Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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r8 my list

First for the forgotten Duncan Dank

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zob4jAGbpMM

American fags only, what do you guys use to strip resin model? Everywhere I go people just give British products, anyone have something that works for them and know where to buy it?

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Greatest Imperial Guard regiment of all time.

>>51825945
Every 500-750 GK list on the planet/10

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I know I posted this dood in wip already but having owned the fucked since 2015 I'm quite pleased to have finally gotten round to bringing him to a level of completion where I can actually use him.
Still got lots of minor parts to do but still.
Now to find someone who'll play against it

>>51826001
Simple Green.
Walmart.

you need to download additional pdfs
https://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQGA

>>51826023
He's already got the hat, so he can't use the cold as an excuse for the peripheral vision blockingh collar.

>>51826001
>Go to Walmart
>"oh we don't carry simple green anymore"

Have you been able to get any from there for the past few months?

>>51826001
no matter what you use, try it with some leftover bits/part of sprue first

>>51826062
You don't need peripheral vision to fire your lasgun and advance straight ahead.

Looking at Dark Eldar.

Beastmaster unit says it must be composed of 1 to 12 models from a list. One of those things is the Khymera, which is 10 points.

There is also the Court of the Archon, which can be taken without an Archon and fills an HQ slot normally if you do so. It must be composed of 1 to 12 models, one of which is the Lhamaean for 10 points.

So I can take up to 8 units that are one model each for 80 points total and thus put up to 8 deep strikable units in reserve at the start of the match, right? And then just use those 8 models for sitting on objectives while I do stuff. Plus you don't need to get an actual HQ if you don't want one.

Is this really dumb or an okay idea?

>>51826075
Was meant for
>>51826045

>>51825918

>>51826054
>https://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQGA

BLFAG need to update it soon, epub isn't working 4 shit here

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Show me those sexy models anons!!!
Any games planned too?

So best way to deal with thunderwolf calvary is s10 or loads of dakka what about wulfen?

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pls8, no b8, no h8

>mfw people still say Taurox is ugly

>>51826075
If you can't get simple green, any sort of mild degreaser will work. As will iso alchohol.

>>51826092
theoretically you can
however i dont think they can deepstrike
you need one fast attack slot per kyhmera and one HQ per lhamaean
they die very easily

Is there any way to make hellions work?
Two 75 point squads of 6 with leader?
Making it 85 points with a stun claw, 10 points to give the leader +1 attack and ID in challenges, I could see some big shot HQ rolling a 1 for their save.

>>51826120
Looks like an MRAP. Super cool actually, and this from a Taurox hater.

>>51826075
https://www.walmart.com/search/?query=simple%20green

>>51826120
Did you paint this, anon?
It looks bretty gud

>>51826001

I use rubbing alcohol.

- Faster
- Stronger
- Cheaper
- More readily available

Only downside is you can't soak them for days, especially not resin.

>>51826119
Lots of strength 8 dakka.

What faction 'chu playin' senpai?

>>51826159
wow, thanx m8

>>51826171
yes, its something I've been working on since last summer and today I finally decided to add the gubbins it was missing

>>51826134
I didn't mean deep striking the dogs or HQs, I meant since you are required to have half of your units that CAN start on the board start on the board, you could use this to get more deep strikable units to start in reserve.

Basically you pay 80 points and then can have up to 8 venoms/raiders start in reserve, plus any aircraft.

The Dark Eldar detachment also has 2 HQ and 6 fast attack slots, with one of each being required, so there are enough slots. It would also only take 90 points (1 HQ 2 40pt troops choices) to start a new CAD if you needed to, which could put venoms on the warriors. 100 pts to start a new DEldar detachment due to the FA requirement.

>>51826149
>Is there any way to make hellions work?
no
too expensive, shit save not fast enough, too little firepower no real melee damage

>>51825918
I want the Sailor Celestine fag to leave. It was cute at first but quickly became cancer.

>>51826092
10 pt hqs have been a dark eldar tactic for a while. I myself run a double cad with one archon and one lhamia (who sits in reserves so the enemy doesn't get first blood)

>>51826111
Should have a game against a Tau friend this week at 500 points. We're going for a campaign style thing and slowly building up points.

Last week I managed to take out his scouts in a kill team game. Got pretty lucky with the Leadership on my units after he picked off most of my Synapse.

>>51826111
Ye boi, playing a 3 round tournament on sunday. Capture the relic mission from the rulebook. Kinda a refresher/newbies tournament
1000 points. I'm fielding Kharn + Berzerker blob + spawn to fulfill aux requirement in World Eaters detachment

As far as models go, >>51826031
is mine

>>51826227
thats possible but extremly dangerous as a few bad reserve rolls will fuck you up big time due to having too little on the board

>>51826170
Thanks anon I know how google works, they don't carry it in store and if I wanted to order it I'd order some black magic British people swear by like dettol

>>51826120
>exhaust still leads directly through the crew compartment
>the volley gun is still in a completely retarded place
I give it a 6/10. Good starting point for those who want to make the Taurox cool. I was going to say 7 but you get -1 for undrilled HB barrels

>>51826111
I've got my weekly session with friends this Saturday. I anticipate playing against Tau with my Blood Angels..

>>51825918
I guess the Duncan was a dream to grand to be realized.

The rules wiki is totally fucking sweet, though. I don't like using e-mail, though. Does Admin anon read tg?

>>51825918
>ttps://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQG
It's a little light, but I may add this to the next copypasta.

>>51826227
There isn't any limit on how many units you can put into reserve.

>>51826191
How long would you recommend? What about dilution?

>>51826227
>I meant since you are required to have half of your units that CAN start on the board start on the board
That's not a rule, just common sense.

Reserves are very unreliable and don't contribute to the battle so you want as few units as possible in reserve.

>>51826311
meant to quote this anon. >>51826100

How can a person just wake up one day and say to themselves "yeah, I want to be a craftworld player."?

What kind of abuse have these people been through?

>>51826334
Unless they are garunteed to come in, you have reserve manipulation, or you don't care about them trickling in

>>51826316
>>51826334
Well shit, I was told otherwise by my friends.

I guess I don't need to do this bullshit unless I just want dogs sitting on points then.

>>51826321

I used 70% as it was very cheap, and comes in larger bottles. To remove a "I fucked up" paintjob, I immediately tossed it in undiluted shallow tub, and paint washed off within seconds. 5 minutes and a very lazy toothbrush scrub and it was off.

For dried and cured paint, I soaked FW resin for 1 hour. This was too long. Toothbrush scrubbed everything off, however, the resin was very, very slightly soft and "gummy". Like 95% of the inner core was still hard resin, but the top 5% surface felt slightly like a very hard eraser. I left it alone and it hardened up after 1-2 weeks. No damage.

I have not used my 91% bottle yet, but I imagine you should not soak resin for more than 15 minutes. You can probably soak plastic much longer and it won't get "gummy" because it is polystyrene and not resin. I do not know how Finecast fairs, but I've seen people strip FInecast and get permanently floppy swords so beware.

