Horus Heresy General /hhg/

>>51563861
>>51563873
>>51562832
Dude we're already some 100 posts in.

>>51563861
So what's the Karkinos tank?

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THIRD FOR THIRD LEGION

>>51564229
>legion of narcissistic prettyboys
>turned into fugly clusterfuck
tok pek

>>51564103

The Triaros with sponson lightning guns and rad missile bays.

>>51564780
No shit.
Do we have rules for it? I've not seen them in any of the imgurs.

So, I've found an imgur link for Sons in the last thread, but not Talons of The Emperor or Wolves. I'm gonna be that douchebag and ask if anyone's got the others.

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First for Slavstode master race

>>51563861

They do know Kingsley can sue them now for likeness theft?

I'm thinking of getting into modelling with Horus Heresy but I can't decide between the White Scars and Alpha Legion. Is it true that white is really hard to paint for beginners?

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Is there a list of which Custodes/ Sisters of Silence unit goes with which FoC slot?

>>51566403
Your fuckups tend to show up very easily with white.

Eitherway, from the sound of your question you are new to miniatures in general. No matter what, your first mini WILL be shit. Make sure to save said mini as a permanent reminder of where you have come from.

Play WS. We have enough Alpharius memelords as is. We need some wise Khan's go advice

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Just leaving a few things here

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and the rules

Where in the rules does it say which units get to be part of Thousand Sons covens? Do all Thousand Sons units in the heresy era list get one of the coven abilities?

Also for heresy era wolves, why would you ever take a Frost Blade when you can take a Frost Claw instead? They are both AP3 specialist weapons for the same points but one has Shred and the other doesn't.

>>51566499
Because maybe you think the Frost Sword looks cooler?

>>51566499
It's FW. They are literally to stupid to edit there own books.
Apparently in some of their photo shop background pics they left in fucking people.

>>51566403
White isn't all that hard, actually. Yellow is suffering though, at least from what I've heard

>>51566499
its on the page with their legion astartes rules, so I take that to mean any LA unit gets to pick a cult

>>51566499
I have a feeling it's a typo and they're not meant to be specialist weapons. I can't imagine that a SW Consul w/Frost Blade is supposed to cost 10 points more than a DA Consul w/Calibanite Warblade and have one less attack.

Did you guys figure out Magnus can't 36" D-bubble yet?

Been reading about people freaking out for pages, but no one has realized Magnus can only boost witchfires yet. Novas are not witch fires.

>>51566595
>that entire post.

Were you trying to be ironic?

>>51566996
A Nova is a sub-type of witchfire like a beam is.

>>51566513

If that's what FW wanted then why not just have one entry called "frost weapon" and leave it at that?

Don't be a retard

What a wonderful time to be a Warhammer model collector. In other news, the paper from codices clogs toilets easily.

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>>51566499
its part of the leagion Astartes thousand sons rules its just the page after the one thats starts With it so it makes it harder to conect them.

>>51566996
thats what i think to but its written a bit unclear in the rules as it is under the witchfire rules subtypes.

>>51565458
what's this?

Anyone got the rules for the psi titan? or rules for the custodes terminators? is there some big dump i can find everything?

>>51566468
Hunter killers missiles are still one shot "hit some random unit/guy/tank half way off the board on a 3+ ignoring targeting rules" thing right?

If so 2 for 10 is pretty good.

>>51567025

Novas are explicitly referred to as novas. Not witchfires. Same with beams or focused witchfires.

Suppose it's a good litmus test to see which sad sack of shit will actually try it though.

Can I play a pure knight house army?

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>"sky is falling" shitposting is getting so bad people on facebook are saying Het squads are scoring eternal warriors with a rerollable 3++

>>51567220
Novas are a subtype of Witchfire, just like Beams and Focused Witchfires.

Squares are a subtype of rectangles. This is grade-school level shit.

>>51567477
Yes!

Updated my list to change the Contemptor into a Mortis and moved the Dreadclaw to the command Squad, and spent some spare points.

Night Lords Terror Assault - 2000

>HQ
Praetor - Tartaros
MC Paragon Blade, Lasers, Halo, Trophies, Halo

Command Squad x4 - Tartaros
Pair of Claws x2, CF, Axe, Autocanon

Damacles Rhino

>Fast
Dreadclaw

>Elite
Veteran Squad x10 - Machine Killers
Melta x2, Power Axe x2, Vox, AA+Glaive
Legion Drop Pod

Veteran Squad x10 - Machine Killers
Plasma x2, Vox, AA+Glaive
Legion Drop Pod

Mortis Contemptor Dreadnaught
Assault Canons, Havok Launcher

>Troops
Terror Squad x10
Volkite x10, AA+Glave

Terror Squad x5
Bolters, AA+Glave

Terror Squad x5
Bolters, AA+Glave

Command squad in the Claw, one of the small Terrors goes in the Rhino, and then the other small one either outflanks or camps an objective.

>>51566405

Talons of the Emperor Unit List.
HQ: Legio Custodes Shield Captain
HQ: Sisters of Silence Oblivion Knight-Centura
HQ: Sisters of Silence Excruciatus Cadre
HQ: Constantin Valdor
HQ: Jenetia Krole
Elites: Legio Custodes Hetaeren Guard Squad
Elites: Legio Custodes Aquilon Terminator Squad
Elites: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought
Elites: Sisters of Silence Oblivion Knight Cadre
Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad
Troops: Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad
Troops: Sisters of Silence Prosecutor Cadre
Troops: Sisters of Silence Vigilator Cadre
Dedicated Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav-Carrier
Dedicated Transport: Sisters of Silence Kharon Pattern Acquistor
Fast Attack: Sisters of Silence Pursuer Cadre
Fast Attack: Legio Custodes Agmatus Jetbike Squadron
Fast Attack: Legio Custodes Pallas Grav-Attack Squadron
Heavy Support: Sisters of Silence Seeker Cadre
Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Sagittarum Guard Squad
Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav-Tank
Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Galatus Dreadnought
Lords of War: Warlord-Sinister Pattern Battle Psi-Titan

So someone explain to me how Osiron Dreadnought work

On the Legion Specific Unit, it's labeled as HQ, but on the unit section it says that it's an upgrade for Contemptor talon which is Elite

>>51566403
how 2 do ez pz white:

>prime black
>basecoat with Celestra gray
>layer to ulthuan gray
>highlight with pallid wych flesh

>>51569178
You can mix and match between sisters and custodes, right?

>>51567525
>meanwhile I'm just over here waiting for chinaman to get off holiday

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>>51565458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fro6je9L5kg

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Is she Ezekyles' long lost sister?

>>51570295
Yes, but you need one SoS HQ for every three units of them. I don't know if that includes the HQ as well but I assume so.

So, has anyone found out what the fuck is a "Misericordia" ? Valdor has one as do the Sagittarum bananastodes

>>51566897
>White undercoat
>Yellow wash
>Another yellow wash
>OPTIONAL: edge highlight
>Yellow glaze
Bam. Perfect yellow.

>>51574035
Each model only counts as 1 for transporting them
Terminators take 1 slot instead of 2.

