/srg/ - Shadowrun General

Whoever wrote the mage tradition section of the corebook had a hardon for shamans and a fucking loathing for magicians.

>>51767440

Found the touchy magicianfag.

>>51767466
Edgelord black magician when I play them, mostly.

>>51767275
>Birth.BTL
>its always supposed to be an innuendo
So it's to experience being birthed like as a fetish? Something about that just grosses me out.

>>51767788
Everything is someone's fetish.

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>>51767275
>How do you handle family in the shadows?

The only character I had with a family was my first shadowrun character ever - a fullblood navajo coyote shaman troublemaker. He had a huge extended family out in the NAN, but specifically, he had his twin brother who was an important man in the NAN military, leader of men, etc. And so he would constantly get in my characters business when anything he did might even remotely reflect badly on him or the family name.

It essentially turned into a huge benny hill skit with big bro chasing character through the shadows with a truckload of NAN military commandos while my character giggled to himself like a madman

>>51767275
>How do you handle family in the shadows?
Depends on the kind of family.
>Are they just a Negative Quality or just background you never mention?
They are a negative quality if they fall into the Dependents slot, but if they're there they will be mentioned in most games I run, otherwise the player is just getting free points for nothing.
>Is building a family possible while running?
Not only is it possible, we have several examples of it in-universe.
Weather it's WISE to build a family while running is something else alltogether.

>>51767788
>not wanting to slither out of a distended vagina, slick with amniotic fluids and attached to the woman via your navel

Are you gay or something?

Are the Apep Consortium mentioned at all in 5e? I'm having trouble finding a reference.

And in Aetherology, there's a spirit typed mentioned called the "Nephilim". Any ideas?

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>>51767275
>How do you handle family in the shadows? Are they just a Negative Quality or just background you never mention? Is building a family possible while running?
I've said it once and I'll say it again: people with low life expectancies from their jobs shouldn't have dependents and vice versa, but life doesn't always give those people a choice in the matter.

Also, don't be Slamm-0 and Netcat. Just don't.

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>>51769183
>Also, don't be Slamm-0 and Netcat

Why not?


Also, I wonder what our blood magic apologist has to say on the family topic. I'd bet hard nuyen that he took dependant as a negative quality so he has a sacrifice for his power right off the bat

>>51767275
>Is building a family possible while running?
My runner adopted the technomancer kid they rescued from a lab during a run, so, kinda?

>>51769209
>I'd bet hard nuyen that he took dependant as a negative quality so he has a sacrifice for his power right off the bat

... You talk as if that wasn't a brilliant idea for role-play.

>>51769258

>taking a negative quality to use as a positive quality and completely missing the idea that killing your daughter or elderly mother is bad for your mental health

Yeah that sounds like that blood magic faggotface

>>51769209
>Why not?
Let me list the reasons:
>instead of leaving their crotchspawn with the normie parent, they have to hire a babysitter every time they go out to make money
>they don't even like each other that much
>in fact, it seems Netcat actively dislikes Slamm-0 and would've left him if he were not her babydaddy
>Slamm-0 is an overweight, unattractive manchild
>seriously, those dreads would be mediocre on a black guy and he's painfully fucking white
>they;re a drama family with plot armor
>this is speculation, but as I see it the only reason Clockwork didn't go after Netcat while she was pregnant is because he thought to himself "if that kid is a technomancer too, then I can bag two toaster-lovers for the effort of bagging one"

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>>51769283
He's not that ugly.

>>51767275
My first SR character had a 10 year old daughter she had sole guardianship of. Usually when I was on a run or doing legwork I'd make sure to drive her to her great-uncle's garage. It's funny because since we were running at night she eventually thought I was a prostitute or something. It was great fun to try to roleplay two different characters depending on where I was.

Kinda changed when the mafia firebombed my apartment thought.

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>>51769283

Is this from 5e fluff?

From everything I've read, Slamm-0 is described as handsome, but hes also nerdy into a buncha stuff that Netcat finds boring. I always saw them like penny and leonard in a way.

Dude, is Clockwork that much of an asshole? Holy shit

>>51769268
Not even.

I was just wondering, I mean sure, it's not good for your mental health, it's gotta have serious consequences and if I was the GM I'd just go "hey, if you want to have a daughter/grandmother/whatever who you're gonna sacrifice in a blood ritual, that sounds like a cool story, but forget about that being a quality awarding points to you" but the idea itself seems cool.

Also, on an unrelated note, you guys know how to mechanically model a character who is a member of a corporate family? I'm not just talking about the Sinner thing, what other things should I take into account? Like reasonably speaking what kind of lifestyle should I have and what priority should nuyen have for my character?

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>>51769302

This is official art for him

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>>51769302
That's not Slamm-0!

>>51769311
I dunno what the novels say, but the art tells me he's ugly. And yes, Clockwork is that much of an asshole.

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>>51769335
>>51769328
That's Slamm-0 before he hooked up to Netcat.

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>>51769335
>Clockwork is that much of an asshole.

Thats the kinda shit where you not only get booted off Jackpoint, but Fastjack leaks your details to someone like Picador, and you get fucking blackbagged by mercs

>>51769364
Why is this crack-addicted whore getting art?

>>51769364

Thats not incredibly flattering art

>>51769268
On the other hand, anyone becoming a blood mage is rarely sane to begin with. Perhaps not insane enough to turn on his own; but it's just a matter of time. Power corrupts, chummer.

>>51769381
If I recall correctly it was taken by Clockwork through a surveilance drone.

>>51769380
Are you a middle eastern hobgoblin drone rigger?

>>51769373
Honestly, that's exactly what would've happened if the writers didn't need to keep him around for drama.

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>>51769364
And this is a picture of the family in a short story from Run Faster.

>>51769398
Bruh, look at her. Even for orc art, she's ugly as all shit, and she straight looks like a crackwhore.

>>51769409

Apparently Clockwork has been around in the shadowrun lore since at least 3rd edition, and maybe even earlier.

I liked the references to him in Dragonfall and Hong Kong

>>51769424
>Even for orc art
Actually she's an elf, that's how fucked up she is in that pic.

>>51769424
>Your technomancers don't look like crackwhores.
>Always on hot-sim
>Eat the minimum required to sustain yourself.
>Have to live in shitty areas and stay off the grid permanently.
>Probably medical conditions up the wazoo from your hobo lifestyle.

That's how I imagine most technomancers live before they become runners.

>>51769432
Wasn't he eaten by Apex?

>>51769422
So don't be Netcat and Slamm-0?

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>>51769422

Oh god, Slamm-0 is fat

I had hoped the writers were above making signature hackers into stereotypes, but I guess not

>>51769449
Right, don't be Netcat and Slamm-0.

>>51769449
>Wasn't he eaten by Apex?

If that was the canon ending, but then again, I don't even know if the SRR games are even considered canon or not

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>>51769450
He isn't the only fat decker.

>>51769470
Well, Jake Armitage does show up as a personafix in.....Shattered State, I think? Either Shattered State or London Falling.

>>51769471
That's thick at worst, and most likely just bad art.

>>51769471

Thats not fat

Also DevGrrl is still a teenager - she was in JrHigh in 4e, so she might be going into college by 5e

>>51769470
The 5e AGS book has stuff on Apex. It survived the crash by hibernating and will be expanded upon in upcoming supplements (most likely the Berlin pdf).

>>51769503
She's 22 in 78.

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>>51769544

Lovely...

>>51769569
Remind me what Apex is again and why we should all dread its return.

>>51769579

Super Black IC AI that eats Deckers and steals their memories - its implied that it has to do this to survive.

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>>51769579
Apex is love

>>51769585
Oh shit, that almost sounds like some sort of technovampire.

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>>51769595

FUCK YOU

I KILLED YOU

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51769569
Well, at least Apex didn't get a certain host.

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>>51769604
Did you?

>>51769579
Bad news of the "DEUS" kind, chummer...

>>51769373
I always got the feeling that Clockwork is the only reason Slamm-O and Netcat still have a kid. He knew about the contract on the kid, knew about the kid, didn't do shit despite being close enough to tell the kid's eye colour. Erupts at Slamm-O when he gets patronising, but ignores him otherwise. There's a mention in another book somewhere about the things he has to do for free, where he's muttering darkly in a comment related to the kid. Sure, he tried to sell Netcat, but Hobgoblins have their own weird sense of personal honor. The moment something crosses that, he hates it.

