/hhg/ Horus Heresy General

Delete this mess.

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/hhg/ music time.
>Emperor's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06643umEJZg
>Ultramarines and human soldiers vs Word Bears at Calth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL7XS_8qgXM

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Third for the Unbroken Blades

>>51802294
>when Siggy and his boys are out pwning traitors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q6skxRLnsI
>when erebus and kor phaeron are corrupting Lorgar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_NYNuAdIv0

>>51802302
RECIPE

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>>51802322
>mfw that bottom song
That is too fitting.

>Is it working?
>Yes~

Did they fuck, /hhg/

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>>51802322
>Implying Siggi and his lads aren't the War Boys

For shame anon. Haley to the rescue.

>>51802438
Appropriate theme song:
https://youtu.be/xllG3fSUAOw

>>51802302
Count the seven, my good man

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>>51802263
>that pic

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>>51802323
Armour: white primer, very watery ushabti bone, skull white highlight, agrax

Green: catachan green over chaos black

Non-grey metal: leadbelcher, sycorax bronze, runelord brass, ironbreaker highlight, reikland fleshshade, agrax

Threadly question:

Seeing as we always hear about the same few tactics, /hhg/, what are your views on (viability or fair play, either or):

>Spartan deathstars
>Militia and Cults Cult Horde and Tainted Flesh Levy blobs.
>Allies, since I don't see many of them around.
>Knights Errant
>The Extra LoW box that noone ever seems to use.
>Primarch power creep.

>>51802489
How many times are you going to post this?

>>51802489
>The Extra LoW box that noone ever seems to use.
????

>>51802302
I liked these more when they weren't posted in every thread. Skip the next one, make it more of a surprise in the one after.

>>51802489
Hey you.
Do this >>51802526 as well.

>>51802540
Dubs pick next copy-pasta.

>>51802489
>>Spartan deathstars
If you want to put all your eggs in one basket that's fair enough.

>>Militia and Cults Cult Horde and Tainted Flesh Levy blobs.
Never experienced it.

>>Allies, since I don't see many of them around.
Good way of including your second favourite legion. Many rites of war restrict Allies anyway so you sometimes have to play a worse primary detachment to get an ally.

>>Knights Errant
Assuming you mean malcador's chosen then they are pretty expensive for what they do and can end up doing more harm than good but they are an interesting concept and I'm taking one for the fluff anyway.

>>The Extra LoW box that noone ever seems to use.
Never experienced it, no one really want to bring a bunch of superheavies to the table.

>>Primarch power creep.
Annoying, but I'm a dark angel so I'm hoping for my turbo autist Primarch to be super OP.

>>51802512

In the Mechanicum and Legion book there's a boxout before the unit entries start saying other stuff you can bring as Lords of War, mostly the Marauder aircraft, Baneblade variants and such for the Legions, a few lot more variety for the Mechanicum, but I've hardly ever seen it used to bring something interesting in a game. I know there's a WE anon who has a Stormlord, but that's it. No wings of Navy bombers or anything.

>>51802501

>>51802540 was the plan, I just tossed a couple extra topics on there because we've talked about the rest in the last few threads. Was interesting a couple of times, done now.

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>>51802576
Hey Traitors,
My name is Sigismund, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day defying and deifying the Emperor. You are everything bad in the galaxy. Honestly, have any of you ever slain the enemies of Mankind? I mean, I guess it’s fun making fun of imperial citizens because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on warpbook.
Don’t be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I’m pretty much perfect. I have Weapon Skill 7, and 4 Wounds protected by Eternal Warrior. What stats do you have, other than “3s down the line”? I also cause people to reroll successful invulns in a challenge, and have a AP2 Sword (I just slew with her; Shit was SO imperial credits). You are all traitors and non-compliants who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.
Pic Related: It’s me and my tabard

>>51802471
Are you just coating it in Agrax, lightly covering it or being tactical?

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>>51802651
Aight :^)

Virtues of the Sons/Sins of the Father audiodrama anyone?

>>51802770
NO.
Stop fucking asking every thread

>>51802770
Is this ENTIRE thread just going to be copypasta?

>His Automata doesn't have +2S AP2 Shred power claws

Laughing Arlatax.datapict

Is there something like Wahapedia for 30k?

>>51802813
>he uses robots to win battle for him
Stoic Imperial Fist.remembrancer

>>51802825
>not using robots instead of men for the grinder
Laughs in Olympian.audiolog

>>51802825
Have fun playing with your bolters you bunch of dandelions. I'll be over here hanging with my bloops.

Legions a shit, Free Mars.

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>>51802844
>>not using robots instead of men for the grinder
Are the legion and the penal regiments too busy to perform their literal duty or something?

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>>51802887
They are busy serving for the Ironfire.

>>51802263
The Thousand Sons have a cult system where they have 5 different psychic disciplines, each with an associated cult attached to it. Each cult grants a bonus to casting its psychic discipline and a generic bonus for non-psykers. With the Thousands Sons gaining access to new disciplines (Change, Daemonology (Malefic), Geomortis, Sinistrum, Heretech and Ectomancy), what new cults would form and what benefits would those cults grant?

>>51802790
No, as I need help in deciding how to run my Sons of Horace!
I am thinking about running the Black Reaving and cant decide whether to go for my MoS in an Achilles Alpha or use a command squads proteus with explorator array.

Scouting forward and helping everything dropping in while giving a fearless bubble sounds amazing.

Especially since my 2 jump pack toting, 3 melta handling, apothecary accompanied 15 man Reaver squads arrive via outflank. As does the anti tank geared storm eagle with a tac squad and Loken/generic Praetor and another apothecary.

Together with 5 Justaerin with a Multimelta, that is 2500 points.

Does this sound to Melta focused and/or generally bad?

I just want to make Reavers worky as they are cool as fuck.

>>51802911
But they don't have access to any of those disciplines.
You should have posted this here first rather than make a whole thread for it.

>>51802887
We have more bloops than you have legionnaires, they're far superior, can be fixed more easily and are better company. We can also clone our cannon fodder, you can't even equip yours without us.

>>51802857

Preach it, tech-brother. Omnissiah forever, Terra can't do shit.

>>51802931
I mean, they gained access to a bunch of new disciplines in the 40k era.

>>51802669
coating

>>51802961
They didn't form new Prosperine cults, they transitioned to being the Cult Legion of Tzeentch.
They get the Blessing of Tzeentch.
Are you slightly retarded?

>>51802961
They don't have cults in 40k, just bunch of dudes doing their thing, sometimes gathering for bigger projects.

>>51802932
>Omnissiah forever, Terra can't do shit.
Custodes Terran weapons say otherwise.
Hell, even Mars knows this, considering how often they tried to get there mitts on Terran tech during the age of strife.

>>51802911
Santic Daemonology - Nomads, specialists in astral projection and navigating the Great Ocean. Cult Arcana: Reduces Scatter from Deep Strike by 2" or +1 bonus to model/attached unit to enter from Reserve.

Malefic Daemonology - Soulweavers, a post burning of Prospero development. Note that they can never summon models with the Daemon of Khorne rule. Cult Arcana: In close combat reduce Invulnerable saves of enemies by 1, to a minimum of 5++.

Geomancy - Shapers, a specialist cult that sought to terraform Prospero beyond the kine domes of the cities. Cult Arcana: Auto-pass Dangerous Terrain tests.

Technomancy - ???, a minor cult that worked closely with the great minds of the Zhao-Arkkad to develop the Achea-pattern battle-automata. Cult Arcana: FNP 5+, or improve FNP by 1 to a maximum of 3.

