Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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>>51829645
Claimed for the XVII

>>51829677
>being a puppet to your own chaplain

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For the Reborn!

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4th for the 1st

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What do y'all think?

What is the most This Guy faction?

>>51829769
Should get more artillery, Emperor's Wrath is the best anything these days.

>>51829777
Imperial Guard or Orkz

I'm not sure what's better. Use a Tech-Priest Dominus with 2 Kataphron Destroyer Units in a CAD or War Congregation OR use a Holy Requisitioner.
Other half is gonna be a Dominus Maniple with a 5-man squad.

Going to be a 850 point tournament.

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I actually don't see anything wrong with giving a DP the Axe of Blind Fury. Most things that have a chance at hurting it are WS5+ anyways, which means that they'll hit WS8 or 9 on a 4+ anyways, and anything WS4 or less was already going to die. Being S9 on the charge means that it can also wreck the day of any vehicle in the game due to the massive amounts of attacks it can generate as well. The only real downside is what happens if you roll a 1 on Daemon Weapon, but other than that, if you're already taking an extremely killy HQ, why not take guarantee it slaughters everything?

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>>51829426
oddly enough in whfb 8th fiends or seekers had poison attacks, it's different in whfb since poison is an automatic wound on 6s to hit. slaanesh plague drones (how about renaming them love bugs instead?) now move 12", assault move 2d6 and run 6+ rerollable d6.

if i was going to redo the weapons plague sword becomes rending, death's head becomes lash of despair, rot proboscis is rending on 5s, venom sting gives hit/run maybe

no idea about screamers

>>51829777
I am unaware of this meme

educate me as to what 'This Guy' is

>>51829849
the opposite of "That Guy"

>>51829849
The Nice guy, fun to play with. Overall enjoyable while not a push over. Antithesis to That Guy.

>>51829835
The Mace can instant death things with Eternal warrior for just a few more points. A Daemon Prince is quite a points investment in the first place.

Also, why are you not taking a traitor legion's daemon prince anyway?

>>51829777
as in someone fun to play who uses a fluffy or entertaining game? daemons. my daemon vs daemon game was really memorable over some tau games. we both played rather casual

>>51829862
>>51829868
Ah I see

Having played a few hundred games in the last couple of years, my best experiences come from Imperial Guard, Vanilla Muhrines, and Nids

I would say Orkz, but I play Orkz and I'm the only guy in the entirety of Mid-Missouri that does apparently.

>>51829777
Orks, fluffy Black Templars and from my experiencr BAngles.

Honestly, just mostly the armies that have been seriously fucked hard by GW to the point of their players just admitting defeat and rolling with it.

>>51829908
>Tzeentch Daemons are on the same tier as Gladius Marines.

>>51829846
Love bugs is a pretty good name. I think they get Rending by default, so trading that off for poison should be fine. It is also exchanging slow and purposeful for the opposite, so that's another upside. I think the Lash might be too many shots compared to the heads, but I could adjust that.

I like the ideas though. I'm less worried about the Screamers, as I don't think they gain or lose much.

>>51829814
I'd say a battle congregation, it let's you use destroyers, use canticles twice and re-roll your warlord trait

>>51829874
>The Mace can instant death things with Eternal warrior for just a few more points. A Daemon Prince is quite a points investment in the first place.
True enough, but honestly, I just really love the idea, mostly. A single, massive, unit able to slay anything in the game? That's cool. And pretty balanced, with it's point cost and inability to use psyker cheese or shooting phase stuff.

>Also, why are you not taking a traitor legion's daemon prince anyway?
?

>>51829835

I like giving my NL Nurgle Prince either shred or +d6 attacks, personally.

>>51829982
Alright, was my gut feeling as well.
Just not sure if a Canticle reuse is better or worse than having ObSec on those Destroyers, since I only have 4 Cult units.

>>51829983
Traitor legions gives everything with Veterans of the Long War stuff. Aside from all the free stuff you get, you also get legion specific relics.

I'm not sure if anything legions get are as good as the mace, but I quite like my Bolt Plate Tzeentch daemon prince.

>>51830032
Oh! I play Word Bearers, so nothing in my army gets anything that effects them other than free VotLW, and DPs have that stock.

Also the WB relics are meh/10.

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rate my list

>>51829934
like i said, we were both casual. he was nurgle heavy and i was mostly slaanesh. i might hit like a trunk in melee but i'm usually pulling off oodles of daemons each turn due to enemy shooting

>>51829980
squad of 3 love bugs with lashes puts out 6 to 36 shots. yeah that's a bit much but i don't put a lot of faith in bs3 s3 attacks doing much. also slaanesh units have better ws and bs, but i would keep them as ws/bs 3

maybe give screamers ws4 as losing rerollable 1s is big

>>51829925
>>51829805
What makes IG so cool?

Why do people take Fateweaver CAD with a shitty Heralds Anarchic formation instead of getting alot more WC for summoning a BT or soulgrinder with a stacked Heralds Anarchic formation?
Without Kairos and compulsories you have the points for a good allied formation like a palanquin sorc with a relic rhino for seizing the initiative and a fire raptor so you can do something with your flyer aside from hide it in a corner. LVO winners take Kairos so there must be a reason

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Anon from yesterday who had a game with a girl today.

Update: She never showed up.

>>51830107
>summoning a BT or soulgrinder

Cause those are worse than the stuff Tzeentch CAD summons?

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>>51830123
you already posted this

>>51830105
Nothing that made IG cool are in the book anymore. Don't bother.

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Want to start space marines but have no idea what I'm doing. Is this an okay direction?

Is the Rolling Fortress in 1d4chan good or does it just get OTKed?

>>51830126
That's what everyone summons via demonology..

>>51830107
>Bloodthirster
Not fluffy for Tzeentch?

>Soulgrinder
I mean, fluff-wise Soulgrinders are hated by everyone except mortals, but Daemons don't care about mortals.

But I dunno.

>>51830123
if it makes you feel better my date last friday ghosted me as well

>>51830123
Thanks for informing about it. What a rude woman.

Just make sure not to act like a salty faggot next time you see her and immediately bring it up.

>>51830154
>ghosted
Why do people do this?

>>51830071
You had better be taking that to a tournament because that's some serious WAACfaggotry. I hope an Ork player crushes you with his Nobz In Nauts.

>>51830137
Land Raiders and Terminators are fun but neither are good enough for competitive play.

Also, no reason for that Drop Pod on the Termies. They can deep strike anyway.

>>51830127
>Purity Seal twintails
I approve.

>>51830175
oh, that was a mistake, that drop pod is for the other tacticals and the raider is for the termies

>>51830175
>no reason for that Drop Pod on the Termies. They can deep strike anyway.
mishaps

>>51830137
Termies are expensive for what they do. Typically they just eat up points and don't do much cause their Land Raider dies.

Don't do 10 men tac squads. You end up with 5 dudes standing around so the missile launcher can fire. Just go 5 man tacs with a special and maybe a combi weapon that matches and have them drop on a target or objective.

Then if you want to go infantry-heavy take Command Squads for lots of special weapons and Devastators for heavies.

Bikes are really good, especially with grav, but personally I find them kinda gay.

If you want some melee take a Shadowstrike Kill team (scouts and vanguard vets) or a Skyhammer (2 assault squads, 2 dev squads, 2 drop pods and ass squads take jump packs). Both formations let you charge immediately, though Skyhammer is way more powerful (and way too cheesy for many metas).