>>51769646

That would definitely make him an faceted and interesting character

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>>51769422
>PERKY
>CHOCOLATE
>NIPPLES

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>>51769450
Well, they can't make Bull fat, because he's a turboneckbeard IRL. So it has to be Slamm-O. Smiling Bandit is a gracefully aging older man according to art, and I can't think of any other male hackers.

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>>51769673

>mohawk isn't pink

Lame. as. fuck.

>>51769635
I still haven't figured out what the big deal with DEUS is. Sure, he held the entire Renraku arcology hostage, but that doesn't make him a threat to the shadowrunning community and he wasn't capable of fulfilling the promises he made to his otaku cult. Why is he being discussed in the shadows?

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>>51769685

>>51769692
Crash 2.0, chummer, Crash 2.0.

Worst part? Fucker ain't gone yet.

>>51769745
>Crash 2.0
>not gone yet
Ah, yes, that would do it.

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>>51769760

And the fact that out of the 15,000 people in the Renraku Arcology, barely a thousand got out alive - apparently whatever happened in there was grisly and straight up nightmare fuel

>>51769646
>>51769656
Hypothetical question: is there anything that Clockwork would be willing to throw his life away for? Like, would he be willing to die to make sure that the cure for Methuselah syndrome was made available to the general public for a reasonable price?

So how do the SINless keep anything? Ever? Just buy a rating 6 sin and hope that it never gets popped while they're busy living their High lifestyle?

>>51769829
Probably not. If there was, it'd be some really weird combination of his own personal honor and experiences leading him to a point where he either dies, or sees everything about himself be proven false. Moral rubicon.

>>51769832
Most can't afford fake SINs and live street or squatter lifestyles where they can only keep what they can physically protect.

>>51769851
Yeah, but some end up as Shadowrunners or lucky idiots with a big chunk of money, so that's what i'm looking for.

>>51769856
Well, from my experience the average shadowrunner uses an R4 fake SIN while working and uses either a R6 fake SIN or a real SIN when they retire.

>>51769745
>Mistakenly free a fragment of DEUS from NSA headquarters.
>Mirage telling me I'm an idiot.
Oh boy, time to go kill a god.

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I'm having an issue with Chummer where when I try to initiate and add a metamagic, it lists having that metamagic as a prereq for getting it, so I can't get any. Any idea how to fix this?

Pic related

>>51769941
Add the art of centering first.

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>>51769941
One day I'll get around to fixing that behaviour to properly show you why it's blocked. I swear some of the decisions Adam made are just mind-boggling.

Anyway, you need the Centering Art first.

>>51769953
Ayy, we're good now. Cheers omae.

>>51769953
>>51769972
Wuts dat?

>>51769972
And thank you based yekka.

>>51769656
I'm hoping there's a bit in a future book where they're doing their usual sniping bullshit at everyone and someone erupts and starts dropping truth bombs. Maybe having paid Haze to help out in the whole 'constant foiling of assassins on the kid' thing for a real mindfuck.

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>>51769997
>Maybe having paid Haze to help out in the whole 'constant foiling of assassins on the kid' thing for a real mindfuck.
Just imagine if it turns out he's been some sort of reverse Zoom for this kid.

>>51769422
Jesus fuckin christ, he looks fuckin' dead inside.

>>51770300
He might be.

Uh, did the Roll20 export option for Chummer disappear?

>>51767275
Just wondering, are there any worthwhile Sniper Rifles one can buy at chargen?

>>51771447
Ares Desert Strike is expensive, but it's chargen legal and worth the investment.

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>>51768242
My nigger. I had a very similar character, except mine did not Awaken but his brother did. Bro went on to a successful career in Sioux politics, my character got some 'ware and slid into the shadows as a face/Cheyenne fixer.

After many sessions we finally met in-game, and had a long argument about who Dad liked better.

Are there examples of the scale of A Corps anywhere? I'm thinking of introducing one as a recurring Johnson for the runners in my group. Probably a small arms manufacturer.

>>51771500
Isn't that the weapon that is a rifle equivalent of a smartphone? the one which is incapable of taking just a bit of dirt?

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>>51771554
well 3e had this in Corporate Download

>>51771541
>After many sessions we finally met in-game, and had a long argument about who Dad liked better.
I chuckled a little.

>>51771603
Quite the opposite actually.
>Ares Desert Strike: This combat-hardened sniper rifle is intended for long-range shooting in harsh environments. That means it was built without materials or technologies prone to failure. It comes equipped with a rigid stock with shock pad and a detachable imaging scope.

>>51771603
You're thinking of the Ranger Arms SM5, the one that can fit into a briefcase if I recall.

>>51771627
and 4e had this
>A-Rated Corporations

>You want a rating, you better be a multinational. You don’t have to have too many “multis” in there, though—significant operations in two different countries is enough.
>Once a corporation hits a certain size, going multinational is a logical step—different countries have different laws, which means you have at least two different sets of loopholes to squirm
>through. It also means two different sets of legal requirements and tax filings to deal with, but most corps of any size figure the benefits are worth the hassle.
>Then there’s the golden plum of getting a Corporate Court rating—you fall under Corporate Court jurisdiction, and youcan put together your own defense force to fight off any threats.

>Congratulations, but don’t let it go to your head. Single-A corps don’t have extraterritoriality (see below), and they’re usually not big enough to push around national governments on their own.
>That means they usually need to make at least a show of playing nice. While by any normal terms A-rated corps are huge entities, they’re the small fries of Corporate Court ratings.
>They often find themselves to be the target of aggressive merger and acquisitions teams—more than one corporation has decided that the easiest
>way to go from AA status to AAA is to simply add another A. If you catch my drift.

4e Corporate guide p12

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>>51771686
>>51771627
Alright that's mostly what I thought. Thanks for the info chummer.

While coming up with this corp, I realized that are no .50 BMG battle rifles in the game. So their primary niche is heavy weapons for big metatypes or heavily chromed people for use against other big metatype and heavily chromed people. Also drones. Their flagship weapon is the aforementioned .50 BMG battle rifle.

>>51771805
>battle rifle
What even is a battle rifle, and how is it different from an assault rifle?

>>51771820
Full power rifle cartridge like .30-06 instead of an intermediate caliber like .223.

So this wouldn't really be a battle rifle either, but it's closer to that than an assault rifle.

>>51771851
What's the minimum rate of fire on them? I think the Ultimax Rain Forest Carbine from Gun H(e)aven 3 might fit the bill.

>>51771820
Battle rifles are chambered in a full power rifle round such as 7.62/.308/.30-06 whereas assault rifles are chambered in intermediate calibers like 5.56 or 5.45

>>51771921
They don't really have a minimum rate of fire and most of them have fire selectors much like assault rifles, but are used in a sharpshooter role in most militaries so you wouldn't be using it very much.

>>51771805
Battle rifles exist in 4e but as part of the generally panned WAR! splat.

Those of you who are still godly men, how do we strike back against the heathen menace?
Cool Catholic Campaign ideas
>Mary is actually an insanely powerful Free Spirit and manifests at the Vatican one day to hurdle the Vatican to AAA status

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>>51769450
>I had hoped the writers were above making signature hackers into stereotypes, but I guess not

Did you not read the thing in Data Trails Slamm-0! wrote about what it means to be a hacker? It was some hardcore stereotype bullshit.

>>51772592
Any faith in the sixth world is pretty tarded because the magical world is subjective. All religions are at least partially true because spirits will react to any religions practices and rituals and spirits will manifest however you want them to.

>>51772592
>Cool Catholic Campaign ideas
The Catholic church really isn't in a good place right now. The corps and governments have really taken over the social engineering business, and as
>>51772868
has said, magic and spirits have lent credibility to all religions. And that's to say nothing of the status of Catholicism is Aztlan, which I would describe as "trampled underfoot" at best.

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>>51769832
>>51769892
Money buys happiness, anon. If you have a boatload of cash, you buy an R6 SIN and pay off the local government officials/police chief to not look too closely. Or you move to somewhere else that it doesn't use SINs, like Yakut, or establish a compound in the Barrens with a lot of guards and live as a slumlord.

>>51770300
He's a Marlins fan, of course he's dead inside.

