Horus Heresy General - /hhg/

>>51673688
kek Fulgrim is homo

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The First is the best.

>>51673688
>It's not gay if it's a Blood Angel edition.
>Emperor's Children is fine too sub edition.

You do not understand what it is you have done.
Not yet.
You will.
And God-Emperor save us all.

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Shit edition.

>>51673718
Night Lords paint lighting on to scare away gays. lol.

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>>51673688
>It's not gay if it's a Blood Angel

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>>51673688
>It's not gay if it's Blood Angel

Oh~
Is that so?

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>>51673711
no

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>>51673769

>>51673785
Sounds like something Curze would say.

>>51673711
>aiming the bolter left-handed
I always knew there was something sinister about the dark angels.

>>51673831
Curze is about fear, and pointless suicide. He would never say something worth quoting.

>>51673859
>pointless suicide
That's what Mortarion wants for his soldiers though.

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>>51673880
Mortarion doesn't give them permission to die. Every DG who dies has failed their primarch and legion for not enduring. Perturabo is the one who spend their lives like currency.

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>>51673920
>chinacastpertuarbo.jpg

>>51673920
Why is Perty so memey? Why can an anon just squish his face up a bit and it automatically be funny?

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>>51673920
That's right perturabo your not suppose to kill your own guys.

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>>51673975
Looks like an Altmer now.

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>>51673997

>>51673945

in a Legion that regularly loses 70% of its operational strength in campaigns, i'd say that 10% is relatively light.

For All his flaws (and there are many) Perty's idea of spending men is valid when it comes to sieges, where you are never going to get through with pretty tactics (Alpharius aside). Corax attack on Gate 42 essentially tells us that.

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>>51674107
you win that is the turbo of turbos.

>>51674098
How did guilliman siege his casualty rate was the best.

>>51673825
>can be found in the OP links
>(the ρ-μ one)
What does that mean?

>>51673843
THE LEFT HAND OF DARKNESS :O : O : OOO

>>51674141
Nevermind found it, thanks!

>>51673999
>tfw to intelligent to die at the Dropsite Massacre

>>51674128

And that is where statistics are misleading. Guillimans casualty ratio is lower, partially because the UM were a more flexible legion, and partially because UM combat record involves less sieges.
Given that 40K's sieges draw heavily from both WWI and starforts, its not unreasonable to assume that some of the logic applies to 40K as well. For the most part, you want artillery to both pin down the defenders, clear obstacles and on counter battery duty.
In the end, winning a siege doesn't really differ from being an IW, UM or WE, at some point, you will have to run the gauntlet in an attempt to crack open the enemy defensive line. The only major difference between legions would be the availability of artillery, supporting firepower and doctrinal differences.

The reason, why IMO, Corax threw a hissyfit when ordered to assault Gate 42 was because at that point, his legion had become overspecialized and lacked the supporting assets to effectively storm it.
the IW on the other hand, having a fondness for firepower, and a logistic train to back it up, had no issues, and would had more then enough artillery at hand to effectively pin down defenders, conduct counter battery ops, while at the same time doing a box barrage.

>>51673975
Holy shit he looks more like the Emperor now.
Do Lorgar please!

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>>51674362
oops

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>>51674098
>where you are never going to get through with pretty tactics

Wat. Tactics apply to all theatres of warfare. Sieges can be broken through mining, through encirclement and starvation, through negotiation, through strikes by special forces on key logistical elements, through luring the enemy into making sallies that are then ambushed.

Pretty much anything is better than some autist sat there going 'I calculate I will take 78.5485% losses in this full frontal attack before victory. Acceptable. Order the advance.'

Just throwing men at the enemy guns because you can't develop an intelligent plan of attack is full-retard, Perturabo was just an unimaginative butcher.

>>51674098
IW had glorious geneseed to easily replace losses, so they could play the attrition game unlike say the Thousand Sons.

>>51674277
I think you ignore that perturabo literally has lore where IW marines suffer massive casualties and their praetors are censured for lacking appropriate zeal (maybe some has it). Face it Perty is just has little regard for his boys, and will spend them in outrageous numbers to get something done a bit quicker.

>>51674411
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>Wat. Tactics apply to all theatres of warfare. Sieges can be broken through mining, through encirclement and starvation, through negotiation, through strikes by special forces on key logistical elements, through luring the enemy into making sallies that are then ambushed.
Then there's the Ironfire...

>>51674098
Anyone has a screencap of Gate 42? I know what basically happens but I'd like the details.

>>51674465
is it in the raven guard book for HH? I can go look it up

>>51674472
I presume so. I have the pdf on my computer, if you can find the oage don't bother taking pictures or whatnot I can find it myself when I come home. Just the page number will be enough thank you very much.

>>51674411
>Perturabo was just an unimaginative butcher.
That's just a meme caricature about him.

He was on top of his game in terms of planning and outfitting his forces, he just didn't care about the losses.

Perturabo would bring twice the artillery of everyone else, bombard a fort for two weeks then attack it with 50% casualties.
Dorn would bombard the fort for six weeks, then attack it with 10% casualties.
Guilliman would bombard it for five weeks, attack it with 15% casualties, and spend another five weeks writing a passage in the Codex Astartes about how he had perfected the art of siegecraft.

