Edh/commander general

>>51790316
Let play a game /edh/, Post your favorite commander and other anons try to guess your personality off it.

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>>51790364

>>51790316
Nobody thinks much of Phyrexian Reclamation utill I play Sidisi or Gray Merchant 5 times the same turn.

>>51790316
OP I just bought Mind's Dilation for Jori-en, how well has it been working for you/other anons?

>>51790364
Gisa and Geralf

>>51790631
Mind's Dilation is incredible value. Your opponent casts their first spell on their turn? You might get one of their cards. Someone else wants to counter their spell? You also might get one of their cards. It goes off all the time and has great interactions with other cards that do things when you cast, like Rashmi, because you're casting what you steal.

Honestly, if Mind's Dilation isn't countered or otherwise dealt with immediately, it can become a huge problem.

>>51790863
Great to know, cheers!

My Jori deck specialises in ramping out very very fast, so finding big mana cards like this that can return a huge amount of value over time is always a welcome sight

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>>51790316
So I'm assuming the nonsense in the attached pic never came to pass.

Also, my favorite set would probably be the entirety of Shards of Alara.

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Reminder

>>51791165
TFW gimmick aggro

>>51790316
>Thread Question
Probably Time Spiral. Even though I started playing during Innistrad, the concept of a set that revisits old cards and characters and changes them up is pretty cool. If I could, I would make Time Spiral a standalone set a la Conspiracy, where it revisits old sets/planes and does a "what if..." version, with colorshifted, timeshifted, and futureshifted version of cards.

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>>51791165
So am I an idiot for playing Jenara (Voltron) and Zedruu (Group Hug) or an enlightened genius?

>>51791285
It depends entirely on (you)

So, Enchanted Evening and Ajani's Chosen normally result in a draw, but if you can capitalize either on etb triggers or a way to Sac for death triggers, you could win.

How would you go about doing this? Impact Tremors and going to Jeskai? Or Esper for Sac outlets and Blood Artist/cutthroat? Or some other third thing?

It's a cute combo, I want to see how it could work out

>>51791285
enlightment comes when you realize edh is a casual format and stop playing tryhard decks and go back to playing dumb shit and have fun with your friends instead of measuring dicks

>>51791285
You're an enlightened idiot

>>51791343
I've been at the casual, lets just have fun with this stage for years (my tryhard only comes out in draft, sealed, or cube), unfortunately I can't say the same for everyone in our play group.

>let's spend hundreds of dollars on Modern Summer Bloom for kitchen table magic
>it's banned in modern a week and a half later

My smug satisfaction of telling him that it was banned was almost as satisfying as locking down his legacy elf deck with the single copy of Gideon Jura in my garbage tier white weenie deck (he'd been losing all night and busted out elves just to show us).

>>51790316
>What is your favorite set?
Time Spiral and the rest of its block. Any other answer is objectively retarded.

>>51791079
You have weird japanese-style fetishes. You've always been sexually frustrated, something that shows through your pasty white skin and your skinny toothpick arms.

>>51791445
>legacy elves losing to gideon
Elves wins before you can even cast jura, is your friend retarded?

>>51790392
Does nothing all game but board wipe and counter other people, tries to win with Mind Grind or some other X spell, gets super salty when he can't control something or his do nothing win condition doesn't work.
>>51790562
Cool guy would play with.
>>51791076
Hulk Smash, another cool guy.
>>51791079
I can't tell if this is degenerate or just goofy, voltron player's auras become removal spells, would have to see the build. Interesting either way.

>>51790316
Torment is my favourite, although future sight comes close.

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>>51791514
I went first and my weenie deck is packed full of first strikers (and vigilance) so he wasn't going to attack me (this is FFA multiplayer mind you) until his stuff was too big for that to matter. Gideon came out before that could happen and made it so everything he had must attack Gideon, he kept tapping his creatures for mana so that he wouldn't lose them to combat, also pic related is quite effective.

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How do I make this card good?

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>>51791690
Every fog ever

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>>51790364

I know he's new but he's fun as fuck

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>>51791690
Play it in pic related, Doubling Season, and all the proliferate you can. You'll be playing maximum degeneracy superfriends, but Gideon (and every other non-Red walker) will be amazing.

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>>51790364

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/t-h-e-b-o-y-s-a-r-e-b-a-c-k-i-n-t-o-w-n/

Help I can't stop making gimmick decks

>>51792036
why should you?

>>51791857
Hellbent maddness Malfegor?

>>51792036
Could this be
a
jojo
refereNCE?!

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>>51792036
>ork boyz
>vehicles to go fast
>steal yo shit tech
>based xenagod

This shit is wild and I love it. Keep making crazy theme decks, you unhinged sumbitch.

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>>51790364

>>51792221
The "is this a jojo reference" meme is far more obnoxious than jojo memes themselves. I don't even like jojo

What do you think Commander 2017 will be like?
Bi colour or penta colour?

>>51792036

>Cool theme
>Actually playable
>Not the expensive: especially if you cut the dual lands

I approve. Keep building.

>>51792361
I think Wizards would rather go with the relatively riskless allied-color decks then shoot for the starts with five-color insanity.

>>51792036
>4 black mana symbols, 14 black sources
>12 green mana symbols, 14 green sources (this is fine)
>48 red mana symbols, 14 red sources

Fix your mana base.

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why does Wizards insist in making Boros commanders about huge creatures when that color combination is the best for small, cheap creatures and sucks at ramping? do they even play their own game?

>>51792421
Oh, for sure- the mana base was literally just "Command Tower, all relevant shocks/duals/fetches, and then 9 of each basic" so I had 37 lands while I brewed the rest of the deck. I just hadn't gone through and tweaked the color balance yet.