>>51802999
Doesn't it take the entire lifetime of a group of techs to make a single one of their speshul bolters? Mechanicum have them WAAAAY beat on volume of manufacture, even just Mars (An irradiated, burnt-out, spoopy ghost infested shithole) vs Terra.(Re-made by the Big E himself)

>>51802999
Congratulations, you can make enough fancy guns to outfit a single division of golden idiots. We make enough to outfit a galaxy, and all the ships that move the Terrans around, and the Titans they use for their abominations. A few clever small-arms really don't cut it. Mechanicum wants the tech, and I suspect there's still a few in Archmagi's private collections, but the Mechanicum is properly huge. They hold a lot of toys that Terra doesn't have an inkling of.

One Vindicator is too few but is 3 too many?

>>51802999
It's a known fact that Terra lacks the manufacturing facilities. That's why only a small elite can benefit from the stuff on Terra.

It's actually funny how Custodes are suppose to have the best shit, yet they got bolters on everything while volkites are being pushed as the superior weapon that's only losing to bolters because they can't make enough of them.

>>51803167
It seems like the best bolters are better than the best volkites but worse but still good bolters are much easier to produce then average volkites.

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I can feel this will be a fun thread

>>51803216
It's more the case of fancy ammo vs. a fancy gun.

Any old bolter can pack an assortment of munitions. Hell, you can stick bolts into shotguns if you want (as seen in Necromunda). The gun itself doesn't weigh in that much. Doesn't the fluff for one of the bolt cannons on the vehicles say that there's only one place that makes ammo for them? Meanwhile volkites just need power and it's the gun that does all the fancy shit.

So a volkite just need the initial investment of the gun and then it'll just get charged with regular batteries. Fancy bolters need a constant feed of that fancy ammo or they're shit out of luck.

Building a not so srs bsns AL list (never played a game, just do the models) and so fat I've got plenty of infantry to infiltrate / deep strike.

But I have no armored spearhead and I'm thinking of a Predator trio with heavy conversion beamers.

Also considering 1 or 2 Venators. Opinions?

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Show me your praetors/other HQ's and tell their stories. I need inspiration.

>>51803286
*far

Not trying to make a super competitive list or anything I just think conversion beams or lasers feel a bit more fluffy for XX than artillery.

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>>51803266
BORK BORK BORK

>>51803266
How about I post a list of what I'm thinking of starting with? Everyone likes lists. Except when they include 30 marines on foot and a leviathan dreadnought, of course.

>Night Lords, 1500 points exactly.

>HQ
Centurion with jump pack, chainglaive, AA, refractor field, fear - 110

>Troops
10 Tactical marines, chainglaive, AA, meltabombs - 150
Rhino - 35

10 Tactical marines, chainglaive, AA, meltabombs - 150

10 Assault marines, 2 power axes, chainglaive, AA, meltabombs (sergeant only) - 220
>Joined by centurion.

>Elites
10 Terror marines, 10 volkite chargers, chainglaive, AA, meltabombs - 275

2 Grav rapiers - 150

>Heavy support
Leviathan dreadnought, storm cannon, claw, 2x heavy flamer - 280

Laser vindicator - 130

>>51803376
>Except when they include 30 marines on foot and a leviathan dreadnought, of course.

>posts a list with 30 dudes on foot and a leviathan

>>51803415
Dat's ze joke.

>>51803415
That's the obvious joke, well done.

>Remember Strayan 30K exists
>Turn on their latest thing
>20 minutes in and all they're doing is crying about how SW, TS and Custodes are popular
>The faggoty one is upset his army isn't the hotness anymore
>The one that plays TS is upset that his army has new players who aren't as elite as he is
>They're both upset that the plastic boxes and Inferno are bringing new players to the game
>They both come a ball-hair from suggesting a house rule in their club that bans new people with those armies but back-pedal when they realise that would be insane

Strayans really are cunts I guess

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>>51802651
kek

>>51803445
I thought that the whole reason that 30k was popular in strayah is because it's cheaper than plastic.

>>51803424
>>51803431
but there's 31 dude on foot

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Hey dioramanon, mind telling me how you did the purple? I honestly think this is the best piece you've made so far- I'm considering starting a hell-vault themed IH army, and this look is perfect for it.

What exactly did you use for the purple/shine?

>>51803532
>even filenamed an IMG
The copypasta jokes were upthread.

>>51803301
I don't have a photo as I haven't made him.
But he's a garrison commander who rebuilt hives as citadels, and he was chosen by the leader of discovery fleet due to his cold nature. As the people of the planet were prone to birthing beastmen, so would require frequent culling

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>>51803601
>As the people of the planet were prone to birthing beastmen
THEY WHAT?!

>>51803601
>people of the planet were prone to birthing beastmen

Fenris?

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>>51803616
1/4 of all children that human parents give birth to are classified as beastmen
Might mention how pertuabo told him to do research on the EoR which was always a sore in Perty's eye but don't want him to be too much of a Sue
>>51803634
>implying I want the faction who I would remove from the fluff to be involved in my own fluff

>>51803478
Dunno, but I'm now half an hour in and apart from the aside into casual racism, they're still crying like little girls about it. Now they've hit on making all the tournies and campaigns they organise invite only so that new players can't get a toehold in the community. One guy is completely triggered by new people and seems to have been raped by a Knight-heavy list in the past.

>>51803572
Badly timed I guess, but I'm 100% serious. I think the purple is neat, and I wanna go for it.

>tfw out of town so no painting
>tfw you also become the eternal iPad poster

>>51802651
How does it feel to get kicked out you own legion, faggot?

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>>51803445
They're like that to everyone.

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>>51803676
EoR?
Also, Hive cities are already fortified...I want to hear about the overforting now that I know your dude is an IW

>>51803776
I thought it was common knowledge it is summer in December in the south hemisphere.

>>51803776
>dat Fallout death screen

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>>51803776
Absolutely everyone.

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>>51803825
The Finnise don't know that.
>>51803887
I figured that's where it's from.
>>51803968
I was going to post that.

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I decided to do my transfers during the basecoat phase. I made a stone power mace like Archamus (Dorns head of bodyguard).

>>51804089
Pin your Thaints

>>51804089
>using the inferior IF symbol

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And the last 4 I did.

>>51804000
This is sort of how I imagine Curzefag, albeit in pale and with spiky teef.

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>>51804198
Blushing marines!

>>51804089
>>51804198
some of those paints look thickish

>>51803676
>implying I want the faction who I would remove from the fluff to be involved in my own fluff

Well, maybe you shouldn't emulate them so much.

>>51803825
What's a summer?

t. Finn

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>>51804232
You don't get it, anon.
Instead of sheer furfagortry, it's the IW tasked with yet another shitty job:
Garrisoning a world of sheer furfagrotry
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Delgas_II
>Shouldn't the wolves guard their kin? And why the fuck are we only ten guys for the whole planet...AGAIN!?

>>51804097
>>51804227
The White and yellow? Because I'm thinking of carefully scratching off the White parts and redoing it. I can't believe I fell for the ulthuan grey meme. I might try white gesso.

>>51804198
>That World Eater's left hand
Seriously dude, wrists are not supposed to do that.

>>51803797
Sorry that should be EoT, as in eye of terror, that which pertuabo canonically sees every moment of his existence.
But yeah it's really ww1 star forts, but with cool stuff like promethium soaked trenches designed to be lost and then burn when the enemy is halfway through like modern minefields.
I wish you could play siege games normally where your opponent has twice as many points as you and it's your job to make the best set of fortifications possible

>>51804232
How does the use of "frequent cullings" emulate the Space Wolves? Fenrisians aren't the ones with a mutation problem. These humans are.

>>51803968
>>51804000
Funnily enough the only Strayan I ever knew was a super polite, lanky as fuck, slightly OCD, really helpful dude in aviation financing while doing an internship in a law firm in Singapore.

I guess I have yet to meet a true Bogan.

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>>51802322
>>51802438
>>51802444
>>51802651

Speaking of Siggi are there any books, short stories or artwork about when he was with the World Eaters and him and Kharn were BFFs.

