Age of Sigmar General /aosg/

Hi there, I'm considering picking up AoS after a long holiday away from wargaming in general. I've read over the rulebook and some of the army books and it seems very, very simple. So with that in mind are there any tactics or tricks anyone might know? I have the feeling it's what isn't written is what you can use in a match.

Also, is there a tier list yet? Or perhaps more importantly, a points system as of yet? Google throws up the facebook, but there's nothing showing point values as of yet.

>>51816743
The general handbook has a point system. For your tier list please join /40kg/.

>>51816743
Yes read the general's handbook

>>51816743
>point system
General's handbook can be found in the OP. Also, the army builder has the points as well and is also in the OP.

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>>51816743

Hello young one, I shall be your spoon feeder.

>So with that in mind are there any tactics or tricks anyone might know?

Just play games until you have a feel for it, watch battle reports on youtube, watch warhammer live streams on a Wednesday

>Also, is there a tier list yet?

Irrelevant, play with what looks coolest. If you are determined to see a tier list so you can pick the most powerful army, just play 40k, it might be more up your street.

>Or perhaps more importantly, a points system as of yet?

Generals handbook, it's in the storage parts of the pastebin

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>>51816770
>>51816768

What they said, too.

>>51816743
Do you really need anything spoonfed to you? Do you stroll into the D&D threads like:

>So I like dungeons, and I like dragons. What is better a Rogue or a Death Knight?

>>51816784
You could look at the tournament winning armies section

>>51816784
>>51816782
>>51816770
>>51816768
Ah, I see now. Thanks for explaining that! I'm more general curious about tiers so I can show my friends a list so they can get a sense of balance to the game. Ideally everyone is the same, but considering GW stuff in general, that's a hard pill to swallow. The last we heard was that in fantasy, demons wrecked everything and in 40k it was necrons. I'm unsure if that's relevant now.

What seems to be the most popular armies you've all seen then? The game is still very young, but I love musing over and seeing all that stuff.

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>>51816805
trees

>>51816805
Not dictating on how your group should approach things but starting with: what's strong/popular seems like the wrong approach to me.

>>51816805
You can win and/or cheese with all 4 grand alliances.

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Caught the "comedian" guy at my LGS, who memes "age of shitmar" endelssly, buying a large amount of Sylvaneth at the Games Workshop in town as I was picking up my Direct Orders.

>Being prepared to pay 15% more just to avoid the embarrassment of being seen buying AOS

We're winning them over, lads.

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Been working on my Knight-Questor for Hinterlands. Haven't really decided on a name or a backstory yet. All i know that said Knight-Questor and a trio of Vanguard-Hunters are traveling the realm of beasts in search of something.

Also, this is the first model using round bases for my Radiant Gallants, so I hope whoever kept bitching about square bases is happy now.

>>51816818
I know. If anything it's to avoid races that are strong and popular. I personally like to try things that are different.

>>51816819
That's good to hear. So is there a very real sense of balance to that game? That's great!

>>51816834
That came out so much better then i thought it was gunna, job done mate

>>51816836
Between the strongest sub faction of each alliance kinda : TK / SE - Sylvaneth / Skryre - Nurgle / beastriders - gobs.
I've also seen great success with some original lists (deathlord - wright). Some factions are definitely subpar and it will be hard to pull it off (Dwarf / Brets for example).

>>51816828
>tfw I was won over recently

shit, thought I'd escaped tabletop gaming for good

Does Skaven have a battletome or are they part of another battletome?

>>51816946
Pestilens has a battletome; the rest doesn't have anything yet.

>>51816946
All non legacy Skaven are in the Chaos tome. Though Pestilens has it's own book as the only clan to receive any attention (Because best clan)

>>51816955
Is that the Everchosen tome?

i have this 1500 point start list and i have 2 ways to finish it. not sure what is better when you have random scenarios from the GH

frostlord on stonehorn 460
3x3 bulls 360
20 gnoblars 100
1 butcher 140

now i can either add 6 ironguts ooor 6 bulls and 40 gnoblars. i was wondering if 6 ironguts would leave me to low on models.

other option is to remove the butcher and add a tyrant plus 3 bulls and 60 fucking gnoblars(i could use my 120 painted gnoblars from hordehammer for a change) this would make 2 units of 40 gnoblars i can use bully on to make them unbreakable. which would give me 2 giant ass meat shields.

Does anyone know a way to play online? Me and my friends used to use Vassal back in the day.

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>>51816963

>>51816963
Just check the app, there are only a few battallions in that book.

>>51816989
>>51816963
No, the Everchosen tome is the Everchosen tome. You're looking for Grand Alliance: Chaos.

Alright fa\tg\uys its time to make your predictions

Whats gonna happen in the send ed of sigmar?

Do you think GW is going to restore the old world mid/low western fantasy?

Will free people get any love and attention?

Will death get raised from the dead? Or are they going to turn to dust.

How many more stormcast are we gonna get before destruction gets some love?

>>51817048
About 4 or 5. Then about 5 more before a death battletome.

>>51816955
Skyre is best clan.

Pestilens is just wannabe Nurgle.

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>tfw only 1 death battletome

>It's for fucking ghouls

>>51816828
This mess is like 40k's third edition. Give it time lads. Next step is crushing the ninth-age faggits.
Then 40k (WE WILL BE THE BEST GAME IN GAMES WORKSHOP!)

And lastly, we will do what the beatles couldn't: we will be more popular than jesus.

>>51817048
>Whats gonna happen in the send ed of sigmar?
What?

>Do you think GW is going to restore the old world mid/low western fantasy?
Hahahaha, you're funny guy, anon.

>Will free people get any love and attention?
Probably a little while down the road.

>Will death get raised from the dead? Or are they going to turn to dust.
I have no idea where they'd even take Death from here. Most of the possible angles are either already taken by another faction, are boring or make no sense.

>How many more stormcast are we gonna get before destruction gets some love?
We had Beastclaw Raiders, Bonesplitterz and (I think) Ironjawz since the last SC battletome, so why don't you stop bitching?

>>51817141
Fat fingered, i meant changes in the second edition.

Yeah but since then how many stromcast toys have we gotten?

>>51817127
>It's for fucking ghouls
It also has far and away the best lore, presents a unique and interesting playstlye and does greatly improve a one-note sub-faction into an actual army.

>>51817127

Flesh Eater Courts is objectively great.

It's a shame Death doesn't have more Battletomes but FEC is awesome.

