/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

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>>51813085
nth for sense.

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Second for the Ninth.

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>>51813130
Sanguinius deserves to be happy

4th for follow the rules

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Need some fluffy and inexpensive lists for Sons of Horus. Can't decide fluff wize what to make, I love big blobs, but then no deep strike and little armor. Not a fan of armor but STEHL REHN tactics just sounds like SoH. That or Reavers sounds fluffy. What do?

How to play vs waac-faggot with mass thanatar?

So how many times did Fulgrim smash eidolon's boipussi?

>>51813265
6 times obviously.

>>51813261
more information needed

or

dont play them

So I have a question about basing for advantage (or not as the case may be).
I'd like my ICs to be on higher bases so they stand out, and I've modeled away and now just noticed that the one I've made is now standing on something that's effectively the height of two bases.
Is that going to annoy people? I didn't do it to gain or lose advantage, I just didn't think about it.

>>51813261
don't play if you're not having fun.

for the sake of argument because it's an enetertaining proposition: bring lots of armor (probably dreads) and spread out so his str 8 template does fuck all. if it's sollex lascannon variants, pity him for shitty choice of models and the amount of points invested for mediocre return.

>>51813304
if anything you have lost advantage by making them harder to stick in cover.

basing for advantage is generally using larger bases than the model was supplied with. There are very, very few cases where that is considered acceptable (and pretty much all of them are warhound titan scale or larger)

>>51813304
nobody will care

>>51813260
mastodon filled with contemptors and justarians.

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>>51813260
>I love big blobs and I cannot lie
>You battle brothers can't deny
How about Kharybdis pods bringing 20-man units, or 20-man Assault squads? You know, they're toops too.
Orbital Assault m8. SoHs reroll ones for reserves.

>>51813289
2+ with magus in 1k game. I play AL.

>>51813085
I want to add a Praevian to my Thousand Sons. Any suggestions on what to do with it?

Legion Inductees for Raptora Castellax (5++/4++)? Same for some Vorax?

Or use one of the generic rules?

>>51813486
Jesus fucking christ, tell him to fuck right off.

>>51813486
nah fuck that.

>>51813507
Why Praevian instead of just taking psi beep boops and saving an HQ slot for another IC or Osiron?

>>51813486
Why are you playing with someone like that?

>>51813486
infiltrate like 50x sniper veterans

>>51813562
No other choice.
Only 3 people wanna play heresy in our club.
And he - one of them. He always play waac, and now seek the most power in game.

>>51813357
>mastadon
>inexpensive
lel

>>51813602
No LoWs can fit at 1k points.

>>51813602
ask to swap lists for a game, see what he says.

or just start running sisters of silence and custodes everywhere. he can't do much with no juice.

>>51813486
this >>51813580. sniper vets fucking wreck automata. also, if you can get thanatar in combat they can't do jack shit, they just don't have enough attacks.

>>51813629
actually yeah this is a good point, how the hell is he even fitting two thanatars and magnus in the same list at 1000 points? there's no way to take a primarch at 1k without using primarch's chosen

>>51813654
I think he meant magos.

>>51813629
But they heavy support, no?

>>51813650
>ask to swap lists for a game, see what he says

I don't wanna buy weak models.

>>51813666
oh I'm dumb.

well, yeah, original point then, sniper vets should wreck 'em. they're the best way to deal with artillery and MC in general in my opinion. either that or the best tarpit melee unit you can think of then just hold the board while they grind away for the whole game in the most boring non-lethal assault.

honestly, thanatar are not actually a very efficient unit and are more of an intimidating distraction threat than anything else. if they're in the same unit they also suffer the problem that any multi-shot large blast barrage unit has in that the second shot is going to flip off and hit absolutely nothing most of the time. granted, when you only have 1000 points of dudes it only takes a few good shots to kill half your list, so I don't think you can really afford to ignore them in this case.

So I was reading some tactica for the TSons and people were saying that the Osiron Dreads are HQ choices? Where does it say that? Does this mean an Osiron Deadnought Talon would be a HQ choices then?

>>51813798

I thought Osirons were an upgrade to a normal Dread Talon.

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What's on your painting table /hhg? I'm working my way through some Apothecaries today.

>>51813549
Better shooting with ETA, Dark Lances and the re-rolls.
Better mobility and melee with Scouting from Vorax and WS4.
Praevian is a tough HQ for handling Signs & Portents unlike the Osiron.
The Osirons are shit IMO.

>>51813895
Is your spray ok? White seems kind of uneven

>>51813887
As did I but even people in this thread seem to think its HQ >>51813549

I just thought I'd missed something.

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>>51813887
Because that's what's written right there on the TS rules.

>>51813629
IIRC TS have unique RoW that makes Magnus HQ

>>51813970
The minimum playable with that is 1005 points, so not fitting in a 1k list.

>>51813911

That's after drybrushing, and after adding some chipping and weathering powder the unevenness helps with texture.

>>51813950
Huh. So would that make the Osiron Deadnought Talon a HQ choice?

>>51814037
not him, but you might want to reconsider a smoother white, it doesn't look very good at least from what I can tell of that photo.

got any other finished stuff to give a better idea once it's on base?


on other topics:
Repost from last thread, basing suggestions for black armor? I did medium tone desert for 40k Inquisition, but I'm not sure if I want to do my 30k raven guard differently.

>>51813903
Not that Anon but I think he meant the TSons Castellax.

Also whats not to like about the Osiron?
They dont get affected by Signs and portents as they dont have the LA special rule, although their perils still trigger it.

Do you guys have any girls in your local group?

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>>51813085
I'll come back when this is a Hale's Own
Will we have made it to Terra by then?

>>51814044
It's weird.

You aren't forced to upgrades dreads the same so the fate of other dreads when one gets upgraded is confusing.

>>51814079
It's really expensive and force weapon is redundant one something that already smack bitches left and right.

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>>51814065

After more work they turn into something like these guys.

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>Excited to have my first game with Tsons on Saturday
>45 minutes after he says he would show up, he sends a text saying he cant make it

>>51813895
Well, I assembled some rubric marines so I can use them as command squad members for Ahriman.

Is it just me but lightning claws have zero love in this game?

>>51814335
>just as I'm so sorry anon

>>51814335
what were you gonna be up against?
also batrep when you get round to it

>>51814337

Single lightning claws are really good on Terminators that you're sending in to blend normal marines, but if you're going up against 2+ saves or characters they're useless next to power/chainfists.