>>51804408
the one that gave us information that such a thing happened in the first place?
>hey guys do you know where I could find that story of Jesus and the moneylenders?

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>>51804306
>I can't believe I fell for the ulthuan grey meme
Heh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE
>>51804318
>But yeah it's really ww1 star forts, but with cool stuff like promethium soaked trenches designed to be lost and then burn when the enemy is halfway through like modern minefields.
That Hardens my armour
>I wish you could play siege games normally where your opponent has twice as many points as you and it's your job to make the best set of fortifications possible
There are a few missions in books 3 and 4 that could be useful, and you could use some Planetary Onslaught missions and WT to truly behave like Iron Warriors vs Imperial Fists or similar siegers.
Either that or the Sentinels of Terra's supplement for Fists and the Siege Assault Vanguard for the IWs.
Unification's WT recopilation is also a good set to use. Some of them.
At least the IW's WTs are, his Fists table is as OP as my DG's :^)

>>51804299
It's like reverse cold.
Instead of mucus everywhere, respiratory diseases, shaking and sluggish hands you get sweaty and think you're melting, drink in hours the water you'd drink in a whole day and get gastric tract diseases.

Nothing like tropical coast climate, warm and humid all year round. I miss home

>>51803776
Which legion best represent Australia?

>>51804335
Didn't say anything about the culling.

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>>51804408
There's a brief excerpt of them duelling in the short story Templar, but it's literally just the two (and a bit) pages screencapped here. Other than that, I don't know.

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>>51804408
Butcher's Nails has Kharn remembering Amit and Sigismund's time at the Gladiator pits, where Siggy learned the habit of chaining his knightly weapons to his gauntlets and was nicknamed The Black Knight.
Yeah, that "totally BT" tradition? A WE thing.
Kharn reflects on having to face those two as enemies now.

>>51804408
Was he actually BFF with Kharn? He got the chains from the gladiatorial fights and hebwas fighting with Raldoron IIRC.
ADB turned that into Kharn and Argel Tal having homo sex, rather than Kharn and Siggy.

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How mandatory are spartans? I feel like every lists I see either takes one or has a very good reason not to take one. I want to get some resin crack and was considering a leviathan but now I'm thinking the spartan might be a must-buy.

Pic related, painted in many thin coats by our lord and savior.

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>>51804199
That is now my headcanon. Maybe some proper editing can fix that.
>>51804303
Where is the Legionare hair care edit?
>>51804473
The one with all of the crazy stuff.

>>51804473
Don't know about legion, but in terms of being a massive desert full of batshit deadly wildlife Baal is probably closest to Oz.

Anyone with the Inferno book, do you know anything more about the Sons of Horus presence at Prospero?

>>51804523
I don't own a Spartan, and do just fine.

The number of people in the LGS that still field their spartan has been on a steady decline ever since my Saboteur has been on a roll

>>51804497
Why is Kharn trying each weapon in turn before choosing (surprise surprise) the war axe? I don't get it.

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>>51804526
>>51804557
>Borealia and Das-mania wildlife is obviously of Tyranid origin, proving they had been here once, even before the Imperium was a thing.
>Magos, not all venomous animals are tyranid in origin!

>>51804598
Because it's a game to him. Some people play vidya, some play tabletop, the WE do gladiator fights. It's their passtime.
I was more surprised by that Blood Angel sword being there, especially now that the Sword of Double Wounding is a thing.
I doubt it's Amit's, but the sword probably cvame with him.

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>>51804605
Now what are the Emus of 40k?

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>>51804089
>>51804198
I'll stick to the positive points comment that you made lovely conversions, (save the unnatural WE arm), your enthusiasm/creativity is palpable from them, they fit the legions' aesthetics very nicely.

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>>51804656
The Emperor Himself spread the word that the Sinistramanus was powered by the interaction of Alpha Psykers and Pariahs, but He did it to protect us from the truth.
Sinistramanus Emubrae

>>51804523
Thing is, if you have one, in order to get the most out of your prohibitively expensive box you need to fill it with scary stuff, and then you need to give them a HQ or Primarch because you may as well use the Retinue there, then it's probably worth giving them Feel No Pain with a Medicae, and so on and so forth until it's half your army.
And then some 200pt Lightning Fighter blows it to bits and the deathstar gets shelled to oblivion because everyone's prepared for that exact thing twice over.

So no, you really don't need a Spartan, and in fact it's probably been an active detriment to a few of my opponents thanks to presenting an excellent target for my harassing Thallax and my Lightning or Vulturax. Most Legions don't need one for the Primarch anyway, and the Sallies and Iron Hands, the ones who kind of do have good ways to make it better-armoured (Ferrus IWND, Obsidian-forged) and good troops to put inside it. Even they can manage well with a Land Raider IMO, don't need a billion Terminators just to keep the enemy squad off the Hammertime.

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>>51804706
Holy mother of the Emperor no.

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>>51804732
Now you shall live in fear as well.

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>>51803301
Anyone?

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I posted these guy last week, and have now largly finished them.

next step: how the fuck do i base good? i have some static grass, but all static grass looks weird. any suggestions?

>>51805008
For some that'd be even scarier

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>>51805015
HONK

>>51805026
Please don't, Kyme might see it and reinvent Sevetar as a scary clown or something.

>>51805011
Some sand and paint it black with grey drybrush for GRIMDARK FUTURE SAND.

>>51805011
Martian ironearth might contrast quite nicely.

>>51805049
Isn't is already clowny that the First Captain of a legion doesn't have a 2+ save?

>>51805088
And an AP3 weapon.

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>>51805008
The Night Haunter!

>>51805128
Do Night Lords know how magnets work?

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>>51803301
I feel kinda bad/lazy to talk about it, considering I haven't made him yet.

Assigned to a backwater planet, simolt called 115, with his Iron Warriors, in defence to a nearby Forgeworld. Known to be a massive cunt, but he decided to execute decimation umon his marines himself, so I'll model him with blood on his fists.
Since they were there and had nothing to do, his troops started to fortify the world, and in turn mades sorta friendships with the locals.
The higher echelons, including him, thought that was bullshit, being puny humans and all.

However the nearby Forgeworld decided to join the Warmaster's cause at the start of the Heresy, and to start taking the planet's inhabitants for Dark Mechanicus bullshit. His troops forced him to go into battle to try and save the population, otherwise he would have been gunned down. He would have been far happier to just leave the Cognoys be and rule over his own little world.

Since they were right by the Forgeworld's doorstep, there wasn't much they could do, and he ordered a hasty evacuation after being roughly curbstomped by the vastly more numerous armies of the Mechanicus.
Decided to "mercy-kill" the rest of the inhabitants by nuking it from orbit, and has since then been driven to fight against the Dark Mechanicus in other places, again, under the tangible threat of rebellion from his men if he did not do so.

So basically a cunt forced to fight, otherwise he would have been happy to sit this one out and be a modest tyrant.

>>51804473
militia

>>51805144
>the positive magnet fears the positive magnet, and flees from it
>similarly, the negative magnet fears and flees from the negative magnet
>most interesting

>>51805015
>>51805026
>>51805049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LUiWgwYC_I&t=1s

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Is there any speculation of what the Firewing will specialize in? Maybe Dark Angels Automatons?

>>51805072
Dosent that look boring as sin?
>>51805087
thats the red on on the skitarii right?

>>51805072
Black sand already exists, usually near volcanoes.

>>51805545
>Dosent that look boring as sin?
With a black model, yes, it definitely does, unless you go the extra mile on making a bright glowy lava base for it.