>>51817154
I think still through the biggest issue death has right now is the army was designed around summoning. Problem with that is, summoning was designed around the idea that there would be no points, which no matter how much of an AoS fan you are, GW thinking that they could just drop this game with no points and have everything be ok was a good idea, is really a bad one.

So you have an army whos main gimic is to summon, which go nerfed hardcore and nerfed them.

Hell one of their artifacts they cant even take unless they want to pay double for the model thats taking it.

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>>51817163
>>51817154
I like death for it's magic and summoning though which the ghouls don't really have much of

>>51817173
Sure, but Seraphon get around that despite also being a summoning army, as do Tomb Kings and Flesheater Courts.
But I overall hold that reinforcement points, while needed, were a clumsy solution.

>>51817208
True, but tombkings are kinda a moot point to bring up since you know, they got shit canned which im waiting for them to back pedal on that one.

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The new concept art for AoS cities looks exactly like the Empire cities of the Old World, only cooler. One more thing to humiliate the grognards with.

>>51817227
They wouldn't bring them back in the lore if they had no intention to bring them back to the tabletop.

>>51817239
Keep clinging to that hope.
There's been tons of shit with way more mention than the one blurb of TK, but none of that has any chance of becoming a faction, either.

would I be utter scum if I were to go with Stormcasts?

I've never been 'that' Ultramarines guy back in 40K, and ever since I saw Stormcasts back at launch I thought they just looked as dumb and generic, but I did used to play Black Templars for that sick Crusading aesthetic, and now every time I look at Stormcasts I just think about giving them some kind of holy order paint scheme.

As a 40k player who finds it increasingly plausible that 40k will have it's own 'Age of Sigmar', I have some questions for you guys:

How prevalent are the 'comedy' rules which require you to do socially awkward stuff for a mechanical advantage? How bad are they?

Now that there's a points system, what is the AoS balance actually like? Usual GW shit or actually reasonable? Am I likely to be auto-losing with orks forever or is there hope?

How often are the points costs revised? Are they all done at once by the same people or are they done on a per-army basis like the traditional Army Book / Codex system? I don't really know how points work for AoS... I get the impression there's something called the General's Handbook which has all the points in and then your army book just has the rules? Is that close to how it is? What about models which weren't around when the last General's Handbook was written?

>>51817227
If they didn't sell then they probably won't sell now.

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Friend of mine is building a dwarven airship, I made some custom rules for it. Anyone want to give it a review?

>>51817321
Eh moot point again, because the whole rebranding of fantasy was because nothing was selling.

Besides tombkings were the only non kitbashed way to get range for death.

Its kind of ironic, the faction they squated was the one that death needed the most to make them viable.

>>51817318
I asked earlier on.

You can check the general handbook at the top of the thread, I've yet to have a look myself, so I'm unsure how well the points are balanced.

I've been told that there's good balance between the factions, but some like the Brets and dwarves have it a bit harder than others.

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>>51817311

Join the club

>>51817150
Way more than Death

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>>51817318
- They don't exist outside of legacy armies and even then they are invariably ignored.

- Fairly reasonable balance. Far from perfect, but the yearly rebalance should blunt the worst offenders rapidly.

- The General's Handbook with all point cost (bar the Forgeworld shit) is supposed to be redone yearly. We've seen some stuff from GBH 2.0 and it hints of fairly significant and needed changes.

- The newer Battletomes (think Codices) contain all the points for that faction, as well, so no unit is without cost.

>>51817318
From what i have heard from a good source, GW is going to AoS 40k...sorta, they are going to have 2 ways to play a watered down AoS version, and a more rules intensive version which i heard is going to be 30k ish.

As for the socially awkward stuff, thats removed, they dont actually exist in point play anymore.

Balance is pretty skewed right now between order and chaos, namely stormcast right now.

I dont think anyone can answer the 3rd since there has not been a point revise yet.

>>51817318
The comedic rules have mostly vanished. Even when some stays nobody expect you to follow them to get the buff. At least where I play.

>>51817294
I'm waiting for you to substantiate your claim.

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>>51816743
>any tactics or tricks anyone might know?
I haven't played yet but from what accounts I have recollected the most important things of such nature are listed here
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/02/14/tactical-toolbox-charging/

>>51817232
I don't see much difference desu

>>51817048
>Do you think GW is going to restore the old world mid/low western fantasy
I think GW is going to do this. Screencap.

>>51817393
They're now multilayered and labyrinthine, like a low tech level Hive.

>>51817322
- Woah Darling, Hold On! and Broadside Barrage with their directional limitations don't fit AoS.
- Without knowing the model, I'd think it'd be fairly substantial, considering all the shit it needs to house, so 15 wounds seem low-ish.
- If you want the regen, make them forgo all shooting with the organ gun.
- Why does the Long Rifle fire like a gattling gun? And Damage 2? Seriously?

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>>51817435
I don't remember them being much more ordered; on a smaller scale if anything.

dumping related art for human cities since I'm at it.

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>>51817491
What I've found of distinctive in the cities of age of sigmar is how they end up with a lot of arcs and domes over towers and spires, at least on the upper, richer levels, kinda reminded me of ravnica going to post art about those later

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>>51817522

>>51817491
That's Fighting Fantasy, not Warhammer.

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>>51817554
the setting seems warhammer or there's a reason for that skaven symbol down there to be that I'm missing

>>51817533
Is this an AoS piece?

>>51817607
The book that this illustration comes from predates the concept of Skaven by over ten years.

>>51817607
>>51817577
>>51817393
Are these Adrian Smith pieces? I'm asking myself just how much creativity can one man have.

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>>51817615
Appers the first time in the 8th edition of warhammer fantasy, you can notice karl franz with ghal maraz on deathclaw; then reappeared in the book for the grand alliance of order, it's debatable whether it was done with AoS in mind or just with the same key thematics and aesthetics, the artist, kevin chin always depicts in those terms so it's difficult to say.

>>51817669
neat and strange info

>>51817688
the first and pic related are from dave gallagher if I read the faces correctly, the other 2 don't seem from smith to me, perhaps they are dainton's or that other artist I never remember the name that still does AoS pics

>>51817758
Dave Gallagher actually seems to be the one in charge of designing AoS cities now.

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>>51817758
now, for the AoS part of the dump here's starting with the artist I don't remember

I don't remember carnac doing the dump of the new art this time, so here's a few relevant new pieces

>>51817758
>>51817607
>>51817577
>>51817577

I'd say it was probably more stressful being a citizen inside the city walls of one of these places than a farm bordering a Beastman wood.

