841373
DEldar and Orks can be pretty competative if you use them right. DEldar especially, and Orks can have some MEAN speed freaks lists.

>>51841226
wait, i thought the polls showed TG mostly played vanilla marines?

>>51841224
superior imperial craft prayed over a thousand times

>>51840886
Thallax with the Ferrox upgrade will rek you for 3 S7 Rending hits each.

>>51841373
Casual Dark Eldar have it better than 'Nids.

Kabalites are half decent troops and they have good transport options.

>>51841354
I get that feeling.
I played orks when they were still kinda good and picked up CSM when they got their terrible codex.

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Alright, I'm curious, show me what you got WHG.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12390656

I just read the new Alpha Legion rules in the Traitor Legions book and noticed they have a suit of relic armour that gives a 2+ save, and an extra 2++ save against Flamer weapons "as described by the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook."

However, none of the flamer weapons in the rulebook have AP 1 or 2, so to me it looks like this invulnerable save is completely worthless.
Or am I reading that wrong?

>>51841604
But anon, "even Flamestorm Cannons wash along it like an obsidian pillar"
Nevermind that those are AP3 and Artificer Armor does the same

>>51841583
CSM were good when their codex was new because of Heldrakes and Nurgle

>tfw Tzeentch player
I literally dropped the codex after about a year after being unable to do anything for editions on end. 3.5 rewrite when?

>>51841603
The usual offenders are Guard, Chaos and Marines my friend. /tg/ occasionally sees Ork players too but I doubt many of them actually play the game.

>>51841622
Exactly.

>>51840675
>GW promoting Eldar and Marines even more
Oh god no.
I'm an Ork player and I'd love some attention but god damn it it isn't worth giving Eldar and Marines MORE STUFF

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>>51841603
You got an interesting poll there, I voted the best army, of course.

>>51841624
CSM are banging right now though. Got my ass handed to me by Tzeench marines with Ahriman, and my tournament list got the best match every from a dude running nurgle bikers with the new Death Guard legion rules.

>>51841604
You can get the occasional rending flamer.

>>51840530
Post pics please. I am about 40 models and 2 tanks away from my 1850 list.

Can you have multiple copies of the same detachment in an army?

>>51841664
Traitor legions helped a lot. I would say 1k sons are still in a bit of a bad spot due to leaning so hard on magnus, and Word Bearers don't have much going for them aside from demon spam.

Still, an extra list of relics, warlord traits, formations, and just free special rules is always a nice perk.

>>51841604
This >>51841666 would be the only thing I could think of that would really do it.

>>51841603
>Cog Boys (Cult Mechanicus, Adeptus Mechanicus, Skitarii)

You could just scrap that AdMech part, bro.

>>51841624
I play Orks! I unironically run boyz and sometimes win games!
I like Orks alot.

>>51841656
Orks have gotten much more attention that some factions have with waagh ghazgul, the warboss grukk box and the new fighter-bomber.

The problem is all the Ork releases are shit, unless GW hire a new team that can write worthwhile rules for them then there is no point getting a new release.

>>51841603
>Go over the list, check through the boxes
>Realize the only things I don't have are Orks, Guard, Necrons, and Admech

I may have a slight problem about starting new armies.

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>>51840399
>MFW I actually just lost a hand and I'm getting a mechanical prosthetic.
I've played Eldar until now but this is destiny!

THE FLESH IS WEAK! IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT!!!...

Plus, I'm going to lose a lot of dexterity now that I lost my painting hand, so I can't really pain the fancy patterns on my harlies anymore.

>>51841732
Why not just pay the Tau/Eldad guys to write every codex at this point. It's like they want to keep the other factions shit.

At the risk of bringing shit posters, does anyone remember the name of the loyalist band of Night Lords that, iirc, were back on Terra and were basically sent out on vengeance missions? I remember seeing their description in an official nook picture somewhere, but I can't for the life of me remember their name.

>>51841745
>Plus, I'm going to lose a lot of dexterity now that I lost my painting hand, so I can't really pain the fancy patterns on my harlies anymore.
Embrace that bitterness. It'll be thematic if nothing else.

>>51841715
Also the heat lance of the triarch stalker if you go by very RaW.

SLAANESH NOT DEATH.
GW realised Slaanesh Sorcerer who is trying to find Dark Prince. for AoS

>>51840778

Nostroman Chainglaives are 2H +1S Ap3 Rending from 30k

>>51841656
Does it even matter this point? What's the difference between 50 supplements and 51 supplements? Let them have their shiny toys as long as you get something.