>>51792361
4 colour commander
but each general also have the colorless mana symbol in the cost

>>51792441
I guess if you have the duals I can just shut up.

>>51792505
No no, it's a good suggestion!

>>51792070
assuming your Medomai clone is hitting a player every turn to trigger his ability why even bother with Azorious Elocutors?

>>51792394
But what would the themes of five five color decks be? Tribal?

is there anything noteworthy about the commander anthology if you don't care about kaalia?

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>>51790364

>>51792539
DESU, not really. Heavenly Inferno is expensive because of scarcity rather than being that interesting, and you can probably find a Plunder the Graves on the shelf at a lot of stores still (and maybe a Guided by Nature, too). Really the price is dragged up by the Kaalia deck, the four life counters, and having the tokens for all the decks.

>>51792529
Probably. Though I always thought it'd be interesting if they were built to be like mono-colored decks that are splashing in the other four colors.

>>51791510
The only part thing that's correct is that I'm really pale

>>51791557
Here's the deck if you're interested
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/murderdec/

>>51792539
Fuck no, don't buy that shit. It really should have just been the original 5 commander decks, not just four decks, some of which you can still get at MSRP.

For $165? Are you kidding?

>>51792612
Fairly degenerate, but there's not much else that makes monoblack viable (I play Nekusar so I'm also quite guilty).

Retribution of the Ancients is some bullshit; but you found a way to make Unspeakable Symbol playable so there's that.

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>>51790364
I didn't know how much I loved mono R artifacts until I built it. There is so many silly things to do. Tower of fortunes is a lot better as R8,T: draw 8 cards, liquidmetal coating and voltaic key are MVPs.

>>51792759
Literally the only thing I can think that's "neat" is that it'll have the tokens for all those decks, and the 'special life counters'. I'm hoping that's 4 of the kind they had in the Commander Anthology, rather than four spindowns.

>>51791557
Actually the deck only has like three boardwipes and two counters in it, I generally try to win by hitting people with their own creatures, min grind is there to give me more Lazav fuel/reanimate targets and only occasionally as a win con

>>51792834
Anyone else remember the plastic life counters with the wheels that used to come in fat packs?

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>>51790364

>>51792840
You sound like a lot more fun than the guy in my play group.

>WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO PLAYS (lots of) COUNTERS IN EDH!?!

Tell him that not letting people do things is contrary to the point of the format and he gets all pissy.

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>>51792884
We are a particularly Timmy group, we tend to favour boardwipes over counters since it's fun to have etb triggers and stuff happen.

I really don't see the point of playing Lazav as a pure control list either when his ability is just too fun to build around

>tfw turn 4 Lazav into turn 5 traumatise, turning him into original Avacyn

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I love playing him while eating tendies and listening to my favorite band, avenged sevenfold. :^)

>>51792979
Meant to reply to >>51790364

>>51792979
Him + Hall of the Bandit Lord + Basilisk Collar + Gratuitous Violence is probably my favorite combo of all-time. Splatting everybody all at once is poetry in motion.

>>51792944
>>51792979
>>51793008
Jesus Christ anon, sort your shit out

Either way you seem like the sort of guy that doesn't play this deck that often since people soon grow wise to how quickly he can end the game

>>51793060
Well, it only splats everyone that's at an even life total. Odds live at 1 life.

>>51792070
This doesn't work, legend rule kicks in at the beginning of your end step when the Sphinx comes back.

>>51793091
So just add a Mirror Gallery, no sweat.

>>51793081
I actually have never considered that, but you're playing Red. You can easily find a way to ping them.

>>51792394
>Red-Green
>Xenagod as commander
Do it.
Just do it.

>>51793159
I have a RG deck with 6 legends in it, I randomise the commander each time

Currently considering replacing Ulric with one of the Borborygmoses because fuck Ulric

>>51793159
Considering that's my flagship Commander, I'm all for them crafting new beaters for my baby.

>>51793177
OG Borborygmos isn't all that great, but Enraged can be barrels of fun.

>>51793191
I have Angryborbo in my Ruric Thar deck and he's great at turning excess lands into removal

>>51793191
I might get them both to replace Ulric and Mena & Den, looking at gatherer now there aren't many good Gruul commanders that I don't already have

>>51790364
Selvala, explorer returned
Child of Alara
One of the invasion/planar dragons (changes about once a month)

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>>51790364

>>51793227
total asshole

but in a good way

>>51791079
Someone who thinks he's a complete bastard to play against but really just had a shit play group

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>>51791690
Take 5 extra turns by casting expropriate and howl of the horde

>>51792443
Since I'm new to the format, how does the colorless mana symbol change the rules of deck building?
Do i need to have it on my commander?
Is it even possible to build a deck that way?

>>51792070
You need medomi darksteel mutation and capsize

>>51793317
Colorless is not a color.

>>51793331
Except for when it is :^)

>>51793246
here is my list, although now its a bit out of date since I switched a few cards. Still representative of the deck though.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/orzhovian-lifegain-cancer/

>>51793354
Which is... never?

>>51793246
>>51793371
forgot to say> Am I still an asshole? I managed to cram demonic tutor in for something else.

>>51793400
Having Demonic Tutor isn't a problem unless you use it to tutor for the same few cards every game.

>>51793317
>>51793331
This, it's not a color so nothing changes, the only thing that it does is let you determine generic mana from colorless, which mana rocks and lands that produce colorless mana already did, just now symbolized with <>, so <><><> equals old (3) that thran dynamo would produce. Obviously this only really means anything when it comes to creatures or abilities that demand colorless mana, like thought knot seer that has (3)<>, so 3 can be paid with anything from wubrg or <> but the <> can only be paid with <> that you see on things like lanowar wastes.