Every five minutes one of these clockwork magical nightmares screams past your house along with 2000 crazed followers

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>>51817792

I always saw this picture as those Khorne guys saying

>This is fucking brilliant, they're coming to us!

>>51817048
>Whats gonna happen in the send ed of sigmar?
Probably not much.

>Do you think GW is going to restore the old world mid/low western fantasy?
Highly unlikely.

>Will free people get any love and attention?
Eventually, sure.

>Will death get raised from the dead? Or are they going to turn to dust.
I'm betting Deathrattle will be the next battletome. I'd prefer Soulblight, but Deathrattle require less work, such as having almost a full range of models.

>How many more stormcast are we gonna get before destruction gets some love?
I think Stormcast may actually take a break. The new battletome format seems to be what GW wants to settle on, and now that it's out (along with most angles one can take on Stormcast mechanically), Stormcast may be taking a back seat as far as releases go.

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>>51817828
gryphs>dracoths
knighly orders>stormcasts

>>51817471
>- Woah Darling, Hold On! and Broadside Barrage with their directional limitations don't fit AoS.

I don't see why I wouldn't be possible to use it like this.

>- Without knowing the model, I'd think it'd be fairly substantial, considering all the shit it needs to house, so 15 wounds seem low-ish.
It's hull is expanded upon the Dark Eldar Reaver ship, so it's a tad bigger than that. Not overly big too, it's the balloon that's biggest.

>- If you want the regen, make them forgo all shooting with the organ gun.
Well it's a chance with a random dice roll, it does limit the fire-power of the ship. But I'll keep this open.

>- Why does the Long Rifle fire like a gattling gun? And Damage 2? Seriously?
Mixed the rules of the steam gun with the long rifle. But yeah, it seems fairly strong, I'll keep this one in mind as well.

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>>51817839

what's a good model to convert into a Herald of Nurgle.

I don't wanna do it with the Lord of Nurgle. I would use the Lord on the Glottkin, but I cant find him by himself.

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>>51817858
here's the style of dome and arcs I was talking about some posts ago, which may fit well for a non-ruins kit of scenery pieces

>>51817806
it's like living in Disneyland, except with skeletons instead of Mickey Mouse

>>51817839
I honestly prefer the dracoth's because some of the demigryph poses are retarded and make them look like Tom chasing Jerry

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>>51817875
here's a crazy idea: cairn wraith, arthropod limbs from wathever bitsbox you have for feet and 2 other skulls to evoke the aspect of "decay" of nurgle rather than the now common "bountiful pustules"

Palladors with lances or axes?

lances = more distance and rend
bolter and axe = more attacks overall

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>>51817916
I love the clean lines of this artist

>>51817916
not a bad idea.

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>>51817933

>>51817322
Long rifle should go to d3 attacks after its first wound stage. This should also have behemoth and artillery keywords.

>>51817393

>Colleges of Magic
>2217

How was this published? Truly 7th was the worst edition.

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>>51817942
last image of the dump

>>51817533
Is that that a giant trash dove or whatever they call it rocking in the background on the left side?

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>>51817974
Tzeentchian birbs know no bound in time or social media.

found a larger pic

there's no way to run 6 magmadroths in matched play at 2k right? Ben Curry mentioned it on Baddice

>>51818240
No, max of 4 behemoths in 2000 points

>>51817946
Yes, I also felt like that for the long rifle. Also, the Behemoth and Artillery keywords are already chosen but these keywords don't go on the warscrolls.

How strict are people on wysisyg considering command items like banners and musicians? I know the FAQ ruled that the models still keep their weapons, but visually in a unit of 5 if three of them have special things going on (banner, icon, horn) then that leaves only two with weapons which looks kind of silly

if a model with a banner also keeps their weapons, could a model with weapons also keep their banner?

>>51818741
I'm going to want that model to unambiguously be a banner bearer, and also be the only model that could be the banner bearer in the unit. I don't care how that's modelled, but that's what would make me happy.

>>51818741
Command groups need to be modelled as such. Since they no longer cost points I expect people to at least make the effort to model their command group.

Only a retard would disallow normal attacks by your command miniatures, since nowhere in the rules is it stated that they don't have a weapon or something like that.

Long story short, unit options needs to be modelled, otherwise just follow the rules as stated on the warscroll.

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>>51817533
>eating nurgle flesh
someone should tell him not to allow his pet to do that.

>>51818773
>and also be the only model that could be the banner bearer in the unit.
>Models in this unit may be Icon Bearers.
Icon Bearers bear either a Damned Icon or
a Tribal Banner.
>models
technically they could all have banners

>>51818816
in a unit of 5 it really just feels silly though to have 3 of them not holding their weapons. What if the banners were modeled strapped to their back rather than in their hands?

>>51818868
How does it look silly, the champion always has a swag weapon, the musician often still has a weapon if he's not a drummer and the banner beared could fight with his banner or stick it in the ground and draw his weapon. I mean, if you want to do a conversion go fit it but don't make this harder than it is... By the way what kind of unit are you running in groups of 5? Also remember, that just because they hold the item on the miniature doesnt mean that in real life they'd be holding it 24/7.

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who the fuck would come up with this default paint scheme?

>>51818917
>By the way what kind of unit are you running in groups of 5?
marauder horsemen with javelins

>>51818949
since the dawn of time, cavalry have been used in groups of 5 with full command and nobody has ever been in doubt of their combat effectiveness. If you feel really bad, just glue an axe to their saddle or some shit.

>>51818946
The same guys who thought GOLD was the best one for the SCE as well. Ironjaws in muted metals and browns looks great. Give the green skin some nice colour to make it pop and it looks great.

>>51818946
Well to be fair, there weren't that many colours left for them to use. They wanted to make them stand out from all the other armies is my guess, and that yellow certainly makes them distinctive.

>>51817828
>Black stormcast

Have they gone too far?

>>51818946
The same autistic retards who would play AoS

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Here is a picture of a brute I finished yesterday for my ironjawz.

>>51819009
well if you say so

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>>51819116
Picture of my gordrakk with basing. I got shit lighting so no great pictures.

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>>51819150
Better picture with full model. Excuse the potato quality of the older one.

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Hey, I'm just wondering how well this would be able to compete against an SCE army, and a nurgle army.
Also not sure if I should take a price or an exalted chariot.

>>51819257
>slow melee army

>>51818868
The obvious extension then being that every model that is a banner or icon bearer needs to be obviously that and only that, genius.