Diluting it will allow you to soak longer, but iso is so strong and fast there's no real need.

>>51826031
I'd love to build this model on a robot hoover just for giggles.

>>51826232
Not even as a 65 point distraction squad to soak up overwatch?

I suppose, for 3 extra points I may as well take jinking reavers...

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>>51826111
Reposting my painted tau army

>>51826120
Taurox on wheels is pretty decent, since then it looks like the MRAPs and humvees it's based on. Most of why it looks retarded is that the treads make it look tall to a silly degree, and look like it'd handle like a dead pig on an icerink.
If I had the money to burn, I'd buy a kit just to see if trimming the middle out of the track units and maybe lengthening them would unfuck the profile.

You could possibly make the default treads look good if you deliberately dressed it up as kitted out for use in snowfields since that's actually how they do it, occasionally with the front ones as steerable skis instead.

Also, that looks like a pretty nice paintjob there dude.

Anons is it a good idea to swap out the CSM bolters for CCWs if they have MoK and Icon of Wrath?

Legion is Word Bearers.

>>51826405
Guess I should mention I meant finecast

>>51826233

I lived to see a /tg/ Hipster saying

>i thought it was cool before it became memey

>>51826208
Salamanders
I got a guy I'm playing on Wednesday that's gonna for sure bring a storm fang some calvary and some wulfen

>>51826447

Rubbing alcohol, Simple Green, and Dettol all ruin Finecast.

>>51826450
Flameblade strike force gets you wounding on 3+ rerolling Heavy Flamers, wounding on 4+ rerolling Flamers against his TWC.

Heavy Flamers can force lots of saves on TH/SS Wulfen, especially in overwatch.

>>51826450
>close range flamer army vs the best melee army in the game

Take shitloads of melta for the wulfin

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>>51826111
My first paint
no hate pls
(gun is not painted since i dont know what colour should i pick)

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>>51826233

>Hating on Sailor Moon and Celestine
you need to leave

>>51826311

This anon >>51825958 posted it already

>>51826447
Super Clean oil degreaser. Used on my Inquisitor and buddies just fine.

>>51826431
All these tanks. I miss old tau.

>>51826477
Well then what should I use?

>>51826494
Good job. Just add a few highlights and it's GD quality.

>>51826494
That's pretty clean for your first model ever. But if I can give honest one piece of advice, it would be to thin your paints.

>>51826517
Skyray is still the best AA option in the codex and Hammerheads are good against anything short of an MC.

>>51826431
is that a razorshark?
we should keep the picture and name it there are gud tau players, guys

>>51826522

Probably Fairy Power Spray (which is UK I think) or LA Totally Awesome.

>>51826450
Vindicators.
Melta spam for the wulfen, grav spam for thunder wolves.
Dreadnoughts with heavy flamers, maybe an iron clad.

If he's spending a shitload of points on his top tier melee troops he should hopefully not have much ranged AT, they'll smash up your dreads in combat but not before you get to swing. If you're lucky they can ID lots of yiffs before they go down.

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>>51826111
Still painting

Getting time to game is tough

>>51826439
if you have any idea how to get them into close combat for a reasonable price, then yes.
i dont

>>51825918

when the ruskies are creating better W40k mods than cylarne's Ultimate Circlejerk

>http://www.moddb.com/mods/echo-of-heresy

>>51826553
The whole thing is magnetized so that I can field it as a sunshark or razorshark

>>51826303

I still maintain that the Taurox design works so much better as an Ork vehicle. All the retarded design decisions then make perfect sense.

>>51826494
Can't see shit, cap'n.

Find the macro mode on your camera and get a better light.

Looks like you need to thin your paints more even though the application is sharp enough, comparing with the gun detail to try and account for the camera blurriness.

>>51826589
looks sexy af anon, tbqh

you wanna play me? (Games Workshop, Glendale California (los angeles))

>>51826516
Looks pretty, if I didn't paint like a blind man I'd say I'd aspire to paint that.

>>51826509
He may have posted it first in this thread, but I was the one who first added it to the OP. I'm trying to weigh its reception to determine if it is worthy of continuation.

>>51826448
You misinterpret "cute" as meaning "cool, or "I was down with it" when in fact I meant "it was bearable considering this general also plays host to shitposters like themesongfag and cheetahfag". Make no mistake, it was always memery.

>>51826516
Holy fucking shit. How did he make those runes glow like that :o!?

>>51826439
I only find that worth doing if they are black legion in a hounds of abbadon formation

So much free shit and a once per game run then charge (with crusader)

>>51826593


its me or /tg/ decided to hate Ultimate Apocalypse over the last few months?

>>51826431
Got any clearer pics or closeups on smaller groups of models? It's a kinda small/blurry there.

Looks good for what I can see, though.

>>51826606
>All the retarded design decisions then make perfect sense.

I think it's just a side effect of the designers attempting to make a vehicle look like an MRAP, without actually understanding HOW an MRAP works from a design perspective.

To be fair, this is an extremely common problem in all gaming communities, not just 40K, so I don't hold it against them much, especially given how it can easily be converted to be "less bad"

>>51826647
drybrush

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>>51826621
Sorry bro

Australia here

>>51826647
multiple layers of blue that slowly get lighter + painting the middle with white

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>>51826111
My dark eldar vs tau.

My talos tore up his riptide and reavers ran over his ghost keel, ended up tabling him turn 5.
My scourges furiously banging on the rear armour of a devil fish after it wouldn't stop jinking.

>>51826665
Sorry, not right now and my models are already packed up as I'm moving next week. I'll get to it when I have time.

>>51826589
Nice. You should totally drill your bolter barrels though.

>>51826648
Oh, okay. This is my current list I'm building towards, what do you think?

1500 Word Bearers

HQ
-Daemon Prince of Khorne, 160
+Wings, 40
+Power Armor, 20
+Gift of Mutation, 10
+Axe of Blind Fury, 35
Total, 265

Troops
-2xChaos Space Marines, 75
+2 Meltaguns, 20
+Lightning Claw, 15
+9 CCW, 18
+5 CSM, 65
+Gift of Mutation, 10
+Mark of Khorne, 20
+Icon of Wrath, 20
+Veterans of the Long War, free
Total, 243 (486)

Dedicated Transports
-2xChaos Rhinos, 35
+Dozer Blade, 5
+Dirge Caster, 5
+Havoc Launcher, 12
Total, 57 (114)

Fast Attack
-Raptors, 95
+5 Raptors, 85
+2 Meltaguns, 20
+Lightning Claw, 15
+Gift of Mutation, 10
+Mark of Khorne, 20
+Icon of Wrath, 15
+Veterans of the Long War, free
Total, 260

Heavy Support
-3xMaulerfiends, 125 (375)

Total: 1500

>>51826536
Sure thing.
>>51826541
I have no idea how am i supposed to thin my paints, I guess it's time to learn it.
>>51826615
See? That's the problem, i had to paint it all using a fucking flashlight because my desk lamp broke.
The light you can see on the model is from said flashlight.