>>51793462
Ok, thanks for the explanation.

>>51791642
Well there's his problem, a tuned legacy deck only gives the fast wins in 1v1. They don't have the resiliency or power to control or combo out three other players.

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>>51790364

>>51791690
Forbidden Orchard and other group hug effects could synergize well.

Looking for suggestions/spicy cards for marchesa
pls respond
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-02-17-killer-queen/

>>51791165
currently a brainlet

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>>51790364

>>51793619
I like your style. Most fun Temur commander there is

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>>51790364

>>51794821
Your the Baddest motherfucker in ever lgs you go to.

>>51794821
You're into scat because how else would you deal with the smell of everyone shitting their pants when they see those skeletons riding on sea turtles.

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>>51790316
I'm building this for my rather cutthroat league. How would you make this deck better, no budget limit?
The deck wins with Splinter Twin or infinite turns, I think that should be obvious. Perhaps Staff + Rings + Monolith would be a better wincon?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/i-only-built-this-because-of-the-foil/

Some cards I've been considering to add: Snap, Overwhelming Denial, Deprive, Insubstantiate, Twincast,Gush and Winds of Change.

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>>51790595
I know that feel bro

>>51795780
>Rings+Monolith+Outlet
Pretty bad wincon. Easier to tutor in your colors but much easier to disrupt and much slower. Twin is good because you can constantly threaten the combo and force people to retain answers.

>>51795988
But I have to draw both of them, and it's pretty hard to tutor for an enchantment and a creature in these colors. I'm not saying it's bad, but it can be inconsistent.

>>51796028
Polish your bluffing game man.

Honestly you should be paying High Tide or Storm if you're trying to be whatever cutthroat is to you

>>51796063
You try running those decks when the tables are full of stax and interactive decks. Don't you think I'd be running that if I could?

>>51796090
Storm is T1, stax and whatever an interactive deck is supposed to be are not.

>>51796150
So? You think you can combo off against Teferi? Azami? Or do you think they're going to counter all your crap?
I disagree with the competitive tiers, these decks only work if the table can't stop them at all, which is never going to happen at my LGS.

>>51796183
I think it's pointless talking to you because you've already decided that whatever you're playing against has 7 counterspells in hand and infinite mana.

>>51796201
I think it's very reasonable for two players on the table to have 2 counters in their hands if they're playing blue and you show up with Zur, Yidris, or whatever storm flavor you prefer.

What deck box would you suggest for a commander deck? I would be double sleeving.

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>>51790364

Judge me /edh/! I lay my soul bare to you!

/R/equesting the most mid-tier of mid-tier commanders. Yasova is something I'm looking at.

>>51796241
>Zur
>Storm

>>51796264
For just one?

Ultra Pro Satin Towers. They'll hold 100 double-sleeved cards with a little room to spare, they're pretty sturdy, easy to find, not too expensive, and they have a little compartment in the bottom for dice.

>>51796378
My bad, Zur is DD. I was thinking of Jeleva.

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>>51790364

>>51796241
I'm not sure you understand what the T0-1 decks are but anything below almost maximum perfection could only hope to stop those interactions by sheer luck.

plz rate /tg/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gahiji-humans/

>>51796468
How? Are you assuming you always have a counter for everything they throw at you? Can these decks play perfectly in the middle of stax and control decks?

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After playing mazirek for the longest time its becoming nearly impossible to play him anymore since he dies to shock immediately on entering or gets wiped and the tax makes him ridiculous and not worth playing so I decided to build Meren, so how the fuck does meren win besides using grave pact/dick of erebos to constantly wipe the board?

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>>51790364
OK
>>51792813
Fun to hang out with but I'm biased

I'm trying to make a decklist for pure Chaos deck with Jhoira with a budget build.

Will I be always target #1 once my meta knows how my deck plays? Is there a way to avoid this?

Any other hilarious budget chaos cards?

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>group has gotten so sick of my combo bullshit that they've started using a timer on my turns

I need a straightforward, "turn creatures sideways," HULK SMASH type of deck. Just drop fatties and wreck their shit. Who would be the best commander for this?

>>51796648
Xenagos is good for big fat fatties

Ruric Thar if you just want an auto pilot "Play a creature turn it sideways".

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>tfw got both the Hellkite Tyrant AND the Hoof Daddy wins tonight

>>51796648
Skithirix

>>51792036
Damn that is tasty

>>51796535
They go off well before a stax deck can interact. Are you familiar with some of the combos in competitive commander?

>>51796648
Thromok is great if you still want to maintain a combo feel. Otherwise, Xenagod and Ruric Thar are the best for just busting up boardstates through combat damage.

Atarka, World Render is also fun if you want to do it with a tribal feel. Also Dragons.

>>51796763
I feel like it could still use a little work.

Has anybody ever gotten a Hydra Omnivore with Blade of Selves into your play group? How good did it feel?

>>51796796
Don't even try. He doesn't understand hermit druid or why tazri foodchain is so strong.

>>51796841
Obviously yeah, there's a lot of synergy you could get with Jund Artifacts but the theme and first draft are pretty beautiful.

>3 player game
>Ezuri player ramps into a turn 4 Wild Pair, proceeds to shit out elves
>other guy is doing nothing
>I Overwhelming Forces the Ezuri player, draw 11 cards
>"that's fine Anon, I can handle it."
>shits out more elves
>other guy still doing nothing
>Massacre Wurm
>Ezuri player gets mad at me

wut I do, /edhg/?

