EDH THREAD

>>51641924
>Liliana drawn by official WOTC artists

>>51641924
>When you want to introduce someone to EDH, do you lend hem a normal deck or an overpowered one so they taste the bullshit?
Give people new to the format the easiest decks possible. The last time I played with new people they were unable to cope with the preconstructed decks.

>>51642085
>Give people new to the format the easiest decks possible. The last time I played with new people they were unable to cope with the preconstructed decks.

What? Were they new to Magic in general? Because even a Standard baby should grasp how simple precons are.

>>51642137
They had been playing casual magic for years, I was suprised too. I had to explain to one guy the difference between planeswalker and commander several times. He was apparently confused because he got one of the C14 decks with planeswalker commanders.

>>51641924
>Assuming your friends are retarded.

Why not let them choose a deck to play with? Unless you are saying these people are new to magic in general, in which case anything that gives them a good grasp on combat, phase order, and the stack.

>>51642209
>He was apparently confused because he got one of the C14 decks with planeswalker commanders.
It seems to be a pretty bad case of not RTFC

>alright what play do I need to do to try get enough triggers off of purph to win, maybe if I put this out, nykthos I just might have enough mana to get these out and then sac stuff to make more tokens
>HURR I HATE WHEN PEOPLE DRAW IT OUT
>Okay? Making sure I can kill this turn
>HURR JUST USE THAT CARD 3 TIMES
>Oh you mean pay 3 mana, sac two goblins to make 3 goblins with only 1 goblin on my board? Might want to read the card.
>WELL...

Love it when people feel so right then you tell them to read the card and blow them the fuck out.

>>51642231

In my (kitchen table) group at least they absolutely loathe playing with cards they don't know even if they know the game, so I usually keep it simple when I want to introduce someone to EDH

That and the language barrier. God forbid there's a card in english in one deck.

>>51641924
I took two of my friends that have never played magic to the LGS and we each bought 3 packs and did a small draft. It's a great way to introduce people to the concept of "Read The Fucking Cards" and they learned about combat and the stack and shit like that. Next day they were hooked and both of them bought commander 2016 precons.

Now I've made an Atraxa SuperFriends monster.

Any suggestions for my Karn deck? i'm trying to make it as oppressive and unfun as possible. My meta is two friends (one plays slivers and precons. the other just plays precons) and the randos at my LGS.

>>51642558
Why do you want to lose your friends?

>>51642558
forgot link like a fucking retard

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/karn-stax-1/

>>51642566
because they are good sports, and don't mind the occasional lock-outs. same as i don't mind when the timmy players stomps my face. What do we care?

>>51642580
>because they are good sports, and don't mind the occasional lock-outs. same as i don't mind when the timmy players stomps my face. What do we care?
You guys are great people
Thanks for existing

>>51642596
hey, we just want to hang out, drink, call each other niggers and have fun. Which is also why i want to crush tryhards ironic because with this deck I AM the tryhard . it's a game, and esp. with stax there is a very clear point in which a player has lost. just scoop and ask for a different match-up

>>51642355
You sound like a cunt

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Have you checked your mail today, /edhg/ ?

>>51642773
I'm a cunt for pointing out to the loudmouth that I cannot use Goblin Warrens because I don't have two goblins to sac?

Pawn of Ulamog or Sifter of Skulls?
Need to cut one of them to put in Endbringer in my Meren deck.

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>>51642907
No, it's because you act smug and superior about a children's card game and then feel the need to vent your frustration and seek approval from strangers on the internet

>>51643014
How can one man be so wrong in a single post. Frustration? Please tell me where you have drawn this conclusion from. Correcting someone who is obviously wrong isn't being smug or superior.

>>51643073
>>51643014
You're both right and you're both retarded so stop now and let's get back to brewing and shitposting mirrored images

>>51643014
>This hypocritical

I don't particularly see a big difference between his level and acts of jackassery and yours.

>>51643073
>Correcting someone who is obviously wrong isn't being smug or superior.
no, but it is acting smug and superior to later post about this correction on the internet to be viewed by a bunch of people you don't know who don't know you or the other person involved or even give the slightest shit about your life
like really
think about why you posted that for a moment
what does it provide for the reader? anything at all? or are you just posting it for your own satisfaction?

>>51643105
You still haven't refuted my question to where you think I was frustrated.

Another smug and superior green text coming through

>playing some multiplayer
>some faggot Breya player, can go infinite and tells the two of us left that he can
>tell him "then do it"
>turn on auto-yeild and join another game
>he proceeds to do it taking whole 30 minutes to kill me by going infinite mana, saccing breya, resummoning, repeat
>he has to concede because other guy had a soul attendant out and had been gaining life the whole 30 minutes of him fucking around killing me

>>51643116
>You still haven't refuted my question to where you think I was frustrated.
sure i did
you posted it for your own sake
which probably means you were either frustrated about the ordeal and wanted to vent or you just thought "damn im so cool i just did such a cool thing i bet if i post about it online everyone will think im cool"

>>51643184
So... you're saying I either posted it out of frustration, but maybe I didn't post out of frustration but to look cool instead?

>>51643073
oh anon, don't you know internet arguments are all about projection?

that anon sees smugness and superiority everywhere because he secretly knows himself to be smug and superior (and hates himself for it)

>>51643202
yes
i'm also saying you're a faggot

>>51643181
This is just awful. Shortcutting is completely okay. Besides, he can just kill the other guy as well with no problem.

>>51643215
So you admit to making the frustration line up.

>>51643232
>Besides, he can just kill the other guy as well with no problem.
He had 10 minutes left on the clock, all the durdling around to make enough mana to keep resummoning to deal something like 80 life would have been impossible for him to accomplish in that time period.