>>51574230
Thank you

>>51567106
It's Valdor, továrišč.

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>>51573057
>She's got a topknot, which makes her similar to Abaddon
Topknots were a mistake, but completely shaven girls would have looked weird.
Also, why does she not have a knightly grill surgically bonded to her jaw?

>By the way, I havent logged in since yesterday's afternoon, so I missed about 700+ posts.
What did I miss?

>>51570273
how to do white
> start by priming black

Are you retarded or just trolling the gullible.

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>>51565458
>>51570371
>Leave Horus to me.

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>>51574035
>>51574230
>>51574390
It's probably their S(User) AP3 Power Knives
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misericorde_(weapon)

Hey guys!

Me and a mate are splitting to BoP kit and I am getting the Thousand Sons. I was looking for some advice as I am not sure how I want to build the squads up.

I want a mobile force so was thinking of doing two ten man tactical squads with the sergeant taking a combi melta and melta bombs, and the rhino taking a combi melta. For the terminators, I have no idea what I am going to do with them other than one will have the Plasma Cannon and I will probably stick them in a land raider. Also undecided as to whether or not I want to upgrade the squads to Brotherhoods of Psychers!

On top of that I have no idea what I will take as an HQ.

An option would be to take the RoW so veterans and termies are scoring, take one of the troop squads as a 9 man veteran squad and stick a Preator in with them.

That is quite a point sink so another option would be to have one squad as an infantry squad of 10 with the preator attatched.

tl:dr; best way to utilize BoP to make a Thousand Sons list.

>>51574911
>Tops knots were a mistake
I'm not gonna go there as a XVI legion member....

But as for what you missed, tell me, how do you feel about Custodes?

And speaking if custodes, supposedly their terminator squads armor may very well actually look a lot more like Mk1 terminator armor like their heavy dreadnought instead of cataphractii, like the fluff says is based off of

>Looks like the legions are never getting Saturnine Terminator Armor

>>51574911
>Also, why does she not have a knightly grill surgically bonded to her jaw?

#waifuprivilege.

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>>51575553
Nigga, what do you think I want a waifu for to begin with?

>>51575455
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)#XV_Legion:_Thousand_Sons

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)

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>>51575548
>>Looks like the legions are never getting Saturnine Terminator Armor
This kills the anon.
I've got the pics, I've yet to analyze them, and I saw mathanons did their work.
I was expecting Custodes to have an "army of Centurions" not-Deathwatch feel. Miniprimarchs.
And they appear to fit the bill, even if my jimmies are rustled by them using Wave Serpents instead of Grav Rhinos, fitted with OP guns at that.

Also, Sol(e)rite Fists BTFO.

But lots of other stuff was Scoria-tier Power creep.

Just by chance though, has anyone read yet as to why there were SoH at prospero yet? Seems like something that could be interesting

>>51575650
Yeah, they very much work as an elite army. Scoria can barely take down their HQ, he keeps his title entirely from his Machinator Array and the Tribune's Unwieldy. Scoria isn't that bad really, he really struggles against Custodes due to not actually having ID of any kind.

Really quite vulnerable to things that aren't Space Marines though. Mechanicum artillery and automata are all S10 and hard to wound with their ID guns, Militia and Adsecularis tarpits are insanely good value and they lack volume of shooting to deal with them or the Solar Auxilia. Also struggle against armour outside of the limited S10 melee and pretty much cannot hurt flyers ever.

If you ever wanted to design an army that would trigger the hell out of marine players who expect their Primarch to be immortal, this is how to do it.

Against those of us not playing Marines, it's generally all good.

>>51575455
For lower point value games, take a Delegatus instead of the praetor.

Marksmen Veteran Squads with the Asphyx Bolter Shells are brutal.

>>51575751
>Against those of us not playing Marines, it's generally all good.
yeah but...
>90% of 30k plays muhreens
>muhreens have no counter to cuckstodes

>>51575455
Read the stuff in the OP first.

No tactica on the Sons yet as the rules literally came out yesturday.

>>51575853
Ah, just you wait a few hours, the boys at 1d4chan are already thinking of ways to unleash the mind-cheese

>>51566468
>>51566481
is this in inferno or not?

>>51575751
>Mechanicum artillery and automata are all S10 and hard to wound with their ID guns
Well with the Custard's army-wide Deepstrike (suck on that, Horus) the Mechanicum's Cyber Occularis just went from "recommended" to "FUCKING COMPULSORY" if they want their stuff to keep safe. And I think Scoria lacks those.
I'm at a loss, are the Combi-disintegrator dudes Relentless and affected by that deepstrike buff?

>>51575751
I don't remember the exact mathhammer used, but custodes are pretty ridiculous for most armies to face, they have numerous ways of deploying and their tanks are just as insane

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>>51575944
>and their tanks are just as insane
They should be "different flavour of infantry + dreads and transports" and cut it at that.
But FW has got to sell them minis, doesn't it.

Just saying, if they had released a Grav Rhino, complete with all the engravings, fins and enough stuff to be a full mini instead of an upgrade kit, people would have bought it like hot bread, even if they had no plans for actual custodes.

>>51575263
Some paint a golden Slavstode head over the guys' faces, and a SoS over the chick.
Please and thank you

>>51575993

There's a fluffy reason they have everything, Empra wanted to keep a fully fledged military under his direct command for the most important missions.

Same reason he has the psi-titan legion and not Admech.

>>51576099
and whats the fluffy reason for their generic HQ being better than horus?

>>51575263
The 3++ rerollable is because Horus just can't hit the bastard

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Well at least it's better than the deamon prince version

>>51576099
Considering their ability, at least on tabletop, to take on pretty much anything bar some insane hordes/Apocalypse battles, don't see why Emps didn't just use the Custodes as primary military force. They're already perfectly loyal

>>51576146

Their statline is not as good as a Primarch's but as it happens Empra keeps the best wargear too and that makes up for it.

>>51576179

There's just 10k of them and mareens are way faster and easier to make.

>>51576164
>Magnus the pink

>>51565458
Only T5.

So sad.

I just want one T6 primarch tier Custodes man.

>>51576099
The PSI titans aren't an army, and you know it.
They're an instrument, unique in the galaxy in fact.
>Where the hell were they when Horus reached Terra?
>Unless they're the reason why it became a siege instead of an utterly one sided Sweep Advance

I can't blame Emps for wanting his boys to be the very best, like no other ever were
To conquer the galaxy is their real test
The Emperor is their cause

They will travel across realspace
Searching far and wide
Each Primarchmon to collect.
The power that is inside


Erhm, I'm getting sidetracked, thing is we cannot trust players to not bring a huge force of Custodian Tanks, and restricting their use would be outright opression to the fanbase.

>>51576154
Correct.

>>51576217
But Custodes aren't Primarch tier.

>>51576164
He looks nice with that eye in the center of his face. A true cyclops.

>>51576146
Because Primarchs were a mistake, anon :^)
>>51576217
What are jetbikes?
>>51576241
This. They're so above them :^)

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>51575850
Oh god, it's that anon again.

