/srg/ - Shadowrun General

>>51790500
Since a new thread is up, I'll repeat my plea for help. Can you guys help me make a Rigger? With Cyberdogs.

I'll be honest, I just want Cyberpets.

>>51790638
>Cyberdogs
do you mean
>drones in the form of dogs
or
>bio-drone dogs
?

My group is planning on getting into shadowrun 5E and I was wondering how viable a burnout mage is in it, and if you guys have any tips on playing one.

>>51790684
>a burnout mage
do you mean a mage with augmentations?
Or do you mean actual burnout (so no magic at all)?

>>51790681
Um. What's the difference? I mean I get it the latter have fur yeah? That sounds cool, you can actually pet those right?

>>51790699
The former is a robot that's made to walk and move like a dog, the latter is an actual dog that's been augmented with cybernetics and fitted with a cyberware system that allows it to be rigged like a drone.

>>51790699
Because AFAIK there is only one drone in the form of an animal, though I forgot the name
Doberman drones do not, I repeat, DO NOT look like dogs

>>51790697
Like a mage with cybernetics, gimped a bit in the mage department but making up for it with cybernetics. I was looking at the way of the burnout in the Street Grimoire.

>>51790737
Oh. So which is the one that is actually a dog? And is there a mechanical difference between the two?

>>51790762
then sure, just like with augmented adepts you usually want to get no more than 1 combined point of essence loss. After that it depends on what tradition you want and what you want to achieve with your 'ware

I'm sending my group into a casino in St.Louis (just on the river's edge).
Anyone got any maps of casino's I could use? Preferably big gaudy ones?

Prison Mage anon here. I read about chemical warfare anon and wanted to give that a try, but didn't want to drop the mage thing... so... mystic-rat-mentor-spirit-clusterfuck using Bod for drain, wearing a drysuit and hosing people with Neurostun...

What adept powers do I take?

Any ideas to make a Mr. Gasman build in 5e more effective?

>>51790783
the one that's actually a dog is a bio-drone, in this case a dog with augmentations. IIRC drones cost more, but their armor is hardened, meaning they have no stun track and damage below their armor is ignored, though someone else should look this over, since my experience with drones is minimal

How do white noise generators affect ultrasonic vision?

>>51790919
It's not really hardened, but pseudo-hardened as drones and vehicles don't take stun damage, with the exception of electrical stun damage. So if the damage is less than the modified armor, it becomes stun and they ignore that as they ignore all non-electrical stun damage.

That they take that as physical damage and half as matrix damage.

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>>51790824
I've got a series of floorplans of the Casino de Montréal if you wish. It's not in St-Louis, but it's right on the coast of St-Lawrence river.

>>51790883
the ability to resist toxins would be a big help.
possibly the ability to hold your breath for a long time.

>>51790942
ultrasonic vision is literally sight based on sound, similar to sonar. white noise generators are supposed to disrupt eavesdropping through the generation of backgrounds noise.

realistically these should not hinder each other, but for the sake of game balance they likely do.

>>51790962
it certainly looks big and guady enough. the fact that it resembles the tower of babel/ United Nations building is just a plus.
pls post.

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>>51790500
Im starting a new campaign in Sans Frans and it looks like all of the syndicates have a finger in the pie minus the Vory. I'm looking forward to it.

Also and good books on the all the syndicates and how they operate in Shadowrun?

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>>51790500
>* You have 1 new private message, titled 'Yo chummer, if this continues we'll have to destroy the Triad'
Hey, that's the decker's line.
>Syndicate edition.
>What is your experience with them? Are you in one? Do you have contacts in one? Did you make one of them hate you?
My experience with syndicates is thus:
>briefly worked for the David Cartel before shadowrunning career began
>under the employ of Antony Gionelli, robbed the vault of an Octagon Triad casino, killed all the guards and burned the whole place to the ground, just to stop their BTL distribution, at which point the decker said the above line because he'd stolena boatlaod fo drugs from them in a previous session
>under the employ of Knight Errant, flew to Hong Kong and shot up a BTL production facility controlled by the Black Chrysanthemum Triad
>while in Hong Kong, saved about 30 kids from being shipped into Rangoon by the Red Dragon Triad (this resulted in the death of 50ish thugs) and arranged for Gionelli to intercept a shipment of drugs and guns that would reinforce the Octagon Triad in Seattle
>to finish the job for Knight Errant, I had to assassinate a technomancer under the employ of the Thousand Lions Triad
>in the process of rescuing Saeder-Krupp 2 wageslaves, attacked an airstrip controlled by a no-name Burmese drug cartel; killed 10 of them, blew up a jeep, shot up the front of their barracks and left the survivors thoroughly traumatized
So, yeah, I've done more damage to organized crime than most cops have. And it's not even over yet, because one of the wageslaves we need to rescue is en-route to a casino in Rangoon where she'll be sold as a sex slave, so we'll piss off another no-name Burmese syndicate before the job is done.

I've requested to my GM that the first job we do once we get back to Seattle be for my old buddies in the David Cartel, because holy shit we've pissed off so many different syndicates, my group and I need to get on more syndicates' good sides.

>>51790967
Yeah, the dry suit from... whatever book that is gives a full chemical seal. Not sure what other stuff to add... Adept powers for stealth and toxin resistance sound valuable here...

>>51791040
In 4e there's Vice, and most likely there are books about this in the previous editions
don't know about 5e

>>51791040
4e's Vice is the most comprehensive that I know of, shouldn't be too hard to bring it into 5th

>>51791040
Ghost Cartels and Vice; they're both 4e books.

>>51791040
You're going to want to look into the Pueblo Corporate Council material if your in San Fran. they took it over soon after the end of the Japanese occupation.

I noticed Chummer won't allow negative qualities to reduce the price of Advanced Lifestyles. Is this a bug, or is this how they work in 5e?

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>>51790991
1/3

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>>51790991
2/3

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>>51790991
3/3

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If Manhattan is the city of "Black Trenchcoat or fuck off and die faggot", then is Hong Kong the city of "you can run any style you want, as long as it's Pink Mohawk"? Is mainland Asia in general a good place to get one's Pink Mohawk on?

>>51791193
>>51791207
>>51791222
Thank you.

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>>51790699
>>51790783
The Ares Cheetah in Rigger 5 is a robot with 4 legs that looks like a cheetah (can fluff as a dog).

Howling Shadows has rules for modifying animals with cyberware, but no prices in the first place (the German book has them, because Pegasus is not retarded).

The big difference is that drones are cheaper but easier to hack. Biodrones are expensive to make and care for, but have independent thoughts and are smarter than the dogbrains of your average drone. They can also be 10/10 doggos, which regular drones are not.

>>51791393
Rigging an animal sounds like an incredible act of cruelty, though.

>>51791422
welcome to Shadowrun. if the corp aren't grimdark then you're not doing it right.

>>51791162
Weird. I cant find anything that says that. What happened to San Francisco after Saito is a little vague.

>>51791476
I know, but god damn, this is heavy shit even by Shadowrun standards.

>>51790500

For some reason, I find Organized Crime a lot more... personable than working with the megas. For one, they're usually local; even if they have nominal ties to other groups in other cities, they're usually cousins at best and rivals at worst, instead of being subsidiaries and partners and stuff. And they're just as interested in screwing the system as your average runner, instead of going along and being a good little corp drone.

Sure, they're usually corrupt and amoral as fuck, but you can say that about a large number of the beloved career criminals we play on a regular basis.

>>51791521
personal mistake, Los Angeles is owned by the PCC. San Fran is still in the Cal Free state. however due to the loss of Saito, the cali is essentially devolving into a lawless region with no controlling party.

sixth world almanac. since 2061 for L.A.

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>>51791521
Conveniently, Shadows of San Francisco just dropped less than a month ago.

>>51791476
>corps
>implying this isn't a runner making biodrones
>implying everything isn't shit forever

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So Chummers, whats your top choice on qualities to buy ingame?