>>51830168
Because you were the worse option

>>51830188
I see, makes sense.

But yeah, in general it should work out as a casual starting army. Just don't expect to win any tournaments with it.

Anyone got a link for gathering storm 2?

>>51830168
well, you don't owe people anything you don't want to. it's easier to just avoid people and issues. the idea is the other person will get the hint and you found a better way to spend time

it's a shitty thing everyone does, and while it's not honorable ya gotta grow a thicker skin.

>>51830228
Not really expecting to. My first army (and only right now) is orks.

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How's my list?

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>>51830211
Not this guy you were quoting.

I am planning on doing salamanders.

Would you do all 5 man squads with either flamers or meltaguns with combimelt/flame for a sarge in each?

Should I save my multimeltas for devistator squads?

>>51830105
Well, the army itself isn't very strong and there aren't many annoying units in it, so it's not an obnoxious army to play against in any manner. They are weak enough that you can just barely win with a fun list.

And the players tend to be a bit relaxed. The worst you get from an IG player is some autist that won't shut up about WW1 or WW2 or tanks.

>>51830231
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Fracture-of-Biel-Tan-HB-ENG

>>51830263
A Salamander Skyhammer with flamer assault squads + MM dev squads would be powerful, fun, and probably not tooooooo cheesy unless you're fighting Orks (in which case just take it as a CAD).

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I actually prefer this things to stormravens, might pick one up and shave off as much of the wolf iconography as I can for my OC donut steel army thats in dire need of air support

how good are both variations gameplay wise?

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>>51830269
>Wyverns

Thread Question:What are the player stereotypes in 8th Edition.

>>51830291
Well, I did say there aren't many. Wyverns and Vendettas are probably the most obnoxious. The rest isn't so bad.

>Betrayal at Calth helmets look better than the numerous resin Mk IV heads already on my models

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

Maybe I can safely remove the heads and update them, but I doubt it. I've damaged shoulders and backpacks attempting this.

>>51830269
IG players are the worst when it comes to recommendations for new players' factions though, as they shill the hardest for IG in every way and its actually really fucking annoying.

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>playing 1000 point game against gsc
>my army consists of 4 units
>2 of those units are characters
>turn 1
>lost a 10 man csm squad
>his patriarch returns to the shadow
>his turn again he rolls a 6
>puts his guy hq squad infront of my termie squad that consisted of Abaddon and a sorcerer
>he charges and declares a challenge
>I accept with Abaddon
>he does two wounds to Abaddon
>roll a 5 for Drach'nyen
>Abaddon wipes out the patriarch and his entire squad
>Abaddon then continues to wipe out every squad on the battlefield
>his face when

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>>51830323
>Astartes
Same as they have been the past three editions
>Aeldari
Sadfags who are angry on the inside that they got utterly fucked by the edition changes and then doubly shat on by their codex nerf, they quietly bring Wraithknights to games ever since scatbikes were made illegal again. Triggered by the sight of an Imperial Knight
>Orruks
Insufferable WAACunts
>Chaos Astartes
STILL bitching about how they don't get drop pods
>Daemons
If he plays Khorne he's either chill or a bandwagoner. Nurgle is bro-tier and Tzeentch players are rare.
>Tau
Who?

>>51830323
Orkz finally get a massive buff to the point where they dumpster Eldar players and suddenly all the bro tier Ork players become the biggest dickbags around and we all complain about them.

Sisters get buffed to be Celestine tier and everyone complains they are more durable than Necrons. They get plastics and all the hidden beta faggots come out to play them. Suddenly there are lot more tranny Sisters players.

Guard grows mildly strong going from low mid to low high and suddenly the humanity fuck yeah and hold the line dumpsters grow louder and louder. Then one Guard player wins one tournament and all the Guard players brag about that one list for about 17 months and use it as ammunition for why Guard are actually a secret top tier army.

Space Marine players of any variety are still idiots and we don't like them just like every edition.

>>51830343
>Resin

Theyre held on with superglue. Put the models in the fridge, then take a pair of ships, grip the model by the head and snap it off. Youll trash the resin helmet but itll come off clean

>>51830280
I am really only planning on running one assault squad.

What should I do with my 15 unbuilt tactical marines?

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Who needs ork bits

ive got about 3 pounds

>>51830082
Yeah. Lashes are usually for characters in order to be shooting for the whole squad. Having more than one is a bit much.

This has given me a lot to think on though. I think I'll take another look at it in the morning.

Do bangel terminators have combat squads?

>>51830404

Don't want to freeze dry the rest of the model's joins.

>>51830032
>but I quite like my Bolt Plate Tzeentch daemon prince.

My winged Emperors Children DP with Shriekwave is the epitome of MAXIMUM FUCK to anything not AV14 and within 12" of it For one turn at least

Also, the relic that grants D3 Combat Drug rolls is also fun. A ML3 T7 S7 W5 Daemon Prince that flies, has Fleet, and Rending, and draws all of its powers from Discipline of Slaanesh is far from something you want to be near to.

>>51830447
Yes.

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>>51830325
Some of their FW shit is pretty obnoxious. The Malcador Infernus is just fucking retarded and absolutely unfun to play against, for example.
>mfw accidentally countered the Infernus player by bringing a Stormraven full of Termies and my trusty Ironclad

While I'm at it, the Stormsword is pretty faggotrocious on paper, but I've never seen anyone actually use one since everyone builds Baneblades and Shadowswords.

Speaking of FW, R&H players have become a new breed of cunt recently. I blame the LVO action, but their lists weren't exactly fun to play against beforehand since it's basically
>and now I'm going to fire my 20th quad mortar
>by the way can I borrow all your templates? I need to mark all this difficult terrain

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>>51830418
wouldnt happen to have a spare claw from the new meganobz kit for making a big mek

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>>51830418
So, the meme about ork players who gave up on life is true after all. Really gets that grey matter going.

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>>51830399
What about Space Druchii?
Or are we just in the "Doesn't exist" category?

>>51830418
How much for all of it, finishing up my nids and I need more pain

>>51830559
>implying they're not superfriends with aeldari
>adarki aeldari

>>51830211
I'm with you on the bikes thing; I've avoided getting them with my Orks.

I will definately keep in mind the whole "4 random marines doing nothing with a heavy weapon guy" thing.

I guess this is a hold over from my Ork experience, but I like the idea of a HQ with his squad as a melee beat stick. Unfortunately I have no idea how to set up the wargear for the command squad but am definately up for replacing the assault termies with them.

Will also look into the shadowstrike kill team, assaulting out of deep strike looks really cool. I'm looking at vanguard vets and they've got so damn many melee options. Also don't mind scouts, just bothered by their helmet-less heads. Snipers aren't that good on scouts right?

>>51830418

i'd like some ork bitz, p-pretty please...

I'm the newbie from two 40k generals back earlier today who posted his horribly inefficient list. I've been revising it, but I'm committed to keeping the orky spirit alive and have lots of boyz, stormboyz, and conversions all around. I promise your bitz wont go to waste!!

>>51830071
>not making your entire army spore mines

>>51830534
yea actually

>>51830559
Drukhari are part of the Aeldari faction. By popular demand, though:

>Astra Militarum
Faggots who insist their army isn't cheese just because it's not top-tier. Think Necron players or delusional Taufags in this edition.

>Adepta Sororitas
Special snowflakes who insist upon the Imperial Inquisition dataslate being a fully functional codex.

>Tyranids
They used to be as pessimistic as ever, until the latest Cruddex hit. Now they are extinct.

