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What's your opinion of the official Pathfinder Kitsunes?

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What is your opinion on allowing 3.5e material in Pathfinder?

>>51639431
I like 'em. That ones actually a bit of a cutie.

They're a welcome change from weebsune and augunasune.

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>>51639400
>Is your character a real villain? Have they ever caught a good guy, like a real paladin? Have they ever rolled a Disguise check?

Yes to all of those things. Niall is a Dual Channeler Soul Weaver who just recently achieved Lichdom. He's the real deal, and will rule Talingarde soon.

>>51639434
I personally loathe 3.5 players. They always get a bunch of rules wrong and insist they're right. It really aggravates me.

>>51639463
Anon. Augunasune are the official Pathfinder kitsune.

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So who else is going to use the Totem Spiritualist to play a good necrodruid that just sees death as a part of the cycle?

>>51639431
They need to be removed from the game and removed from the thread.

>>51639434
>What is your opinion on allowing 3.5e material in Pathfinder?

The answer, as always with this sort of question, is: it depends.

>>51639469
No, his are worse.

Normal PF kitsune are furry in the least offensive way possible. Augunas' kitsune are furry in that way that the media sees furries as.

>>51639491

I'm quite alright with Pathfinder Kitsune, honestly.

They've got a furry fox form and a normal human form, so at the very least you've got some kink in your midnight dalliances if you feel like it (unlike a "proper" Kitsune.)

Speaking of Kitsune, I'm kind of butthurt Nioh doesn't actually have Kitsune in it.

>>51639467
Oh it's YOU.

Tell me of your experiences with 3.5e players.

>>51639486
In this case, I've got some reasonable conversions of 3.5e material that I am thinking of allowing.

>>51639478
>DHB is a massive fucking weeb
Rate his taste

>>51639530
doesn't like exactly what I like/10

>>51639530

Looks pretty fucking weeb to me.

I mean, look at that list of anime, none of it is even remotely mainstream!

>>51639530
put Boku no Pico in and you didn't notice/666

>>51639530
>snuck in Boku no Pico/10

>>51639530
Too big of a list, we'd need more specifics, like his 3x3 to really tell.

>>51639491
>>51639491
>furry in that way that the media sees furries as.
Like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVUY3Qf64Gs

>>51639530
>forgot Millennium Actress/10

>>51639400
>Is your character a real villain?
She's a wraith who's of the opinion that undeath is actually radical as fuck so anyone who's not dead is obviously missing out
I think she'd technically count as being chaotic good despite being a mass murderer because she wants to help everyone.

>>51639558
>>51639560
>not watching boku no pico

>>51639530
>Calling people weebs on 4chan

You do realize where you are, right?

Weeaboo is a trash-tier meme manufactured by Reddit.

>>51639530
All anime is trash

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>>51639655
>Weeaboo is a trash-tier meme manufactured by Reddit.
It actually comes from a /b/ wordfilter for wapanese implemented by >who? aeons before reddit existed as a website

>>51639655
>You do realize where you are, right?

I don't even know anymore, anon. We had a guy last thread who hasn't even seen Dragonball.

>>51639682
To be honest a lot of boards haven't watched shit for anime and will flip shit about using anime reaction pictures
That's when I flood them with smug anime girls

>>51639669
Urban myth.

4chan's an image board designed for discussion about anime and it always has been.

Weeaboo is a Reddit-made term designed to sow discord in 4chan's community and draw away a portion of its user-base, by creating a toxic reaction to everything Japanese in the minds of most anons.

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>>51639708
Legitimately can't tell if this is ironic anymore
Nobody said 4chan wasn't a weeb board, but that doesn't mean that moot's wordfilters are somehow a myth

>>51639720
Stop using Reddit memes.

4chan is an image board made for the appreciation and discussion of anime and Japanese culture.
'Weeaboo' and 'weeb' are derogatory terms invented by Reddit and shoved in the community subconsciousness, just like how the Jews invented the Holocaust.

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>>51639753
...see I think you're being ironic but I invoke Poe's Law.

>>51639689

Anon, I haven't seen shit for anime but I love the reaction images.

>>51639669
>It actually comes from a /b/ wordfilter for wapanese implemented by >who? aeons before reddit existed as a website

simpler, better times

>>51639766
And now you're posting using Reddit images.

Why are you even on 4chan?

>>51639720

Why is a small child clinging to Aqua's leg?

>>51639779
puddi puddi puddi

>>51639787
Watch the latest episode

Lads, let me redirect this conversation to something more pertinent to Pathfinder.

Using the prices under Trade Goods, what resource would you want to deal in the most if a Merchant campaign cropped up? Now, I don't necessarily mean the most expensive, but rather the one you'd have the most fun handling!

>>51639780
That particular version of bait was created in an /a/ thread.

>>51639807
Life.

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>>51639529
It's hard to remember it all. I've stuffed the experiences in the bad place of my mind. Let's see...

>Applicant posting long rants about how OP house rules are because xyz 3.5 feats that are fundamentally different like Improved Grapple. This was a Pathfinder game.
>THAT GUY thinking natural attacks could only have one primary attack with the rest secondary. Holdover from 3.5 where claws are secondary. Lots to say about him.
>Player playing a fighter>duelist who got baited into a duel and lost because fighter>duelist is garbage
>Player playing a core rogue with 7 str thinking he had to wait on weapon finesse until level 2
>Another THAT GUY who believed you could stack some (Ghost Strike) SoP talents together because of the wording and wouldn't take no for an answer.
>Various 3.5 players that lead me to ban Trip Monks, Summoners, etc for a long time.
>One that didn't understand counterspelling and was counterspelling a level 6 spell without a check when he could only cast up to level 5.
>General tendency to multi-class to a stupid degree
>General tendency to complain that shit like Power Attack or Prestige Classes are ruined forever.
>Heard of a friend of a friend who believed Wizards and Clerics were too weak because they didn't gain enough from the conversion to 3.PF compared to a sorcerer.
>Same person believing that Turn Undead is better than Channel Energy in any metric
>Seriously wtf is with 3.5's Turn Undead. You roll like 3 times and look at 3 charts.

>>51639813

Life is not a resource, You can not buy two pounds of life!

>>51639655
>being this new
You reek of faggotry. Lurk more.

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>>51639839
Sure you can!

>>51639839
something something merchant of venis

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>>51639837
I insist that she was not a trip monk.

Still, it seems like the problem is people with hangups on garbage rules rather than the rules themselves...

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>>51639839
>Life is not a resource
What did he mean by this

>>51639753
You're a fucking idiot.

Weeaboo comes from the webcomic Perry Bible Fellowship, where it was a nonsense word that, upon uttering, caused someone to be paddled by his coworkers. Moot, back near the beginning of 4chan's life (and specifically /b/), put in a wordfilter to mock those who used the term "wapanese" because he knew that 4chan was purposefully designed as an anime-centric imageboard styled after 2chan; the wordfilter eventually was removed, but the terminology stayed and became more mainstream on the internet.

So, in short, "baka desu senpai", go fuck yourself and educate yourself.

>>51639837
To be fair, nobody actually used Turn Undead for its intended purpose; they used it to fuel various feats and class features, primarily Divine Metamagic.

>>51639963

Holy fuck you are easy to bait

Does Warder actually make sword and board interesting?

What disciplines make the most of a 1 handed weapon? I've been thinking of focusing on Cursed Razor, Iron Tortoise, Eternal Guardian, and Golden Lion. Which of these four should I drop though because I am unsure if I have enough maneuvers known to go around.

