Was Beato a good GM?

no.

Nope.

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>>51672778
Yes. Some mysteries, some love stories, some horror, adventure - that was entertaining. But she was type of GM that always don't give players enough clues and put on gameboard monsters that are too strong for team.

>>51672778
Yes. The only issue is that she never went with her players about what exactly was the campaign about. They didn't understand at first what was expected of them, it's quite sad.

>>51672778

Yes. expecially for the ERP

>>51672778
Her DMPCs were obnoxious though and she kept inviting assholes to the table

>>51674088
Going in blind is cool too.
Someone post that story where the characters are exploring some martian tunnels and the players have no idea what they're in for or what's happening because the GM didn't either and was making shit up as they went, it ended up much like Umineko.

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>>51674880
>34
>asshole

>>51672778
Terrible

Say it in red you assholes.

>>51676784
>>>/y/ou+are+incompetent

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>>51672778
Finally, a reason to post this image!

>>51677475
>Kinzo isn't Drampa

>>51677475
That's some next level Umineko meme you have here, anon.

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Erika would have been better if she was given a chance

>>51677593
I guess Erikafags are even on /tg/

>>51677593
Erika is a waste of space.

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>>51677593

Nobody likes you, go away.

Cicadas > Seacats

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>That scene where Battler is conversing with the fake Beato while knowing that running a game on his own will always be without surprises
Hit too close to home

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>>51672778
Personalities don't count as people so no she is a bullshit GM.

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>>51677817
>She

>>51672778
Was Battler a bad GM?

Is Umineko /tg/ the visual novel?

>>51677832
Anyone with tits like that who claims to be a woman might as well be, far as I'm concerned.

>>51678060
>her name is Robert Paulson

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>>51677911
When it comes to running games and creating worlds in a RPG sense, certainly. There was even a MTG reference in part 5.

Without ____ it cannot be seen.

>>51677817
>>51678060
Honestly I would ruin Yasu's boy pussy.

>>51676784
>>>/B/eatrice+is+best+GM

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>>51678231
>>>/k/ahahahahahahahahahahahaha >>>/y/ou+idiot

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>>51678231

>>51677911
Yes
honorable mention goes to dating sim ayy lmaos, if only because /tg/ likes its HFY.

>>51679133
HFY died years ago, please let it rest.

>>51672778
She's the kind of DM where you know she's bad but you keep playing because you really want to see where the campaign is going.

>>51679217
She'd be adversarial as hell, but every time you lost or even eked out a draw you know it would be your own damn fault for not thinking enough. It'd be hell and I would never be able to stop going back.

>she

>>51680487
Did you not finish the game or something?
T R U T H D O E S N ' T M A T T E R S H E I S A G I R L I F I S A Y S O

W I T H O U T L O V E I T C A N N O T B E S E E N

>>51680540
>she

>>51680554
W I T H O U T L O V E I T C A N N O T B E S E E N

>>51680562
>she

>>51680568
Say she's a guy in golden text, I dare you.

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>>51680568
Don't be an intellectual rapist anon

>>51680583
>>>/s/he

>>51677475
This meme is too high level for me.

>>51680590
me on the left

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>>51680590
me on the right

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>>51672778
I do think so. Despite her rather trollish attitude, her games were fair and could be solved even without applying detective/mystery logic, simply by examining the characters.
It is only after the other witches took over her chessboard that the games became an exercise in mental masturbation, and after Battler took over, it became an exercise in "convenient self-lying" apologism.

>>51672778
So like, is anime sufficiently good or do I need to go straight for the VN?

>>51689859
The anime is pretty terrible. Don't watch it, though it has a nice-sounding OP.
The anime was how I was introduced to Umineko.

>>51689859
This is a VN that very heavily hinge upon critical clues, metaplot points, and thinking in a roundabout and unusual way.

The anime forgot most of the clues, never touched the metaplot points, and is incoherent and inconsequential. If you watch the anime, at most you'll understand there's some blonde witch girl who killed people or something, while spoiling you the VN altogether.

You should not watch the anime.

>>51690345
Reading through the VN was such a trip. I've actually found myself cheering for characters and being shocked along with them.
My GM uses Umineko music in his games heavily. Now I do too.

>>51690391
I don't want this thread to become masturbatory, but yes, the VN had the same effect on me. Some scenes blew my mind in a way no other VNs ever managed. For all its flaws, Umineko is a failed masterpiece.

/tg/ - Otaku Culture

>>51677754
Battler didn't know about encounter tables

>>51672778
So, explain this bitch to me. First she's evil but then she's not, and Battler somehow forgets his oath to destroy/kill her because tits, or something? Didn't she still murder his best friend or w/e?

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>reading Umineko stoned

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Beato - Crappy, but had stellar parts and her soul was in it. And hey, she provided the system.
Lambda - Far better than Beato. Came to a system she never ran and ran a great game in it. You can tell she's really experienced because she ran all of Higurashi too. That was some serious CoC shit.
Battler - Could have been good but That Guy crashed his game with no survivors.
Bernkastel - bully GM

E8 is a forgery, official solution is a lie by the author meant to cover the truth of rokkenjima, shkanontrice is full of shit, fight me

>>51691460
This guy knows what's up.