>>51841715
ap 1d6 flamers, like the DE ones.

>>51841765
*DEAD

>>51841755
Is that he Pale Nomads or was the a Raven Guard thing.

Something something, space sharks, something.

Friendly reminder that Flashgitzs are considered a pinnacle shooting unit according to GW.

>>51841754
You would have to tell them that the rules are for a new Tau or Craftworld supplement though, otherwise they'd just make it shit.

>>51841797
What are they rolling with? Not familiar with the unit.

>>51841774
Aren't those just templates, not actual flamer weapons?

>>51841354
Ignore it, pick the army you like.

>>51841745
What happened? Factory accident? Military? Diabeatsbydre?

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Improved my Primus/Commisar conversion as one anon suggested by rebasing him on a larger base and placing the hat discarded, as if he's dropping his disguise for the uprising.

Also gave the now armless Primus body some demolition charges.

So a friend of mine is saying 40k is too over the top for him to take seriously, but he likes stuff like Halo.

How do I persuade him?

>>51841754
Although Tau aren't what they once were either. Some of the new Chaos, Space Wolves, and Blood Angels formations will eat them alive.

>Yeah, and your shooting is great, but 75% of my army is within charging distance on turn 1, and we can all charge!

>>51841818
22 points.

BS 2, 6+ Save, 2 Wounds.

24" Assault 3 Str 5 AP D6.

Special rule - Targetting squig, if this model did not move in its previous shooting phase it counts its BS as 1 point higher.

Heavy support slot.

>>51841783

No, it wasn't either of them. I believe their colors were exactly the same except without the lightning.

I'm debating building my HH sets as them and then using them in 40k just so I can use a few drop pods. I'd just play 30k but A) no one here plays 30k and B) we mostly play 1000-1250pt games, which doesn't work so well for 30k rules.

>>51841774
>>51841761
>>51841666
But it's rules say it had to be one of the Flamers from the rulebook. It doesn't work against all template weapons, just flamers.
Since the DEldar one shoots acid and isn't listed as a flamer, it wouldn't count.

Do penetrating haywire shots roll on the vehicle damage table? If they do, i assume that is with no ap modifer

>>51841856
Heh. Heh. Funny. That said..

>AP D6
Don't underestimate this. Saw orks spam the shit out of this shit with bubble chuckas or whatever they're called and outshoot tau.

>2 wounds
Seriously, or is that 2 wound meme transitory now?

>>51841754
They DO write the same rules but for some reason they give Orks shit rules.
I think it's because they just write what they think sounds appropriate fluff wise without stopping to think how it would play on the table.

Here's a real mystery for you though.
The guy they had write the eldar and dark eldar codexes are the same guy.
He collects and plays both armies.
He gave eldar D flamers and gutted the dark eldar codex.

Figure that one out.

>>51841867
The heat ray counts as a flamer.

>>51841818
BS 2

>>51841847

>He likes halo

Get a new friend without shit taste who likes Metroid Prime.

>>51841765
Yeah, Slaanesh isn't dead. Just AWOL. Functionally there's not much of a difference, since Slaanesh isn't around either way. And sure, at least the plot point exists, but Warhams has never been known for following though on its subplots.

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>>51841879
>
>AP D6
>Don't underestimate this. Saw orks spam the shit out of this shit with bubble chuckas or whatever they're called and outshoot tau.

>>51841830
>Military?
Nothing as cool as that. Car crash. A semi driver was feeling a bit too aggro. All in all, came out pretty good. Although if you want a progoundly frustrating experience, spend a while browsing 4chan when you can only type with your left hand.

>>51841883
Oh, neat.

>>51841871
Who told you they didn't? Penetrating means you roll.

>>51841879
>bubble chuckas
AND Sd6, so 1/1 2/2 and so on.

>>51841879
They're nobz so toughness 4 wounds 2.

Bubble chuckas are complete shit, you roll a d6 for their strength and ap so if you roll a 6 they're strength 6 ap 6, if you roll a 2 they're strength 2 ap 2.
So basically they have a meaningful strength or meaningful ap but NEVER both.

>>51841896
No joke. It was a 2000 point list, and about 1500 points of that was just bubble chucka platforms.

S d6 APd6 large blasts, and like 15 of those pieplates flying around each turn, with bike squads picking off the tanks.