I have pretty high attributes and am reasonably competent during combat (~18 Dice with Assault Rifles and Machinepistols), so before i waste points on a ton of different skills, i thought i might grab some usefull Qualities.
So far, "Catlike" and "Sharpshooter" are on my list, but maybe you have additional ideas.
Char is a Cybered-Up Sammy with 4 Cyberlimbs (posted the sheet some threads ago).

FYI, i already have CyberSingularity Seeker and i won't be taking Redliner for quite some time due to reasons.

>>51791422
Unless they're sick and would have to be put down otherwise or something.

But yeah, I'll mull it over.

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What are the best reptiles to make into biodrones? Or should I just use mammals but have cosmetic biomodifications to make them look like reptiles.

>>51791621
komodo dragons.

just as a subtle insult to the actual dragons.

>>51791319
I dont know why you'd think Hong Kong would lend itself better to Pink Mohawk. Or Asia in general.

The thing is, no place lends itself to one side or another. 90% of the tone of a place depends on your GM and the players. You choose how you want to run, not the other way around.

Expect for maybe Los Angeles.

>>51791621
Depends on your purpose. For a nasty combat drone I'd go with a komodo dragon.

>>51791319

Hong Kong is special due to how it's a mish-mash of different cultures and styles from around the world. Dunno much about the mainland, tho - from what I recall, it Balkanized to hell and back.

If you wanna get Pink af, you need to check out Cali-for-nay-aye.

>>51791645
>>51791636
Are there actually rules for those? They're not in Howling Shadows.

Plus, from what I know of them in real life, they probably wouldn't make great combat drones.

>>51791636
>implying dragons consider themselves related to komodo dragons and would be insulted any more than you are insulted that devil rats exist

>>51791638
>I dont know why you'd think Hong Kong would lend itself better to Pink Mohawk.
Hong Kong cinema.
>Or Asia in general.
Less corps, clean cops and general law enforcement, more syndicates, corruption and third world conditions.

>>51791688
It's moreso the name that's supposed to be insulting to them.

>>51791684
Basilisks are a metaspecies of komodo dragons, so start there for stats.

>>51791796
Wait what book has rules for those?

>>51791950
Also, just to make sure, you can't make awakened critters into cybercritters right? Even if they don't have any magical powers or aren't dual-natured?

>>51791610
Biocompatability is your best friend. Agile Defender is also very useful if your agility is high enough to make it a worthy purchase.

>>51791950
Core rulebook.

>>51791610
Already have Biocompatibility.
Agile Defender is usuall very nice, but I'm sitting on 7 WIL already.

>>51792075

As much as Agile Defender looks good on paper, I really have to second this motion. WIL is such an important stat for almost any character, given how it's your stun track, your full defense, and your defense against mental fuckery.

>>51791393
Okey, so other than that, what should I remember as a Rigger? What other Drones are worth looking into? What stats do I use as a Rigger and what skills do I need?

Which films should I use as examples to explain what Pink Mohawk and Black Trenchcoat are? I know quite a few films that work as reference material for Shadowrun (Blade Runner, The Raid, Dredd, Hard Boiled, Robocop, Heat, Die Hard etc.) but I'm not sure where they stand on the Pink Mohawk/Black Trenchcoat scale.

>>51792666

High LOG, REA, Pilot (Usually Ground or Air, not Aerospace), Gunnery, EWAR, and as much nuyen as you can possibly acquire, because drones are expensive AF.

Another note is that, as much fun as it sounds to have your own peronal mech that pastes HTR teams, murderbots are super-expensive. FlySpys and other surveillance drones, on the other hand, are invaluable.

>>51792693

Pink Mohawk = Kung Fury
Black Trenchcoat = Equilibrium

>>51791393
ITg is worth noting, despite the incomplete costs in howling shadows, what is there makes it clear that biodrones are well outside the affordability or availability scope of a base starting character.

>>51792693
A good example for Black Trenchcoat are Heist movies like the Oceans series, The Italian Job, etc.
Because they are 2/3 and more casing and planning and maybe 1/3 the actual heist

>>51792764

I thought of those, but I'd be afraid of using them as examples, because peeps just remember the humor beats and not all the prep and plotting and such.

Oh, and add Hardcore Henry to the "general SR examples" list, too.

>>51792718
>Pink Mohawk = Kung Fury
>Black Trenchcoat = Equilibrium
Do you have any examples that are more....well known?

>>51792718
Equilibrium is pretty Pink Mohawk itself, it's not just about aesthetic, it's about mindset. Black Trenchcoat is more like a complex spy drama, they avoid direct confrontation, and will usually join the corrupt government for the payout than the resistance

>>51792793
Make those two films known to you, you will not regret it. Well, maybe Kung Fury, it's pretty silly - but hey Viking chicks with machineguns riding dinosaurs.

>>51792796

A fair point. Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy may work better.

>>51792718
I just want a robodoggo man.

>>51792793
Pink Mohawk = Stylistic
Black Trenchcoat = Simulationist

>>51792848
Get a cheetah Drone and refluff it to be a big doggo.
Then get realistic features upgrades for him and ask your GM if you could have a xenosapient AI inhabit him.

Or just get a proper real Doggo.
Barghests are fun.

>>51792820
Eh, it seems too silly to be Pink Mohawk proper. As I see it, Pink Mohawk should be outrageous and take things to extremes but never break your suspension of disbelief. Like, Fury Road was Pink Mohawk, though I'd hesitate to use it as an example, partially because I don't think the original Mad Max was all that Black Trenchcoat so I can't use the whole series as a demonstration of the sliding scale.

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How do you make this?

>>51793028
Arguably Fury Road is less Mohawk than Thunderdome.

>>51792930
>get a proper real Doggo.

Honestly, this. It's a robot made of self-repairing nanomachines that doesn't need to be directly controlled and can't be hacked.

>>51792930
Reminder that the range on a Barghest's Paralyzing Howl, which he'll use on every damn squirrel that gets onto your property, is 75 meters and that your neighbors will hate you for subjecting them to this.

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>>51791168
Hrm. Bug. Multipliers weren't being saved on create. Will be fixed in a moment.

>>51793085
And by range I mean radius of course. On the plus side, all the squirrels, rabbits, stray cats, bratty kids and burglars will quickly learn to stay the fuck away from your property.

If you had to sum up 5e's Matrix rules in five words, what would they be?

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>>51793085
a)
Get squirrel repellant Devices set up along your perimter
b) live a bit outside of the city, with no neighbors close to you.

An alternative to the Barghest might be a Hellhound (also in the core book).
Its basically an awakened 300 pound, coal-black, german shepherd variant that is commonly used as a guard dog by Corp Security.
And its immune to fire.
It also can throw fireballs with his mouth and has a INI of 10 + 3D6 INI.
Its a very good doggo and a very good boy.

>>51793339
the exact same crap again?

>>51793339
Just use normal tests, chummer

>>51793339
Hacking is for NPC's only.

>>51793366
Hm, I think things getting set on fire would be more worrisome than paralyzing howls. Also, I prefer the look of Barghests...or at least I would if CGL could remember that they're supposed to draw them as English mastiffs and not generic vicious dogs, god damn. Also, does anyone else find it a bit weird that the art for a Cerberus is of a 3-headed Rottweiler of all breeds? Shouldn't it be some sort of Greek dog?

>>51793064
But you also can't repair it if it gets damaged.

>>51792793
Pink Mohawk = Smokin' Aces (you'll know it when you see it)
Black Trenchcoat = Sneakers

>>51793552
Well, you can, it's just that it's not quite the same to go out and buy another one when your current one gets broken beyond all hope of repair.

>>51793064
You can get actual self-repairing upgrades.
>>51793552
>what is first aid?

>>51793552
Yeah you can.

>>51793519
Just train him to only set the right persons on fire.
Hell, that doggo has 11 on his physical track.
Just get him some armor from howling Shadows and take him along on your runs, like Dante from Dragonfall.

>>51792693

Pink Mohawk = Twilight (shit for plebs who can't be bothered to think)

Black Trenchcoat = Jacob's Ladder (layers upon layers)

>>51793592
But... But... But a cyberdoggo though...

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>>51791976
Correct. No piasmabots for you.