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>>51772989
>If you have a boatload of cash, you buy an R6 SIN and pay off the local government officials/police chief to not look too closely.
Do you really need to do that with a R6 fake SIN? I don't know precisely how common each grade of SIN scanner is, other than that R1 is ubiquitous, but even going up again an R6 scanner it's rare that a R6 fake SIN would ever get busted.

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>>51772968
>implying Catholics in Aztlan aren't the greatest heroes

They have a huge following among the poor, they have an ongoing rebellion that thwarts some of Aztlan's most evil operations, and they worked with the rebels in the Yucatan and Bogata to foil the Azzies outright.

Yekka, question/request for Chummer! You used to be able to add notes in the martial arts tab, but can't anymore. Is there a reason for it? Could you re-add that ability?

>>51773121
It's kind of funny, the Azzies stomping on the church only made the church have to go back to it's roots and become good again.

>>51773121
>and they worked with the rebels in the Yucatan and Bogata to foil the Azzies outright.
Look, about Bogota....that was a definitive Aztlan victory.

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>>51773118
By the math of the game, yes. I'm saying that as an end goal for a character, buying a custom SIN forged so perfectly it might as well be real, and then buying off anyone who might be inclined to question it, is a good exit strategy.

>>51773573
My strategy is to run my way onto the board of a triple-A. Then I'll have really made it.

Do I really need to know all the rules besides the fact that checks are "stat+skill+modifiers" and which are used for what, how the damage tracks and armor work, and how karma is distributed?

I really don't want to reread most of this and my players don't know shit about shadowrun.

If anything, what are some things I absolutely must know that I should check?

>>51773623
read the fucking book
Know combat, the ballpark for thresholds, etc
If you have a mage read the magic section
Read the matrix section to fuck up your street sam because none of you faggots will want to play a decker first game

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>>51773606
And then you can meet all your old friends from the shadows when they get weekly contracts to assassinate you. Good times.

>>51773573
Well, if one is really that concerned about the chances of their R6 fake SIN being busted while they're living a life of luxury retirement, then a more cost-effective solution would simply be to either earn a real SIN as part of the reward for their last run, or to have any real SIN that they already possess scrubbed clean of anything that would make it a problem to use.

>>51773623
Yeah, no, just try a different game. Or a module to run Shadowrun with a different mechanics. In this game the GM is kind of forced to be an autist.

>>51773662
Yeah, but then I can kill them with armies of bodyguards - imagine having Evo's SSD being the ones trying to stop you FROM getting killed. That'd be the life, man.

>>51773700
It's canonical that it's effectively impossible to get a SIN issued to a person other than the child of citizens at the moment of birth in a witnessed hospital. The UCAS supposedly has a path through the Supreme Court, but it's never been successfully completed.

And if your goal is to be a good enough corporate bitch that an AA or AAA will deign to allow you to give them tax money if you work exclusively for them... well, you clearly don't want your freedom anyways.

>>51773790
What makes getting the SIN so hard?

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>>51773854
Basically they don't want to give out SINs, because SINs are citizenship, and citizenship comes with rights. Everyone, governments and corporations, benefits from the large pool of uncommitted labour and money that is the SINless population, a market they can tap into and fight over without directly targeting each other.

Currently there's a big thing going down with de la Mar (the woman responsible for the post-2.0 Matrix and GOD) trying to make SINs universal for everyone, everywhere, with control of the Registry in the hands of an empowered Corporate Court. She's got a fetish for data collection, tagging, and centralization.

>>51773752
Yeah, except deep down you know that there are people in the shadows far more creative and resourceful than the people protecting you.

>>51773790
Getting a national SIN isn't as hard as you think. They hand them out all the time when people change citizenships, so if you were owed a favor by the right people you could exchange a fake SIN for a real national SIN under the guise of a change in citizenship. As for corporate citizenship, well that's not my style but if your last run is a difficult one, then I don't see why a corp would have any problem with handing you a SIN and letting you fuck off to your private land to retire in peace. Or if the corp just has to make everyone they give a SIN to do some work for them, I don't see why they wouldn't let a shadowrunner have an adviser position, a consultant position, a Mr.Johnson position or some other position that doesn't really involve much work and amounts to semi-retirement.

>>51774105
Depending on how you get there, you can keep the respect - or fear - the streets have you and still be an elite.

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Guys I have more of a writing/game logistic problem, less a SR problem.

I want to bring my campaign to an end, it started as a slice of life type of game for me and my group to learn the rules. They've learned as much as they're ever going to at this point, and I want to shut it down and start fresh. My players are fuck-all in the department of actually cracking down on their own personal goals and need to be spoonfed 90% of the content at any given time.

Outside of a narratively exciting TPK, I can't come up with a good way to close out the game without saying "Alright fuckers, roll some new characters."

>>51774226
>My players are fuck-all in the department of actually cracking down on their own personal goals and need to be spoonfed 90% of the content at any given time.
Hm. This doesn't sound like it's going to be easy. What are their remaining personal goals? Maybe you could tie them all into 1 last run that's going to set them up for retirement.

>>51773854
The same thing that makes every other thing ha... Difficult, Chumm- Corporations. It's absolutely within their interests to make sure that the only people having SINs are the ones working for them.

>>51774206
Hell, you could just make it your business to hire shadowrunners often enough that they don't want to assassinate you.

>>51774635
Shadowrunner end game goal: Shadowrunning INC

>>51774648
Professional shadowrunners? That'll be the day.

>>51774635
>>51774648
>>51774687
It's called "being the top Mr.Johnson in your corp".

>>51774735
Fuck that. It's called Johnson Industries.

>>51774861
Oh, so you're looking to be a fixer then?

>>51774894
A fixer for hundreds of different shadowrunning teams. It's got retirement plans, dental coverage, and you don't even have to be sinless. Other corps contact the company, the company selects the best team they have for the mission, and then dispenses payment. Corps get personalized service and a much greater chance of successful runs, and they never have to directly interact with a team of violent sociopaths.

>>51774894
...A BIG fixer corp, man. Running all the runs in Vladivostok, for example. Eventually branch out and go transnational.

>>51774941
Not to mention runners stop getting fucked and can maybe stop being paranoid crazies trying to kill Mr. Johnson because Johnson tried to fuck them/use them as suicide-bait. It's even more deniable if something goes wrong, because Mr. Johnson never directly spoke to the runners.

>>51774226
Look to the SR games for insiration.
The thing I really liked about their endings is that what happens next is up to your imagineation with nearly limitless possiabilites on where it could go. (Minus the hong kong dlc). End with a big mission then a questtion.

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>>51774941
I've actually reached this endgame after my first SR game, founded a single A corp and rented out "Private Security Contractors" that were essentially just runners given a R5 fake SIN.

You're going to need millions of nuyen in endgame to get there thought.

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>>51773929
Bare with me on this one:
>R6 Fake SIN
>"Alternate life; all statistics match; valid biometrics with samples; complete and entirely believable history"
If I were to acquire a fake SIN for say, the CAS, and then with it 'immigrate' to the UCAS, would that give a slim opportunity to acquire a legit SIN?

>>51774257
I gave this some thought.. They don't have the *best* personal goals. Mostly "I am make money" or some version of that. One wants to retire into a Fixer, but beyond that they have nebulous personal desires outside of the short term.

>>51775109
I sort of just started Dragonfall, and I only vaguely remember Returns. Are you suggesting a big ass run with a kind of a grey ending?

>>51774941
>It's got retirement plans, dental coverage
Ah, see, you're going to run into some problems there. You know how in Run Fasters, there's this bit that says that out of 10 cops, 1 is clean, 1 is dirty and the other 8 are trying to stay clean while somehow still getting dirty? With shadowruns, 1 is an outright anarchist, 1 is an obedient bitchboy, and the other 8 are mercenaries. Shadowrunners in general aren't very comfortable with the idea of having a permanent, constant authority figure they have to report to; fixers are middlemen in the shadowrunning community, not bosses. That said, as middlemen they hook up shadowrunners with more than just Mr.Johnson, so your selling point is less "free dental" and more "I know a great dentist who doesn't ask questions".