Tabled on turn 3.

>>51841919
>>51841916
Okay hearing this makes me think the Ork player was using them wrong, because he was rolling a D6 for strength THEN a D6 for AP, not treating them as the same value.

>>51841939
Why the fuck would you treat those as the same value?

>>51841839

>trenchcoat
>inhuman visage
>suspicious suitcase
>bundle of cartoon dynamite

So you're intentionally going for your opponents making jihadi jokes, right?

>>51841915
With no ap bonuses? Dunno, just seems to make haywire slightly op

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Are any of these worth taking?

>>51841954
see >>51841919

I just mean that he was rolling a dice for strength then one for ap, not one dice for both. Sorry if I phrased that weird.

>>51841954
Because that's the weapon rule.

>>51841667

Of everything in my 2k list?
In 1 shot?

>>51841908
Poor thing. Stay strong. If you need some love I can show you my boipucci.

>>51841967
Don't know much about chaos marines, but this might help you.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Chaos_Space_Marines(7E)#Word_Bearers

>>51841967
Scriptures, Tome, and Icon are great for how cheap they are. The others range from meh to average.

>>51840611
10/10

>>51841987
Well you don't have to. How about your list? What units do you take? I'm looking for inspiration too.

>>51841991
>If you need some love I can show you my boipucci.
Three problems with that.

First, I feel like you'd get a temp ban for posting porn on a blue board.

Second, I don't need to get hard in a hospital.

Third, you just said boipucci.

>>51841967
Malefic tome is bretty good, if you wanna summon lots of deamoms (as word bearers, you do.)

>>51841967
The Crown might be good in place of a Sigil, or in place of an Aura on things that can't get one. The Crozius is overcosted unless you're fighting Imperials, since it's just an AP 3 power maul for double the price. The others could be worthwhile, but the big benefit is that they're all really cheap. The Script and Tome seem the best of those if you want to go for summoning or psyker stuff. The others seem more situational.

>>51841954
It's an EXPLICIT special rule the weapon has.

>>51840778

Do Chainfists count? Or at least whatever those things are that Tyberos works with?

>>51841849
>What is Intercept
>What is letting you rape some shield units and shoot you to bits the turn after

>>51840861
A harlequin slut named sindari offered every single man in the imperium a blowjob if they helped her bring ynnead to life

>>51841967
>>51842028
Would you be able to take a level 3 prince, roll three times on biomancy, take the tome and get summoning for free?

>>51842024
I figured saying it would make you smile. I'll let you think about my booty instead of posting it, just know it's out there giving you a little shake.

I Calgar mostly bionics or did they reattach his limbs?

>>51842052
Yes. That's what it's there for.

>>51842044
Intercept can't kill everything, and if you're minsquading, you can literally engage every single unit they have on the board on turn 1.

>>51842054
THE FLESH IS WEAK

>>51842075
I HOPE SO

>>51842075
He's mostly robit at this point.

>>51841967
Man I wish helbrute champions could take relics or benefit from Traitor Legions 'tactics'.

>>51842075
Is*

>>51840551
>>51840561
Sorry, went afk for a while. I guess it could be seen as a "little bit of everything" list. I've heard how space marines are the most jack-of-all-tradesy of the armies and decided to just keep to that. And yes, I though combi flamers for the devs would help them deal with a pesky melee unit that somehow got to them.

>>51841847
Look up the elysian guard regiment.

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Wait a minute, if you have no Psykers in your army or aren't planning on summoning Daemons, the Word Bearers rules are useless?

Zealot is a conferred rule, and the only ones who can have it are Dark Apostles or your Warlord, so that means they were more than likely already a part of a unit.

No one uses Posessed except as tax.

Malefic Daemonology is cheese incarnate.

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>>51841282

>>51842120
>I though combi flamers for the devs would help them deal with a pesky melee unit that somehow got to them.
IMO, they're not worth it. If your devs are in melee you already done goofed, and an extra D3 s4 hits aren't going to make a ton of difference. Might be better to spend the points elsewhere.

Keep in mind that space marines have versitility out the ass, so stacking redundancy on top of that versatility ends up being wasted points. If your devs get caught in melee you're relying on their good stat line to keep them alive, and 2 extra hits aren't making a ton of difference.

>>51840815
I will just say that it is definitely no longer the dweekend.