>Anecronsi insert witty trademarkable faction name my mind is drawing a blank
Took a hit with the removal of Decurion so you don't see them around much anymore. Those who do still play are the dark horses of their group.

R8 my list out of 28

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Codex: Deathwatch
Unbound 1850

+Elites+

28x Deathwatch Terminator [1,820]
[1x terminator [power fist, storm bolter, cyclone missile launcher]]

1x Deathwatch Bike [30]
[1x biker [chainsword, bolt pistol]]

>>51830642
Would bring a Riptide against/10

>>51830527
Well yeah FW is never fun to play against. I'm just talking about normal IG. Not the OP garbage people army that is R&H.

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How do you do anti-infantry in a Chaos Space Marines army?

I'm looking to get into 40k and I have been using the mathhammer website to determine how much different weapon loadouts kill stuff, and it seems like bolters don't really have great numbers when you factor in cover and such. Since I haven't played a game it's hard for me to visualize exactly what "good anti-infantry" looks like, and I don't want to drop money on models just to be disappointed since I know the codex is already considered underpowered (I will probably get the Traitor Legions book though.)

A lot of people at my store seem to play lots of blob armies so I'm probably gonna need to be able to take out buckets of weenies. So far it looks like:

>bikers with flamers, since they also have twin-linked bolters and relentless
>noise marines with sonic blasters

Anything else? I was also wondering if it would work to have an army with lots of rhinos and take a havoc launcher on each one.

>>51830632
>Anecronsi
Don't even fucking joke.

>>51830659
>FW is never fun to play against
But that's wrong.

>I'm just talking about normal IG. Not the OP garbage people army that is R&H
There's a lot of overspill. A lot.

>>51830681
You're an idiot and you don't matter. Opinion invalidated.

>>51830691
You tell him, fuck OP forgeworld fuckery. Some guy brought in a rapier and I just packed up my wraithknights and warp spiders and left.

>>51830691
>it's the fag who gets triggered by people not irrationally hating FW anymore
Since you're STILL living in 2003, do me a favor and tell past me not to hit on the blonde girl. He'll know the one.

>>51830632
>IG players
>ever obnoxious
I dont think its possible, the IG has been a good army for exactly one edition, and it required you to be mech most of the time

>>51830632
>removal of Decurion
I haven't really paid attention to sleepy skeletons in a while, but what?

>>51830717
I know what you mean.
Some guy brought a Death Korps of Krieg Siege Army to the table. I refused even humor the idea of playing my Skyhammer Annihilation Force or my Gladius against that bullshit.

>>51830731
Edition changes can change a person, Anon. Taufags used to be bros.

>>51830659
forgeworld raped my warboss, killed my orks, and stole my heart!

>>51830619
Command Squads are either shooty (5x special weapon).

A retinue might look like this:

1x Apothecary
1x Champion w/ weapon of choice
2 or 3x flamer or melta depending on what you want to fight
1x melta bomb if you want to hunt vehicles/MCs

Power weapons on Command Squads are debatable. Basically the question is, are you gonna get more out of 3x power weapon attacks (4 on the charge) vs. a meltagun or a flamer for the points difference?

The cool thing about Vvets is that they get weapons cheaper. 5ppm for a power weapon means you can fit the whole squad with one and its great.

Snipers are mediocre. Rending is nice from time to time.

What chapter are you playing?

>>51830418
>that green tub

My fetish is translucent, colored plastic.

Why in the sweet fuck are wind riders troops?

Every other bike unit in the entire game is a FA slot.

At least do it like Horus Heresy, where its 1 heavy weapon per 3 bikes, but have a HS version where they can all take special weapons

>>51830746
I know but i dont remember IG being fags in 5th, even though thats when we were at our best. I just want my army to be good again, they took away so many of our characters and special rules, we are like 3rd fom the bottom i think

>>51830737
Tis a joke anon.

>>51830671
>Bikers with flamers
Remember that only Monstrous Creatures, and Vehicles can fire multiple weapons in one turn.

No troop weapon has great numbers when you factor in cover and such, mate. Except blob guard, but that's more because of volume of fire and orders.

But anyways, you should write up a list and post it here for review.

>>51830678
Why wouldnt they just go with Necrontyr? Also how are Necrons not trademarkable?

>>51830758
It's a legacy holdover from 4th edition. The 3rd edition Craftworlds supplement let you play Saim-Hann, letting you take jetbikes as troops. When 4th rolled around the FOC change was kept to accommodate players of the now-defunct supplement, and the rest is history. The heavy weapon change is an utterly mystifying new addition in 7th, though.

The same thing happened with Alaitoc Rangers, I think, but they didn't keep their bullshit disruption table so nobody gave a shit.

>>51830765
>we are like 3rd from the bottom

CSM have Traitor Legions now so guess again.

>>51830758
>>51830798

Why do they have 3+

>>51830814
I thought it was from worst to "best"
Orkz-nids-IG-dark eldar
With traitor legions CSM are gr8 now

Guys I think pinterest is on to us.
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>>51830071
Rate mine

>>51830782
>Necrontyr
Fuck, I knew I was forgetting an obvious pick.

I half remember Necron being trademarked by someone else, but after some light research it looks like GW holds the trademark as far as tabletop wargaming goes. That said, they also held the trademark on Eldar for such purposes, and look what happened.

>>51830752
"braces for booing from crowd"
Ultramarines
Gonna be completely honest, I've been wanting to have a space marine army for a while but Guilliman is what pushed me over the edge.

>>51830765
>they took away so many of our characters and special rules, we are like 3rd fom the bottom i think

Boy you need to get you some Traitor Legions Supplement.

>>51829835
The problem is not taking the axe

The problem is the demon prince, the thing is far too costly

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>>51830834
fug this Nigerian internet

>>51830399
R&H have to jury rig their codex to account for all the rule changes also pretend formations are still a thing

>>51830841
>"braces for booing from crowd"
This isn't 1d4chan, Alfabusa's channel, or 2012. Nobody hates Ultramarines. Some of them pull Sueish bullshit, but it's really not that far worse than what the Tau do on a regular basis.

>>51830814

What's funny is that there's no actual proof that TL did anything to actually help them because their core book is still aids

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>>51830841
Go for it, Ultramarines best marines!

>>51830862
Actually I hate ultramarines, they without fail Mary sue nids to death every time and I can't handle that

>>51830841
REEEEEEEE

Ok. Battle Company is cookie-cutter as far as builds go but its fluffy for Ultras and if your meta can't handle Razorbacks you can just take Rhinos or Drop Pods. So that's something to build towards.

You can also just do one Demi-Company and slap in whatever else looks fun.

You will get less REEEE if you do a successor chapter, BTW. Marines Errant are dope and their Captain character is one of the only truly shooty Marine HQs.

In fact, your "Ultramarines" can be a whole group of different successor chapters since you all use the same chapter tactics. Might be cool.

>>51830830
same reason why their ninjas wear heavy 3+ and stomp around with silent chainswords

>>51830872
>Nids
Literally the only race more NPC than Orkz.

>>51830879
Ultramarines have Telion, the shootiest of Marine HQs.

>>51830872
It would be harder to find a faction that doesn't inexplicably beat Tyranids against all odds.

>>51830842
How though? Only plastics available are cadians and catachans, rest are metal squads and HWT which are not cheap to get in bulk. If they made steel legion in plastic i would buy like a dozen kits

>>51830863
>he doesn't know about LVO
>he doesn't know about Death Guard

Stealth past 18". FNP on everything. RELENTLESS ON EVERYTHING. T6 BIKES. T5 20 MAN BLOBS.