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>>51793678

>>51792693
Pink Mohawk: = Playstyle for mature persons who enjoy FUN and EXPLOSIONS

Black trenchcoat = Fedorafaggotry for mouthbreating wannabe-operators and tryhards who think overplanning arbitrary shit makes them somewhat "professional".

>>51793339
Better than it was, barely

>>51793785

Found the Twilight fangirl.

>>51793339

Acceptable unless you have ADHD.

>>51793836
Found the mountain-dew guzzling, overweight, cheetos-addict.

>>51793836
Found the tryhard fedorafaggot.

>>51793678
Come on man. You can have Pink Mohawk and still tell a compelling story and provide thought provoking scenes.

Take Yakuza 0 for instance.

>>51793339
Needlessly complex, but sorta managable.

>>51793836
>>51793857
>>51793862
Found the faggots arguing over a long-dead topic.

So nothing new I guess.

>>51792693
Imagine the Raiders from Fallout 3 in a cyberpunk setting.

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>>51793864
Also, Yakuza 0 isn't Pink Mohawk. There's weird shit, and there's also hours upon hours of tedious grinding and autistic completionism. It's Trenchcoat by a DM who will include everything from IEs to The Curse of the Billy Goat if the players do the legwork.

>>51793926
That would be pink Trenchcoat or black mohawk.

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>>51793897
Raiders are just violent and brutal, where PM PCs needn't be either. ie; Lupin III.

>>51792718
What does EWAR stand for?

>>51794142
electronic warfare

Would it be weird to not have spirit skills as a mage? As a former wage mage I'd probably have used them frequently but I always hear about how spirits bog things down or overpower combat, and the mysad is focused on summons already.

>>51793728
I was actually thinking a lamberts lizard.

That's kinda lame, given that human metatypes take augmentations fine.

>>51794718

Since you've got someone who's specced heavily into summons, it wouldn't hurt to focus on some other realm of magic like counterspelling or such. You may want to put a rank or two in them for teamwork tests with your mage buddy, tho.

>>51794718
Playing a mage right now who never summons. I'm fine.

>>51794761
>it wouldn't hurt to focus on some other realm of magic like counterspelling

Or, you know.
Spellcasting.

>>51794800

Well yeah, that's a given, omae. I meant beyond what I'd expect any awakened with two brain cells to rub together to do.

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>>51794733
The basic thing is that animals take augmentations less effectively than metahumans, because animals aren't as smart and don't have the same sense of self that allows metahumans to deal with Essence loss. Animals go cyberpsycho much more easily. Trying to get a magical animal to deal with Essence loss is beyond modern science.

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Rate/Hate

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Look ma, I'm an anime now!

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>>51794923
You have very little Willpower, that is going to fuck you over both for Stun track and your drugs. Don't pre-buy Squatter for 4 months, have some faith in yourself and your ability to make a living.

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>>51794923
>2 willpower

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>>51794977
>can cast spells but not other things requiring speech

Guess she's the strong silent type
Do it

>>51794977
>not pumping up your body so that you can transform into a troll
You're not thinking big enough.

>>51795147
Troll form's not viable, according to the FAQ, weirdly enough, nor any of the other metatypes/metavariants. Just vanilla humans.

Is there an easier to understand set of matrix rules anywhere? Or at least a list of the more important parts of it to remember.

>>51795174
Dang. What about sasquatches?

What is /srg/'s opinion of scopes on SMGs and ARs? Do they have a use simulating standard low/no magnification optics or should I not bother with them ?

How much money do you need to be a street sam? I have a character concept for a countryboy troll running the shadows so his ma, pa, and sister can keep running the farm, and I just don't see him having a lot of cash. I was honestly thinking resources D, but that doesn't give me a lot of money; I could bump it up to C, but that'd put my skills at D but that'd make me pretty retarded at anything that isn't shooting a gun, stabbing motherfuckers, and bein' real folksy-like (and I probably won't even be all that good at the last one).

>>51795174
In the OP pastebin there's the hayek sheets, there's a flowchart for it, one for 5e and one for 4e, though I'd have to search for them

>>51795195
Non-paranormal. No.

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the Run Faster Errata is coming about the same time as the technomancer book, but the threads about it on the forum are a bitch to wade through. Things like extravagant eyes are still in the book in some places and not others. Etc.

Do we have any word on what was supposed to be in the Changeling section for metagenetics? Was there going to be another "These qualities also work" section with asthma/albinism/gene freak/etc, like 4e?

>>51794977
Velociraptor is non-magical critter, right?

>>51795203
Technically a Street Samurai doesn't have to have an ounce of chrome. He is simply the "Fighter" of the group. Whether he is mundane, magical, or cybered to the nines doesn't matter so long as he is skilled with his weapon(s) of choice. If you want your Sammy to be poor and backwoods, you can do that. He could simply have gotten his skill from being naturally talented and/or through hard work and practice. Alternative, if he is an Adept he won't need much money since he will mostly be relying on magical skill instead of augmenting gear. And as far as skills? C or D is usually enough to get by. Most sammies aren't skill monkeys and are indeed super focused on combat which is the core of their character.

>>51795229
Technically, yes, but you'd probably have to encounter one before you can develop a spell to turn into one. Which probably means a corp doing a Jurassic Park.

>>51788064

That's honestly a pretty awesome way to handle it.

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>>51795204
aand, found it

>>51795174
here it is, chummer

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>>51795278
>Which probably means a corp doing a Jurassic Park.
Genetically engineered species that were never meant to be are still non-magical too...

>>51795163
4e FAQ is dodgy AF. Humans are not critters.

>>51795275
>Technically a Street Samurai doesn't have to have an ounce of chrome.
If they're not chrome and following some kind of code, they're not street samurai, but something else.

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>>51795275
>a Street Samurai doesn't have to have an ounce of chrome

>>51795195
>>51795286
thanks

>>51795275
>Technically a Street Samurai doesn't have to have an ounce of chrome. He is simply the "Fighter" of the group. Whether he is mundane, magical, or cybered to the nines doesn't matter so long as he is skilled with his weapon(s) of choice.
Actually, being heavily augmented is part of the definition of being a streetsam. If you can be a combat unaugmented, great, but that's not a streetsam.

>>51795303
>muh code
Chummer please.

>>51795275
Actually a Street sammy is a cyber based fighter
magically based fighters are Phys. Adepts
mundane fighters are usually called corpses, cannon fodder and drug users

>If they're not chrome and following some kind of code, they're not street samurai, but something else.

Oh look, this argument again.

>>51795303
>Humans are not critters.
You're free to rule so at your table, but there's a semi-official source saying they are, and it's enabling a cute character build rather than anything disgustingly disruptive, so I don't mind.

So is it possible to create a combat character with no magic and little to no chrome?

I think it'd be an interesting challenge.

>>51795392
You need Edge, lots and lots of Edge.

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>>51795303
>>51795320
>>51795337
>>51795347

>>51791319
No, not really.
Hong Kong's thing is "it's Chinese and shit but also not", and plays up the exoticness.
There IS no "pink mowhawk paradise" in SR (except maybe LA), because the entire genre runs on so many basic assumptions that contradict so many basic foundations of logic and rationality that trying too hard to make it "realistic" is just staggeringly stupid.

It's "realistic" in the way that edgy Generation Xers who knew nothing about politics, spycraft, or even simple demographics thought it was realistic after being raised on a steady diet of style over substance 80's action films and D&D games in the prior decade.
Shadowrun is inherently completely absurd and trying to justify or rationalize it's absurdity is like that one kid who tries over and over to argue that D&D is totally realistic.

>>51795392
Rigger with literal herd of Dobermen.

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>>51795362
>>51795407
It's been that way since before Shadowrun was even a thing. Don't like it? Try a different genre.

>>51791319
Manhatten isn't black trench coat, it's more like "don't immediately employ violence as a problem solving solution".
It's a city for spy work and espionage, not door-kicking machine gun rampages that devestate entire city blocks.

BOTH of these styles of run exist in SR, and don't let anyone tell you different.

Pink Mohawk - Black Trenchcoat is a spectrum, not a binary choice.