>>51819319
They all move like 12" a turn at the Peru least. If anything, they're fast.

>>51819319
Daemonettes can run and charge which is 6"+d6. Keeper moves 14" Masque moves 10". Daemon Prince moves 12". What about this army is slow?

>>51819338
>peru least
daemonettes have a base move of only 6" and while they can run and charge in the same turn they still isn't super fast

the seekers on the other hand move 14" and roll two dice to run and can run and charge in the same turn

>>51817318
It's a hell of a lot more balanced than 40k. Some factions and combos are pretty powerful, but smart players can counter them even with less competitive factions.

The important thing is GW plans on releasing a new GHB every year with all the points for everything updated and adjusted at once. The adjustments are done based on community and tournament feedback.

Now try telling me 40k doesn't need something like that

>>51819416
Seekers also have less attacks and less benefits from more models. Daemonettes get bonuses in larger groups, but seekers don't. In a larger army, I could see seekers playing a role, but at 1000k, this army is fine. Also Battleline.

>>51817322
Try spelling Grungni properly first.

>>51819454
Thanks. But prince or exalted chariot?

>>51819454
such is the price of "slightly faster than your average footslogger" versus "sanic fast"

>>51819523
I can't tell if you're actually retarded anon. Seriously, have you ever played these? They'll out maneuver you if you're not EXTRA careful.

>>51819566
>/tg/
>actually playing games

>>51819523
You realize they're still better than basic khorne or nurgle daemons, right?

>>51819504
My personal list for Slaanesh for 2k was Exalted Chariot with herald, Keeper, a bunch of Daemonettes (I'm also partial to Daemonettes) with other chariots like regular seeker and exalted seeker chariots.

I like the idea of the Prince, but I'd end up waiting to see what the prince may end up getting in the future such as traits and allegiance abilities (implying that Slaanesh gets this). But I could see the prince being able to take out a support structure to remove buffs. I can see it like this. Prince charges a support hero that imbeds himself in a group. Prince charges hero and draws in his guards. The Hero guards are getting buffed by the hero due to his aura, but now the prince beign able activate first always will allow him to kill the hero to remove buffs from the hero.

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>>51819655
I just like my prince since I customized it with a snake body

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Let's try this again. Trying to get into Sylvaneth, planned a 2k point army. Haven't decided on spells/artefacts yet, but any tree people players got any feedback at this point?

Is there any news on the next Orruk release? I love the Ironjawz but the fact that they have so few models/units is depressing. I'd put Arrer boyz in but they don't sell them anymore.

>>51819754
Then by all means! Go for it. I'm sure it looks baller.

>>51820052
So you think the first list I posted could throw some SCE in the mud?

>>51820031
I'm hoping we get a Orruk book like stormcast and tzeentch. Combine all of the orruks in there. Give us traits and artefacts based on keywords and allow us to run combined forces. I have 3k of Ironjawz yet no reason to field it. A bunch of angry orruks running across the field is cool as hell, but with no ranged support, I can never soften the blow. I thought about going general destruction and Taking a Kunnin Rukk with my battleline savage orruks in there to give me something. Then take support models as needed, like a shaman or a banner.

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>>51817321
considering how much we are talking about them, and how they are still present in spite of having been squatted, unlike brets, and last but not least, how hilariously pricey they can get on ebay, i think they would sell superbly if they get rereleased
Settra rule bitch

>>51820080
Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the list you fight. Objective game, you should be covered. Against retributor spam or the new raptor spam? Maybe might have some trouble due to 30" range of bullshit of -2 2 damage that you can't negate, but that's your opponent trying to get WAAC as possible. With Stormcasts actually seeing some balance in not being allowed to deepstrike 3" away from you at any point, you're armies may get the chance to charge. Against liberators, I think you'll overwhelm them. 5+ saves versus most of your attacks and the keeper of secrets allowing Daemonettes to pull the witch aelf move of double pile in is surely something to use.

>>51820100
>Combine all of the orruks in there
I don't see that happening. It's clear GW wants to keep all the little factions separate. Gone are the days of the old army books.

But I agree something needs to be done about the allegiance benefits. I would like to see them either loosen up and give more standard battleline options (like just make brutes battlelines standard), or make it so some battlelines become available when a certain model is a general (make brutes battleline when a megaboss is your general, or something).

A lot of people are in your boat, they just want to add a giant to their ironjaws force or something, and they can't without taking grots or some shit that messes with the theme.

>>51819445
The adjustments are done with one day worth of games and whiny faggots on reddit.

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>>51817533
looks like falconia from berserk

>>51820223
Oh god not this shit again.

Everyone, ignore this faggot. He shat up a previous thread pretty hard with his retardation. Don't engage him.

>>51820223
You asked how it was, and we answered. If you already had your mind made up like that, just leave than you.

>>51820313
>>51820292
TRICKED!

>>51818868
one guys at my warhammer store circumvent this by putting on the base bits of music instrument, banners and weapons to represent each special equipment

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got this cheeky cunt on ebay today.
mfw he just gets up on his feet after being dead and slaps your heroes ass for 18 damage -2 rend

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>>51820329
Keep clever my dood

>>51818949
i encounter the same problem, i used the horn of the bloodreaver so one musician could bear spears
for the banners, i didn't use the ones in the box, but instead i glued paper-fanions on the handle, think of the banners of the rohirrims in the lord of the ring
i feel it fits them more than the huge standard

Who /waiting for a Slaanesh army/ here?

>>51820457
/Waiting for more Grots/

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>>51820457
tomb kings all days everydays

>>51819458
Well you don't have to be mean about it. Just a spelling mistake.

>>51820457
Waiting on the dark prince too. My army is >>51819257

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>>51820490
They're focusing on chaos right now senpai. Probably doing Nurgle then (hopefully) Horned Rat or Slaanesh

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>>51820551

>>51820625
This is my fantasy

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>>51817828
What the fuck is going on here?

>>51820752
Bird of Tzeentch corrupting Stormcasts

>>51820640
to have a gf? me too

>>51819081
do not disrespect jamavelin

>>51820752
notice how the stormcast in the first row has its faceplate colored almost like flesh, the stormcast and the bird noticed and are about to kill that poor excuse of a changeling

I am totally shocked what GW has done to WH Fantasy. This new travesty of a game is an utter trainwreck. I am really sad for people who put a lot of love and effort in their Old World armies.

