Killing Norin edition RESOURCES >Official Site: Contain

you forgot the fucking subject line you retard

>>51630266
Happens to the best of us. You could have made the thread yourself.

Anyways, extra turns are dumb and gay. So are mindslaver effects. It would be easier, and more fun, if the cards said "you win in an elaborate way, go jerk off for ten minutes while everyone finishes up".

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How would atraxa fare against these two?

>>51630300
Voice scares me

>>51630256
>Animar
Easily the best 'oops all permanents' commander around. Animar.dec is very straightforward, and very powerful.

>Riku
Basically a UG deck in playstyle, but splashing some red for some spells that are broken with it (read: combos). But you can also build her as a standard UG goodstuff value commander and he's fun.

>Maelstrom
"Oops all permanents" but with a dose of RNG. Can get very spicy if you run a lot of effects that return him to hand. A big, random, (sometimes) EXTREMELY powerful wrecking ball. Good shit.

>Surrak
Keep him in your pocket if some fag tries to Baral the table. Other than that, nothing too special here.

>Yasova
Voltron that works on a slightly different axis. Great colours to protect your voltron, too. Good shit if you're into this stuff.

>Intet
lul

My only advice for RUG is to try and keep it as non-UG as possible, cause you've probably played it before and its boring

From the last thread, can someone give me a quick overview of the RUG commanders? Wanna pick one up and brew something. I like doing stupid fun shit if that helps

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>>51630300
>>51630333
There's nothing frightening about the future of the human race, Anon

>>51630382
Thank you good man!

>>51630382
i own maelstrom and i like him a lot since he tends to play a little different depending on what you cascade into. it's never not exciting to cast him since you never know what you'll get.

he isn't really even that overpowered in casual games since he's very telegraphed about his wincons. if your table is smart about prioritizing threats then a maelstrom player will just be a fun archenemy to fight. in comparison someone like animar can easily just combo out and instawin when he gets into a good board position

>slapped by a Hellkite Tyrant
>With my Lattice out
>Guy drops Final Fortune for insta-win

Hoisted by mine own petard

>>51630300
>ecioV Voice
>is a skeleton with no legs
>BUWGGWUB casting cost is prohibitive
>8/8 of stats across two bodies is okay I guess
>foof your endstep is anti-synergy
>wings are only for intimidation, she is obviously a flighless bird

>Atraxa, Praetor's VoV 'srotearP ,aхartA
>is a creature, but isn't a valid target for many creature removal effects, pseudo-evasion
>still proliferates
>looks like two matadors standing back to back
>tail docking is gay, double tail docking loops back to being straight

Gotta give the edge to Atraxa, Praetor's VoV 'srotearP ,aхartA here fuck lamaj

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>>51630494
Your own what?

>>51630561
"hoist with his own petard" is a Shakespeare phrase you fucking mongoloid retard. It means to be undone by your own plan, or more precisely, to cause a bombmaker to be blown up by his own bomb. In that anon's story, he lost to his own Mycosynth Lattice, his petard in this case.

Learn to culture.

>>51630688
>reading shakespeare

Who is the real uncultured fuck here?

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>>51630688
>pe·tard
>/pəˈtärd/
>noun
>1. a small bomb made of a metal or wooden box filled with powder, used to blast down a door or to make a hole in a wall.

That's all you had to do anon. Shakespeare is only popular because he's canonical, don't be condescending. I'd be more impressed by a quality sci-fi reference, or some Kafka to be honest with you.

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Not sure what I was expecting

>>51630740
>>51630825
It's more of a common phrase than anything else, I've never read anything shakespeare and I knew of the phrase.

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>>51630899
>It's more of a common phrase than anything else, I've never read anything shakespeare and I knew of the phrase.
That's hilarious in more ways than you'll ever understand.

>>51630970
I wasn't the guy who used the phrase, if that is what you are implying.

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>>51630688

>claim to be cultured
>using a redundant pejorative like "mongoloid retard"

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shakespeare is for nerds, post spicy cards

>>51630986
No, I'm making a fancy art joke about the perpetuation of tropes and the ascent from modernity to post-modernity. But, that's a long stupid conversation for 3am when I'm drunk.

Now, how are the 4c precons for new players? If I were to build a deck to the same power level, what would it even look like?

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>>51631050
>shakespeare
>spicy tech
Can't we have two?

>>51631106
Their mana base is really a mess. Better off getting the 2013 or 2015 precons.

>>51631119
*both, fuck

>>51631128
That's what I told him. I straight up sent him a link to the Mizzix one on Amazon and hopefully he takes the bait. I'm worried he'll swing by walmart, snag ydris/breya and have no idea what the fuck he's looking at. I don't even know if I have the cards to help out the manabase. Maybe I could get him to build a 2c deck from it or something?

>>51631106
Oh, I actually assumed it was something along those lines.

As for the 4c precons, they are probably the best designed commander product so far, excluding the land bases. They are the same quality as the commander precons previously printed, which is a fucking joke considering the decks are 4 color.

Obviously, you will always get something better if you decide to make it yourself from scratch, but that will never change.

Derevi and food chain works well.