>>51795392
Drug users
narco genemod, Nephritic filter, designer-grade drugs
this costs you:
>0.5 essence with standard grade nephritic screen
>40.000 nuyen in the ware
>A shitload of money for the drugs

alternatively (or additionally) you can follow >>51795401 and be an Edgelord with Revels in Murder

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>>51795337
>Chrome, no code - razorboy, thug, biofreak, general muscle
>no chrome, code - guy with a decent set of morals
>no chrome, no code - dead man walking
>chrome, code - street samurai

>>51795407
I see your jpg and raise you mine

>>51795285
The reality of it is usually somewhere between the two extremes presented.

When you need to let off some steam and can afford it, break out the nanopaste and disguises to go out - just keep it under control. There's every chance that you'll fuck up and get punched or otherwise blow your cover anyway, which is why the careful extreme is more prevalent.

>>51791590
CalFree's problem was ALWAYS that it never really had a single collective identity. Northern Californians want to be northern Californians, southern Californians want to be southern Californians, and Los Angeles and San Fransisco are their own things too.
It's why Saito could invade so easily, a lack of real national identity and commitment to protecting their "nation".

Guys, please
we had this discussion for what, the 7 bajillionth time now?
Can't we just agree that there isn't any definition for Street sammies and just move on with this?

>>51795364
*You're* free to do whatever at your table, chummer. The FAQ is full of unfixed errors and incorrect information that will never be updated, regardless of whether you consider it official, semi-official, demi-official, unofficial, or some fraction between.

>>51795401
Basically Akuchi from Street Legends. Motorbike-to-the-face specialist.
>>51795466
No, I meant the troll and his six hour last stand.. The listed runners - like Kat - are either hyper-talented deckers, Mages who are paranoid anyway or literal rockstars with an entire department of people to play off their 'adventures' as something heroic.

>>51795485
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StreetSamurai
http://shadowrun.gamepedia.com/Street_samurai
http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Street_Samurai

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>>51795459
>>chrome, code - street samurai
No, a street samurai is just the top end of razorboys. The idea that all streetsams have a code is absurd, especially when Run Faster explicitly says that the vast majority of streetsams only pay lip service to bushido.

>>51795485
>Can't we just agree that there isn't any definition for Street sammies
Except there fucking is.

>>51791725
>Less corps, clean cops and general law enforcement, more syndicates, corruption and third world conditions.

All of these are incorrect.
There's lots of corps in Asia, law enforcement is as sketchy as ever, syndicates are about as common there as they are everywhere else (more likely to be Triad or Yakuza in Asia though), corruption is the bylaw of the Sixth World, and actually relatively few countries even in Balkanized China are a Third World country surprisingly.

>>51795560
I must've been thinking of Burma and that general area.

>>51795548
Doesn't matter if it's not bushido, having a code is having a code.

>While he is ferocious and deadly, he tends to have a code—it may be a code comprehensible only to him, but it’s something.

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>>51795540
>tvtrops
>Hacking, at least at a rudimentary level, or other similar tech skills (creating prosthetics, building custom weapons systems and vehicles etc.) is required.

What?

>>51795431
Honestly, the original street samurai did not have much in the way of a code.
She was loyal to whoever was employing her at the time and that's about it; Molly was a very practical person and didn't seem to have anything in the way of moral scruples more then any other character in the Sprawl did.

>>51795621
>She was loyal to whoever was employing her at the time
That's still a code, and more of one than the average person for someone they don't know.

>>51795540
>http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Street_Samurai

>A street samurai (also street sam, sammie, or razor boy/girl) is an archetypal shadowrunner who specializes in physical combat.
>A street samurai (also street sam, sammie, or razor boy/girl)

>They often adopt codes of honor
>often
chummer, your own source a) mixes razorboys and sammies together and b) says that it's not necessary to have a code, just that they often take them
what did you want to tell us with that?

>>51795570
Southeast Asia DOES suck in Shadowrun, moreso then in real life actually.
But it's the worst place in Asia by far according to Shadows of Asia; everywhere has problems because it's a dystopia, but certain places aren't as bad off as they could be if only because writers didn't know enough about them to really go into detail about how they suck.

>>51795422
... It's Dobermans. Dobermen is something very different and a lot more entertaining.

>>51795646
That's not a code of honor so much as it is professional discretion.
You never see Molly do anything truly horrible to anyone but nothing is really suggested that she'd NOT do these things if she was paid enough, though she'd make a dryly sarcastic remark about it for sure.

>>51795571
And what exactly does "a code" mean? Not killing people on Sundays because you observe the Sabbath and keep it holy? Only killing on the fourth stroke because 4 is the number of death? Treating your gear with care and respect so that it performs well for you? Always tipping 15%? Eating hotdogs every Tuesday? Being committed to finishing the job like every fucking good shadowrunner?

"A code" is so vague that it does nothing to define what a streetsam is. In fact, it's more accurate to think of a streetsam as an augmented combatant who can kill any snot-nosed little razorboy who comes up to him and tells him that he's not a streetsam because he doesn't have a code of honor.

>>51795704
It's also only tangentially relevant to the current iteration of the game, as details have changed in the process of reaching five editions removed from plagiarism.

>>51795704
Oh, and Molly was a "street Samurai" not because of her honor but because she was hired muscle. She was a street Samurai because she made her living employing violence and lived in Japan.

Gibson didn't really know anything about samurai shit, just like most people in the 80's didn't. They just thought the aesthetic was pretty rad.

>>51795699
What are Dobermen? Google can't tell me.

>>51795724
>And what exactly does "a code" mean?
It means something that street samurai use to keep a tight grip on their responses, when they're augmented and armed to the point where immediate reactions are enough to kill with.
>"A code" is so vague that it does nothing to define what a streetsam is.
Being broad does not mean it's no longer relevant.

>>51795760
It's a shame that Gibson's changed. I like his books, but his tendency to slip in long rants about how everyone who isn't turbo left-wing sucks.

And his twitter. Used to be a great source of weird and inspiration, now it's just "LEL DAE LE TRUMP XD"

>>51795724
>Not killing people on Sundays because you observe the Sabbath and keep it holy?

That's actually a pretty good code, or at least part of it.

>>51795774
Its the name of a wheeled drone that looks nothing like a dog.

>>51795732
Yes, but in that case street samurai is merely a game archetype, to which most information points to being "a front line combatant who is not an adept".

You can make a street samurai and nothing anywhere in the archetype says you have to have a code like having Magic is require for being a Mage or having Resonance is required for being a Technomancer, and it never HAS either in any edition of SR.

I'm quoting actual game mechanics now.

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>>51795802
Those are still DobermAn drones, though I don't know if it pluralizes as Dobermen or Dobermans like the dog.

>>51795777
>It means something that street samurai use to keep a tight grip on their responses, when they're augmented and armed to the point where immediate reactions are enough to kill with.
See, now that implies that every streetsam does actually bother to restrain themselves.

>Being broad does not mean it's no longer relevant.
Except when it's so broad that it doesn't have any meaning.

>>51795786
>Used to be a great source of weird and inspiration, now it's just "LEL DAE LE TRUMP XD"

That bizarre orange Oompa-Loompa looking weirdo has a remarkable ability to piss people off, it's really quite fascinating.
Personally I'm enjoying the Presidency, it's like watching a piece of speculative fiction come to life and finding out what parts would actually happen in reality and what parts fizzle out because things happening the way they do in dystopia films is just too simplified to happen in reality.

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>>51795864

How useful are snipers? Does it depend a lot on the dm and campaign, or are there usually some points in a game where having one would be good?

>>51795864
>it's like watching a piece of speculative fiction come to life and finding out what parts would actually happen in reality and what parts fizzle out because things happening the way they do in dystopia films is just too simplified to happen in reality.
Well I suppose that's one way of looking at it.

>>51795864
Eh, he was like this in the previous election era too.

>>51795039
>Don't pre-buy Squatter for 4 months, have some faith in yourself and your ability to make a living.

If my experiences with SR has taught me anything its not to have faith that you'll even survive from one run to the next.