>>51830892
Whatever chapter those space marines are in anphelion project got fucking annihilated which gave me big cums.

>>51830899
The only really bad rules are Word Bearers and Thousand Sons

>>51830814
So what's worse than chaos marines?

Remember dark eldar are aeldari now?

>>51830891
Oh yeah, Telion too. He's shooty, in a different way.

Captain Narvaez gets a Master-Crafted Plasma Gun, though.

>>51830906
>Forge World
REEEEEE GET THIS FUCKING OVERPOWERED TYRANID BULLSHIT AWAY FROM MY BALANCED GLADIUS SKYHAMMER ARMY

>>51830671
In no particular order:

Heldrake
DG Havoc Autocannons
Flamer Bikers
Rapiers
Sicaran
Fire Raptor

Bonus
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Bring Renegades

>>51830914
Night lords are objectively bad

>>51830920
>someone got actually butt bothered when I brought twin linked devs
>on a walkrant
>because FW

>>51830926
If they got more ways of fucking with Ld they'd be gold. Also Stormbolt Plate Tzneetch Princes.

>>51830879
>Battle Company something to build towards
Will definitely keep this in mind as I fiddle around with various lists. I've got a bit before Guilliman is available for pre-order so there's that (intending to use one of those sights that gives discounts).

>In fact, your "Ultramarines" can be a whole group of different successor chapters since you all use the same chapter tactics. Might be cool.

That sounds like a really cool idea actually. Guilliman reforming the legion and a bunch of different Ultramarine offshoot chapters rallying to his banner. I will definitely consider that.

>>51830926
I dunno

Looking at a night lord bike horde... Seems ok with stealth and Reroll charge

The added night fight with +cover also good

>>51830914
>tfw Khornate Word Bearers are absolute garbage
I feel sorry for TSons and Khornate WB/WB who hate summoning.

>>51830917
True, but Telion has a cool bolter that's a 2 shot sniper that always counts as being a precision shot. Plus he can make a single model BS6 if he forgoes shooting, as well as having a sweet model. Only downside is he isn't plastic, but other than that, he's my favorite SM HQ.

>>51830926
You and every other person who has Fear just wish that Fearless or variations of it weren't so prolific.

>>51830920
Everything we got in that book was so horribly overcosted I wanted to die. At least we got a fluff victory r-right?

>>51830926
Come play 30k where Fear, Pinning, and other psychology actually matter and Astartes can be swept.

>>51830944
Khornate WB are just vanilla CSM but slightly better and cheaper.

1kSons are absolute garbage unless you play the army with as few Sons as possible, which is to say Rehati War Sect with Magnus and DP buddies. Otherwise, the codex/legion is literally Ork tier bad.

>>51830938
>Guilliman forces the legions to split up only to come back 10,000 years later, reform his legion, and easily swat aside the shattered remnants of humanity's bulwark and take over the Imperium.

And you all thought he wasn't a strategic genius. Bitch was playing a longer game than Tzeentch all along.

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>>51830671
Havoc launcher is a bit underwhelming, but worth the points imo. A Sicaran with heavy bolter sponsons, malefic ammo and warpflame gargoyles will ruin any horde's day; 9 rending heavy bolter shots with soul blaze, plus 6 autocannon shots with rending and soul blaze. Pic related

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>>51830137

You're welcome

>>51830778
>Remember that only Monstrous Creatures, and Vehicles can fire multiple weapons in one turn.

wat

>>51830960
>be nids
>entire army can have fear
>honestly don't even bother to remember fear even exists because
>fearless blobs
>atsknf is a thing
>whatever tau have
Someone reminded me my MCs caused fear to their own detriment and I was genuinely shocked.

>>51830964
The Dimachaeron is nice.

>>51830972
But Anon I can already sweep Astartes if they're heretics

>>51830981
Doesn't malefic ammunition make the bolters AP3? If so, why do they need Rending?

>>51830778
>>51830991
oh you meant the same model, derp

I thought you were implying a squad could only fire one type of weapon. But my point about bikers was that their flamers + the other models' tl bolters seem like good anti-infantry

>>51830991
Did you not know this? Unless you misinterpreted what I meant, and thought if one guy fired his bolter then the other guy couldn't use his flamer, in which case that's my fault for poor wording.

>>51830993
>whatever tau have
It's called overwatch.

>>51830914
Let's not forget the fact that the Alpha Legion's decurion bonus just gives you shrouded first turn and 3+ regenerating cult instead of 4+. (And only with tLatD formation)

>>51831005
I Fucking LOVE the dimachaeron, both in design and in rules.

>>51830982
If you're going to be a cunt, why half-ass it? That list is far from optimal for several reasons.

>>51831005
Rending's good for AP2 and trying to harm bigger fish.

>>51831017
At least you don't have Posessed as Troops.

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>>51831025

>Runing a CAD and a Knight makes you a cunt now

wew lad

>>51830933

I always wondered how TL Devourers were like #2 on the best seller list for multiple months in a row a few years back. Like everyone was buying Mk IV kits, Contemptors, and Devourers or something.

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>>51831045
>taking at Knight at 1k non-ironically is fine

>>51831045
>running a superheavy at 1000 pts
Yes, that's called being a cunt

>>51831026
Yeah true, chosen are manageable, especially with infiltrate. I even bought wrath of magnus hoping it'd fix Tsons, and got a rubric squad too. It's basically just magnus flying circus the book (or maybe spam tzaangors with a bunch of biomancy/divination exalted/ahriman)

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>>51831058

>imposing arbitrary rules on others

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>>51831063

well have fun with all the 'cunts' running rowboats in a few weeks

>>51831056
TL Devourers on Flyrants is their #1 build.

>>51830623
It's one of the great shames of 7E that having an army entirely of spore mines is totally legal because GW were too retarded to come up with reasonable restrictions on army compositions.

>>51830836
nightmarish movement phase/10

>>51831056
TL devs Flyrant spam won some guy LVO so that made a bunch of netlist cunts pop up out of the woodwork

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>>51831063
>>51831058
>>51831025

>ass hurt marine players telling people what they can play with

I'm gonna field 2 riptide wings in your 1000point games

>>51831092
It's the only Tyranid build...

Expect massive nerfs to it next edition.

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>>51831078
>I'm going to be a cunt because there isn't a rule against it
Whatever you say lad

>>51831130
I play Eldar fuckface, come at me. List unrelated (it was for that other faggot) but relevant

>>51831118
This is my actual army
My strategy is to just make my opponent forfeit over my 15 minute movement
I actually bring a friend usually and they help move bodies, opponents are normally pretty chill with it the apocalypse variation is much worse, since without number is the best rule we've ever gotten, snapshots on gant blobs turn 3+ basically

>>51830964
>every tyranid unit is so horribly overcosted I want to die
ftfy

except maybe gaunts, but their upgrades are overcosted to compensate

>>51830418
I find myself in a need of bits almost constantly.

I'm a new Ork player that's also new to 40k. My bits bin is non-existent.

>>51830937
>If they got more ways of fucking with Ld they'd be gold
Even Ld1 means nothing with Fearless/ATSKNF. Literally the only army Fear matters against is Eldar, and getting into CC with them is impossible.