>>51640014
Cursed Razor

>>51640014
>people still fall for the PoW trap
Don't. That shit makes combat unbearably boring and shits on your party unless they do the same, and then your GM literally has to delve autistically deep into PoW to have any sort of challenge in fights.

>>51640029
>unbearably boring
Not compared to "I five foot step and full attack."
>shits on your party unless they do the same
Not everyone has to be all combat all the time.
>your GM has to delve autistically deep
Just give the enemies a counter and a strike each.

>>51639963
>Moot

Any idea what we can expect this year for Pathfinder supplements? 2016 was really sparse and I'm hoping 2017 is better.

>>51640074
Starfinder dropping in August.

>>51640074
Spheres of War

>>51640097
Path of Might, too.

>>51640074
Maybe for 1p shit, but 3p brought us Jolly shit.

>>51640029
Man I just want sword and board to be good.

Is Warder/Bloodrager at all interesting as a Gestalt? They seem to compliment each other well enough.

>>51640170
You want Warder/Magus for better synergy

So /pfg/ what role do you most often play in a group? The face? The leader? The skill monkey? The tool box? The damage dealer? What sort of characters do you normally make.

I have realized that I can't help but make skill monkeys in some capacity.

>>51640185
Melee fiend

>>51640176
Why Magus? Nothing the magus does seems to mesh well with warder.

>>51640185
I usually play A Character.

>>51640208
Magus and Warder both benefit from Intelligence, where Warder and Bloodrager are more MAD.

>>51640208
Magus and Warder both key off Int. Of course what you really want is Warder and Alchemist.

>>51640256
Warder and Vivisect Alchemist, ayy

>>51640208
Because they're both INT based, and they mesh really well I don't know what you're reading.

>>51640185
I play big dudes with a strong lust for life who like to see action and roughhouse, so I usually end up as the muscle. Happily, the rest of my IRL group then assumes I'm a dumbass who can be safely ignored, leaving me--the only player with a good grasp of the mechanics--to then curb-stomp any other PC's attempt to backstab the rest of the group.

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>>51640185
I generally find myself playing the face; I'm a huge fan of charisma based characters as I love making a personable character.

>>51640267
Sneak attacking, self-buffing, shield using, attack deflecting, big ass motherfucker.

>>51640269
They're both after the same actions is the issue.

>>51640267
>>51640256
Alchemist is perfect, thanks.

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>>51639881
It's still a problem shared by 3.5 players, and why people championing their 3.5 experience is a red flag.

>>51639974
>No one used Turn Undead
Yeah no kidding. What a nightmare. Channel Energy is so much better. It's why I'm playing a Dual Channeler, so I can fully utilize Channel Energy.

>Spheres of Might swapped the stretchgoals around so that the Gish book is now unlocked
Cumming buckets right now.

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>>51640074
I mean, 2017 is already doing well thanks to Psychic Anthology and Heroes of the High Court being great. After all, WIS-based Magus that's actually good (and actually a Spiritualist archetype), Kineticist archetype that makes you a heavily-armored elemental knight, and BLINGOMANCER, ARCANE MASTER OF DOSH

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>>51640373
Yeah, we REALLY wanted to do the gish book. There's some content that'll probably be getting switched around, some classes make more sense for that book.

I have 16 languages my character knows. He is planned to have been a student at a the University of Lepidstadt obsessed with ancient Thassalon who snuck into Razmiran chasing ruins and ended up becoming a Pathfinder.

Right now the plan is:
>Varisian
>Taldan
>Hallit
>Kelish
>Osiriani
>Polyglot
>Tien
>Azlanti
>Jistka
>Thassalonian
>Dwarvish
>Elvish
>Draconic
>Goblinoid
>Orcish
>Giant

I am really unsure of the non-human languages. Is there any languages I should drop or pick up?

>>51640421
Draconic, Celestial, Infernal, Orc, Elvish, are probably the most common non-human languages to pick up. Sylvan is also a good choice, along with the rest of the core race languages and then the outsider languages.

>>51640482
I grabbed every human language I thought was relevant. The dead languages was because my character is an archaeologist.

I think you're right though. I'll drop goblinoid and giant for now and pick up Celestial and Infernal.

I think dwarvish will probably come up more than Sylvian.

>>51640421
Sylvan is the biggest one you're missing.

Fey have a nasty habit of sneaking into situations where they shouldn't otherwise be, and being able to deal with them is important

>>51640499
Giant is important if you're an archeologist because ancient Thassilon employed giants to build pretty much every ruin that litters Avistan.

Celestial may be of interest but only one domain of Thassilon was powerful enough to enslave angels.

>t.guy who did a fuckton of research for his character concept

>>51640524
Thanks. As a Thassilonian specialist is there anything else specific I am missing?

I may drop Tien as well.

So the languages important to Thassilon research seem to be:
>Thassilonian
>Azlanti
>Jistka
>Giant
>Celestial
>Draconic

Besides this the smattering of human languages that come from Thassilonian may be important as well. The rest are just extra.

My players all want to be nature-based and essentially found a kingdom for the fey in Kingmaker. How do I let them down easy?

>>51640625
Don't.

Let them reap the harvest of their folly. Let them make peace with their end as the hour of twilight falls.

>>51640625
Why not just do a fey civil war?

>>51640625
NEVER MAKE A DEAL WITH THE FEY

The fey, even good fey, are beyond mortal understanding. In the same way outsiders are. They shouldn't have mortal-like psychology.

No, I'm wrong, they should be MORE alien than Demons and Devils. Demons and Devils were made from mortal souls. Fey just exist as something alien to mortals, a different path entirely.

Trying to forge a mortal and fey alliance should at best least to hardship and at worst least to madness. The fey are not something to trifle with.

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>>51640625
Have pic related invade them complete with her GFW instant respawn bullshit and 100 ice spells / second danmaku bs

>>51640382
>WIS-based Magus that's actually good
WHAT
I must have missed this. Please point me in the right direction

>>51640662
I don't know what the fuck any of that means, but judging by the picture's aesthetic I assume it's from some anime that only you watched.

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>>51640634
>>51640641
>>51640656
>>51640662
Quit wanking to "lol so ALIEN and MYSTERIOUS" fey/fae/fairies/faeries just because you read Changeling: The Lost or the Dresden Files and equate 2000s-era urban fantasy to real mythology.

>>51640691
Fey are supposed to be alien to mortals in pathfinder because the first world is full of strangeness.

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>>51640664
Like I said, it's actually a Spiritualist archetype. But it's 3 pages long, and is pretty much a Magus.

>>51640675
How do you not know who Cirno is desu

>>51640691
I'd say that the fey would have divine-type psychology, if we allow that they're a reflection of nature. They'd basically be ontological in nature, something that is instead of something that becomes.

>Dresden / Changeling
You don't need to read either of those, but their actual lore in 'real mythology' is both inconsistent and decidedly inhuman.

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>>51640721
The First World is the template for the Material Plane. Fey are the template for mortals.

If anything, it's elementals and genies who are supposed to be the most alien creatures, because they were never mortal and mortals were never based on them.

You don't see anyone furiously masturbating to how strange, alien, and ~awesome~ elementals and genies are, do you?

>>51640691
Okay, even assuming it's something more in the vein of, say, Stardust, you're still playing with dangerous forces. Fey in Pathfinder are still capricious on the whole, and the good ones do tend to worry about nature first and people second.

The PCs in this situation are going to be hard-pressed to reconcile all that while trying to build and run a kingdom.