And before you jump, troglodites, I have actually tried it. It was at best a very shallow gaming experience.
The battle was fought between a Night Goblin warband and a Warriors of Chaos (Nurgle) warband. The Chaos Warriors chose the Sudden Death victory condition Assassinate. While the combatants brawled in the inevitable and hideous AOS mosh pit (there is no rank & file in the mortal realms), the mounted Chaos Lord slew the Night Goblin Warboss with ease and this travesty of a battle finally ended.
Just imagine to move every single Night Goblin around without the help of a regimental base. That fact alone is enough to drive any person insane. Also measuring the threat distance of close combat weapons to determine, if a model is eligible for combat is diplomatically formulated quite a hassle.
AOS is suited for twelve-year olds, who can´t comprehend or appreciate a more complex ruleset

You should be ashamed for this insult to wargming you call game.

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>>51820752

>>51820752
Dumb action poses

>>51820909
I think it's fun

>>51820909
You have changed our minds. We now see the light.

Thank you, O prophet, for showing us the way. Truly you are objectively right.

>>51817688
THEY OBVIOUSLY AREN'T

>>51820928

Those are fucking bolt pistols

>>51820158
>considering how much we are talking about them, and how they are still present in spite of having been squatted

I chalk this up to two main things. The first is that, like bretonians, they were never blasted into a thousand three unit mini factions and were able to hang onto what is essentially a complete force with all the tools to deal with any opponent an great army wide synergies that pack a lot of punch. The second thing is that TK had some standout objectively under pointed powerful units. Point for point things like the tomb snake and buff combos of supporting units would outshine pretty much everything in the game.

Now that the TK got the points nerf bat to the face it remains to be seen how popular they will be moving forward, maybe some diehards who actually liked TK for the aesthetic and fluff will still play them but I suspect the majority were just riding the coattails of the FOTM hotness and will disappear onto whatever floats to the top of the new meta.

>>51820292
Not that guy but he has a point even if he is bad at explaining.

If you take the age of sigmar official community page at face value and disregard the various unconfirmed sources on the subject then all that we really have officially is that 5 guys spent one day reviewing all the player feedback and making all the balance changes and then the next day they played games to test those changes.

That is the objective reading of the official GW source material on the subject.

I'm not trying to start shit with anyone, but I did want to interject some facts into the debate (assuming there is some kind of debate).

>>51821146
Actually they're double crossbows, and even the vanguard are the size of terminators. Those are storm bolters. (get it? Storm?)

>>51821152
i hope not
just seeing settra in all its glory on the battlefield give me a boner
i really hope they will come back, though the death allegiance seems to have become the Sisters of Battle of age of sigmar

>>51821146
actually they're boltstorm pistols

>>51821401
>boner
Ha.

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Soooooo post ironic.

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Dark prince when?

>>51821658
Griff Oberwald is a beast on the pitch :^)

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>Had no money for minis so found a job
>Had enough money but no time to play
>Dropped the job because have to come back on uni
>Now have enough time to play and paint but have no money for paints right now
Welp, I'm scatty and I have to suffer

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Ben the Storm Bro, if you're out there... Lighten the fuck up man, its only a game.

>>51821670
Danke Prince! XD

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>>51816709
Just getting started and I just got the high elves side of the Spire of Dawn box and I just had a few question.

1. To expand my army do you think getting 10 Archers and a Chariot to get to 1000 pints or should I get 20 Archers ,White Lion Chariot and a Great Eagle to get to 1200.

2. What's the current tier list. I'm just wondering and last I herd tomb kings were still top.

3. Is there going to be any new high elves stuff any time soon.

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>>51819984
Plugging myself shamelessly in hopes of getting a tree player's comments.

>>51817048

One of the gates will lead to the dormant chaos gate in the empire of an alternate universe old world, Archaon will go through and kill/absorb his other self, Sigmar will come down with his stormcast and rule the empire from the realm of Azyr through his regent Karl franz.

Something something if order wins here it undos everything archaon did before, if chaos wins it makes it permanent

>>51822361
- Nobody plays 1200.

- What's with you people and your desire for shitty tier lists?

- Maybe. Aelves have been rumored to get an update soon, but we don't know any details.

>>51817311

Stormcast are fun to play and nobody who actually plays them game hates the people who own them.

>>51822426
It's a bog-standard Sylvaneth list. What do you want us to say?

>>51819445
Does counter mean they can build an all comers list that can work against all other list,or at least most, or is it the case having to have to own a separate army for specific builds of other armies?

Also how good are the old factions. I don't realy like the way the new stuff looks like, but I do like how empire models look like. Or to be specific the non crazy stuff. I would like to play an army with cannons and formations of hand guns and spearman with some light cavalery just like in the XVI century.

And my last question are there dragoon style units in AoS? Stuff that moves fast, but then can disembark or dismount and fight like normal infantry.

>>51822565
Barring some outliers many sensibly built armies can either counter a powerbuild or can play around them in some way.
The two actual legacy factions, Bretonnia and and Tomb Kings are both pretty powerful, especially TK. The other 'old factions' are so numerous that it'd be difficult to make a general assssment, but at least all of them are reasonable (bar Beastmen, who are the benchmark of shit).
No dismounting in AoS. And thank fuck for that. Can you imagine the rules clusterfuck that would entail? At no functional benefit?

>>51821658
So baseline human Calvary will be Gryph related. Will they release a light scouting version of demigryphs? perhaps.

We had this discussion before how horses don't exist in the mortal realms save for maybe Beasts

>>51822435
Confirmed, this is from the very same 75hastings69.

"BTW Bob have you guys heard anything about the slightly Cthulu/Deep One elves (Aelves) due out later this year? (After Steamheads, which I think are next - oh and there's chat of some skaven stuff too iirc)"

>>51822696
What do you mean by no functional benefit. you could get infantry units faster to objectives and then dig them in and let them fight like normal infantry. Just like dragoons did. This plus artilery support and slower moving blocks of infantry was the mainstay of western warfare for a long time.

Would an army build around 2/3 handguners, 1/3 spearmen and cannons + light cavalery be a viable army vs armies that are played right now?

Also how important is the "magic" stuff to winning ? Are armies that don't use magic at a big disadventage ?


>>51822729
Then why are there horse mounted pistoliers in the game ?

>>51822885
>What do you mean by no functional benefit.
Obviously in game terms, dumb-dumb.

That seems like a viable army, though you might want somewhat more melee fighters for whan the enemy arrives to kick your teeth in.

Magic is useful, but generally not that important; depending on the army.