>>51795944
There are no snipers in shadowrunning teams, just shotgun users who snipe occasionally.

>>51795944

It's generally not something you want to have on-hand all the time, but it's a useful skill for a street sam or an infiltrator character. It's one of the things that can easily sideline the rest of the crew.

>>51795945
It's also kinda funny watching him get SUPER butthurt when stuff doesn't go his way and then get genuinely confused when he discovers the President actually has to go DO stuff to get stuff done and not take a weekend off at his private resort every week instead.
>>51795951
He wasn't President then though, and nobody really thought he would be I think.
I mean look at him; he's so ridiculous. There's literally fictional characters that come off as more plausible human beings then he does, and some of them are actually IN Shadowrun.

>>51795998
Unless they're being sidelined as fire support. If they're expecting a run to go south, having someone on a rooftop a block over with clear LOS and a ruthenium poncho to hide under can be a lifesaver.

>>51795808
>Yes, but in that case street samurai is merely a game archetype, to which most information points to being "a front line combatant who is not an adept".
What's the point in discussing this if you turn full goldfish three seconds later?

>>51796014
No, I mean Gibson was like this. Since about 2006 he's gone from occasionally political to everything is political all the time, and slipping it into his books. I don't care about Trump.

>>51795846
>See, now that implies that every streetsam does actually bother to restrain themselves.
If they're shadowrunners rather than a murder spree report on the news, then yes, they are.

>>51795944
>>51795966
>>51795998
Just take it inside with the rest of the group. Sniper rifles are pretty much Assault Rifles for the purpose of concealment. They hit harder in exchange for not being able to go Full Auto. I wouldn't carry one around in a populated and public environment, but most tools and weapons that runners use aren't really "public friendly" anyway.

>>51796073

This is true - I played a character whose main weapon was a sniper rifle, and didn't bother with AKs or such.

>>51796067
Anon please, you might as well say all gun users have to restrain themselves with a code or they'll turn into mass murders.

>>51796039
I think you're arguing with more then one person here, actually?
I was merely noting the lack of an inherent code in the original inspiration for street samurai, and then you (quite correctly) pointed out that SR despite borrowing much of the lingo is so far removed from it's roots that the original inspiration no longer matters.
Then I pointed out that as far as I can tell that means you have to look at game mechanics, which do not preclude using the archetype called "street Samurai" when you don't have a code of honor.
I don't really have strong opinions on it; the game mechanics pretty much cleared the question up for me some time ago and everything else is just interesting discussion material for me.
>>51796047
Oh. Well, everyone changes over time I guess. It's pretty hard staying on the cutting edge.

>>51796067
well, just look at the second link here >>51795540
>Samurai sell their skills for profit and work to take out the dishonorable scum that seem to breed in the urban sprawls.
>dishonorable scum
depending on your definition that's a LOT of people to kill

Can you actually throw a combat knife?

>>51796165
sure, why not?

>>51796098
>>51796073
Which would be best for assault rifle with occasional sniping? Crockett EBR?

>>51796165
Probably not as well as a balanced throwing-knife, but a sharp and pointy object being thrown is a sharp and pointy object being thrown.

>>51796165
You can throw a sword if you want. Will it be as good as a throwing knife ? I dunno, check with your GM

>>51796197
The Crockett is technically a battle rifle, so it's actually made for flexible role stuff: compact enough that you can take it with you for squad fighting shit, but powerful and accurate enough for marksmanship.
Remember, most examples you see of "sniping" in TV, film, and ESPECIALLY video games aren't actually sniping, but is Designated Marksman work. Sniping and specialized long-range rifles like that are useful for killing targets who aren't aware that you're there, not so useful when it comes to actual combat.

>>51796197
Get the Onotari Arms JKP50. Hard to get, and kind of expensive, but it's a seriously good bit of gear.

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>>51796073
I've always felt like sniper rifles should need to be prone or otherwise braced to be used properly, purely for that reason.

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>>51796105
All gun users aren't so corrupted by soul-altering technology that they develop rampant mental instability and require clear-cut rules determined by others (such as bushido or a knightly code) to ensure their behaviours are still moral, because they cannot tell for themselves whether or not what they do is moral anymore.

Is there any other way to let your team see what you see other than an imaging scope with wireless activated?

>>51796344
>take two Sensor Tags with cameras
>put them above your eyes
>send the data to your teammates
>????
>Profit

Alternatively just get some glasses with a camera and send them that feed

>>51796341
>All gun users aren't so corrupted by soul-altering technology that they develop rampant mental instability
And not everyone gets cyberpsychosis simply from having a lot of augments.

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>>51796381
Not all, but Essence loss and mental issues are closely tied. If you don't go cyber psycho, you don't need a code, you don't have to be a street samurai to avoid being a murderhobo. QED

>>51796381
>And not everyone gets cyberpsychosis simply from having a lot of augments.
Cyberpsychosis is simply the state of existence in which you unquestionably will lose it at the wrong external stimuli and react violently.

Shadowrun is a setting in which people have an astral presence, an intuitive mundane recognition of that presence, and some amount of discomfort when someone's astral presence is extremely damaged. It's a fact that there's a non-zero amount of social ostracisation that comes from from extensive visible augmentation, recent editions have brought about similar effects from discovered hidden combat augmentations, and loss of social limit from losing essence. Even in well adjusted individuals this will have a negative effect on their ability to read a situation over the baseline FUD, which can end poorly because SS combat ability is what they're augmented for, and other people are not.

Then you have the simple fact that Shadowrunners are *not* often the most well-adjusted of individuals.

>>51796605
>unquestionably
Probably didn't need that in there. 'will struggle not to lose it' is closer.

>>51796582
> If you don't go cyber psycho, you don't need a code, you don't have to be a street samurai to avoid being a murderhobo
But you don't need a code to be a streetsam in the first place.

>>51796605
>Cyberpsychosis is simply the state of existence in which you unquestionably will lose it at the wrong external stimuli and react violently.
And getting a lot of augments doesn't guarantee you'll reach this state. Otherwise, there would built-in mechanics saying you HAVE to take certain negative qualities once you lose so much essence.

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So after playing the new resident evil, I really want to do a run where the PCs are in a MASSIVE sprawling mansion with completely weird shit in it and getting more and more surreal the deeper they get into it.

So the setup I have is that a powerful spirit made a deal with some guy to give him 30 years of riches, power and fortune in exchange for his soul. But now the time is over and the guy used his power to create powerful wards around his mansion that prevent the spirit from collecting it's prize and the guy hasnt left it for decades.
The Runners are payed through a surrogate to get the guy out of his mansion.

I just need some help coming up with a bunch of NPCs and insane shit to put into that mansion
I imagine that whoever wanders into this hell house isn't allowed to leave anymore, because the owner is a crazy and paranoid wizard, but he doesn't outright kill anyone either, because he enjoys the companionship and needs servants.
The mansion itself is dangerous as fuck, in the spirit of RE, but most of the NPCs that made it till now have learned to navigate it.

Do you guys have any great ideas for random NPCs and rooms the runners could encounter?

So far I have:
-A corp agent who was sent in here a few years ago to find out WTF is going on here. He has survived through sheer badassery and actively tries to kill the wizard at this point, but at this point has run out of his original gear and has to rely on MacGyvering shit. Might be friendly or hostile to the runners depending on how they act toward him
-A very mercantile boy scout who REALLY wanted to sell the rich man some cookies, or handkerchiefs, or whatever and stumbled into the hell mansion. He's very cowardly, but kept his streak for business and actively trades with the other people and spirits in the mansion. Acts as a resupply possibility if the PCs bring him the right stuff

>>51796656
>But you don't need a code to be a streetsam in the first place.

Yes you do, otherwise you're just a razorboy/girl.

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>>51796656
>CYBERPSYCHOSIS
>(BONUS: 10 KARMA)
>Requirements: Antipathy Negative Quality, minimum 5 Essence points lost from augmentations
>It’s said that as more of the body is replaced with chrome, heavily augmented individuals lose part of what makes them metahuman. Whether that’s true or
not, having more augmentations does make it more difficult to relate to others. During any Social Test, if the character glitches, they act in an inappropriate manner
or violently overreact to their situation. If the character suffers a critical glitch, they suffer a psychotic break, essentially becoming an NPC until such time that the gamemaster decides they’ve recovered.