>>51691445
That accurate portrayal of Umineko tho.

>>51691460
A fellow Rosatrice theorist?

>>51692035
That's just one way to solve it. Shannontrice works too and lets you work with Yasu more directly.

I like to work with Jessica, though. While the game portrays her as completely innocent, she has a shady segment regarding her death almost every time, and more importantly, by far the best mystery novel motive on the island to go apeshit and murder people. Bar 7, you can solve the game with Shannon and Jessica as opposing antagonists.

>>51692035
>Rosatrice

Go die into a fire. The whole point of the first third of Turn is to highlight the duality between Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice. Not even going into Chiru here. Shkannontrice is literally the first thing we see after the prologue of the series. The first.

>>51692379
that's why it is stupid as shit and not interesting at all yes

and does not check out with the rules established previously in a way that if you dodge one loophole in E3 you are bound to get caught by the other in E6

did I mention it's dumb, only necessary to account for the meta to begin with, and would be laughable in an actual mystery novel

>>51692451
You are dumb, anon.

The mansion had a dozen servants. Yasu controlled the servant's placements with the help of Genji.

Reading between the line of EP 7 and 2, you see that Shannon was the primary personality of Yasu: she was on the clock almost 7/7. Kanon was created solely because Jessica wanted a boyfriend, and was very rarely on the ground. That's not a case of somebody posing as two people daily for years: that's a case of somebody disguising himself every other moon to interact with Jessica, with the help of the entire servant's hierarchy. It's certainly a practical possibility.

As to why:
* Take a teenager with gender issues.
* Growing into a web of lies and delusions.
* Get her best and only friend to lament that she doesn't have a boyfriend.

In Yasu's place, I would probably have done the same thing.

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>>51692533
All of which serves as a mere justification for the writer to go nuh-uh. It's petty and pointless as fuck. I want to believe that Ryukushi is a better writer than this.

I love how in the E6 endgame, Erika even asks 'can you confirm I am not Kanon' as to make it obvious she understood this line of thought as well, meaning this explanation that everyone figured out ten minutes into E1 could not have possibly eluded her, but she thought it was too fucking retarded to be true.

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>>51689859
The only good Umineko anime is either Alchemist version of the VN, or DameDame! subs.

>>51692609
>It's petty and pointless as fuck.

It's the core of the mystery, mate.

It is well explained. It is coherent within the setting and without. It serves its primary function well (fucking around red truths and allowing the mystery to exist). It is a honestly a decent idea, just like Kinzo being dead before all the games. Why are you even bitching?

>All of which serves as a mere justification for the writer to go nuh-uh.

It is clued in since episode 2. It's not as if Ryukishi pulled something from his ass at the last second. The author drops clues after clues about it for five entire episodes. It's not a mere justification: it's an integral part of the mystery.

>Erika/Kannon

She had absolutely no clue. She was just covering her base. You can see she was pretty out of her depth in the end of EP 6, and was simply throwing things until they stick.

>>51695052
"mystery"

>>51695052
Red truth cannot be the core of the mystery. And there is no reason for this entire clusterfuck to exist other then to account for the red truth, and it cannot even do that. You don't need Kanon for anything in the story that he cannot do on his own as Kanon, an actual person.

It is an overly complex, convoluted, and in no way elegant solution which might as well depend on supernatural elements in the way it implements multiple personalites. It tramples all over the rules of the mystery genre presented, good taste, and the alleged trust between the writer and the reader in the way it operates with the red.

There are also way too many assumptions you are making that go contrary to common sense, and the question of Natsuhi, Krauss and Jessica being apparently droolling idiots is just the beginning. Gohda lived with them (BOTH) for two years. All of the servants playing along because you promised them ten million yen, and not bringing it up when people actually die and it's obvious that everyone is set up to die, that's not suspicious at all. The master key count, the body-dragging stunts in a teenage body, very very risky ways to fake death implemented.

Then, the meatspace E6 becomes complete nonsense, the theory needs Eva to be the culprit in E3 >which she very obviously was never meant to be<, and there was more stuff but it's been years by now.

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>>51695837
To be honest, I'm not sure what ending would have been a satisfying resolution to this clusterfuck.

>>51695837
Disguises and misdirections are a staple of the mystery genre, as is the idea of the butler doing the deed. There is nothing exceptional or difficult to understand in what is presented: indeed, Kanon as a character is well within the limits of what is acceptable in any mystery novel.

It is a solution that is elegant and breaks no rules, neither in the setting or the genre. Plentiful clues were given to the readers from the starting point. It depends on no supernatural elements, only on the psyche of a broken child and special circumstances, both of which are adequately explained in the course of the novel.

No extra assumptions are to be done once the elements of the problem are well understood. Natsuhi, Krauss or Jessica didn't interact with Kanon meaningfully enough to pierce any masquerade. The only servants playing along were Genji and Kumasawa, both of which had deep personal reasons to obey or protect the identity of the perpetrator. Even then, they frequently disagreed when the situation became untenable and have their own agendas, as EP 3 shows well.