>>51640755
True elementals would literally be ontological though, which automatically puts them into the metaphysical tier of existence from a philosophical point of view. In other words they're little gods unto themselves.

>>51640763
Anacho-primitivism and all that

>>51640755
>You don't see anyone furiously masturbating to how strange, alien, and ~awesome~ elementals and genies are, do you?
You should emphasize how different they are from mortals, just like you do with Fey.

They should be on the same level or more alien than fey. Intelligent aberrations should be up there as well as psychologically alien to mortals. Dragons should not be understandable by mortals either honestly, at least not on a personable level.

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>>51640752
>but their actual lore in 'real mythology' is both inconsistent and decidedly inhuman.

No, it's... pretty consistent and decidedly human, actually.

The vast majority of fairy tales are cautionary tales to warn people against dangerous or immoral behavior, or moral parables to sway people away from being dicks and towards being excellent to everyone.

That's why the fairies in the stories go after disobedient children, dickish misers, or whatnot and reward the humble shoemaker who consistently pays his hired fey-employees.

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>>51640727

>>51640778
How the fuck are you meant to convey these vast alien mindsets of these things?

>>51640778
Dragons should be understandable just fine, at least as much as any other non-human. Nowhere near the level of abberations or elementals.

>>51640784
>fairy tales
Excuse me anon but while Fey is related to the word Faierie neither of them truly relate to fairy tales as we know them today, which are a Victorian invention at best.

>>51640798
Just as an example they might literally not understand what is meant by death.

>>51640778
>everything is alien and unknowable and inscrutable
Let's be honest here, that's just an excuse to shove them into a random encounter.

"Why was there an aboleth here?"
"YOUR PUNY MORTAL MINDS CANNOT COMPREHEND THEIR INSCRUTABLE METHODS"

>>51640798
Depends on the creature. Dragons are supposed to be similar to oni actually in mindset, but with a different set of emotions. They don't prioritize things like mortals do and have enormously powerful compulsions towards greed, pride, and wrath as a species, at least for chromatic dragons.

Elementals should be portrayed similar to the menhir in The Black Company, as well as Old Father Tree. They are alien in both nature in psychology, but you can glimpse into their mindsets.

Demons and Devils, along with other mortal originating outsiders should be extremely warped mortals. Mortals forced through the looking glass to convey the worst or best of what ever their form represents.

Fey should be conveyed not by their emotions but by their non-direction. Mortals think in a very A to Z, cause and effect, based existence. Fey shouldn't new things in the same mindset. A more whimsical twisting path, both for good and evil fey.

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>>51640798
>>51640812

They absolutely understand what death is in the mortal world.

There are two main fey you meet in Kingmaker book 1, a faerie dragon and a grig. They prank the party, but if the party befriends them with Diplomacy and/or gifts, they'll happily give the party a huge amount of intel on the area.

They killed some other dude.
>Once in a great while, their pranks turn deadly (see area E), but never without proper cause.
>While they know about the dead trapper at area E, they don’t tell the PCs about this unless the PCs ask if they were responsible, in which case they bashfully admit to killing the man but then eagerly point out how bad he was.

But that guy was a dickhead trapper who laid out traps for HUMANS.
>one misanthropic trapper in particular, a man named Breeg Orlivanch, takes a cruel entertainment from hiding his traps even from two-legged prey

So from that encounter with the grig and the faerie dragon in Kingmaker book 1, I'd say they're alright. They're helpful and they have a violent sense of justice, not much worse than the PCs putting bandits to the sword in the same adventure.

>>51640812
>Dragons should be understandable just fine, at least as much as any other non-human. Nowhere near the level of abberations or elementals.
You should be able to get a grip on their mind set, but it should be different than mortal's. Like I said >>51640842


>>51640820
Outsiders based on mortals should be relatively easy to comprehend, they are just mortals warped to enormous extremes.

Are you saying that a modron's train of thought should be easy to follow? Or a aboleth's? or elder brains?

>>51640812
>Excuse me anon but while Fey is related to the word Faierie neither of them truly relate to fairy tales as we know them today, which are a Victorian invention at best.
Let's call them "folklore tales" and they're still basically cautionary tales and moral parables.

>>51640842
I'd say fey should also probably think in terms of a world that works based more on something like agreements or narrative conventions than physical law. A stream flows not because of gravity or the properties of water, but because the earth around it allows it to move in exchange for some service, and the stream makes a pleasant noise because streams are supposed to sound soothing.

>>51640854
PCs who just put bandits to the sword without deliberation or proper authority are sociopaths.

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>>51640854
IF ANYTHING, you can't possibly fucking fault those two fey for killing the sadistic trapper.

The PCs are killing desperate bandits who probably just wanted to make ends meet. The two fey killed a psychopath leaving bear traps out to give humans slow, horrible deaths in the wilderness.

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>>51640869
>>51640877
I mean, think about it.

There's a guy leaving out bear traps in the wilderness, so that humans get caught in them and die slow, painful, horrible deaths.

The two little fey killed that dude.

According to these "lel, look at my ~awesome~ and alien and inscrutable fey!" wankers, it should be the other way around, the fey setting the sadistic traps and the human killing them.

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>>51640903
Posted the wrong toohoo.

>>51640903
No, there are good fey. Just because the fey aren't evil doesn't mean they don't think in an alien manner. Are you being purposefully dense?

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>>51640854
At this point I'm talking about ontological beings, not fey in particular. Whether or not you agree basically depends on whether or not you think fey are actually ontological - they're not in Pathfinder.
Also posting Cirno I guess

>>51640869
By the time PCs are level 10 anon they've likely butchered masses of sentient creatures, they're unlikely to be sane in the normal sheltered sense anymore.

>>51640907
If something is alien then it's most likely not bound by the same good-evil axis, the entire point of the blue-orange axis is to describe inscrutable beings who are just "what the fuck" in their thinking. Dragons, Demons, and so on are NOT inscrutable, they don't even come close. They're warped, they're extreme, they have both greater and small scope, but they're completely understandable if not necessarily beings you can agree with.

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>>51640907
>Once in a great while, their pranks turn deadly (see area E), but never without proper cause.
>While they know about the dead trapper at area E, they don’t tell the PCs about this unless the PCs ask if they were responsible, in which case they bashfully admit to killing the man but then eagerly point out how bad he was.

>one misanthropic trapper in particular, a man named Breeg Orlivanch, takes a cruel entertainment from hiding his traps even from two-legged prey

"This guy is being a total fucking psychopath and murdering people. Let's go kill him."

"These PCs are being nice to use and giving us food and trinkets and shit. Let's help them and give them intel on whatever they're looking for."

I guess you could cook up some bullshit about "B-B-But they're actually arriving at these decisions through totally alien thought processes!", but hey, if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck, and can be interacted with as if it was a duck for all intents and purposes, then it's a god damn duck.

>>51640953
Oh I'm not commenting on how they're portrayed in pathfinder. In golarion outsiders, elementals, dragons, fey, everything just act like humans.

Which is dumb.

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>>51640970
Well it's god damn convenient that >>51640625 was talking about fey in Kingmaker, isn't it?

>>51640984
Yeah, he should portray them differently than in base golarion. Because base golarion fey are portrayed like silly caricatures.

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>>51641013
Or maybe, and hear me out here, my man...

Dragons, elementals, fey, outsiders, etc. etc. are portrayed in a human, understandable way because:

* The people portraying them are human and can never truly depict an alien mindset.
* Players should be able to figure out what their actions will result in. It's no fun to try to entreat some dragon/elemental/fey by being polite yet confident and then getting attacked because "Lol, you didn't take into account their alien mindset, what you just said was actually an insult of the gravest kind!"