>>51814348
raven guard

>>51814401
Well, I equipped my command squad with 5 plasma pistols, 1 power fist, 1 lightning claw, rest in "charnabal" sabers once I acquire appropriate bits.

>>51814302
>Any contermptor dreadnought talon taken as part of a Thosuand Sons detachment may be upgraded to a Osiron Dreadnought for 50 points each.

Forge World rules everyone. Does this mean every dreadnought in the talon must be upgraded to an Osiron? The first line specifies talon which I guess mean yes?

>>51814328
looks pretty good, I see what you mean by the texture now, it makes that agrax wash 'weather' them pretty well.

>>51814079
Because you can't take the Castellax-Achea with a Praevian and I'm explaining why a regular Castellax does some things better.

>>51814079
And they don't count for the "All HQs dead" rule while taking an HQ slot, that's why I call them shit.

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What color should I make my apothecary's manskirt. Pic related is also the rest of my power armored mooks.

>>51814636
Teal for extra surgeon feel.

>>51814662

Isn't it more of a seafoam green?

>>51814717
sure. I'm blind

>>51811387
Nice way to dodge actually providing proof.

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Angron confirmed for poor. Can't get a car, has to ride the bus.

>>51814815
Mr. Nailbrain couldn't pass the driving test anyway

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>>51814786
Angron cannot ride in a Caestus, this is a fact. Playing with house rules with you jerk off buddy is fine, playing in events or pick up games with custom rules are not. Argument over, stop flooding threads with shit.

>>51814828
trolls can't even keep who they're replying to straight

but yeah this needs to stop

>>51814083
Yes. I got my gf into it.

>>51814847
what does she play? 30k doesn't have tyranids

>>51814828
Anon, this is what he was replying to >>51810763. I don't give a shit where Upsetron can and cannot ride, I want to know what proof anon has that 8e WoC army book says Khorne has honour and Russ is a tractor.

>>51814863
kek

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>>51814863
Probably ECs because dat purple and gold

inb4 someone suggests BAs as an unfunny joke

>>51814901
ECs and BAs are the pretty marines, so that makes a lot of sense

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>>51814901
I'm going to guess custodes

Any advice for an AL army in general? Units to stick go for?

What Discipline would suit Magnus best when used as psychic D-platform?

>>51814944
>taking Magnus

>>51814944
For D platform, Pyromancy.

I honestly think he's best overall going max biomancy. The buffs make him a monster in combat and while there's no novas, smite is fine power to unleash on some tanks and heavy hitters.

Anyone have a gaming mat, like the FAT mats that frontline sells? is there a particularly good brand to buy?

>>51814833
Not a troll, people just following rules.

Follow the rules.

>>51814978
I've never had people actively complain about mats to make a definitive claim. I know that zuzzy mats are really nice, but can take forever to be delivered.

>>51813486 >>51813666

>Chosen Duty
Delegatus
5x5 HB sniper vets
Deathblossom Leaviathan

Do you guys have a chapter for drop assault?

>>51815000
Serrated Suns were drop pod heavy.

Valdor vs. generic Tribune for HQ choice. Which one would be better? Tribune's 'choose your trait' seems neat.

>>51814944
Depending on the ruling of Magnus's special rules and Sanctic perils I believe Sanctic will be the best. Blessings, a nova and D power all in one tree.

>>51815039
Only one of those models gets a 3++ rerollable invuln.

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>>51815044
Sanctic Perils?

>>51815069
you always peril on doubles when casting sanctic powers if you arent a grey knight, you fucking animeposter

>>51815008
Uhhh... I mean the mobile game.

>>51815088
So what's the problem cunt? Magnus says that he perils on trip 6. Model special rule trumps general rule.

You fucking cunt

>>51815123
magnus's rules are ludicrously broken so good luck getting anybody to agree with it

>>51815123
eh, I'd wait for an FAQ on that, since that sounds like a general case perils change rather than what specifically happens for sanctic.

this entire book is full of garbage they didn't think through or test for inconsistencies that are pretty obvious to most of us immediately. it's a bit of a letdown. I wonder how many flat-out misprints there are in the talons rules given that they pretty obviously fucked up the weapon stats for secutarii.

>>51815144
Nothing to argue about. Model rule trumps general rule.

>>51815156
nobody is even going to agree to play against magnus, so its irrelevant.

>>51815147
Erratas will likely nerf him down significantly if FW has any sense, but for now he perils on trip 6, all form of witchfire gets range + S boost, and invisibility make him impossible to hit.

>>51815156
There's always something to argue about anon.

>>51815178
Well yeah, but the important thing is that things are correct.

>>51815182
But not this

If Magnus is like this then how the fuck would the E be since he's kind of garanted ML6

>>51815206
I would not be surprised if he's basically Warhound titan tier.

>>51815180
>erratas
>FW

Good luck waiting on that one, they couldn't even fix all the basic issues when they updated the armylist book. Sometimes you'd wonder if it are actualy people working at FW or just a bunch of monkeys :^)

>Laser destroyer array still missing

>>51815206
Round about 2k points.

>>51815206
Besides being very strong and psychically the best, is there any quality of the emperor that make him a great warrior? I don't think I've ever read him described as an amazing shot or a peerless swordsmen.

He seems like he just has immense raw stats.

>>51814037
>drybrushing models in smooth armour
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>51814083
Yes, and there is a quite a few girls frequenting these boards.

>>51815278
He was described as the best swordsman humanity had ever produced in older versions of his duel with Horus.

Of course, nu-canon will present him as barely able to hold a sword when faced with the true power of chaos, but it hasn't happened yet.

>>51815278
Used all his martial skills and psychic power to not get crushed by some mekboss

>>51815278
he cant be that good, he got punked by an ork

>>51815320
>>51815321
Wasn't that a test to see if he could trust Horus?

>>51815334
also while remotely powering the throne?

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>>51814083
girl here
thinking of sisters of silence
> paint them blue with red hair

>>51815345

You leave your shift key in the kitchen?

>>51815352
kek

>>51815344
Not him. but He went on to blow up the ork-held planet in the same book IIRC.

>>51815345
>thinking of sisters of silence
Why is it every girl on here is a lesbian, or at the least bi?

>>51815334
wasn't that an excuse he made up because he got cucked by an ork?

>>51815372
lesbo m8
and i have no fucking idea why
speaking of, there actually seems to be very little on how talons work outside of the golden bananas

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>>51815345
>girl here

Post painted minis

>>51815345
Sisters of Silence aren't really a standalone army, as they lack a whole lot of tools required to hold their own.