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>>51674490
p. 134-135 of Book 3. I had actually thrown together a half-assed screencap already, so here it is.

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>>51673688
I'd agree with you but gay has to be shocked.

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>>51674511
Thank you.

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>>51673920
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>>51673975
>>51673999
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>>51674369
This went too far.

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>>51674614
Chambers wasn't that bad looking no homo.

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Do not worry, father, I will preserve the Imperium for you.

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>>51674651
hahaha

>>51674664
>red shoulders
Oh shit, you've done it now.

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>>51674651
Why must you do this?

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>>51674677

How did the Ultramarines avoid all that Warrior Lodge stuff?

>>51674677
>The word bearer civil war lasted for 84 days
>It occurred during the siege of terra
>It was started over an argument between two praetors from different chapters
>One believed shoulders should be as black as his heart
>The other said a daemon had told him red shoulders would ensure victory
>Lorgar was too busy meditating to mediate
>Both praetors and their chapters were destroyed.
>No other word bearers gave a fuck
>this is why the codex astartes must outline all uniform requirements
>Signed your spiritual liege

>>51674736
Their natural character of requiring organisation at all times made the lodges an anathema to them.

I dunno

>>51674635
Don't look him up now then.
Time makes fools of us all.

>>51674736
Maybe because they were encouraged to have hobbies outside warfare (civil governing, going to cocktail parties with non-astartes, etc.) they didn't need the social outlet of the lodges.

>>51674736
They were well adjusted.

>>51674493
Which by your own rectally-extracted numbers makes Perty the shittier siegemaster...

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>>51674651
What the fuck, looks like Henry Gibson.

>>51674811
Perty the faster siegemaster, and when you have nigh-unlimited resources and manpower, fast is what you want.

>>51674811
Nuh-uh, in a simulation pertuarbo designed himself, pertuarbo was able to break into the imperial palace every time.

>>51674493
And Alphy would wait ten months while the fort built itself up, then turned out to have built the fort all along and take it with 0.1% casualty

>>51674493
You forgot the part where Dorn rebuilds the fort.

>>51674844
He fought against astartes planning the defence, if the Emperor himself or a primarch was the commander, it would be a different simulation.

>>51674843
Except last time I checked, no Legion has an infinity symbol in it's order of battle in the column labelled "total personnel available" so uh

No.

>>51674844
>in a game that a guy wrote the rules for that he only plays against people stupider than him, he always wins

well, I'm impressed

>>51674844
Convincing!

it's not convincing

>>51674871
>what does effective mean for 100,000

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>>51674736
Because Guilliman encouraged them to actually interact and make friendships with mortals, so the whole idea of secret warrior societies wouldn't have appealed to them. The Lodges were all about seperating the Astartes from humanity.

The Luna Wolves et al saw themselves as exclusively superior, transhuman warriors, as seperate and distinct from humanity, that's why Horus got so upset when regular humans started being given places in the Imperial bureaucracy.

Ultramarines were taught to see themselves simply as enhanced humans, but still human.

To quote Guilliman; "the Astartes excel at warfare because they're designed to excel at everything. Now stop whinging, sit down and pay attention to the rest of my 37 hour presentation of the most efficient method of establishing tiered farming communities in mountainous regions to maximise food production for centralised distribution, I don't care if boltgun practise is 'more fun' "

Do the Custodes have any real answer to anti-air? Looking at my friend who's building an entire army of them to go with his World Eaters, and wondering if two Vulturax or a Lightning, or just anything that can fly could just cruise around blasting them at will.
They seem to have a lot of holes in their list, really. They excel at killing large numbers of Marines in melee and the occasional automata with ID, but that's about it as far as I can tell.

>>51674914
turns out 100,000 or 80,000 or 90,000 or 250,000 aren't remotely "nigh-unlimited", genius.

>>51675033
*answer to Aircraft, I suspect they have rather less trouble with a Deredo.

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>>51673999
Watch your shota hole, kids.

>>51675034
They are when they're super soldiers and you're attacking a fort from orbit.
>>51675033
>custodes
>WE
Absolutely disgraceful behaviour, at least you can point out that he's forced to use the shitty LA rule.

>>51675017
I don;t know about you but if I had to sit through that lecture instead of bolter practice, I'd throw a paddy.

>>51674748
Kek.

But how could Guilliman know if he wasn't there?

*SNAP*

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>>51675051
And that is why you will never become one of the Emperor's finest warriors.

>>51675050
Nah, doubt they'd be played together, I think he just likes melee armies and wanted something a bit less vulnerable to Mechanicum and the other guy's EC and DG. They seem limited and expensive enough that I'd allow him to keep his bonuses, no need to have two mediocre armies allied together become worse.

Not even sure how you'd fluff Traitor Custosdes, you'd probably have to come up with some Fabius Bile super-soldier project #321314 and counts-as the rules.

>>51674846
That's almost Ancap-meme worthy.

>>51674849
My apologies, brother.
Six weeks in the pain glove for me.

>>51673711
Nice raven guard. Or is it iron hands? I can't tell all these uncreative legions apart.