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>>51640789

>>51641013
Hi there, I'm this anon: >>51640625
I asked my question because in Book 6, the fey invade so the BBEG can merge that part of Golarion into the First World. I wasn't sure if fey killing fey made sense, so I was asking to make sure it made sense.

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>>51641082
There are many different factions, city-states, and "nations" of fey. You know, just like humans.

Nyrissa has her own faction. In fact, she's an OUTCAST from mainstream fey society.

Those fey who invade are the outcast losers of the First World.

>>51639400
Our whole party is made of villains. We're currently getting nice and cozy with the morally questionable, but not evil, rulers of a small kingdom. Paladins and druids have already tried (and failed) to kill the royal family, our Sorceress is infatuated with the prince (he can't say no, the bitch is crazy and crazy powerful), the parties healer is gunning for the position of high priest (nobody has seen through that spooky motherfuckers disguise), the Monk and Skald are getting popular amongst the troops and the Rogue (vampire) is trying to make bank.

By the time we're done the kingdom of darkness will be a reality.

>>51639400
>Is your character a real villain?
Well, technically no.

>Have they ever caught a good guy, like a real paladin?
If by "caught" in the sense of "married"...

>Have they ever rolled a Disguise check?
I went through an hour of trying to disguise myself and sneak around but then realized that I'm no good at being that subtle, so I just bluffed my way in with a semi-plausible excuse.

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>>51641141
>the bitch is crazy
Yanderes a best

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Bonus round! While looking through Kingmaker 6, I found this.

>The incredible armored ball gown of Aidiusphine, Choral the Conqueror’s infamously brutal lieutenant and rumored lover. Shinning studs, mithral chains, and filigree “embroidery” replace the silks and lace that would commonly compose such an elaborate outfit. The
gown is effectively +4 mithral full-plate of etherealness, worth 75,800 gp. If need be, the armor’s dress can be removed, making the armor usable as half plate rather then full plate, but retaining all of its magical properties.

Let's see.

>+4
16,000 gp

>mithral
9,000 gp

>masterwork full plate
1,650 gp

>etherealness
49,000 gp

That's only 75,650 gp.

So it costs only 150 gp to turn regular full plate into an armored ball gown. Who would've thought? Coincidentally, that's the same price as gloryborn armor...

>>51641200
Well, nobody said gloryborn armor had to be skimpy, just that it's fanciful and stylized. Could also be classy as fuck.

>>51639434
I consider the 3.5 Magic Item Compendium MANDATORY in what I bring into PF games I run. It's just perfect in every way, adds both fun and convenient options for an aspect of the game that doesn't have enough of either, and benefits literally everyone instead of just certain types of characters like most books do.

>>51641191
When it was pointed out that the Prince is likely betrothed to someone, the Sorceress player pointed out that Plane Shift, Disintegrate and Baleful Polymorph were valid solutions.

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I've got a moral quandary for you anons.

So I know some time back in ancient /tg/ history there was an odd craze of 'redeemed succubus' talk going around. So that got me to thinking.

Is it inherently better to want to do a redemption arc midway into a campaign, or start the campaign starting that arc and moving forward with it? For your own character that is. I bring this up in this general because Pathfinder is my most commonly used system between the two groups I am with.

Also is it really all that wrong to want to play a succubus looking for redemption? Would it be better if it was someone playing a lich? Necromancer? Ex-anti-paladin? Is it more the general idea of it being too 'special snowflakey' or that it seems lazier to do a redemption arc of something that 'is' evil as opposed to something that's done 'a ton of evil'?

What are the beat stats/feats to be good or a killing machine with the bow?

>>51641272
Outsiders dont really have free will to change themselves
But they are not immune to outside influence
So decide the plot hook with that in mind

>>51641272
>moral quandary
WEW

>Is it inherently better to want to do a redemption arc midway into a campaign, or start the campaign starting that arc and moving forward with it?
I don't think anything of this sort will ever be inherently better, it really depends on how you pull it off

>Also is it really all that wrong to want to play a succubus looking for redemption?
Here's the biggest issue. If you use the classical definition of a succubus as a demon, then redemption doesn't make sense for them. It's not a question of if or anything, it just doesn't make sense. Asking what a redeemed succubus looks like is like asking what a human horse looks like, they're fundamentally incompatible terms (and no, a centaur is not a human horse, it is merely a creature that resembles parts of both at once). Basically this arc completely lacks meaning, because it fundamentally contradicts the basis of character. Redemption is simply not a function that accepts characters of Character.Race == Succubus.
Now ignoring that shit, "no it isn't wrong" if you're using a different version of Succubus, which isn't evil by-definition. In this case there's no reason she can't seek redemption although she'd probably stop being a succubus after the fact.

>Necromancer / etc.
Those are all fine because they are not fundamentally evil.

>lazier
It's less lazier and more "what does that even mean". Something that "is" evil cannot "become" good, because something that "simply is" doesn't "become" anything.

>>51641314
Dex>Str>con=wis>rest
Point-Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Deadly Aim, Clustered Shots, Point-Blank Master, Manyshot, Rapid Shot, etc.

>>51641230
Is the MIC good for quality of life magic items?

What tomb diving/archeology themed archetypes are there besides the archeologist bard?

>>51639477
>Totem Spiritualist

Where'd that come from?

>>51641272
The only problem with it being a succubus is that most people wanted to redeem succubi just because they wanted to get their imaginary dick wet.

If the "demon redemption" idea was pushed for demons in general rather than succubi in specific, it'd be fine. A redeemed/risen nalfeshnee or glabrezu might be an interesting idea. Succubi aren't any less interesting, and given their long-term jaunts into the mortal world being more common, it can make sense that they're more likely than some others to become invested in getting out of the Abyss, if only for selfish reasons like wanting independence.

But a quasit is just as likely to have that same arc, since it's probably been a familiar for long stretches of time. And far fewer people want to fuck a quasit.

>>51641394
Thing is you'd have to figure out what 'demon redemption' entails.
I'm on board with it because the entire "hurr entire races are locked into one alignment" bullshit never sat well with me, it's like a really hamfisted way to create "inhuman" beings, but as long as they do have the property of "simply being" evil then redemption just doesn't make sense. A redeemed demon is like a number that is both rational and irrational, positive and negative, transcendental and algebraic. Self-contradictory, and impossible by definition.

I'm fucking sick of Shocking Grasp. Is it possible to build a battlefield control Magus? Do they have ANY ability to let them increase their spell save DCs?

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>>51641378

>Roll20. You can probably guess which. I'kll give you a hint.

>It features a five letter word.

>Starts with C

>Ends with Y

>If you post this word in the thread, some autists come and have butt rage enemas over it.

Which one is it here?

http://worddetector.com/q/c%3F%3F%3Fy/


cabby
caddy
cadgy
cagey
cakey
calmy
campy
candy
canny
canty
carby
cardy
carny
carry
carvy
casky
catty
chary
chevy
chewy
chivy
choky
ciggy
cissy
civvy
clary
coaly
cobby
cocky
colby
coley
colly
comby
comfy
commy
coney
conky
cooey
cooky
cooly
coomy
copay
coppy
copsy
corby
corey
corky
corny
cosey
covey
cowry
coyly
cozey
crapy
crazy
crepy
crony
crusy
cubby
cuddy
cully
cundy
cuppy
curdy
curly
curny
curry
curvy
cushy
cutey
cutty

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>>51641451
Whoops, meant to quote >>51634322

Anyway, I think it's comfy? That has to be it, right?