>>51815352
>>51815372
Such immaturity. But then again I should not expect more from manchildren obsessed with toy soldiers.

Starting up some armor (and jetbikes because otherwise I get fucked by my LA rule)

Sicaran Venator or Vindicator Laser Destroyer? goal is to punch holes in spartans and other heavy stuff. My initial thought is Sicaran because of shock pulse being too good to ignore.

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>>51815410
>white knighting for someone pretending to be a girl on the internet

>>51815410
>implying we weren't and aren't always immature manchildren

Would you guys mind if I - your opponent - use Ixion Hale as Valdor or Tribune w/ Shield? I may lay down a shield bit beside him or something.

>>51815420
laser destroyer will be better for taking out a spartan

>>51815427
Even with flare shields accounted for? pretty sure the LD can only glance at that stage, while the sicaran still can pen.

I guess the Deredeo with Arachnus Lascannon is also worth considering, since it's also str 10 and can cause extra HP loss via exo-shock.

>>51815422
I'm just dissapointed they fell for the bait. If we don't feed the namefags, trolls, and shitposters the bread stays more pleasant

>>51815453
Well neither is going to fuck up a spartan that badly

If you want a spartan dead you send chainfists/a lightning after it

Alright, forgive my ignorance, but do the Space Marine Legion lists get to take Legio Cybernetica on their own? I say this after seeing what looked like a Thousand Sons-themed robot model promoted at the recent HH weekend.

>>51815467
Or bait the passengers into charging a tactical squad or something and then unload with your whole army on them. The spartan itself is hardly a threat, it always is its contents that you wanna kill.

>>51815467
I'm not the crazy fucker running 40 melta MDs, but I do run raven guard and occasionally recon company, so terminators aren't always a thing. I ended up caving and buying 2 vultarax. the sicaran/vindi/deredeo will mostly be to slow things down rather than stop them cold.

>>51815479

Yes. Every Legion had Oath-Bonded Cybernetica units attached. There's even a Consul who's task it is to maintain and direct them.

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Im not sure about double red (dark red leather, light red rope and topknot). What do you guys think?

Also be kind, it's only in the basecoat phase.

>>51815501

Okay, thank you.

>>51815372
most guys in the hobby are ugly as fuck (or girls) so either way they're going lesbo.

>>51815372
Calling out girls for wanting to play with girly models. Well you play with male models does that make you/us gay or at least bi/bi-curious?

>>51815509
and thats where it should stay. You've ruined a $6 model out of carelessness, don't bother putting any more coats on just wash and highlight.

>>51815536

Lol harsh

>>51815531

I consider bi-curiosity a virtue. People should be open to things, at least until they know for sure whether they like it or not. After all, the same can be said for playing 30k. You don't know if you like it until you've actually played.

>>51815536
>You've ruined a $6 model out of carelessness

Is that supposed to be expensive or something?

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>>51815509

>>51815556
not as if you generally get them in ones anon, they come on the 5 man sprues lowest sell for $28-35.

>>51815489
>>51815467

Or throw a load of graviton shots at it, or just keep your distance, or feed them a couple of cheap units. If someone has bought a spartan full of death star then they're sinking an enormous proportion of their army into a single unit, it has to do quite a lot of work to make its points back.

>>51814863
World Eaters actually. Pretty popular legion with the ladies. Probably because of all the blood. I have to admit she only got really into it after reading Betrayer though.

>>51815536
fuckin rekt

epic

>>51815531
Personally I get models to paint and play the game with, not to jerk off to.

to me the custodes vehicles look kinda shit except for the jetbikes
but is an all deep striking, valdor lead army with dreads, jetbikes and terminators at all viable?

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>>51815663
>Pretty popular legion with the ladies. Probably because of all the blood.

/HHG/, how would you fix the Mastodon?
I would like to see the range on the melta array upped to 18 and given armourbane instead of melta, which is nearly useless in this millennium of armoured ceramite.

>>51815790
>Not seeing Armoured Ceramite for everything is the problem

Probably a little point adjustment would be enough. It is suppose to do the same thing as a Spartan, but then on a bigger scale, and it already does just that.

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>>51815536
This will be the first of 15 of them. Congratulations. I'll be sure to spam them now bubby

>>51815790
to be fair taking armoured ceramite on everything adds up a lot, so there's a bit of back and forth in most places between taking melta/not taking melta and taking AC vs not taking AC. it's great if the enemy has a lot of melta, but if they didn't bring any you just wasted a shitload of points on literally nothing

Company of Bitter Iron

Praetor, TH, Iron Halo, cyber familiar, Grav Gauntlet
Forge Lord, rad nades
20 Medusan Immortals, Chargers for all, AA, fist and familiar on sarge
Spartan DT, FS, AC, dozer
2 Rhino tac squads, MM dozer on rhinos

2xJavelin Attack Speeder, ML, MM

2xVindicator, machine spirit dozer blade
Deredeo, autocannons, aiolos, AC

Glaive Special Weapons Tank, AC

How's it looking as a 3k list?
not wanting it to be supremely powerful, but something I could take to a narrative event and do reasonably well with.

>>51815832
I'd have AC either drop Melta bonus to D3 instead of D6, or give the vehicle like a 4++ save against Melta weapons. I like the idea of it making the vehicle more resilient to Melta, but just outright immune is a bit silly.

>>51815870
I only use Melta on things with high AV. AC on a Rhino doesn't do much when S8 is still enough to bust it.

>>51815872
most events disallow relics, just as an FYI.

>>51815790
>/HHG/, how would you fix the Mastodon?
With lots of greenstuff.

>>51815892
it's still a waste on a sicaran if they don't bring any, and that's where I see lots of people use it. I'd personally only ever put it on something that must make it all the way across the board, like a spartan or a land raider.

>>51815914
if it's a narrative they might let it slide, but yeah, relics are generally a no-no. mostly because everyone became obsessed with breaking the game using the CAA and the nanyte blaster

>>51815914
>>51815920
didn't realize that, will keep that in mind
any advice on the rest of the list?

>>51815920

True. If they're in your backfield trying to fuck up your artillery then it's going to get fucked up, AC or no.

>>51815862
please do. I look forward to witnessing future travesties whilst I paint my own contingent.

Just how powerful is the Militia and Warp Cults list, especially compared to Imperial Guard lists? I want to start an army of dudes in t-shirts with flashlights, but IG seems to be a powerful codex on average and my friend plays 'Nids and I don't want to stomp him every game.