>>51631192
Okay, along those lines, what if I want to make something from scratch at the same power level as the 4c precons? I was thinking Lord of Tresserhorn doublestrike and zombie tribal, but even that might be too powerful without all the reanimator and discard I'm almost obligated to include.

>>51631215
holy fuck commander 2013 was a mistake

i wish they'd just errata that set as an unhinged style set

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IT BEGINS

>>51631238
>losing Jeleva
Oh please no, let me have my Grixis spellslinger pls

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>>51631238
They should just start printing card as good as those in more sets and noone can be upset right? ;^)

>>51631163
>>51631128
>>51631106
I'm had trouble with that myself. I took a lot of work to talk my bro out of picking up saskia. He eventually built a decent Shu Yun and is having fun with the pinpoint nuclear blast he's also gotten way better at threat assesment. He killed me first then the atraxa player. He had to fight mono-u but it was probably his best chance.

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>>51630688
You're a real melvin, anon.

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>>51630688
>fucking mongoloid retard

You know what we do to people with dirty mouths around these parts?

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Why is this so fun?

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>>51631395
Put your hands in the air.

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Best commander for creature based combos go.

>>51631453
tazri

but don't do that

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Not sure how well this is going to go but I'm going to try. I'll report back later, wish me luck.

>>51631698
Put in heroes blade to suit up the monkey

>>51631698
you dont

you put her in Alesha and call it a day

>>51631751
put in purphoros and everything else that triggers when creature tokens ETB

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>play dralnu for a while, pretty basic spellslinger/tokens build
>paradox engine, doomsday, lab man and more are coming in the mail tomorrow
>my group doesnt know

I expect to be looking for a new group by monday

>>51631698
>first strike, menace
Why not voltron her up? Toss it out early, play as much removal as you can, and lock down your opponent with some dirty artifact stax. She seems awesome in the sense that your opponent needs to expend 3 blockers to fully block all the damage. You just need things to make your stuff more intimidating. Double strike would work wonders here, maybe with warstorm surge, hellrider, and five alarm fire.

>>51631698
put her in alesha, play sigaurdas aid, give her infect and cranial plating, ????, profit

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Post commander + song combinations

>pic related
>Weird Science

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>>51631995
Money in the bank

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>>51630740
>implying
Knowing that Shakespeare wrote dense, pretentious shit for rich people means you're a plebeian.
Knowing that Shakespeare is unoriginal, pun-stuffed, crowd-pleasing entertainment means you're a step above -- what some could call "patrician," relatively speaking.

Knowing of Shakespeare's low-class appeal while being able to appreciate it along with his pacing, syntax, plotting, banter, and themes is apotheosis. Watching people of the first two attitudes fight is like watching ants fight from my perch atop a mountain. You are an infant to me.

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>>51631751

>>51632226
So you're calling me patrician because I recognized shakespeare as such? China, IL sucks

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reposting the best one

>>51632413
vraska is t h i c c

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>>51632367
I'm saying you're a "patrician," in that you are higher than plebeians who think Shakespeare is cultured but high class. But that in the context of "not being able to enjoy Shakespeare," your title is little better than theirs, and wanting compared to that of one who can enjoy it.
Sad, but true.

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>>51631995
"Wheels On The Dragon Go Round And Round"

>>51632226
I really wanted to call you a dick and a charlatan, but you aren't, your point is correct. There's a fundamental difference between understanding something on an intellectual level and liking certain types of canonical literature. I personally don't like to read Shakespeare, because it wasn't meant to be read. Listening and reading along is a completely different experience, and you can often infer through syntax some of the more archaic nuances.

That being said, it's boorish when people flex their derivative opinions in the hope that it will make them look more competent. I can't stand when people glorify canonical literature by virtue of it's standing without understanding its merit. Knowing of Shakespeare, reading Shakespeare and studying Shakespeare are three different things. To put it bluntly, check yo'self before you wreck yo'self, if your goal is to chirp nuanced subject matter.

>>51632413
M looks like it could be from new phyrexia, looks cool as all hell.

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>>51631995
https://youtu.be/_W-fIn2QZgg

>>51632711
https://youtu.be/nf0oXY4nDxE

>>51632899
https://youtu.be/LemG0cvc4oU

>>51631995
>anything pillow fort

https://youtu.be/yuxss1kBQWw

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/edhg/ has pretty good taste in music

>>51632711
I thought i was gonna see Queen's "Killer Queen". You got me good, anon.

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>>51631995
https://youtu.be/_EOWfvX2czw

>>51632494
Yall first year phil majors need to find somewhere else to jerk off

>>51631809
That sounds kind of awesome and I want to try it

Got a list?

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>>51631050
>>51631119
Best Wrath of God because of the Shakespeare quote.

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>>51631995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZZP3Cqi7Lk

>>51633400
I'm busy right now, but I'll have it posted by the end of the day at the latest.

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>>51631995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU

>>51633374
>Shakespeare
>phil

>>51630233
>Thread topic

What's so egregious about those effects compared to regular infinites? Unless you hyper competitive, in which case you're playing the wrong format shitlord, just fucking scoop when an infinite starts and start a new game.

>>51630233
So we're adding leddit, competitive edh at that, to the fucking OPs now but not the discord channel because "Discord is a circlejerk."

And the fuckwad forgets the title.