>>51641451
It's probably cunny.

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>>51641394
I had a redeemed daemon in a game I played. He had been touched directly by Abadar and became LN. He was a cool guy too, physically changed somewhat when his mentality did. He was an Astradaemon and the changes made him appear strangely metallic.

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>>51641451

What would be the best weapon to assassinate people?

>>51640185
I get stuck playing the face really often even though I'm not a fan of the role. I've played the face on full martial before. My groups tend to hate charisma.

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>mfw Doug while randomly browsing roll20 games
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4284058/so-you-want-to-join/?pageforid=4583446#post-4583446

>>51641200
... You know, that actually makes perfect sense.

>>51641362
Yes. It's very good for that. Its rules for adding weapon and armor crystals are pure QoL, its rules for putting attribute bonuses and resistance bonuses on existing items (at no extra cost) or combining existing items (at 1.5x cost) are QoL, its prices are actually fucking sane and balanced, it has tons of magic items that just make life simpler without being a power trip (like Anklets of Translocation, Healing Belt and Eternal Wands), and has everything well-organized and indexed (with brief descriptions) near the end of the book so you can always know your options within your price point without difficulty. It's the best book for every level of play.

>>51641606
>its rules for putting attribute bonuses and resistance bonuses on existing items (at no extra cost) or combining existing items (at 1.5x cost) are QoL
God I fucking hate that Paizo consolidated the physical and mental stat items into a single slot each, which just fucks martials, especially Dex-based one. Most DMs don't seem to want to deal with custom magic item stuff in PF compared to 3.5 too.

>Every game short of Shadowrun has an easy to use character creator

>Pathfinder doesn't.

Help?

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A question for people:

What would people want to see out of a book about High Society/Nobility?

I was a tad disappointed with the High Courts book (Blingomancer not withstanding) and am looking to do a bit of homebrewing. However, I'd like to get a reading for what people would like to see in such a book.

>>51641662
Things that explain how magic interacts with high society. Why aren't wizards kings? That sort of thing.

>>51641683

That might be a bit out of scope but worth pondering at least. I'll certainly put it in the 'To look into' pile if I get inspired to write a lot of fluff.

>>51641662
Well I'd like ranks of peerage for feudal societies, descriptions of Imperial society for places like Tianxia which should lack true nobility entirely excepting the royalty, descriptions of cultures, how great houses work, magic, etc. as well as common hobbies / hobbies that are prestigious and trendy, etc.
Basically how you'd actually roleplay someone in the nobility and how you might make a character who actually is nobility or an imperial courtier.

>>51641606
Really I can't praise the usability factor enough. Pathfinder DOES have good items, but they're scattered to the winds. Expecting most of your players to be able to know about and find the ones they need is a fucking joke currently.

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>>51641716
>tfw your players just make you tell them what they should get
>and what feats they should take (even though the feat tree webpage actually IS decent)
>and what traits and archetypes would benefit them most
Is this what being a bottom bitch feels like

>>51641768
No, because a bottom bitch loves getting reamed by her man. You're just a beta who can't tell them to decide for themselves because they're the ones who need to play those characters.

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>>51641660
What do you need help with?
There's a ton of options but character creation is pretty easy

What feats do you recommed for two-handed weapons and polearms besides Ñower Attack?

>>51641712
>>51641683

Right, so it seems like the main interest is more in the area of 'Fluff' rather than 'Mechanics'?

That's the slower one to work with but not impossible I suppose.

Tfw you wanted spheres of might to be good
But it ended up being trash

>>51642305
What even was SoM? What did it try to do and why was it bad?

>tfw start going through a big depressive episode right as I'm getting ready to advance one campaign and start another
>players all mention they like the dark turn the story has taken
>worry i won't be able to continue it that way once this shit ends

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>>51642240
I mean how do you 'mechanics' a noble? I suppose the title itself should be a boost to certain charisma-based checks that might be boosted by influence (I, Joanna of House de Malvia, blood-sister of Ricard de Malvia the Duke of Malvia, formally request that the charges against my friend Robert be dropped and hereby testify to his innocence) and possibly choices in skills to get boosted (they probably get free Diplomacy, possibly some bluff or knowledge or riding, and so on) but nobility in the end is just a title, and one you're born with. You could be a merchant or a stabler or a starving prostitute while technically still being nobility, if not landed nobility or even relevant nobility. A noble doesn't actually refer to anything. Hell I'm not even sure really minor nobility is worth shit beyond really fucking petty stuff like slight waiving of the rules when it comes to requirements, while high nobility like the family of counts and dukes might even be able to be more or less terrorize a village and take their shit and get away with it more or less scot free.

>>51642364
>>51642240
Come to think of it it might be workable to have them basically have vancian spellcasting but in 'favors'.
So, let's say, a Duke's family is counted as a "tier 8 noble", which means she can call in a relatively large number of and high severity of favors, let's say, every in-game year, representing the shit she can get away with or push her influence through.
Anything that applies to outsiders is going to be tough because they're not nobles - so while Joanna might be able to get away with having killed a couple of people by accident or not and say they "got into a drunken fight", Albert might not be able to get away because the family is not willing to go that far for a nobody. This influence should be boosted if Joanna herself holds any personal power, i.e. she has her own title, honorary (court steward, Royal Sister, etc.) or landed (Baroness of Verrsa), and would be near-absolute within her own territory unless overruled by someone even higher.
You could expand this by making it so she can replenish a few favors immediately if she does something favorable to the house - so the House might say, for example, "figure out a way to make sure these two viscounts stop opposing our agenda in court". On the same side, she might be disgraced (can't call in favors for a while), or even disowned (lose the title and the class bonuses until you get another title) if you fuck up, make the King mad, overstretch your influence, piss off the Pope, etc. and the House seeks to cut its losses.
In this case a Noble would most likely be poor at fighting but would be godly to have around in town just for influence and the fabulous wealth he or she probably gets from her landed family, and if the Noble also happens to be landed herself then even better - her basic income is astronomical compared to everyone else, the party budget is ridiculous, her influence is sky-high.

I dunno, sounds like a pain in the ass to try brewing but you can try if you think it'll work.

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>>51639431
That is like the least offensive kitsune ever.

Anyways, anybody checked out the options opened up for Kinetic Invocation from PsyAnthology for Undines (Water) and Caligni (Void)?

I want to marry a cute Half-elf and waste away while she remains vibrant and youthful!

Other than Sohei, what ways are there to expand the Monks capacity to flurry with non monk weapons?

Kind of off topic but we're dead as fuck so...
Is Order of the Stick good or garbage

>>51643213
Zen Archer is a good one

>>51643213
Weapon Master's Guide custom weapons with the Monk property?

>>51643226
Pretty good, semi-recently things have begun to slide. But that's still over a thousand (or at least five hundred) decent comics.

>>51643284
Yeah, that one. I should have mentioned that.

>>51643301
I'll have to look that up.

>>51643213
Unchained Monk gets enough monk weapons to where you don't desperately need anything else, since you can sansetsukon nerds

What are some essential second level Cleric scrolls to have handy?

>>51643338
Mostly for flavor.

>>51643213
Crusader's Flurry, needs channel energy class feature.

>>51643226
I fell behind relatively early on and eventually couldn't cope with the maddening volume of text as I tried to catch up to his storyline.

>At 1st level, a sacred fist can make a flurry of blows attack as a full-attack action. This ability works like the monk ability of the same name, except the sacred fist's attack bonus from warpriest levels does not count as his warpriest level.