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>>51803301
Not exactly my Praetor but it goes like this:
The company of this grand battalion was stationed on a forge world with support from Local Solar Auxilia Cohorts, far away from the main fleet they would ensure the security of the Planetary system.
The Primus Medicae and the Praetor/Warsmith are always together, and the Medicae was known for his notorious will of a Warrior, he was called "the Red tyrant" since he would force troops back to battle if it serves victory.
As the heresy broke out, and the company developed a deep bond with the will of the Tagmatha and the Auxilia Cohort, they decided to stay loyal to the cause, but would turn all against the Imperium at the end.
Since they were far up from the main fleet, they tried to leave a distress call for the world, sadly recieved by the Imperial Fists which was a part of the force of the Retribution Fleet that fought on Phall. Filled with hatred, the fists declared all the Warriors traitors and so the company was forced to fight against their brothers even when they never intended to fight against them in the first place.
Since they would never want to become the planet a wasteland,which they conquered, rebuilt and refitted, they left the cohort and the tagmatha forces there, declaring that they failed to raise a riot for the warmasters cause there, and retreating.
They never rejoined the IW main force and decided to stay indipendent from them.

>>51805008
>>51805015
Honestly if the space marines killed a whole bunch of people while staying entirely in-character as clowns, it would drive home to the enemy that the space marines have no compunction about murdering as many of them as necessary to make them surrender, thereby accomplishing the goal of getting the enemy into a defeated mindset.

>>51805570
What were they thinking when they approved that sculpt?

fluff scans when?

>>51804518
Nah. Sigismund just liked the fighting pits and was good at it, which got most of the World Eaters appreciating him for providing a good fight. Kharn and Sigismund weren't friends beyond fighting together.

>>51805049
Let's be real here, NL are this close to being clowns already

>white facepaint
>red 'paint'
>blue garish 'costumes'

That the white facepaint is for making skulls, the red paint is actually blood and the funny, batwing-eared costumes are actually power armour is the only thing that seperates them from real clowns.

>>51805564
Gotta say, not a fan of lava. everyone and their dog seems to do lava termintors.

Did the alpha legion have any big battles on special terrain?

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>>51805705
Nurth, sand

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>>51803301

>>51805705
I hear they often fought on Goblin Green.

Legion-specific tartaros shoulder pads when?

>>51805705
I'm doing Martian Ironearth drybushed with Ryza Rust for a nice deep orange.

Does anyone have the Roboute Guilliman Primarch Book? It's not in any of the MEGAs as far as I've seen, and I'm kinda curious about Bobby G's past.

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>>51806333
never, learn to transfers like a real man

buy some micro sol and micro set, they're better than doing it the GW way and getting shitty results

>>51805705
There is the Asteroid Infiltration they do in Legion, could make some cool bases with that.

There's also the Invasion of Paramar V, which is a Mars-like Forge World.

It's attendant Fleet Anchorage of Pharaeon is also a cool indoor setting, a gigantic starbase basically.

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Friendly reminder that the only thing Angron wanted was to die with his brothers and sisters, the Emperor is such a dickhead.

>>51806512
That is a great fucking idea. i really like it. but how to do space base? deck plating and rocky asteroids? could work

>>51806759
I never got why the Emperor didn't just land and kill all the chucklefuck slavers.

>emperor my son
>yuo are men now
>you must have choose
>secure loyalty of warrior-son-god who you will have leading an army of supermen to crusade through galaxy and remov xeno
>or protect one planet of assholes?

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>>51802263

Thoughts on bases for black-armored chapters/legions?

I'm specifically doing RG but it's a problem shared by RG/IH/DA/Deathwatch/BT

for my grey knights I did desert basing, still not sure where to go for RG legion.

>>51806828
Because ADaddyissuesB.

>>51806759
Is this the same Angron who hated the nails and what they made him so much he decided to replicate the technology and bash it into the heads of 100,000 warriors basically turning them into chain axe wielding mega tards? That Angron?

Question: if my Thousands Sons Moritat is a member of the Corvidae cult, does that mean he gets to reroll 1s in his Chain Fire?

>>51806876
That's not true, the WE legion embraced the nails freely in the doomed hope of getting closer and reaching an understanding of their primarch/father.

r8 list. 2.5k RG decapitation strike :
maun
10x vets with 8x combi-meltas 2x meltas. meltabomb (machine killers if the enemy is vehicle heavy/spartan, sniper if the opponent isnt.)
10x vets with 8x combi-meltas 2x meltas. meltabomb (machine killers if the enemy is vehicle heavy/spartan, sniper if the opponent isnt.)
10x mor deythan 7x combi-plasmas 3x plasmaguns. meltabomb
10x mor deythan 7x combi-flamers 3x plasmaguns, meltabomb. rhino with dozerblade
5x recon marines, combi melta, meltabomb
5x recon marines, combi melta, meltabomb
5x recon marines, combi melta, meltabomb
10x seekers with 10x combi-plasmas, meltabomb.
7x dark furies, meltabomb.
7x dark furies, meltabomb.

the tactic is to murder everything turn 1.

>>51806978
*no recon marines, instead 2x 10x tactical squads with meltabomb/combi melta.

the recon would be with recon company, obviously, also maun would be swapped out.

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>>51803301
Terran vet, hates Curze, loves boarding actions in space, isn't afraid of anything, fuck horus and fuck the emps, in midnight clad.

>>51806873
Emps refusing to intervene is old fluff, though, long before ADB even knew what an Astartes even was.

>>51806862
The only acceptable color for bases is Goblin Green! REEEE!

>>51806978
No drop pods? Not even for the melta vets?

>>51806873
Wrong, faggot. After Desh'ea was written by Matt Farrer. Mr. Shira Calpurnia that /tg/ loves to jerk off to.

>>51807036
nah saves points to just infiltrate them

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>>51806978
dude how are you going to get in range too "murder everything" turn 1? how are you going to survive any arty, tanks, robots, ceramite or simple upgrades like auspex that nullifies your infiltrate plans?

>>51806910
As long as you didn't move in Movement and Chain Fire counts as a Shooting Attack. Precognitive Strike says rolls plural, so it would be every 1.

>>51807065
>dude how are you going to get in range too "murder everything" turn 1?
everything infiltrates, MDs/seekers infiltrate and scout. you have a 87% chance of first turn so you move 6 and shoot everything.

>>51807044
>Mr. Shira Calpurnia that /tg/ loves to jerk off to.
Literally never heard of him.

>>51806873
McNeil wrote the story of Angron's slave rebellion and subsequent kidnapping by the Emperor 12 years before ADB wrote about him.

>>51807092
then if that is the case you would take barebones rhinos with multimeltas as well, move 6 and then disembark 6, now you have doubled your range and also another melta? maybe even throw in some missiles on the hulls?

>>51807064
I just fear they'll struggle to get to within 6" of their target tank turn 1 just infiltrating.

>>51803445
Which podcast was this?

>>51803301
Venerable Brother Methuselah was among the first members of the First Legion to be created. He served in the Unification Wars on Terra and lost his left arm during the purge of the Thunder Warriors.

At the time of the Heresy he leads a crack team of Terran and Calibanite veterans as a hard-hitting, mobile strike force. The Heresy did not shock Methuselah as it did many others, it wasn't the first time his legion had to kill those they had called allies and he doubts it will be the last.

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>>51807044
>Shira Calpurnia
>Mr.

Umm...

>>51807110
Crossfire, Legacy and Blind (aka. Enforcer omnibus).

>>51804089
>>51804198
What are the recipes for the DG and the UM?

>>51807144
>then if that is the case you would take barebones rhinos with multimeltas as well, move 6 and then disembark 6
dont need it one the scouting units (except the flamer guys). since you are already scouting 6" + moving 6", should put you easily within plasma rapid fire range of everything.

rhinos and drop pods points add up fast and the biggest benefit RG/AL get from infiltrate is saving 100's of points on transports.

the rending/shred flamer unit is going to scout 12" move 6" disembark 6" and kill whatever it wants. the 20x plasmaguns are scotuing 6" moving 6" and going to rapid fire easily.

the vets are only ones that need to be positioned more carefully/could use DTs, but they are only really there in case i need to can open a spartan turn 1 and kill the deathstar turn 1, or deal with knights.