Marines have plenty of answers, FoTL will kill one or two, you have arty, quads and volkite to spam wounds on the guys and have much more flexibility at range.
You're just extremely vulnerable to being smacked out of CC and swept, since most of their melee is designed specifically to kill you.

>>51575918
Yep, contents page pic related. Cool new tonk for the Reductor and Taghmata, if slightly overcosted IMO since it competes for HS slots with lots of things and Reductor already have similar options as mandatory troops.

>>51575933

Yeah, Scoria doesn't have Occularis, any other Archmagos save Decima and Draykavac can take them, and Reductor are juuust fine. Honestly I'd be taking Satarael instead of Scoria now, Scoria may still lose that duel about 48% of the time, and I'd rather deny him any points for that 66% while providing better buffs.
No idea about the combi-dudes, but at best they wound an automata on a 5+. Not the biggest threat ever for their cost, especially as at that range they WILL be charged and smacked down with Smash or Siege Wreckers if they fail, or at least pinned down forever.

>>51575944
I was Mathhammer Anon then, they can pick themselves Master of Ambush and infiltrate a couple big squads of dudes, or deepstrike in.

Tanks aren't TOO bad, they're fairly vulnerable to the vast majority of common anti-tank weapons already in use. A couple Krios Venators, Sicaran Venator or Lightnings will still do their job just fine.

Honestly I think the best army against them is Ordo Reductor, Intercepting artillery, big Adsec or allied Milita screens, Thallax to deny infiltration and Myrmidons and Macrocarids to kill off specific targets and drown the enemy in Fleshbane wounds.

>>51576241
their generic HQ is

>>51576285
>Marines have plenty of answers, FoTL will kill one or two, you have arty, quads and volkite to spam wounds on the guys and have much more flexibility at range.
i already disproved all those things yesterday. 300 IF bolter shots = 3 dead hektarari. quad mortars wont do shit they arent ap2.

try actually coming up with an argument.

>>51566996
Are we going to have to have the page from the BRB on standby for retards like you?

Novas are a sub-type of Witchfire, it's the same with Beams.

>>51576303
>>51576241
Only Valdor is supposed to roughly be.

And he's pretty good too so maybe he could hold his own against some of the weaker primarchs, if some mathammer anons can confirm.

>>51576449
It's stupid that a generic Tribune embarrassingly outperforms both Valdor AND most Primarchs.

Even fighting Scoria comes down to a coin flip, it's not hard to see where they fucked up. It's all caused by that re-rolling 3++, that kind of shit is what you expect from 40k cheese Smashfucker builds, not 30k.

>>51576331
3 dead Heks is pretty nice, and it's a lot closer to 4. Remember those are nearly 100pts each.
Also, they're the toughest to kill with wound spam because 3W, they'll be the ones taking artillery to the face instantly. Pick any other Custodes squad and they lose a couple dudes to one 20-man FoTL.
As for the mortars, the shields and invulns mean that an AP2 wound is only slightly more effective than a non-AP2 wound, so just dumping a whole bunch of accurate blasts on them is decent, 3" coherency or not, and if they dropped in with DS they are nicely bunched up for you.

>>51576449

Valdor is basically identical to Alpharius when it comes down to the punching, except his T5 means he is wounded easier. I guess he could hold his own for a while, but I wouldn't expect him to be winning too many. Good thing too, for his price.

>>51576522
cuckstode HQ is actually more broken than smashfucker since hes just as durable and has double the offensive output

>>51576534
so what you are saying is that the only way a legion list can stand up to them, without spamming knights or bikes (and running away), is to run ironfire and even then its a coinflip?

nd thats not a problem with game balance?

>>51574230
Wrong rule. That's for the Caestus. Misericordia is the Custodes little Ap3 power knife.

>>51576616
No its not.

>>51576681
Yes it is! Gimme (You)s!
>>51575319

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WIP salamander and white scar for my legions diorama. Just finished washes, now a big cleanup is due.

I fucking hate white.

>>51576285
oh well didnt see it
the model is quite nice

>>51576681
It is, FW being FW forgot to put their rules in the book but I know that the 40k Custodes get a Power Knife which is S:User AP3 and it makes sense that FW would give them the same thing but with a proper name that doesn't sound gay as fuck.

Unfortunately they fucked up actually putting the stats in the book.

>>51576587
The hell kind of tactician are you?
>Yes, we must be able to take the insanely expensive, punchy and slow Custodian Guard in a close-range slugging match (where they excel) with no suitable heavy support without moving away from them at all or the game is imbalanced?

What do you run, vets in Rhinos AL with no big guns or something?

OK then, use Dreadnoughts. They'll beat them up nicely before anything that can damage them can swing, although if you're meleeing Custodians I'd expect you to lose anyway.

Kite them, feed them squads worth a third of theirs to hold them up a bit while you hold objectives and pick away at their small squads and fire support, then there's one or two big melee deathstars that can't actually do anything meaningful.

Your "Unbeatable List" will be slowly whittled down and incapable of killing anything beyond the couple squads you landed on, and god forbid there's any artillery or tarpits AT ALL, not just full Ironfire or you'll lose half of one of those every turn or have one made entirely useless for half the game and denied even that initial kill.

>>51576716
Its not ap3, its just a CCW and yes its the knife Custodes have. Its a badge of office more than a weapon, its the Emperors mercy.

>>51576681
Logically, would they really give them both "bulky" and "not!bulky" rules instead of, you know, not give them bulky at all?

>>51576749
nice, everyone hates white
good/10

>>51576774
>FW
>Logically
>Pick one.

>>51576774
It would keep them from loading into an allied Rhino. I'm not sure why you'd do that, but this would stop it. Perhaps there's some other rules interaction they fixated on instead of noticing the possibility for rerollable 3++.
But, yeah, I think Misericordia is the dagger.

>>51576770
>OK then, use Dreadnoughts.
yeah because cuckstodes wont have a s10 fistor 3 in every squad

they infiltrate and have a 3" coherency, they could just form a line and cover the whole table

>>51576770
Problem with that is they have "Dreadnought+2" with the S:D attacks on the charge that has like 7 attacks total, so they can sic that on your Dread of choice and destroy it no question.

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Putting the masking tape on that leg was a bitch, what's with all the bolts and ridges. Happy with how it came out.
The second one is flatter but the plate goes all the way around, that's going to be weird to make sure all the stripes are aligned.

>>51576884
Heh, we've got an Abaddon of our own!

a 10 man cuckstode unit forming a line with 3" coherency is like 45", good luck templating that or running away from that

>>51576905
With all those fidly bits, cables and tubes all over the model, I'd be mad to pin the arms before I'm done painting completely.

>>51576824
OK,, you want to spread out anywhere between a third and half your army, 12 bodies minimum, using two or all three of your Infiltrator squads JUST to form a line 18" from my deployment zone to stop me moving past? I will gladly rapid fire everything into one of those and blow it to hell, then move everything towards the hole and take you on piecemeal. You can literally move less than two models down the line, even on the charge half the squad won't be able to engage, and I can pick where I want my big stompy thing to hit so that your fist only swings after I've gone twice.