What is that supposed to mean?

>>51640373
>>51640412
>Gish book for SoM

Will magus actually get some proper spheres support, or will it remain eternally cucked by multiclassing?

>>51643482
It's a nerf. Normal monk got full bab on a flurry

>>51643482
A pointless errata to a shit fighting style

>>51643482
Normal monks count as having full BaB when flurrying, whereas Sacred Fists still only get 3/4. It's a nasty hit to Warpriest's already mediocre attack bonus, so generally you want to either stack those buffs to the sky or simply gestalt

>>51643510
I see, though I still kinda fail to read that into the text.

Is there something like a divine might feat (from 3.x) in Pathfinder?

As a free action, turning a channel divine energy into a charisma hit to weapon damage?

>>51643546
Divine Fighting Technique has a few 'add charisma to attack/damage' abilities if you don't mind being restricted in your alignment

>>51643533
If something says it works like the ability of the same name, it's worth checking out that ability:

>For the purpose of these attacks, the monk's base attack bonus from his monk class levels is equal to his monk level. For all other purposes, such as qualifying for a feat or a prestige class, the monk uses his normal base attack bonus.

>>51643567
Thanks.

>>51643730
Didn't that change with unchained?

armor check penalty doesn't apply to attack rolls, right?
only skills like swim and stealth and shit?
im pretty sure that's the case, just making sure

>>51643742
It applies to attack rolls only if you aren't proficient with said armor.

>>51643769
thanks

>>51643740
Unchained has full BAB anyway, so it doesn't need the special rule.

>>51643788
The regular monk always confused me.

Does polearm dancer work with deadly agility and if yes, is it worth spending 2 feats on a non bonus feat class like harbinger for dex to damage?

>>51643872
Tbh, for Harbinger, Shield Focus+Shield Brace/Unhindering Shield will always net you more bang for the buck in terms of AC, since you should be focusing Int and not a physical stat.

As Slayer, is it necessary to pick Power Attack for two-handed, or should I pick something else?

>A brawler's unarmed strike is treated as both a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that modify either manufactured weapons or natural weapons.

Does this mean a brawler's flurry would stack with Natural Weapons, say claws from a Tiefling?

>>51643915
Ive thought about that but I'm a little worried with my ability to hit since its only 1/2 int to attack on a 3/4 bab class.

>>51643915
Except you don't get Int to damage until the game is basically over(like level 10). I don't get why people say this.

>>51643923
It's not necessary, but there really isn't a better choice than +3/6/9/12/15/18 damage.

>>51643971
>Nobody ever plays past level 10

K

>>51644045
>people get to level 10 to play past it
K

Seriously, if you have to wait till level 10 for your build to come "online" it's a shit build and a shitty class.

>>51644066
>Literally in two game s right now that are at 10, and will probably hit 18~ before endgame.
Builds shouldn't rely on these levels, but you're still spouting bullshit by saying nobody plays at them.

>inb4 "my experiences invalidate yours"

>>51644066
>I never get to level 10 so no one does
And a build can be all right before a certain level and then great after it.

>>51644105
>>51644114
Yeah, if you start at some ludicrously high level like 8 or 9 then sure.

>>51644124
Both of my games started at 1, ergo you are full of shit. I'm sorry your experiences have been so restricted.

>>51644124
Started at level 2. Got to level 16.
Started at level 5. Currently at level 13.

>>51643546
Just because you get kicked out after the first session or your shit gm bails on you doesnt mean the same is true for everyone else.

>B-but muh idioms
Fuck off

>>51639400
>search /pfg/ on the catalog
>anime kitsune shitposting OP

How far this general has fallen.

>>51644240
Its been like that for the past year

>>51644221
>>51644114
>>51644148
I'm in a game at level 15 and started at 5. Those are unusual and not the rule though. Most games just fall apart because of life stuff before 10.

You know this to be true.

So yeah, does deadly agility work with polearm dancer or what?

>>51644267
It had better be or my character is shit.

>>51644267
It does. Polearm Dancer specifically mentions it counts as Weapon Finesse for feats

>>51644248
It's been like that for the past three years.

>>51644253
Except that hasn't happened to the past five games I've been in, or the three games before the one before that.

Either you play with shit or you are shit. You know this to be true.

Say I want to dimension door an ally somewhere, without going along with them. Is there a way to do this?

It doesn't have to be dimension door ether. I basically want something like telekinetic charge so I can get my friend's deadly but slow barbarian to land a full attack.

>>51644294
>Except that hasn't happened to the past five games I've been in, or the three games before the one before that.
Yeah. Sure. Totally. Luck you.

>>51641245

Did you know that the King of Brevoy, Noleski Surtova, is young and single?

The only person standing in the way of his marriage is Noleski's sister, who is more than a little clingy on her little brother getting close with another woman.

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>>51641378
Psychic Anthology!

What's a good social talent to pick up as an Exposed Vigilante who probably won't be too good at skills or party facing because of generally middling to poor mental stats?(10 Int, 12 Wisdom, 8 charisma)?

>>51644355
Pirates r ded m8

>>51644407
What? This isn't for that Sky Pirates thing.

>>51644333
Floating disc?

>>51644339
>I-I don't believe you!
Sure. Lack of introspection is what's killing your games, not something fundamental to the games.

>>51644407

Is Vexation of the Vulgar kill too?

>>51644421
>Y-Your just dumb. Yeah! Real life and jobs don't fuck with people's schedules at all!

You know what I'm wrong. But you're a fucking faggot cunt.

>>51644417
No I need something with serious range/speed. Can my familiar cast dimension door?

>>51644449

Life has many doors, anon. Is your familiar a goat?

>>51644435
Again, your fault for being/hanging out with people who cannot do something as simple as adhere to a schedule.

>E-everyone but me is a neet
Sure thing buddy

>>51644435
m8, people have jobs, and sometimes they put things on hold, but they figure things out. If /most/ of your games are falling apart you need to sort your shit.

>>51644463
>>E-everyone but me is a neet
I didn't even imply that, asshole.

Seriously, you type like a genuine bitch.

>>51644492
>Assblasted because called out
Read the redditor like a fucking book

>>51644514
How can I be called out for something I never did?

I even admitted I was wrong. Doesn't change the fact that anon is a cunt.

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>>51639400
>is your character a real villain?

So.. I haven't play Pathfinder for awhile...

Can you be a good necromancer with all Paizo material yet? Last time I was here people were arguing about, how you can just keep casting Protection from Evil to shift your alignment toward Good or something like that..

>>51644628
No. Necromancy spells are still evil.

>>51639431
Well like anything they might be good for atmosphere creation and other world building parts until you let players make contact with them at which point they will generally either REEEEE because furry weebs or try to fuck every single one of them.

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>>51644668
Humanoid Kitsune were a mistake.

They should have been vulpine shapeshifters that upon getting you were they want you and rusing you into humilaiting yourself, turn into monstrous foxes that proceed to rip you limb from limb.

>>51644640
ฺBut can you still counter balance it by repeatedly [Good] spell? I remember something about 2-3 casting in a short time will shift your alignment 1 step toward that spell alignment or something.

>>51644714
Mechanically yes. But any GM who would allow that would also be one of those mooks who believed that a roll of 20 on a skill check is always a success even if the DC for it is in the triple digits.

>>51644714
You read complete bullshit. Aligned spells do not affect your alignment in any way, shape, or form. This is neither stated nor implied anywhere at all.