>>51643245
>playing clunky infinite combos on MTGO
There's his problem.

>>51643273
He was a very slow player regardless.

>>51643233
i'm not even the original anon who posted that
i'm just calling you out on being a massive faggot

>>51643280
Uhuh.

>>51642958
Pawn is cheaper but Sifter makes 1/1s. Do you plan on eventually using the tokens to attack? If yes, maybe stick to Sifter.

>>51643292
uhuh

>>51643316
Okay buddy.

>>51643323
okay buddy

>>51643356
Good argument, let's do it again sometime. I'm gonna go eat some gnocchi carbonara.

>>51643375
how about you eat a dick instead, it's more fitting for your type

>>51643400
Lol, alright buddy. Keep thinking about faggots and dicks. ;)

>>51643413
i will as long as i keep reading your posts

>>51643450
>>51643413
jesus you guys are fags

>>51641924
>two Mana costs
>no name
>three boobs
>"Won now?"
Yes we certainly have.

>>51643503
Butterface tho

>my friend bought the daxos precon instead of oloro or derevi
Fuck ya! What can I buy him for under 20 bucks to get him started? I'm thinking an aetherflux reservoir, a divinity of pride and a sunbond.

>>51642905
I'm still waiting for cards I ordered two weeks ago. Never order from Italy.

>>51643560
Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim or any other Orzhov legendary. Daxos is a terrible commander.

>>51643595
Yes but the deck comes with Karlov, doesn't it?

Maybe I'll throw in a new teysa or an atheros too.

>>51643560
Sanguine Bond

>>51643651
Is that the expensive one? That's an excellent idea. I was thinking one of those mirrah crusaders or whatever from MM15 too.

>>51641924
>thread topic
Give them something straightforward. EDH can get really stupid really fast so I try to let them play something that minimizes the weird interactions that tend to happen in EDH.

>>51643576
Fucking same thing here. I ordered a bunch of cards a week after my two italy orders and they have already arrived.

>>51643273
>playing MTGO

>>51643673
You're thinking of Excuisite Blood. Sanguine Bond costs nothing

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>>51642905
Are you me from the berenstein bears universe?

>>51642905
>>51643905
You both made a terrible mistake. Resolving your winning turn takes 20 minutes and everybody will hate you.

>keep wanting to rebuild Shu Yun
>already have half a dozen new decks in the works
Help me

>>51642905
pretty sure someone stole my mail yesterday i was supposed to get a satin tower and some dragon shield sleeves. according to the tracking thing it wa delivered but i cant find it

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>>51642231
>Why not let them choose a deck to play with?

There's this guy who is sometimes in my group but is really dumb with his plays.

>Playing a 5 man game, breya vs phage vs newzuri vs gitrog vs karametra
>bad guy borrows my gitrog deck
>he decides to keep a hand with 2 land no land fetch or rocks
>manages to draw into signet and ghost quarter
>never casts gitrog or the signet and uses ghost quarter on his own lands
>uses titania to grab back ghost quarter and hits his own dakmor slavage with it
>dredges himself without gitrog so he doesn't reap any benefits
>everyone is telling him this and replies with "I don't the need commander because its not that good"

This is a guy who has supppsedly been playing magic since '95

>>51643905
>>51642905
Are you both me? I just bought this last weekend.

>>51644286
I got mine effectively for free since the store I went to was sure I preordered it and took out the cost of it from the Store Credit i spent on FTV:Lore that they never took out (even though I had told them previously that I didn't have any store credit left after lore)

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So we have a new guy joining our group who is supposed to very casual and our group is semi competitive. I don't want go full on dick mode to the new guy so I want to build a casual edh deck but the only really weak legendary I have is depala, despite it being low powered I still want to be able to win so what can I add to amp up the power?

>>51643905

>dragon shield matte red

I might as well be, anon. I got the exact same sleeves

>>51643984
In the precon or when I inevitably turn it into storm + t h i c c creatures?

Is there anyway to reccur planeswalkers in monoblack?

>>51644384
I couldn't find any. If you can splash for green/white though you will get many

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>>51644343

there are some interesting old dwarves, but not a lot. Just jam every single vehicle in + land destruction and have fun

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>>51644252
>gitrog
>not good
Does he hate literal value engines?

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>>51641924
>When you want to introduce someone to EDH, do you lend hem a normal deck or an overpowered one so they taste the bullshit?
I usually tell them to buy one of the 2014 or 2013 precons and i usually slap together something out of stuff i have lying around so they have a good chance of winning or I usually pull a timmy decklist from a commander vs episode and give them that list to build.

anyway anybody have any spicy artifacts or neat things for a artifact based bosh iron golem deck? I am a bit torn because slobad seems better but killing someone with bosh at instant speed has saved my ass more than a few times.

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sup

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>>51644512
>double hair caress action

>>51644474
He's not a very good player if my post didn't make it clear. He only plays precons majority of the time unless he borrows our decks then proceeds to moan about not knowing what to do because he kept a bad hand

>>51644446
I did make it with what few dwarves and vehicles I had but I am seeking a potential wincon for it outside of sun titan

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>>51642905
Last night i got my order from tcg to round out a few of my decks

>>51644552
>two really good cards and a bunch of crap
Money well spent I see.

>>51644567
As always!

>>51644384
You mean to field, hand, or deck?
You can always elixir of immortality that goes and tutor with a black card, magus of the will is another that can let you cast it from the gy. I'll think of more in a bit.