>>51576874
Yeah, those are a problem, but there's a reason Laser Destroyers or Graviton weapons exist, and Lightning fighters. If anything, it's easier to handle than the 3 or 4 basic Custodes it costs, and again that's either the last Infiltrate or it won't reach me for a bit, don't think it can deepstrike. Could be wrong there, though.

>>51576931
We get it anon, you're an autist and you're mad. But it's time to move on now.

>>51569178
Damn, and I thought that psi-titan was for TS...
Is there a way for an army to get a LoW from another one/Talons/etc?

>>51576931
42.75"

>>51575641
thanks!

>>51577093
The Psi-titan is available to other armies. Don't have it's page open, so I can't give you the exact wording of the rule.

>>51577154
I do happen to have the page open and it says it can be taken by any Age of Darkness army of the Loyalist faction.

Heretics BTFO

Anybody have the picture of the Black-Armored Custodes?

>>51563861
I really cant decide to go for 1ksons or wolves
part of me wants to do wolves because, at least accourding to the poll last thread, fucking everyone wants to play 1ksons
but on the other hand that the 1ksons rules and the guard of the crimson king row looks really cool and the wolves rules seem just a little meh
send help /hhg/

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>>51575651
Yep

51576931
Kill two in the middle, and they waste a movement phase going back into coherency.

>>51576749
Not that the whole project hasn't been stunning and these two additions aren't great, and it's probably moot considering how far along you are with them

But I can't look at the Scars' scimitar without instantly seeing it as the dark Eldar sword it is. Did you consider alternatives? Just wanted to get rid of it from your bitz box?

Read Ordo Sinister Titan fluff.
GRIMDARK.
That's for I love warhammer for. GW could add soem grimdarkness into their newest realises.

>>51576952
maybe if you played the game you'd care, faggot.
>>51576944
>I will gladly rapid fire everything into one of those and blow it to hell,
killing 3 models isnt 'blowing it to hell'

>>51577154
Cool, thanks!

>>51577188
>Loyalists
Craaaaap

Wait, are the 9 traitor legions considered traitors since book 1? I mean, book 7 is about the battle of prospero, when TS weren't traitors yet. Would they be able to get one?

>>51577246
>killing 3 models isnt 'blowing it to hell'

Out of how many in a 2000pt army? 20?.

>>51577271
You do know they fought against the psi-titans on prospero right?
Also, there are 12 in the whole galaxy, TSons aint getting shit.

>>51577274
yeah, it takes 80 imperial fists firing fury of the legion to kill like 4 models out of the 20... and the 16 left alive are going to be getting a charge and stomping everything

>>51577291
Ugh, didn't know that...
oh well

>>51577297
* to kill 3 of them

>>51577228
That's a good point.

>>51577209
Sorry, I pick my armies based on fluff.

51577297
Reminder your precious custards are never going to catch anything
>but but infiltrate
Cool, you start 18" away rather than 24", so scary.

>>51577322
>move 6 inches, run
>guaranteed turn 2 charges
>hurr never gonna catch anything
braindead

>>51577297
Hey, you didn't unreasonably swear at someone, call them a name or write cuckstodes or ksons in that post, good job!
When do you think you'll start using capital letters and periods?

>>51577193
The one from inferno is in the last thread iirc. The picture of one half-painted by an anon from ages is several threads back.

Lol just play custards then you nerd.

51577339
Riiiiiight, I'm not allowed to move my models now?
I guess I'm not allowed to shoot either, congrats on winning that math without your opponent actually doing anything.

>>51577380
>Riiiiiight
back to tumblr kid
>>51577356
when you actually play the game.
>>51577358
i am, doesnt mean they arent gamebreaking.

51577392
>spewing buzzwords
Nice counter argument.

>>51577392
>i am

Then theres no problem here, move along.

>>51577339
I like how the enemy just stands there and waits to get murdered. Protip: quite a lot of legions players utilise a thing called a "rhino". Using the "rhino" they can reposition their troops around the table, faster than footslogging melee units can catch. Now, one can flood the board with melee dudes so there's nowhere to run that isn't in charge range of something, (world eaters like to do this, and it looks like space wolves may go for it too,) but
>custodes
>flooding the board

>>51577380
Fucking hell man, learn to reply.

Speaking of gamebreaking Custards, got a fun list for them planned out involving Militia and Cults

>>51577430
It's funny, because we can all tell it's the same anon now posting his "custodes are so balanced and not op waaaaaa"

>>51577430
He's trying not to give him (you)'s.

>>51577422
I reckon the best SW tactic will be to take as many models with Warrior's Mettle as possible so they can run and charge, and take Russ or the RoW for guaranteed Howl of the Death Wolf.

Custards aside, do you guys have any plans on dealing with Magnus?

>>51577464
Shoot him mostly. Sisters of silence shut him dowm real fast also.

>>51576931
Just fucking assault that fucking line with 2 units, preferably fucking tarpit units, in each fucking end, and due to the fucking coherency rules, the fucking ten man unit can't fucking pile in! It will be fucking stretched thin and unable to do much!

Like, do you even T A C T I C S you fucking fvck?!

>>51577422
Mate, he quite blatantly doesn't actually play and just comes up with mathhammer spooky stories, completely unaware of how much like a complete mongoloid he sounds. Just poke him for fun and watch what kind of shit drips out of his face, there's no real point in trying to get him to see sense, every time his screeching has been answered with practical and actual game info he switches to some new effulence.
Just ignore or shitpost back, he's an idiot.

>>51577464
>how to deal with the model that can't be hit and pumps out more D than a warlord
Hit the model with a hammer.

>>51577232
I wanted to do a Chinese style spear, with scrolls fluttering around on it ( as well as give my emperors child a grey knight spear, and the night lord a chain Glaive), but then I realised it'd be odd to have 3 with big sticks pointing out if I'm ranking them eventually on a stand.

Then I tried chainswords, powerswords, blunt weapons, lightning claws etc. none of it looked distinctively Asian and duelist which were the two things I wanted. i even tried carving a samurai sword out of plasticard but it looked odd. Sadly I'm stuck with this.

>>51577419
no, its still gamebreaking

>>51577498
You could have had him popping a wheelie.

On foot.

Skilled Rider without a bike, fuck yeah.

>>51577492
This. Strength H hit.

>>51577516
(You)

Whats the best way to run a leviathan? At some point I'll have all the weapon options and magnetise it, but for the moment Im stuck with one loadout. So storm cannon and claw or the melta lance?

>>51577482
It's annoying that brunt of TSs are BoS, so reducing his WC will be a pain. I guess focusing characters is a way to go, or trying to tarpit him with something that can reach him.

>>51577464
Well, I'm planning on putting together a detachment of sisters of silence (I really like their rules) so I'm kind of cheating by bringing the hard counter.

Speaking of which, can I stick a calladius grav-tank into a detachment of sisters of silence? I know the sisters have a rule that you need a sisters HQ to bring any of their stuff, but can't remember if the same is true of custodes.