>>51815872
I'm not a big fan of the Immortals/spartan combo. that's a huge points investment for minimal return.

desu at that points level I'd say replace both of those with ferrus and as many cortus dreads as you can cram in. with blessed autosim AND iwnd dreads go from meh to actually scary.

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Post yer models

>>51815972
Feel free to put up time stamped images any time friend, or just keep running your cunt mouth. Whichever suits.

>>51815987
>ferrus and as many cortus dreads as you can cram in
isn't that generally considered kind of a dick move? that shit topples knights like they're nothing

I do agree abour immortals, though. they're really for zone mortalis and nothing else, they just don't have a place on an open battlefield. they're fancy breathers, you want to use them for breacher things, not battlefields.

Does anyone have any Primarchs they put next to troops so I can get an idea of scale.

I'm thinking about taking the plunge and getting 2 or 3.

>>51816026
I mean, most of them have dead marines as part of their cinematic bases, that should give you a pretty good idea

Any tips on beating Ferrus w/ LR, Orth w/ Sicaran, full Troop Preds, and Dread / Vindicator spam list?

>>51815984
IG are one of the shit-tier armies. Militia is probably better, specially against Nids as you can get huge blobs of fearless, rending troops.

>>51816049
aircraft

How do I equip Tactical Veteran Squads? I want to run an UM Red-Marked army to represent the shift to Codex Astartes like tactics, but honestly, all the options of the TacVets are overwhelming me.

Do Deathshroud termies take an actual vow of silence? Or do they just don't it to be spooky? Trying to figure out if one would make sense as a hero in a strike force for victory is vengeance. I know they're meant to be anonymous, but they could use vox modulators or something to distort their voice, right?

>>51815999
perhaps you'd like another response in /wip/? Then again if you couldn't pick up on the advice floating around there you are a lost cause, like your children's attempt at a custodian.

>>51816049
Thunderhawk gunship with turbo-laser destructor. Most of that list won't be able to hit it. Fill the rest of your list with stuff in fliers (angel's wrath) and just never put anything on the ground for him to shoot.

You never said you wanted a fun or fair solution.

>>51816001
Cortus dreads are for faggots, don't listen to him.

>>51816049
3 wings of vultarax in a cybernetica list.

>>51816060
Pick one role for them and choose wargear accordingly. Shooting infantry from medium range - plasmaguns, combi-plasmas, heavy bolters
Shooting infantry from short range - flamers, heavy flamers, combi-flamers,
Shooting tanks - meltaguns, missile launchers, combi-meltas
Assault - add a few power weapons, but don't go too crazy. Fourty CC attacks on the charge already hurts most things

Btw, is there any vehicle-hunting flyer beside Lightning?

>>51816049
Warlord titan. Or more than one.

>>51816100
xiphons can but not as well. mechanicum has the vultarax which is an FMC, and basically the be-all end-all of vehicle removal short of fisting something to death in assault.

>>51814335
I had that happen once when I wanted to use Fulgrim, but the guy had me help him empty his apartment instead...the pain is there but it does fade my friend

>>51816100
Xiphon is alright but only shines against vehicles with low AV unless you got mad penetration rolls. Fire raptor also isn't half bad with the amount of high strentgh shots it can throw out.

It's just that usually people only field vehicles with high AV, AC, Flareshields, and occasionally even invulnerable saves, against which only the lightnig has a reasonable chance of actually doing anything.

Are you ready for Iron Warriors vs Imperial fists boarding assault in the new hh box set?

I need to ask an urgent favour. Does anyone here have Magnus the Red: Master of Prospero? I need to know what year it's set in during the Great Crusade, what year Morningstar is destroyed. Many thanks in advance.

>>51816100
xiphons are pretty good at it and have the added bonus of being able to do it for more than one turn, plus they're the best flier for killing other fliers. they're not the battlefield scalpel that a kraken volley lightning is going to be, but they're still good and the model is a lot cooler.

>>51816103
Well, you aren't wrong.
>>51816126
Next box will coincide with Book 8 so I'd estimate they'll be DA breachers vs NL assaults.

>>51816159
> Implying angelus will be released this age

>>51816128
>does anyone have the book that isn't even out yet
You fuck.

>>51816166
But anon, they won't need to spend so much time to carefully balance all the unique and diverse factions in it. :^)

>>51816169

The Limited Edition is out. I've seen spoilers posted. I actually own it, but my brother borrowed my copy and he's 2000 miles away, so I can't check it myself.

>>51816178
But the decorations will need a lot if work so that no humans are seen between the architecture which would be a mess. Wouldn't it anon?

>>51816122
>Fire raptor also isn't half bad with the amount of high strentgh shots it can throw out.
worth pointing out since a lot of people missed it - Fire Raptor got its Hellstrike Missiles massively buffed from Ordnance S8 AP3 (i.e., unusable garbage) to S8 AP2 Heavy 1 Sunder. before you even using them meant snap-firing everything else + only even firing one at a time for mediocre effect, whereas now you can do the same thing they do in 40k - fire all four at one target, turrets at something else, main cannon at a third or fourth target - and it does it even better since the autocannons are reapers and the missiles have sunder.

that said, while the model is very cool it's a massive bitch to assemble so I always have to give a word of caution before I recommend it to anyone. do not go into it without a lot of green stuff on hand. you will need it. the master is straight up defective and you have to make up for it on your end.

>>51816169
What do you mean isn't out? My copy arrived two weeks ago.

>>51816217

Praise be! Can you please tell me what year the Morningstar evacuation was in the book?

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TFW Your 1k Custode list is 11 models

HQ: Legio Custodes Shield Captain w/ Praesidium Shield, Cyber-Familiar, Paragon Spear 235pt
Troops: Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla and Solerite Power Gauntlet 325pt
Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 4 220pt
Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank w/ Extra Armor and Armored Ceramite 220pt

Total = 1000

>>51816252
>Praesidium Shield, Cyber-Familiar
You sound like a bitch.

>>51816230
853.M30 Fifty Fifth Year of the Great Crusade.

http://m.ebay.es/itm/Spartan-assault-tank-/252775549223?hash=item3ada98c927%3Ag%3AO2MAAOSw1DtXGcMl&_trkparms=pageci%253Abf076f53-f762-11e6-aaab-74dbd1806f5e%257Cparentrq%253A5b5ba2ac15a0a6a8cb4ef7d9fff225b3%257Ciid%253A6
Is this a chinacast?