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>>51644567
>Whir of Invention
>Regal Behemoth
>Lifeblood Hydra
>bunch of crap

>>51644552
>pathbreaker ibex

good taste anon

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>Cycle of cards only has ally colors
>Cycle of cards only has enemy colors
>Cycle of cards only has shard colors
>Cycle of cards only has wedge colors

What's her name, /edhg/?

>>51644653
More like
>Cycle of cards only has ONE card
Too many lands to count in that category but Nimbus Maze and River of Tears are the main offenders.

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>>51644520
And symmetrical docking.
Which is better: A

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>>51644732
Or B

>>51644732
>>51644740
I personally like A more, but the colors on B are nice.

Fug I had a story for killing norn edition but I got caught up with work and the thread 404'd
>playing druidball with freyalise
>low powered group so it's a crap deck with lots of overcosted effects
>guy in group playing marath etb spam
>has a norin out
>cast tower of calamities
>EOT norin comes back
>"my druids chant a hymn to their vengeful tower god"
>"he smiles the cowardly norin for being a BITCH"
>marath player butthurt

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>>51644848
>>51644848
>"he smiles the cowardly norin for being a BITCH"
KEK

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>>51644848
>it actually kills norin

>>51644848
Obv meant to say smites but phoneposting is shit desu

>>51642905
You must be me 3 days in the future. Is this guy viable without storm? I think I am going to go wheels with waste not but I dont want to end up as Nekusar plus green

>>51644928
Nekusar plus green is good though, because you get to run Nekusar and Nath in the same deck.

You can always play a Maelstrom plus black of goodstuff too.

>>51644928
Nekusar with green gives you leovold tho

>>51644957
>>51644961
Honestly I just cant wait to go to value town cascading one of the new expertise cards. Do either of you have a deck list by chance? It is always hard to narrow it down with so many possibilities in these colors.

How would one go about builsing Yidris storm and big guys? Obvioualy you'd want to run all the palinchron style cards, some of the new expertise cards, the regular storm suspects and delve stuff, but anything besides that?

>>51644552
I fucking hate timmys

>>51644653
Zendikar Battle Lands
Odyssey Filters

>>51645031
>implying i'm a timmy player

>>51645116
>implying you're not
You just bought a bunch of garbage m8
You are a timmy

>>51644653
Arabian Nights basics

>>51644653
Screw enemy fetches. I play a wedge deck and I have to pay extra.

>>51645151
>he hasn't been one shot by berserk before

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So I'm doing a yidris reanimator deck, any of you have any decklists I can check out? Not many are focused on reanimation.

>>51644596
>a UUU tutor in the color of better artifact tutors
>a SIX MANA mana doubler
>a card that could be replaced by any draw spell and be significantly better
Stop posting holy shit.

>>51645419
>six mana mana doubler
Mana reflection sees play, and that one doesn't draw a card.

>>51645419
What's the best instant-speed straight into the battlefield are you thinking of?

>SIX MANA mana doubler
Most doublers are 5+ and this has monarch stapled in it

>a card that could be replaced by any draw spell and be significantly better
Counters deck, Animar and most monoG love Lifeblood Hydra. They might not be Academy Rector or Wasteland levels of good but they're not a bunch of crap either, SPECIALLY in a format like EDH.

>>51645490
*What's the better instant-speed straight into the battlefield tutor are you thinking of?

>>51645490
>monarch stapled in it
Which means you can also easily lose the benefits.

>>51645503
Not that guy, but you know that a correction is supposed to actually fix your sentence right?

>>51645536
He's a tripfag. Don't expect too much from people with autism, anon.

>>51644384
Xiahou Dun works for EVERY black card. Have fun.

>>51645531
Most of the time you just don't throw the crown in the table if you can't at least hold it up for a round of turns.

>>51645536
Well crap, *were you thinking of? Anyway there's no such tutor. Forgemaster costs 5 and needs three sacrifices and that's about it for instant-speed.

>>51645419
Show me another big beater that draws you as many cards as lifeblood

>>51645465
>>51645490
Extraplanar Lens and Doubling Cube in decks that can abuse it and haven't drawn their Metalworker yet are probably the only acceptable permanent effects. Any other deck has no business playing a late-game do nothing card while the best deck that utilizes a mana doubler uses a real one called High Tide.

UUU is an unacceptable restriction for any deck that is going to actually tutor for artifacts. Either you're multicolored and are having to bend over backwards to cast it before turn 6, or you're monoU and could be running powerful nonbasics instead. Note that doesn't apply when you're running a Time Spiral list but your slots are too tight to include this trash if you are.

Animar is an okay combo deck. Lifeblood Hydra is a worthless card in that deck. If we're calling Lifeblood Hydra a good card in the context of some fucking awful Animar/RM hydra tribal deck then fine, you win.

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How do I get the most value out of this big boi?

>>51645633
None because you wasted a turn tapping out to cast it and it eats a Path.

Would you like to know what cheaper green card draws more cards than Lifeblood Hydra and stops your die trigger dudes from getting Pathed? Greater Good.

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>>51645655

>>51645678
In response I'll greater good/life's legacy my hydra?

>>51645655
Storm Cauldron

>>51645655
Splendid Reclamation or Perilous Forays

>>51645644
>or you're monoU and could be running powerful nonbasics instead
>UUU is unnaceptable in monoU
Wait, what?

>>51645678
>None because you wasted a turn tapping out to cast it and it eats a Path
S A C O U T L E T S
Animar makes it cheaper (and the Behemoth too, I've seen Animar lists posted here running it), so you don't need to tap out. I actually run both in my list, I only recently dropped the Hydra in favor of other spicy tech I wanted to play in it.

And Greater Good can eat a Krosan Grip. As I said, they're not competitive but they're not the Wood Elemental y'all are painting. EDH has space for a lot of cards to shine.