So, what kind of colour would fit super dark purple+gehenna's gold?

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>>51826516
In the same theme

>>51826712
Thanks anon, forgot to do him as he was the only bolter in the squad

>>51826721
dip your brush in water and mix it with the paint on your palette

>>51826701
>My talos tore up his riptide
how the hell did he manage to be caught by a model that is slower and does not have a jetpack either?

>>51826593
>RU only
Fuck that then. Besides FoK is arguably superior to UA if you are looking for balanced gameplay. UA is just completely over the top as shit, exactly as 40k should be.

>>51826654
/tg/ hates anything popular, though it's true it's a massive fucking circlejerk hugbox over there. There's a lot of stupid shit in that mod I'd cut out but can't because someone worked real hard on it. I mean they have two Riptide models in the game for fuck's sake, and one is shit.

>>51826721
>with a flashlight
Wat

M8 just turn on the light in your room.

Also, watch Warhammer TV's painting guides, Duncan is great.

>>51826720
I feel you have spent too many points in upgrades

Also I think you need a sorcerer for the sweet 3+ Summoning

Can I ask here for some homebrewing advice? I run Slaanesh Daemons and my friends agreed to let me switch around the Daemonic alignments on some other units so I can have some more variety.

I opted to go for Plagueflies and Screamers since they fit the bill for fast. I figured Screamers would be fine just trading out their save re-roll for rending, but I wasn't sure what, if anything, I should alter all the poison weapons and options on Plagueflies to.

>>51826111
Any tips for Rough Riders? I just finished making some, although I don't want to share pictures yet as much work still needs to be done.

>>51826725
Holy shit now I wanna paint word bearers

new player here

I'm currently making a CSM army built around heavy support because most of my favorite units are stuff like defilers, havocs, vindicators, fiends, etc. from a model standpoint, I like the look of big guns. In my 1500 point list I want at least 2 vindicators, but that doesn't leave room to also have havocs and forgefiends.

Seems like the easiest answer is to take the Fist of the Gods formation from Traitor Legions, which is a Warpsmith + 3 of any combination of predators and vindicators, it gives bonuses to repair to the vehicles and a 6++ too, but I'm mostly considering it for the extra slots. The question is, where do I put the warpsmith? If I want to use his bonuses to repair the tanks, then he's basically going to need to be on foot, but idk what would be a good foot unit to attach a warpsmith. Should I just go with 20 cultists for ablative wounds and obsec, or something else?

>>51826543
I might be an uninitiated pleb, but I've always maligned the Skyray for its limitied ammunition. I'm thinking about making a mecha-based Tau army and a more tank-y based one; is it as bad as I make it to be in my head?

http://imgur.com/gallery/V0gND

>>51826749
Every turn he shot at it, he'd fail to wound/it would pass it's FnP.

They had it literally backed in to a corner in the end.
Also, the archon managed to tank a million missiles on his shadow field.

>>51826031
Nice but too bad the model sucks cock for the points it's asking for (888 points).

>>51826732
Fair enough. As modelling corrections go at least it's a piss easy fix.

>>51826721
Use the brush to put some paint on a palette, then use it to transfer some water. The usual thing is to aim for something that has the consistency of milk, though you might thin it more for fine highlights/recess shades.

Look up warhammertv on YouTube, it has a ton of really good painting and modelling videos from GW.

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>>51826654

Nope, some people got fucking pissed when cylarne decided to keep the Tranny vanilla sister of battle models, and use the shit retextures made by this guy

>http://www.moddb.com/mods/eranthis-project

when a ruskie, pissed off with both went "DO IT BETTER THEN" and made these better sister models, said guy is also the one who made the guardsman mod and the models for both Bloodline and now HardMod

>http://www.moddb.com/mods/sister-of-battle-hd-retextures-by-leonardgoog

>>51826751
FoK is dead and the devs moved on to UAmod, which didn't change the quality, because the Circlejerk from Relic news moved to UA Discord

>>51826792
You can take a squadron of Vindicators and have two tanks in one slot. If you do, up the squad to three to take advantage of the combined fire 10" blast of pure rape.

If you go ahead with the formation you could do worse with Obliterators as an escort. They have S&P so they can move and shoot, power fists for melee and are pretty fucking bulky, so their only issue is keeping up with the shit the smith is meant to be fixing. But unless you can put him on a bike (I totally forget) then he's going to suffer that same issue himself anyway. Also Oblits are fluffy as fuck if you're going for an IW angle, and if you actually use IW rules you get them as Troops, too.

>>51826795
Skyray is fucking amazing. It doesn't need any upgrades so it's only 115p for the tank. It's pretty durable with 13/12/10 with jink. You gotta have a plan for them though. Pick a target and dose all 6 missiles into it. Most things should be dead/crippled by then. After that you still have 2xbs4 markerlights with velocity tracker so you can turn other units into AA units with them. With SMS it can still chip units in relative safety or you can scoot it around on objectives and disrupting los and moving. Best thing is that no one wants to really shoot it after it has spend all the missiles.

tl;dr go all in on a single valuable target and after it you have neat utility support unit.

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>>51825918
Wait, this isn't a Sailor Moon thread...

>>51826766
But I don't like summoning.

Other than that, what do you think I should change?

>>51826837


well its sad, but then Dawn of War 1 Community is full of "muh stolen assets and models" autists

>>51826846
Pretty sure Chaos Marines haven't gotten their squadron update yet

>>51826872
Change the demon prince to a lord riding a juggernaut with some spawn escorts

The demon prince is too easy to kill for its cost

>>51826861
Neat, cool to know. I've got more than enough of a backlog as is, but I'll keep them much more in mind from now on.

>>51826795
>I might be an uninitiated pleb, but I've always maligned the Skyray for its limitied ammunition.
Most flyers have 2-3 HP and virtually no armor. Seekers are S8 and the Skyray itself has networked markerlights to ignore Jinks, so it's very hard not to kill at least one flyer minimum, making it worth its cost in points.
Even after the Seekers are gone, a twin-linked SMS at BS4 before the markerlights is just as good as a Fire Warrior squad if not better, or in a worst-case scenario, you still have two skyfire BS4 markerlights for your other units.

The only real disadvantage it has as an AA option is the lack of Interceptor, which is why you see Riptides in that role more often than not. But you can get two Skyrays for the price of one Riptide, so it balances out in every regard short of slots.

Armored Interdiction Cadre is also a criminally underused formation, but that's probably just because of the MC-spam meta.

>>51826878
It's right there in Traitor Legions.

>>51826878
No, they have

it's just as shit as the marine one since everyone is going to focus fire a single vindicator, and as soon as it's stunned or dead the 10 inch mega-blast is gone, and squads of tanks are shit in general.

But it exists. also very poor in Fist of the gods since a squad is still only one of the 3-5 tank choices you need to have

>>51826863
venus is best

>>51826878
Yes they have

It was in traitors hate and reprinted in traitor legions

Hey does anyone have the craftworld eldar codex in epub form?