>>51577498
I didn't mean to niggle at a point you've obviously weighed the options on thoroughly. Cannot wait to see the completed project, Anon.

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>>51577357
No

>>51577232
I think its really the notches at the back that make it look very DE. Maybe filling them might change the look significantly.

>>51577542
Are you giving it a drop pod? If not, I'd probably go for the storm cannon, the extra range makes it harder to outmanoeuvre.

>>51576164
Oh shit, full pic where?

>>51577488
i didnt say i was going to run them 45" wide, i said that you COULD. and against certain lists you would.

all im hearing from camp cuckstode is
>nuh uh dey r balanced
without any math backing up anything, since all the math shows they are broken as shit.

>>51577492
that's in the name of the game after all

>>51577575
My thoughts exactly.

>>51577580
No pod yet, can't afford it and the dread one isnt available at the moment.

I think Im with you on the storm cannon, it is the best looking option too.

51577596
See >>51577228

>>51577573
Highlight the black and then wash and highlight the coloured sections and that'll actually look pretty nice.

>>51577622
Not my pic, just saved it because he was right. In the end he stripped it and painted it auric.

Apparently my DG were loyalists after all. Now I just need to figure out a nice SoS allied detachment for them.

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>>51577573
I like the black, purp, and white look.

Very praetorian guard, like in gladiator.

>>51577573
>how to waste a beautiful model

>>51577654
He's got Russel Crowe's face under that helmet.

>>51577590
There isnt one, it was a teaser at the end of the angelus seminar.

>>51577596
(You)

>>51577620
For fuck sake man, just put a fucking trip on while you're at it. All you have to do is click the fucking number

>>51577696
expecting subhumans from B&C to understand game balance or basic posting skills is overestimating them.

>>51577675
You do realize it never went beyond a WIP, right?
And it's been canon since before 30k was a game, with those black custodes
-> >>51575650

Want to break the table and the custodes? Use this fun list

2500 points Militia and Cults

HQ
Force commander
+Feral Warriors, Cult Horde
+Iron Halo, Cyber Familiar, Digital Laser, Planetary Overlord, Power Fist
185 points

Elites
Enginseer Auxilia
+Enginseer Adept, +4 Servo-arm
95

Troops (the fun part)
Inducted Levy Squad
+30 Inducted Levys (49 total)
+Replace Auxilia Rifles with Close Combat Weapons, Frag Grenades, Blade and Fury
135

Inducted Levy Squad
+30 Inducted Levys (49 total)
+Replace Auxilia Rifles with Close Combat Weapons, Frag Grenades, Blade and Fury
135

Inducted Levy Squad
+30 Inducted Levys (49 total)
+Replace Auxilia Rifles with Close Combat Weapons, Frag Grenades, Blade and Fury
135

Inducted Levy Squad
+30 Inducted Levys (49 total)
+Replace Auxilia Rifles with Close Combat Weapons, Frag Grenades, Blade and Fury
135

Inducted Levy Squad
+30 Inducted Levys (49 total)
+Replace Auxilia Rifles with Close Combat Weapons, Frag Grenades, Blade and Fury
135

Inducted Levy Squad
+30 Inducted Levys (49 total)
+Replace Auxilia Rifles with Close Combat Weapons, Frag Grenades, Blade and Fury
135

Fast Attack
Thunderbolt, Ground Tracking Auguries
210

Thunderbolt, Ground Tracking Auguries
210

Heavy Support
3xLeman Russ Demolisher with Dozer Blade
495

3xLeman Russ Demolisher with Dozer Blade
495

Have fun with 300 fearless goons who do not give a single fuck about morale, and have 3 attacks base. The La Brea Tarpit of Army Lists. PS: Vehicles are only there for clean up duty. Whatcha gonna do, Custodes? Send in the next wave!

51577696
51577726
You two one seem pretty mad.

>>51577675
I think it would have been stunning if the anon had actually done the whole squad, and got past the basecoat phase.

>>51577392
>>51577433


Yep, that was my plan as well. Fill my entire deployment zone bar the bits with arty and robots (Reductor main, Milita allies) and form a max coherency line at the front. Engage his stupid skirmish line in melee, then watch as any of his deepstriking units have to almost certainly mishap or land behind the melee, get exploded by Medusae and then contribute nothing but stabbing a couple cultists. The only units that could possibly kill anything important are the few that don't arrive until T3 or 4 when most of his dudes have killed the majority of the blobs and cleared some space, and I can easily have two Myrmidon squads to clean them up. In the meantime, all the mandatory Thallax he can't catch are running around, scoring points, picking at bolterstodes or tanks and winning me the game.

>>51577596

You cannot move more than 12" a turn unless it's the one you deepstrike in. It's entirely reasonable that one 20 tac squad could match your skirmish line and waste an entire turn cutting through them, and you have nothing aside from powerfists that can hu AV14. If one Medusa lands a hit on a deepstriking 5 man squad, you can reasonably expect to lose upwards of 100pts.

A Milita blob can pin down that entire 800pt Hem deathstar with models worth 45 times less. That renders it entirely useless for at least 2 turns, and including the one it Infiltrates that's half the game. They may even kill a single one and make all their points back. Enough maths for you?

>>51577747

Yeah, that. 325 pt allied detachment:

Force Commander, Tainted weapon (55)
Provenances: Cult Horde and Tainted Flesh (70pts)

50 Levies (100)
50 Levies (100)

Give the Levies frags if you want to hit before Fists, but that's no big deal.

>>51577464
My advice is to blitz him and tarpit him in melee.

Also save your deny dice for invisibility if he even gets it somehow. Force perils so the army gets pinned

>>51577317
And then like me you picked imperial fists and they rock... Serves me for having a bolter hardon

>>51577556
Not that I recall. However, if you want to use the Unit HQ, the detacent needs to be <500 points, which is hard with the golden boys.

>that one guy getting platinum mad at 'cuckstodes'

honestly this is just entertaining now

>>51577188
Where I can find if a model is loyalist of traitor? Age of Darkness Army List tells us each model will have such indication on its text, but as far as I can see, no unit has such thing exposed

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>>51577908
I have discovered a remembrancer sketch of him labouring at his cogitator.

>>51577951
To correct myself, just spotted some titans with such text. But couldn't find that kind of text, eyes or aquilas on ultramarines or word bearers, for example

could someone post the imgur for the rout
has a look through the last couple of threads and couldnt find it

>>51578016
Word Bearers don't have them because everything WB is auto-traitor, it's on the page with the LA rule.

>>51578028
Did you actually try ctrl+f for imgur in the last few threads?

>>51578002
Keked!

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Not sure whether this will work, but it should be this PDF.

>The Rout
Not going to engender much love by using the snowflake names, anon. :)

>>51578076
Meant for >>51578028

>>51578076
But Space Wolves itself is a snowflake name given by the rest of the imperium.

The only non-snowflake name is Vlka Fenryka.

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so you in the club and this faggot slaps your primarchs ass, wat do?