>>51816279

So Peturabo was found 849 and Magnus was found 840. Interesting.

Many thanks anon.

>>51816267
This is my first Warhammer list in 6 years; Custodes got me back into the game. Did I do something wrong?

That being said, why would I not want to reduce my opponents ability to hit by -1 and give myself a 3+ Invul that's rerollable? Isn't it a good combo?

>>51816284
Is it new and sold for less than the FW price?

>>51816289
He's mad that a non-special character can whoop his primarchu's ass.

>>51816287
Then Sanguinius and Lionel were found between those years.
>>51816289
Because it's too strong to be fun anon, ask you're opponent what he thinks of the combo.

Is Magisterium Vexilla a must?

IIRC back then there was 2+/2++ reroll 1 list somewhere. Not sure when and which army was it.

>>51816305
Oh....well he's 235 points; that's an insane point sink that I want to defend. I see what you mean, but wasn't it intended for this combo to be used?

>>51816304
Gimme Valdor and I'll watch him slap most Primarch's asses. Apparently a suped up Tribune and Valdor can take down Horus?

>>51816317
From what I keep reading, at least 1 every 1k points is a must. The basic one is free for most units; in units like a Sentinel or Hetaeron squad you'll want to give the wielder a Power Gauntlet to help smash shit in since he won't have his Guardian Spear or Sentinel Warblade.

>>51816305
At least it's not a Tribune.

>>51816327
Screamerstar?

>>51816287
No problem anon.

>>51816289
Yes, it's an insane combo. It's too good, it can kill literally anyone but Leman Russ and Anacharis Scoria in a duel, and even then it's a coin flip. He's 235 points and capable of beating 500pt Horus in a fight, while being immortal to anything but being Stomped or hit with 7 S: D shots to the face. Nothing at 1000 points in the Legion book can feasibly handle that, you'd need Mechanicum durability or Milita tarpits to try.

However, that list is slow as hell save the tank and seriously lacks punch. You get your one Leman Russ grade tank killed, you're then very vulnerable to being ran around the whole table and never doing anything with your pitiful shooting. Custodes really aren't built for 1k points, in fact 30k really isn't built for 1k points.

>>51816327
eldar could do that for a long time, ITC banned rerollable 2++ invulns because everyone was so sick of that. when you have a rerollable 2++ and invisibility a deathstar is basically invincible.

>>51816337
there's at least one person, maybe two, in these threads that are insanely salty about custodes and will hate anyone that runs them. to be fair, if you max out a tribune the ability to choose your warlord trait - and pick infiltrate your WL + three units - becomes very, very broken. they are very, very strong, but they're not impossible.

at 1000 points, you don't have the transports, deep strike or infiltration to make get them up close and personal, so I think it could be reasonably dealt with. at 2000 points, though? I have to concede at this point that a vanilla legion list is going to struggle to deal with it.

>>51816339
Not sure if it was Daemon or Eldar. I wonder how people went against those lists back then.

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>>51815997

>>51816338
>implying it won't be the moment anon hits 2000 points

>>51816378
they both had ways to do it, but I think the screamerstar was more commonly abused. eldar have other shit to abuse these days so they hardly miss it.

>>51816380
But it's not yet.

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>>51816347
>>51816377

Ah ok, I see where you're coming from. I appreciate the help.

And I've noticed that trend with Custodes. They can all Deep Strike with Transponders, but even then that's not incredibly helpful. Even in a 2.5k list they're a 26 infantry model list and not super fast.

Here's my 2.5k List

HQ: Legio Custodes Tribune w/ Praesidium Shield, Cyber-Familiar, Digital Lasers, Paragon Spear 275pt

Elite: Legio Custodes Hetaeron Squad of 5 w/ 2 Praesidium Shields, 2 Paragon Blades, and 2 Solerite Gauntlets 420pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla/Sentinel WarBlade 285pt

Dedicated Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav-Carrier w/ Extra Armor 140pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ Teleport Transponders 300pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ Teleport Transponders 300pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla and Solerite Power Gauntlet 325pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank w/ Extra Armor 200pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Galatus Dreadnought 250pt

Total = 2500pt

I'm still figuring them out since this army is my first after so many years, and I stopped playing at the end of 5th Ed. I'm trying to figure out what works and what's cool; especially since I'm already collecting them. Absolutely lost my shit when I saw Custode models were now a thing since they've been my favorite for years.

I'm trying to find a way to incorporate more speed when I can, and in a 3k List I added 5 Jetbikes and another Grav Carrier.

>>51816380
>>51816392
I don't see anything wrong with that. It's a fucking steal and anyone would be a fool not to do it.

Why WOULDN'T you do it?

>>51816431
Because you aren't a bastard and appreciates that your opponent might like to have fun too.

Hmm, do you guys think Hetaeron is better than Aquilon? Or is it because Aquilon is not out yet?

>>51816431
>12 quad mortars with phosphex and shatter shells are versatile, and one of the most points-efficient ways of killing infantry and tanks
>why WOULDN'T you do it?

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>>51816446
Custode Anon here.

I like the idea that Custode Tribunes are buttfuck impossible to kill; aren't they supposed to be 10/10 Slap-Heretical-Shit?

In friendly games if opponents think it's too much I will happily take down the upgrade to Tribune and switch it to another Extra Armor and Armored Ceramite somewhere else. I enjoy having fun since the lore and having fun games matter most to me. I don't care about winning desu; just that it's a crazy game. Would it be fair to keep the upgrade if I know I'll fight a Primarch or something?

>>51816460
Exactly.

Not taking leviathans, spartans, sicarans, etc. just means you're bad at this game and should go back to 40k. Or so I've been told about all the time.

>>51816421
Think about it this way. When you stopped, was it because of Grey Knights? Custodes are expected to have the effect on HH that Grey Knights had at the end of 5th edition, except they're even better. You have to be careful making a list with them because they don't have a lot of options and it's hard to find the balance between "immobile and never going to get anywhere to do anything" and "unstoppable killing machines all up in your shit from turn one."

>>51816472
I'd say run a fight between him and a primarch a few times with a friend and then see. If he does actually never lose despite costing half the points and being an HQ instead of a LoW then you may want to consider nerfing him yourself. If you and your friend have fun with it or it doesn't seem unfair to either of you, then whatever, have fun with it.