>>51675071
>he says, despite the fact that the legion that spent it's spare time practising with bolters actually got shit done during the heresy
Reminder that Lorgar would have killed Guilliman if it weren't for the fact that that would have been bad for the traitors.

>>51675108
Hang on, so venting him into space without a helmet WASN'T meant to kill him?

>>51675108
He sicked a major daemon on him and vented him out into space without a helmet.

Both the Ultramarines and Word Bearers though he was dead. I'm pretty sure they meant for him to die.

Even Guilliman was surprised his biology allowed him to survive.

Lorgar was just inept.

>>51675160
He want to kill him, but he cannot do it personally because if he did traitors are fucked.
If Lorgar would confront Guilliman personally he will kill him.

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>>51675160
>Even Guilliman was surprised his biology allowed him to survive.
Erebus, what does the augury scanner say about his plot armour?

>>51675160
>something that would surely kill anyone short of a Primarch
>attempted murder where even said Primarch is surprised to survive
>inept

Lorgar was incompetent in other ways but he knew what he was doing with Guilliman.

>>51675017
Is this difference because of the Primarchs' personalities? Seeing as how there were Luna Wolves who actively refused joining the lodges (Loken, Qruze), I'm surprised there isn't the opposite for the Ultramarines (Astartes who do consider themselves separate and superior from humanity). There's hundreds of thousands of the transhumans, surely there's room for some abnormalities.

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>>51675160
Didn't fateweaver tell Lorgar not to kill him or Horus would lose? Are you telling me Lorger very nearly managed to fuck up NOT killing a Primarch?

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>35 points for a 30k tarantula
why

>>51675198
can we have this pic without the hand?

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>>51675238
Yes.
I remember it being tricky to find.

>>51675227
Could be a good way of getting some anti-tank into a fleet/rage blackshields force.

>>51675227
35 is pretty cheap for a TL heavy weapon

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>>51675283
40k gets 15 point tarantulas and I have a dozen of them I thought of using for 30k.
They're as expensive as rhinos. Although they do get pseudo split-fire and can target units outside of their designated targeting if none are in range.

>>51675325
Holy shit they are. wow that nutter butters

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Did this guy ever get rules? Think he'd be a great fluffy addition to a SoH or WB command squad. Alternatively kitbashig and converting a Davinite seems fun, I love early humans/hominids and making satanic space cavemen is totally right up my alley.

>>51675565
>satanic space cavemen
Putting it like that reminded me why I love this setting.

>>51675325
I'm totally using them in my blackshields for flavour. That's how I see them. I read some lore somewhere about Night Lords deriving enjoyment out of chasing civilians into hidden anti-personnel Tarantula clades, which I find hilarious.

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>>51675575
I know, right?

>>51675216
There were trigger-happy Terrans of the 22nd "Nemesis" Chapter.

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>>51675565
I didn't even know those existed.

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Do you think we'd ever get Horus Heresy-era Battlefleet Gothic?

>>51675637
Probably not, they should make 30k epic aswell.

>>51675637
Honestly, I think it's more likely than normal battlefleet gothic. They don't need to bother with the xenos races that way.

>>51675627
Is that guy at the back pole-vaulting?

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>>51675672
Hell, you wouldn't even need a chaos fleet.

I could see HH getting a lot of the 40k specialist games first, because they only need to debut with one army list and model line.

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>>51675734

>>51675637
Battlefleet Gothic is getting revived, and the Titanicus Reboot is set during the Heresy so chances are good this is exactly what we're getting.

>>51675734
Insanely beautiful.

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What are you working on tonight /hhg/?

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>>51675812
It won gold at golden demon. The guy loves space romans.

>>51675828
Well, it's the early afternoon here, but I'm finishing off my Imperial Knight's base and wondering which variant to make it into. Can Mechanicum use Knight Wardens?

>>51675828
Some Indomitus terminators.

I was thinking of converting them to special characters but I think I'll use the BoP Tartaros when I eventually get around to getting that set.
More troops for PotL, I suppose.

>>51675845
Holy moly.

>>51675871
He said in the comments that's like 18000 points.

kek they even edit some of their photos

>>51675871
Forgot to add that I'm kind of torn, because I like the aesthetics of Indomitus but the characters would be of more use without preventing sweeping advances.
I could fluff them as "artificer"/early pattern Indomitus, but I don't know if that would fly everywhere.

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>>51675894
>kek they even edit some of their photos
Huh?

>>51675845
I spy with my little eye...

A PLASTIC LANDRAIDER REEEEE POORFAG POORFAG POORFAG.

>>51675905
yeah I forgot the pic. I never knew all the paintfags moved to facebook, there's a fair bit of good shit on here.

>>51673843
>sinister

Underrated post.

>>51675901
Could do with being a bit more subtle in the effects desu

>>51674411
Daily reminder the IW were assigned the difficult shit no one else could do.
You remember the IW's costly victories, I remember the UM's utter defeat at Gaardinal along their not-penal 500000 auxiliaries (the IHs had to bail them out), or the combined Gotta Go Fast force of SW and WS being repelled while Perturabo's children broke the stalemate, yet were left out from the honour rolls.