>>51807163
Not him but he's talking about the author. Same way you could call James Swallow, Mr. "Blood Angels."

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>>51807161
My nigga, same kind of fluff for my 1st Legion force. He's the First, the first marine ever made that survived the process. Hand made by the Emperor, he's not the strongest, fastest or smartest, but he is marked by fate to survive

>>51807150
oh im counting on just using them at 12" since armored ceramite is everywhere anyway. with machine killers they are s9 ap1 at 12", should handle anything.

against lists without spartans or big armor they just take sniper and can nuke whatever they want at 12" with sniper meltaguns

>>51807138
Which he took from the story of Spartacus, whose rebellion ended with his army getting wiped out but no trace of Spartacus' body.
At least that's the legend.

So unfortunately any question of why the HH story did that is based on the og author's choice of source material for inspiration. Everybody else just has to work with it.

>>51806468
Cute opinion, but you're wrong. Real men freehand their markings.
Transfers were invented so kiddos like you could feel all grown up.

>>51807231
Fair enough. Shine on, you crazy diamond.

>>51807243
It's almost like it's no different from everything else in 40k that was based on something else but now forms the core of the setting...

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>>51807205
mhmmm I see your point and would be keen to see this in action on the table a few times. Flooding the board with infiltrating+scout+maun for first turn stealing has potential and the biggest appeal for me is if it works having a force with no tanks. That said though not getting turn one will make for a short game.

>>51807277
think i should model most of the bolters/combi-bolters as being silenced? i think im going to just to make them look more like operators operating operationally.

>>51807161
>Methuselah
Good name, I like you.

No scans yet of the Inferno fluff?

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>>51804526

>>51807427
Yes, there is.

>>51807400
>That said though not getting turn one will make for a short game.
yeah. kek, it would get ugly.

i think that the recon company might actually be the better set up for it. switch maun with a delegatus and the 2 tac squads for 3x recon squads. then all the infiltrators get shrouded first turn, and you still have the same %chance to go first. also the md/seekers army already have stealth so youd have a 4+ cover in open ground turn 1.

ill probably run it with recon company more often than decap 2bh, thats why i fucked up the first list post.

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>>51807455
Thank you. Have a Polandball comic.

so presumably prior to Magnus frying the system, the golden throne didn't drain life force and was essentially a way to amplify psychic ability to such extent that the infection of the webway could be totally neutralised? After being fried it still functioned to some extent and ended up needing to absorb thousands of souls to function.

>>51807468
Well then I'm blind cause I can't see it. Got a link to it?

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>>51806862
In my case, I use neutral greys and browns with some colour spots, it provides enough contrast but not enough that the model looks off in it.

My army is all done with this subtler, pseudo-monochrome scheme that IMO fits well with the RG sneeki breeki tactics, the base and the mini go well together, creating nice contrast without needing to add much colour variation.

>>51807477
Who makes these things?
>>51807486
>the infection of the webway could be totally neutralised
What.

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>>51807495
I was lying.

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>>51807477
Don't polandball is cancer, memeballs is where we're at. Also does anyone have screen caps of anon pulling an istavaan 5 and that other anon pulling a paramar and blowing up 5x his points with all his strategems

>>51806919
Kinda like how an abused husband or wife will make excuses for their spouse despite being beaten and harmed yeah.

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>>51807516

>>51807502
I don't know.
>>51807542
Ah. Now that hurts. Some of those memeballs are pretty decent.

>>51807542
>Polandball is cancer guise!!1!
>But muh autismo ancap memeball is totally cool dudes. It's [current year], get on with the new memes.

Nope, both are shitty memes made by underaged spergs like you to feed your retarded humour. Please keep them out of this thread.

>>51807572
>I don't know.
Does anyone? Do they even have a source? Has anyone even considered it?

Now I'm not saying they're some sort of living, breeding meme, but it's almost certainly some sort of living, breeding meme.

>so many fucking BL books about Iron Hands and Salamanders
>No books about Death Guard (Flight of the Eisenstein maybe) and not nearly enough about the Raven Guard

>>51807613
>so many fucking BL books about Iron Hands

Hold your horses, son, there's not that many.

Why does Eidolon keep getting put in charge of shit? He just seems to fail every time.

>>51807613
Yeah, those poor IH and S bastards, the DG and RG have it so lucky.

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>>51807611
We should drop it. It will lead to pointless spreging. There is a wiki for it.
>>51807613
>>No books about Death Guard
Son, that's wrong.
>>51807630
Fulgrim likes his hair.

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>>51806862
>>51807498
I play a shitload of ZM so spaceship bases for me, it was that or grey earth and snow bases. This way they will match/counter my DG force and my ZM board+mat at least.

>>51807645
>swiggty swooty I'm coming for that booty

>>51805487
Not! SPESS napalm

>>51807161
Our forces should team up to purge traitors together. My guy is Paladin Eilam Cephas, I posted fluff for him in the last thread.

>>51807630
>Faildolon

Well, it's quite evident that all the traitor legions needed somebody to fail at everything, otherwise they'd have literally zero flaws.

Don't you remember Chaos is best stepdad? :^)

Hey /hhg/!

Can Imperial Fist Tartaros Terminators take Storm Shields?

Been looking over this for the last couple days, but everyone on the internet seems to have a different judgment on it. Obviously, it's the best pick for Fists, and even 1d4chan says there's no reason to not do it. But some people are saying that only Cataphractii can, some say Indomitus and Caraphractii can, others say all three can.

I'm so confused...

>>51806828
Khorne had possessed them, so if they died just the soil would be possessed
Better question is why didn't he mind wipe them like how he mindwiped Horus and Sanguinius

>>51807613
What, there is a shitload of Raven G books.

>>51807710
>muh nails

Should've just left Angron to die and gotten Kharn to lead the WE

>>51807664
Isn't that Dreadwing territory

>>51807219
>first space marine
This had to be bait

>>51807726
The Warhounds wanted to see their daddy, and there were rumors that Papa Warhound was already dead and it hit them a little too close to home.

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>>51807542
>Also does anyone have screen caps of anon pulling an istavaan 5 and that other anon pulling a paramar and blowing up 5x his points with all his strategems
Yes, both

>>51807138
What book?

>>51807708
>But some people are saying that only Cataphractii can
Well, they're retarded.

Strictly RAW, only Cata and Idom can, but most'll let your Tartar take it if you ask nicely.
Of course, you could have just looked that up in the actual rulebook, spooners must me spoonfeed.

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>>51807641
>Fulgrim likes his hair.
What little there is of it. Seriously, Fulgrim thinks Eidolon is so ugly he makes a point of always walking ahead of the guy just so he doesn't have to look at his face. Fulgrim thinks poop smears are beautiful, but Eidolon is just too ugly to look at.

>>51807726
he shouldve just nuked the planet and just rolled the WE into the smurfs

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>>51807542

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>>51807793
Chaos not even once.

>>51807502
Teenagers who got bored of minecraft and like history so went to /his but got banned so went to /b

>>51807793
Im glad someone finally put Eidolon in his place

>>51807822
Fulgrim did kill Eidolon by decapitationTM, but Bile sewed his head back on. ECs are Ork Rokkas.

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WILL THE DARK MEHANICUS EVER BE AN ARMY OF ITS OWN?!

>>51807869
>Draykavac
>Scoria
>Satarael
Gee, if only.

>>51807869
Yes, in Angelus. Come on anon, keep up.

>>51807759
>>51807219
Yeah, literally the first? I suppose when you have Astelan saying he was in the first ever induction batch there's a precedent for things like >>51807161 and his Methuselah, but literally the first ever?

>>51807788
I did look it up in the rulebook, but upon Googling people's work on modeling them (mostly looking for good shields to use for them, I don't want to use basic 40k ones) I saw the discussion, which spurred my interest, and what leads us here.