>>51645717
Life's Legacy is sorcery, you meant Momentous Fall?

>>51645734
Yes i meant fall, my bad

>>51645734
>UUU is unnaceptable in monoU
Did you read the rest of that blurb or did you actually stop halfway into a sentence to reply?

>sac outlets
And as I was saying, those powerful sac outlets make the Hydra redundant, and not in the good consistency kind of way but the you wasted a slot for that kind of crap way.

If you're trying to say the card isn't shit but you have to suffix every post with "they're not competitive" then you might want to rethink what you're arguing.

who bought all the gate to the aether foils?

>>51645644
Mana reflection and even zendikar resurgent are great in Yidris though.

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>>51642905
Here's todays mail.

Took a damn while for the paladins to arrive, I ordered them before the speculator spike.

>>51645932
Of the handful of Yidris lists I've seen ranging from midrange to combo to actually decent combo I cannot possibly imagine how a deck that casts cheap shit for free would ever under any circumstances require a high-cmc mana doubler.

But enlighten me.

>>51645845
No I've read the full sentence, it just sounded a bit exaggerated that UUU has no place in monoU. Hell, UUUU is played in monoU a lot with Mind Over Matter. And yeah, it's a combo card but Whir can tutor combo cards as well (Whir for Otherworld Atlas, for example).

The Hydra provides more then the draw but I know lifegain is not exactly an advantage over other cards that do similar things.

>>51645845
>If you're trying to say the card isn't shit but you have to suffix every post with "they're not competitive" then you might want to rethink what you're arguing.
Ok, let me rephrase that: Those cards have purpose and can be used in tight spots or specific cases (Hydra is extra card draw in monoG, Whir puts the tutored card into the field, Behemoth ramps and provides a monarch trigger). When I evaluate cards I like to think on corner situations since Commander gives me space to run both straight answers and corner-case cards. I do understand if you are shooting straigh-up to victory the fastest way they are not the best options. I still think Whir has place in situations like that, it's TO THE BATTLEFIELD but ok, opinions.

Also, none of them are expensive, and that ALWAYS catches my eye.

>>51645982
Rude Awakening and Turnabout. More mana for more spells.

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>>51645968
>mfw just last week I bought this crack hobo's unsorted collection for $45 and pulled this along a bunch of other shit and still haven't even finished sorting it

>>51646009
You could just play actual storm at that point and forgo the shitty enchantments. I would go so far as to say they actually make your deck worse by hurting it's consistency.

>>51644512
Does this look like a title fight to anyone else?

>>51646096

I'd watch Young Bucks vs Supergays, honestly

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>>51646027

Lucky bastard.

>>51645678
Since this is clearly magical Christmasland he already had greater good and sacs the hydra to it.

>>51646027
Geez I wonder if he actually wanted to sell all this. Or maybe it was a clueless father selling his son's collection.

>>51646096
>Siamese twins on opposite sides of a title fight
Now THAT'S what I call a great show.

help /tg/ i really love my kemba voltron deck, but i feel like sram is gonna net me the most consistency

who do i pick

>>51646174
Having a removal spell is not Magical Christmas Land, hot damn /tg/.

>>51646174
More like if you want to play Hydra you clearly don't play it in a situation where it's gonna get Path'ed without a back-up like Greater Good or Ashnod's or whatever. Or just don't tap out to the Hydra, really.

>>51646204
Having an exiling removal spell in your hand at all times kind of is.

>>51646192
He was a drug addict and had been handed the cards by another guy who owed him money so he could borrow some money to buy some weed if I understood his heroine ramblings correctly.

I only believe him because it's hard to believe someone would steal like 50 pounds of cards.

>>51646244
If you don't have a decent removal spell available that late in the game you probably lost before the Hydra was cast.

How many tutors on a stick are there in Mardu colors? All I can think of is Sidisi and Rune-Scarred Demon

What about
>Emrakul's Evangel
>Regal Force
In Meren?

>>51646267
Depends on what you plan on tutoring, any card or a specific type?

>>51646266
>that late
Hydra is XGGG, it could be cast pretty earlier. Also define decent, a spell that destroys can be very decent IMO.

>>51646282
I find Regal Force too costly for what it does, but it can be a huge blow in your favor too. Evangel is spicy.

>>51646267
Depends on what you're tutoring for, there's that one shitty dragon for artifacts, Academy Rector, Boonweaver Giant, Recruiter of the Guard, Imperial Recruiter, and some other obvious shit I'm forgetting.

>>51646266
Right and the person casting the hydra is probably going to have a back up plan to get value out of the hydra if you do at that point.>>51646229 Like he said you don't play it until you can guarantee value out of it. Just because someone's making a Timmy play doesn't mean that they are don't know how to play the game.

>>51646252
How do you find these people?

>>51646282
Also, what's the best choice for Saprolings shenanigan?
Ghave or Verdeloth?

>>51646301
>>51646302
Anything, really. I'm that idiot from last night who was making an Oops All Permanents Alesha deck

>>51646368
Probably Ghave. Gives you access to more shit.

>>51646368
>Ghave saproling shenanigans
I've got a list, if you wanted to take a look

>>51646361
Working in a bad part of town, with the sort of job that lets me open-carry.

>>51646027
>crack hobo's collection
You know that shit was stolen right?

>>51646387
Go ahead
That's the strategy I prefer with my Meren deck
Tons of Saprolings then drop Skullclamp/Bloodspore Thrinax/Mycoloth

>>51646370
Well, some >>51646302 didn't mention: Heliod's Pilgrim, Corpse Connoisseurs (kind of tutors since you're playing Alesha), and that's it from memory. I swear I had some spicy shit to point out when I read your question but I can't remember nothing now.