>Note: Characters augmented heavily enough to risk cyberpsychosis may suffer negative social modifiers due to excessive augmentation. Any character with cyberpsychosis must also have the Antipathy Negative Quality to reflect the loss of empathy due to the disorder.

They never put in the rules saying you have to take Cyberpsychosis in 5e (they might have in earlier editions) but they have codified the fact that you lose touch with humanity through Social Limit penalties. Also Superhuman Psychosis is essentially 'you got all 'wared up and never took Code of Honour'.

>>51796672
Is it supposed to be a comedy or a horror? the second example is super jokey.

>>51796672
Boy scouts sell popcorn

>>51796672
Without getting into the wards keeping the spirit out as a problem..

Keep the person who made the deal as a mundane. Nobody can wake up a mundane, ever. But mundane arcana? That's a thing. So he conjures spirits to do things for him. Conjuring of things like crawlers and gumtoads, no problems. Gardens of dripping, twitching flesh and pustules that ooze slime. Bigger spirits to build wards, which he later consumes, or feeds to other spirits he summoned for use of their powers. Maybe have him undergo an inhabitation merge with something else entirely.

Have them find a crew of BTL addicts who are yet to work out this isn't just a really bad trip. The monsters leave them alone.

A few members of the Desolation angels who'd really like to meet the man in charge.

A set of very heavily armed and armoured battle mormons - think Joshua Graham on kamikaze - who are going to bring Jesus to the master of the house or die trying. They venture out from their fortified room to scavenge for material to make ammunition and find supplies, as well as search for the house's master.

>>51796656
>getting a lot of augments doesn't guarantee you'll reach this state
No, but it guarantees you reach the state of being a faster-than-thought combat capable character, who has the ability to flip out and kill people. Whether they do so at mistaking a filtered sound for the cocking of a firearm is down to the RP for the average street samurai, while the cyberpsycho rolls for it.

>>51796744
>Requirements: Antipathy Negative Quality
This does mean however that you already have to not care about other people to get cyberpsychosis. And isn't it possible to have both code of honor AND Antipathy ?
Because in that case you'd still get cyberpsychosis

>>51796731
Says who, again? Every fucking edition has made it clear that you don't have to have a code of honor to be called a streetsam. Why some autists can't stop going "buh-buh-buh-but it says samurai, that means you have to have honor" when cultural appropriation without authenticity is one of the recurring themes of Shadowrun, well, that's beyond me.

>>51796820
>And isn't it possible to have both code of honor AND Antipathy ?
Yes, but
>Because in that case you'd still get cyberpsychosis
isn't correct, because you can only take 25 points of negative qualities.

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>>51796759
Honestly a little bit of both. Afterall, resident evil gave me the idea.
Think horror elements, but overall too over the top to be truly serious

>>51796779
>Without getting into the wards keeping the spirit out as a problem..
If a player brings it up then I'll go GM fiat and say the wizard has some unknown metamagics

>Maybe have him undergo an inhabitation merge with something else entirely.
That was actually one of my ideas as to why stuff has gotten completely insane. I like it

> Desolation angels
Were those the ones that were infested by bbug spirits? Eeeehh maybe.

>A set of very heavily armed and armoured battle mormons
I actually really like that. It's sufficiently silly.
Could have been a whole group at first but by the time the PCs come around, only two are left and they are nuttier than ever. Love it!

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>>51796866
>Were those the ones that were infested by bbug spirits? Eeeehh maybe.
They're mantids rather than normal bugs.

>>51796672
IRS agents that come to collect the taxes.

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>>51796858
>you can only take 25 points of negative qualities

Only at chargen

>>51796820
A Code of Honour isn't a cure for cyberpsychosis. It's a treatment strategy. It gives you guidelines about what you should do when you need to make a moral decision, because when left to your own devices you glitch and react violently.

A street samurai has cyberpsychosis, he just doesn't give into it.

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>>51796858
>Why some autists can't stop going "buh-buh-buh-but it says samurai, that means you have to have honor"

>>51796892
Also a nice idea.

>>51796903
>Only at chargen
Well, yeah, but my point is that the fact you can't get both a code of honor and cyberpsychosis at chargen thematically plays into
>A Code of Honour isn't a cure for cyberpsychosis. It's a treatment strategy. It gives you guidelines about what you should do when you need to make a moral decision, because when left to your own devices you glitch and react violently.
>A street samurai has cyberpsychosis, he just doesn't give into it.

>>51796909
Not him, but I'm willing to take your side (because your idea of a street samurai is cooler) if you cite rules examples and pages from the books.

>>51796858
>isn't correct, because you can only take 25 points of negative qualities.


>How many points worth of Qualities can I take?
>As per the rules under Purchasing Qualities (p. 71, SR5), you may only take a maximum of 25 points worth of Positive Qualities, and 25 points worth of Negative Qualities. If you really wish, for roleplay purposes, you may take additional Negative Qualities, but you may never gain more than 25 karma for them regardless of how many you take.

>>51791621
>giant lizardmen
>look like Krogans

Is it just me, or would these guys be a perfect replacement for SR trolls?
>thick lizard skin gives dermal armor bonus
>funky lizard eyes give thermal vision
>looking like a big ugly lizard and being emotionally weird makes people hate you
>have to pay double for lifestyle because you have a very different physiology from humies

Now I want to play SR, but replacing trolls with huge, jacked lizard-people.

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>>51796935
You could get CoH and Antipathy, and buy into Cyberpsychosis in-game. The points costs work for balance reasons, but not holistically at chargen (you could still take all three, but you won't get 33 points for it).

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>>51796996
You lose the 'fantasy gone future' element if you replace the trolls of folklore with generic lizard dudes. Plus they grind up against drakes.

Still viable, just not something I would care for.

>>51796941
5e, p63, for one. Other links have been made in this thread. Despite the fact that anon keeps interjecting at the mention of a code with Run Faster's Bushido, they're rectangles and squares.

>>51796997
You could even start off with CoH and some other NQs, eventually trading some of it in for Antipathy and working up to trading in more for Cyberpsychosis.

>>51797027
And Shadowrun even has its first lizardman in the form of Simon Andrews, with more to come in the future as the mana level rises.

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Call the guy with a sword whatever he wants, you goddamn autists.

>>51796996
Honestly, the "canon" lizard race in SR's ancient past was way more awesome then simply fitting into the traditional "thuggish big brute guy" stereotype fantasy orks naturally fill (at least since WarCraft) when they're good guys who are playable in a setting.

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>>51797063
>Simon Andrews
>lizardman

He's a T'Skrang, you Ghostdamned racist.

>>51797056
What I meant is there's an equal amount of evidence both in rules and fluff for street sam's being not honorable too. Especially rules.
I'm just wondering at which point your fluff overrides the rules and others, or when your evidence numerically defeats theirs, that's all.

Because it's kinda vague to me right now in both cases.
>>51797076
The T'Skrang were friggin' awesome.

>>51797076
I spent all last thread on about earthdawn, I didn't want to start it up again.

Is there a reason to go cybereyes over glasses and contacts?

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>>51797125
Better smartlink, more capacity, always have them on you, looks wiz as hell.

>>51797125
Bigger smartlink benefits I guess?
Unable to take your visual boosting equipment away without the aid of a knife?
Wearing your sunglasses at night (because they're surgically attached to your face) so you can so you can watch them weave then breathe their storylines?

>>51797144

not to mention having better than 20/20 vision.

>>51797105
>I'm just wondering at which point your fluff overrides the rules and others
When you talk about fifth edition street samurai as a whole. That's where fifth edition overrules other sources.

>>51797125
Smartlinks give a larger bonus when installed in cybereyes. Also, they hold more enhancements than glasses and contacts. Only reason not to take cyber eyes is if you are Awakened and are staying pure for Essence sake.