I know slaanesh isn't getting a good stroking any time soon, but is it still a viable army? I just love the colors and concepts.

>>51823041
Won't hand guns stop enemy armies from getting en mass in to melee range? Plus for every 2 handgunners I would have one spearman. Would having a 50/50 split between handgunners and spearman be more efficient.

>>51823236
It would be awful game design if you could completely destroy any melee army just by taking regular ranged units, with the melee army getting no chance to do anything.

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>>51822864
>cthulhu/deep elves

Interesting. Has there been anything else said about these?

>>51822864
Sounds Lokhir Fellheart-esque shit, nice.

>>51823236
Dedicated melee armies either have the armor to endure your shooting or have movement shenanigans to deliver their punch fast. You'll need some way to stall them out while your ranged troops do their thing.
I'm generalizing here, of course, but a rough 1/3 ranged troopers, 1/3 melee troops and 1/3 support troops and artillery is generally a good split to aim for in the beginning. You can do fine-tuning to your tastes later.

>>51823312
yeah, but that is kind of a how wars were done. Are there any limitations on how many range units an army can have ?

>>51823379
But if I get units stuck in melee I won't be able to shot. And I think that no matter what units I would take as stoppers, the assault units from melee centric melee armies would run over my melee troops anyway.

Is there a way to deploy ditchs or trenchs or traps to slow opposing units down?

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>>51823314
>>51823350

>>51823312
>game design

It's a fantasy setting buddy. If you want closer to

>how wars were done

go play historicals.

>>51823429
>But if I get units stuck in melee I won't be able to shot

4 pages of rules, read them.

>>51823380
>yeah, but that is kind of a how wars were done
Yeah, sure, but this is a) a game and b) a high-fantasy setting, so none of that matters.
>>51823429
You can shot into melee, you know?
And it's not about stopping the brawlers, it's about delaying them for long enough to shot them to shit.

>>51823463
I did. I my area it was house ruled that you can't shot in to out of melee or on models that are in melee. I was told that this and some other house rules concerning moving through terrain, bases etc are world wide accepted.

>>51823531
You were lied to because that house rule utterly fucks game balance over a barrel.

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THE EMPIRE WILL NEVER DIE

LONG LIVE KARL FRANZ

>>51823570
Shooting in melee is retarded, fuck you

>>51823531
they lied to you. Shooting into and out of melee or into other melee is the rules that everyone plays.

The rules of the game (having both players make attacks in both players melee phases) makes shooting as it is balanced.

Tell your group that as soon as they agree not to attack during your melee phase that you'll consider discussion on limiting your shooting phase targets.

>>51823608
Do you think some people still call big S karl franz? I mean, there's him too there amid the other emperors that I actually don't remember how got there in the first place.

>>51823608
But he is a stormcast now

>>51823631
The rules are balanced around shooting into melee, so try to open your mind a little.

>>51823689
It just doesnt make sense. theres no way a unit could load and fire weapons in a melee mosh pit

Theres a point where rule abstraction breaks my immersion and shooting in a melee is it

With is Gold?
1:
Oldblod on carnosaur
Slan
5x Temple guard
5x temple guard
Engine of the gods
1020

2:
Warden
Engine of the gods
Skink priest
5x temple guard
5x t g
5x t g
5x chameleon skinks
1000

3:

Engine of the gods
Skink priest
10x temple guard
30x skinks blowpipe
5x chameleon skinks
Salamander + skinks
1000

>>51823743
Tough luck, pal. Nobody gives a shit.

>>51823153
No. Slaanesh is in no way shape or form a viable army. It's probably one of the worst armies around right now.

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>>51823743

>>51823763
>>51823800
AoS community being passive aggressive as usual I see

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>>51823743
>Won't my ranged guys stop melee armies getting into melee?
>No,that would be shitty game design, but don't worry you can still shoot in melee
>I'm using my autistic license to not use those rules.

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>>51819168
Oh no! People being mean on the internet. How unusual

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>>51823857

>>51823857
You wot m8? Think you meant for >>51823831

>>51823831
Well, what do you want them to say? That your shitty opinion is anything more than that?

>>51823153
No. Don't go slaanesh. I don't care if you like the colors or not. Right now, tzeentch is the only worthwhile chaos army.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/02/20/closer-look-the-heroes/

The whole "compatible with Silver Tower" kinda confirms to me that they're gonna make this WHQ more moduler and have more expansions

>>51824019
I enjoyed Silver Tower, and I'm sure Hammerhal will be fun too, but I hope we get a full Age of Sigmar RPG at some point.

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>>51824092
>full Age of Sigmar RPG at some point
My body is ready

>>51823751

>>51823153
If you like it, play it. Every army can win, I've seen Slaanesh absolutely trounce people and then getting destroyed in return. Depends on the match.

>>51823674
>Do you think some people still call big S karl franz?

No, why would they?

>>51820457
I just want a huge centerpiece Malerion model and some new edgy Aelfs.

How does mixing armies work? Can I have a combined army of Beastclaw and Bonesplitterz, or Seraphon and Stormcast? Or could I even have something like Death/Stormcast?

>>51822729
Riding a mundane horse < riding a glorious griff mount

>>51824126
This. Ever since FFG dropped the license I'm hoping for a Mortal Realms Sigmar RPG.
Could really help flesh out the setting though Hammerhal and the new novel are a good start.

I also want a PC game where you fight as a Stormcast and wreck Chaos. Something like Space Marine/Dynasty Warriors.

>>51824466
when everything is over the top nothing will retain its charm except for the mundane

>>51823608
Why does his mounts beak have teeth.
That's fucking retarded.
Thank God WHFB is dead

>>51823531
HAHAHAHAHAHA
that's cute.
One day, you will leave your parents basement.
And find the world doesn't exist to be your safe space.

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>>51824568
>beaks can't have teeth
>chaos born creatures can't have teeth on beaks
you're dumb and silly

>>51824411
You can do whatever the fuck you want as long as you know that:
>You loose factions/battle groups bonus/additional rules
>You can gimp yourself depending of what units you take and their abilities, so check for stuff like that
If you didn't care about having specific formations and don't pick stuff meant to fuck each other up all is good

>>51824519
Hopefully Hammerhal is GW testing the waters for interest in a proper RPG.

Hey guys, I'm new to this. All I know is that I like chaos daemons. Could you give me the rundown on how each of the chaos gods' daemons play?