LADS

What are the best piles for Grenzo Doomsday?

>>51796899
You did the right thing, anon

>>51796855
>tazri food chain is strong
>tazri player mulligans until they get sol ring and food chain, otherwise they concede
>casts food chain, krosan grip/counterspell in response

"Tier 1" commanders are literally don't respond to me and I win decks, stop trying to glorify christmasland situations

>>51796974
>casts food chain, krosan grip ... in response
What are you targeting anon?

>>51796899
It's like when people I play against get upset when I alpha strike them after they tutor the Mean Green Hoof Machine, like, do you expect me to voluntarily lose?

>>51796267
As long as it's not dragon tribal and Intet isn't your "waifu" then you're ok by me.

>>51797048
ignore him, shitposting has destroyed his mental faculties

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>>51790364

>>51797169
You like to hit people with big black creatures and/or big black spells

>>51796855
I really don't get why it's strong, what exactly is the point of using tazri for a food chain deck? To my understanding you need eternal scourge, or some other cast from exile card am I not aware of currently, for the infinite combo to work. and it's not like she can tutor for them. Is it because she is five color?

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>>51797207
Nailed it.

>>51797211
She tutors for one of the several Allies that turn that infinite loop which leads to infinite casts of Tazri into lethal for the entire table.

She's noticeably better than Prossh because she wins that turn from the command zone outside of combat, gains white tutors and Force/Pact.

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>>51797048
>>51797061
>Food chain is a mana ability

Well disregard what I said about krosan grip but you're still faggot for relying on stacking/christmasland faggotry to win. Tiers are a joke

>>51797306
Why are you still posting?

>>51797325
Because I haven't picked up your mom yet.

>>51797306
>Christmasland faggotry
You do realize that Tier 1 decks are Tier 1 because they CONSISTENTLY win quickly, through disruption? It's not "I can win on turn 3 if nobody stops me and I get the god hand", it's "I can win on turn 3 unless you have like 3 pieces of disruption, about 8 games out of 10".

>>51797211
You use Tazri because she's 5 colors (so you have access to every 1-drop mana dork in the game, across all colors) and because she lets you tutor for an Ally win-con. With Tazri, you only really need Food Chain and Griffin/the exile-eldrazi, since Tazri will find your Halimar Excavator/Hagra Diabolist.

>>51797391
So exactly christmasland?

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>>51797052

It is Dragon Tribal, but Intet is not my waifu. I don't have an MtG waifu, but I do like War Name Aspirant.

>>51797289
>>51797411
Interesting, thanks for the responses anons.

creatures with toughness 1 dying when skullclamp is equipped to them is a state based action, right?

I can't sacrifice it in response?

What's the best set of colors to simply play tempo + disruption?

>>51797743
You cannot, if you do "sac it in response", you're responding to the equip, meaning you're too late

>>51791285
You should try Kyianos and Tiro group hug, shit is cash.

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>>51797869
>wanting to play as literal faggots

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>>51790364

>>51797894
If you're playing group hug, that's about as homoerotic as it gets.

>>51797869
My friend just bought that today and we all played the 5 stock precons for our first game, it was super fun. Yidris is fucking crazy.

>>51797306
You can't respond to the mana ability but the deck is at its most vulnerable during the creature casts post food chain. The creatures dont have flash, so when they're on the stack you blow that shit up or use your silence or whatever meme answers you're running.

>>51797827
oh well. Skullclamp is still fucked up.

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>fucking up the shithead Sliver player with silly budget Insect tribal

Eat shit nerd

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>>51790364

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/affirmative-actiondec/

I want to build to a point where i can win with one of the 4 "you win the game" cards i have while shrugging off damage, but hit back if need be.

anything from the maybe to support a slowly and politically built board state?

anyone have that pic of the levels of autism that certain commanders say about their players? I want to save it.

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>>51791076
Cool guy
>>51791079
>>51791780
>>51792875
probably a monoblack control faggot who gets upset when he can't deal with something.
Me too, bud. Me too
>>51796428
either a fellow jankbro, or trying to pretend he isn't UG cancer
>>51792813
I tried building him once, could you post your list/explain him to me?
>>51790364
This bad boy

Favorite Karn tech?
Umbral Mantle+Basalt Monolith beats are mine.

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So I'm considering building this dude for my next deck.

I want to build around his ability specifically, without it becoming a pile of casual garbage. I'd like to make something reasonably competitive, but I'm trying to scale back from my other decks (Marchessa, Karlov, the Mimeoplasm) which are all on the strong end of my local meta.

Any thoughts?

I'm considering some kind of -1/-1 counter theme + reanimation engines to recur the shit that makes the counters, but it's all pretty much up in the air right now.

>>51798446
Him plus Night of Soul's Betrayal with some untap effects makes for fun removal.

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Why is Rift an instant? What were they thinking?

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>>51790364
2nd place is tied, damia or talrand

>>51798459
Of course! I figure stuff like that & Thornbite Staff, Thousand-Year Elixer, etc. are the obvious includes.

But I didn't think there was enough to fill out the deck with these cards alone, so I'm trying to think of other interesting avenues that build into Vhati's ability. The -1/-1 counter idea appealed to me immediately 'cause it'd give me a chance to play Necroskitter, which is one of guilty pleasure cards that I've never had a place for in any of my decks.

Is Damia, Sage of Stone just a "do whatever you want in Sultai colors" commander?

How do I build her most effectively?

>>51797930
>tier 1 deck
>countering the enternal scourge or food chain makes it instantly lose

Wew

>>51791165
Where's scrambleverse?