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>>51645655

>>51646406
See
>>51646252
It was like four big tubs, one of which required two people to carry.

>>51646414
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/m-u-s-h-r-o-o-m-s-a-m-b-a/

>>51646484
Thanks
>700 bucks on tcgplayer
Well, my landbase's gonna be cheaper than that

can blue get a land from the graveyard or do i need time reversal?

How worth it is it to build Zada? Does anyone have a list?

>>51646524
If it's an artifact yes.

>>51646516
Hah, yeah. I just have one of each fetch/shock/dual (and I'm close to having all the shocks and fetches Expedition-ized) in perfect fits in a separate box, and I just slide them into the empty sleeves for whatever deck I want to play. That way I only need those 30 lands and I have everything for any color combination.

>>51644716

River of tears probably won't be reprinted because too much to keep track of for players

Nimbus maze should be a full 10 card cycle, honestly. good design and encourages basics in standard

>>51646538
i wanted to get back a thespian's stage or something in case of mill. guess i'll rely on counters.

>>51646425
Corpse Connoisseur looks real nice substitute for Entomb, thanks

>>51645025
Pls ;_;

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>tfw your list of cards that didn't fit the 99 nonlands slots can be used to build a separate deck
Why is there so many good cards and so little slots?

See pic - I need a good alternate enchantment-based single-card wincon in my Zedruu pillowfort deck, and both have their pros and cons.

Does anyone have good experience with the Ascension?

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How do you store your decks /tg/?

>>51646529
Apparently she's a fun commander because she makes normally shit cards go off insanely.

Titans strength, for example.

Just build standard go-wide tokens and cheap single target cards that break when they apply to 10 creatures. If I remember correctly, one draws you a card as well as buff a single target. That applied to 10 or so is insane.


Seems like a great budget build

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>>51646941
Not at home, but in satin towers in a big wooden crate.

also, I would HIGHLY advise against the way you're storing your decks, as I've seen the worst case scenario, literally watched 5 decks pour out onto the sidewalk while it was raining

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>>51646941
I was recommended the Satin Tower, so I bought a few. They look nice, but they damage the front sleeve across the middle, where it touches the edge of the bottom compartment. There is a distinct horizontal line on all my Commanders' sleeves after one day of carrying the decks.

>>51646941
I put them into these ultra pro deckboxes, and the deckboxes into a camera suitcase. When you store them like you do, the cards get dirty really fast and the sleeves fall apart.

>>51646529
Zada is cheap fun and pulls wins out of nowhere. It is also inconsistent if you cant get creatures going and a total glass cannon. Also in monored of you kill everyone including yourself it counts as a win.

>>51647021
As an owner of 13 or so satin Towers, you're packing the cards in too tight, I'm assuming you are double sleeving and not pushing the air bubbles out.

If you get the air out of the sleeves, 100 cards double sleeved fit comfortably with a cm or so of room extra

>>51646941
A similar box like yours, but mine is a YGO Special Edition box, it's a bit higher and fits only three decks.

>>51646200
post your list then we'll help you

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>>51646951
>>51646529
>>51647068

Say you target one of your five creatures with this, while zada is on field.

Would you draw for each copy?

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>>51646941
Finished decks, built decks and decks I'm brewing are in those boxes
The finished decks are sleeved and in a plastic ultrabox
The built decks, that are regularly modified, are only sleeved
And the cards for decks I'm brewing are in boxes, unsleeved except for value cards

>>51646916
Ascension will win the game for you if it goes unanswered, the value it generates is just ridiculous, especially after a late game boardwipe.

>>51647069
Cheers.

I'm using Dragon Shield Matte sleeves, and I was told those are thicker. I even tried to lay books on the top of the deck to push out the air bubbles, but it's still a very tight fit.

I'm assuming that it gets flatter after use, I recently bought all-new sleeves for my decks.

>>51647089
Exactly. Same goes for Fiery Gambit, target Zada with it and flip coins for each creature you control, probably generating a buttload of mana and killing everyone in the process.

>>51647099
I'm looking at situations where it's just down to me and one other opponent, so it will take a few turns for the Ascension to get online and start generating tokens.. It just does nothing for a few turns, that's why I'm hesitant to put it in. Sacred Mesa creates blockers right away.

>>51646200
put him in the 99. if you find yourself running out of gas, or find sram to be preforming incredibly well, which kemba out for him and put her in the 99

>>51645031
Says the Spike player with proxies

>>51645419
>Whir of Invention is a bad artifact tutor
>3 mana for instant speed Mana Crypt
>4 mana for instant speed Mana Vault or Sol Ring
>Can pay for X with artifacts like Winter Orb, Trinisphere, etc

I'll have what he's having

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Where do these fall in the EDH hierarchy of duals? Obviously an easy include in a two-color deck, but what about 3 and more?

>>51644716
Krosan Verge. Great budget fetch land in colors that don't really need it.

>>51644343
Here's my list. It's by no means a high tier deck, but it does punish those who don't carry mass artifact removal. Vehicles are pretty good in this cuz they dodge mass removal.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/depala-nascar/

>>51647253
>tfw will never have Izzet, Rakdos or Boros Verge
Truly living is suffering

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>>51647237
>Some have flavor text and some don't

>>51646941
I've got a PirateLabs case. Holds something like 12 double-sleeved decks. Right now it's holding 6 decks, two boxes for dice and counters, my Planechase and Archenemy stuff, and a box for tokens.

>>51645419
Except Whir is an instant and puts it directly into play? The only better artifact tutor that isn't a creature is probably Reshape.