>Also Stormbolt Plate Tzneetch Princes.
The 2+ armor save actually makes them weak to Grav with the ignores cover psy power. Nurgle is better and doesn't need a plate. Both still die to market light plasma

>>51830943
>Looking at a night lord bike horde...

You need a Warband in order to get bikes with NF and reroll charges, which hardly makes for a horde. You'll want to be jinking to use the stealth and that means you're not shooting, and getting into combat won't do you any good.

>>51830960
>You and every other person who has Fear just wish that Fearless or variations of it weren't so prolific.

Why bother with fear when 95% of armies ignore it in the first place?

>>51830972

That would be nice, but that requires people who want to play 30k in my area, which there are none besides myself.

>>51831195
When the book first came out it just stung, looking back it was really just business as usual

>>51831089
This shit again.

I have yet to see a single magnus on the table and yet I remember you all bitching about him too. Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

>>51831130
>everyone I don't like is a marine player

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>>51831063
If I run this one though am I a gentleman and a scholar?

>>51831155
>craftworlders took our 10 pt hqs
Fuck you and the jetbike you rode in on.

>>51831216
>Even Ld1 means nothing with Fearless/ATSKNF
Psychic Shriek.
>weak to Grav with the ignores cover psy power
But the Prince can fly, forcing a gravstar to snapshoot at him. Combine this with Ld fuckery and you can REEEE a good number of them off the board before they wear him down.

>Both still die to market light plasma
Again, wings. Skyfire Markerlights are unheard of because nearly nobody takes Skyrays, so you're looking at shittons of S7 AP4 Interceptor for Tau AA. 2+ reroll 1s is more than enough to handle that, and in the case of Riptides and their Rending you can Jink.

>>51831247
Nid players don't exist so it's irrelevant.

>>51831269
Nid players are one of the largest dedicated subcommunities in 40k.

>>51831275
Proofs?

>>51831269
>tfw I've put weeks of work just into my hierophant base
>I'm never going to actually use the hierophant in a game though
>I literally only bring it to set aside and fake out my opponents for that sweet psychological warfare

>>51831228
Nobody on /tg/ actually plays 40k. We sit here being armchair generals and bitching about our imagined metagame of stereotypes.

>>51831254
I actually collected all four Eldar factions before Fracture dropped and wouldn't play a list as fucking stupid as that one. In fact I don't even remember the last time I took a Court because I love my Succubus too much. Anon was just being a cunt.

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>>51830137
>>51830175
>>51830211
>>51830228
>>51830752
>>51830879
Same guy, different list.
I really changed things up from the first one I posted. Hopefully this makes sense?

>>51831092

Did Flyrant spammers actually buy the FW bit instead of just gluing their plastic Devourers together though?

>>51831288
This ought to be updated.

>>51831282
There are multiple hugely trafficked forums dedicated specifically to playing Tyranids on the net. The Tyranid Hive comes to mind. Warpshadow used to be huge. I don't really know of any equivalents for other factions.

I don't have a source for it either but I hear that they're one of the highest selling non-Imperial armies pretty often.

Lastly there seems to be something about Tyranids that draws a specific portion of the playerbase who aren't really interested in anything else. There seem to be a lot more Tyranid players who are exclusively Tyranid oriented and would quit 40k if it weren't for them than there are of any other army, although I think each Faction has a few of those diehards, most of the others tend to have more multi-faction players, in my experience.

>>51831228
>>everyone I don't like is a marine player

Basically. Haven't see a shitposting Taufag not claim everyone was a butthurt marinefag.

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>>51831288
>when GK were cheese, Tau were the hipster faction nobody played and Eldar were irrelevant
Disagree that nobody played DE in 5th/early 6th though. Shit was mad powerful.

>>51831303
Lots of times yes, the netlist cunts at my lgs all had the official bits and had the same painter paint them to boot
None of them have those models anymore

>>51831315
>I don't really know of any equivalents for other factions.

Bolter and Chainsword? Which become so huge it now includes all power armor and human armies?

Curious, what was reaction to the Tau when they were first announced?

>>51831315

There's a Dark Eldar forum, too.

Is there a Boromir in 40K?

>all the traitor legions formations make you take expensive HQ taxes

noob question: do these formations fit into some other kind of detachment like a legion CAD or are they separate? seems like shit if you have to spend half your points on HQs just to field them

>>51831329
But that's kind of the point isn't it, there are TONS of power armour and human armies, they make up I think more than half of the total Factions in the game on their own.

Tyranids are one single niche but have an impressive number of hugely dedicated (and sometimes exclusive) players. They seem to just bring something to the game that interests a lot of people in a way which no other army in 40k does.

>>51831331
>REEE COMMUNISTS
>LMAO THEY USE MECHA, MUST BE WEEABOOS XDDDD
Basically that until FUCKING Fish of Fury hit, and from then on Tau have been rightfully reviled.

What is a good point cost to aim for?

>>51831347
Oh, is that the Dark City? I think I've heard of that.

Yeah I can see DEldar being another one of those niche factions with a diehard community. The long wait for their 5th ed Codex probably contributed to that.

>>51831367
Depends on your local meta.

>>51831263
>nobody takes skyrays
tau flyers have markerlights as well

>>51831352

Formations are their own list, which is a retarded problem with 40k at the moment. If you're looking at the TL stuff, you could take say, a Raptor Talon and that would be a legal army.

>>51831247
if you can figure out how to get all that resin to stay suspended with those twiggy legs you'd earn my respect

>>51831368

Yea, Dark City. They're pretty chill there iirc.

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>>51831320
>look at GK now
That's my army...

>>51831374
Literally nobody takes the Tau flyers, ever. The new Barracuda is the sole exception, but the vast majority of Taufags ar too entranced by Ta'unar cheese to give any of their other FW options a second look.

>>51831375
Formations aren't inherently any problem. The only problem right now are Formations that come with no tax and only include OP units you were already spamming anyways, and just stack more bullshit power rules on top of them.

See: Riptide Wing, Aspect Host.

>>51831288

Codex: Space Marines - "BUT I DON'T ACTUALLY USE THOSE BUILDS SO THEREFORE WE AREN'T OP" / quiet Black Templar sobbing

Blood Angels - "Hey guys how do I beat this obnoxious Tau player at my local store? What do you mean I can't?"

Black Templars - "I don't exist anymore."

Space Wolves - "I make illegal bike/wolf Super Friends lists and get DQ'ed from first place because I'm a retarded faggot."

Imperial Guard - "I try to pretend I'm relevant and not just a Bizarro version of Space Marines where the loyalist version is actually worse than the Chaos one."

Chaos Space Marines - "I bitch 24/7 even after GW gives me all the shit I bitch about wanting like Traitor Legion."

Chaos Daemons - "TZEENTCHTZEENTCHTZEENTCHTZEENTCH"

Tyranids - "I purchase and regularly use Dragon Dildos."

Orks - "I'm beginning to give up on Warhammer too."

Tau Empire - "Riptides are basically the Tau's TEQ, everyone is just a butthurt marinefag."

Eldar - "I'm a faggot. You can tell because I haven't shelved this army yet after 3+ years of people screaming at me and refusing to play with me."

Dark Eldar - "I'm a massive pretentious faglord but pretend I'm not on /tg/ by pretending that my fanbase is popular but reserved, when it's actually just shitty and unpopular."

Necrons - "I somehow went under the radar and I'm going to keep it that way, just like Trazyn."

Dark Angels - "I'm literally as OP as vanilla but nobody seems to notice."