Just keep in mind that FW has made a lot of shit that was crazy overpowered at first and was later errata'd down a lot, usually through large cost increases and/or significant rule changes (see: Castellax). I think it's inevitable that Shield Captains are going to get a huge point cost increase down the line, but it's going to be a while before it happens. If you want to keep games reasonably balance you might have to do FW's balancing work for them for a little while unless your local FLGS 30k meta is extremely competitive and cutthroat enough to handle full-power Custodes lists.

>>51816472
>I see nothing wrong with my army having a massively OP unit
>It is perfectly fluffy after all

Eldar apologists ? I swear I'm hearing eldar apologists in here

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>>51816513
REEEEEEEE

I need C&C on my 2k AL list:

Delegatus
Vigilator

Mortis contemptor dual kheres
Mortis dread rifleman
Mortis dread TL ML & havoc

5x5 HB sniper vets with nuncio & meltabombs
5 Seekers with nuncio

Scorpius
Scorpius
Deathblossom Leaviathan

2000 flat if i did well.

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>>51816511
I gave Grey Knights a shot since they were fun and I had loads of the old metal ones. They were interesting, but ultimately relied on 5-6 combos to winning most games while having little variability in some of the units.

As for the Primarch bit, that makes a ton of sense. I remember when I was trying out Badab War pieces with my Lamenters, things felt very broken at times, so the self tweaks for less intrusive games made it more challenging but fun. You're right about the balance, and that's something I'm looking forward to trying.

Pic is of some of my old Lamenters.

>>51816513
I haven't played a game in a long time, I just thought it was sturdy as fuck, not OP as fuck. I can easily tone it down.

>>51814079
>although their perils still trigger it.
But they are vehicles, they don't suffer Wounds.

>>51816617
They get an auto glancing hit.

>>51816645
but that's not a wound anyway

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>>51816472
p. Custodes, Custodians
s. Custodian.

Yankee English: custode.

>>51816791
>Custodian
in all those stupid "primarch high school" fanfics why did no one ever have the thought to make the Custodes into the janitors? "Custodian" is just a polite word for "janitor" in a lot of places after all.

>>51816791
Not being serious about it. It's befuddled Latin, so I'm playing with it.

>>51816832
You are forgiven. Though somehow it irks me,

>>51816791
s. codex.
p. codices.

GW English: codexes.

>>51816791
>>51816880
>overthinking GWs pig latin.

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>>51816811

>>51816548
>Deathblossom Leaviathan
eh?

>>51816948
Two storm cannons, two volkites and a phosphex launchers.

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>>51816945

>>51816960
>us
Pig English. Disregard.

>>51816956
>two volkites

Surely you mean two assault cannons.

>>51815721
Weirdo

>>51816956
ew
>>51816548
in which case noice
real noice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8c5wmeOL9o

you can take hoards, tanks, aircraft. The only real think that might be a problem is heavy tanks, spartans and above a basically, even then you hould be fine.

>>51816969
Only if you are blood angels.

>>51816548
double scorpius is going to make people that like running tacblobs very upset with you

>>51816969
Not everyone can be the Emperor's pretty marines 69dubs.

>>51817020
>people running unsheilded tac blobs
Good, they get what they deserve

>>51814277
nope.avi

>>51817030
just sayin', that thing isn't called "the great un-friend-maker" for nothing. nothing like dropping it right on your bud's praetor and fucking deleting him with instant dead and no FNP because of barrage rules as soon as he fails a save.

>>51817043
t b h the worse part is the spamablity
115pts is criminal

>>51817054
yeah, it should probably be 135 if we're honest, maybe more but 135 seems a fair nerf

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>>51813085
Dear /HHG/ I wish to fight at the Eternity Gate, sacrificing the lives of my brother marines to gain ground and to die at the hands of the Custodes.

As a World Eater, I wish to RIP and TEAR. Any tips to help me do so?

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>>51817018
>>51817024
Why would you not?

>>51817054
So dreads win every fight through combat resolution as they don't take wounds?

>>51816074
Damn. Stalking me across the length of the board takes dedication, I hope I can be that pathetic one day.

Feel free to post your time stamped minis at any stage too bruh.

>>51817104
Sometimes people would rather play Imperial Fists or White Scars.
Any other choice is wrong though.

>>51817090
Remember to model caedere weapons on everything that can take them. They're terrible, but your anger over building your models with the wrong gear will help you get into character.

>>51817138
Plus, having a whip/meteor hammer sidearm looks cool as shit.

>>51817138
>>51817159
Thank you kind Anons. I'm thinking of getting as many marines as possible and trying to ram them down my opponents throat as fast as possible. Not interested in fielding Terminators or wazzy stuff.

Plan for the army looks like:

Kharn
18xMarines with Chainaxes
Apothecary
*A Transport Vehicle that they can assault from*

Vet Sergeant
18xMarines with Chainaxes
Apothecary
*Transport vehicle they can assault from*
I like the Radiation guys too and the Mortifex dude too but I don't want to water down the carnage.
Ad infinitum...

Because we're gonna need a lot of bodies.

>>51817207
Spartans have 25 man cap, so you can have 20 marine squads and all your goodies.

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Good moooooorning /hhg/!

I think I've finalized a pretty solid set of rules for the Hell-Vault Marines, these tweaks (i hope) make them very fluffy without being too powerful.

explanation of changes-
>Cybernetica Cortex
perfect compromise for their rules imo, it keeps them mindless and forced to get close while also giving a slight boost against stuff like phosphex to counter T4. Very fluffy rule, can't believe it took me this long to think of it.

>plasma gun
I think the blaster was a little bit too good, I don't like the range bump but with BS3 it shouldn't be an issue. Playtest may tell otherwise.

>machinator array
since the cortex lets them fire multiple weapons, there's no way I couldnt bump it up to 20ppm.

>meltagun/lightning gun
some helpful anon suggested it last night, and I like the idea. They're both powerful short-ranged guns, but BS3 means you can be spending 300 pts. on a unit that just got into charge range and didn't hit shit.

Thoughts?

>>51817263
Are they not supposed to have LA (IH)?
Also, i'd shy away for letting everyone in the squad have access to those options, maybe 1 in 5.

>>51817285
>Are they not supposed to have LA (IH)?
I might be wrong, but I don't think all of them were Iron Hands, at least if we're thinking of the Xana Incursion zombie marines, right? Most of them were Iron Hands that died on Isstvan, but not all.

>>51817263
Would it be worth giving them an option to add a techmarine to the unit? Techmarines aren't independent characters, so can't otherwise.