>>51842022

I'll photograph my stuff, the model that I was painting just snapped when I set it down.
I'll be 5 minutes.

>>51841908
You can also make an AoS orks army and cut off all of their right hands, replace them with swords and shivs, and make a shattered hand army from warcraft. The trailer for kargath in WoD was actually badass as fuck

>>51840792
>mfw 2d6 + 12" + rerollable charge Maulerfiends on turn 1
Read the rules, frog poster

>>51842139
The only advantage of the zealot bubble is that it can give it to walkers and MC's.

>>51841754
Because that's how we got the last codex.
"No one in the studio actively plays Orks so we had no idea where to go with them" is how you get such a shitty codex: The people who get paid to WRITE the rules DON'T HAVE the knowledge/versatility that a fuckload of players have.

>>51842157
Will definitely swap things around then.
Should anything go on the Techmarine? I just have it for the detachment and I honestly don't know how to equip him. Minus the two combi flamers means an extra 20 points that might be used on him.

These captchas are starting to get on my nerves.

>>51841656
>I'm an Ork player and I'd love some attention but god damn it it isn't worth giving Eldar and Marines MORE STUFF

I just want updates to failcast stuff that's already there. Aspect Warriors mostly.

>>51841745

The GW sculptor who sculpted the Green Knight model also lost his dominant hand during a historical reenactment event (he and his wife were cannon operators). He taught himself to write and work with his non-dominant hand until he got good with it, then he built a custom prosthetic hand for sculpting and painting to his own desires.

In fact, the Green Knight was the first sculpt he made after he recovered and retrained himself; more than a model, it was defiance in the face of tragedy, it was a cry of victory.

>>51842139
well, they are known as the daemon summoning legion

>>51842052
you still need to take a level in your god specific psyker table

>>51842221
what if they made orks terrible on purpose? or perhaps they had that same problem where they had too much input and had to cut a lot of stuff

Nids should get a USR that makes wounds from flamers (like actual fire) take a turn to come into effect yay or nay

>>51842139
>>51842139
Pretty much. Only real benefit is the zealot bubble. Possessed troops are better found in Crimson Slaughter

>>51842139
Better Apostles and better summoning, both good and you can make something with them. I wouldnt call them bad rules, just fluffy and regular in terms of power.

>>51842272
Then GW squat the army. Because they have no respect for their employee or consumers

>>51842304
Nay, of you go by fluff on every little thing you'd have more exceptions than rules.

>>51842030
>>51841973
>>51841976
I wouldnt know I've never read the ork codex

>>51840913
how the fuck is Guilliman supposed to know who Cypher is with the whole
>HIDE FUCKING EVERYTHING
nonsense the Dark Angels put themselves through?

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>>51841603
http://www.strawpoll.me/12390656
>Orks, daemons, CSM and guard most played faction
>Deldar competing with marines for second place
/tg/ has good taste

>>51842340
Heck, Crimson Slaughter get an artifact that turns the wielder into a Daemon.

>>51842345
How are Apostles better though? I mean, yeah, you can give MCs and Walkers Zealot, but other than that, I can't really see how that's a buff?

And I'm not saying better summoning's bad ruleswise, but I hate it on a cheese level.

>>51842349

Wasn't about the army or GW, but the man behind it and the struggle to live and create even at the costly loss of limb. What GW did to Bretonnia is irrelevant to the story's pointed message.

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>>51841603
>More Nids players than Tau

Shouldn't Khorne Berserkers have Feel No Pain?
I feel as if it would be both fluffy and an optimal buff.

>>51842194
Not an argument, shitposter. How am I wrong? You can't even refute me but you're mad CSM are good now.

>>51842386
>How are Apostles better though?

By having a 6'' bubble, I mean it doesnt make them great just better than normal Apostles but with two Apostles placed in the middle of a bunch of units you could potentially get several units with Zealot as opposed to just one or two. I use Grimaldus and he has that 6'' Zealot bubble which is fucking great when two or more units charge in and hate-fuck shit up.

>>51842374
Not any more.

>>51842386
>Crimson Slaughter get an artifact that turns the wielder into a Daemon.
Possession should be a Chaos Reward upgrade in general

>>51841603

Ok, of the 5 of us who play them, how many other Sisters players run them as main? How many have more than 1000 points?

They're my main running over 2000 at the moment.

>>51842386
Apostles ordinarily give Zealot to just their unit. Now its all units within 6". That is an improvement, and means you don't need as many of them to have multiple fearless hatred blobs or whatever.