>>51632711
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mB0tP1I-14

>>51633302
Post list. I always like to see what others are doing with Ruby.

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>>51631995
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FmvU3urYQgI

>>51633602
Well, if the extra turns are for combo, then yeah, scoop. Most of the hate for them comes from people slapping them in their durdle decks. With a full hand, a new-ish pilot, and a complex game state; an extra turn can take a while.
It's the most literal "you can't play, only I'm playing" that exists in magic.

>>51633661
the cedh link is obviously taking the piss, m8. "Oloro Stax Netdecks" not obvious enough?

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>>51630233
> there is a "competitive edh" subreddit

>>51632282
Underrated post

>>51634041
I wish there was a competitive version of edhrec where it only collects stats from decks which are built by people who know what the hell they're doing.

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>>51630233
>Reddit in the OP pasta
That's new.

>>51634256
>>51634041

>>51633718

>>51633718
Taking the piss can and will morph into something else, anon. Do you not remember the Serra Ascendant/Mental Misstep debacle?

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In which situations would you run Mikokoro over Wreckage? I run Wreckage and I'm not sure buying Mikokoro is worth the money.

I need a land that draws cards.

Do I get grouphug friend points for Mikokoro or do I get screwed by their extra cards?

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>>51631995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU_ggFovJNo

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>>51634341
>the Serra Ascendant/Mental Misstep debacle
Go on...

>>51634397
For me, Wreckage's Hellbent restriction makes it a pretty awful choice for any deck that wants to have a lot of cards in hand more or less consistently. I only run SGW in my Boros decks, which need the draw and can find themselves without cards pretty easily.
>Do I get grouphug friend points for Mikokoro or do I get screwed by their extra cards?
Personally, I would rather have a full hand of cards plus one rather than one card while everybody else (presumably) has more.

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>>51631995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgcc5V9Hu3g

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRJUvIgQtak

>>51634397
I play seagate in my omnath of rage because it frequently goes hellbent. Most opponents dont care that you're giving them cards and will use them to kill you if you're threatening. you need to lay low if youre gunna use mikokoro.

>>51634397
Use geir reach Sanctum.

>>51634442
>Run colorless deck
>Run all the utility lands I could ever want
I have never been filled with greater happiness

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>>51634618
The main purpose is drawing fuel for Solitary Confinement, so I can't include a looting land.

This also means that the hellbent drawback of Sea Gate Wreckage is not as serious.

>>51634573
>>51634442
Now I'm even more conflicted about this

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>>51631995
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-jyRVt5npy0

>>51634672
If you're using it for Solitary Confinement, definitely use SWG. People will know what's up after you pull it off and will use their Mikokoro cards to remove that shit.

>>51634618
The sanitarium is a looting land, not a drawing land.

>>51634680
This is great.

>>51634711
That makes sense, thanks anon.

I was thinking about Mikokoro just to have a small grouphug element, but my deck is probably too trollish for that to work.

>>51634672
Use seagate then, I have a player in my group that used this card and greater auramancy and he cant play that deck anymore because he couldnt keep up with the early game hate.
Think about it like this like a 1v1, in a 4 player game your "opponent" is getting a free ancestral vision and you cant even draw a card to keep them off of you, where with wreckage you're competing against half the card draw so you can actually benefit from the protection.

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>>51631995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0TzUNti3rY

Let's say I'm not made of money, so I can't run fetches. What's the best manabase upgrades to put into the Yidris precon?

On another note, what's the best lifegain for that deck? I run Yidrazi and already have Tomb of the Spirit Dragon.

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>>51635009

Best lifegain for Yidris?

>>51635009
Pain Lands are never a bad thing when you start with a 40 life total. Fast lands and man lands might be good too. Every Yidris player I've seen so faar just does combo storm and most of their mana comes from shit like Dark Ritual and Seething Song so that's also a route.

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>>51631698
>>51631751
>>51631788
>>51631852
Here she is finally I've been working on it for a while. Let me know what you think. The list:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/swinging-for-the-fences-1/

>>51633718
You're missing the point. The resources section is for new people so OP is actively promoting shitty resources for a bad joke.

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>>51634157
>bitches about people not knowing what they're doing
>has to rely on other people to build his deck for him

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Can anyone here give me tips for a Mono green snake tribal with Sakiko, Mother of Summer at the head. Never made a mono green deck before and just want general green tips.

>>51635117
>delicious brown
Kari is cute. CUTE!

>>51635167
I don't see the probem. Obviously people who playtested a deck and had successes with it are a more reliable resource than me, who is just trying to build the deck.

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Someone was talking about Nath a couple of threads ago, got me curious. Thoughts? Too much discard, not enough elves? Any staples I'm missing? Cuts I should make?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/08-02-17-nath/

>>51635230
Shes 15 you pedo

>>51635334
If she's old enough to lead a pirate fleet, she's old enough for the cock.

>>51630382

Riku is also the resident RUG Spell slinger commander. That's how I've always built him, much to my tables chagrin.