>>51796341
I feel like Hachetman despite being one of the legendary old-school runners is mostly famous for being turned into a cyberzombie, and otherwise wasn't around long enough to be as impressive as some of the veterans.

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>>51797105
>Because it's kinda vague to me right now in both cases.

Because there's no clear ruling. It used to be more clear in the days of Hatchetman, now it's less so. Same with mentor spirits and their relationships to shamans. 4th and 5th stepped back from explicitly requiring certain qualities, settling for stating that you SHOULD have them and that such things as a code of honour define street samurai, like the extended part in Run Faster.

>>51797183
I see. Thank you.

>>51797151
>Wearing your sunglasses at night (because they're surgically attached to your face) so you can so you can watch them weave then breathe their storylines?

....what?

>>51797105
Look at it like this: there are definitely streetsams out there who have codes of honor, whether for personal reasons or as a treatment for cyberpsychosis. but one of the things that makes them so special is that they are comparatively rare. There are also streetsams who just run with their cyberpsychosis in whatever form it takes (and believe me, if you get creative you can represent cyberpsychosis with negative qualities other than just cyberpsychosis). Most streetsams, though, are just typical violent sociopaths or cold, detached Adam Jensen types.

>>51797183
>like the extended part in Run Faster.
You mean the part that says, and I quote,
>most people who call themselves street samurai have turned their backs on the very core belief of the true samurai, that of loyalty and service
>most street samurai pay lip service to some aspects of the code

>>51797254
https://youtu.be/56HSPQHSqEE

>>51797254
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X2LTL8KgKv8

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>>51797277
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>>51797262
>cold, detached Adam Jensen types.
I'm not sure Adam Jensen is detached, he just has has a terrible Charisma score and very few people skills.
His brusque attitude he displays in the games is quite obviously a choice on his part, and he DOES drop it in that one critical moment (the shades are an excellent visual motif they use to show this) to show that he still feels shit a lot, he's just so mistrustful and feels so intensely betrayed by everything that he tosses up this impenetrable wall of cynicism and sarcasm in front of everybody.

>>51797389
He's very intimidating and is smart enough to talk down some of the greatest minds in the game, though it is a bit of a crapshoot sometimes.

I have no idea how I managed to luck into Silver Tongue my first go-round, all my later playthroughs fell to fucking shambles.

>>51797389
>the shades are an excellent visual motif they use to show this
Huh. I never noticed that, but yeah.
He only ever DOES drop them in that one scene with Meggan, and that's also where he visually and vocally emotes more then any other in the games he's in.

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>>51797262
>You mean the part that says, and I quote,

You mean the line that refers to one single code, which you keep trying to bring up as though it's the only code anyone could ever be talking about?

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>>51797262
Quote the whole thing

>The best known of all the codes of honor, the Path of the Samurai has forked in two directions. The one that most shadowrunners are familiar with is properly called the Path of the Ronin, as most people who call themselves street samurai have turned their backs on the very core belief of the true samurai, that of loyalty and service. Rather than follow the commands of their betters, they have cast themselves onto the waves (ronin, literally translated, is “wave man,” describing one who is like unto a small boat cast adrift into the wild waves of the ocean with neither oar nor sail). While most street samurai pay lip service to some aspects of the code, those who embrace the entire code are seen as truly honorable souls by their peers, setting an example for others to follow.

Obviously you read it differently, but I see two important things there:

1) Loyalty is an important part of it, but is one of seven virtues. They specifically call out what it means in relation to street samurai, as opposed to regular samurai
>You might wonder how loyalty matches up with being a street samurai. It doesn’t. Oh, some will talk about loyalty to friends, or loyalty to whomever hires them, but at the end of the day, a street samurai is a ronin for one reason: They put their Meiyo (honor) over their Chugi (loyalty) when someone gave them an order. Their morals stepped up and told them to disobey. This single act marks them in the eyes of other samurai. More on that when we get to company men.
>Hard Exit

(1/2)

>>51797432
Ah, right, just let me quote the bit that applies to all the codes:
>An honorable thief seems to be as contradictory as a poetic warrior, two things that are fine apart but when brought together cannot thrive. In truth, while many claim to hold to a code, when the chips are down they’re willing to set it aside in the name of need. Those who truly follow a path of honor, who abide by a code even when it would make their life more difficult, or who are willing to face death before dishonor, are truly a rare breed. They are men and women of honor. They are a cut above the norm, seen by some as fools and by others as heroes, but by all as relics of a different age. When the words of the day are “I got mine,” they all say “It is not enough.” To them, the code is worth more than all the paydata in the world. Some follow the code out of honor, others because they know no other way, and some rare few cling to a code as the last gasp before falling into cyberpsychosis, the final vestige of humanity in a vast ocean of machine.

>>51797421
Jensen's apartment in the first game shows he's kind of REALLY well-read for a police officer of any kind, and apparently the making antique clocks wasn't actually a way to train himself to coordinate his limbs better but an actual hobby of his before augmentation.

in the future there are omni directional wheels on stupid shit

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/canadian-william-liddiard-omnidirectional-wheels/

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>>51797262
>>51797453
(2/2)
And on company men...
>Rewarding experienced security forces, or corporate soldiers, with a samurai status elevates them to the lowest rung of corporate nobility—still below the masters but a cut above the common worker. It’s this class that holds to the new Bushido the tightest, expecting to see their loyalty ultimately rewarded with promotions and power. They follow the Way of the Samurai, but rather than focus on Meiyo, or honor, they hold Chugo, duty, to be the highest of the virtues.
>These corporate samurai obey whatever order comes from above, no matter how shameful or dishonorable. One cannot put one’s honor above one’s better, and if they command you to toss someone out a window, cut down your cousin, or falsify records to implicate your best friend, you either obey or slit your stomach for an honorable escape.

2) 'Lip service to SOME aspects of the code' is the exact wording. They make it clear that Chugi is one aspect that many street samurai pay lip service to, because they find it intolerable to obey. Others may pay lip service to Rei, excusing their poor manners by saying the other is not worth the kindness, or they may detact themselves from Gi and claim that whatever they do is righteous. Clearly you read it as 'they pay lip service to some aspects, ignore others, and generally don't follow the code at all' but I disagree with that interpretation, especially as it says in the very next phrase that they hold in high esteem those who manage to follow the entire code.

>>51797459
Yes.
>it may be a code comprehensible only to him, but it’s something.

>>51797467
Ironically the obiediance and loyalty stuff is a lot older then the rest of the Bushido virtues by far, most of which were made up by a bitter old man who saw the decline of his social cast and then wrote a book about it and got famous for it.
Meanwhile the hyper-serious loyalty stuff has always been a part of Japanese culture for the Bushi Caste.

>>51797492
>it may be a code comprehensible only to him
And now you go right back to the same bullshit where "a code" could mean something something as fucking trivial as "I always eat hot dogs on Tuesdays".

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>>51797492
>>51797554

The greatst of all possible wireless bonuses has to be the ghillie suit one. "Wireless Bonus: Um … you draw in curious Hackers?"

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>TFW 2017 is the year S is really supposed to HTF

So how did the Tricentennial go in 2076?

>>51797459
>>51797467
There are some interesting contradictions in that though. If streetsams chose honor over duty every time (and thus would only respect others who did so as well), but still admired those who upheld the entirety of bushido, then they'd be admiring the ones who never had to choose between honor and duty. Which means.....something. Look, I am too tired to have this discussion right now, but the point I'm getting at is that streetsams admire other streetsams who have genuine codes of honor not because they necessarily buy into them themselves, but because they all know that keeping a code is hard. It's like a handicap principle of sorts.

Does anyone sell batches of d6s where only the 5, 6, and 1 is printed?

How often do you guys get to pull out the big guns? You know: assault cannons, machine guns, rocket launchers, that kind of stuff. I almost never see that stuff in my campaigns or in other people's campaigns.

>>51798251
The big guns are usually saved for runs in the Barrens or jobs where we are going to go loud from the get-go.

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Has anyone built a streetsam that is Viking flavored rather than Samurai?

>>51798381
That's not exactly a revolutionary idea, friend. I'm sure it's happened at some stage.