Onto the battlefield is much more powerful than Fabricate/Enlightened tutor because you can do it on your opponents turn and untap with it. The improvise thing just is icing on the cake.

I mean, for fucks sake, Chord see a lot of play and this is just the artifact version of it.

>>51647237
They're so far down on my ranking I wouldn't even put them in a 2 color deck, let alone a 3 color.

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>>51647089
Yes. I like cards like this to avoid discarding and setting up for a big empty the warrens into a Purphorus the following turn. Also get a copy of Firestorm. Easy wincon at the cost of your creatures and 30 card hand.

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>>51647302
>Planechase and Archenemy Stuff
I wish there was a deckbox for ~100 doublesleeved oversized cards. I'm using a fat pack box for them right now but there's a lot of unused space.

>>51647330
I guess they just make good budget alternatives, then.

>>51647379
>4/1/2008: For example, if you discard four cards, you must target four different creatures and/or players. Firestorm will deal 4 damage to each of them.
Firestorm doesn't work with Zada like I'm thinking you are thinking.

>>51647402
Bruh if you dont have 30 goblins to target along with the other 3 players you are doing Zada wrong.

>>51647399
So, apparently there WAS a deckbox just for Planes/Schemes around the time Planechase came out. I've seen them, but they're hard to find online, and expensive, and they won't hold 100 double sleeved.

If you want to use the Fat Pack box (I used to, before I got my Piratelabs case), I'd recommend using that empty space to store tokens and/or a diceblock.

>>51647399

fug i am jelly

>>51647425
If you play Firestorm with two targets, Zada doesn't copy it. You seem to be the one playing her wrong.

>>51647237
i play them if i have them, but they are nearly on the same tier as guildgates

>>51647434
Full set of all Planes is super-cheap now. 40€ in Europe.

I'm waiting for the Bolas Archenemy release to get my hands on some Schemes.

>>51644512
>Each opponent card a card
Could work in some decks

>>51647436
Zada has huge draw power. When you pitch a 30 card hand to Firestorm it does 30 damage to 30 things. Zada isnt copying anything. If you need legal targets to resolve the spell just target your own board. You should have enough tokens to absorb the damage without having to target yourself.

I wanna do B/G Infect. What would be the best general to use? I know none of them have infect but I wanna try.

>>51647550

Skullbriar to give him infect and hit hard

>>51647550
None of them. If you wanna do infect, build Skittles.

>>51647550
varolz. scavenging onto things like blight mamba and phyrexian crusader etc, along with tainted strikes and phyrexians hydras ends the game very quickly. i had a varolz deck, and it was the reason my group house ruled that infect now needs to be 20 to be lethal.

>>51647237
Probably the worst of the rare two color land cycles. Are more likely to enter tapped than not, generally. Still, if you're working within a budget, they're better than nothing. Obviously, the more colors your deck is, the worse they are.

>>51647550
>2017
>playing colgate
shiggy diggy

use atraxa

>>51647604
>>51647447
Do I just run Aether Hub instead?

I want to build a commander deck that is based around constantly bouncing the board. Who should I use?

>>51647726
Brago?

>>51647700
Aether Hub is basically a strictly better Tendo Ice Bridge. It's... okay.

>>51646941
Pirate Lab bag + Satin Towers

>>51647797
I just use the Pirate Lab boxes. They're nothing fancy, but the case is solid enough that all I really need is a way to keep the cards separate and be able to easily pull one deck out.

I know Satin Towers fit into the PL case just fine, but I don't think I'd be able to fit more than 6 decks in Satin Towers.

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what can I use besides Umbral Mantle to go infinite mana?

or do I have to spend part of my deck tutoring the fucker? Running RGW

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>>51647822

>>51647822
I, uh...

What are you using with Mantle to get infinite mana?

>>51647866
Selvala and Voyaging Satyr ideally.

Usually I just Karametra's Acolyte though because she's the easiest. It's just... she only produces green. Which was great in my omnath deck, but...

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>>51647866
I for one use either version of Selvala, but pretty much any dork that taps for more than the activation cost of mantel goes infinite

How many cards can you reasonably dedicate for combo pieces before it starts hurting you? How many combos do you need to have? What's some spicy combos in Grixis?

>>51647907
Depends on how many tutors do you have and how many cards is the combo. Also, how many distinct combos there are.

I'd say if there are more than 10 cards that are just various combo pieces and not anything else, it starts to hurt your draws.

>>51647883
>>51647888
So, if the question is "What can I sub in for Mantle to go infinite with dorks like Selvala", nothing.

If the question is"What else can I do to get infinite mana in RGW", a lot.

>>51647436
Hes saying after u use zada to draw shit tons of cards, just use firestorm to end game, u don't need to target zada for that part unless you need more targets to actually resolve firestorm, in which case zada dying is fine cause so will your opponent's.

>>51647957
That does very fucking fragile though, slightest hint of counters and there goes a huge chunk of your board and all cards in your hand.

>>51647949
sort of both. What I want to do is generate infinite RGW mana, use that to tap and untap my commander, Mayael, infinitely to play every creature with power 5+ from my deck.

Then I've basically already won.

>>51647971
I mean, if they counter it you lose your hand but not your board.

>>51647907
My argument has always been, "If it's only good as a combo piece, it's not worth keeping around". You never want to draw one card for a combo piece, and be like, "Ok. Guess I can't play this until I either tutor, or draw into the rest of the combo." It needs to be useful otherwise.

Except in very rare, specific circumstances.

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>When Marchesa over your kingdom

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>>51648037
I really need to proofread my shit before I post it

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>>51646941
Anon, please swap the positions of the black-sleeved deck and the red-sleeved deck.