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>>51841603
>Eldar 6 votes

>>51840913
I'm confident that Guilliman wouldn't blindly trust a rogue Space Marine after all the shit Big Blue went through before he got put in the freezer. If he's hanging out with Cypher there's probably a good reason for it. And he's probably not chugging along without any assurances or without keeping some distance.

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>>51842022
>>51842172

Sorry about the electronic door stoppers in the background.
The black/red object in the foreground is my half-painted Regimental standard.

>>51842445
>How am I wrong?
By reading your rules, you would know the answer
>you're mad CSM are good now.
I play World Eaters, you ignoramus

8e will make Possessed great again!

>>51842530
You can't see it but I'm giving a notably satisfied smile along with approving head nodding.

Very nice anon. Gonna inspire me to finish mine. How does the Deathstrike perform for you? And is that emplacement gun worth it? I have one unbuilt but I don't know the rules for it.

>>51842504
7 votes. And the Eldar Extras with 5.

Rise my glorious cheeselords.

>>51842504
Sure, it's my off army for when I'd like to succeed on 2/3s instead of 5s.

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>>51842572
>allies only codex has 5 votes
>tau have 3
All is right with the world.

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I found a box full of metal Slaneesh demons.

I think they are made out of lead since they are heavier than other GW metal.

Since I'm in a Banana republic I can assume they are fake models from Argentina.

How much rage would it induce in the first world if I run them as DCA?

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>>51842504
i just got an oop eldar battleforce; fear my mighty guardians.

>>51842526
well big blue should've been given a rough recap over the last few thousand years by calgar and the ultramarines, greyfax, cawl, and the eldar. so i guess all those people trust the dark angels and cypher well enough?

>>51842569

I'm glad to hear it dude.

>How does the Deathstrike perform for you?
It atomises Ravenwing/Ork biker lists, it's worth its 1-shot just for that.

>is that emplacement gun worth it?
Although it's 50pts, a company command squad can use "Fire on my target"/"Take it down" to do a lot of damage to flying monstrous creatures in a short amount of time, and the occasional flyer too.

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>>51842676

Meant to attach this.

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>>51842566

Wish they'd make Fear mean something, too.

Of course, Drop Pods would be nice for my spooks, too. Hell, I'd be perfectly fine with Dreadclaws if they were like 15pts cheaper and not hungry hungry hippos.

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>>51841282
>mfw I was the guy who started that when they were first announced as the Drukhari
>mfw I don't play Dark Eldar anymore, I play The Price is Right: The Army

>>51841354
nids are not bad anon....

>>51842676
It has skyfire? Shit that's awesome. Where are the rules? I already have a CCS with 2 HWS behind an aegis in my list, so dropping another 50 points shouldn't be so bad to get the gun.

>>51842722
Love it. Makes me want to build my unbuilt Manticore as a Deathstrike. Is there anyway to magnetize it to switch between the 2? Or is that a really hard endeavor?

I also like the little guy checking to see if it's safe yet.

>>51842764
Tau?

>>51842732
i've had fear come into play against orks or tau but when you're ws5 or better across the board then it's a done deal. it's amusing watching ws2 crisis suits flail then get instant killed by a khorne herald on juggeranut.

>>51842784
I also play Tau, but nigga, who's the host of The Price is Right?

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>>51842732
>fear/leadership fuckery is your army's gimmick
>tfw when practically all the armies you face are blanket immune to it

>>51842795
Bob Hope I thought.

>>51841142
Why the psilencer in the Strike Squad?
> The incinerator tells me you want to get close; the psilencer says you want to sit still
Why all halberds, all the time?
Why no hammers?

>>51842531
>implying I didn't read them
Do you want me to post them for you like the retarded child you are?

>>51842775

>Is there anyway to magnetize it to switch between the 2?
I made an attempt, but gave up and settled for the Deathstrike.
There tutorials to magnetise it, but I lack the patience for it.

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What the best way to use Eldar Guardians?
I understand theyre pretty good compared to most codexes, but I feel 12" guns and the loss of Battle Focus Because im taking the Ynnead book Im sorrywill harm them.
I feel like they are better for sitting on an objective and bunkering it down, but do you guys have any suggestions on how to run them?
I dont want bikes, I got reaver jetbikes already and theyre fantastic

>>51842773
One okay unit does not a good codex make

>>51842795
Fuck if I know, mate.