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OK, I just got roped into running SR5 for 8 people for my first time GMing.
How fucked am I, /srg/?

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>>51798423
>first time GM
>shadowrun
>8 fucking people
Hooo boy.

>>51798381
>Viking flavored street sams
'vard vargs

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>>51798423

>>51798423
I hope you made sure to have a decker, a rigger, a technomancer and an AI among them. Infected, drakes and shapechangers might also be a great idea.

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>>51798423
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>>51798466
Ill only encourage the Decker and Rigger. These people are my friends and I intend to keep it that way.

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>>51798381
Would you believe that I was literally working on it right now?

http://pastebin.com/Fv09jLDd

>>51798437
>>51798456
>>51798466
>>51798493
Ok, but do you guys have any serious advice? I told them to give me six months to prepare and to let them read throuogh the material.
>inb4 "Start with Food Fight"

>>51798520
Honestly?
I have no idea how you could possibly run 8 people without getting horribly bogged down, and having people step on each others toes constantly.

>>51798534
I mean six months are gonna pass between now and character creation. I Kinda expect a few people to drop out.

>>51798520
It's pretty simple: Don't play with all of them at the same time. Than it can work very well.

>>51798520
>Six months of prep time

Oh, then I wouldn't worry about it honestly. By the time it comes around, at least 4 of them, if not 6 or even all 8, will have plain dropped out. You'll be fine. Just read through the manual idly as you please.

>>51798520
>>51798559

Serious answer: there is no good way to run shadowrun for 8 rookies. It is a very rules-heavy game that slows down even with a reasonably sized group of experienced players.

You don't need six months to prepare, and saying you do is really just politely declining.

All the stuff you need is in the pastebin. Beyond the rule books I would recommend the Hayek Sheets as player and gm aids (https://www.mediafire.com/folder/s8h1ai7hbdgla/Shadowrun#cmff38l1yysq0).

There are a number of fluff books available, the value of which depends on what sort of game you want to run and where. For a basic overview of the setting, Sixth World Almanac (a 4e book) is your best resource. Specific locations have their own books. Metaplot is scattered through a number of fluff and rules books, with the one 5e fluff metaplot book out right being Market Panic (and it's actually quite good).

You will also want to do some ad-libbing of your own to speed things up in game, like rolling initiative for groups of npcs instead of as individuals, and buying hits instead of rolling each of their tests. Teamwork tests are also an option you can have npcs use to cut down on dice rolling.

Where can I find the stats for the Ares Excalibur?

>>51798658
Its less six months to prepare, more i proposed this in december and we wont have time until summer to play because of classes.

What are some ways to go about being a clown street sam?
Also, how do you keep your party from being annihilated by glue on the walls and superslip on the floors?

>>51799522
Define clown. For one, the industrial lubricant stuff mentioned in.. run and gun? Is a bastard to clean off, and expensive. So corporations generally won't bother. A runner is the kind of person who'll have grenades full of the stuff. And most walls will be treated with it if they're a climbing hazard.

>>51799522
Sounds like grenades to me.

Be sure to call your launcher the Party Cannon.

>>51799537
>>51799546
yeah, the runner clown is going to be the one carrying industrial adhesives and lubricants. Grenades and sprayers are likely application methods.

I just want to know how to keep teammates from being fucked up by these hilarious party traps.

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>>51799567
Do skimmers come in boot form? Anyone with cyberlegs should have those installed. Gecko grips might help against the lube. Maybe invest in acquiring special solvents for spot-cleaning those chemical spills.

Really, most of this stuff should be aimed or used to cover your tracks so it's not in the way of your teammates. You'll want to use airburst to help counteract scatter. Unless someone keeps diving into melee or there aren't many easy exits in the room, it shouldn't be too terrible. If you really want, coordinate with the mage to use barriers to direct any blasts.

Consider other "trick" materials as well. Knockout gas, flashpaks, and barrier foam can be handy.

Alternately, just be a mage.

>>51799756
>clown tradition mage
I summon the spirit of pagliacci

>>51799779
But you are Pagliacci

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>>51799791

>>51799756
I'm just sort of worried that we will inevitably need to double back over an area I've rendered untraversable.

And yeah, I will need all sorts of clownin' around bullshit to make this work. Gimmicks are key.

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So, I just handed the party mage 2 grams of Orichalcum - intricate plot by the triad black magic seductionist to sweep her off her feet.

Other then the shit sells for 50k a gram, what is Orichalcum used for? What can you do with it?

>>51798508
There's not a lot of functional difference between body 8 and 7, you'd be better off shifting that point to willpower for the extra stun box, especially with that level of armour you're unlikely to take body that often

>>51799815
>I'm just sort of worried that we will inevitably need to double back over an area I've rendered untraversable.
If it's lube, use plastic bags / sheeting to slide over. Glue dries fairly quickly, but again, plastic.

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>>51799931
You can make foci. Orichalcum weaponry is nice to have, too. It's also still useful as a bargaining chip with other magical beings, maybe spirits.

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>>51799967

Im not really freaking out over the cost, but I did hand it over for its value in what you can do with it, and not its monetary value. If the players want to cash it in, I'm ok with that.

What makes an Orichalcum weapon different then a typical weapon foci?

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>>51799988
Mechanically speaking, each unit of Orichalcum used in the telesma (the base physical form of the focus) adds +2 to the final Enchanting test to create the Focus. Considering most weapon foci must be manufactured by mundane means to be effective as weapons (a -4 to 0 modifier), orichalcum's ability to alloy with iron and other metals is extremely important.

Not much else to it RAW, sadly, and if you're in 5e you have only one dram of the stuff for use as a reagent (and of the same value to all traditions, at least).

>>51798520
Split them in two, interweave their actions into the story and have them meet each other at the end for possibly some pvp or a bar round depending how it went.

Are shadowrun teams used to bring in rampaging corporate experiments?

>>51800903
Absolutely, Mr Johnson will pay to cover his fuck ups, especially if it's a fuck up he's been hiding from his superiors.

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What kind of contact would my decker take to buy/sell cyberdecks, commlinks, programs, and other matrix accessories without an availability test? Could I make this the same person as my electronics fence?

>>51801155
Next question:
Would you enjoy the chance to destroy a rampaging truck that has been possessed by a malevolent spirit?

>>51801169
Most parties would find that a major pain, the possession would make the truck tougher, making it hard to simply destroy head on. Still could be interesting, as they may have to come at it sideways, especially if the truck itself is valuable and Mr Johnson wants it preserved.

>>51801169
That sounds like that one Steven King's book made movie. The one about killer cars.

I'd be game.

>>51801169
>a rampaging truck that has been possessed by a malevolent spirit?

I don't suppose we could just data-spike the truck until it's bricked and non-functional Obviously we'd use lockdown so the truck couldn't just turn the wireless off the moment it sniffs trouble.

>>51801311
Hacking the truck does little to hinder a spirit, as it can still move any physically mobile parts. You'd have to jam it or take it apart to immobilize it.

Anyways, getting it to crash into something at high speed should stop it. Ramming damage goes both ways and you're looking at Body * 3 in DV if you get it going fast enough.

>>51801328
So what you're saying is: Control device, hand the remote-controls over the to the rigger, and let him flip the truck?

>>51801448
What I'm saying is possession might have the same effect as a manual override, so hacking is no good.

What would a burnout way adept with the movement metamagic from beast way (horse) and raptor legs and skimmers look like? Could you go full street-Sam Sanic?

How noticeable are shock gloves? Do they just look like a normal pair of gloves? Or will someone be able to see that you are wearing shock gloves without examining them?

>>51790500
Currently we are in the middle of cold-about-to-be-hot war of the Vory and Dutch against the Dutch and the Vory. Its a cluster fuck that we got dragged into.

So I finally got my core rulebook and as the internet warned me the gluing on it appears to be very weak. From your experience, do they hold the pages despite it or should I save myself the nerves and ask a bookbinder to take it apart and have it sewn ? Could they put it back to the original hard cover after it from your experience ?

>>51801926
Chummer, why did you buy one of the books? For what reason?

GET BACK TO SCHOOL

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