/EDHG/ You are in charge of making a commander with snow mana.
What do you make?

>>51798814
Like a custom card or a themed deck?

Because custom cards are for faggots.

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>>51790364

>>51798824
Considering snow decks aren't really a thing you could probably make a whole one around it.
I just like the idea of snow cards and was thinking of what kind of legendary would have it.
I imagine it would be something like Sen triplets.

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>>51798899
There's already this guy sort of

>>51798722
At the fully enlightened level. Chaos.

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>>51790364

>>51798572

I think she works best with control cards, as opposed to some of the other stuff you could in sultai colors, like some sort of self-mill, sac-reanimate plan

Her ability is good with 1 for 1 removal and running lots of ramp, removal, and board wipes will let you get to your 7 mana commander more consistently

>>51798465

It's fun, same reason evacuation and sunder are instants, blue is just fun like that, you pay a little more mana, let them recast their stuff later, you get rewarded with instant speed board wipes

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>>51790364

>>51797812

What do you mean when you say "tempo"?

because tempo in legacy is like I play delver turn 1, daze your first play and get in for 3, now you're facing a flying threat that you must deal with against open mana, and you haven't even had a chance to advance your own gameplan

In multiplayer edh it doesn't really work that way because there's no way to actually pressure your opponents' gargantuan life totals (thanks Sheldoofus)

You can still "tempo" out the table but it really just means you ramp hard with mana rocks and disrupt just enough early plays to land a combo victory before anybody else really gets started, in which case you want to be mono U probably

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>>51798465
I fucking hate that card

>>51798572
Just run a shitload of ramp and control.

Stuff like exploration, azusa, oracle of mul daya and burgeoning are amazing. Just ramp 3-4 mana each turn while throwing out counterspells and removal until you win with whatever win conditions you run.

>>51797211

She tutors an ally on etb, and only costs 1 color of mana to cast

Pretty easy to see how you can just cast every ally in your deck, often with nothing but a single random creature on board when you cast food chain

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>>51798446

You'll be constantly overlooked, use this to your advantage.

Also, I have one signed by ron spencer

>>51799227
Uh, she is mono white. Her ability costs 1 of each mana to activate.

>>51799195

>his favorite commander's ability doesn't even work in edh

sometimes badwrongfun is real

>>51799241

Isn't that what I said?

>>51799243
>exile sol ring
>now other players can't cast sol rings

he works, just poorly.

>>51799250
Oh I'm dumb, I read it as 1 of each mana.

>>51799243
>>51799252

Like anon said, it still kinda works.

And I like it because trying to play lantern control edh is a blast, trying to get someone to concede by pinging them for 2 damage a turn and only letting them draw lands is funny as fuck.

>>51799258

I can see how you could misread that, I was trying to highlight how easy food chain and her go together, just one other creature can get you Tazri mana off food chain because she only costs white

Meanwhile you still have all 5 colors so you can demonic tutor for food chain and mystical tutor for pact of negation, etc

The deck is bullshit, we banned food chain in our playgroup

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>Zo-Zu player shows up on xmage
>entire fucking deck is LD spells
>spams fills the chat with ":)" every time he casts an LD spell which is like every other turn
>drags the game out for a fuckbillion years
>Slobad FINALLY casts Sneak Attack off some rocks
>Sneaks in Blightsteel
>help him out by dropping Aphotic Wisps for dat based Intimidate
>Zo-Zu player dies, gets fucking eviscerated in chat for being a cocksucker
>guy gets pissy and spams the chat while we keep playing

>>51799285
Food chain makes infinite mana of all colors though, so it wouldn't really matter in the end.

>>51799457

In the end, yes, once you've got multiple creatures in play, it's trivial to make all the colors you need

but if you've ever played prossh food chain, it's not always guaranteed that you have the colors to start the chain, particularly if you're trying to go off through disruption, because food chain's mana is all one color, meaning you need to exile 3 things if you're tapped out and trying to cast prossh

Tazri doesn't have that problem

It doesn't come up that often but it's convenient

Is there a commander that goes well with ancient obscure cards from shit like The Dark and Fallen Empires rather than just the tried and true goodstuffs? I've discovered a plenty of secret tech for monored in the old sets and I'd like to search for new stuff (in any color)

>>51799544

I mean are you looking for a card that says "creatures you control that were printed before the year 2000 get +2/+2" ??

There's no inherent connection between the age of a card and it being good with a specific commander, I mean maybe there's some really nonspecific generalizations you can make like older creatures are bad, newer removal spells cost more mana, but that's about it

>>51799508
No, tazri food chain wouldn't be affected as it goes off with Misthollow or that new 3 drop, not through Prossh.

It always makes infinite mana of all colors. There is no point where you'd "almost" go off.

>>51799596
>>51799508
Basically, you don't start casting Tazri until the mana issues have been completely dealt with, unlike Prossh.

Sure they can counter your Tazri, but you still have 100,000 of each color mana in your pool. Tazri could cost WWWWUUUUBBBBRRRRGGG and it wouldn't matter.

>>51799613
>>51799596

??

You certainly can go off with misthollow griffin or eternal scourge but that's not the only way

My friend's version of the deck didn't even run either of those cards, he just cast food chain, exiled a thing, cast Tazri, tutored an ally, exiled Tazri, recast, tutored an ally, exiled Tazri, recast, tutored an ally, and so on, occasionally exiling one of the allies he tutored instead to make more mana

>>51799650
well, that's a really sub-par way of doing it.

>>51799671

Why is it sub par?