>>51635334
1) Show your work
2) No, she's a drawing

>>51635391
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/skies-over-ghirapur-2017-01-11

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>>51633400
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/tapcaster-mage-3/

here you are, not super competitive, but pretty fun. obviously a lot of upgrades can be made. dralnu is nice because you can build him cheap, but upgrade over time like i have been doing with the foils.
This deck wins 95% of games by casting rise from the tides for 12+, at least 2 or 3 times.

Are there any other combos that infinitely kill non-indestructible creatures besides "Basilisk collar+Goblin Sniper"

>>51635414
Eh, fine. I'd wait three years.

>>51635421
triskelion and walking balista with other enablers, prodigal pyromancer/sorcerer does it slowly but will go to town if you have jeskai ascendancy or paradox engine.

>>51635421
any deathtouch creature + chandra's ignition

>>51634157
Is it really that hard to pick out what's good stuff, what synergizes well, and what's jank on edhrec pages? Fucking read a primer if it's that hard to understand.

>>51635508
chandras ignition is the best boardwipe in the game
>swinging in with a pumped up prowess creature after burning their entire board away that got bigger because of chandras ignition

>>51631852
I was going to brew a her as a purphoros with a backup voltron strat but then I remembered how fucking stupid it is to use a 1 power commander as a voltron.

>>51635508
What about touch of moonglove+ignition?

>>51635565
that's actually pretty cool if there is a lot of creatures on board.

>>51635565
Sigaurdas aid+ basilisk collar in response to your own ignition to trigger prowess

>>51635117
I just realized Kiki-Jiki isn't going to do much since I mostly have legendary creatures. Is there anything better than I can replace him with? I am thinking one of the $15-$20 swords to put on Kari

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>>51631995
Hey, don't take my name!

>>51631453

Too vague, but there's Azami, Animar, and saffi eriksdotter immediately coming to mind

>>51635180
dont, build seshiro

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>>51634622

Be sure to run pic related to not get btfo by some kid with a daretti precon casting ruination. This is seriously becoming one of my favourite tech cards, has so much utility for my different edh decks.

>>51635117
>no aggravated assault + sword of feast and famine combo

It's like you don't want an army of Ragavan's with mirror gallery out.

Have we solved the issue of the first player out having to passively watch the game for the next X hours?

what board protection options are there for mono blue? use boomerang for activated abilities?

>>51636313
Yeah just don't be a faggot.

>>51636227
Wow that's really cool, I'm going to add that in. I kind of shied away from aggravated assault when I saw it was $10 but that's pretty good. I'm also trying to fit in argentum armor

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[screams externally]

>>51636419
do sarkhan unbroken or sidisi brood tyrant next, mirror man

>>51636343
"I'm not going to kill you just because it's too early" sounds like faggotry to ne.

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>>51636506
>Sarkhan is a tranny now
Something something fucking SJWS

>>51636313
What's the problem? If you lose first you just wait for the next game.

Put a timer on your games if your games are going on for over an hour. My play group just sets 60-90 minute timers.

>>51635307
I wouldn't run megrim or lili's caress. They don't do shit unless you have multiple discard enablers active at once.

Add necrogen mists.

Discard is a means for resource denial and to advantage for your self through bonus tokens or card draw.

>>51636313
Our playgroup avoids playing effects that cause these scenarios in the first place.

Like Sneak Attacking a guy with an annihilator on turn 3-4 effectively removes them from the game and forces him to watch the rest of the table duke it out.

If I control magic an opponent's commander, does it apply commander damage when it deals combat damage? Can I kill a player via commander damage of his own commander?

>>51636640
Long answer short: Yes, you can. This is why some people really like Karona

>>51636640
You absolutely can. Commander damage is also tracked per creature, so you'll need to connect a few times (that is, if they've already taken 10 damage from your commander, doing 11 with theirs won't kill them; it has to be 21 combat damage from the same Commander).

>>51636525
Then quickly win the game without being a durdly faggot, faggot.

>>51636640
Yes.

I did that to a prossh player once.

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>>51636506
Bonus Sidisi just because look at this shit

>>51636786
thats a metal as fuck hat

>Alesha Oops (almost) All Permanents
Can it be done? Minimizing noncreature spells and going all-in on graveyard recursion and ETB triggers for whatever removal you need

>>51634735
Just as good. No one will complain.

>>51636313
The answer is two fold, first you (and your group) have to have decks that actually do something. If you all play control and have a low count of win cons, it's nobodies fault but yours that games last for years and if your the first to go your going to be waiting a while.

Second off is that people tend to bitch about a lot of the good ways to win the game quickly: infinite combos, craterhoof, infect, cyclonic rift, whatever. If it actually ends the game people tend to say it's not in the spirit of EDH or some horseshit. Not having games last longer than an hour doesn't mean you aren't playing EDH, it just means you get to play more games of it.

>>51636989
Then his solitary confinement runs out of cards to fuel it and it just increases his opponents hand quality.

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Would I be gay for building Baral?

Also image flip guy pls do Baral

>>51637102
You would be a hero
>casting timewalk and copying the shit out of it

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>>51637102
Not that anon but here is my attempt, here the site so you could do yourself
http://imageflip.net

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>>51637102
It's fucking go time!