> Imperial Guard multiplayer shooter when


Until then I have Elysian chaos revolt simulator (SW:BF) and Krieg simulator (BF1) I guess... Am I the only one this desperate?

>>51826846
>You can take a squadron of Vindicators and have two tanks in one slot. If you do, up the squad to three to take advantage of the combined fire 10" blast of pure rape.

I thought that was loyalist-only.

I'm using a generic chaos warband fluffwise but yeah I might use Iron Warriors rules. I don't think I'll need to do much running anyway because so far in my games I don't move my tanks more than 6" anyway, the fiend is a walker and the vindicators move 6" only to fire their demolishers. Oblits seems good.

>>51826758
>warhammer tv
Already on it
>M8 just turn on the light in your room
My room's lights suck in general, they are very weak

>>51826900
But the Daemon Prince is cool though.

>>51826956
The chaos Dex is bad

You need to balance the cool and effective or you are gunna have a bad time

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Finally finished the chassis of my Dunecrawler. Now to decide wether I take the Icarus Array or the Neutron Laser for my next tourney and paint that up.

As someone on /wip/ already mentioned, the blue is a bit pooled in places, but I like how it all turned out.

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>>51826111

Finished her over the weekend. Not sure on the base yet.

>>51826981
Nice

>>51826593
Installed DoW again yesterday just to try out that UA mod. So this is better?
In general, what mods would people recommend? I'd like some mod that works with the campaign/s as well, especially one for DC

>>51826981
looks good but that base doesn't make any sense. it would fall through into the water would it not? I guess the water isn't necessarily deep.

I'm worried for Slaanesh.

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>>51826907
>mfw bringing my Skyray to every game
>mfw stayed loyal to the CAD when the faction devolved into formation spam because of muh combined arms and muh Skyray
>mfw nuked a Wraithknight down to 1 wound turn 1 by blowing all its missiles DoW-style with both markerlights hitting for BS6
>mfw stripped off the last wound turn 2 with a suicide melta Crisis
>mfw everybody underestimates my Railside battery when they're ignoring cover vs flyers thanks to the Skyray
>mfw being an absolute cock with it once its missiles are gone, contesting objective and tank shocking shit
>mfw rammed the last HP off a Knight in this way one time
>tfw started getting declined games because I play Tau and everyone assumes my good win record is due to fucking Riptide and Stormsurge memes
>tfw I don't play Tau anymore
>tfw no Skyray

>>51827008
>making sense
>40k
But yeah, it's a bit of a stretch to have cracked ice like that for such a big vehicle, though I more thought of it just being cracked ice upon more ice due to combat happening and shattering the upper layers, freezing them over again and then shattering again.
I also just like the look of it.

>>51826681
>Okay men
not
>Alright chaps
0/5

>>51826593
>>51826654
>>51826837
>ultimate apoc

a shitty spamfest with shitty model and shitty skins.

you faggs didnt play winter assault back in the day now did ya?

>>51826916
Mars was my waifu because Jupiter looked too much like my sister and it made it weird.

>>51827062
>winter assault
Fuck you, Winter Assault is where VDoW started going wrong and didn't get better. Vanilla's hard counter system was fucking ace and I still miss it every time I replay the campaign.

>>51826981
This is awesome dude. Nice job. Got a shot of more models?

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>>51826031
>someone actually spent money on, and then devoted time to that Action Bastard lookin peice of shit.

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>>51826916
Good choice, but they are all best.
Especially Ami.

Is there any fluff friendly mod for dow 1?

>>51825945
I fought a list like this once with my 2 vets 2 tanks IG army.

Having a tank commander with the full throttle command came in handy. Especially when I drove over difficult terrain.

>>51827145
I agree, every sailor is the best girl.

>>51827051
I agree it looks friggen sweet. but that and the molten bases never made much sense to me despite them both looking 10/10

If I put a character in a squad (Priest, LD7) and a Primaris Psyker (LD9), would I be testing on the Priest's LD for war hymns or the Psyker's?

>>51826433
In order for it to work you'd probably need extra-long tracks, just like the Snow trucks. The Taurox Treads are just too small.

>>51826981
You are aware that the Icarus and Neutron Laser are interchangable, right?
In fact you can even make the Beamer if for some reason you wanted to use that too. The only bit you can't make is the Phosphor Blaster, because it uses the same mount as the Icarus' autocannons.

>>51827083
neck yourself there is nothing wrong with vanilla Dawn of War in any of the expansions

>>51826975
Dang. I kinda thought it was a pretty good choice since it's S9 on the charge and with Daemon Weapon he can get up to 13 attacks on the charge if he rolls luckily, and since he has wings and a 3+, he'd be pretty hard to hit as well.

>>51827181
The priests. You only use the highest Ld if the whole unit is making a Ld test.

>>51827238
thank you

>>51827206
>any

Lets not go that far. Soulstorm got better but the campaign still sucks compared to Dark Crusade, and the AI can be broken depending on the faction.

Last game I played with DEldar AI on max last week they spent the entire game building halls of blood across a 1/3rd of the map and never fielded any reinforced units or vehicles.

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>>51827133
Now I have.

Priest was the first AdMech model and white robed model I ever did, hence the sloppiness. Gonna have to do a bunch of Kataphrons and another Priest over the next 2 weeks to finish my guys for their first tourney.

>>51827083
>Fuck you, Winter Assault is where VDoW started going wrong and didn't get better
it was a spam fest, and you gonna tell me this apoc mods are any better? specially on thie SHIT STAINED Shit Storm?

>>51827206
>being this retarded
Clearly you never played the base DoW1. That's the vanilla game, or DoW Gold to newfags like you, without any active expansions. It featured a C&Cesque counter system that ensured every single unit was viable and allowed tactics and strategy to bloom.

Winter Assault shat all over that by attenuating the system to only be a recommendation of what to fight with a unit, as well as introducing retarded unit caps to stop units that now had no downsides from completely ruining the game.

Dark Crusade took it further, by adding in the broken Guard HWT (as in it literally did not work), Tau as a horribly designed piece of shit faction and Necrons as fucking ubercheese like holy shit why even make a game about map control if one faction ignores the map entirely?
And then we got Soulstorm, which is a meme because of how bad it is. Clearly you don't remember the infinite resources Sisters bug that fucking killed the online community dead, right? And I even like the Dark Eldar in that game, it's just such a piece of shit otherwise. Its campaign was also uninspired and had terrible writing even by DoW standards. At least the game balance was okay after they patched it all over WHICH TOOK SEVERAL YEARS HOLY SHIT.

The series has never been as good as the very first game.

>>51827188
Jokes on you, I made everything interchangeable already. It comes with 3 of the anchor points, one for the Neutron Laser, one for the Eradication Ray and one for Icarus and Phosphor. Magnetized Neutron and Erad as normal and then just added 2 magnets to where the actual Phosphor Laser and the Autocannons from the Array attach. Also added a magnet to the side where the missiles are and there ya go. Though I fucked up a bit with the Autocannons and the magnets in them aren't perfectly straight so the cannons are always a tad bit crooked.