Descriptors only affect the game when they are explicitly called upon.

>>51644694
That's not what typical kitsune are though. You might be thinking of one of the many variants around Asia that are similar.

>>51643971
I really don't get why people think the game is over at {insert arbitrary level here} since I've run the game to level 32 before.

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>>51644744
So they errata this stuff out from Horror adventure?

>>51644835
That's a splatbook rule, anon, not a core rule.

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Don't hide it from me, /pfg/.

Tell me how your magus came by his black blade.

>>51644884
Hmm.. but then if you are going by core rule...
casting Animate Dead also wouldn't be an evil act then?

So has anyone tried building a Phantom Blade?

Seems like a really sweet package overall. What turns me on most is that you can attack touch AC for two points from your extoplasmic pool for a round.

From a cursory glance seems like what sets this apart most from the Magus is the ability to cast in Heavy Armor from level 1 (if you pick up proficiency) and the spell list which has fewer burst damage options and more debuffs.

So my first instinct would be to build this more as a tanky caster. Maybe a Dwarf rockin Dwarven Waraxe and heavy armor who throws up shield in the first round of combat and then start TWF via Chill Touch.

So

>>51644929
No, but releasing undead into the world is in itself an evil act regardless of how you do it. Be it by magic or turning yourself into one.

>>51644835
You are meant to keep track of that shit in a horror adventure
Where heroes face corruption everywhere

Who is your favorite WotR boy?

I kind of like the non-transforming trap, but they feel a little bland beyond "anal only, caged dick".

>>51644932
Aren't they still psychic casters? They still take a really big penalty to concentration.

>>51644896

It was given to him by his father, as it was his father's black blade and his father before him.

The blade's kind of a family friend, you see.

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>>51645134
>Who is your favorite WotR boy?

Probably the man I was going to make until I realized it would be a fool's errand to get involved in that campaign.

>>51644896
It was an item dropped by adventurers that he picked up and failed to return. It's been like a mother to him ever since they could communicate, though. It possibly is quite literally so, as well.

>>51645191

I'm gonna be really disappointed if that game and the players chosen are all lesbians/trap only types.

Girls being lewd with girls does nothing for me, and this severely cuts me outta a lot of ERP these days since everyone is so into abuse/snuff/corruption these days, and I've grown out of that.

>>51645216
>>51645183

Friendly, family-oriented black blades are best blades.

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>>51645235
>Girls being lewd with girls does nothing for me

Thank you for saying this, I thought I was the only one.

>>51645191

Who were you going to make, senpai?

>>51645277

Inb4 it's the bland elf or the conan expy guy

>>51639431
This is how kitsune should be. Also how high level monks should fight.

https://youtu.be/4xe72U7mXNg?list=FLSQO_wlZ8oCMtmC15VLYA5A

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>>51645277
>>51645330

It was actually the scruffy Kellid bowman brought back from the dead by an otherwordly essence in a manner that is starting to sound strikingly similar to the MC in Nioh.

Slayer || Avowed (Celestial or more likely Nation), though an alternative was replacing Slayer with Warlord.

>>51641660
>he thinks Chummer is hard to use
cuck

>>51644896
He found it in a bush where it was abandoned by it's last owner because of the speech impediment it hat for s-s-s-s-s-s-ss-s-s-s-s-s-ss-s-ss-s-s-s-ss-s-s-ss-s-ss--sss-s-s-s-ss-s-ss-ss-s-ss-s-ss-s-stuttering the first letter of it's sentences for ages before being able to produce a coherent sentence, after which it would end it's sentence in another ss-s-ss-ss-ss-s-ss-ss-ssss-s-s-ss-ss-ss-ss-ss-s-s-s-s--s-s-s-stutter.

Can someone reccomend me a pathfinder module for low levels? Please.

>>51645235
>Girls being lewd with girls does nothing for me

Same here. There are rarely any guys in the ERP I have seen. Lesbian action is like more vanilla than vanilla sex at this point. I want to see guys reaming women, women dominating guys, a woman making her trap toy fuck her guy friend, etc. I'm sick of anime yuri in my ERP.

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When was the last time one of your characters broke the law? Was it worth it?

>>51639992
>Le epic troll

>>51645134
Well what do you like about him?
Tell us about the others.

So why is the Whitehaired Witch so weak? It gives up the entire Hex mechanic of witches to get a permanent version of the Prehensile Hair hex, but it's somehow worse.
WHW can grapple and all that freely and has a slightly higher damage roll (1d3 for medium sized Prehensile compared to 1d4 for WHW) but its roll to hit isn't anywhere as good. They both get bonus damage according to INT, straight for WHW and from Prehensile counting as limb STR according to your INT, but only Prehensile Hair gets to hit bonus due to limb STR while WHW hair doesn't get a bonus to hit.

Really seems weak and unbalanced there, so what would /pfg/ do to balance it? And why is it weak in the first place?

>>51645446
I've always found Chummer to be way harder to use than NSRCG3, and that's really saying something considering how much easier SR4 is to work with.

>>51645330
Hey, it hasn't been abandoned yet, I'm just lazy.

>>51645372
>I like my kitsune wearing tiny strips of cloth over their naughty bits and writhing around provocatively for me

Monk stuff is great though.

>>51645905

Like: has a penis

Dislike: blatant, directed fetish, probably a transbian, going by the backstory presented.

The other male characters seem a bit bland. Jin's story doesn't click. John/Joan is cringey TF shit. The other trap barely has a story. Uhh did I miss any?

>>51646034
I more meant being a trickster instead of any sort of warrior/mage, but yeah that was a pretty blatant seduction she pulled to get the guys fighting over her.

>>51645924
It's weak because it's 20% of a grappler shackled to a gutted casting class. Good luck grappling with 2/4 BAB.
My fix involved making a big ol' homebrew Magus archetype.

>>51645924
Just house rule it. PF has shitty balancing logic as it is so anysort of sacrifice tends to fuck you over.

>>51645648
We Be Goblins
We Be Goblins Too
We Be Goblins Free

>>51645673

Anon, most people don't make women because they want lesbian anime action, do recall that the shipping and gushy gushy that went on for RotJR and Dragons and Molthune was almost entirely male on female.

No, they make women because that's ERP Easy Mode.

It's all the benefits of being in an ERP with none of the drawbacks, men have to do all the work for a relationship and you basically just have to lay back and react. Hell, Oglaf nailed it with the "sub" girl who's really just "lazy and clingy."

It's the easiest way to separate the wheat from the chaff, just play a desirable male character and don't be the initiator for any sort of romantic or sexual activities. The girls that pursue you are played by people who know the game, and people who merely try to encourage your character to start hitting on theirs is just lazy.

>>51646131
>>51645673
>>51645235
/erp/ is elsewhere.

>>51646205
Where do you think we are?

>>51645235
It's fine, these women are mages, they can probably grow penises really easily.

>>51646236
/pfg/

>>51646238
If you do a loose interpenetration of polymorph any object, then the venerable wizard could permanently turn herself into a 18 str, 18 dex, 18 con hunk.

>>51646069
>>51646090
That sucks. We did houserule it to be a combo of the two together which is nice, but that still sucks how bad the Witch class is.
WHW is too damn fun and silly of a concept for me to give up and I'm having a great time with it.

I'm also confused as to how many spells the Witch actually knows at the start. It says that her familiar knows all cantrip spells and 3+INT mod of level 1 spells, with two new spells of any level she can cast per level up.
The part throwing me off is with the cantrips, as it says she only has 4 to cast in a day but cantrips are infinite use. So is she only able to use 4 different cantrips per day by communing with her familiar?