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>>51637172
>>51637176
He looks like that one lizard man from dark souls kek

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THICC

>>51637172
>>51637176
fucking kek

>>51637166
timewalk banned

>>51637220
>tree trunk dick
im scared

>>51637221
Not that one, I mean timewalk effects like part the waterveil

>>51637228
Swiggity swooty
He's comin' for yo' booty

>>51637244
Oh true.

>>51636936
p-pls

>>51637271
Your biggest problem is going to be a lack of card draw.

>>51637279
Even in black? Also I'm not 100% hardline on all permanents, I'd include color staples where necessary (Arena, Wheel Wrath and the like) but keep it to a minimum

>>51637271
It's EDH of course it can be done. If you do some research and make sure you have removal, draw power, hate, win conditions, etc it sounds possible. It won't be amazing, but who cares. Just throw a list together on tappedout and people might give you some advice on cuts/additions

>>51637298
arena is a permanent. So is skullclamp, necropotence etc.

Draw won't be a problem in black.

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More like Bearador, amirite?

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Which Anthem /tg/?

>>51637447
Beastmasters, easy.

>>51637447
Beastmaster all day erry day

>>51637423
I didn't think so. Removal is going to be interesting with a heavy reliance on ETBs but it should be fun with my group

>>51637271
get ready to get fucked by grave hate

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>>51637298
>>51637423

For alesha, you can also take your pick of black creatures that you can reanimate. Disciple of bolas, phyrexian rager, vulturous aven and what I think is quite spicy, pic related.

>>51637447
How is that a question? Beastmaster.

Kaysa and Meng Huo cost too much and are way too vulnerable, Paragon has some uses but there's less vulnerable Trample enablers, and Gaea's is just okay.

>>51637482
>implying grave hate is a thing when I'm not there

There's a reason the Meren player usually wins when I'm not playing that night. My group is bad but they're fun to play with

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>>51637437
>two bears
Jesus how horrifying, but I think asorKKrosa can handle it.

>>51637486
a friend of mine plays this in Meren.

Good way to fill up your yard, and later when you want to cycle your hand for new cards you just reanimate it again.

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>>51633558
http://tr-8r.com/

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>>51637502
Shit, that one's pretty cool.

I'll bring redreH hth Herder so we can really even the odds

>>51637499
Beastmaster has a fat target on its head.
The creatures can attack when needed.
Gaea is less vulnerable.

>>51637553
>The creatures can attack when needed
That is a very small boon, considering as creatures they are horribly overcosted.

It's also MASSIVELY outweighed by their vulnerability compared to non-creature Anthems.

>>51637553
>Beastmaster has a fat target on its head.
That's why you don't play Beastmaster until you have 5 creatures to swing with. Every turn it manages to stay on the board is just gravy.

>>51637553
Usually if I'm dropping Beastmaster, it's the same turn it comes online, and if someone has an answer, they have until combat's over to deal with it. If they don't, the game is over then and there.

I'd hardly call that vulnerable if you play it right.

>>51637553
Don't listen to them

>>51637564
>>51637596
>>51637616
>playing Beastmaster at instant speed

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>>51637703
Have a lot of combat phases on other people's turns, do you?

>>51637723
Play at control player's endstep when they finally tap out.

>>51637703
Who said anything about playing it at instant speed?

You play it in your precombat main phase the turn you're swinging for the fences. You swing with 5+ creatures, it's immediately online, and they're in for a world of hurt. If they don't have the removal in hand -right then- you get huge value. Every turn it's alive beyond that is gravy.

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>>51637723
Gravitals pls go

If you were to play Mark Rosewater in a game of EDH, what deck would you bring and how would you want to finish him off?

I would want to burn him out with one of the various Bee Sting cards.

>>51637833
Killing him by storming off with Mind's Desire.

>>51637833
he already doesnt like commander, so just playing would be a problem

>>51637833
>how would you want to finish him off?
execution style

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My playgroup is currently all running blue in their favored decks, what cards run well with this guy?

>>51637833
Something involving a Mindslaver lock.

>>51637984
swords of all kinds

>>51637984
You could voltron him up with nice auras and/or equipment, or uncounterable hexproof tribal.

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>>51631995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXzMD065HEk

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Do the benefits of Reality Shift outweigh the downsides? I think it's pretty good if the deck you're playing against doesn't have a lot of creatures, or if they rely on ETB effects.

>>51638085
>exile target bomb from the game in blue and maybe fuck over a instant or sorcery
Sounds pretty good.

>>51638085
This is fun to cast on someone's upkeep when they've just resolved a Vampiric Tutor

>>51638085
2 mana exile is always worth it. They still have to pay the mana cost if they want it anyway.

>>51638085
Oh, it's hot fire. Absolute worst case scenario, you turned their big beater that was scary enough to use removal on, into an Akroma's Memorial or something if they have a blink.

The majority of the time it's gonna be something worse than what you hit, stuck as a 2/2, or something with an ETB that won't work because lolmanifest.

>>51638085
First three times I cast this on my friend, I manifested his Force of Will.

>>51634672
Run Land Tax and Weathered Wayfarer.

>>51638085
I mean, what. You get rid of a major threat and since potentially fuck over the ETB effect of another?

>>51631215
How? It doesn't have any synergy with her

>>51638382
You should just avoid commenting on things until you learn MtG.