>>51827221
The issue is he is a buttload of points for t5, a 5+ invuln and no immunity to id.

Add to that he does nothing in the shooting phase and you have the potential to have him do nothing at all.

By contrast a lord on juggernaut is just as fast. Can join units and tops out around 180 points or so.

>>51827365
Alright, then keep up the good work my man.

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>>51826001
Pic related I've had great success with metal, been waiting to try it on some sprue to see the effects.

Bleche White Tire Cleaner has worked great, won't eat plastic. Soaked a model for over 6 hours.

>>51827316
I have played all the dawn of wars (yes the original too you fruit) extensively
go back to 1d4chan you fucking faggot, it's well accepted that DC and to a lesser extent SS are the best in the series, and for good reason.

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Done building my first unit.how does this sound for a paint scheme:

1.daemonette hide
2.Abaddon black
3.Ironbreaker
4.Total druchii violet wash
5.slaanesh grey skin highlights
6.Lucius lilac drybrushed on hair

>>51827444
>go back to 1d4chan
Is this some kind of new meme?

>it's well accepted
[citation needed]

>for good reason
Such as?

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>>51827380
At least he's WS8 and I8

GW plz buff Khornate WB

>>51826233
I agree. It's fucking cancerous.

>>51827514
DPs are WS9, which is an important breakpoint?
>b-but I took the meme axe
Have you tried not being retarded?

>it's seal anon
Oh, that explains it.

>>51827501
>go back to 1d4chan
>Is this some kind of new meme?
you're complaints read almost word for word what is written under the
>bitching about shit no one cares about
section of the Dawn of War article

>it's well accepted
>[citation needed]
they're the ones with a fairly large and active playerbase still, unlike vanilla or WA

>for good reason
>Such as?
mod support, available factions, dynamic campaign, an actual playerbase

if you want balance, play retribution, preferably with the elite mod.

>>51826233
this

>>51827545
>Seal anon

I just thought that was an appropriate reaction image? Though I do see it a lot. But nah, I haven't posted on here in weeks, there was a range ban back where I was staying.

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>>51827071
My sister behaved almost exactly how sailor mercury did when we were younger. To this day I can't really fap to her.

>>51827545
How else would you equip a melee DP? The axe seemed like a good choice, especially combined with the Strength Bonus and the amount of extra attacks it'd grant?

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Why is Objective Secured so shit. CAD's are literally worthless.

Why is the scale for 40k so fucked?

>>51827677
>implying ObSec is bad
>when you can camp objectives for guaranteed VPs

>>51827677
formations were a mistake

>>51827685
I liked it when you couldn't squadron up vehicles, at least not tanks or such

>>51827685
What do you mean?

>>51827649
the axe makes him WS8 though
which means that WS4 hits him on 4 rather than 5

>>51827715
why doesn't weapon skill work like ballistic skill?

Why do tourney lists have Kairos? Isn't he overcoated? Having him as a grimoire caddy is the goal I guess but you get an impossible to hide albeit flying MC in turn with less warp dice than other options?

>>51827728
Because WS is comparative.

>>51827741
I guess, but it still works like shit

>>51827592
>haha you must be from 1d4
1d4 thinks Eldar are the cheesiest faction in DoW. I am not like them. Let me tell you I sourced my complaints from having actually played the fucking game online throughout all expansions, ragequit twice in DC due to Necrons and fucking gave up when Soulstorm was new because games where players picked Sisters were foregone conclusions.

I then fucked off back to C&C:TFD and never came back except when I felt like playing friendly games as DE.

>mod support
Mods have been directly supported since at least WA, and have no bearing on the actual game's system anyway.
>available factions
Variety is nice but it's not always a good thing. Again, Tau and Necrons are fucking awful especially in DC.
>dynamic campaign
Soulstorm's campaign is shit. Dark Crusade's is great but DoW1 and WA campaigns are more story-driven.
>an actual playerbase
How does this have anything to do with the quality of the game? People play the newest shit. Fucking hell, there's a good amount of people playing Eternal Crusade right now, but that doesn't make the gameplay better or more polished than Space Marine's.

>kek just play DoW2
DoW2's campaign is excellent but the skirmish is fucking shit. I hated it and always will, even after repeated attempts to force myself to get into it. Last Stand is baller though.

>>51827649
Black Mace

>>51827728
Because it's easier to dodge and parry a sword than it is to dodge or parry a bullet

>>51827715
Yeah, that makes sense. I just thought that it didn't really matter as much since with the volume of attacks he'd be throwing out, nothing would get to hurting him.

>>51827728
Dunno, I guess it's to represent two people hitting eachother rather than how good you are at hitting something?

>>51827761
Yeah, that seems like a good choice, though my only problem is that the DP model doesn't have an awesome Daemonic mace on the sprue, and I know I'd screw up trying to convert something like that.

>>51827711
The number of soldiers (for want of a better word) on the board in relation to the support elements available and board size.

Stuff like Basalisks being way too close to the enemy, and Leman Russ parking lots.

>>51826984

Gravel/Wasteland is a safe base that fits on the majority of tables.

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>>51826111
Most recent model. Taking a break for a few days.

On a side note, DEldarbros report in with a picture of a mini. I kinda want to take a mini census.

>>51827592

is you the same autist neckbearded dipshit who keeps saying that wrath of magnus along with the redeemed primarch is non canon?

>>51827799
Something like epic would be more your speed then.

>>51827677

They should have never made everything scoring. If you play Unbound, you simply can't score, how hard is that?

>>51827804

Yea, that's what i was trying with my other ones, mostly with the Astro texture paint.

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>>51827471
These models suck cock. I'd rather get the daemonettes from a 3rd party supplier

>>51827786
>>>51827649
black mace is AP2 for a DP too so why take the axe?

>>51827809

looks amazing, anon.

>>51827786
>my only problem is that the DP model doesn't have an awesome Daemonic mace on the sprue

>he actually uses the shitty plastic DP
Nigga the only reason I don't play Daemons as my main army is because I would convert the shit out of everything. Practice makes perfect and there is no time like the present to start out.

>>51827839
>implying daemonettes don't suck cocks regardless of manufacturer

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I need opinions. I am looking to get into the dark eldar but the overall price tag for an 1850 point army is daunting, so I will have to build the army little by little.

Questions:
Is pic related a good army? It has all the models I like from the dark eldar.

Should I start by getting the wytches and building up to the pricier models or start with the big ticket items first?

>>51827765
>untrained civ conscript ws2
>super human spacemarine ws4
>the conscript hits them on 4+
>so easy to dodge and party he still hits 50% of the time.
Meanwhile
>ws5 bs5 captain
>such amazing accuracy he can hit 5/6 of shots from across a dark, gloomy battlefield
>misses a stationary vehicle with his melee weapon 33% of the time

There are no excuses for this.