>Other corps contact the company, the company selects the best team they have for the mission, and then dispenses payment. Corps get personalized service and a much greater chance of successful runs, and they never have to directly interact with a team of violent sociopaths.
That's pretty standard fixer services, actually. If Mr.Johnson didn't call you directly (and sometimes even if he did), then you were handpicked by your fixer, and it's not unheard of for a fixer to let Mr.Johnson use him as a proxy.

>>51775472
>bare with me
>bare
You're american, aren't you?

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>>51775783
Why do you give a shit?

>>51775472
It's possible, but I wouldn't recommend trying it without being owed a favor by the head of immigration just to be safe. If there are SIN scanners better than R6, then immigration is where you're going to find them.

>>51775806
Why would I miss an opportunity to make fun of clapistanians?

>>51769692
The scariest aspect of DEUS, arguably, was that it uploaded fragments of itself into people's brains and turned them into sleeper agents.

>>51773929
I mean... After they managed to make a supreme body of bodyless hackers who can spy on literally everybody having unparalleled power in the Matrix with a home-base on a space station I will buy ANY bullshit.

Does adept centering work on called shots?

>>51776787
Don't see why it wouldn't

What's a good system to run the Shadowrun setting in that isn't the mess that is Shadowrun?

>>51777778
There's a Blades in the Dark hack for SR

>>51777794
A GOOD system, not narrativist garbage.

>>51777881
Then tell us what you mean with "Good System" faggot
otherwise we're just gonna name SR hacks we know of

>>51777917
Just name the SR hacks. Something good would be something like GURPS or Heartrip, lots of detail while still being fun to play.

>>51777950
>Something good
>GURPS

>>51775747
Not him, but returns was pretty shit compared to dragonfall and hong kong. It's not bad, it's just that the devs clearly learned from returns and made noticable improvements to the two next games. It's kind of refreshing really.

This is speaking froma video games standpoint though, I can't really comment on the lore aspect. The games is how I got into contact with the setting, and I'm still absorbing fluff left and right.

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>>51767275
I'm looking for inspiration media of artificial intelligence and exploring the idea of how artificial intelligence with capabilities far beyond our own would interact in the world.

My next campaign I am starting soon I want to dive deep into the matrix and explore it's more abstract concepts. The idea is that the main mcguffin of the story will be an AI with unique capacities that each faction is trying to control form themselves.

I'm having some issue with chummer. Using Life Module char gen, i'm trying to delete a negative quality of a bought pack to buy it off, but the karma balance isn't changing when I do that. Is there an actual buy off button i'm missing ?

>>51777967
What's wrong with GURPS? It can play anything with any amount of realism, and works well for any system.

>>51778793
*It can play anything with a bare-minimum of functionality and no real depth.

Telling someone to play GURPS is like someone saying they want to watch a movie, and you tell them you have a VCR in 2017.

So, on reaction plus edge checks to avoid damage from suppressive fire, would the combat sense adept power add onto that pool?

>>51779266
I don't see why not. But just drop prone. literally no downside other then a normal action being eaten up.

How important is Reaction if I don't drive? Is +1 dodge/initiative/physical limit worth 20 karma?

>>51779644
Get Reaction/Intuition as high as you can, it grants the equivalent of armour that can not be penetrated. You will die without it unless you minmax another method.

>>51775819
Even an R3 scanner can pop an R6 sin, which sucks. It's %0.1 of a chance, but still. Given the fiction, a SIN gets checked a few hundred times a day for a legitimate citizen. It's a bit fucked, basically says you'll be popped no matter what.

>>51780201
Defenders win on ties. a R3 SIN checker has no chance of beating a R6 SIN since it'd need four successes.

>>51780230
I mean 7, my bad

>>51780230
Yeah, but it's going to flag the SIN for 'extra verification' by the operator. Even if only 1/100 people care enough to bother..

>>51780201
>Even an R3 scanner can pop an R6 sin
No it can't. On a tie (6 hits vs R6 SIN), the operator is suspicious, but has nothing concrete to go on, and the SIN remains unburnt.

>>51775472
Fake SINs are for relatively brief inspection. Putting one through the rigmarole of bureaucracy is just going to get it burnt.

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>>51780803
jesus christ, guys.

>>51780828
Is.. is that Jetstream Sam combined with Vincent Valentine?

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>>51780846
Designed by Takeshi Okazaki, the guy who does Afro Samurai, yeah. He's the protagonist of Furi, a boss rush game with a good synthwave soundtrack. Definitely my GOTY 2016.

Our most recent game, I realised why high-agi characters are so creepy. These are people who can potentially walk at 14 km/h.

So I'm starting up a new game and one of my players has a moderate allergy to soy. How screwed is he?

What are some interesting ways to play with this?

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Does a baby count as a foreign body for purposes of detecting pregnancy with Assensing?

The Assensing table states that bioware can be detected at 4 hits, and symbionts are included under bioware, so I assumed so.

Also do fetuses have souls? Do they drain Essence from the mother? This is important.

5e

>>51781234
It's possible to avoid, but it's not easy. Krill, insects, and mycoprotein will be their base food substances of choice.

>>51781273
>Also do fetuses have souls?
Reading too many religious pamphlets, chummer.
>Do they drain Essence from the mother?
No.

>>51781234
Woof, that's hard to dodge these days unless you've got the money for real food. He'll need to bring his own meals everywhere. Rashes will affect his social skills, runny noses will leave his DNA everywhere, he'll get the farts.

>>51781234
Point him at the custom lifestyle rules in Run Faster.
>>51781273
Without becoming UltraPence, I'd go with 1 success for an older fetus, 4 for a younger one. They don't drain essence, and souls aren't really discussed in Shadowrun outside of being a vague reference to karma and essence.

>>51781273
I would rule that babies don't generate their own aura/Essence until around the third trimester. Until then they share their aura/Essence with that of the mother.

>>51781273
>>51781293
>>51781305
Okay, to weigh in on this, I'm going to have to agree, and say that yes, in 4e, a fetus WOULD drain essence, but not in the manner you would think.

At nine weeks, the fetus actually becomes a fetus, and thus, would not have a soul. The essence drain begins there, and every month after the ninth week, an essence is drained; this is what leads to point two: Essence Drain's effects and the psychological ramifications of Essence Drain. Anyway.

Like the Renfield drug from 4e, every month the fetus drains 1 essence from the mother, and the mother gains 1d6 essence back. This is why some babies are born prematurely - the mother simply has no more essence left to give, and it just says "Yo fuck this I'm out man". It also explains why some mothers die in childbirth - they just fucked their rolls.

Part 2 of the ideal is that that the psychological addiction of essence drain - some people are just so weak willed that they need it, and thus, like in the trideo series, the need and want to get pregnant as much as possible. Never thought I'd be typing this out, but the fetus mindbreaks the mother and forces her to want to get pregnant again. Ahegao, begging for it, etc etc.

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>>51781374

>>51781374
>At nine weeks, the fetus actually becomes a fetus, and thus, would not have a soul
You mean aura, and every living thing has an aura, right down to bacteria.

No essence drain.

>>51781428
To counter with bait - Fetuses don't have auras.

>>51781444
You can provide "alternative" facts if you want.

>>51781461
This is merely within the scope of the rules and how I would rule them as a GM.

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>>51781374
>babies are Renfield
>drives women into breeding frenzy

>>51781472
Everything is within the scope of rule 0.

Pregnancy quality and rules are in Bullets & Bandages.

>>51781552
>>51781472
To go even further into the Expanded Pregnancy Ruleset (EPR), one could say that to resist the psychological addiction during the EPR, a simple Will + Intuition would be required; willpower representing the mother's internal organs strength (instead of body, but I will explain that in a moment) and Intuition representing the mother's ability to maintain her wits. As this is not a physical addiction, the mother would have to fight the child astrally - it is attempting to devour her soul, in a manner of speaking.

Every month, however, the child loses an essence - this is why miscarriages happen. In a sense, the mother has to lose just enough of her soul to be able to keep the fetus alive, as well as herself from going into shock and whathaveyou. In any event, at the end of the pregnancy, the mother and child will both have X/6 Essence, with X being the mother's original essence (the remaining from Renfield is pumped into the child to bring them up to 6, and if there is not enough, just put it at 6 anyway. Or give the child horrific mutations or something, babies are born fucking weirdass progerians all the time.)