No need to be sour, Anon. Just because someone is asking a question doesn't mean they haven't done research, themselves. I just figured you guys might have clarified the issue, and I trust your word, more.

>>51807787
Just this little thing called Index Astartes.

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>>51807604
But it's not just ancap
>>51807630
He gives the best head, thanks to Fabius replacing his throat with a parasite from Murder
>>51807708
No they can't, otherwise there would be no point in taking IF cataphracti or regular
>>51807726
>wanting a rebellion that early on
>>51807780
Danke, now if you need me I'll be in the barbed wire factory

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>>51807868
It all makes sense now.

>>51807710
>mindwiped Horus and Sanguinius
Huh?

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>>51807929
I love this kind of silly pics
>>51807926
This is ANCAP, right?
> otherwise there would be no point in taking IF cataphracti or regular
True. And this is a FW inner wording, unlike GW's external wording making squad-wide meltabombs a fucking meme.

>>51807921
>INDEX ASTARTES OS NOT CANON ALSO MY NAME IS MASUXLINE

why didnt the emperor just listen to malcador and make the primarchs girls

>>51807886
Isnt Satarael loyalist?

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>>51807929
Now this meme I like.

>>51807966
When they conquered Moloch, the emperor mind wiped the primarchs so they wouldn't know chaos existed

>>51807992
Because girls are icky. We want entire xenos species dead, we don't want to give them cooties, we aren't barbaric.

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>>51807997
>>51807982
Got anymore of those?

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>>51807994
You see, the fluff says he sides with Horus...but I'm not finding the Traitor Only restriction on his Taghmata Omnissiah entry so, like loyalist Deathshrouds, he's game.

>>51807064
augury scanners are a thing you know. and they're not rare. Take this coming from a fellow RG player, you want other options than pure infiltrate, otherwise you will struggle.

>>51806978
You don't even have valid compulsory troops, are basically wasting the point of decap (no pods which is the entire point more or less)

in a recon company it fares better, but you will not always be able to infiltrate where needed, so have contingencies for what happens if you don't. Full inflltration also leaves you incredibly vulnerable to deployment issues in "clash of the line" and "Ambush" deployment maps

>>51807893
>>51807759
Dow e have an actual source on the first space marine actually made? Like any hard canon about the first ones made?

>>51808103
All I know is Erebus personally talked to Argel Tal's father

>>51807793
Well then I rightly don't have a clue. He looks like crap, his personality is shit, and his competency as a commander is somehow worse than either of those aforementioned qualities. Manpower shortages?

>>51808103
Unless something in the black books goes over it, I think the closest info is that Astelan says he was in the first ever intake of 5,000 and obviously he made it through.
Whether all those dudes came from Siberia or they were from different parts of Terra, I dunno.

>>51807890
im sorry fellow anon, i've been out of the loop for sometime due to work and life, i guess there are getting an army, but are or would they be getting an army for 40k you think?

>>51808091
>augury scanners are a thing you know.
doesnt matter the whole force is planning on infiltrating 18" away anyway.

augury scanners only really hurt deepstrikers because of intercept, most of the time you are infiltrating 18" away anyway.

can always just outflank the army if i needed to

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>>51808149
>Whether all those dudes came from Siberia or they were from different parts of Terra, I dunno.
I doubt it, Siberia (Ursh/URSS?) was a bad place.
We also know Endryd Haar, Autek Mor and Cassian Dracos were from the first batch of their respective legions..

>>51807205
>rhinos and drop pods points add up fast and the biggest benefit RG/AL get from infiltrate is saving 100's of points on transports.

Actually, I'll disagree with that statement. the biggest benefit we get is not saving costs on transports, as often they are needed to move around toward objectives and react, or to shit gears when augury scanners cause a wrinkle.
The actual benefit is that we can still go first after dictating deployment to the enemy. With very few exceptions pretty much everything can scout/infiltrate/outflank, which allows you to effectively null deploy in the majority of situations, forcing an opponent to set up and then leaving you the opportunity to counter-deploy while still holding the turn initiative. That alone is what makes alpha strikes brutally effective as you can pinpoint weak spots easily.

your current list does have several MASSIVE weaknesses:
>Augury scanner blanket from apothecaries, techmarines, and consuls prevent you from using LoS to get within 12" then scout from there.
>if you get seized on, which can happen, you will often have to deal with major casualties from volume of fire, especially as you will be in range for major reprisal.
>any assault units you take that infiltrate (which they can RAW but FW RAI as confirmed by designers is that they have FC only) will not be able to charge because of BRB prohibitions.
>reserve-heavy lists such as orbital assault and drop assault vanguard can perform an easy second strike on your forces because you have no alternate deployment strategies, and as current FW and BRB rules, they only lose if they have nothing on the board at end of GAME turn, not PLAYER turn.

Any tips on building SoH army that doesn't incorporate Drop Pods/Dreadclaws?

>>51808248
>>51808268
Yeah, I guess the region that was Ursh wasn't pacified until much later, Astelan just says that the peoples of the Sibran Plains, where he lived, were the first regional grouping of humans to join the Emperor's armies after the Thunder Warriors conquered it.

While we know of many marines from other legions were in their respective first intake batches (Ahriman, Qruze as well), the first unit of the First Legion was supposedly trained and deployed before the other legions had active forces; Astelan claims he was literally one of the first ever space marines.

Of course we must note that Astelan is a known manipulator of the truth, though I don't think he's lying about this, his pride and arrogance about being there from the start and serving personally under the Emperor are the basis of his character.

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>>51803301
Zealous if unremarkable Centurion that was given a battalion after Istvaan V and tasked with drawing scattered loyalist forces to battle by enforcing violent traitor compliance and committing atrocities against loyalist worlds. Not the best for the job but after Istvaan III and V there weren't many good officers that could be spared for the task. They are eventually pinned down by a large loyalist retribution force and miss the muster for the jump to Terra. They make their way to the Siege and after operating on their own for much of the rebellion are horrified at what has become of their Legion and their supposed allies. The battalion evacuates before the Siege ends and they go Blackshield during the Scouring.

>>51808296
>Augury scanner blanket from apothecaries, techmarines, and consuls prevent you from using LoS to get within 12" then scout from there.
doesnt matter, i built the list to be within LoS anyway since most of the killers have scout anyway. 18 inch deployment, scout 6 move 6 rapid fire 12 will cover anything. scanners wont effect it i was planning on being in LoS anyway.
>if you get seized on, which can happen, you will often have to deal with major casualties from volume of fire, especially as you will be in range for major reprisal.
yeah thats an unavoidable problem though. ill be running it with recon company most of the time, so the shrouding (and stealth on most units) would help.
>any assault units you take that infiltrate (which they can RAW but FW RAI as confirmed by designers is that they have FC only) will not be able to charge because of BRB prohibitions.
yeah they are just the turns 2-3 clean up crew, if i was running maun id probably just DS them turn 2 if i felt like it. they are just there as clean up
>reserve-heavy lists such as orbital assault and drop assault vanguard can perform an easy second strike on your forces because you have no alternate deployment strategies
id just outflank most of the army and hide the rest in cover (mostly with shrouded if running recon company, also some units have stealth too)

can maun buy camoline? im going to run a delagtus with camo + recon company most of the time, but for decap it would be good if maun could buy camo

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this is who I picture when I think of the Lion

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>>51808382
Where were you when I called for you?
An anon wanted a helmet to model pic related and I couldn't referr him to your image.

>>51808423
>Kyyyyyyyyr Vhaaalen

>>51808389
he can.

I urge you to consider at least packing rhinos for recon company, as the thing you are not considering is that while ignores cover is rare, it does exist and could easily cause you a game loss by removing your units in cover (I've made this mistake only once and learned from it)

have a plan to deal with typhons, have a plan to deal with drop-podding grav-bombard leviathans, have a plan for phosphex spam and other barrage threats that force you to take your weaker saves.