I actually agree it's worth having misthollow griffin in the deck, but only as an alternative plan

The plan to just use Tazri + food chain seems better because it's a "1-card combo" so to speak, all you need is food chain because Tazri is always available

To combo with misthollow you need to draw/tutor both misthollow and food chain

>>51799686
Because it doesn't win you the game on the spot?

Your friend is playing a really shitty repeatable tutor that exiles your creatures permanently for a limited number of ETB triggers, while misthollow or eternal scourge wins the game.

>>51799700

But it did win the game, all the time

He would swing with like 10, hasty, double strike, trample/pro colors, allies that were getting +5/+5 and stuff, it didn't matter that he exiled like 5-6 allies along the way

Also he had that life drain ally

>>51799773
Jesus christ, your scenario implies he already had a fucking immense board of allies BEFORE he cast food chain, as well as a ton of mana from other sources.

How good it is in your playgroup doesn't matter for shit, as we know nothing about the rest of your playgroups meta or powerlevel, but judging by your explanations I assume it's not "competetive EDH" at all.

>>51799821
Food Chain Tazri is good because once you assemble your infinite combo (Food Chain + Cast from Exile creature) Tazri can win without any further cards needed, as she can tutor for the allies that lifedrain or mill on ETB, then you recast Tazri until everyone dies, while also having access to all 5 colors worth of tutors and disruption to protect yourself.

Your friends use of Tazri is nowhere even near that.

>>51799585
I wanted maybe some more incentive to explore those cards, whether there's something cool to be found in all those overlooked brutal color-hosers, Rhystic things besides Study or maybe cards with phasing, flanking, horsemanship etc. Stuff like that. Mirage block in particular strikes me as full of hidden EDH gold.

>>51799849
Oh, and the biggest piece of evidence that your friends tazri deck is nowhere near competetive, it's actually an Ally Tribal deck.

Tazri Food Chain plays 2-3 allies other than its commander, and both of them are there just to combo with recasting your commander over and over.

>>51799544
I pour over the card lists for those old expansions all the time. I'll save you the time and let you know that if you've never heard of the card, there's like a 90% chance that there's a good reason you've never heard of it.

>>51799897
Cinder Cloud served me well as a silver bullet against a mad Atraxa deck. Noetic Scales is another cool card that I haven't heard anybody talk about. Surely there are more cards like this.

>>51799912
You realize Cinder Cloud wouldn't deal damage because putting their commander into the command zone is a replacement effect, meaning it never goes to the graveyard, right?

Otherwise, a kill spell is fine.

>>51799821

He didn't need any other allies already in play, he had like 20-24 allies in the deck and he would exile like 5-10 of those while he got the rest into play, and they would all get haste and +X/+X

But anyway I see your point though, you have to dedicate lots of deck slots to his plan, whereas even though the combo with misthollow griffin requires more pieces to get going, it requires less deckslots so you have more room for 5 color goodstuff

>>51799992
It's literally a 2 card combo, how would that ever require mre pieces to get going than your scenario of "20-24 allies"?

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>>51790364
pic related
>>51790595
The thing that should make them wary is whatever's giving you that obnoxious amount of mana

>>51799999

I already explained that bro. Tazri is always available, so you start with just food chain instead of food chain AND misthollow griffin/eternal scourge

In the version you're talking about, top decking food chain without another tutor does nothing for you, you're still another top deck or tutor away from going off, for him, top decking food chain was almost always a win, games where he started with ramp + food chain in the opener were often easy wins

Again I agree with you, and see your point, that the most competitive version doesn't do all the allies because it's a lot of slots dedicated to bad BFZ cards and such

I'm just saying it's easier to start up the chain of allies with 1 card (food chain) than it is to find a 2 card combo

>>51800049
I don't see how what your saying goes anywhere close to infinite, after your second loop of the combo tazri costs way too much to cast and the whole thing fizzled out.

>>51790595
>Sidisi
>5 times in one turn
>4 mana to play it, 3 of different color identities
>Something to kill it, we'll assume 1 mana a pop
>2 mana to revive it
>7 mana a go
>5 times
>35 mana from a variety of colors
Jesus fucking Christ, no wonder they're not worried about Phyrexian Reclamation when you have almost as much mana on the board as they do in their entire deck.

>>51798197
Bumping

>>51800074

I think you're right, to do what he did, he needed extra allies in hand and/or in play, it doesn't work if you're literally on just food chain + Tazri. My bad

I always just thought of it has food chain = we lose no matter what, but I guess that's not really true, a lot of the time he would play glimpse of nature, sometimes Cloudstone curio, it was kind of a value creatures deck, so I was wrong to characterize it as just food chain + Tazri

Never played the deck my b, should've deferred to your knowledge

>>51800103

I like Phyrexian reclamation + Shriekmaw, that feels good

>>51798341
you like ticking counters up

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>>51790364
I haven't played in ages, but this was my favorite edh deck back then.

>>51800103

You're thinking of bug Sidisi, he was talking about mono black Sidisi

Still a lot of mana but you don't need color variety

>>51800171

And you also don't need a sac outlet

Let's hear some hot opinions, /edhg/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/18-02-17-zombies/

Be gentle, it's my first time.

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>>51792979
Because why the hell not

>>51800171
>>51800178

That's still an ungodly amount of mana, but black Sidsi is slightly more viable.

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>>51800185
because you'd kill everyone, including yourself unless you were on less than twenty life

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>>51790364
Whats yours is mine and whats mine is mine.
I especially like just leaving her untapped, because oftentimes the threat of taking something is much better than actually doing it.