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>>51781760
I mean I get it's basically an Extended Test (1 month) but
>the mother would have to fight the child astrally

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>>51773004
>Marlins

Mariners. Marlins are Miami baseball - Mariners are Seattle.

Thats one of Slamm-0's defining traits is that hes a major nerd on all things seattle sports

>>51781840
Those cravings? Fuel for the fight, they are trying to spike blood sugar and salt count to weaken the beast.

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>>51781760
>the mother would have to fight the child astrally

This is serious the funniest thing I've heard in a week. I really need that. Your autism is a gift, anon.

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>>51781760
I can see you've spent some time thinking about this, but what if the parent/child aren't Awakened and therefore can't do astral combat?

Checkmate wizfags

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>>51781919
Then I guess she's getting fucked twice.

>>51781957
>>51781919
Nah, just kidding. You don't need to be a mage to do astral combat, as astral combat is actually just an expression of Something + Willpower; since mages are illogical, they can use charisma or logic or intuition.

Logical, rational beings can use Intuition and Willpower.

Checkmate, normie.

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I really just wanted to know if I could Assense pregnancy, my GM said it wouldn't count as a "malady" or "general health" so I was looking for an in.

But this is fine.

>>51781991
>Magic skills are reserved for those who practice magic. In order to acquire magic-specifc skills, characters must be an Aspected Magician, Magician, or Mystic Adept.
>In order to use these skills, their Magic rating must be 1 or higher.

Only Arcana is available to mundanes.

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>>51782112
We don't do things halfway round here chummer. Halfway gets people killed or worse, making some corp deal.

>>51782278
As I said, 4e.

Attacks of Will are in 4e.

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So, hear me out: What if I just, maybe, possibly, kinda used my sniper rifle indoors instead of passively camping on a roof top in a stereotypical fashion? Is that stupid?

>>51782439
If it's good enough for Eiger, I don't see why you can't.
The main issue with them is that they're bloody conspicuous, but if if you're going to the trouble of getting an assault rifle into a place, it's not really mechanically any harder to get a sniper rifle in, either way they're getting a 10 dice bonus to spot the thing.

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>>51781374
>Part 2 of the ideal is that that the psychological addiction of essence drain - some people are just so weak willed that they need it, and thus, like in the trideo series, the need and want to get pregnant as much as possible. Never thought I'd be typing this out, but the fetus mindbreaks the mother and forces her to want to get pregnant again. Ahegao, begging for it, etc etc.
This is stupid and all, but on the other hand the idea of a woman begging me to put my child inside her gives me a special kind of boner.

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>>51782439
inb4 automaticsfags

Usually the issue with snipers in firefights is their low rate of fire and high detection rate, but thankfully Longarms also lets you use FA shotguns.

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>>51782569
Amen to that, breeder.

>>51782574
As an automaticsfag, I 100% approve of the use of FA shotguns.

>>51781760
Can I kill a target by getting her pregnant by slipping in a very small drone with a cyberdick , containing brain-washing software to teach the fetus to fight the mother in astral combat?

Which metagenetic quality do you think would better represent a Rhino-like Nose horn, Goring Horns or Larger Tucks /srg?

>>51782713
I don't have a reaction image for this, but I do want to point out that tutorsofts (and thus, drones) can't teach you or a fetus jackshit about astral combat.

>>51782761
So it would have to be possessed by a task spirit?

>>51769322
The only time I did that it was with a runaway from an arcology. I would make sure all his equipment is made by the corp his family is from, though.

>>51782880
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>>51782569

>>51769450
Sometimes middle aged men are just fat, dude.

>>51782761
>tutorsofts (and thus, drones) can't teach you or a fetus jackshit about astral combat

I could see this being a thing. Some douche starts selling implanted instructional software on the premise that people can teach their children to do things before they even receive their birth certificates.

>Make your child a prodigy with these prenatal music and dance tutorsofts!
>Teach your baby to walk before he takes his first step!
>Give your child a head start in mathematics with the Fetal Math learning supplement!
>Make your child a born spirit warrior with the fundamentals of Spiritual Combat!

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>>51783459
>Make your child a prodigy with these prenatal music and dance tutorsofts!
>Teach your baby to walk before he takes his first step!
>Make your child a born spirit warrior with the fundamentals of Spiritual Combat!
Yeah, that's going to result in something like pic related.

>>51783506
>>51783459
And this is why I autism'd this up.

If you have any other odd questions, I'm still here.

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>>51775752
Yeah, or you offer a pension and everyone argues over whether it should be shares in a fund or what you're doing with "their" money that they should have gotten for their run or what age they should be able to collect or if that age is fair to specific metatypes or if hackers need to retire at all and all this other minute drek. It's like herding cats, omae.

>>51781374
This is so creepy and sadly explains the quiverfull movement. Fuck it, I'm making it house rules in my game. But it will probably never come up because no one at my table really plays female characters so I'll probably just have some creepy NPC with 50 kids die in childbirth and their kids are like a small army the PCs have to take down or something.

>>51775472
>>51775783
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sxtHODemi0

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Since the german SOTA book will be released in a few month, would you be interested in translated german crunch?

>>51783768
Or maybe have the unenviable task of relocating each of them. Turns out the slag bedded some very prominent individuals and various clients are looking to grab their progeny in the hopes of harvesting/sampling certain inherited traits (Awakened/Emerged, biocompatibility, Type O, SURGE, geneware, you name it) so not only do you have to track down each kid you have to track down their fathers.

>>51783798
Even if no one says 'yes', someone will be.

>>51783798
Did Patrick Goodman or any of the other dickheads have anything to do with it?

>>51783798
>He efcaped from the fecret inftallation where he waf created, and turned Berling into an Anarchift Hell on Earth

>>51783828
You try talking normally with a mouthful of tusks.

>>51783823
It has to be greenlighted by CGL as far as I know, but it will be written by the german team (although some of the german writers also worked on CGL books as wel).

>>51783864
Bateman's just the worst part of the whole 'rawr rawr black trenchcoat all the way' crew, that's all. He hates anything he calls a special snowflake even more than /tg/, and he thinks anyone who isn't a paranoid lunatic in their basement sending hacking instructions out piecemeal by email to compile programs is a special snowflake. Any book he touches inevitably turns to shit. But if he's not, yeah, translate that mother.

I'm gearing up to start a game located mainly in NYC, but I'm reading up on how restrictive the Manhatten Sprawl is and starting to question if I should do that or not. Does anyone have any examples of games taking place in New York City or think it's possible at all, or should I just start my street-level runners out in Seattle like most?

>>51783894
If itss any indication, the german translation of Howling Shadows contained prices and availability for critters.

>>51783908
Manhattan is 'This is here so that the GM can put the black trenchcoat runs in and fuck the team over because you forgot to pick up every hair you shed on the run: the city'. Throw it out or play somewhere more fun.

>>51783908
There's probably a season of Missions in NYC.

>>51784756
>"Send us a photo of the character sheet of anyone who counts as a pink mohawk player, then a photo of you kicking them in the balls. We'll give you a snide little mention in an upcoming book!"

What is a good thing for a witch to drink as tea that will be very scary and possibly deadly for guests to drink?

>>51785060
Something they have immunity to.

>>51785060
She calls it nightshade but it's actually one of the less toxic bits, maybe even something as innocuous as sweet pepper.

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>>51773124
Hm? Should be working fine, I can't see any problems with it.
>>51778574
Urghhh. That's going to be a minor nightmare to code out.

What's with all the people making life module characters lately?

>>51783908
My game is set in NYC. From session zero I told my players "Manhattan is the end-game. You are not good enough, both as players and runners, to pull of jobs here."
Right now they are doing runs in Brooklyn and Queens, making friends and building up their skills. There's plenty of work in the shadows of Manhattan's sky-scrappers

Praxis features an Immortal Human, probably one of the Denairastas Clan. But maybe not. We have any more information on him?

>>51785810
Given the context he's likely part of the Black Lodge, which was a connection m they hinted at waaaaay back in 2e.
Beyond that hint that the Black Lodge is probably an extension of the Denairastas Clan at the top of it's organizational structure (with most of it's rank and file members just being vanilla humans), that's all we really know for sure.

It's quite possible that Denairastas himself is long since dead and that the leader of the Lodge calls himself the Penultimate Master out of tradition and respect for his ancestor, nothing more.