>>51808006
Which book is this in?

>>51808488
I forgot it. I was mindwiped too.

>>51808425
I've been so far behind with these threads =/

>>51808488
Vengeful Spirit

I'm pretty sure

>>51808459
>I urge you to consider at least packing rhinos for recon company, as the thing you are not considering is that while ignores cover is rare, it does exist and could easily cause you a game loss by removing your units in cover (I've made this mistake only once and learned from it)
yeah, but theyd also have to seize on you first though, its a bad situation but unlikely
>have a plan to deal with typhons,
20 s9 meltaguns would deal with them... im tempted to make the vet squads mor deythans with all the meltaguns instead though, since its only like 30-40 points more (costs the same as a DT would), and theyd get BS5, scout and stealth. but i think mathematically they do less hullpoints than s9 melta does. honestly the 1x meltabomb per unit nerf pisses me off, since it wouldve worked nicely.

still, MD's with twin-linked rending s8 melta shots would be able to force through a lot of hull points.
>have a plan to deal with drop-podding grav-bombard leviathans,
yeah they would be a good counter unit, but the plasma and meltaguns would smash them, especially if i just outflanked turn 2 instead.
>have a plan for phosphex spam and other barrage threats that force you to take your weaker saves.
id be plasmagunning/meltagunning all of them. i mean the list essentially has like 45 plasma/meltaguns

think seekers are worth it? honestly the whole set up would probably be better running all the units as just mor deythan instead (theoretically of course since you cant take 5 MD squads)

>>51802438

Where is that from, it's pretty fucking metal.

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>>51808425
I knew about >>51808382, hell, I made the Joey edit of it. But it's not the same helmet. For some reason GW has to keep putting bigger and bigger face plates on those types of helmet. IF only they'd make ones like on the dude in pic related. That's the MkIII helmet I want, not whatever FW made.

The DG helmet, from what I've been told, was an uncorrupted version of one found on the plague marine conversion kit that FW never released. And those models look like they're emulating the style of old plague marines, which, according to sources, had MkII and III helmets (MkII helmet on MkIII bodies and MkIII helmets on MkIV bodies).

>>51808718
>tfw GW will never release a model as cool as these again

>>51808776
Shame, I really liked that style of MkIII over the FW one. At least I got that dude from ebay to lead my Breachers.

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>>51808661
they don't need to seize on you if you outflank to counter leviathans and what remains gets shot off the board.

I get you like the idea, but you're not fire dragons, "meltagun" isn't the answer to everything :P

>>51808674
Shadowsword, I think.

>>51808674
>>51808941
Yep, it's Shadowsword, Emperor's Champion versus a Keeper. An interesting bit of action in a treadhead book

>>51808661
>still, MD's with twin-linked rending s8 melta shots would be able to force through a lot of hull points.
Rending double tap from a plasma does more against AV14 than rendinf melta does through sheer volume. It's something like 3HPs off AV14. Thats enough to finish one off or maim it and set it up for something else.

>>51808926
>"meltagun" isn't the answer to everything :P
true. honestly just running 3x MD squads with all plasma + flamer MDs + Plasma seekers would probably be better. i think mathematically twin-linked BS5 rending plasmaguns > s9 (or s8 rending) meltaguns... but i dont want 40 plasmas, seems boring :^).

think for my shooters i should try something like:
10x MDs, 5x combi-melta, 2x combi-plasma, 2x meltaguns, 1x plasmagun
10x MDs, 5x combi-melta, 2x combi-plasma, 2x meltaguns, 1x plasmagun
10x MDs, 6x combi-plasma, 1x combi-melta, 1x meltagun, 2x plasmagun
10x MDs, 7x Combi-Flamers, 3x Plasmaguns, rhino
10x seekers, 2x combi-melta, 8x combi-plasma.

or something? im kind of leaning towards it, in a recon company, and the camo delagatus would join the seekers. so id have 50x BS 5 marines with stealth (and shrouding first turn), 40x of them would have scout, 30x of them would be able to rend any vehicles to death with plasma/melta, and would have utility meltabombs/meltaguns
>>51809021
yeah i know, but personally from a model perspective i wouldnt want to own just like 40x marines with only combi-plasmas. kek

>>51809103
>yeah i know, but personally from a model perspective i wouldnt want to own just like 40x marines with only combi-plasmas. kek
But a billion meltas is ok? Or spamming MD? Thats a weird place to draw the line.

>>51809103
>>yeah i know, but personally from a model perspective i wouldnt want to own just like 40x marines with only combi-plasmas. kek
So having 4 of the same unit with a small mix of different speical weapons is any better? Spamming ine unit is pretty meh in this game. As IH I don't spam one type of tank

What's the point of marine model/units when vehicles/tanks are more point- and $- efficient?

Poorfag here, anyone have a copy of, or a link to, Magnus the Red: Master of Prospero? Can't find a torrent anywhere.

>>51809205
Holding the line and capping objectives, and now with calth/prospero its cheaper to run with marines that tanks

>>51808006
>>51808006
>>51808608
I wonder if any of the Primarchs were in know about Chaos before the heresy?
We know the Magnus knew a lot due to being a sorcerer, but I wonder if the Emperor/Malcador told Russ due to him being the "executioner" and because he literally was a loyal doggy.

>>51809154
>But a billion meltas is ok?
it was more of an even split, like 20 meltas 20 plasmas
>Or spamming MD?
well the models would work as vets/seekers/MD/support squads/sternguard (or DW) in 40k, etc. id just rather have more variety in weapons. also against knights and targets without ceramite the meltaguns are justified.
>>51809186
>So having 4 of the same unit with a small mix of different speical weapons is any better?
i just meant model wise. i know rules wise its strong regardless.

the whole list is less broken than just taking 3 phosphex thudd guns, so im not too worried about it.

i just remember the old days when combi-weapon sternguard/wolf guard were actually good in 40k. :^)

>>51809205
Fun?
Idk, it's a concept alien to this place.

>>51809234

It's not even out yet.

Anyone read Master of Mankind? What was the story?

>>51809416
Magnus ruined everything forever literally, Big E thinks of the primarchs as tools not sons, webway portal gets sealed for the moment with a golden sun that burns daemons, Drachyon is made from the first murder of mankind cain and abel, Big E is the nephew of Cain and Abel, BigE can't stop it because of this, and basically Chaos is going to win for reals guyz everyone else is just a side show plz take Chaos seriously

>>51809478
Why do I smell ADB here

>>51809504
Wait damn it it IS ADB here I knew it

>>51809478
>Magnus ruined everything forever literally
And Magnus would've been able to fix it had he been brought to sit on the Golden Throne, but because Russ was tricked and the Thousand Sons were unwilling to go quietly, that didn't happen.
>Big E is the nephew of Cain and Abel
Wrong. The Murder the Emperor witnessed was not related to the murder that birthed Drach'nyen

>>51809547
Ah, my bad, the book was shot so I try to repress it.

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hey /hhg/!

so for a campaign in progress I'm Iron Hands, and right now my dudes are in a pretty bad situation facing off with some Word Bearers in the process of trying to destroy or corrupt the planet. After a handful of battles, it's reached a standoff at the gates of a hell-vault housing a whole fuckload of dead legionnaires.

So my mate suggested we make some special units to fit this theme, some 'hell-vault marines' that the IH techmarines are using to fill their ranks.

The idea is super interesting but don't know too much about their fluff. Any background/info I can use to go off of? I can't find the book they're in, but from what I've gathered they're angry robo-zombies butchering anything in sight.

Right now I'm thinking something akin to death company, a unit that can't score (maybe some servitor-esque rules?) and gets something like FNP, SnP, and Fearless, all for maybe 200 pts. for 10 men.