>>51645235
>he doesn't want to see the Calistrian harlot taunt the party's paladin for being in the closet until she snaps and fucks her while choking her out and shouting about purity

>>51646274
Yup. Start of the day she picks four cantrips to use as often as she'd like.

>>51646327
But then the other spell levels are whatever + bonus spells given by INT, right? Feels way more complicated when they combine cantrips into the Casts Per Day chart when cantrips are infinite anyways. They make it sound like you can only cast cantrips 4 times when they combine it like that.

It also seems silly that despite being level 20 you still will only be able to cast 4 different cantrips. Why does that not increase periodically with levels?

>>51646293

Would be better if it was a pure male Paladin getting teased about wasting such an impressive package desu desu.

Wait, does fag still become Baka?

>>51646131
Except for the people that make dominant girls. Mine generally lean dominant.

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>>51646034

To be fair, that's not necessarily a race-specific preference.

>>51646399
It's spells per day. Witches are prepared casters, so at the start of the day they prepare their spells per day according to the chart+ bonus from int, and that's what they have to cast. When they cast a spell normally it would be expended and now uncastable, but cantrips don't get expended.

>>51646054
>The other trap barely has a story.

Hey, I wrote up a massive wall of text, probably too much story. Did you read it or is it just terrible?

>>51646131
>male character
>don't be the initiator for any sort of romantic or sexual activities

Sounds like a recipe for being excluded from 100% of the ERP.

>>51646514
Wait I'm confused more now. Does that mean that if you take say a fireball spell and cast it, it' only good for one cast for the day and you have to use a different spell next if you have all slots with different spells?

I must be misreading everything at this point.

I remember there being an archetype for a class that does more damage the more damage the character takes or something along those lines, anyone know what im speaking of?

>>51646583

If you present yourself as a prime slab of beef than trust me, the competent players *will* come to sample and that's when you reciprocate.

It's the difference between telling a lewd joke to the party member, and responding with a lewd joke of your own when one is told to you.

>>51646449

Dominant girls are the same way! They always seem to be hellcats in the streets, but kittens in the sheets.

Maybe I'm just butthurt because I'm tired of doing the lion's share of work in ERP.

>>51646054
Ehh, boring traps are better than the person that posted their Fursona with art directly from their deviant art.

>>51646605
Let's say you're a first level witch with 18 int. Your familiar knows all witch cantrips and 3+int bonus (4) first level spells. At the start of the day you take one hour and can prepare, according to the chart, 3 cantrips and 1+int bonus (1) first level spells. You choose these spells, for your cantrips, Daze, Light, and Spark. You can cast these spells as many times as you would like. For your first level spells you choose Mudball and Mage Armor. You can cast each of these spells once. You could instead choose Mage Armor twice and cast it twice, but then you cannot cast Mudball, because even though you know it it is not prepared.

>>51646274
>witch
>bad

>>51646274
>Full Caster
>Gets a bunch of free spells through familiar
>Bunch of spell-like abilities as progresses, some even better than the spells they normally get at that level
>Bad

>>51646786
Okay so sounds pretty close to what I originally thought before I started confusing myself.
In the current game we just hit level 2, and I started with 20 INT (18 rolled, +2 human racial) so I'm now at level 2 with
4 cantrips
2(+3) Level 1 spells
So I can cast 5 Level 1 spells per day, and they're locked in as to what spells I can cast that day corresponding to what slots I fill. I always thought it was that you choose the number of spells then can freely use up a cast for any of those spells.

>>51639877
>merchant of venis
...
>merchant of venus
excellent campaign seed, ty anon.

>>51646767

Or "mspaint aasimar"

>>51646897
Paintschainer, actually.
http://paintschainer4.preferred.tech/

And hey, it could have been worse--I could have kept using a character reference from a Type-Moon game.

>>51644124
Been in a game that went from level 4 to 14 and ran a game from level 5 to 18. Also may I point you to anyone who has ever run an AP.

>>51646875
Almost right, except you have 2+2 first level spells.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#Table-Ability-Modifiers-and-Bonus-Spells
20-21 int gives you 2 bonus first level spells.

I'm going to try not to confuse you further, so this is not talking about the witch anymore. The Arcanist casts the way you're thinking, by choosing a list of spells every day and then casting anything off that list until he runs out of spells per day.

>>51646962
Alright, thanks for helping anon. Pretty sure I get all that now. Rather new to Pathfinder and somehow I keep misreading everything. I have looked things up before but they never go into much detail or aren't answering the question.

One more thing though: How do you get new skills in Pathfinder? Looked it up but can't find a thing on it other than something about a trait letting you get more, but that's not for leveling up.

>>51646274
>witch
>bad
explain further

>>51647004
Every time you level up you get new skill points that you can allocate however you want. As a witch you get 2+int bonus points per level, so 7 every level for you. Humans have the skilled racial trait which gives you an extra point every level, though you may have traded it out.

>>51646535

Oh, it's on your sheet!

Hmm......

I kind of get that your character has a measure of pathos to him, but the backstory doesn't seem to make good on it.

>>51647046
>>51647004
Unless you meant how do you get more class skills. There are traits, you can pick up a level in a different class, and there's probably a feat for it as well.

>>51647070
Meant completely new skills. Say I wanted to grab Disguise or something else sneaky. It's not part of class or anything and I didn't start with a rank in it at the beginning, so how do I get it?

>>51647109

You don't without traits or some kinda feat or item or multiclassing

If you guys wanted to play a fighter esque class that blocked all the damage how would you do it?

>>51647124
Warder

>>51647109
You can put skill points in any skill. It's just that you get a +3 bonus if it's a class skill.

>>51647109
You can put ranks in it, but don't get the boost of it being a class skill unless you trait it or multiclass.

>>51647124
Crane Style Monk

What is your character's profession?

>>51647041
>>51646871
>>51646813
Guess I shouldn't have said that, but so far everything I've read and heard is a general "Witch isn't all that good" likely in comparison to other spell casters. Pretty sure some of the other players in the game said the Witch isn't as good either but I don't think I was paying attention since I was having too much fun reading through the class. So I guess I'm just parroting but a couple of the guys know Pathfinder pretty well as far as I can tell so I sort of took it.

>>51647154
>>51647155
So I can freely know how to do something basically?

>>51647152

Is it just me, or does it feel like there should be a Warder archetype that gives Damage Reduction?

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>>51647199

Philosopher.

>>51647209
Witch is the weakest of the tier 1 casters because of their limited spell list.

>>51647199
Sailor and Cook.

>>51647054
How can I improve it?

Is the part about his aunt grooming him too subtle or too much? Pathos wasn't really my intention but should I play up a tragic backstory more or cut out those bits? What does the backstory lack?

>>51647209
It's not free since you have to spend a skill point, and having that skill point doesn't mean you can succeed at that skill, it just means you can try.

>>51647224
What do you think about

>>51647199

I make things!

>>51641375
asking again

>>51647289
Well yeah, I don't mean literally free. But it means that I can take just about any non-class skill as long as I put a point into it, correct?

>>51646693
Celestial Pact Avowed does this.

>>51644896
The character died painfully when he was attacked by bandits and refused to hand over his money. He was the son of a wealthy family, but not wealthy enough. His father had him reincarnated. When once he was human he became elven. From the corpse of his human body the black blade sprouted from his heart.

The blade seemed to reflect a portion of his own personality. A sickly hateful portion of him.

On a whole he didn't really know how to think about it.