Not been on tv for 10 fucking years.

>>51842825
That's kind of what I did with a Wyvern and Hydra. While it wasn't that hard, it was annoying, so I just settled for Wyvern. Sounds like I will just settle for one or the other. I can't tell which I like more, the Manticore or Deathstrike. I want to use one for the Emp's Wrath formation. While you can potentially do some decent damage with the Manticore, I feel like the AP4 really shuts down it's usefulness in this edition.

>>51842272
That's good to hear, man. Plus, the shit I'm getting is probably way more advanced than whatever he was working with. Since it's a recent injury and the doctors got to me quick, I got one of those direct nerve interface things so my prosthetic will look and function a lot like a human hand. Hopefully I'll still be able to paint and model once I get used to it.

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>>51842821
>Do you want me to post them

>>51842795
>>51842854
Drew Carey's been doing it for the last six or so years

>>51842865
What are you even implying you retarded faggot. I was talking about Maulerfiends not fucking Rhinos.

>>51842465
I have a few squads, barely a CAD, so I didn't click them. Working on building them up as a support group for my Inquisition warband.

>>51842526
I hope you're right.

>>51842847
run them as black guardians instead.

>>51842847
Not sure. Only thing I could think of is using some of those formation benefits that Forgeworld came up with that gave 1 weapon platform per 5 guardians, but that seems kind of meh.

They just feel really lackluster, even compared to non jetbike troops like dire avengers

>>51842875
US version then, since it's literally not been on tv since Joe Pasquale hosted it here round 2007.

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So where can I download Gathering Storm 1 and 2 for free?

>>51842885
maulerfiends are vehicles

>>51842885
What's the toughness on a Maulerfiend again?

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>>51842885

>>51842910
>he doesn't know the basic rules
Top kek my fucking sides. Read up their rules again they're WALKERS you literal retard.

How viable are blood angel assault squads with the lost brotherhood strike force all the aux formations seem good but having the extra strength and initiative plus the 6 inch move seems great

>>51842908
see >>51840449

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http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/02/40k-current-army-meta-lvo-2017.html

Conclusive proof that eldar are no longer op! Also chaos are now middling at worst. Things are changing for the best folks! Believe!

>>51842923
>hurrr hurr AV = vehicle
That's like saying MCs are infanfry because they have wounds. Fucking kill yourself.

>>51842956
This bit has been done a thousand times dude, just let it go.

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>>51842953
>Aeldari queers not even top tier anymore
Ayy lmao

>>51842980
Not an argument faggot.

>got btfo last time
>still shitposts the thread with his false information
Drink bleach.

>>51842936
>>51842956
Give it up already. Bait loses all of it's charm when it becomes so obvious and weak as this

>>51842995
Dude, at least come up with your own material if you have to run a bit.

>>51842997
>m-maybe if I scream b8 it won't be so evident I got btfo!
Not an argument faggot.

So why is guard so popular here?

>>51842980
>>51842997
>>51843011
And yet you still reply.

>>51840570
>orks
>competitive
no, not at all. I play Orks and you must of been running something really awful to be beat by Orks.

>>51843027
I'm not the one staying you should stop shitposting, I'm just saying you should come up with your own material rather than recycling someone else's old bit.

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>>51841191
fuck off intergalactic starship trooper wannabe mosquito.

>>51843033
That wasn't me you actual retard.

>>51843026
I think a lot of people from 4chan can get behind the whole weakling stands up to big bad bully feeling the Guard give off.

>>51843026
You may not believe me but it's because a large amount of the people who post in this thread are women.

It's why you see lots of daemons and Ork players too.

Can ally detachments use their own codex?

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So on the whole who is physically stronger, Orks or Chaos?

>>51843043
Well you still read it, didn't you? Mission accomplished.

>>51843033
That wasn't me you freckin' idiot.

>>51843052
Can't be the same faction as your primary detachment.

>>51843028
I've beaten both tzeentch daemonspam, wolfwolfwolf armies and managed a staleate against a decurion.

>>51843064
Chaos... marines, cultists, damons. spawn?

>>51843076
What's your W/L ratio and spread of opponents.

>>51843051
Are demons and orks common for women to play? Of the 4 women I've known who played 40k, two were nids players, one was a grizzled SoB vet, and the last ran an army of clown sluts (almost literally).