I also like the idea of them being totally expendable, carrying phosphex, rad or Plasma stuff, however I don't wanna be a fag and make something totally OP, either. Any ideas? Maybe Volkite Calivers?

>>51809588
Your writing is shot.

>>51809588
Or more likely you never read it and are just regurgitating the same mistake that was written in the first review when the book first came.

>>51809610
Undead Cyborg Marines should have -1 to all stats except T and Wounds, FNP4+ and unable to score or have Legiones Astartes benefits instead of it they get Fearless and the when the whole unit dies you could place a S5 AP2 large blast on them.

Not sure what makes worshipping/following unknowable power that wants to either kill maim burn, rape torture, rot cancer decease, or mutate everything is good idea and everyone should succumb to it. Why ADB why

>>51809681
I like that idea. What about equipment? Volkite, rad, or phosphex maybe?

Something about never scoring/joined by ICs, and FNP 4+, SnP, and fearless combined with WS/BW/I3, but T5 is a good basis for special rules.

>>51809642

Master of Mankind is not the best book in the Heresy series, or even in the top 10 though.

Is there a way to make Daemon's characterful in 30k? I want to have a fun, fluffy force to run in a coming campaign, but god they just seem so bland and up front about what they are. Doesn't seem like there's anyway to build a story with them beyond SUDDENLY DAEMONS

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>>51809610
How about this thing from when Necrons used Revive in IAXII?
S&P, FnP(6), Fearless and I2 is fitting for undead IH soldiers.

>>51809806
Each of your Daemons are once mortals that ascended/reincarnated into Daemon with their tooth and nail

>>51809758
He's not saying it is, the inference from his point is that people regurgitate the crits of like flat facts and even get things wrong, when they're more complex than that.
Don't take this as a defence of it either, it's not great in terms of the wider fluff it tries to cover *at all*, but jumping all over in some of the ways it has been just makes the people doing it seem like dumbos.
>>51809714
He's a believer in the 'ultimately humanity was totally fucked by the Heresy, 40K has a Long Slow Bad Ending' school of thought.

>>51809806
>not subtly mentioning it in the colonisation of the planet
>not talking of how the aristocrats constantly searched for a cure to this disease that made you just say raaa
>not having possessed humans being treated workers
>not having dark eldar deliver a warp flask of daemons because they were actually a rival gang killing off the competition LITERALLY

>>51809834
This isn't bad.
I'd give them re-rolls as unit on campaign effects as well, totally pointless in normal games but fluffy.

>>51809834
I like it! IMO the FNP could use a boost, but other than that it's a really good idea. Thanks!

Does anyone have the fluff from their introduction? That might help in deciding what to give them

I get that humans have hidden desire to kill, rape, or manipulate others. But what's with Nurgle? Hidden desire to puke at other's face?

>>51809806
Daemons aren't really the focus of the heresy and haven't changed much in the millions of years that they have existed. So there isn't really a way to make them interesti

>>51809610
The fluff is in two shorts, Riven and Keys of Hel.
It turns out that the Iron Hands have super-forbidden Dark Age Medusan tech that allows them to resurrect dead marines with cybernetic implants. They have to be 'stored' in cryo-vaults when not active as their flesh is actually dead.

In addition to the rules ideas given by other anons, if you're doing a campaign you should also know that they are basically heresy and the Imperial Fist that learns of them reacts like they're fucking abominations.
So I'd add a no allies restriction (except for maybe some Your Dudes mad scientist Mechanicum forces).

>>51809931
The desire to not fucking die and stop being miserable but being a Nurglite is accepting that death comes for all and escaping your misery by being drowned in hopelessness.

>>51809931
Desire to breed, creation of life and inevitability of death, fear and acceptance

>>51809931
He just wants to make everyone happy by giving them eternal life.

>>51809931
Happiness and fear of death.

>>51809931
Survival, the will to live, fear of death. Update teenage understanding of the chaos gods, there's more to them than sex, murder, magic and disease.

>>51809806
Pawns of Chaos has some nice human-daemon interaction. Some sorcerer uses a child as a vessel to summon a lord of change to help him get rid of Imperials on the planet, things go bad and the kids ends up tagging along with two teens. There's some bonding in the my lord of change and I sort of way, until the daemons has to fulfill its purpose and just pwn some Imperials. The protagonist uses his link to the daemon to stop it from completely wiping them out. Ends with the boy having a chat with Tzeentch and telling him to fuck off.

In Eye of Terror there's a lord of change that building a fleet made out of warp stuff. He has a game of chess with a bloodthirster in command of a massive star system sized forge to build said fleet. For the game they take two planets inside the Eye and pit the armies of those worlds against one another across a bridge built between them. After the game they move on, leaving the planets locked in perpetual warfare. There's also a hippie brother and his possessed sister, who cruise the Eye on a rainbow coloured ship transporting goods from planet to planet as the dark gods deem fit.

There's a story in, I think 4e daemon codex, where a keeper of secrets plays a game of pretend and infiltrated a craftworld, woos one of the Eldar to get close to their dad, who has keys to the webway portals. It then opens one of the sealed portals to let in daemons.

There's the whole girl with her little black dog cheating her way through Tzeentch's labyrinth. The silver space marine that almost gets to strike at Slaanesh. The story of Tuska the daemonkilla.

There's a lot you can do with daemons.

Can suffering from multiple painful disease and yet unable to be dead be a happy thing? Or is it that Monkey's Paw like twisted thing.

>>51809931
I don't think it's been stated for a while, but each Chaos god also represents one positive aspect of existence. They can be discussed at length butt o reduce it to one word for simplicity:
>Khorne
Pride
>Slaanesh
Satisfaction
>Tzeentch
Hope
>Nurgle
Compassion

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>>51809806
>Is there a way to make Daemon's characterful in 30k?
Each Daemon is unique, like the skubtastic Echo of the First Murder, and the Word Bearers can have three kinds of posessed (Diabolists, Dark Channeled squads and Gal Vorbak).

>>51810039
Nurgle is twisted. It is a Monkey's Paw. Chaos makes everything worse.

>>51809920
>Does anyone have the fluff from their introduction?
It's literally the Necrons rising people from the grave using mindshackle Scarabs

>>51810058
scoria deserved to win that

>>51810039
If you're talking about Nurgle stuff, most of the fluff I find says that his followers aren't very happy and are praying to papa Nurgle to protect them from the ravages if illness. Which he does, and then gives them super aids. He's suppose to get his power from despair, so the more his followers despair, the more power he gets. Nurgle himself is a jovial creature, taking great pleasure in his work and his minions. This attitude is reflected in his daemons, he nurglings and great unclean ones. Except plaguebearers, which a somber, droning creatures. Why? Well, they're made from mortals who've succumb to Nurgle's Rot. So it would stand that their attitude in life is reflected in death.

>>51810010
Would Mephistopheles work as a Daemon of Khorne? I want some kind of brilliant general Blood Thirster or Daemon prince to help lead in corrupting the worlds.

>>51810126
He's totally a daemon of Tzeentch.

>>51810050
Khorne
>honor, strength
Tzeentch
>wisdom
Slaanesh
>pleasure, art, success
Nurgle
>happiness, safety

Fixed.

>>51810126
DP, probably. They're often granted far more liberties and freedom than other daemons, since they were mortal once and aren't as tied to their patrons. Bloodletters, thirsters, etc. are very much just extensions of Khorne and share his goals and personality to some extent. Meanwhile a daemon prince can be a strategist and less of a mindless butcher.

Daemon World had a Khorne DP that does engage in some conversations with his enemy.

Forgot to mention that in Eye of Terror the lord of change mentions that he's confident in winning the game because deep down Khorne, and by that extent his daemons, does not want to win. Because winning means there's no more enemies to crush. And given enough time this small doubt at the back of the bloodthirster's mind allowed the lord of change to get the upper hand and beat him.