>>51638396
Not that anon, but doesn't food chain give mana for the coverted mana cost? Paying 4 to get 3 wouldn't net infinite mana.

>>51638382
>derevi and food chain have no synergy
holy fuck I've never seen someone so retarded.

>>51638396
How about you do that? Tell me exactly how this works. What does Food Chain do? Have you read the card?

>>51638445
its mana for cmc plus 1. which then lets you cast derevi infinite times using her activated ability. one of her abilities is that when she enters she can tap or untap a permanent. ya baka.

>>51638477
Except Food Chain makes the mana of all one color.

>>51638477
oh shit wait I'm the baka, its mana of one color. so you'd need something that lets you use mana as though it were of any color. after that you're golden.

>>51638487
If only you could activate food chain multiple times and cycle through sacrificing it for a different color each time

>>51638487
>>51638498
You're also forgetting that you can't even use the mana from Food Chain for Derevi's ability, which was my original point

>>51638500
Also that.

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Hmmmm......

>>51638530
Now that is a valid point.

>>51638543
>look guise i posted it again

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>>51638549
I honestly wasn't aware, I only browse these threads on rare occasion.

Exile Eternal Scourge with Food Chain. Cast it again. Produce 100,000,000 of each color of W, U an G.
Play Derevi
Exile her for Food Chain
Repeat infinitely untapping everything and building up even more mana

>>51638594
If you already have infinite mana, what's the point?

>>51638545
She can be used as a mana bank for other creatures sort of, but infinites require pretty much 2 of those lands that tap for 2 mana and a Panharmonicon.

>>51638594
I like the Tazri deck that does this better.

>>51638594
Why food chain? How about a wincon, like Altar of Dementia or Blasting Station?

>>51638685
Because the retarded discussion is about how Derevi and Food Chain are a bad combo for some reason. Tazri and Pross work with Food Chain far better, but it's not like she has godawful synergy with it.

>>51638085
To echo everyone else here, yes, it's great removal. most edh decks are only 25-45% creatures, and even if the manifested card is a creature, if you used the card right, they probably would rather have had whatever you got rid of. It's not without the potential for backfire, but your odds are good.

>>51638722
If you have to put in entirely different cards to ACTUALLY combo with Food Chain, and then pour that mana into Derevi, she absolutely has godawful synergy with it.

>>51638722
Others already realised that Derevi didn't combo with Food Chain, why can't you?

>>51638594
This seems like a waste of everyone's time

>>51638756
You know that's how tazri works, right?

>>51639022
So, here's the thing.

1) Tazri is in 5 colors, giving you access to every single 1-drop mana dork to curve out with that combo ASAP.

2) The Food Chain combo itself gives you infinite mana that you can only spend on creatures. Assuming all you have is FC + Griffin/Scourge and your Commander, Derevi can generate infinite 'normal' mana, but you need a FOURTH piece to win. That's an awful lot of moving parts that do jack shit on their own, and if your deck is focused on that combo... it's bad.

3) Tazri wins with just that combo, because she can tutor up your win-con, and then trigger it to win.

If you just jam Food Chain into Derevi, it's gonna be worthless 99% of the time. The component pieces aren't useful alone, and there's only a handful of ways for you to funnel that mana into a game-winning play in her colors. And if you specifically build around that combo, you're running a less reliable, more easily disrupted version of FCT.

Who of the UG Elf Legends should lead the UG elfball deck, and what aspect of blue should I capitalize on most to make its inclusion worth it?

>>51638907
Because I got two dubs in a row on this subject, therefore I win

>>51639087
Probably Edric? He'll turn your little dudes into card advantage monsters. Ezuri could work too, but would be entirely different, wanting to put a big boost on something like Silhana Ledgewalker rather than the normal 'elfball' strat. Momir's good, but possibly slow.

Rashmi wouldn't really synergize well.

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Who needs swords?
I got swords!

>>51639088
3 in a row now.

>>51639072
The original fucking argument was that Derevi had no synergy with Food Chain. It's not optimal for either, but it works.

>>51639124
She doesn't. She has no more synergy with it than any other commander. If your 'synergy' with it is "I can use Derevi to convert the infinite creatures-only mana into infinite whatever-mana, which I can then pour into the actual win-con", then she doesn't have synergy with the fucking card.

>>51639138
It's suboptimal, but it's still synergy. The original argument was "none." The exact words, pal.

>>51639157
And I'm saying there's none. If you have to jump through fifteen fucking loops to kinda sorta maybe get a little value perhaps, then the synergy isn't there.

>>51639176
I think you might be autistic, or English isn't your first language, buddy. The keyword is "none." Nothing. 0. 0 synergy would be stuff like throwing RiP in your reanimator or something like that. It works, it's a shit use of both, but it at least works.

>>51639119
The symmetry of his ability is kinda off putting to me. Is giving your opponents card draw worth it? Granted, giving them inventive to not attack me is good, but if it helps someone combo off faster, it makes no odds.

>>51639240
Here's the thing about symmetrical effects in Magic:

They never are. Your deck is built to exploit that 'symmetrical' effect; their decks aren't.

>>51639240
>Edric
>Elfball

Edric is basically, "attack with unblockable dude. draw into answer or turn skip" repeat. Edric will get you slaughtered by anyone that's good, because of that ridiculous consistency. And to be honest? It's a boring deck to play.