No amount of pretentious pseudo-intellectuality can hide the fact that you simply don't want to understand the many, many points Umineko make, for some deep seated reasons I can only guess. You pull plot-holes out of thin air, where there is only a solid, foreshadowed, tapestry of clues. You don't want to understand, and thus, behold, Umineko doesn't make sense for you.

>>51697273
Just because you can understand something doesn't make it not-shit. Usually the more you understand something the better you see how shit it is. Which is a lot in this case.

>Natsuhi, Krauss or Jessica didn't interact with Kanon meaningfully enough to pierce any masquerade

Except being, you know, the damn people who are their employers. It takes a special sort of retard to not notice something like what's going on, especially when you're cooped up on an island most of the time. And that's not even getting into the logistics of masquerading as two people, which if taken realistically make it hilariously unfeasible.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SHE

WITCHES AND MAGIC AREN'T REAL

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>tfw I don't think I ever played episode 8
I didn't like 7 all that much, and then it was was a LONG fucking wait for 8, and I think I completely forgot by the time it came out.

I should replay the whole fucking thing but I don't have that kind of time anymore.

Stakes are best girls.

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Obviously. Ange is not the only one who gets to be a brocon.

>>51696024

Well. I basically thought that every game would have been revealed to have a different culprit, kinda like the classic Cluedo film ending, and that everyone of them was possibly a murderer, leaving the actual version of the events unclear

>>51703650
Eh, isn't that the nature of the catbox of Rokkenjima, though? Remember that only one version of 1986 happened and it's unlikely that it was any of the versions depicted in VN EPs, if we discount the official (tm) version of what happened on Original Rokkenjima.
So if we disregard the booklet with Original Rokkenjima version of events and focus on what we've been shown in the VN only, then we, as readers, are basically people/Goat-kuns from 1998 who don't know the actual story and can only discuss it thanks to the bottled messages. The actual truth of events was never revealed in 1998 by Eva, so...

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>>51691460
>lambda
>ran all of higurashi

I'm gonna need explanation on that, this is the first i've heard of it

ehs<

>>51677817
I see the mods have favorites that get away with this.

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>>51692609
>Erika even asks 'can you confirm I am not Kanon'
I remember I lost my shit when she did this. Erika's the best.

>>51703650
>every game would have been revealed to have a different culprit
That would have been the worst possible ending.

>>51707764
>announcing a report

Uh oh anon, that's a bannable offense.

It's lampshaded in the games themselves - lambda delta means 34, same as Miyo (Takano's surname) can be read, denoting Takano as her piece. Shannon's alleged real name, 'Sayo', can be read the same way.

You might remember that even within Higurashi, Rika refers to it as a 'game' that she and Hanyuu are playing, talking about her hope being betting chips and so. Finally, there's a letter from Bernkastel in Tsubasa, that basically explains the whole thing: Lambdadelta helped kickstart both the game by providing the solid base of 'certainity', that would ensure certain events would happen every time.

http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Bernkastel's_Letter

While Beatrice just needed a solid core for her game, Hanyuu's game consisted of trying to beat Lambda head on, which was so impossible, that Hanyuu tried for so long she forgot what the point of the game was supposed to be. Once Rika did it, though, the impossibility of the task somehow made Hanyuu goddess herself, and had the by-effect of creating Bernkastel (the first part of Matsuribayashi-hen already operates basically through the hands of meta-Rika putting the pieces together).

A lot of this is already apparent in Rika's chapters, like the part at the end where Takano pulls out a gun and shoots Rika, but Rika negates it because she just made a minor mistake, and it has been sufficiently proven the game could have been won. After that, you get Saigoroshi-hen, in which Bernkastel comes to her own, and Hanyuu/Featherine needs her to reaffirm the game by doing the thing she needed her to do.

(it is also kind of implied that Lambdadelta is YHWH, since text implies that the 'god' Takano prayed to to grant her willpower was him, and she says something something temples built to her since the dawn of time)

>>51710894
meant to reply to >>51706104

>>51677475
What the heck is that?

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>>51712737
The spiciest meme of them all.

>>51713998
>>>/g/o fuck yaself

So what the hell is this about and whodunit?

>>51710652
>Thinking I'm a faggot and report someone
Shame anon. I'm just salty that the mods would ban me for posting the "evil Russian's about to rape a girl" propaganda poster that I changed the faces to tabletop company logo's, yet that anon is perfectly fine. I suspect the mod is a bolshevik loving /d/eviant.

>>51716754
The mods can't watch every post in every thread. They won't delete what they never see. Why do you think the report function exists?

And you're a faggot anyway since instead of reporting someone you decided to make a post complaining about it.

>>51716879
And your a faggot for giving me a (You) instead of ignoring what I posted.

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Is Bern lawful evil?

>>51718982
Bern is shit.

>>51718982
She was TN. She was on the reader's side the whole time.

>>51718982
She wasn't playing D&D.