Sisters of Battle - "T H I C C" / "Where's my plastics? No, Celestine doesn't count!"

Grey Knights - "We'll be good again one day."

>>51831383
He isn't kidding. Visited Warhammer World last week and even the Heirophant in their display showcase had fallen out of its leg joints.

>>51831348

Horus or Magnus.

>>51831419
>I make illegal bike/wolf Super Friends lists
What?

>my fanbase is popular but reserved
They are, though.

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>>51831320
>that feel when you never got to play as 5th dark eldar fresh from their update, an amazing book, and plenty of fun options

>>51831436

Keep pretending, DEfag.

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>>51831419
>Dark Eldar - "I'm a massive pretentious faglord but pretend I'm not on /tg/ by pretending that my fanbase is popular but reserved, when it's actually just shitty and unpopular."
Sounds about right

>>51831424
I'm aware, my big fuck is suspended in the air by a fraction of a cm and scares the living shit out of me every time it moves

>>51831445
Are you the same autist that sperged out after getting baited by a DE player a day or two ago? Give it a rest my man.

>>51831298
Better. A few notes:

>plasma pistol

Not really worth it. Spend the points on a combi-plas for a sergeant, you'll get more use out of it.

Take artificer/SS on melee Captain too so you can actually fight stuff. Otherwise you may as well take a Librarian.

>Command Squad
Don't give a guy a melta AND a power weapon. That's 25 points on top of an 18-point MEQ. When he dies you'll be sad. Stick with one of the other.

>Rhino

not good for a melee squad to ride in since you can't charge out of it. If you don't want bikes or don't want a Land Raider, a pod might actually work--drop in behind a building, shoot with meltas, charge next turn.

Also, as for the Rhino on the tac squad--it's kind of a weird choice. Most people go all pods or all tanks since you don't have a weird split in your strategic outlook. Basically, trying to hedge your bets just leaves that squad vulnerable.

>Assault Squad
Don't bother with the 2x LC, too expensive for someone with no survivability. If you're gonna take anything take 2x flamer and rush at infantry to tie them up.

>pod on the devs

I'd say just sit them in a ruin in the backfield. You can hit the whole board and won't snapfire.

>Dreads

Boxnaughts are awesome... looking. They aren't that efficient rules-wise. For the points you could have 2x dev squads with 4x lascannons, or have 2 lascannons and some wound soakers.

>>51831424
Yeah, there's a reason my Chinaman of choice supplies brass rods with his Heirophant so that all his customers can easily pin it.

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>>51831450
>yfw someone bumps the table and it starts wobbling all over the place

>>51831469
Darkrider? If so it's a pretty high quality cast desu.

>>51831478
There is truly nothing more terrifying than this

Anyone else prefer the new Primarch 40k style over the HH Primarches?
Guilliman looks like a miniature. The HH Primarchs just look like resin statues.

>>51831457

So if DEfags are as gentlemanly as you claim why are they shitposting on /tg/?

>>51829934
Please, anon.

They are about 4 levels above it.

>>51831489
Why? It's not going to break unless you swing it around like a mad ape.

>>51831457
>says the guy being baited right now

The whole list is made up of insults you moron why are you even responding.

>>51831465
>Boxnaughts are awesome... looking. They aren't that efficient rules-wise
Disagree. Every since the buff, they're actually pretty awesome at melee. That said, optimal usage requires MM/HF in a pod, or going all in and taking an Ironclad, but they can definitely work. That said, never squad them up, because a footslogging melee machine is a sad one, and the guns aren't worth it unless you go full Rifleman.

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>>51830123
Like I said, at best you were a stepping stone for her hobby. It is better this way. Don't mix hobby with confusing girl feelings.
I am sorry that you got excited about nothing though, fampie.

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>>51830154
That sounds 2 spooky 4 me

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>>51831439
Those days were good, if brief. After many years of waiting for an update the Dark Eldar finally got the largest overhaul a faction had ever seen and a damn fun codex to use with the new models. I remember how excited I was about all of it.

Now we have to shack up with Craftworlders and clowns. I dislike where 40K is going. Formations, huge centerpiece models like Magnus and Guilliman, supplements galore, the setting's "story" moving forward, etc.

Maybe the future will be better. Maybe.

>>51831502
It's the principle of the matter

>>51831512
There is one autistic fag who hangs around here and is convinced Dark Eldar are the worst faction in 40k. He was resoundingly BTFO'd recently so sticks to REEEing with one liners. If it's him, that probably isn't bait.

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>Implying Traitor Legions wasn't a complete hackjob that barely stitches together the open wound that is the CSM codex

>>51831518
>tfw always wanted to read Judge Dredd and the Punisher
I don't suppose there's a place where one could read his comics free?

>>51831542
>getting BTFO in a skubfest

How

I was reading the tau codex and i saw that under piranha's it mentioned that
>In extreme circumstances, sudden-strike assassinations
are in its capacities as a unit.

And all it made me think of was a couple of pathfinders doing a drive by shooting with their drones and pulse pistols.

>>51831559
Yes
torrents, I got heaps of the 2000AD comics

>>51831542
>DE
>worse than Orks

Maybe they're a GW playtester :^)

>>51831574
Drive bys
Interest in Japanese culture

Tau are confirmed black.

>>51831572
He claimed the Eldar were the worst faction because they were directly responsible for the Eye of Terror, which was in his words the only warp rift in 40k and the sole reason Chaos has any influence on the material realm. Basically proving he knows nothing about anything. He stopped replying after about 4-5 anons pointed out his retardation and has since been posting shit like what you are seeing above.

>>51831534

>Now we have to shack up with Craftworlders and clowns. I dislike where 40K is going.

I'm actually thinking about selling the DE I bought because of this. Playing pure DE is now just giving yourself a handicap.

>Formations, huge centerpiece models like Magnus and Guilliman, supplements galore, the setting's "story" moving forward, etc.

Say what you will about the "40k is getting sigmared!!" meme, but fuckhuge retarded centerpiece models heralded AoS, and now we're getting them in 40k as well. I legitimately fear the future of 40k because even if it's not getting AoS'd, the game is going down a retarded path.

>>51831581
sorry to use spoiler tags, but the faggots/autists on here get super sad when they find out you are illegally downloading/buying Chinacasts. Was better safe than sorry

>>51831593
Not the dude that you replied to, but I'm another DEfag. That was fucking hilarious yesterday.

>>51831419
But CSM players only complain about wanting Drop Pods, or complain that Traitor Legions wasn't as good as it should've been, regarding WB and TS.

>>51831593

What the fuck does the Eye of Terror even have to do with player memes?

Also, the Eye of Terror would be harmless without the Chaos Gods in them so you could argue all sentient life/humans are the worst faction.

>>51831553

But anon! You guys got, a bandaid! HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT COMPLAINING WHEN YOU GOT A SUPPLEMENT THAT GIVES YOU MINOR UPGRADES??! SOME OF THEM ARE EVEN FREE!

>>51831593
>>51831608

My list had nothing to do with fluff, but thanks for proving the DE player stereotype. Don't worry, every poster on this board is a faggot.

>>51831611

To be fair, at this point there is no legitimate reason why CSM don't have shit like drop pods. I'd be pissy, too.

>>51831611

Bruh >>51831618
>>51831553

Just take Dreadclaws guys :^)

>>51831375
damn, that really puts a shitter on all three of the warpsmith formations

>want to take fluffy dark mech list
>have to take a warpsmith AND another HQ for to fill out the list with a CAD or whatever

welp, there goes that idea because I dont want 2 HQs hogging up points

>>51831553
>Proving you are terrible at 40k if you can't make a decent and fluffy army now

>>51829777
Orks, or really any factions they people play for the fluff and not the cheese. Also those triple 7 trips.