I'm not defending Perturabo. He was lacking and Guilliman was indeed noted by his tactical acumen (but he can't pick a Strategic Trait like Fulgrim)...but I do say you guys underestimate the IW a lot and by a long shot.

If the UMs were assigned to the jobs that inflicted IW-tier casualties, then his legion, for all his precious 500 worlds wouldn't surpass Dorn's in size.

The didn't already surpass him in fleet strength anyway.

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>>51675953
forgot pic again

So everything I said was right except for Goldberg passing the buck for responsibility
https://trackofwords.wordpress.com/2017/02/11/black-library-there-and-back-again-with-laurie-goulding/

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>>51675981
Bull
Perturabo attitude was just throw more men and artillery - classic autistic with nerd rage
Guilliman would analyse the situation and find the best method

>>51676008
It was a mistake to commit to this talk when I lacked the time to prove you wrong.

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>>51676008

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>>51676046
>all that wasted space on the fortification
He's not even trying.

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>>51676070
I was in that thread. Was funny lurking.

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>>51676099

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>>51675985
The guy seems like a cunt. Past comments like
>Are there going to be any more surprises along the way? Oh, you’d better believe it. The original aim of this series was to turn the popular misconception of the ‘facts’ on its head, and we have absolutely no intention of doing anything less.
>Don't think that [William King's telling of the Emperor-Horus confrontation] won't be retconned at the first opportunity.
show he's more interested in being remembered as the guy that shook things up for the sake of it, than trying to dovetail with older fluff. Hell, apparently at the weekender he made the evening's entertainment revolve around getting himself more twitter followers, the egotistical prick.

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>>51675998
>solid-round Sicarans fire a huge blue beam
>the actual giant-laser Sicaran fires a line thinner than a lot of laser pointers

>>51676008
Translation: predict where there would be sieges and leave them to Perturabo.

>>51676129
>what do we do now
>kiss me you fool

>>51673711
>More homo than the EC
>Best

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>>51675983
nice model, partially ruined by the "airbrushed look"

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>>51676208

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>>51675828
>mixing plastic with resin

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>>51676194

You know, I would have thought I'd love the Mastodon, since a rolling fortress bristling with guns is exactly what I want out of a Superheavy, it's why I like the Stormhammer and the Stormbird so much. But I really don't like the look of the Mastodon. It's just this big blob with details more or less randomly vomited on, and doesn't have enough weapons for it's size.

When I'm doing all the little details on the Filiketos I think I'll stick some extra heavy stubbers and such on a few of the railings, maybe an anti-air turret on the top that can't actually shoot, just for the look of the thing.

>>51676194
All those scratches, rust streaks, scorched muzzles... and not a hint of dust, mud or fading in the paint.

>>51676287

One, awesome.
Two, what's that going to actually be? We can't take Iron Circle, badass as they look. Just a regular Domitar?

Like the Dragoon-lance axe you've got there.

>>51676194
It would look so much better if the command deck thing was on the front part of the vehicle instead of being on the back.

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>>51676304
Im just posting cool shit. Like positive shitposting. >>51676270
Seems like this guy can do rust when he is asked to.

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>>51676256

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>>51676256

I want to take an Allied Detachment but I don't want to take another legion.

really it's AdMech Robits (like the Vulterax HNNNNNNNNNG) or Solar Auxilia (and being a cunt with a Malcador Infernus).

Anyone want to offer any input/advice?

Ok faggots i need the /tg/ anons opinions here - hard to get uncensored "the fuck are you doing faggot" recommendations on other sites.

Im going dick first into HH having spent a year in the hobby in total. Ive set my eye on my yiffs yet again since they are the only legion i identify with... go fuck yourselves they are 110% snow white norsemen..

Grey slayers load out: prospero gives you 3 10man squads of troops including sargeants.

Im giving them combat shields instead of bolters. With combat mettle their shooting is less than stellar making me run them instead of shooting. 8 ccw/shield, 1 two-handed chainsword, 1 fist + boltgun on sargeant with artificer armor. Add a vexila in there -maybe- per 10 man squad. Would this in any way be a bad idea? Are the 2pt bolter upgrade worth it?

>>51676421
What are you allying them to? I cannot offer robit advice if you already do their jobs well.

>>51676349
>Lord Perturabo, the Emperor has sent you a message
>"Smile a bit more often, you're bumming all of your brothers out."

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>>51676461

>>51676461
Wouldn't think you'd want bolters since you don't get to use them to double your firepower increase from Fury of the Legion. No idea about the other stuff.

>>51674508
>>51674511
That's actually pretty clever.

>>51676505
One of the best models so far imo.

>>51676561
Really? With that pose and that face?

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>>51676608

>>51676461
Great frost blades would help the sarge more. Also full shields isn't as good as some will die on the way there, as a few 5pt power weapons so they actually kill things. Mounting them in rhinos would also help get them to places in you're not going over ten guys

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>>51676681

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Am I a bad son of Morty for not really liking these DG heads?

I love the idea of the spike helmets, but these just seem odd when painted. Maybe they'd look better if painted differently, but I'm not that impressed.