>>51827879
also, I don't really like the archon model but I have them in the list so show the overall build. I'll probably scratch build my own archons

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>>51827809

Mostly just base coat stuff. Believe it or not, that's a dark green armor. Iirc, it's the Reaper pine green or something.

>>51827839
>I want Infinity-tier cheesecake on everything
Fuck you. Diazmonettes are as lewd as they need to be and hit a sweetspot. Anything more, like what you posted, is just neckbeard-tier.

The plastic GW Daemonettes are garbage, though.

>>51827649
I have not looked at the word bearer relics

Is one of them an option?

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>>51827809
In going to steal your idea and make a heamonculi like that.

>>51827765
There should still be a point where 2+ and 6+ actually show up on the table though. Even if it's only fora difference of 4 or more so WS 5 people can reliably hit the blind or defenseless vehicles, and a Bloodthirster can reliably hit those people the same way

>>51827898
how do we fix this??

>doesnt the conscript hit on 5+ cause marines WS is 2X the conscripts??

>>51827898
>ws5 bs5 captain with centuries of battle experience and shit
>can only fire his pistol ~6 times in the whole battle
>able to swing his sword like 4 times in a combat
It's almost like the rules work on some arbitrary basis!

>>51827898
Aren't stationary vehicles auto hit?

Probably dumb question: how badly would a Genestealer list with no (or at least minimal) actual genestealers in it do?

>>51827950
It's 2X +1 at the moment.

>>51827898
They should generally tune up WS for actual melee units much higher and then set a border of a difference at which you automatically hit.

>>51827827
So they'd have to give all their formations obsec as well?
Or that they'd just ignore objectives and go for the tabling every time.

Either way, armies with shit troops like Nids and Orks would be fucked while armies with good troops like daemons and eldar would love it.

>>51827878
They skewer dismembered cocks onto nails of their toes and feed them to one another while 69'ing

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>>51827935
Do it. Gives some flavor to the army, too. I didn't want 2 of the same Haemonculus models and I was too impatient to wait for the Finecast one to pop up on eBay so I bought a single Wrack instead. I was going to do a headswap but the Dark Eldar heads are bigger than Wrack ones and he looked...less than reasonable...

Pic related was when I was messing with poses.

>>51827761
>mods have been supported since WA
yeah but the only really good ones are in DC and SS, and they may have no bearing on the vanilla experience but they make the game better a whole package
>variety is nice but not always a good thing
in video games if the choice is between stagnant balance or fun variety, then variety for most people will win out in the end which leads to my next point
>People play the newest shit.
No, people play DC and SS because of the available mod support, different and dynamic campaigns and from above the extra variety. Them being newer is just besides the point. You can play the vanilla DOW all you want, but you still only have four factions total, many favorite armies are not included, people will gladly take the worse off balance and such for the ability to play as say the Imperial Guard, or Tau, add in mod support which could even include Tyranids and you have yourself something more than the sum of it's parts.
I will say that yes, the balance took a turn for the worse after the first game, it was bound to happen, that's what occurs when you add in new shit and mechanics to keep the game itself fresh, and players interested, it wasn't perfect, but for the most part it's what people wanted. (Yes I know there were HUGE bugs and issues in SS and Necrons in DC were retardedly OP)
You really have to keep in mind that the first DOW came out over a decade ago, and SS is almost ten years old itself, so most people still playing don't remember or don't care about how the game was pre-patches.
I want to say that I have nothing against you for wanting a more balanced game, or for wanting to play the vanilla game instead of the expansions, but to completely write off the expansions because of their imbalances is just ridiculous, as I said, there's a reason why people still play SS and DC more than vanilla, despite their issues.

Honestly I wrote too much, i'm not trying to start an argument here.

>>51827815
no

>>51827987

Did you never play before 7th edition?

>>51827879
You don't have have to play 1850 tournament standard.
Unless they're complete ITC zombies people also play 500-1000 point games.

>>51827954
Fags who cannot suspend their disbelief are the worst.

>implying one shot isn't representative of a continued fusillade, with BS determining how accurate each individual barrage is
>implying each attack action is just the dude swinging his sword and not representative of his aggressive stance and combat expertise allowing him to create more openings to strike the opponent

You retards have no imagination. The game is, was and always has been based on arbitrary rulings. Why don't you just go deliberate on exactly what happens when a Knight Stomps an Orkanaut or Riptide off the table, or something.

>>51828049
>>implying one shot isn't representative of a continued fusillade, with BS determining how accurate each individual barrage is

Because it isn't. I.e. combis.

>>51827911
The raging heroes ones are diaz tier just with better modeling and poses.

Anyone ever played one of the off-shoot guard regiments like Mordians or Tallarn? I've been thinking about making a big investment into a Vostroyan army.

>>51826820
>taking the bait of shooting at 1 talos
>instead of using insane maneuverability to run away
o i am laffin
that pain engine formation ruined my day once but that's because the mission rules we were testing let him infiltrate them. yeah...

>>51828089
I would love to, but they're (comparatively) expensive and only in metal/resin

>>51828068
>combi-weapons only ever shoot once
Combi-plasmas are Rapid Fire
Combi-gravs are Salvo 2/3
Checkmate autists.

>>51827950
Make it so
x2WS=they hit you on 5s
x2+1WS=you hit them in 2s

Boom, having Ws2 actually means something now.

>>51827839
do you know a 3rd party supplier?

>>51827976
Only if immobilised.

>>51827911
Yeah I guess if I was a disgusting creature instead of an attractive, well groomed man that got into this hobby painting and not of jerking off to kawaii Tyranids it'd be frowned upon

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Does anyone have the Daemonology version of these?

>>51828021
We will never be able to return to past editions.

>>51828166
vehicles that did not move are auto-hit in CC

>>51828207
You're thinking of an older edition m8

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>>51827842
Axe gives Rage and +2S. Also 10 points cheaper.

But yeah, good point.

>>51827868
I actually kinda like how pic related looks though. Sad that it doesn't look anywhere near as cool as the old one, but at least it's plastic and has different arm options and wings.

>>51828207
Vehicles are always WS1, even if they didn't move.

t. Techpriest Datasmith who spent three turns failing to punch a Drop Pod to death.

>>51828189
>appearance and social standing of a model's owner affect how socially acceptable a model is
Oh fuck off. Nobody gives a shit how you look because that doesn't change the fact that it's creepy as fuck to collect plastic lewds.

>>51827898
Non-walkers count as WS1

>>51828274
Drop pods count as immobile and are auto hit.

>>51827799
To be fair, the Basilisks have a much more realistic range than most weapons in the game. It's just that the standard board size confines them to just-below minimum range.

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Which knight should I take as an Oathsworn?

>>51828049
Hey buddy, your "arbitrary rulings" are SHIT.

When you have a situation where a bunch of super soldiers can reliably snipe a man through a window from across a battlefield but become comically inept in close combat with a weaker/incapacitated foe because having weapon skill isn't what it's cracked up to be then it breaks my suspension of disbelief.