>>51843064
Um. Elaborate. You mean chaos marines? Chaos demons? Chaos the primal force of creation?

>Who on the whole is physically stronger, Orks or [space]?
>Who on the whole is physically stronger, Orks or [time]?
>Who on the whole is physically stronger, Orks or [croutons]?

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Thoughts?

>>51842860

The Manticore is great vs. vehicle lists, it's when you roll a 1 on your D3 blasts, or the initial blast has a bad scatter that annoys me about it.
Of course the scatter can be mitigated by the Emperor's wrath formation or through psykers.

The Deathstrike waits until turn 2, then flattens an infantry unit. The Apoc blast never really misses because of it's sheer size. Like I mentioned before, it does damned well versus bikes.
The turn after it fires, I just flat out towards the enemy with its hull heavy flamer. Unlike the Manticore, the Deathstrike has front AV12 *and* side, making it harder to kill with Autocannons or S6 spam.

Can someone tell me where I can find some really great prices on recast elder? I very much would like to relay this information over to a friend of mine. Thank you in advance

>>51843072
see >>51843065

>>51843028
Kind of? I w2as

>>51840742
I, too, love my Aspect Warriors

Fuck Bike spam and wraith dickery, give me some Banshees and Scorpions, I want to have fun

Fire Dragons as well

>>51843065
How can this be bait. It literally says Maulerfiends are Walkers, you can look it up anywhere. I don't know if yoh really were in that thread 2 months ago but you failed to refute me then and it looks like you're not even trying now.

Believe what you want cunt. But walkers still won't be vehicles untill proven otherwise.

>>51843086
>>51843094

The entirety of the forces of Chaos, Marines, and Daemons in their physical forms, versus all the Orks put together

>>51842050
Would you really turn down a bj from a space elf?

>>51843028
Kind of? I was playing against CSM the game before that, so my list was grav/plas ultramarines drop list; not ideal for taking on a green tide made of nob bikers and boys.

>>51843112
I wasn't there, I'm just saying you should come up with your own materiel.

>>51843112
The different types of vehicle are: Chariot, Fast, Flyer, Heavy, Hover, Open-topped,
Skimmer, Tank, Transport, Walker, Super-heavy vehicle, Super-heavy Walker and Superheavy
Flyer. These types can be combined to define, for example, a Fast Skimmer or an
Open-topped Walker, in which case, the vehicle has all of the rules for all of its types.

>>51843064
Chaos no question.

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>>51842885
>>51842923
>>51842956
>>51842980
>>51842995
>>51842997
>>51843011
>>51843023
shut the hell up about this from now until the end of time

>>51843098

You're a faggot?

>>51843117
Well considering chaos daemons outnumber orks 100 to 1...

>>51843121
Yes. You don't know where that mouth's been.

>>51841354
Friend, gonna tell you right now, the only truly unplayable unit is Dark Eldar Wyches Ynnari are a seperate faction.

Play by the Rule of Cool: Pick the coolest thing and run with it.

>>51843133

i still say it could be and should be infantry because it has legs and infantry has legs therefore = infantry

>>51843101
Interesting. I will keep that in mind. Also, you said you can give orders to the CCS that apply to the Skyfire gun. Is it because it counts as a weapon of the user?

>>51843128
Nice try, but it only says 'vehicle' for semantic's sake. That's why there are different categories for 'vehicles' special types have their own rules.

>>51843155
Anything with legs is infantry?

A carnifex?
Titans?
Statues?
Tables?

>>51843155
A) not even close to the actual definition of infantry
B) But it's not.
Saying a walker isn't a veichle is like saying Infantry (character) isn't infantry.

It is a vehicle, so never ever shitpost about this again.

>>51842614
Probably little. They might gawk at the old daemons simply because the new ones look clunky and awkward. Chances are if anyone gets worked up about it, they're probably people you shouldn't be chilling with anyways

>>51843112
You see
>>51843133

It's a vehicle.
Says it right there in their unit type. Now shut the hell up, this is the worst type of shitposting

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>>51843152

>tfw you just want to play a Wych Cult

>>51843180

very big infantry

>>51843133
>Unite type: Vehicle (Walker)
>(Walker)
>literally specifies it on the right
You're either retarded or just dishonest.

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>>51843181
>>51843192
>>51843180
>>51843133

>>51843205
>Infantry (character)
>anon thinks this isn't infantry

Are there any infantry units that can have models embarked inside them?