>>51676540
Only tactical squads have fury of the legion. Slayers have the mettle rule instead.

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nice alternarive fulgrim head

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>>51676721
I agree, the spike is the only good bit. Looks like a new sculptor did them

>>51676740
Possibly.
Doesn't look much different to me.

The pic everyone posts of the smiling Fulgrim almost makes me wish for a Great-Crusade era model for at least some of the Primarchs.

>>51676721
I don't like them either

t. >>51673769

>>51676748
Yeah maybe that's it, and the shame is the bald head is actually pretty good, but I'm not gonna buy the whole kit for it.

>>51676753
I feel like they really screwed the pooch not doing a conversion based on the MkIII helmets, which are the most Death Guardy imo

>>51676772
Are you sure they're not Mark3? What do they look like on Mark3 compared to 4?

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>>51676750
never ever

Ive bugged forgeworld multiple times about it, they will never ever sell this head

Ive even bugged Simon Egan personally about it, he cant sell it to me ive offered him quite a lot too

>>51676728
Precisely, that's why they're much less valuable on the Grey Slayers.

>>51676805
>ive offered him quite a lot too
I'd be pretty confident you could get a third-party modeller to make something similar. Human faces aren't copyrighted, after all.

And if they sold it afterwards you could probably help out the EC poorfags.

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>>51676805

>>51676795
I just assumed they were MkIV since they don't seem heavy duty enough to be MkIII. FW also pictures them on MkIV legs on their website.

>>51676880
True, but FW also put obviously MK3 stuff on the IF, for example.
A fair few legions (IF, WE, for example) have heads for Mark 2 that one would assume to be Mark 4, seeing how most people's view of the "Crusade" pattern is coloured by the Mark 3 and its heavy plate faces. This one might be something similar, designed to look best on Mark 2, but with some compatibility for Mark 4?

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>>51676837
The number of sick awesome rad fucking leviathans I have seen, basically proves to me that GW clutters too many minis with useless gubbins.

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>>51676681
Yes

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>>51676917

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>>51676917
*blocks your path*

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>>51676959

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>>51675745
Nice. I still have to decide between a clouded leopard or something else for my DA praetor.

>>51675901
>Have you lost your temper, Roboute?

>>51675981
>Gaardinal
Also the Word Bearers had to "reinforce" the Iron Hands on Gardinaal Secundus.

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>>51676969
*deploys hardpoints*

>>51676996
Go for a wet leopard

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>>51675745
Delete this. Fur has no place in the year 30,000.

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>>51676187
>That filename
You asshole

So I've been thinking about this, and I wanted your guys input.
I'm considering running a Jump Destroyer unit in my TS army, making them Pyrae (Gives HoW, or 2 HoW attacks if unit already has the rule), and sending them out to fuck with quads, heavy weapon squads, and other backline targets.
The idea is 20 HoW attacks and 31 attacks on the charge, all with that sweet -1T from rad nades, could easily wipe more shooty backline infantry, and even if they don't die immediately, tie them up for a turn or so and give my dudes a bit more freedom to move.
I'd probably run them mostly barebones, since I imagine they wouldn't do a whole hell of a lot more most games.
Input?

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>>51676349
Alright daddy

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>>51677114
>nothing on the battlefields of Warhammer's war-torn world could match the horrific reality that foxes, minks, rabbits, and other living beings experience at the hands of the fur trade.

>>51676461
Don't forget to give them wood combat shields.

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>>51677114
what part of declared heretic don't you understand?

>>51677175
Which 40k chapter are these?

Also reee I wish these were part of the Legiones Astartes.

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>>51677124
life sucks anon.

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>>51676914
They look okay on MkIII torsos I suppose

>>51676740
His jaw is too big imo, but maybe it could work.

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>>51677231

>>51677284
kek

>>51676917
I hate Leviathans. Literally looks like a contemptor wearing cartoon hobo barrel suspenders.

Agreed on cramming gubbins everywhere though.

>>51675198
"muh plot armor"

how many times was lorgar saved from near death by another priamrch again?

>>51677329
It was an affectionate mocking lad.

In-universe I'd probably feel about the two how my legion's primarch felt. ie: non-autistic bitterness and absolute hatred.

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>>51677317
>Agreed on cramming gubbins everywhere though.

Glory be to you anon

>>51677356
Do you feel the Leviathan looks over-bulky? Balloon-like? That's the sense I get. I know it needed to look massive - that's a fine concept. I'm arguing about the execution.

>>51677196
Titan Legio Gryphonicusas rather than a Chapter, I believe.

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>>51677395
I dunno It seems ok. The deredeo seems worse to me. But I love the boxnaut best anyways.

>>51677409
Gryphonicus. Obvious typo.

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>>51677409
I still don't get what that fucker was talking about.

>>51677395
>>51677395
I've had a think about it and, yep I like the leviathan. The dorito thou

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>>51677537
forgot pic

>>51677409
Thanks.

>>51677495
No need to be rude, fucker.

I thought someone had dressed them up as Celestial Lions (though it wasn't coming to me back then), and was bemoaning the fact that the coolest robots with the big cannons can't be selected by the Legions.