>>51831632
Honestly, I just want to be able to assault out of Rhinos.

Why do you need Drop Pods when you can just assault them on turn one with WE? You can't even assault out of pods.

Come on, it's like you guys don't even collect skulls for the skull throne.

>>51831627
I don't play DE, retard. Doesn't change the fact that you have a massive chip on your shoulder regarding that faction for literally no reason.

>>51829777

As an Ork player, I might be biased, but Orks. 99% of my fellow warbosses frankly have given up on the game. We play to have awesome mini's and have fun.

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>>51831611
We have drop pods :'). In all honesty if they just gave out "drop pods" inertial guidance and took away daemonic possession by default they'd be fine (and lower cost a tad). The melta stuff from the dreadclaw is extremely useful, especially to carve a way for your troops inside.

>>51830173
Nobs and Nauts, those are like the one of the two worst Ork units, am I missing the joke?

>>51831597

Random DE player passing through. I do alright at my store. Covens stuff is solid.

Can I field blood warriors as zerkers without conversions and just say they shoot blood bolts from their hands or mouths?

>>51830752
Oh, speaking of command squads, different anon here, can the banner bearer take a special/main weapon? or is the banner a ccw. I was never able to tell this because it seemed like it's just an equipable weapon but the actual model always just shows a bolt pistol

>>51831673
I would accept this, except I would make sure you said their fluff was shooting the bolts out of their butts. If you said hands or mouths we would not play and I would tell everyone lies about you and not to play you.

>>51831618
OH BOY YOU'RE RIGHT, I JUST LOVE HOW MY MARINES ARE 1 POINT CHEAPER THAN LOYALISTS BUT DON'T HAVE ATSKNF

>>51830071
>>51830137
What is this list builder people use here?

>>51831658

You done sperging out and calling everyone an autist, autismo? Seriously, get madder.

>>51831650
But My Dudes aren't WE.

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>>51831419
>Orks - "I'm beginning to give up on Warhammer too."
It's so true it hurts

>>51831637
I've got one, it's just annoying that CSM still lose out in cost. Most things cost more than they should.

>>51831400
>runs 4 remora drones at 2000 points
>looks at tau'nar
I GOT INTO TAU FOR THE COMBINED ARMS FETISH WHICH IG WOULDN'T SATISFY FOR ME, NOT FOR THE WEABOO MECHA, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>51830418
I got coin, you got bitz. Let's strike a deal.

>>51831491
New Girlyman is overdesigned horseshit

>>51831679
He can, because a standard doesn't replace anything, and the model is still a Veteran so can take upgrades normally.

>>51831691
Top meme.

>>51831693
I'm cool my man. No, really. It's legitimately brightened my day to know you actually came back after getting so thoroughly anally annihilated yesterday.

>>51830534
That's a cool model.

>>51830872
That's because nids are only there to pose a threat, then get beaten without anyone giving a shit.
There's a reason DoW2 originally only had them as NPCs.

>>51831727
He looks like he's wearing plus-size rubric armor with ultramarine emblems

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>>51831597
>Say what you will about the "40k is getting sigmared!!" meme, but fuckhuge retarded centerpiece models heralded AoS, and now we're getting them in 40k as well. I legitimately fear the future of 40k because even if it's not getting AoS'd, the game is going down a retarded path.

I agree. I liked when the Primarchs and the Horus Heresy were parts of the background, not put at the forefront of the setting. The "minutes to midnight" stasis that 40K has always been in seems to be advancing slowly down to seconds, and considering we saw the same thing happen to Warhammer Fantasy I don't blame people (or myself) for worrying about the future.

>>51831709
I actually forgot about Remoras, Still, the same point applies. They aren't big suits, so most stereotype Taufags don't give a shit.

>>51831733
Dubs also I was autistic enough to think that there was slight possibility that you were serious so I looked up "Top meme" and as I expected, no list builder.

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>>51831597
>>51831670
I'm not giving up hope.
Maybe Vect and Urien will get their own triumvirate with some other schmuck.

>>51831762
How can a blind person such as yourself use an imageboard?

>>51831685
How about this
>Before the battle these particular berserkers hold grand fist fighting tournaments.
>During the battle they shoot bolts of blood from their crotches imbued with the blessing of Khorne
>the terrifying spectacle traumatises the enemy before the Berserkers even reach them.

>tfw can't decide between WB and KDK

>>51831704
What show is this?

>>51831750
I'm not really surprised that they're advancing the plot when some people have been asking for it for the last 16 years (maybe longer, but that's as long as I've been reading and playing 40k).

>>51831597
The thing that I really hate is how all these huge centerpiece models should really be restricted to Apocalypse games, but instead the playerbase gets egged on by GW to use them in regular games so that way they can make more money selling all those large, expensive plastic kits.

>>51831739
I can't understand why he's not just in upscaled and blinged out marine armour. His Horus Heresy model is great and one of the better faces of the HH character series too.

>>51830397
>not shooting Abaddon from safe distance
He deserve it anon.

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>>51831770
>New Vect model

Yes please. Rumors were going around about Vect dying or something in Fracture of Biel-Tan, and I was worried since my entire fucking huge Dark Eldar army is painted as the Black Heart Kabal. I have the book but haven't read it all, but from what I've been able to look up it seems Vect is alive, if a bit angry about the Ynnari.

Urien's current model is damn fine as is, but I'd love a model for Vect. If we're doing the "huge centerpiece model" thing for every army I want Vect on his sweet dais as the DE one.

>tfw a week to paint 10 sisters of battle + 2 characters + 2 immolators + 1 exorcist
>tfw still haven't decided on a colour scheme
I'm dying

>>51831756
>forgot about remoras
>cries
no one remembers us, they actually do really well as a 4 model squadron, you take it in the formation that gives them ignores cover, tank hunters, front flyer +1BS. You can mow down cover camping blobs and also deal with av 12 and even av13 with tank hunting seekers. add to that a front markerlight of BS4 and taking the rest to BS5 is easy and leaves you with another 1 markerlight for a seeker on average.

>>51831830
>one of the better faces of the HH character series too.
Too bad the plastic face looks fucking RETARDED

>>51831670

And if you don't want to buy 5 goddamn Talos, you're SoL. God help you if want to play a wych cult or enjoy Hellions. At least Kabalites in Raiders is a thing again, not that they're actually useful.

>>51831830
I agree on your point about the knights. I really don't understand why someone would bring a superheavy to a sub-apoc game. Thematically it doesn't make much sense, and it inflates the game in an unnecessary way. Instead of working with manageable numbers and commonplace strategy, the entire focus becomes this giant superunit.

>>51831862
>not using the helmet
It's like you don't want to take advantage of one of the few actually decent things about the plastic Guilliman.

>>51830632
>Anecronsi
Weren't they called ygnir?

Can forgeworld knights take wargear from the gw knights codex?
Also if they can, what would best work on a cerastus knight atropos?

>>51831913
No.

>>51831863
5 talos? what?

How do I go about using the Vulture with the Punisher cannon for my Guard army? Do I just list it as a fast attack choice?

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Is this any good?
1Dchan makes it seem like they are not that great.
For 1115pts with a Skyhammer Missile Launcher, they look like a steal.
Planning on running 2 in a White Scars army, they are my main anti-air, as well as light tank busters too.