>>51646941
Fat pack/deck builders toolkit boxes
They fit about 3 cmdr decks though fat pack boxes are a bit smaller and more likely do damage the front/last card in the box because of how you slide the top on it. Deck builders toolkit boxes are the best imo

>>51648083
I thought it was intentional nigger speak.

>>51648037
>>51648083
top laal

>>51648085
WURBG

>>51647174
Johnny here actually and I just can't bring can't bring myself to proxy any cards. It just doesn't feel right to me.

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>>51648149

>>51647208
>>3 mana for instant speed Mana Crypt
>4 mana for instant speed Mana Vault or Sol Ring
>Can pay for X with artifacts like Winter Orb, Trinisphere, etc

>implying any of that is actually good
Using it to get mana artifacts especially mana vault is a waste. You only play mana vault because it can generate 3 mana for 1 if you absolutely need them paying 4 mana for it neglects it's prupose.
Your last point is somewhat decent but barely. It's nice to be able to grab them instantly but it's not very cost efficient in actually somewhat competetive metas its just not worth it.

>>51648276
>Competitive meta
Fuck right off

>>51648332
Even outside a competitive meta, he has a point. Burning something scalable like Whir of Invention for a mana rock is a total waste- it's the equivalent of casting a Chord to find a mana dork.

>>51648332
>hurr durr your kind of fun is wrong the right way to play is dumb big spells hurr durr
Neck yourself timmy

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>>51648345
Depends on the dork, if you have Umbral Mantle on the table Chording for a dork means infinite mana. Same thing with Whir, you can fish Basalt Monolith for infinite mana.

>>51648364
>defending competitive EDH

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>>51648276
>whir of invention
>basically a reshape that instead of requiring me to sac an artifact just needs an extra blue
very fun. very exciting shit. can't wait to run it in my Breya deck alongside its far better cousins.

>>51648417
Right, but there's an utter difference between "Tutoring for what is effectively a gamewinning combo piece" or "tutoring for mana".

>>51644596
Regal Behemoth doesn't double mana you fucking retard.

>>51648437
Hopefully he meant that, or he's thinking on a situation where he can retrieve Whir later with the mana from the rock. Both are doable.

>>51648448
Semantics.

>>51648448
>>51644596
>>51648467
wait shit. I was in threaded view and I clicked the wrong post.

Meant to talk shit to >>51645419

my bad friend. Saw the namefagging and assumed it was you being a dumbshit. Sincerest apologies.

Anyway.

>>51645419
Regal Behemoth doesn't double mana you fucking dumbshit.

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OK. I'm slowly upgrading the manabase for my Zedruu WUr deck. Which land should I rather buy?

I already have the shocklands, so the fetch can get me any color, but the Prairie can enable turn 1 R and turn 2 WW play.

Help a newbie out.

>>51648417
>trying to tell other people their fun is wrong
When playing magic I want a mental challange, crazy complicated stack interactions, I want to see powerful cards and have fun with friends who are into the same shit
3 out of those 4 things you usually don't get when playing against timmys creature based deck.
If you want casual fun it's alright I don't have a problem with that, I'm merely telling uou that whir of intervention isn't as gokd as you think.

>>51648422
Go ahead m8. I hope you have fun!

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>>51647069
>>51646982

Here's the pic of my crate.

And the way I deal with air bubbles after a fresh doublesleeve (I use matte dragon shields and kmc perfect fits) is by CAREFULLY compressing the deck with my hands.

VERY. CAREFULLY.

I have gorilla hands , so I can hold the entire deck between both of them, and slowly ( with pressure!) push out the air bubbles from the entire deck

>>51648602
Get the praerie first then the mire.
I don't get how thats even a question

>>51648602
Honestly, I'd recommend you pick up a Flooded Strand.

>>51648691
That's really neat! Did you build that?

>>51648716
Because I'm worried that the Prairie's inability to tap for colored mana on its own can be a real drawback.

>>51648728
Already got Flooded Strand and Windswept Heath.

>>51648691
Meant to reply to
>>51647107
As well


>>51648741
Christ, no.
It was my grandmother's, she saw the shitty cardboard box I was using before, and gave me her old crate as a gift.

Love you, grammy

>>51648768
I'd trim the heath. I'm not a fan of running off-color fetches if all you have is the shocks; once you have your Tundra and your Plateau and your Tropical Island start subbing in your one-color fetches.

If you've already got Strand, I'd say go for Prairie. Unless your mana base is all kinds of fucked up, you're not going to be stuck with Prairie only making colorless mana often enough to worry about it.

Is playing EDH online fun? There are a couple decks I want to try but they involve way too much shuffling for me to be arsed to play them with paper.

>>51648602
Filters are questionable in 3c+, if you start a hand with only islands and rugged prairie you can't use it where other duals would work.

What do you have that costs WW or RR?

>>51648001
Pyroblast, Red elemental blast, Dualcaster Mage and Fork all work to protect combos in monored.

>>51648787
Thanks.

I also run the Heath as a way fetch up Mistveil Plains, a key piece of my main engine, so it's useful beyond fetching me mana.

>>51648821
That's fair. I'd still advise Prairie over Mire.

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>>51648821
>running off-color fetches

>>51648857
They still fetch up my duals. I don't see a problem beyond a lot of shuffling.

>>51648857
Off-color fetches are fine if you have full shocks and duals.

>>51648857
Ban on cards with a background that doesn't match the commander's color identity WHEN?

How many basics do you run, /edhg/?

There's this guy with Back to Basics in my playgroup...