>>51785864
Ehh.. I don't think so, given that he was A) With Aina and brought by her, and B) The Lodge has sort of turned into your classic illuminati conspiracy nut paranoid fantasy since the end of 4e. Maybe it underwent a power struggle. I want it to be true, though. A lot more would make more sense.

>>51785864
The Black Lodge connection also fits with some of the Great Wyrms being killed off during the downtime between the Fourth and Sixth Worlds.
Though I wouldn't put it past Aithne Oakforest to do some dragon killing either.

>>51785892
There's a pretty good chance that was mostly Alachia. Especially given her Daddy is Lofwyr rather than Alamais.

>>51785884
It's more that they can't actually make a deliberate connection to The Outsider himself because he's an Earthdawn character, so they had to focus on their conspiracy angle stuff.
It's kinda like how officially we will never hear anything about what went down in the Fourth World, but all of what was hinted at that went down will always coincide with Earthdawn events.

>>51785900
Alachia's crazy enough to do it too.
ALL of the IE's are varying degrees of mentally unstable honestly but she is fucking wacko, which I suppose follows given she's supposedly actually an order of magnitude older then the rest of them.

>>51785912
Yeah, but the Lodge started to change from its previous form. If the other Big D was going to work with any IE, it wouldn't be the one who sided with the Dragons who banished him. It'd probably mean that the entire Lodge had been subject to some sort of coup and the few remaining Iopanites were running scared. But they were dickheads right up until the Sphinx woke up and boomed Thera, so who the fuck knows.

>>51782439
Depends on the rifle and the room, hard to swing about something as big as your picture through a doorway

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Behold! The greatest known threat to the Sixth World! MAGIC MEXICANS.

>>51785938
I think that the actual number of the Denairastas Clan IN the Lodge at this point is minimal at best; it's an organization that is DESCENDED from the old Clan, but the vast majority of it's members and influence base are significantly less old and likely have more modern goals in mind.
Basically, I think that however many of the Outcast's children actually remain they are by far outnumbered by regular human joes with a lot of magical talent and political influence, and no hierarchy is going to convince a small army of personally powerful and influential people to obey the commands of some guys intent on keeping going a feud that happened before modern history even was conceived of.

The GD's and IE's can do it because they're barely organized at all and each is more or less beholden to themselves and themselves alone; look at what happened in Tir Tairngire when they tried to work together for any length of time and turn an entire modern nation into an extension of their old Fourth World crap.

>>51785978
I suppose. Maybe they're more 'associate' members now. People who know all the old bits of information and callsigns, with one or two still in the highest Lodges. There's probably one or two actual immortals, and a few Nethermancers who know the Eternal Youth ritual. Fuck knows, Aina could cast it easily enough if she needed to. She probnably taught it to them in exchange for eternal loyalty - she likes to make the mistakes of the dragons over and over again. She even turned into a weird ersatz Big D. Wouldn't be hard to stack the recasts on teh ritual up over the years, enough to survive the downcycle.

>>51785953
He's dead anyway.
Aztechnology is still pretty bad, but now it's badness is significantly more down to Earth and if even says that much of the Board of Directors is kinda fed up with the weird underground cult shit that used to secretly control everything and is trying to direct them onto more mundane goals like your average "financially take over the world" and "expand my nation-state's power as far as possible" stuff.

>>51786006
Aetherology sort of implies he's back, but keeping quiet. Probably resurrected by his masters. It is their thing, after all.

>>51786001
Think of it like the Illuminati in the original Deus Ex; they basically split apart into two organizations, one of which was older and more traditional and one of which was younger and more radical, comparatively speaking.
Both fundamentally wanted the same thing (secret control over the human race's social and cultural development), but they didn't want to share it with anyone.

>>51786032
Mm. I'd guess with the dragonkin blood being diluted, you could probably point at changelings as descendents of Dragonkin from all the experiments in Iopos before they scattered. Huge surges of mana creating temporary re-activations of the genes without an infusion of draconic blood. Probably a few quasi-dragon king being abducted by the Really Dark Black Lodge, as compared to the normal Black Lodge which is embedded in the UCAS government.

>>51786021
It was mentioned somewhere the Senior Oscuro was considered "a bit hasty" by Motecuhzoma, so even if he is back I'm guessing he's not going anywhere or doing anything for now.

>>51786051
Might just be working on his own. Doing by the numbers psychological fuckery instead of world ending fuckery.

>>51786050
Maybe. Changelings are also just plain random enough to be their own thing caused by the Comet spike, so it's not too difficult to imagine they have nothing to do with it at all.
Not everything is a secret conspiracy by someone; actually a lot of the stuff is mostly highlighted by what all the immortal folks DON'T know because it's not like they are gonna sharing info with each other right?
I bet you Loffy and the GD's never even put it together who the Lodge might be connected to and the whole thing seems completely out of nowhere to them.

>"Who the fuck are these human randos who suddenly have a vendetta against us because reasons? Seriously, when did humans get organized and shit?"

Also, I'm guessing the Lodge has members in other governments and not just the UCAS one, especially since by Sixth World standards that's not really a very impressive or even influential government to infiltrate.

>>51786091
Sure, but I like to link them. There's not many things that can't be, even indirectly. Changelings were pretty much unknown outside of the really weird dragonkin and Theran experiments - not blood charms, but the really weird shit that reduced lifespan and intelligence.

They've got a few about in other governments. They're mentioned as feuding with the Ordos somewhere, so Europe, and they've at least got people in the JiS with their "White Crane Masters". Who knows, maybe the Brotherhood of Darkness are affiliated. Their 5e treatment is certainly a bit different to their 4e one.

>>51786109
Speaking of the Ordo Maximus, I always wondered what THEIR whole deal was considering VITAS is kinda new to the Sixth World.
I mean, I suppose the obvious explanation could be the answer; really is just a secret vampire conspiracy at the top of the club and though they aren't as old as the other conspiracies they still predate the Awakening.
The Dark Brotherhood seems unaffiliated to all of it despite it's ominous name; they seem more like overly melodramatic monster killers honestly, running around whacking dangerous magical threats here and there.

>>51786137
>VITAS
I meant HMHVV.
Stupid acronyms.

>>51786109
>Changelings were pretty much unknown outside of the really weird dragonkin and Theran experiments - not blood charms, but the really weird shit that reduced lifespan and intelligence.

Some of the stuff looks like what happened with the Blood Wood though, the Thorns mutation, you know?

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>>51786137
Well, horror constructs and the undead are a thing. Or were. I figure strain-I was an attempt to recreate the good parts of the Immortality bit, but combined with that. And then it all got a little out of hand, with strains 2 and 3 as degenerate forms. One of the more cringy fiction books has a pre-awakening Nosferatu, so it might be something that happened right at the end of the Fourth.

In 4e, yeah, I'd agree with you on the Brotherhood. But in 5e they're going all cold and passionate, hellbent on recovering the bits and pieces from the fourth world. Rather than melodramatic monster killers alone, which they definitely still are.

>>51786158
Okay, yeah, that's true. That was the merging of low-level plant spirits with elven patterns, but same rough concept. My bad.

>>51786172
>One of the more cringy fiction books has a pre-awakening Nosferatu, so it might be something that happened right at the end of the Fourth.

The Serrin Shamander stuff, yeah.

It's also possible that vampires and more potent forms Infected existed DURING the downtime but were exceptionally rare, giving rise to the vampire myths various cultures have. Like maybe instead of transforming you when you got HMHVV you outright died close to 99% of the time, so their numbers were always REALLY low until ambient mana levels got high enough that people began to survive the transformation instead of dying in most cases.

>>51786206
I forget which IE it is - Ambrose, whichever that is - but it's definitely possible for those sorts of things to happen in the downcycle during a manaspike. He was born and manifested during one and was set up by a semi-wakened Rhonabwy to be Merlin. Sean Laverty was it, I think, with his Xavier Foundation. Lots of legends about orcs and trolls and elves probably came from temporary spikes during the downtimes, so why not the Infected being able to sire others of their kind during those periods?

>>51786172
>Okay, yeah, that's true. That was the merging of low-level plant spirits with elven patterns, but same rough concept. My bad.