>>51830015

Any reason why you would do DP of Nurgle and not DP of Tzeentch for a 2+ rerollable armor/cover?

>>51831944
>he wants to take a different relic as evidenced by his post
>2+ Jink is usually good enough anyway, especially if they're snap-shooting at him

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>>51831934
>2 of those pieces of shit
>Cost of 1 Fire Raptor Gunship
Your loss

>>51831934
>1115 points

i have no honest advice, i've never seen it used or talked about favorably in person but the i hardly play.

>>51831934
It's alright if you can get past how stupid it looks. The Stormhawk is superior anti-air, though, and you're missing out on the good flyers like the Fire Raptor if you take two.

>taking advice from 1d4memes
Please don't do this.

>>51831934
well, they won't do much as light tank busters, though they'll do as anti-air in a pinch. Flying heavy 3 autocannon is fairly decent, though yeah, it is a bit disappointing for its cost. I mean a valkyrie costs 135 for a lascannon, 2 hellstrike missiles and a 12 man capacity, and it has higher front and side armour, at the expense of lower rear armour and 1 less bs, though overall it is better value, and it is a unit that isn't particularly op, it's fairly balanced, op if spammed like all average or better flyers. What other anti-tak do you have? Lascannons maybe better if your other anti-tank is lacking

>>51832019
not all advice from 1d4chan is bad, and I never would have known what FATAL is without it, and I feel so much more enriched because of it.

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Rate.

>>51831934
They're good and cheap mobility if you're running a very static army (Drop pods or gunline)
As for offensive power they're really light weight, as 7 shots at AP4 nowadays don't impress anyone (and surely noyt a flyrant) and with their average strength people wont even jink their flyer when you shoot at them, meaning you'll run the risk of wasting their fire by bouncing off their armor.

>>51832079
>No point total
>Using Plague Marines when the DG legion rules exist
No

>>51832079
terminator armour is useless for both models if you don't have a termi squad.
Vanilla helbrute is best
lack of melta/plasma will get you fucked if someone does run anything with a 3+ save or a vehicle

>>51831927
The Haemonculus Covens have a pretty strong formation where you take a haemonculus and 5 talos pain engines.
Everything gets a decent feel no pain they can re roll and T7 is hard to chew through for anyone that's not spamming the D.

>tfw could either buy a deimos pattern predator from forge world to go with my legionnaire Space Marines or expand my Sisters army in a week
Which one, /tg/

>>51832162
which do you play more? which can you get faster? how long can you stand sisters being ignored?

i would go with the deimos

>>51831611
They also complain about the 100 to 1 ratio of loyal marine to chaos marine model releases

>>51831944

What >>51831967 said, and you're still vulnerable to psychically aided grav. On top of that, you're forced to waste a power slot on the lore of tzeentch, which is vomit inducing. Nurgles at least has a good power list.

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Thinking of taking a trio of Knights to supplement my Fists. How do these look?

Datasheet: Baronial Court

Knight Crusader w/ Thermal Cannon, Avenger Gatling, Stormspear Rocketpod, Meltagun, and Mark Of The Omnissiah 500pt

Knight Warden w/ Avenger Gatling, Reaper Chainsword, Ironstorm Missile Pod, and Meltagun 410pt

Knight Paladin w/ Rapid-Fire Battlecannon, Thunderstrike Gauntlet, Twin-Icarus Autocannon, and Meltagun 425pt

Total is 1335. Suggestions?

For 30k they'd be (with the power of MAGNETS):

Leviathan Force

Knight Errant w/ Thermal Cannon, Reaper Chainsword, Blessed Autosimulacra, and Occular Augmentics 390pt

Knight Errant w/ Thermal Cannon, Reaper Chainsword, BioCorrosive Rounds, Blessed Autosimulacra, and Occular Augmentics 395pt

Knight Paladin w/ Rapid Fire Battle Cannon, Reaper Chainsword, 2x BioCorrosive Rounds, Blessed Autosimulacra, and Occular Augmentics. Leviathan Lord of War 415pt

Total is 1200. This one seems best to assist things like melee based armies such as Custodes or World Eaters since it kills sturdy targets best and can cover ground units.

Thoughts?

>>51832196

Well you're comparing 6+ "different" armies to one. CSM are MEQ too so the complaints are worthless. You complaining about SW or DW releases to a C:SM player is meaningless. You might as well say SW and DW are CSM releases, it's the same nonsensical logic.

If you want to complain about IMPERIAL releases, you could also say the same about Chaos. KDK, Tzeentch, the billion Khorne releases.

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>>51829793
Better?

>read The Serpent Beneath
So Omegon is actually a loyalist? Why did nobody tell me?

>>51832134
>1 unit of 5 talos
>Let the Harvest Begin: Each time a unit from this Formation completely destroys an enemy non-vehicle unit in close combat, the controlling player scores 1 Victory Point. In missions where players earn Victory Points for completely destroying enemy units, the controlling player will score 1 additional Victory Point each time a unit from this Formation completely destroys an enemy non-vehicle unit in close combat.

christ what. i kinda want it

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>>51832185
Well, I have about 500 points of Sisters so far, whereas I have easily over 1500 points of Space Marines although most of it's infantry. Burning of Prospero plus 20 tactical marines and ten devastators.
Pic related is all the sisters models I have, but not my current list obviously. I kind of want to buy repentias yes I know they're shit and three penitent engines along with heavy weapons and a squad upgrade.
I haven't had a chance to use my sisters in a battle yet since I just got my first batch yesterday and game nights aren't that frequent. I'm really hyped to use them this weekend as allies if nothing else.

>>51832239
It's all been aos shit

Only thing in years has been magnus, sons, and kharn.

13Th black crusade and abbodon looks like a child next to his terminator bodyguard

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>>51832272
Why not just take his head, trophy rack, sword, claw, and slap them on the plastic Chaos Terminator Lord? Works perfectly to make him beastly.

>>51832268
follow your dreams anon, i got more daemon chariots then is wise but they do me well and my fledgling eldar have a wraithlord and guardians

sounds like you wanna buy some more sisters of battle so go for it

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>>51831994
Shop doesn't do FW, so oh well.
>>51832001
Dratz
>>51832019
While dumb looking, all SM flyers are dumb as hell. Some stuff is pretty funny, but others it just leaves stuff to our horrid imagination.
>>51832038
I figured it could do AA in a pinch if needed. Valks I run 2 in my IG/AM army, so concur.
I don't have any long-range stuff like Lascannons in my White Scars. I run 2x 5-Biker squads w/ 2 Melta + Combi-Melta, 2x 5-Biker w/ 2 Grav + Combi-Grav, and 3 Grav-Centurions. My Biker command squad is for CC only. I tried Attack Bikes w/ MM and hated them.
>>51832090
As I am running a Biker army, they will be keeping up with my primary force.
I figured they at one point were pretty hot, I figured Lascannons are a waste sadly, but you are right on players not wanting to jink.

Pic is my army. Ideas how to alter?

>>51832256
Who's Omegon. Isn't that just Alpharius' last name.

I'm Alpharius

>>51832243
autocannons should be in a team, not in infantry squads
grenade launcher on infantry squad is unnecessary
tempestus command squad can be another suicide squad, commissar can be dumped into the IG ccs
flamers in the pcs means they'll need to be close to front lines and die easily.
honestly could do with a valk or two at that point range. either that or a knight/more tanks