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>>51565749
Kek, who gives a fuck. They could say it was an unintentional look-alike and that it's ultimately a subjecting matter that in no way affects revenue.

>>51578105
I prefer Sky or Star Warriors much more.

>>51578076
thanks anon
eh, maybe im just fanboying a bit too much, but never liked the name and the snowflake names just sit better with me

>>51578108
Shoot him with an infiltrating warhound that has 3" coherency so blasts don't work on it.

>>51578105
Well, the Vlka call themselves The Rout, don't they?
Besides, Space Wolves is their low gothic name. I like Luporum Astra better.

>>51578137
>giving cuck-anon (You)s
To what end?

>>51578176
>The Rout
*rut

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>>51578194
I lost

>>51578176
>Luporum Astra
That's pretty good too, Vlka Fenryka sounds more Nordic imo.

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>>51578108
I do like the less fancy chest piece and leather strap apron (fuck me, I can never remember its name). Seriously thinking of seeing if I could convert a few of them to sword and board dudes. Get some assault terminator sergeant storm shields (for the elongated crux look), sentinel blades, some custodes helmets, maybe make a mould of the custodes back to get the vents, and add some cables and techy bits.

>>51578233
>Vlka Fenryka sounds more Nordic imo.
Well of course it does. High gothic is not!Latin, while Fenrisian would be like old saxon or whatever the norse spoke.

>>51578105
What is it with Forge World and marine chapters with Space [Insert Animal] as their name? They renamed the Space Sharks and they're pushing two new names on the Space Wolves.

Thank god Salamanders weren't Space Salamanders.

>>51578271
the majority of my cuckstode army is going to be converted shitmarines (and chinese recasts) solely to increase the level of asspain they will generate.

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Finished it, now I just need to get the artscaled squad up to 10 strong.

How often do you guys actually see primarchs on the table?

>>51576164
>still dies easly to Leman Russ
If Leman Russ has something to shoot down the psychic powers Magnus is as good as dead.

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>>51578335
I've seen plenty of "artscale" marines using terminator bits, and not only the legs but also that terminator gorget.
I'm biased pro-gorgets, but that's one of MkVIII's defining traits.
IDK, your stuff is too well painted for me to care about MK8, which looks good in the first place.
Stop making me so armour-confused, Clown-Rhino anon!

>>51578105
>Space Wolves itself is a snowflake name

No. Space Wolves is the proper name.
Anything else is wet leopard growl tier.

>>51578108
Give him the D

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>>51578403
Clearly it's from a small subsidiary Forge World working with a non-standard pattern, because 'more armour' is always a good thing.

Also, thanks.

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>>51578403
>one of MkVIII's defining traits

MkVIII confirmed for 30k.

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>>51578501
Do not think I've forgotten Ashen Circles I did, but they are excused as they're wearing MkII-to-MkIII transition armour, and are a legion specific unit, and destroyers no less. Hell, they even have those Sol-Harrier jump packs.
All the things I like.

>>51578002
and he keeps going!

Chances of him actually following through with building an army out of stormcast?

I doubt it

>>51578367
Most people in my meta and local stores that play legions with models own then and run them in 2.5-3k pretty regularly, myself included

>>51578044
I see. Thousand Sons are missing such wording, so could I consider then Loyalists in some games and Traitor in others?

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Stuff.

>>51578566
im doing it, ive got tons of bits for it and for like 60 bucks worth of shitmarines or chinese custodes recasts i could have another 30k army, why wouldnt i?

just because im smart enough to realize they are broken, doesnt mean im nice enough not to make an army of them.

>>51578623
>varagyr
>knotwork
wulfen confirmed

>>51578651
Oh, behave.

>>51578588
Yes, up to and including Magnus.
51578633
I look forward to seeing people come here complaining about some guy proxying stormcasts as custodes and proceeding to stomp them since he has no grasp of tactics.

>>51578623
>SW basic Troop unit get several kits to cover marines with bolters, marines with pistols and CCWs, marines with power weapons, marines with power fists, marines with shields, marines with lightning claws and marines with thunder hammers

I'm sorry I feel like Militia could do with a kit for lasrifles or shotguns. It's wrong of me to ask such basic things while there's Wolves who are suffering because there aren't any place they could get all those rare Marine pieces.

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>>51578651
Take the knot!

>>51578474
Sooo what's the difference between those two?
Land raider parts?

>>51578633
>another army

What do you have currently?

>>51578735
There are many, many stores selling 28" infantry models of every army imaginable, what could FW's militia and cult models bring except less versatility for 3-5x the price?

>>51578755
How DO they braid their hair so finely?

>>51578730
>some guy proxying stormcasts as custodes

You know that this is happening right this moment. Somewhere some WAACfag is feverishly assembling those stigmarines he never got rid of, just spraying them gold and dunking them in a wash whilst having a boner at the thought of the amount of games he's gonna win.

This is what you have created FW.

>>51578776
Left is an original size Rhino, right is a modern one with the FW Deimos kit.

>>51578755
I like SW having to struggle against the curse of the wulfen, not unlike the BA. Noble astartes, lost to a flawed geneseed and falling from that thin line where one isn't a man anymore, but a living weapon...

But those fucking things are ridiculous. They look like some sort of furry enthusiasts.

>>51578784
I'd love to make a Militia army out of 3rd party kits, except that I then couldn't play in any GW store or event, or share them on any GW-leaning or run site.

>>51578796
>stigmarines
Aren't those White Scars?

>>51578796
>This is what you have created FW.
Idk, even if someone built Magnus from the official mini, used official paints and official tools I'd still complain about how broken he is.

>>51578823
You've got a good eye. +1BS to your Warlord.

>>51578819
Well you couldn't do that with Forgeworld models or rules anyway.

Just bought 15 sisters. I guess I'll have to start painting my marines before I have too many models to paint again.

>>51578810
I think they look cool

>>51578782
100 inductii WE horde + terminators and enough extra marines lying around on sprue to make a 2nd legion

also 40k armies

>>51578810
New fluff even has the SW embracing Wulfen as their final form or something. Or at least, the SW seeing the Wulfen re-appearing and accelerating the mutation into Wulfen of still normal SW as a bad thing were in the minority.

>>51578847
pics or it didn't happen

>>51577154

On the off-chance that you ever know anybody who will ever buy a giant £1200 robot man *and* expects people to actually play against his 24" radius Witchfire, self-repairing 30HP, and Ignores Cover StrD/Poison 2+/Poison 4+ AP1/2/3 15" mega-blast of balls-punching.

The design studio knew that nobody was ever, ever going to actually field the Psi-Titan, but sadly I think they also thought 'pah, nobody plays 30k for non-Legion armies, we can make the Custodes insane too, they'll only be played in narrative scenarios'. Mwap mwap.

>>51578871
i dont post pics on a catonese datamining forum

>>51578633
your anger is hilarious

>>51578892
Alright so you are confirmed just baiting and lying, please get a trip so we can all filter you, no more replies 4 u.

>>51578861
>one of us, one of us

>>51578845
Stop liking what I don't like, anon.
Because I don't like that either.