>>51817285
>Legiones Astartes
No, they aren't going too. The way I see it, they're basically zombies and their extensive augmentations are already represented by FNP/Cortex/Abomination rules.

>1 in 5
That might be a good idea for the machinator array (maybe the plasma gun too?) but the rest I think are ok as is- the power axe is nothing spectacular, PF is good but they don't get the extra attack, so 2A on the charge and 1 everywhere else, which isn't really that good, especially with WS3.

Meltagun/lightning gun are only 1 shot, and short enough range that they're forced to get very, very close. Basically if I do 1 in 5 the unit loses a lot of flavor, I think.

>>51817326
compare them to gal vorbak, vorbak are more expensive and have better stats, but even they don't get power weapons on everyone but 1/5.

>>51817326
Hmmm. The problem is, as I recall the vault-of-hel marines in the BL books were just rocking bolters, they weren't a force with elite equipment. It seems a bit weird for them to get all those options.

>>51817326
Oh, and there's no way for them to get a ride, since everyone treats them as By The Emperor's/Warmaster's Command.

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Cus-to-dees, or Cust-odes?

>>51817377
Cus-toe-days

>>51817109
There are rules converting glancing/penetrating hits into Wounds, but not from Perils.

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>>51817263
I never got back to you a thread or two ago when you asked for colours for the undead IH visor and eyes.

I did
1. Genestealer purple
2. 50/50 genestealer purp, and emperors children.
3. Emperors children

If you want to darken it at any stage use watered down purple wash. Also all metallics were given a very watered down purple wash before I used nuln oil.

Also if you're game you could even try doing it in cracks in the armour, but that's beyond my skill level.

>>51817377
Cuck-sto-des

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>>51817307
Ah fuck, they aren't. Part of the idea was you have to sacrifice some HQ/Elites to keep them running (I intended them to be troops. Should note that.

Why don't I add that techmarines without servitors can join them as if ICs in the abominations rule?

>>51817358
I actually based them partially on Gal Vorbak! My WB friend who I'm on the campaign against first suggested the unit and though they should be a sort of counter to them. I see your point though, so I'll make the Powerfist and plasma gun a 1 in 5 thing.

>>51817377
Curse-toad-ayyy(lmao)s

>>51817377
Cuck-sto-dees

>>51817377
Cuck's Toadies, or Custardos. Both work.

>>51817377
Cursed-stoat-dies.

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>>51817372
Count pic related as immobile rhinos, deploy them on the field at the beginning of the game with... maybe Infiltrate?

Don't know what would be a good points cost

>>51817470
Cargo crates with Storm Bolters?

>>51817470
Ugh why do they have storm bolters and a data sheet.

>>51817377
Cucks-for-big-E.

>>51817484
It's the problem with having a company bar at the design studio - it leads to drunken bets and dumb rules

>>51817482
>>51817484

They really should be heavy stubbers

>>51816379
I don't know why but the marine reminds me of a cat taking a cautious shit in a litterbox. Awesome model and pretty decent paint work though.

>>51817369
Fair point. If I was to make a general vaults of hel squad, I may need to revise the rules. But for the campaign, it's IH trapped on a dying planet, WB closing in from all sides, and all they've got is a fuckload of outlawed technology and dead guys. So that, combined with the fact they feel like a unit that should have anti-organic guns, convinced me to do it. Maybe make the basic gun just a bolter?

>>51817372
Good point. While the model of the year boxes is interesting, I think I'll just let them take a spartan or something. I don't intend usage of vehicles, footslogging blends better with the mindless robozombies, but it may happen.

>>51817429
Thanks man! I was wondering how you did it, but may I also ask how you got him to look so shiny?

>>51817484
>and a data sheet.
wait really
I'm surprised I haven't seen this before

>>51817436
Just have it as an upgrade, much like the vet sergent for 40k marines: put a note saying he can take the same upgrades as the normal tehcmarines ala forgelord

>>51817436
Is the MA a 1 in 5 thing?

>>51817545
the problem with that is that servitors are wargear, so you need to specify that they can't also bring more of them because then you get the wargear-units-in-a-unit quandary (and we already don't want servitors in there anyway)

>>51817518
I used gloss varnish very last on the tops of everything. Top of shoulder, head, backpack etc.

The black itself is 50/50 black and steel. Then washed twice with nuln.

>>51817552
Servitords arent wargear, they are additives to the unit, so the FL cant take them

or just specify they cant take servos

>>51816072
I always thought they were just being spoopy

>>51817482
Hell yeah.
:D

>>51817498
I don't think 'problem' means what you think it means.

>>51817616
I agree, those boxes are great.

>>51817545
Good idea. Do you think there's something I could do with the battles it's rule? Maybe a revive or buff to FNP? Maybe that's too good.

>>51817559
Cool. I use a black/silver mix already, and on my regular guys I use a lot of small green and gray accents to give a very old, weathered feel. The bright, shiny purple will add a great contrast. Thanks!

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>>51817680
Ah crap, forgot to add revised rules. Thanks for the help so far guys!

>>51817659
They'd be better without rules & points though. There's almost no terrain from GW that actually blocks LOS, so if these containers were just LOS blocking lumps that would be great for the game. However but because they have rules/points people generally don't think they're something you can just scatter around the midfield. Seems a missed opportunity. (And yes, you can houserule not to use the building's special rules, but most people use the rules stuff comes with.)

>>51817680
re-roll FNP saves of a 1 could be good. a flat re-roll or a flat +1 would be too good. Could also have him exchange S&P for relentless, whislt he is alive?

thought if he buffs, he should cost something, seeing as he is better.

>>51817691
>free
Come on anon, do you not think there's a bigger difference between a robot and a techmarine than a WE chainsword and a WE chainaxe.
I say 15 points.

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>>51817719
>>51817730
Yeah, upon more extensively looking at the rules he's gonna need to cost 15-20 points at least- his gear is a lot better, and he helps the unit way too much. I like the reroll FNP as an idea, too.

Does SnP confer to the unit? The rule seems to read like that, and if so should I limit him from getting graviton/conversion Beamer?

>>51817253
Wow these sound awesome! What's the average size of a HH game? 2000 points?

Also, are there any units in the WE list that can Scout/Outflank to get into enemy lines even faster?

>>51817820
>Does SnP confer to the unit?
It does. That's why FW is so careful to never use it. When GW did Cataphractii Terminator Captains they were lazy and just gave them SnP, and now we have effectively Relentless Devastator Marines as a result of their lack of foresight.

>>51817886
Average is about 2500, varies from place to place though obviously.