My theory is that when the Comet passed overhead it tried to activate latent metagenes in humans and other races, but due to the suddenness of it and the manafield-altering nature of the Comet's passing (rather like a celestial body drifting too close to Earth and warping the tides just slightly) it got different patterns all mixed together into totally random things.
Like, you develop fur and animal parts?
You were going to Goblinize or something but the warped manafield was all like
>"What's your pattern again? You were an animal that was going to turn into a shifter, right? Whatever, it's too late now, fur and tails for you."

>>51786224
>Ambrose, whichever that is
At least the goddamn GD's basically kept the same names as they used to have, they just switched up what language they preferred to be addressed in, the IE's kept changing theirs.
Except the Goddamn Clown of course, but he's the odd man out amongst them in a number of other ways as well.

>>51786258
I like Aina. Maybe it's just because Worlds Without End and Scars were alright books, but she just comes across as a really old woman who is really goddamned tired. She's seen too much and she's sick of people prying her out of her chair to save the world, so Dunkelzahn's bequest was a huge middle finger from beyond the grave.

Also, she only ever used the one name.

>>51786276
Albeit not as much of a middle finger as the Everliving Flower being given to Alachia.

>>51786276
It's probably why Harlequin loved Aina; both were fairly stable amongst their peers, relatively speaking.
The clown's primary form of mania largely seems to be a severe case of manic-depressive disorder, probably stemming from the fact that he's basically been a shadowrunner for thousands of years in one sense, only one given a lot more personal power and effectively unlimited resources to make contacts with.
That's probably why he likes runners so much; he kinda feels kinship in the whole anarchic "fuck this noise, I'm out" mentality it takes to just stop playing the rat race everyone else engages in and just do things by yourself for yourself.
Runners of course do not seem to like him back, but I'm guessing most runners that meet while working and not on the same team hired for the same job tend to not get along very well.

>>51786319
That, and he keeps getting them killed. Another thread between them might be tragedy - Aina's entire life up until she unmade herself to banish Ysgraithe, Thais, etc and the Caimbuel's status as the last knight of Sereatha.

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Does a SIN scanner's rating act as a limit for the number of hits it can get?

I heard it before and if it's true, I want to know where that rule comes from.

>>51786284
Never underestimate a dragon's willingness to flip the bird at someone. That said, the Big D was rather restrained about it and mostly kept his species tendencies to it literally at his deathbed, and even then he was relatively generous. I mean, he could've given the lorestone to ANY GD (Lung is actually older) but he gave it Loffy despite not getting along with him particularly well because Loffy was the best qualified to guard it and use it.
That said, Lofwyr's personal ambitions are pretty mundane comparatively speaking; he really just wants to own everything worth owning so he can say he owns it I think.
>>51786334
>That, and he keeps getting them killed.
Like I said; I imagine most runners who meet on the job who weren't hired as part of the same team tend to not get along.
And with him, you are NEVER hired as part of the same team because he's basically self-funded and never needs to go hiring himself out for petty cash.

I know magic requires line of sight but would it be too much to use Magic Fingers to grab something from my backpack without taking it off?

>>51786402
Depends? As fluff? No. As a get-out-of-jail-free card when you're cuffed, on the ground and use it to get out a grenade? Nice try Chumm.

>>51786375
It'd be funny if he did hire himself out for petty cash, which means he probably does do it under a mask spell. "Certainly! I'd love to extract that researcher for you!"

An hour later the researcher is in their hands and there's a huge hole in the side of the Aztech Seattle Pyramid.

I get that they're dicks, but it probably had a charitable element. He knew she'd hate it, and that she'd view it as penance for letting a group of minor horrors through, but do it anyway. And it helped get her out into the world. Whatever happened in Praxis was probably her doing a death-empowerment on some sort of true pattern to all involved to stop them from either destroying the world to get at each other, or to stop the usual doom and gloom. And she wouldn't be able to do that if she was sitting at home in Scotland or ravaging New Orleans restaurants.
>>51786402
Technically, no, according to the spell description. Talk to your GM, he might let you make a memory test. There's also the reactive myomer pack, which might be for you. Or buy an armoured one and wear it on the front.

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Stat me, /srg/.

>>51786430
>Whatever happened in Praxis was probably her doing a death-empowerment on some sort of true pattern to all involved to stop them from either destroying the world to get at each other, or to stop the usual doom and gloom.
Ghostwalker's comment suggested that Aina did indeed die of her own voalition for some reason, but also didn't bother explaining it to Ciambuel because he knew since his spirit girlfriend came back alive and Aina didn't the clown would be too pissed off to care about anything he said to explain it.
Hell, his inner narration seemed to even imply that he GETS it and that if it were Zebulon who'd bit it instead of Aina he'd probably be just as irrational as Harlequin is about it.

>>51786492
Probably should have stressed I was talking about the Dying Legacy thing from Earthdawn - an adept dies to Name a true pattern into being of their choice, with the more powerful they are creating a more complete bond.

And that's what Aina's done, binding everyone at the Rift together. Frosty hears the voices of random men in the bond when she's alone and apparently has prophetic dreams, so the others would too.

>>51774226
Give them a mission that ends in a stalemate between the runners and a corp. the runners don't have the resources to fight/escape the full on wrath of said corp. but give the runners a single out, something that the know or can do that protects them from getting outright offed (like some thing being released to the public automatically if they die). The corp thinks that it's better to take them in and keep them under heavy survalence for the rest of their forseeable lives and maybee even put their skills to use as a corp owned HTR team or something. Either way it's clear that their days of running are over, but at least they won just enough to live out their lives.

>>51786530
That would make some kind of sense, though the why of why she did it is kind of up for grabs since chances are the storyline has been dropped.

>>51786575
They just keep dropping fucking storylines at random. I get that half your freelancers quitting is a good excuse, but "oh, we swapped writers for this book, so let's go talk about shitty CFD again" isn't that good of one.

>>51786608
Especially since I have never met even a single person who has spoken well of the CFD plotline. You never even hear anything good about it online. At best it's one of those "this is a thing that is currently happening" opinions.
Doesn't help that every time they bring it up it's only to repeat the same information over and over again.

>>51786658
I saw one person who liked it because it explained "what happened" to Deus, which can mostly be translated as "I never read the original cyberpunk Sprawl Trilogy and thus didn't understand the references they made about it in relation to that in 4e".

>>51786658
"Look at us creating something new nad original! Aren't we great?"

It's worse than the IE shit when people complain about railroading, because it's literally supposed to be uncurable without extreme measures like being locked in a room with a quickened nutrition spell for a few months. Once you get it, you're fucked. It makes no sense even in a setting context - magic and tech have never been able to integrate in that way, especially not resonance.

>>51786695
As someone who never read th Sprawl Trilogy, what reference were they making?
I'm getting around to it, I swear?

>>51785618
I was looking into life modules because it provides an easy structure for players new to the setting to build their background on.

Another heads up for Life Module chargen: Skills don't cap out at 6 rating as they should. You can easily get 11 computer, but Life Module rules state that any augementations beyond 6 is lost. Except knowledge skills that cap out at 9.

>>51786734
Basically, Deus became the matrix. He and Jormungand and all the others are the whole shebang now, and everything plugged in runs on it (and dissonant code, but that's another kettle of fish). He's ascended to a higher state of existence. Then they shattered.

In the trilogy, Wintermute/Neuromancer took on this state. Starts talking to something like him over at Alpha Centauri. Then shattered into ghosts, unable to sustain the transcendent state, swimming about in his ruined mindstate that was the matrix. These ghosts were able to afflict the physical world to a limited degree, but mostly needed others to help them. I forget what happened in book 3 beyond the 'happy endings' for the humans.

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>>51786695
>never read the original cyberpunk Sprawl Trilogy

>>51785618
When will Chummer reach the point where it would be better to create a new program instead of juryrigging the old software?

>>51786734
Okay, abbreviated version; in Neuromancer when the two AI's Wintermute and Neuromancer fuse into a Super AI (much like Deus and Friends in SR are Super AI) it/they come into contact with another Super AI somewhere out in Alpha Centauri, implied to be of alien origin.
This contact "shatters" the Super AI (though if deliberately or not is unexplained) effectively killing it but scattering pieces of it's code, it's sentience, all over the Matrix, much like Deus and Megara and Mirage were described as "shattered" after their battle. Afterwords in the later Sprawl books weaker AI based off the Loa deities begin to spontainously manifest across the net because of the scattered "sentience" code all over the place.