>>51800190

It's actually a lot more viable because mono black can make 35 mana easier than bug as well

The real issue is that it's not even a very good use of 35 mana, if you have mono black Sidisi, and you have 35 mana, you can tutor anything, and then have 30 mana, or tutor 2 things, and have 23 mana, which should be able to win you game

>>51800206
And I find that extremely amusing.

>>51800211

I just built an enchantress pillow fort deck, and i wanted angus Mackenzie to be the commander, but he's $80, so I've settled on Rubinia here. I was a little disappointed but I do think it sounds fun to hold her ability over everybody's head

People aren't likely to want to play like a Vorinclex or a consecrated Sphinx while I have her ability up, and that's good for me

>>51800272
Thats basically what my rubinia deck is, but with more grabbing other people's stuff. Fun as hell to pillow fort until someone else has their board state set up, then yank it out from underneath them. Never gets old leading a horde of goblins into battle with a mind controlled krenko and soulsang rabblemaster.
Also incredibly fun to have someone attack you while rubinia is up, take another person's creature as a response, then block with it, killing both.

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>>51790364
It's monored control, not goblins

>>51798365
More of a Mono-Black goodstuff guy
I try to be a chill person at the table, but Animar makes me salty as fuck

>>51800619
Night of Soul's Betrayal
Sudden Spoiling
Complete Disregard
Grip of Desolation
Any Given Edict

Mono-Black should never have a problem with creatures. Sigarda 1.0 is an exception, but she's composed of Black's two Enemy Colors and even she has vulnerabilities.

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>>51790364
Love the frogmon.
I am also fond of Krenko.

>>51796796
If they can go off before you can interact with them, Teferi wouldn't be tier 1.

Can I lapse of certainty the flashback trigger on seize the day?

>>51800952
Love the Frog? Then you love value.

Cheers fellow frogger.

>>51801429
Very true! A deal-hunter to the core. Cheers m8

i really hate having my money so i want to brew my 5th deck

what's a good commander/archetype/colors for a deck that likes to build a big unkillable board? i really just want to be that guy who puts out permanents all game until i have like 40 indestructible hexproof permanents out and no one can even dream of board wiping me

>>51801489
Sigarda, Host of Herons. Gets you the two colours you need, White and Green, while giving you protection from sacrifice effects like Grave Pact, Dictate of Erebos and Martyr's Bond. Then you obviously want things like Avacyn and Asceticism, plus fog effects.

>>51801201
All flashback spells are exiled as part of leaving the stack, whatever the cause

>>51801508
shouldn't i run the other sigarda instead? there aren't that many sac effects in my meta. i feel like a hexproof human tribal could be more fun. maybe a bit of ETB focus and some mass flicker effects to protect them from board wipes

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>>51801489
This guy or ezuri, renegade leader

>>51801544
She's worse, but that doesn't mean you can't run her if you think you'll have more fun with her.

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Midnight oil in Alesha? Been using phyrexian arena and realize this might be better.

>>51801544
If people don't run sac effects, go ahead. Just be aware that no matter how indestructible or hexproof board state you have, Grave Pact, Dictate of Erebos, Martyr's Bond and Butcher of Malakir go right through.

>>51801590
Run both. One gives you anti-sac and one gives *you* hexproof.

>>51801604
>4 mana vs 3
>only gives you extra draw for 3 turns vs until it gets removed
>puts your hand down to 1 and you have to waste enchantment removal to get rid of it
Seems like shit too me

>>51801642

You always draw two my man, doesnt matter if its at 0 counters

>>51798446
Lifedrainer/healer involving Tree of Perdition and some sac-for-life outlet like Life Chisel?

>>51801658
That makes it a lot better then I thought, but your still have to dump your hand into your graveyard every turn. I do not know why you would ever run it over arena, like even if it's a very GY centered deck.

>>51796390
>Ultra Pro Satin Towers
Ultimate guard is far superior

>>51801776
>Vhati + Tree
That's really funny.

>>51801801
Why do you think ultimate guard is better? I have fiddled with both and other than the cut being on the diagonal for ultimate guard there is no big difference.

Once you start buying one though you should stick with it, that way you can mix and match tops and bottoms.

>>51801604
if you really need that second Arena I guess it's ok. If you have the ability to donate or sac it would actually have some syngery

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>>51792434
Because they already have pic related.

But yeah, the current Boros commanders are disgusting. I still don't understand why there isn't a full-on Equipments matter Boros Legendary when Sunforger exists.

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>>51801908
>I still don't understand why there isn't a full-on Equipments matter Boros Legendary when Sunforger exists.

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>>51792529
I would like this a lot. Have the signature big creatures of each color. Angel, Demon, Dragon, Hydra, Sphinx tribals.
Been waiting years for that 5-Color Angel commander.

>>51801924
>General encourages going wide, no voltron synergy.
>Thinks this is an equipment general

Geez anon, Aurelia works better as an equipment general than that, since she doubles the value of equipment, has evasion and haste.

I think he wants an equipment general though, some sort of bastard child of SRAM and GODO, while stonehewer watched.

>>51801924
Artifacts matter =/= Equipments matter

How does Tazri Food Chain actually win? Where's the infinite mana thing coming from? What do you tutor with her ability?

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>>51801995
I never played against Tazri but my guess is that you use the usual Food Chain + Misthollow Griffin/Eternal Scourge to generate infinite mana and then you can cast Tazri as many times as you want and tutor all your Allies and cast them all.

>>51801995
Dude just Google the deck. You get infinite mana with one of two creatures, cast Tazri searching for Hagra Diabolist, Halimar Excavator, or Kalastria Healer and proceed to kill the table by endlessly casting Tazri and giving her to Food Chain.