>>51843221
It's a character, not infantry. Which is why they have different rules.

>>51843169
Cool, so now I don't have to worry about the vehicle damage table for my tanks.

>>51843245
Except tanks have AV so they roll on the damage table. But keep up the mental gymnastics you fucking faggot.

>>51843112
Wait, there was a thread about walkers not being vehicles 2 months back? That's so fucking weak...

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>>51843195
>That feel

>>51843181

if that was the case necrons are all vehicle (walker)s and they are not

>>51843092
With orks ~40/60 W/L.

The Ultramarine podspammer avoids me since he hates that I never bring the same list twice.

Our wraithdar/chaos player quit

The GK/BA/White scars player too

And then there's the aforementioned.

I do get my shit stomped every time by the local admech player, Pelastii spam just ruins me.

>>51843234
Yes, but there are Character (Monstrous Creatures) too. If the second part doesn't apply, does that mean Old One Eye doesn't get Smash or Move Through Cover?

>>51843258
Nope only vehicles can take damage. And tanks aren't vehicles.

>>51843258
Maulerfiends have AV too.

>>51843279
Needs a better spread of data to say that orkz are a competitive choice.

>>51843234
So Rhinos and Land Raiders would also get the move bonus then, because they're Transports and Tank/Transports respectively and therefore not Vehicles, in your own logic?

>>51843281
Except Monstrous Creature is literally in the parenthesis. You'd have to be retarded not to realize it.

>>51843292
>has tranks
>transports people
>not a vehicle
Take your meds

>>51843301
>Maulerfiends have AV too.
And? Monstrous Creatures and Infantry also share the Wound stat.

>>51843320
That's not what I was saying you brickbrain. All tanks are vehicles, and in this case so are transports. It's fucking obvious.

>>51843324
So what's the difference between
>Character (Infantry)
and
>Character (Monstrous Creature)
from a classification standpoint? Why is the former considered a character and not infantry, but the latter is considered a character AND a monstrous creature?

>>51843324
>Except Monstrous Creature is literally in the parenthesis.
It's actually the other way around as in "Monstrous Creature (Character)"

>>51843344
Then why is it obvious that Walkers aren't vehicles, despite 'Vehicle' being clearly planted next to the Walker category? You're yet to find any RAW to back up the claim that walkers wouldn't be effected the same.

>>51843228

Closest thing that comes to mind is the squiggoth.

>ITT people twist logic around to try to argue about clear RAI issues
Could we have that titanfag from the last thread back? At least his argumentative shitposting was based in reality.

>>51843156

That's correct.

>>51843371
>RAI issues

There's no RAI issues, it clearly specifies non-vehicles for the movement bonus AND specifies walkers for the charge bonus, it's not like they remembered how to be 'reasonable' halfway through a paragraph and then couldn't be assed to change the previous sentence.

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Do we have rules for the new Eldar formations yet? I want to know if it would be worth running the new Wraithguard formation over my current Pale Court list.

>>51843355
One is a character with monstrous creature rules. The other a character with infantry character rules.

>>51843356
Make up your damn mind.

>>51843362
>Vehicle: any means in or by which someone travels or something is carried or conveyed; a means of conveyance or transport.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/vehicle

It's a fucking Deamon in a metal suit. Not a vehicle.

>>51843396
skyfire tho

>>51843407
Monstrous creature character rules*

>>51843407
Why does one get to be a character with MC rules if the other is a character with "infantry character" rules. Doesn't seem like a consistent application of rules.

>It's a fucking Deamon in a metal suit. Not a vehicle.
That's not how the lore tho.

>>51843407
>It's a fucking Deamon in a metal suit. Not a vehicle.

It's also a container for a Daemon rather than the Daemon itself, and is capable of moving under its own power through the obvious pistons and mechanisms. It's often described as Daemons contained in a metal shell, too, so it's not entirely inaccurate.

Still aren't seeing any RAW backups for your stance, buddy. Riptide proves that GW doesn't give too much of a shit about real life definitions for vehicle anyway.

>>51843407
>Deamon in a metal suit
So the daemon is being carried or conveyed about in it.

>>51843429
>>51843407
Show me in the Warhammer 40k rulebook the section that talks about "Monstrous Creature Characters" and "Infantry Characters". Not the section about characters, and how the status of character interacts with a model's status as a Monstrous Creature or Infantry, but the specific part where it talks about MC characters and Infantry characters as their own unit classification.