>>51817911
Cool. I'm gonna see how many World Eaters I can field into 2500 points. I think I'm gonna need three Spartan's minimum.

>>51817886
2000 is kind of the bare minimum to make the game work, 2500 is what people usually run to make everything come together well. some armies can work under 2500 or even under 2000, but most typical Legion lists - i.e., the majority of what people play - don't.

Hows this for a 2.5k Soh Legion list for causal beginner-intermediate play?

Long March Rite

Jump Pack Legion Chaplain
Maloghurst

20 man Assault Squad
20 man Tactical Squad CCW & Bolters
2x 5 man Tartaros Terminators Combi-Weapons & Dreadclaw

3x Apothecaries for the Tac, Assault & Heavies
Contemptor Cortus Dread Droppod, Chain fist, Two grav guns & CCW
Mortis Dread TL ML & HKs

10 man Heavy Support with Autocannons & Hardened armour

>>51817903
Okay, then I'll restrict them from taking any heavy stuff.

Cool! I think they look good right now, I'll try and playtest them against some various units this afternoon and see if they come out too powerful or too weak. Thanks a ton guys!

Clan Vurgaan's 27th company is in your debt!

>>51817509
Heavy stubbers are shit tier weapons.

>bolters are ancient relics beyond the resources and capabilities of plebs
>storm bolters and heavy bolters are found on everything

GW logic. I miss the days when IG could get combi-weapons, storm bolters for characters and even bolters for their vets.

>>51818025
What combiweapons have the termis got? Gut feeling looking at that list is not enough anti-tank, but if they have combimeltas it would definitely help.

Also, put one chainfist in every terminator squad to avoid the embarrassment of your elite veterans being unable to scratch a dreadnought.

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>>51818151
Fuck, forgot the rules again. Maybe I need a Techmarine to keep me focused

>>51818187
Forgot to change it plasmas for some AP2 in the list but it may be better to have them as combi meltas instead due my lack of heavy anti armor besides the cortus dread.

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What bits do you lads use for phosphex canisters?

>>51818156
>Heavy stubbers are shit tier weapons.
No, they are civillian/guard teir
like these crates

>>51818193
Eh, honestly, techmerines dont get super good heavy weapons anyway, no point in restricting them IMO

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>>51816421
>paragon spear
>Praesidium Shield

how the fuck are you using both of these

>>51818560
Graviton gun can wreck vehicles, and conversion Beamer is always good. However, the Beamer needs you 48" away to get the good stuff, and since he's in the unit and everyone else only has 18" max guns, it's probably not worth it.

>>51818542
>guard teir

Hey, just like storm bolters!

>>51814328
Looks very nice, although the bronze needs a stronger highlight imo.

>>51818601
one with his left, the other with his right
he just cant get the charging bonus. its basically a paragon blade with lighting attack

>>51818601
Try looking at the rules for them.

How good would Custodes be in Zone Mortalis?
What kind of build would you go for, and what kind of lists would be in or above its tier?

>>51818620
exactly. the gravaton gun, is alright for a close assult unit such as this, but far from OP.

>>51818691
True. I don't intend to use it, but I'll give them the option.

>look at Caedere Weapon profiles
>Rage increasing
Fucking hell, the Caedere Weapons are fucking awful. It makes me so mad.

>>51818796
Tell us what stats you'd give them if you were designing them.

>>51818796
Cool, drop the name.

Quick /hhg/, what special units/characters are blood angels getting?

>>51818838
Raldaron
FW oc
Maybe Amit
Death Company
Sanguinary Guard

>>51818838
Amit is the only one I know, he's the Siggy to Sanguinius' Diggy.

>>51818854
Was death company a thing? Also, maybe grav chariots?

>>51818854
>death company
>during the Heresy

Am I missing something?

>>51818817
>Meteor Hammer
AP4
>Excoriator Chainaxe
AP2
>Twin Falax blades
Replace specialist with two-handed, AP3
>Barb-hook lash
When in a challenge, a model with this weapon may exchange one attack to lower WS and I of their opponent by 1

>>51818877
>>51818921
Forgive me anons, for I fucked up.
I reckon something similar though, they have that Day of Sorrows RoW.

>>51818838
Amit -pure beatstick, does fuck all for your army
Askaellon OR Raldoron - Ral is a buffer, Az is a chopper with Ld or morale buffs
Sanguinary Guard - jump packn close combatn choppy deathfrommabuv unit
Forgeworld Invention Here - Something cool you have to buy loadsaresin for
Sang Guard RoW
Fast/Assault Vehicles RoW
Sanguinius is more OP than Russ and Magnus combined

>>51818992
>Sanguinary Guard
>not being the unit for the Sang Guard RoW

>>51818967
I approve this message.

>>51818838
Stormraven

>>51818967
They don't need major changes, they just need to not be 10 fucking points each.

>>51819291
>implying FW's gonna use non-FW models

If they did, it'd cost the same as a Storm Eagle with shittier rules.

2k alpha legion with some allied mechnicus:

HQ
Viglator, AA, RF, power axe

Troops
Tacs, AA PF,PD,CCW
Tacs, AA, PF,PD, CCW

Elites
Mortis, Khers
Cortis, chainfist,DCCW, EA
2 Apothecary, augury scanners
Fast attack
10 Seekers, AA, PS, [apoth]
Heavy support
Sicaran, lascannon, armored ceramite

HQ
Arch-Magos,ordinator,MC photon thruster
Troops
15 tech thralls, RA CA, IC
15 tech thralls, RA CA, IC
Elites
enginseer Auxilia, laccrymental.


so the plan is, the magos sits with the thralls, and snipes big tanks (str 6, lance, armour bane boi)

vigilator, sits with the seekers and provides BUFFS FOR DAYS

thoughts

>>51819303
I think I might prefer this. Most of them aren't terrible either, just not worth more than five points.
If staying within the "just reduce the cost" framework, the change I'd prefer is to swap Rending to the Chainaxe, and Shred to the Falx Blades, it makes more sense for the hueg axe to be capable of dealing a devastating blow on occasion, and the two small, light blades to deal plentiful attacks on the enemy.

>>51818817
Same as below
>>51818967

Is there an army builder or similar online for Horus Heresy? My excel sheet pooped itself and I lost half the list.

What are people's thoughts on the Caestus Assault Ram and Legion Recon and Seeker Squads?

Also, the Legion Destroyers and Mortitat are literally rad as fuck. Master of Signals seems really good also.