>>51648986
As many as possible. Basics and 20 cent dual lands are all you need most of the time.

>>51648937
I agree since i think it's bs that you can run off color fetches.
>>51648986
This and Blood Moon are the best EDH cards imo fuck greedy ass mana bases

What are some good budget lands for Vela?

>>51648986
12-16 in 2 color
9-15 in 3 color
As many as it takes to get up to 35-40 lands after utility/auto includes in 1 color

Never played 4 or 5 color decks.

>>51648937
If you can come up with a non-retarded solution on how to codify such rule, I'm all for it.

>>51649032
"as many as possible" is currently 10 for my 3-colored deck. Dammit.

>>51649080
Should be fine as long as you run rocks and dorks.

>>51649135
8 rocks and 2 fetches.

I'm probably too paranoid about not running enough basics.

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Hey soda-shop anon from last thread here.

If you ever get the chance guys, try this.

Tastes like legit biting into a juicy peach

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>>51649170
Here you go, I fixed it before it spills.

I thought you'd be more careful after what happened, anon.

>>51649192
so how is the equator this time of year?

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So I finally got around to update and changing things around in Slobad, and I wanted some CC.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/slobad-isnt-sobad/

I plan on adding Winter Orb, Tangle Wire, Blasting Station, and Kuldotha Forgemaster. What else should I look out for?

>>51649154
Yeah, you're probably good. It won't be fun, but it shouldn't totally clip your wings. Just kill the player who blows up your land, first.

Also, if your deck has white, run Land Tax

>>51649192
Your fingers are fat.

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>tfw your commander will never be printed in foil
>tfw you are trying to foil out your deck

Why Wotc, why?

They even reprinted it in C16 as a nonfoil. Just to remind me.

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>tfw Gix will never be printed as a creature

>>51649967
>yfw they print him as a legendary in Commander 2017

>>51649945
>foil out your deck
Why though?

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>>51650006

>>51650021
Y-you'd never understand!

>>51650050
>Spending more money to foil out a deck than needed to buy more decks
No, I will never understand
Now, excuse while I go back to masturbating to my Wurmcoil Engine masterpiece

>>51644848
>he got you to spend 12 mana to kill a 1 drop

>>51647237
I run this in abzan aggro where black is basically a splash. Fuck the haters

>>51646529
I saw a fucking hilarious deck where Tazri was the commander but all she ever tutored for was Zada. The rest of the deck was 5c combat tricks, token makers, and cantrips.

>>51645655
I use him in Braids, pretty good.

>>51644653
Planeshift Lairs ;_;

>>51650075
Fair point, but I'm only foiling out my favorite deck, and getting cheap foils for my other ones.

I can't stop throwing shitty cards to combo with isochron scepter + paradox engine in my deck, send help.

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>looking for custom art for commander cards
>find this

why do people make these

>>51644653
I don't think this really counts but Mirrodin swords.

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>>51650470
Autism

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>>51650470
No idea, are there even people who would use them?

>>51650470
who would actually play with these kinds of alters in public is the better question.

>>51650512
what the fuck am I looking at

>>51650470
Basic lands are virtually worthless (with exception of full art & foils), so they are perfect medium for practice.

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>>51650470
>When your opponent has all MLP edited lands

>>51650539
A friend of mine, who has no knowledge of MTG except for watching one game, made a custom mat

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>>51650546
>When the guy with the MLP playmat goes infinite turn 3

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>>51650517
>covering true beauty with moe garbage

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>>51650546

>lands

pleb

>>51650517

I would, but I'm terrible.

>>51646434
lol no

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>>51650611
This is fake, right?
Right?

>>51647237
They're godlike in 2 color but outside of that I usually pass on them, decent budget option though

>>51650653
I'm sorry, friend. They're real.

>>51647550
Varolz with death's shadow

>>51648417
>caring about how other people have fun
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>>51648857
I'm not shelling out $60 for verdant catacombs when I can pay $15 or less for polluted delta

>>51650470
>island
I don't understand

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>>51650663
>Godlike
They're better than land that always enter tapped with negligible or no effects, but they actually tend to get worse the better your mana base gets.

There are a few lands that are godlike. These are far from them. They're serviceable.

>>51650734

Should be swamp or mountains, for sure.

>>51650735
If you're gonna argue semantics fine, I was exaggerating but in 2 color having tons of duals that enter untapped is essential in an aggressive strategy with tough color requirements

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>>51650611
I now finally understand /k/'s rage

>>51650734
>>51650747
Well, she's an ice-themed character.

>>51644512
>Don't talk to me or my wife's husband ever again

>>51650517
Delete
DELETE
DELETE
DELELWRAERWE EWFAEWFSAD:FAEWLKW$E

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>>51650781
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>>51650755
>tough color requirements
>2 Colors
I think you might just have a bad mana base. Honestly, the first 4 cards you should put in a 2+ color deck is Command Tower, City of Brass, Mana Confluence and Reflecing Pool. After that you start looking at duals. But those 4 plus rocks should pretty much guarantee that you don't get color screwed.

As for arguing about semantics, please enjoy your stay in for chan dot gov

>>51647088
>>51647139
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/thunder-pussy/

any suggestions?

>>51650879
>rocks
>aggressive deck
I run all of those cards you mentioned and still use the additional dual because it's very important to be able to cast Mirri's guile into leonin relic warder consistantly

>>51651315
>>51651315
getcha new thread here

>>51650570
Kek I sleeved my stax deck with Rarity sleeves, everyone loses their shit.

>>51650781
I don't even like guns and this pisses me off. Like who gives a shit about some stupid pieces of cardboard getting ruined by ponyfags, this shit is actual history that's been ruined.