Is a Valkerie a valid delivery system for Heavy Weapons Teams? It seems like it would be a good way to plop down some heavy firepower.

>>51827982
The close combat table in 7E is retarded, unintuitive garbage.

>>51828318
Also, assume they have Mark of the Omnissiah, so add IWND 5+ and 30pts.

>>51828322
>Doesn't come in turn 1
>The team won't be ready to fire until turn 3 at minimum

Why

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>>51828274
>>51828207
>>51828238
>>51827976
FOUND IT!

>>51828388
Immobilized and stationary aren't the same thing.

>>51828335
How is it that different from previous edition? Fearless is better now...

Are CSM Chosen all with melta in a drop pod worth it? Or should i just infiltrate them with Alpha Legion.

>>51826111

Hey GGA, GKBro here. What kind of army do you want me to bring?

Also, who else said they'd be coming along? Titanguy? Nurgleguy? Nidbro? Ray?

>>51828405
I wasn't picking a side. I just wanted to end the argument by looking it up.

>>51828322
Just buy a Vendetta.

>>51828281
>have a game against female opponent
>sees that I have pin-up minis
If I'm physically attractive would the chances not be better I wind up getting laid after said game?

>>51827471
CRAB PEOPLE

>>51828413
>drop pod

>>51827839
But is my color scheme alright? I'm just unsure about the hair and claws.

>>51828413
>Are CSM Chosen all with melta in a drop pod worth it?

Yes, very worth it, Havoks would be better! too bad CSM can't take drop pods.

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>>51828089

I don't regret getting my Vostroyan lads.
The higher price is a good trade off for having a unique army.
and better looking than plastic Cadians, if you ask me.

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>>51828480
dreadclaw drop pod

>>51828512
are they in resin or metal?

>>51828519
Then no, it's overpriced and so are the Chosen.

May as well take Deathguard havoks with Autocannons.

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I spent the entire day watching star trek and clipping all the bits from my extra sprues

What did you do today?

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Anyone here an Airbrush fag? I've had mine for a year and i've had some pretty mixed results. Is it me or are some colors from the citadel range easier to use with an airbrush? For example nurgle green never works for me but Greys and Oranges work just fine. wat do?

>>51828519
Soon to be available to non-Chaos Spaz marines.

>>51828525

Metal. I wouldn't be collecting them if they were in failcast.

>>51828463
As compared to what?
Not bringing little plastic titties to a game with a stranger?

I certainly don't think think they'd impress her.

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This is my first attempt at a competative list.

Ynnari.

Archon is a delivery for deep-striking D-Scythe Wraithguard, Wraithblades go in a raider, Fire Dragons in the Venom.

Any good?

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>>51827006
I'd recommend Firestorm Over Kaurava, it's got a few problems though.

-Basilisks are OP as fuck but you need a relic to build them. Choosing Armored Doctrine from your HQ will give you a high vehicle cap so you can build a bunch. Support your guys by easily destroying enemy troops/vehicles, not only do the shells rip morale apart but they also deal out lots of damage and have high knockback. Even if you're not fighting head-on you can still use indirect fire in the Fog of War to harass your opponent's outposts or base because of the very long range.

-The Baneblade doesn't take up vehicle cap at all for some reason, even though the Land Raider takes up 3. Because of this you can mass other strong vehicles and then add CREEEEEEDmobile to the rape-pile.

-Tau are beyond annoying. Their ground troops aren't so bad because they have low morale and are rather squishy but the fucking Broadside Suits and Hammerhead Gunships will make you want to tear your skin off. They rarely miss, hit stupidly hard, and have a range almost on par the with a Basilisk. Oh yeah and guess what? No relic needed.

-Necrons also aren't so bad, Arcs and Barges are strong but not OP, but they get to deepstrike MONOLITHS and can have at max three at a time. Want to wipe some poor fuck off the map? All you have to do is lead your ground forces into his base and throw those monsters in there, then watch the slaughter. Queue another one up after they're all out (It will finish building but won't deploy because of the cap) so if he somehow manages to kill one give him the middle finger, warp the replacement right on top of his face, and tell him to do it again. Repeat until his base is a smoking crater.

-Make a couple of Devastator Marines and outfit them with Lascannons. They will absolutely tear any vehicle and building apart with BEAM SPAM. Also for some reason the Chaos Lascannons make a very strange REEEEEEEEEEEE sound whenever they fire.

-Airstrikes are pretty weak for their cost.

>>51828512
Damn sexy army anon.

>>51828261
the axe is shit on a prince lad. rage is basically irrelevant, and the axe makes it easier for HQs to hit you, and you're already pretty high strength anyway. the mace is the best artifact weapon for literally any DP from the vanilla csm codex. you don't *have* to take a daemon weapon on princes anyway, having 6 S6 AP2 attacks at I8 on the charge is already pretty badass.

>>51828512
>buying legit FW IG troops and not recasts at less than half the cost
ISHYGDDT

>>51828519
no, that pod is pure shit ruleswise (no guidance system, enjoy your mishap) and cost 3 times as much as a loyalist pod.

if we had a loyalist pod, then melta chosen in that would be dope.

>>51828554

I went to the store hoping for a pickup game, after I left a message on the store page this morning.
Ended up chatting to the store manager and watching a Ravenwing player get absolutely shredded.

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Anon from yesterday who had a game today against a girl.

She never showed up.

>>51828519
Does this thing walk around? I'm confused just looking at it

>>51828618
>nobody buys FW stuff
>they stop making it and rules for it
>your bootleg army gets squatted

self kukt

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>>51828315
They don't. If we assume the Chimera chassis has a length of roughly 5" (I don't have mine on me) and that it is equivalent in size to real life superheavy artillery tanks (giving it an upscaled length of about 26') then its cannon's effective range is about a quarter of a mile. That is absolutely pathetic for a cannon as fuckhuge as the Basilisk's - in fact it's about a tenth of the effective range of the M1A1 Abrams' 120mm cannon.

Scaling in 40k is fucked beyond belief, though, so it's hardly a surprise.

>>51828635
It's meant for spaceship boarding and can fly around under its own power.

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>>51828630
There there anon. She was probably a whore in it for the "nerd cred" anyway.

>>51828597

You don't have 2 troops so your Reborn Warhost is illegal.

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>>51828630
Sorry to hear anon.

>>51828409
Once upon a time the close combat to hit table was the same as every other opposed roll in the game.

>>51828662
Fuck didn't realise black guardian windriders weren't troops.

Replace for regular Windriders then.

>>51828666
THE SLAANESH TRIPS HAVE SPOKEN TO ME FOR THE SECOND TIME TODAY. ITS OFFICIAL, IM STARTING A SLAANESH ARMY FOR AOS!!!!

>>51828683
And 40k too I guess

>>51828683
>Slaanesh
>AoS

ive got some bad news for you bub

>>51828635
it flies around. as in, it can drop like a drop pod, but then move around like a flying rhino.

the problem is 1) 100 fucking points, 2) no guidance system, so enjoy mishapping when you try to DS your melta vets, I'm sorry, chosen 3) takes a FS slot, 4) the advantages it does have like the melta attack, additional turns of transporting, etc. are all superfluous bullshit

>>51828674

I'm offering competitive advice here so please don't think I'm trying to be rude.