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>>51677139
It's funny because the letter is actual proof that PETA doesn't care about it when it's done to humans.

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>>51677553
Is calling someone fucker rude? Damn son.

>>51677548

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>>51677579

>>51675221
Never underestimate a Word Bearer's ability to fail

>>51677608
Who put the helmet on?

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>>51677608
>those skinny skinny legs

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>>51677634
>>51677683
I think it looks cool. Angron thinks leg day is for loyalists.

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How much progress have you got with your current project? Pic related, all the Death Guard I've managed to paint so far.

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>>51677712
Fucking beautiful anon. Love the dread.

>>51677548
And yet, hating the Leviathan as I do, I LOVE the Deredeo. I think the mono boob reminds me of the hull of a warship. Why a walker looking like a boat pleases me, I can't say.

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>>51677744
Tiny tonks are cute. CUTE! :)
Now all they need is a toaster function.

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>>51677779
It is a bit like a madcat. Taste is a weird thing aint it.

>>51677800

>>51677779
I like both of them to be honest, though I think that a Deredeo needs a good coat of paint involving rust or dirt like in this pic >>51677548 to look good, whereas a Leviathan can pull off the fresh and shiny look better.

>>51677712
Dreadnought is 6/10 not enough missiles
Otherwise pretty good

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>>51677803

>>51677744
>>51677803
>>51677835
Impressive how Forge World has matched these so precisely.

>>51677835
That's a big sword.

>>51677800
Wouldn't Ad Mech declare r2-d2 to be abominable intelligence?

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>>51677856
yeah...

>>51675910
The only correct response

>>51676070
> that pic
> that caption
Anon I can't stop laughing

>>51677920
>No hazard stripes

>>51677877
Probably in 40k, if he wasn't sharp enough to shut up and act dumb, but the Mechanicum makes use of robots a lot, including for repairs and such with the servo-automata, so he'd be just fine with those of the 30k Mechanicum who aren't religious purists of the most anal degree.

>>51676461
Yes anon.
Take the knot like your countrymen.
FURRY GET OOOOOOUUUUUUTTTTT

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>>51676561
Shit taste confirmed.
Pic very much related.

>>51677991
I sexually Identify as a furry. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of dressing in fursuits and towering over the children visiting this PG rated convention. People say to me that a person being a furry is disgusting and I'm fucking retarded but I don't care, I'm beautiful. I'm having a plastic surgeon install cute fox ears with a fox tail to match on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me "Yiff Yiff" and respect my right to yiff other furries. If you can't accept me you're a furryphobe and need to check your fucking privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

>>51676710

dont shields provide a 6+ FNP when out of combat tho? or did i read it wrong? while in combat they give you 5+ fnp.

Great frost blade sounds like ALOT of fun! thanks for the tip, nut what weapon am i to use for it? iirs theres just the 2 handed chainsword from the pwr weapon upgrade, any other weapon bit youd recommend. im pretty much going Rule of Cool when it comes to this but i dont want to get stomped to shit. i figured id get the 3 rhino bundle off of FW in my first initial purchase from them.

>>51677147

i looked around for some shields and saw that the chaos marauders from Fantasy had like 6 in a box. so figured id take those and shave off the chaos symbols and skulls. dont think ill make them wooden but definatly the square pattern of my division ( no, im not calling it "muh pack", praetor a "wolflord" or whatever the fuck i want to GET AWAY FROM THAT SHIT)

>>51678018
Sheilds are 6++ not 6+ fnp

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>>51677956

>>51678040
>tfw forgeworld is only doing titans and nothing else

for what purpose

>>51678009
I sexually Identify as a Deredeo dreadnought. Ever since I was a neophyte I dreamed of treading through the battlefields dropping hot plasma loads on disgusting xenos abominations. Heretics say to me that a person being a Deredeo is Impossible and I’m fucking retarded but I don’t care, I’m loyal to the Emperor. I’m having a primus medicae install an atomantic pavise, plasma carronade and Aiolos pattern missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Venerable Battle Brother” and respect my right to kill from within a metal box boob-shaped thing and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a heretic and need to check your heretical tendencies. Thank you for being so understanding.

>>51675198

Is that James Gandolfini's hand?

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>>51678052
Because they are stupid bastards.

>>51678027

still sounds worth it. thanks for clarifying.

>>51678066
I sexually Identify as an Imperial Fist. Ever since I killed 1/9th of a battle brother I dreamed of having people note me in imperial records and the Emperor liking my legion. Heretics say to me that an Iron Warrior being a Fist is Impossible and I’m fucking retarded but I don’t care, I’m loyal to the Emperor. I’m having a primus medicae install ballistic skill 5, immunity to pinning when in cover and the ability to reroll 1s to hit in challenges on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Anshelm, Son of Dorn” and respect my right to defend the Imperial palace and fortify needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a heretic and need to check your heretical tendencies. Thank you for being so understanding.

>>51678122
fucking kek

>>51675901

Roboute: "But you..all this...is a wake-up call to what I really believe...what I really am."
Lorgar: "What are you saying?"
Roboute: "I'm saying Roboute is back!"