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I just started playing this format and got a Kalemne deck but it feels pretty basic and straightforward so boring.

What's something more exciting that has multiple win conditions? I play Izzet and Golgari outside of this so I want something new

>>51802059
Well you just listed every color so Hope of Ghirapur MUD?

>>51801995
You food chain creatures that can be cast from exile, (a griffon and eldrazi) to get infinite mana. This strat is particularly strong because you have 5 colors to pull your protection and tutors from, including tutors that exile like tainted pact to get both your infinite mana combo pieces for only 2 mana.

With food chain out and infinite mana you can cast your general and get the mill ally or the lifeloss one (hagra diabolist). Then keep exiling and recasting your general with infinite mana and food chain.

You can take a look at lists for all the wierd stuff you can run when you don't give a fuck when your combo pieces are exiled, but there's more than one like tainted pact. Low cost "one card" combos like this are very hard to beat, especially when only five slots in your deck are pieces, the rest can be protection, tutors and ramp.

>>51802059
Kalemne is awful. like, "top 5 most garbage commanders" awful. I reccomend literally anything else.

>>51801837
In my experience it lasts longer since the
Seams are better welded. Also the plastic doesn't get worn as quick in the lid bend

>>51795780
Drop twin and since you're already running high tide, play turnabout, reset and reiterate and use fireminds foresight.

>>51802120
Infinite mana during someone else's turn, and I copy a Bolt and kill everyone? Sounds fun. I just have to find a Reset and a Reiterate for this plan.
It's like a way worse Mizzix, but that's fine

>>51802199
Honestly if your deck was going to won through a janky UR interaction it was going to do so with or without Mizzix.

>>51802244
Mizzix helps the deck and makes it way easier to combo off. Jori Ein is "why would you play this" tier.

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Should Sheldon remain in control of the ban-list?

>>51802296
No.

Will he? Yes.

>>51802255
She's pretty good in a casual meta as she's pure value that will never eat removal whereas Mizzix would generally be a priority target.

Especially if you're trying to draw into Splinter Twin of all things in 99 card singleton.

>>51802379
The thing is, I have to combo while not being a priority target so I can play politics to stay in second place if things go awry. My Jarad and Yisan are already targeted enough when I bring them to the tables. Seriously, they'd rather focus me instead of Teferi, Mimeoplasm, or Azami.

Is Anafenza (either one) good for Atraxa? I'm going wide with Hangarback Walker, Hooded Hydra, and Chasm Skulker. Also, Gilder Bairn or Viral Drake or both

>>51802296
Sure, why not?

After the recent yugioh nonsense I'm just happy wizards doesn't have a monopoly on power.

>>51802296
Yes. Even if you don't agree with his opinions which makes you part of the problem with the format the alternative is objectively a worse scenario. Wizards is already fucking up Commander pretty good by designs cards for the format.

>>51802429
>complaining about Yisan being targeted
What did you think was going to happen? They would just let you tutor eight times?

>>51802561
At least Wizards is willing to ban the cards Wizards designed.

>>51802614
Considering I need 2-4 turns to win the game and I need a bunch of creatures on the board, the deck is no less dangerous than the other ones I've mentioned. It's just really good against control/stax decks.

>>51802627
Yeah then they design cards like Cyclonic Rift and Boundless Realms and the Primordials and Deepglow Skate and whatever other stupid cards that are balanced with the subtlty of a mallet for the format.

>>51802059
Does Adrian Peterson really play magic or is this some kind of promotional thing? ? ?

>>51802716
To be fair, 4 out of the 5 Primordials are absolutely fine, and lol at you thinking Boundless Realm is unbalanced

>>51802716
>Boundless Realms
These are the people that want Sheldon in charge of the format everybody.

>>51802722
Apparently that faggot Chris Kluwe just asked him to pose with it for a joke picture I guess.

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>>51802716
>Boundless Realms

I tend to keep a low hand, if any at all, and also have some amount of artifact recursion. What do I run to keep my ass covered:

Null Brooch or Jester's Cap?

>>51802716
>Boundless Realms
What the actual fuck? 7 mana bad ramp spell, if that's unbalanced, my decks are filled with crikey shit

>>51802950
Null Brooch definitely.

>>51802950
Jester's cap can fuck combos while null brooch can protect them, really depends.

>>51802716
>Boundless Realms
What's so bad about it? Sure it has potential to do something with land synergy, but its nothing compared to rift.

Quick question: if i have cathars crusade and cauldron of souls out with a 1/1 creature on the feild and cast a board wipe, when I activate cauldron does cathars crusade save my creature? What about staff of heliod?

>>51803180
Crusade won't, because the creature will come back with a -1/-1 counter and be a 0/0, dying before the Crusade trigger even goes on the stack.

An Anthem effect like Spear of Heliod will save it, because in that case it'll be a 1/1, not a 0/0. Combine an Anthem like Spear with Crusade, and it'll come back safe as a 1/1, then get a +1/+1 counter which'll negate the -1/-1, so you can Cauldron it all over again next turn.

>>51803180
Cathar's Crusade is a triggered ability. Persist has the creature enter with a -1/-1 counter, so it will be put into the graveyard as a state based effect with the CC trigger on the stack.

>>51803180
Crusade doesn't, but staff does. Staff gives a static buff and crusade is a trigger and the creature dies before the trigger is put on the stack because of state-based actions.

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>>51803228
Thanks guys

>>51803414

New bread anons

>>51792024
The only deck I faced with this is 5 color good stuff that was controlly as fuck.

>>51796567
You said skullbriar wrong

>>51800221
Or you just use diabolic revelation.