-Drop the Wraith Blades - they're not effective.

-Drop the Vaul's Wrath - they're good but not in your list, your list is fast and flighty and they don't fit.

I'd consider with your points saving swapping your Farseer and 2 bike units into an Eldar CAD for two fast ObSec choices. I'd pick up a 2nd farseer as well for that CAD. And then I'd add an Autarch in your Reborn Warhost to make sure your Archon bomb comes in on time.

>>51828705
Yeah, I know about the whole missing thing. They still have some killer rules though.

>>51828715
You forgot the most pressing issue which is that it can fucking EAT the shit you stuff into it, even Helbrutes. It's shit.

>>51828625
Even when it can fly over stuff burn anything it passes over? If I didn't use it, should I just have chosen as suicide infiltrators? Or should I make them outflank?

>>51828648
Yea. No shit. But that's STILL much more realistic than most guns in the game. Which is what I said.

And what do you want, anon? Troops with bases the size of pennies? Board tables the length of a swimming pool? Perhaps you could play cities of death where ranges don't really matter. Or you could go play Wargame: RD. But if your looking for a realistically scaled wargame set later than 1850 in anything other than city combat I'm afraid I can't help you.

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So I was looking through an old issue of White Dwarf and I saw this ad. What ever happened to this "limited edition" throne. I have never seen the model before.

>>51828595
I never got pinups other than KD for D&D. I used to fuck a girl I met through a campaign and she thought it was hot. It's stupid I know. Its not to draw attention either.

>>51828736
If you stick a sorcerer with malefic or a warpsmith that's not an issue

>>51828745
looks like a recast of the dead throne terminator from Space Hulk

>>51828742
No, my point is that a 240'-range artillery piece isn't any more realistic than a 24'-range battle rifle.

I'm not looking for realism in 40k by any means, just trying to say it's all equally shit..
>the only accurately-ranged weapon is the Deathstrike

>>51828769
Still won't save a Hellbrute

>>51828769
why would you do that

>>51828715
Doesn't take up slots if used as dedicated transport, which chosen can do

Should I use black or white primer on my slaanesh daemons?

>>51828611
Yeah, you're right. I just really liked the thought of the axe giving so many attacks and guaranteeing that the DP could also pen/glance any vehicle to death as well.

Though, most HQs are WS5+, at least when it comes to SM, so there's no difference between 8 or 9 there, but regarding regular WS4 or less dudes, WS9 does make a difference.

>>51828769
>adding a Sorcerer or Warpsmith to a Helbrute
Illegal
>adding a Sorcerer or Warpsmith to a suicide melta squad
retarded

>>51828658
??????

>>51828815
Better to pay 18 points for an extra dude

>>51828798
Warpsmith is pretty cheap and has a melta gun, sorcerer or warpsmith could take "The Mindveil" to try to rush the chosen

>>51825918
"Any units from a Detachment or Formation presented in this book that can select Gifts of Gork and Mork can select an item from Orkimedes’ Kustom Gubbinz, presented opposite, at the points costs shown, in addition to the Gifts of Gork and Mork from Codex: Orks"

does that mean my warboss can take a big boss pole AND a lucky stick?

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>>51828833
>Warpsmith is pretty cheap

How many points is it in YOUR codex?

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How is my World Eater army?

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>>51828863
>Possessed

>>51828854
No, because a model can't every have more than one relic unless Tau bullshit. It just means he can take his relic from either of those two lists rather than being locked into picking from just one.

>>51828854
No. It means you can choose one from either list, and you aren't restricted to a single list for your entire army.

>>51828347
Why would they have mark in an Oathsworn detachment, when Oathsworn can't take relics?

>>51828897
>>51828892
like i guessed.

orks never get to have any fun.

>>51828630
Her black boyfriend probably came over unannounced and fucked her silly so she had to spend the day icing her vagina and hoping she doesn't end up a single mom.

>>51826669
i work on tracked apcs the rhino is based on, the cut out picture showing the rhinos engine and parts hurts me internally

>>51828925
>>>/r9k/

>>51828932
What's wrong with it? Do you have the pic? I'm interested.

>>51828903
Hmm, missed that rule, I'm retarded.

Anyway it's a moot question because I looked at prices and motherfuck a 188 pound price tag, never even mind the Pophyrion.

>>51828961
So for the plastic GW knights, If you're only gonna take one the standard advice is to take a crusader with a top rocker. But I know what you want anon, take a single Gallant and put the fear of the Emperor into the foe. Imperator Vult.

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>>51828961
>yfw legit Titans begin only like 20 bongbucks more than Cerastus Knights
>yfw the Porphyrion is literally almost as expensive as a Warhound
>mfw it's better on the table
>mfw people actually buy these Knights

>>51827284
Metalica Bro
>manipulator claw bump

>>51828861
Eh, I'd agree with him and say that it's pretty decently (though not ideally) priced for what you get. a model that has both a Flamer and a Meltagun and can repair vehicles or curse enemy ones is a pretty solid asset if you're using any significant amount of vehicles.

Then again, I also play at least five vehicles per game, often including a Defiler (fuck you, they're cool and I like them), so my experience may be different from yours.

Is there even any point to taking the lost and the damned formation without using poxwalker hive/zombies? I'm using AL so the cultists could infiltrate if I took it.

>>51829106
The point of comparison I would use is a standard Techmarine

>>51829106
Loyalists get the same thing but with a TL plasma pistols and servo-fist for half the cost.

>>51829106
>Defiler (fuck you, they're cool and I like them)
Fuck, you've reminded me of the sad Defiler I've had sitting on my desk for almost three years now. I bought it because it was cool in DoW, but the poor little guy never performed well on the table so I had to drop him. I don't even play CSM anymore but it's impossible to get rid of because anyone who knows about Chaos worth a damn avoids them like the plague.

What's the best Chinamen?

>>51829005
But how am I supposed to be shooty with a Gallant?

I was going to follow the standard advice because Crusader seems like the most fun to play. That said, a Crusader can't bean the other guy's Tyranid Prime with a failed DISTRACTION CARNIFEX

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>>51829143
I've always had a soft spot for Cao Cao.

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>>51829199
He's good.

>find a game at my local
>opponent tells me it's a "casual" list
>he puts a naut and a bunch of nobs on the table
>I scoop up my nine riptide bases into a bucket and leave without saying a word

Fucking waac fags

>>51829199
>>51829143
I meant for minis.

>>51829271
Jesus. When are nobz getting a fucking nerf?

>>51828830

I didn't realize i could buy an extra Hellbrute for 18pts that also rides in the dreadclaw

>>51829284
They should be I1

>>51829271
Some waac-fag the other day asked me to a game and started pulling out Dark Eldar raiders.

Fucking waac fags