>>51824666
>Khorne - punchy and fragile, no magic
>Nurgle - tough and hard to shift, decent magic
>Slaanesh - fast, fragile and punchy, decent magic
>Tzeentch - shooty and lots of shenanigans, powerful magic
I simplify, obviously, but that's how they tend to play out.

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Really stimulates the synapses

>>51824740

>Khorne - punchy and fragile

Does that mean that they're reliant on getting the alpha strike in order to win?

>>51824801
Not really

>>51824740
Slaanesh has a cool colour palette and a concept, so I think I'm going with him then. What's the best way to get started?

>>51824846
by accepting that you're not going to get your daemons model line updated or expanded and get relegated as allies for elves in less than a year.

oh and seekers.

>>51824846
Reading the rules, the General's Handbook and the warscrolls. Then you can buy some Daemonettes.

>>51824666
>khorne
>angry guys with axes
>they beat shit up
>that's it

>slaanesh
>traps on crack with claws
>they are fast
>can do both casting and beating
>kinda glass-cannon-y

>nurgle
>giant neckbeards but theur hygiene is even worse
>they tend to not die
>can cast but also beat shit dead
>somewhat slow

>tzeench
>nerds with a bird fetish
>now /fit/nerds with a bird fetish
>a lot of casting and ranged damage
>now some beating sticks too
>can manipulate fate/dice rolls
>if someone charges your units you can kiss them goodbye
>now this is somewhat mitigated by the /fit/ nerds

>>51824801
In theory, sure. In practice they're mostly reliant on Skullcannons and Bloodthirsters to get anything done.

>>51824885
My friend said all of the gods were getting revamped like tzeentch

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>>51824392
>I just want a huge centerpiece Malerion model and some new edgy Aelfs.

not alone

>>51823751
What is Gold?
Baby don't mine me
don't mine me
no Morr

>>51823751
GOLD
ALWAYS BELIEVE IN YOUR SOUL
YOU'VE GOT THE POWER TO KNOW
YOU'RE INDESTRUCTIBLE

>>51817140
>we will be more popular than Jesus
screen cap this, so we can all yell at this guy for jynxing us

>>51824974
Nurgle and Khorne for sure, but Slaanesh is in a odd position, since he has been lost or kidnapped since the start of AoS. Her blessings have been absent from Archaon's redone mount and his symbol cannot be found on the wheel of the gods, the Horned Rat taking her place. People suspect that the upcoming aelven release is tied to Slaanesh, since Tyrion, Teclis and Malerion are implied to be behind the abduction, possibly taking turns punching it in the gut so he'll vomit up all the elven souls consumed during the End Times.
Maybe there wil be some Stockholm syndrome going on?

>>51825187
So then it's probably best to avoid slaanesh then :/

>>51817792
I don't even care that stormcast are just gw trying to make a bestselling marine tier faction for fantasy. Angels descending from heaven to purge heresy will never not be Fucking cool

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Is there any cool nurgle art I can use for my phone similar to this shit for dead god?

>>51824761
>Really stimulates the synapses

what caught my attention was how the % percentages don't add to 100 and the total armies of each don't add up to the total the graph says.

>>51825288
tampered numbers or just crappy math?

>>51825288
>>51825310
It says number who collect so it accounts for people collecting multiple armies

>>51824846
Start masterbating with cock rings and leather straps. If you have a gf, ask her to whip you until you enjoy the pain, and then take turns whipping her until you both climax without having sex. Start degrading each other on a day to day basis and give each other pet names. Get to the point where you can have entire conversations and make her wet just by looking at her. Go to a few raves and then host an orgy in the penthouse suite of an expensive hotel room. Rub chocolate covered strawberries on your nipple and them dangle them infront of your gfs face, just out of reach for her hungry mouth, and then afterwards watch a marathon of red shoe diaries with your hands and feet tied down while she straddles you wearing only her panties. Then go to your local hobby store and buy some chaos dudes, paint them purple and pink.

>>51824666
Just ask yourself which one you would want to serve.

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>>51824666
>666

You know what you have to do. Get the nipple cranks ready.

>>51824761
Source: ass

>>51824592
houses in my country do not have basments it is too cold to dig them. And if someone does try it Costs too much.
>>51823689
>>51823649
Well I played a few demo games, and don't even have my own army. And even if I did, I doubt I could force everyone to play in a different way.
But that is unimportant. So how does a Free Man faction 2k pts army look like, a take on all comers list ? Also I noticed that the faction, does seem to lack starter boxs like the new factions have, are there any cheaper stand ins for GW models. I have seen some awesome looking models done by other firms, but they are metal and building an army out of those is just way over my budget. I was thinking about getting the core of the list first, or what ever can I get for around 150$, and later get the less important thing that brings me to 2k. The initial buy doesn't have to be super optimised, as long as I can play smaller 1000-1500 games.

>>51824942
It's not mitigated at all. You can, of course, shield your army with tzaangors, but this is a retarded waste of points that you're supposed to spend on Sky Shoah covens.

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19.3% of all people who play the game play elves. More than any other faction by a mile, not even close. Yet no Elves in AOS.

Fuck it give SC all the toys.

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>the gryph-chargers have empty saddles unlike Gore gruntas

looks like its time for some sweet, sweet counts-as bloodcrushers of tzeentch

>>51825750
you have elves, they're just trees now

>>51825775
what will you fill them with? I was just going to take some chaos heads and paint the storm cast riders in Thousand Sons style colors

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>>51825781

>>51825845
maybe tzaangors to double down on beaks? that or acolytes to make some kairic cavalry, either works fine. failing that they'd make some nice alternatives to screamers if filing off the saddle itself weren't such a bitch

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Done building my first unit.how does this sound for a paint scheme:

1.daemonette hide
2.Abaddon black
3.Ironbreaker
4.Total druchii violet wash
5.slaanesh grey skin highlights
6.Lucius lilac drybrushed on hair

>>51825916
either way, don't forget to add spikes and tentacles and shit

>>51823928
Yes, my bad. I was gonna comment on your style. I like it. Nice job using the boss pole for the brute. It's appropriately ridiculous.

>>51826341
basic as fuck but works fine

although
>drybrushing hair
nigga this is hair, not a coarse bear pelt. It'll look like shit.

>>51826432
If I drybrush orthogonally to the strands, it'll look good

>>51826468
I fucking doubt it you lazy fuck

>>51826481
If the hair is already dark, it should be fine since the hair is uniform

>>51826341
Gotta agree with this guy >>51826432

You should paint em on silky smooth, drybrushing it will be quicker but much more lazy and wont look as nice

>>51826566
So what color should I use? I've also got all the pinks

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>>51824666
>trips of Slaanesh

He/She is calling you.
Embrace it.