I'd rather go with Momir if you have to go UG Elfball. Edric is asking to get your shit handed to you way harder than Momir.

>>51639240
How tuned edric drcks work is thst play lots of cheap flying dweebs and time magic, swing, draw a bunch of cards, take an extra turn, and repeat until people are dead ot you have a million cards. Your deck is built around not only getting the most draws with tons of small evasive creatures, but also taking turns to get more draws than the opponents.

If you want somethibg like Edric thats a weaker but does a similat thyg, Tymna is a good WB card (better than ravos imo) that is built around in a similar way, and can even just be made into diet edric with kydele or thrasios.

>>51639337
Aalso necer thought about 8t but with extra combat phade abilities you can use in the main phase 2, you can use thosr in additional extra turns if you want to get more draws and lkke kill yourself using tymna with kraum as a free evasive dude in the command zone ti trigger her or ludevic who nets an extra draw during each extra turn (doesnt work with extra combats hough). Never seen it but its an idea.

>>51637831
Underrated post

>>51630289
Play blue, kill them before they can go off, play hate, or just outadvantage them so massively that non-infinite turns aren't enough.

I'm not every deck is Edric which does everything.

>>51639123
Do kami of the crescent moon please

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can you guys help me trim down couple of cards from my Mayael deck?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mayaels-petting-zoo-3/

no sol ring as it's banned in my playgroup

>>51639527
>no sol ring as it's banned in my playgroup

Scrubs

>>51639570
when a group power level gets high enough, sol ring will basically just end the game right there

although if you go even higher power level than that then everyone will be dropping mana crypts and mana vaults all over the place and it won't matter as much since everyone intends to win at turn 3 but at that point everyone loses anyway

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>>51639647
Yes... Yes! This is REAL Magic!

>>51639647
>since everyone intends to win at turn 3 but at that point everyone loses anyway

t. Justin Trudeau

>>51639701
oh boy i cant wait to see whose doomsday will resolve first oh boy oh boy so exciting

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>>51639442
What the hell have I even made?

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>>51639714

>>51639719
HAHAHA

d-do it the other way too!

>>51639714
Not everyone has the same opinion of what is fun and what isn't, my playgroup avoids all combo, but don't crack down on those who do.

We also run all the "fast mana" there is, but we still have fun, even if we can win turn 3 once in a blue moon.

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>>51639719
>Twice the blue butt
delete this
>Toshiro Umezawazawazawazawazawa

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>>51639736
Here you go

>>51639746
As for me I like tuning a deck to its best which means the others in my playgroup do as well. It's an interesting exercise trying to make the best version of an oddball strategy which will naturally include any broken anything I can use.

>>51639784
sadly that often ends up being

>ok heres my funny grixis marchesa steal and sac deck
>it also has a doomsday pile and a bunch of tutors for it because thats the easiest way to make it better

>>51639800
There's no problem with that. It's 99 cards. Contrary to popular belief actual "competitive" games don't actually end on turn 3 or 4 that often and do actually have to do things, barring some all in decks like Jeleva or something. Sometimes cards besides doomsday have to do things. It's interesting to figure out cards are the best for me.

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>>51639829
>Most "competitive" games don't end on turn 3-4
Untrue, sorry. The best decks can win on turn 3-4 through interaction.

T. Tazri Food Chain Player.

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>tfw you cost so much mana you don't even get a name

>>51639923
I'm not sure if you're being intentionally pedantic or what but I think the intention was pretty obviously that they don't "always" end the game on turn 3-4 and not that they literally never do. I'd like to assume you aren't being that intentionally dense so I'm at a loss for another explanation. I've seen Tazri almost win on turn 2.

>>51639926
>01/01
shit creature wouldn't play

>>51639967
B-but erything
You can kill someone in 210 turns for only 17 mana

>>51639990
GNIHTYREVERYTHING
EVERYTHINGNIHTYREVE
YOUM'RAKUL, IM'RAKUL, WE ALL M'RAKUL FOR EMRAKUL

>>51639990
It's an 11/11!

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>>51639923
Say that to my face not online and see what happens.

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>>51640025
D͖̟ͪ͗ͪ͋ͫ̅̎̚͜͡Ĭ̸̤̫̙ͧ̀ͨͅD͓̗̹̜͕̝̭̠͆͊̀̀ ̵̸̟̗͗ͩ̍S̭͍͕͕̰͖̅̀̕O͓ͤ̉̎ͧ͞M̭̰̣͉ͪ̈̽̒ͤͬE͎̜ͨ̃ͦ́ͫ̋̋͊͞Ǫ̹̥̺̬̑̎ͪͨ̚͜N̴̤̺̭ͫ͋Ë̻̬͔̣̗̰͕ͧ̀̽̈́̓̿ͅ ̼͉̏̈́͞S̭̪̰̝̙͓͎ͭ̈́̃͆ͩ͐ͅA͇͎̦̳͒̍͆́͜ͅŸ̱͚̣̄̄ ̡̹͈͕͋̿͛ͮ̇̂̐̓͊Ȩ̝̺̌͆̏̒̊͒M̴̠̩̝̆́͂ͧ̄̔̂ͫR̶͔̺͍̯̃ͫ̈͌͑̆͟A̧̜̮̩̔͗̆̆K̸̵̥̙͔ͨ̔͑ͤ̀̿ͨ͘Û̙̳̜̌͑ͦͭ̾ͪ͞L̖̺͒̐ͧ̾ͪͪ͘?̢̻ͣͮͮͤ̒̂ͨ̕