>>51578892
so you don't then, what a surprise

>>51578861
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGHHHHH.

>>51578367
All the damned time, which as a Reductor player is fun. My 3-man Destructor squad have racked up about 5 Primarch kills now, and I only got them three months ago and don't play often.
Thinking if I ever make that Genetor Whale-Stormbird (Might be a fun Xmas project sometime if I can get my Reductor fully kitted over this year) I should keep track of the kills and add some decorative Malinax banners to the thing. Would make it less plain, too.

That's going in the ideas book, methinks.

Anyway, the vast majority have Primarchs and I don't have Scoria, for obvious reasons. Thinking about converting him from an Arachnarok Spider just to look cool.
The NL player and the EC player won't stop charging them into my line on foot, which is hilarious. At least ECbro seems to be learning, but I've killed Curze 4 times now.

>>51578920
They'd be better with different heads. The SW beakie helmets are cool as shit. But then they have that stupid thing about "muh sense of smell."

>>51578902
>>51578937
no, i do. im just not compromising my OPSEC by posting plastic toys on the gayest board on this site, sorry.

>>51578960
People are so used to Primarchs being unkillable that they charge them into grav without a though.

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>>51578967
I guess so, but if it depended on me I'd place them in contention-armour and shepard them towards the enemy, unleashing them like, you know, attack wolves, before cuffing them at the battle's end.

Like those BA Death Company Chaplains, but with more runes and chains.
Looooots of chains.

>>51578996
wow! So convincing!

>>51579026
>Looooots of chains
L-lewd.

>>51579033
Anon, just stop, let it go.

>>51579033
go back to banging rocks together on B&C while struggling to build a list

>>51578996
Silly cuck-anon, your OPSEC was compromised from the moment you turned on your first electronic device ever :^)

>>51579011
Pretty much, and I suspect that the EC player is so used to Primarch duels that he forgets that he's only got a 5++ at range. So far, two deaths to the Myrmidons and one to a Medusa after he tried to tank the shell. Admittedly he failed 5/5 5++ saves, which was a little bullshit, but happens to the best of us.

>>51579033
Don't reply anymore, anon.

>>51579026
Wolves are all about "running free," though. Then again, it'd be some bitter irony--their minds are chained to their bodies, imprisoned and unable to act "freely," reduced to animalism.

>>51579066
>i never posted those things, prove it, (((they))) edited my posts. im writing a satire book
:^)

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>>51578810
I know, anon, but cut GW some slack, it's not like they've ever sculpted cool looking Wulfen before and have a reference point to start their work...

>>51579087
Some nerve you have!
And claiming morale superiority
Very clever of you
Enough of this, alright?

Moreover, this is a childish attitude
Especially for you.

;'^)

>>51579132
It would have been so easy to make cool-looking, lore-friendly plastic wulfen...

>>51579132

What the fuck happened for those sculpts to be replaced with the derpy shit we got from Warzone Fenris?

>>51579132
Stop rustling my jimmies, anon!
>>51579070
Precisely.

>>51577271
There can be Loyalist traitors and traitor LOYALISTS in each legion. So yes, you can take it if you don't want any special characters.

On that note, how good are TS using Orphans of.Betrayal at countering Magnus? That shred will help Heavy Bolters, and they can reliably sent that invisibility bull.

>>51579150
what should my second legion be? i want them to be big guy themed :^)

+1S+1T blackshields?

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>>51579201
>+1S+1T blackshields?
An entire army of """True"""-scales
You didn't read the first letter of each sentence, did you?

>>51578327
"Space [animal]" is a stupid way to name chapters/legions and the new ones sound better.

>>51578588
So far their only presence in the FW books is in the Battle of Prospero, and they hadn't explicitly taken sides at that point. We're basically seeing Crusade-era Thousand Sons.

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We better see 10 different infantry kits each for BA, DA, and WS now that the special snowflake yiffs get so much more attention than any of the preceding legions, even the smurfs
>yes I am mad

>>51579237
i did, but they expect one of us in the wreckage brother.

i was thinking ether chymeriae or death guard for maximum gassing

>>51579264
but their rules are terrible(minus Russ), fair trade in my book.

"We didn't know how to wolf wolf, so here's a bunch of glitter to dazzle you."

How are we going to prepare for the upcoming CUSTODESCUSTODESCUSTODES meta?

>>51576217
With Eternal Warrior and a better invul who gives a shit?

>>51578796
And like the big boy I am, I'd simply refuse to play against him.
Remind me again why is that a problem?

>>51579266
Chymeriae for maximum over-rustling. People kind of expect DG to be big guys because muh endurance, even if they were resistant to toxins and biological agents instead of to bullets.

In fact it was the AL who were big guys.

>>51579264
No. In fact, we reconsidered it.
Due to a lack of positive response, we're taking out the Tyrant termies from sale. Evidently, more brass stars are needed.
t. FW

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>>51579168
I think they decided to go for a more "animal" look than "bestial" and combined with their current idea of "dynamic posing" it added together to be completely retarded.

Also a bit of power creep. They needed weapons since rending marines just wasn't going to cut it anymore.

Drives me nuts too, because I loved the way King portrayed wulfen back in Space Wolf.

>>51578861
God I miss the 13th company fluff. There is how to put Wulfen in the fore without making it fucking stupid.

>Every marine in the late stages of Curse
>Some gone proper feral but still pack animals with slight semblance of humanity, responding to Wolf Priests
>All other marines so badass that they keep the curse in check, just barely.
>Advances stages of Curse is what kept them stable after all that time in the Eye and unshielded warp travel using The Gate.

So good.

>>51579317
Same way we did to the Bitterfire Meta. Ignore it mostly.

>>51579353
And most fucking importantly:

>Still have regular fucking feet that you can actually walk 2legged on.

>>51577222
FW why can't you print a book with a major cock up?

>>51579339
>Chymeriae for maximum over-rustling. People kind of expect DG to be big guys because muh endurance, even if they were resistant to toxins and biological agents instead of to bullets.
ill probably use them as both 2bh since im going to do them in a rusted metal theme, probably.

i also kind of want to go IF but yellow would probably be fucking annoying. ill have to test it first.
>In fact it was the AL who were big guys.
nah they are little (((hotheads)))

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>>51578327
Srsly, I think there was a (mobile?) game where you could pick your chapter and their names were in high gothic.
Astartes Ultra, Angelis Tenebrae and such.

We tolerate the Salamanders because they're bros, but theirs is a dumb name too.

But wolves and shark are powerful animals. Predators. Fit for a 80's toy soldier game :^)

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>>51579277
>but their rules are terrible

>>51579382
British labor policies and culture.

>>51577747
Couldn't the Slavstode just kill enough in combat on the charge that you can't make base to base... then do it all again, in your turn, and wipe them? Before they do it all again. What is the average damage output of 5 Slavstode Slavs on the charge?
And I am assuming the Grav tanks kill your tanks turn one with helioslav shots, or whatever.

>>51579277
Are their rules actually bad or are they just not able to do woof-woof death stars in 30k and they have to play like the other kids do?