This is why suddenly AI are everywhere and are spontainously arising in SR4 whereas previously it was extraordinarily difficult to make even ONE which is why there were only ever three; when the Super AI's were destroyed, elements of their code were randomly built into the structure of the new Matrix, allowing sentience to spontaneously be created in it whereas previously this was impossible.
That's the answer to why these AI are so different and so much less powerful then the originals, and the answer to what is different about the modern Matrix that it allows AI to show up more often.

>>51786770
>>51786844
So what, every AI has the potential to be Deus because they are all MADE of Deus?

>>51786844
>>51786770
Wait a minute, does this somehow make CFD DEUS's fault?

>>51786889
No. The matrix is basically one giant blank mindspace, with the resonance realms and the foundation being the weird deep subconscious. AI is code complex enough to run across a fragment of personality from Deus, Echo Mirage or Megaera and manifest as a real human bean. Sort of.
>>51786897
Yeah. Pax tried to cram Deus into a dragon body.

>>51786889
No more then you have the potential to be exactly your parents because you are made of your parents component DNA, no. It's more that the shattering of Deus and the other original AI's made "life" possible in a sense in the Matrix, allowing for intelligences to organically arise whereas previously deliberate design was required.

This is also kinda hinted at by the last we heard of what Dodger was doing in Tir Tairngire; he's futilely looking for Megara in the Matrix without realizing that she has in a sense BECOME the Matrix, and she's his Paragon now watching him from "above" as he uses his new technomancer powers.

>>51786897
Yes, as if to reinforce that the people writing SF5 were unimaginative hacks they literally reused the Brainscan storyline from 3e and replaced the words "modified human brains" and "ultraviolet node" with "nanotechnology" and "dragon body".

>>51786006
Where did the Aztechnology politics get talked about?

>>51786919
>Yeah. Pax tried to cram Deus into a dragon body.
That absolute fucking madman. Which dragon?

>>51786968
Corporate Guide, 4e.

>>51786977
Eilohann.
The one who's brain is running around the Matrix separate from his body as Cerberus.

>>51786977
Eliohann. The original ritual was a huge thing by Celedyr to suppress the body's natural draconic rsistance to everything, then load the personality into nanites somehow and pump it in. Pax got in on the action.

>>51787005

Was Celedyr trying to load Elio's original disembodied matrix ghost back in?

Or was he actually onboard with the DEUS thing?

>>51787023
No, trying to get the original Eliohann back in. PAX just happened to be there.

>>51787023
No, much like in the Brainscan storyline which they completely copied, Celedyr was basically just doing his own project stuff and it happened to create perfect conditions to allow Deus to become all-powerful/a dragon.

>>51787042
>>51787047

Thats what I figured. Dragons usually don't cross lines like using another dragons body as a host for a terrorist AI

>>51787059
The dumb shit is how it's basically like
>DEUS OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE
And then after raining nanites down on Boston it flies away and hasn't been herd from since.

Wow.
Way to write a big climax there CGL.

>>51787102
>Way to write a big climax there CGL

I guess the rest of the budget got embezzled

>>51787102
The sad part is that it's still a better story than my initial impression of
>nanbots are uploading personalities into peoples' brains
>what the fuck
>why are nanbots are uploading personalities into peoples' brains
>why the fuck is this happening

>>51787138
What do you mean "guess"?

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>>51787102
And somehow they keep trying to link everything back to it. Splintered State? Okay, that was a cool adventure. And it would have worked even if memories were altered in another way. Shit, Shalbermat/Halberstam is still out there. He and Pax together could create some insidious brain poison for deckers and other hot-sim users, no problems. Instead, they went with magic nanites.

If technological base is a problem, then why not step up the apocalypse? Have the remnants of Winternight start chucking thor shots at earth and wreck the oribtal infrastructure. Return the world to isolated corporate and nation-states and an age of heroes. Turn the balkanisation up to 11, so people are now travelling being enclaves of different tech levels, functioning manufacturing is precious and scientists moreso. Resource wars, etc. Erase the old borders. Make the wilds far more dangerous. But no. MAGIC. NANITES.

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>>51787193
I love how I've never read any Shadowrun story ever, my adventure with the game started with the 5th edition and I worked backwards, and this whole thing sounds like complete gibberish to me.

And yet all of this STILL makes more sense than GOD alone.

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>>51783894
Well, one of the german writers (the guy who does the novapuls PDF newspaper) is an avid lover of explosions, explosions and bigger explosions, so we'll probably be safe from to much Trenchcoat faggotry

>>51787409
What's his opinion on suppressive fire with APDS rounds?

>>51787434
Idk, but judging by his love for *boooom*, I'd suspect not much love towards it from him. He'd probably be sad you didn't use the much more FUN Ex-Ex ammo for suppressive Fire.

>>51787490
Eh, but inferior AP.

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>>51787490
>much more FUN Ex-Ex ammo

Much more highly illegal get arrested by K-E for having it ammo

I'm not even super black trenchcoat but realistically, carrying around certain ammo doesn't get you arrested - it gets you cuffed, driven to an alley where the patrolmen radio in a resisting arrest-shots fired, and then they kill you and stage the murder

>>51787637
3 AP is about equal to 1 DV

>>51787642
APDS is already illegal though, so what do you have to lose?

>>51787656
I suppose, but with EX-EX you don't have the option of silently gunning down the enemy with your Yahama Raiden.

>>51787658

APDS I would think is more punitive provoking then EX-Ex when it comes to cops. You might get hauled into the cage and sweated to give up your supplier if you get caught with shit like Ex-Ex - but APDS might get you flat murdered by cops.

>>51787700
What about Uranium?

>>51787716
Sweated to give up your supplier, and then shot.

>>51787716

Arrested, sweated, if you hold out, black suits from the ATF or the feds come in, boot out the detectives, and then tell your lawyer to get fucking lost - and then told if you dont cooperate, your going to be charged with terrorism and fucking executed

>>51787726
>>51787734
>>51787700

Ah, see, but that's all assuming I'll be carrying those on me outside of the run and then that I'll get caught.

Which realistically is as likely as getting caught on the run and that's already illegal and will get you shot, so you might as well make the run easier by getting those APDS or Ex-Exs. You're already committing a crime and half-measures are for pussies.

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>>51787700
If law enforcement has you in a position to scrutinize your gear and punish you over availability ratings, then you already lost.

It's like saying you shouldn't get ear piercings because someone could yank them when you're captured and restrained. At that point they have you at your mercy anyway so it's not going to make a real difference.

>>51787832
I'm with you 100%, except I live in a shitty part of town so for me it's less "don't carry shit when I'm not on a run" and more "cops? What cops?"

>>51787855
>shitty part of town

>"cops? What cops?"
>not getting abused and extorted by cops on a regular basis

For a "shitty part of town" your character is pretty lucky

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>>51787832
>>51787845

Yeah well, you still have to get to the location, and if its in city, that means you'll likely drive by a police vehicle at some point. If your dumb enough to give police a reason to assume smoke=fire, they'll flash lights and pull you over - at which point, you either do it, get scrutinized and we start the whole shit show - or you run, which means the police record all relevant information on your vehicle, and it becomes a target for BOLO's - eventually your better off using public transpo, or buying another vehicle - and the SIN your vehicle is registered under gets flagged as well.

Shadowrun isn't GTA, and cops don't magically forget you exist the moment you break a wanted level

>>51787886
My mistake, I meant to say "the Barrens".

>>51787893
>If your dumb enough to give police a reason to assume smoke=fire, they'll flash lights and pull you over
See, that assumes I'm even letting them see the smoke in the first place.

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>>51787914

What kinda vehicle you drive? Or, what kinda vehicle does your team drive?

>>51787893
"If your dumb enough to give police a reason to assume smoke=fire"

Well there's your problem right there. If you ARE that dumb carrying EXexs is the least of your concerns. Why are you even shadowrunning if you're this dumb?

>Shadowrun isn't GTA, and cops don't magically forget you exist the moment you break a wanted level

Which is why you don't break it. And you keep contingencies on the unfortunate event that you do. Contingencies like "move to another city, get a new SIN and get a cosmetic surgery".

Seriously Chumm, you new to this?