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>>51640079

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Post cards that make you irrationally happy

I'm happy I don't need the judge promo to have this pretty art :)

>>51640120
Someone do a scarred puma variation

>>51640141
>tfw bought the judge promo a couple months before C16
I regret nothing

>>51639952
High tier commander games are a rush to assemble your combo. That most often happens between turns 2 and 4. Yes, there are outliers, but most games end that quickly. They win through interaction, with a handful of redundant parts in case you try and strip their hand.

They do end that quickly, "that often". It's not an exaggeration

>>51640120
My ears hurt just from looking at a picture of him.

>>51640192
Do you actually not regret it?

And how much was it?

>>51640254
Can you hear his gay voice convincing you to buy playsets of bad cards for bad commanders? It sounds just. Like. This.

>>51640259
No, I definitely don't regret it. That art in foil is fucking beautiful. I picked it up for $35, which last I checked they're still going for.

>>51640284
Oh fuck I actually cringed

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>>51639923
>>51639647

"""Competitive commander"""

nothing wrong with building and playing competitively, but to play in such a way where winning is PRIORITY #1 in a format built to be "Magic: the mario partying" with tuned to fuck combo decks is pretty fucking stupid.

>>51639527
please help

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>>51640343
kill yourself sheldon :^)

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>>51640151

>>51639226
By this logic blue mana battery is synergistic with each commander, since it stores mana and it works how it's supposed to.

>>51640141
I bought the judge promo for 25€ after the release of c16 to replace my scifiwarrior Hanna. I fucking love the foiling. I would've got the c16 one if it was shiny.
Besides, the shooting star is prettier than that shield, not to mention it doesn't have that goddamn ugly blip at the bottom.

>>51630890
A (You), so here, have it.

>>51639088
>>51639124
Good luck trying to pass that in your group. "I'm going infinite with Food Chain and Derevi!"
"Yeah, it doesn't work that way."
"F-FUCK YOU! I GOT REPEATING DIGITS IN ANONYMOUS WEBSITE SO IT WORKS LIKE THAT!"

i have a question guys. im looking at buying into commander and im wondering if i can play tournaments with older commander decks? or do i have to stick to the 2016 ones?

>>51640994
commander doesn't have tournaments
yes the old decks are still legal to play

>>51640994
>>51641027
They have commander casual tournaments at some places, my LGS holds them every friday as long as at least 4 people show up

>>51641027
>>51641063
another question about the commander that comes with pre made decks? why are they so fucking huge, how am i supposed to sleeve that?

>>51641075
They come in two printings, the larger ones and a regular sized one you can sleeve in a normal sleeve. You can get oversized sleeves for the larger ones though if you want.

why wouldn't derevi combo with food chain?

>exile derevi, gain 4 mana
>put er in the command zone
>put derevi on the battlefield from the command zone, pay 4 mana, untap a land with etb
>exile derevi again, gain another 4 mana,
>put derevi on the battlefield etc. untap another land with etb

isn't that infinite mana?

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>>51636313
>playgroup has a Johnny combofaggot
>guy always brings shit that goes off T4/5
>everytime we 'good job bruh' him and the three of us play on
>starts to get butthurt he has to wait so long all the time

is there any reason not to use the over sized ones these days now that you can't be made to shuffle it into your deck?

>>51641122
Maybe because having to carry around a giant fucking card is a pain in the ass?

>>51641117
ah oops didn't remember the "only creature spells" clause, also you have to choose what color of mana, my bad

>>51641122
>>51641131
why do they even bother with the oversized cards?

>>51641122
I like being able to keep my commander in the same box as my deck, but other than that, not really.

>>51641143
Good question.

>>51641117
Because food chain says "use this mana only to cast creature spells" and the 4 mana thing is an ability and not casting. If it said "use this mana to cast creatures or in abilites of creatures" it would work. If you have a land that taps for 2 different colours.

I need some cards to help deal with early aggro in mono-blue, preferably being useful at most stages of the game. I'm thinking about just throwing in a bunch of defenders like Fog Bank.

>>51641252
I happen to like cheap single target bounce spells. Most notable and obvious in the "good early and late" camp would be Into the Roil. Aetherize and Wash Out are also useful off the top of my head. I personally wouldn't play defenders since they are a little too do-nothing.

>>51641300
>>51641252
Also maybe it's a little too late at 5 mana to disturb "early aggro" but Evacuation is pretty powerful too.

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>>51641787

...or Eternal Masters?

>>51641787
Maelstrom Wand and rereerer both look like they're from kamigawa

>>51641806

true. I actually looked the artist up and I'm surprised he didn't draw a lot of things from kamigawa

Migrate at your own pace lads

>>51641924

>>51639770
that is not bad.

>>51637833
Mono-blue stax that ends up decking him by taking a mulligan to 6, no other wincon.