Roboute Guilliman: Played college blood games, you know.
Lorgar: At some cushy Ultramaran school.
Roboute Guilliman: Try University of Terra. Could have gone pro if I hadn't joined the Legions. I'm not one of those five hundred world pansies. I could break the warmaster in two... with my bare hands! Don't fuck with this primarch!

>>51678009
Why we need eugenics: the post

http://www.spellcrow.com/space-knights-jump-packs-ver-p-297.html

What do you guys think of these mk IV jump packs?

Anybody have experience with Plasma Deredeos? The mix between Vindicator and Lascannon looks promising (and comparatively cheap for what it does), but I like to weigh experience too.

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>want autocannon HS squad
>new FW autocannons don't look so hot
>old ones have the ammo feed that might be a pain to get in place properly/might not fit BoP backpacks

IV + XII + XIV legion team-up when?

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>when you planning siege but you run out of chocolate pudding

>>51678293
Speaking of the old-style autocannons, I was thinking of using one to convert onto a Warsmith, as some kind of Pedro Kantor-esque bolter.
Does anyone with experience of this set have any comments on the feasability of this, and the ease of placement of the ammo feed, which is the main thing?

Would an Iron Warriors legionary be as technologically adept as an Iron Hands legionary? The context being upkeep and modification of their power armor and their armaments.

>>51678406
The Iron Hands were said to overshadow them in that regard.

>>51678406
>>51678419
>Hand Warriors

>>51678427
They're called Emperor's Children, anon.

>>51678052
Balance, I'm guessing. It's a lot easier to balance an entire system around just Titans and Knights without including infantry and vehicles.

Still, if people support the game and keep bugging them about wanting full Epic back, maybe they'll do it.

>>51678358
I've used them. You just attach the weapon, with feed, in arms, then, you warm the belt (hot water/hot air gun) and just push the ammo box onto the backpack, let it cool while holding it in place, then try to use capillary force to insert glue between ammo and backpack.

>>51676465

White Scars.

So mostly Outriders (no jetbikes yet) one of each sicaran.

>>51678538
If they made full HH epic it would cannibalize some 30k 28mm sales. In fact I think it would cannibalise many 30k sales.

Some other anon said the titans they are making are 8mm scale not 6mm anyways.

>>51678855
OK then. You won't be wanting Vorax or Thallax, you are plenty mobile already.
Maybe a couple big Thrall units to hold down the backfield damn well for pennies while you Go Fast? Also Vulturax are always good and you can take up to 3 in the unit, go nuts.
Castys are vanilla - dependable and useful, but not exactly what you're looking for.

A Thanatar is always a nice surprise, and can drop a nice shiny S8 AP2 Cover -1 and must be Rerolled large blast on something. Two, with some cybertheurgy, since one of the powers basically gives a robot Fury of the Legion.

I would suggest something like:

Magos Dominus w/ Machinator Array
20 Thralls, Fearless and 4++
1 Vult, or two if you have the pts.

as a nice allied detatchment, since the Dominus can buff the Vulturax to shoot twice, then you jink a turn, fly off the board to avoid the second then come back with everything ready to shoot again. Hide the Dominus in the Thrall unit, probably.

Other tricks:
Unit of 4 Automata and 2 Enginseers, all with servo-arms.
Cheap and gives 2 guaranteed repairs for the Sicarians, plus one more on a 3+ from the Dominus, and can dump quite a few S8 AP2 Powerfist attacks if you need them.

Alternatively, grab some Myrmidons: Secutors for haywire spam or loads of S6AP3 Dakka, or Destructors for AP3 Fleshbane Torrent or 40k grav, even a squad of 3 can fire 12 shots hitting and wounding on 2+ Preferred Enemy, and melt Primarchs easily.
They need a Triaros, though, so expensive.


Really, just pick a toy from the list that isn't a Domitar or a Scyllax, everything else is reliably decent.

>>51678855
SoS cadre imo

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>>51676287
Pert's going to be more bitter now.

>>51678976

sounds awesome. love the Vultarax model. Glad that at least some of the models I like have been recomended :P

>>51676270
Dust just takes a hose to clean off.

>>51676046
without the corpses and guns, that looks a lot better

>>51678944
They should market it. Actually market it, make it relatively cheap to get into. Make it the gateway drug.

>>51676681
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtGNywkxw2U

>>51676721
Do a throwback to old DG art and models and put MkIII helmets ont MkIV bodies and MkII helmets on MkIII bodies. CSM vehicle spikes should be small enough to be pinned on top for both.

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>When the walls too thick
>When Terra won't crack
>When Dorn was right all along

>>51676740
Oh, look, my Sagittarium Guard is here.

>>51677712
I think it might be your lighting, but I keep thinking these are World Eaters when you post. The shoulders always look blue for some reason.

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>>51678184
>>51678232
Severily underrated posts.

>>51678944
>it would cannibalise sales
This is such poor thinking. It leads to nonsense like not doing blood bowl for years because it might damage the core lines, then being surprised when it sells out really fucking fast and makes a load of money. It also leads to silliness like not doing breacher shield or Mk IV jump pack upgrade sets because they want to protect their breacher and assault squad sets, when all that does is drive people to 3rd party sites.