>>51826566
I would almost be tempted to use a light silver like runefang for that just to VERY gently highlight the strands

>>51826604
Dechala Lilac if you want a similar colour to the Lucius

>>51822361
>gw never made elves as cool as the art

Instead we get gorilla hands or magical bullcrap made to sell big kits.

>>51825572
To be honest, you're going to have to play around your meta. So, playing free people, I'd run a Bretonnian Calvary Battalion, or something similar. That being said, it's not something you could easily find for cheap. Look around for empire battalions.

>>51822463
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>51826994
...what?

>>51826994
Speak English please

>>51826994
>Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

no, I haven't. but it sounds like you might be at that point.

>>51827114
>>51827135
Such appalling newfaggotry.

>>51827173
>look it up
Huh, never heard of that before.

>>51827173
In what way? In the context that we can't understand some cunt's broken speech?

I was at an impasse with using stormcast weapons on my Seraphon, when using the stormcast rules would ruin the fluffiness of the army as they aren't Daemons, then I had an idea, plenty of lizardmen were on the ships, and could have started colonies in the realms, using old one's tech discoveries to make new spawning pools or something, in short, the lizards using storm cast rules and weapons would be Living lizards while the seraphon would still be daemons, I'd just need to paint them differently based on gear to make one look more mortal than the other

>>51827266
I'm not sure I follow.

>>51827266
>Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Lizards are too manlet to be Stormcast.

>>51827242
leave him >>51826994 alone, he is clearly just too high right now. besides it wasn't that hard to understand like this guy did >>51827167.

grammar autists are the worst kind because they contribute nothing to the substance of any conversation they touch.

would Smaug be a good stand in for a Stardrake?

>>51827242
Apparently it's some meme from /v/? First time I saw it as well.

>>51827311
not ridiculous-looking enough

you see in Age of Sigmar stuff has to look like it's crudely carved out of plastic with a knife

>>51827311
Dress him in a t-shirt and you're mostly there.

>>51827294
>>51827299
I wanted to run stormcast allies for my lizards as an excuse to give their sexy looking weapons to lizards, try to run a tech of the old ones look to them, and the comet motifs circle back to Sotek, plus adding their big riding lizards and dragons maybe, but they wouldn't be daemons, which is what the seraphon are supposed to be.

So instead the lizardmen acting as stormcasts would be living breathing lizard men in my fluff, maybe I could use nid bits to make them bigger too

>>51827339
>you see in Age of Sigmar stuff has to look like it's crudely carved out of plastic with a knife
>>51825857

>>51827339
>>51827344
I can just greenstuff the right armor onto him and give him a bright coloration, I like the idea of the stardrakes but the motles just lack something

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>>51827339
>bait like this

>>51826994

Phone auto corrected the to them

>>51827311
its way too big but it can look cool

>>51827871
This. The thing is massive.

>>51827926
>>51827871
Bigger than the Drakes? my other option was to try and bash something together from the actual drake kit, Archeon's New mount, and/or Tyranid parts

>>51817858

Juggernauts look nice here.

>>51818946

That is pretty much Bad Moonz color scheme, which I think is also the current default for Orks. I kind of like it.

Im new to Warhammer and im building Stormcast> so far I have
1 lord relictor
10 Liberators
2 Retributors (Have 3 more coming in the mail)
what other units should i Invest in to make a decent 1000 point list? Im thinking about getting some judicators and a more sturdy HQ than Relictor. Thoughts and suggestions?

>>51827401
>I like the idea of the stardrakes but the motles just lack something
>the motles just lack something
>motles
anon I worry about you

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>>51817933

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>>51827971
>Bigger than the Drakes?
He's fucking massive.

>>51828266
I was going to suggest the starter box, but you have a relictor

I hear the new stormcast units that just came out are super strong.

>>51828304
I was typing in a rush, I ment models obviously

>>51828324
Holy jeebus

>>51828384

There's a reason he is an army unto himself.

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OUT OF MY WAY FUCKING ORDER SHITS

>>51828359
the ones with the crossbow pistols and swords?

Thinking of starting a tzeentch daemons list. How are they as JUST daemons vs slaanesh, since these two are my favorite gods.

>>51828765
Multitudinuous Host is hilarious and undercosted, getting to fill your Pink and Blue horrors by d6 every hero phase for free is pretty great. Essentially as long as you can keep the unit alive, you're pretty safe especially with Fold Reality model filling taken into account. You have an incredibly long hero phase full of mortal wounds and Flamers and Chariots are both great fun for ranged pain. Lord of Change is a very strong hero with the new rules. I'm enjoying them.

Unfortunately I haven't seen anyone bring Slaanesh.

which would make a better proxy for a Dread Saurian? a Maw Crusher? a Stardrake? or something I've not thought of?

>>51828940
maybe one of those Dracoths for SCE, but idk if you can make one without the rider on back

>>51829009
i think a gaggle of skinks on the back would look fine

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I cant seem to find the points value for Karl Franz in the GH, where is it?

>>51829322
Page 150
Karl Franz on Deathclaw
460 points

>>51829340
Thanks, didnt realize they had separated the legacy units into their own section

So just watched a battle report between Tzeentch and Sylvaneth. The Sylvaneth player took 12 kurnoth hunters with bows. Took Gnarlwood Wargrove for his mages. And sounded sad when he made shit rolls.

Fast forward. Oh 6 hunters still alive and his treelord Ancient and Durthu. I had a sylvaneth player tell me my ironjawz were op and I couldn't complain cause of their speed with destruction and ironfist but I countered with I have awful magic, no ranged to speak of, and no consistent way to get good armor saves. He said well his sylvaneth are slow, despite the fact they get teleport to trees and have awesome range.

Is someone playing slaanesh any worse than someone playing free guild, or tzeentch pre-buff?

>>51826994
Man what an old meme

I suddenly wonder, where are the Daemons of Gork and Mork?

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>>51820517
Sorry bro, you made it into the Damaz Kron. You do not make 'minor' spelling mistakes on our god of the forge and father of our race.

Not 100% sigmar related but I got no response in /wip/ I want to do some stormcast conversions, does anyone have a size comparison between a stormcast head and a skitarri head?

>>51822729
I would like to see that. Any new free peoples stuff pushes the gryphon theme. I always thought the demigryph kit was just the coolest looking empire kit in the range. That's just me though.