>>51579373
Fuck you I'm going to be making pillar-man conversions.

>>51579485
they are a melee horde army that is worse in CC than WE/NL/EC

>>51578823
Ayy lmao.
Well played good sire

>>51579510
>this meme
I always saw the SWs as hunters that got turned into >muh melee >muh wolfs later on, or am I just in the minority?

>>51579317
Refuse games that have presidium shield captains.

Other than that, not care. Maybe take a typhon.

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>>51579510
You suspiciously forgot the BA (who are good at ranged too) and focused on the traitors.
Your Emperor-shilling shows.

>>51578755
Knot is supposed to mean cock, right?

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>>51579577
Yes, I'm afraid so.

>>51579543
i was just saying what their are
>>51579560
fuck BA :^). but yes, BA are better than them too

>>51579469
What? Why?
What does that have to do with hiring competent people, and not some loser you drink with who "totally has a community college degree in graphic design dawg!!" to work on the books?

Am I right in thinking a pure talons of the emperor list has no skyfire whatsoever? I guess a number of their vehicles have TL weapons firing 3 or 4 shots, which will help in a pinch, but can't think of anything in the list that actually has the skyfire rule.

(And no, the psi-titan's haywire explosion doesn't count.)

>>51579478
They could theoretically chew a levy blob out of combat, especially if they were strung out to cover ground, but that's still wasted a lot of time for a squad that expensive, and if ONE survives to B2B then they're still all locked up. If the squads are arranged with a proper front two ranks and then the rest in max space-covering mode behind them to fill space I don't see it being a problem. Also, they have a very limited number of dudes and therefore attacks, so they actually struggle a lot taking down enough bodies to clear every single one in attack range before I3 Pile In.

Also, just wasted a turn wiping out the remnants of 100pts of dudes. If it's a big squad that may well be worth right there.

Custodes have the regular FOC, right? I don't see them being that good in competitive stuff, but man are they fucking cool

2,000 points Custodes

HQ (225)
Shield Captain
>Paragon Spear, Cyber-Familiar, Teleportation Transponder

Elites (665)
Hetaeron Guard
>4 Custodes, Solerite Gauntlets, Praesidium Shields, Teleportation Transponders

Hetaeron Guard
>Paragon Blades, Praesidium Shields

Troops (880)
Sentinel Guard Squad
>5 Custodes, Coronus Grav-Carrier

Sentinel Guard Squad
>5 Custodes, Coronus Grav-Carrier

Heavy Support (210)
Caladius Grav-Tank
>Heavy Blaze Cannon

>>51579543

Have you read Prospero Burns? Wolves were always going for that CC.

>>51565458
Nah he has definite Germanic bone structure - just shop his head on a Wehrmacht uniform

>>51579624
Because it's unwise to think a bolter can defeat a guy with a bolter and mindbullets.
I also like SW as Hunters, but berzerkers are cool too, and would be fluffy for them.

Just not this werewolf Twilight bullshit.

>>51565749
They already stated guilliman was based on mark strong

>>51579510
Sure, but their troops can run and charge in the same turn, combined with Howl of the Death Wolf is a really strong ability and will probably see them getting the charge most of the time

>>51579624
>Have you read Prospero Burns?
you mean where they killed the ksons by using wulfen?

>>51579660

They fought some non-imperial humans at the beginning of the book, they still went for melee.

>>51579682
wtf does howl of death even do? also run and charge doesnt work if you stick an apothecary in the unit, so phosphex will rape even harder

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>>51579623
>20 models and one tank at 2000pts

Damn, thats just begging to be brutalized and outmaneuvered. Looks good but be ready because the army does have major flaws in being outnumbered by every other army thats not legio cybernetica.

I am ready to kill custodes by the fucking dozen, big guns never tire against a small and resilient army thats nound to come walking.

>>51579702
One turn army-wide Fleet.

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>>51579690
Because it's unwise to think a bolter can defeat a guy with a bolter and technology from the old night
:^)
In my very biased opinion, all marines should go for melee when possible, their advantage over mortals further increases in close quarters. Hell they were geneforged for that exact purpose.

>>51579702
For one turn in a game, everyone can reroll failed runs and charges.
It's a warlord trait, but Leman has it, and they have a RoW which grants it.

>>51579589
Reminds me of that time they renamed Lizardmen for AoS, but didn't bother googling the new name first.

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>>51579702
>wtf does howl of death even do?
It engages an overtime of the real awoo hours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKCi7it5NKQ

>>51579713
>>51579726
ehh its decent but not a game changer. the hvarkal guy giving 3 units scout is decent too.

it feels like the only SW option is just running hordes with all power weapons and no apothecaries so you can run and charge, problem is against anybody with phsophex/medusas/typhons or anybody running hordes of blackshields/WE/EC/NL/BA you just autolose.

>>51579623

Pretty much >>51579712
although despite having 3 tanks, you'll actually be outnumbered significantly by the Cybernetica if they are not idiots and take a couple Adsec blobs as normal.
It's a nice chill list, although I'd probably Master of Ambush in the Hets and Captain instead of deepstrike, less risky. If you mishap one squad to death, you're basically fucked immediately.

In with book was "have faith word bearer"?
I can't find it anywhere.

>>51579775
I disagree, Wolves are better used either with massed Drop Pods in orbital assault or using one of their RoWs with massed flyers and big grey slayer units plus support. You get mobility, better position to either charge, get charged or fire your combis plus the bonuses of their RoWs are +1 Reserve for whatevr flyer is in there and assault buffs when in enemy deployment zone.

Besides Wolves dont need to get the charge, you could stock up on shields and combis and drop in their zone, shoot shit and get a counter-charge when they come to you, which is a victory for the wolf in that scenario.

>>51579811
Book 3, Isstvan campaign where they were introduced.

>>51579607
I couldn't find any. I think they would struggle against my double fire raptor, storm raptor list.

>>51579725
That is one awesome piece of lore. God Damn which black book is that?

>>51579623
Why not take valdor for your hq is you're going DS?

>>51579712
>>51579798
Yeah, I was going for the low numbers thing, but it's preobably a good idea to siphon off some stuff and get at least another squad of something in there. It'll be fun for casual stuff though

I'm not going to get them because I'm not a fan of the models, but holy fuck those Jetbikes will kick people's shit in. 300 points for a chance at 9 S9 AP2 shots with a 36" range is fucking insane.

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>>51579900
It's HH1, anon. The best thing FW has published. Lots of fluff in there.

>>51579837
flyers are death traps since mortis and doritos are a thing and most gunlines take both. a pod list would get smashed by blobs of blackshields/WE/NL/EC/BA etc, gunlines would have interceptor because of apothecaries in their blobs and phosphex would still eat them.

SoH and UM probably pull of pods better

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I have been fiddling around with GIMP.

>>51580002
My eyes.

>>51579933
The first black book still has my favorite fluff, kept the universe grimdark like we know the franchise as a whole while adding in this weird yet awesome realism vibe

>>51576884
Is this for sale as pro painted as its right there in terms of sloppiness
Maybe take a year off the meth / cannabis before you paint