>>51678357
>>51679250
Dude, stop. If you have to force your meme this much, it's not worth it.

>>51679288
Are you sure it's not your eyes?

>>51678944
But think about it this way. Say you got a good solid product. A competitor makes an alternative product and makes money with that. Now imagine you made both versions and got the money from both. People who want 6mm games are not gonna go "well, there's no option, so I'll just play 28mm scale." They'll find it. And they give their money to not-GW.

You'd be surprised how many non-brand products are made by the same company as the brand product, sometimes even at the same factory. They're just maximizing their profits to provide you (at least the illusion of) a choice.

>>51679288
>>51679324
Unrelated anon here, got the same issue. Your light is just super blue, at least in the thumbnail

>>51679362
Weird, I'm not seeing it

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>>51679309
>>51679361
I actually agree. In the long run its beneficial. Gateway drug, people who only like 6mm etc. I really want them to do it actually. But I think its stupid to deny it would cannibalise some sales. Why make the titans in 8mm? So they are not compatible?

I dunno I wish they did it

>>51679392
Its only the thumbnail for me but there is a blue hue to the picture but not enough for the blacks to look blue once you open the picture. Could be that anon's computer has a blue hue so he sees bluer than the rest of us.

>>51679420
They claimed they did Titans in 8mm because the 8mm test infantry looked better (probably true).

Also, it's not like Epic was ever really "true" 6mm anyways. How are those tac squads going to fit into such clown-car Rhinos?

>>51679392
Not seein it either

>>51679431
I just want them to make it with infantry and tonks. But the cynical part says you make it 8mm so they need new models

>>51679420
Why is that one rhino backwards?

>>51679420
>I think its stupid to deny it would cannibalise some sales.

All the 6mm non-GW stuff already is and GW's not making any money off of them. Sure, you might not be able to play Apic Heres Horusy in a GW store, but they're hardly the only stores of clubs in the world. Where I live there's 1 GW store in the entire country and the FLGS has been cutting down on GW stuff greatly, because it's just not profitable and kids just order everything online anyway.

Bottom line, 6mm is ALWAYS gonna cut into GW's sales, question is whether or not GW wants to make money off of it or not.

The way Titanicus rules currently look I think FW is probably going to cut Epic into two games; Titanicus for Titan on Titan and Not!Epic for Infantry and vehicles or into two other games for Infantry vs Infantry and Tanks vs Tanks.

>>51679447
It may be part of it. But the niche of people that

1. have full original or 3rd party epic armies and

2. actually play the game

is very small. They wouldn't lose much from people playing with old models since so few people still play to begin with.

>>51679462
Yeah, they got some pretty heavy granularity in there.

>>51679422
>a blue hue
but anon,...
hue s are brown

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>>51678348
>IV + XII + XIV legion team-up when?
MEATGRINDER PALOOZA
TERRA CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH, BROTHER!
BASTIONS WILL BE SHATTERED
BLOOD WILL FLOW
THE VERY EARTH WILL WITHER AND DIE

>>51679461
I think it would cannibalise 28mm sales, but hey its just a hunch

>>51675828
THE FIRE RISES

>>51679516
Theres bound to be some loses but they wont be loses if GW makes money out of it because at the end of the day GW doesnt care what games you play but that your money flows into their coffers.

>>51679516
See >>51679461

>>51679452
They must be fighting on a moon.

>>51676239
>tfw not sure if Cthonian glyphs or scratches

>>51678232
If that is your work, it is a good one anon.

>>51679714

Such is Cthonian writing. For there is little difference between the writings of a learned Cthonian and the marks left by a pile of rocks.

>>51677708
That angron is pretty cool. Sure it looks less angry and I'd add some blood iconography on the helmet lie bloody tears or a red hand and shorten the crest but I like it.

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Finished up the Iron Circle dude.

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>>51679810
Side view.

>>51679826
Sneaky beep-boop is best beep-boop.

>>51679810
>>51679826
Man you paint super fast. And well.

>>51678976

How do Thralls get a 4++?

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>>51679974
Cheers.

Let's be fair though, it's mostly metal.

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I have $100USD burning a hole in my PayPal pocket. I want to start a 30K WE army, where do I start to get the best deal (model count, better units, etc) for the money?

Not my first army, just never played 30K, or have any of the rules yet.

>>51679996
Oops, I meant 4+ armour, from the Carapace. You can also have some Thrall-buffing auxilia priests and buy the Revenant Alchemistry for a 4+ FnP, but I find that unnecessary. No invuln save on the 5ppm chaff, I'm afraid. Unless you put them on a Skyshield, but then they're not holding objectives or tarpitting.

Full Blade Cabal with Biomancy power of their choice vs Angron. Who wins?

>>51680197
Warp Speed, Blade Cabal if they have an IC to tank and/or FnP otherwise Angron barely.

Iron Arm, Blade Cabal.

>>51680085
Not going to get a lot for $100 including 15% shipping into that

>>51680085
Go to an FLGS and get one of the game boxsets. Prospero would be good for Tartaros terminators, but Calth has special characters that don't need converting and a (totally shitty) dreadnought instead of the loyalist-only allies.