EDH/Commander General

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>>51529031
>What are your secret tech cards?

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For anyone who plays Noyan Dar.

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This card gets me so many cheeky land wipes

>>51529139
Wow, I can't believe I've never seen anyone use this before, looks like a real bitch.

To the anon that wanted Druids, there's always Seton. Don't forget your Paradox Engine so you can truly by Mystery of the Druids

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>>51529031
So I wanna build an interactive blue green deck that counters spells and generates value and shit. Either counter something each turn or draw cards with some fof like shit and get value off rashmi, not necessarily cheating anything remarkable into play all the time. What I'm wondering is two things:
What are some good ug flashy utility creatures like mystic snake and draining whelk?
What are some win conditions in such a deck, preferably fair with like one emergency combo?

Which should I get, a Cryptic Command or Pact of Negation? Pact lets me protect my combos without worrying about mana costs, but Command is generally more useful.

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>>51529031

>>51528695
>>51528695
I didn't have a chance to play it because I've not drawn into it yet but without Krak Clan Ironworks Thopter Foundry is pretty useful as a sac outlet for artifacts.

>>51529235
You have told us nothing about your deck or meta, so I am going to assume you are in 5c and take cryptic out of the running completely for that triple u.

Better luck next time.

How bad is mash shuffling for your sleeves? It's the only way I can shuffle with my little bitch hands.

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>>51529231
Here you go brohemian, my list:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-01-17-rashmi-control/

I don't run any flashy UG value creatures, they just don't do enough for the deck. The ones that are there very good at what they do.
I don't believe there's any viable win condition in group commander that isn't a form of combo, or heavy stax. So in that case I run top/helm/leyline of the future with laboratory maniac as a way of winning when I have control of the board. I can usually convince even very anti combo groups that this is necessary, as how else could I ever win the game? Sphinx beats?
If that's not your speed I suppose you could try a bit if spice like Helix pinnacle.

>>51529451
It's not.

>>51529451
DESU I think mash and pile shuffling are all anyone does with sleeves. Rifle shuffling a 100 card double sleeved monster seems impossible, not that I see anyone do it with 60 cards either.>>51529451

>>51529451
I mean you might hit the edges together just right and split a sleeve open, but I've been playing magic for 14 years and that's only happened to me once ever.

>>51529451
Grab both halves of the deck in each hand.
Set the middle of the length of one pile on the edge of the other pile.
Gently let the half touching the corner half "slide" together into one pile.

Do this a few times (4-5) then cut twice.

It's really simple

>>51529616
Not sufficiently random, IIRC you want to shuffle 20 times for a 100 card deck

Are there any notably good EDH viable instant speed burn/removal spells? I'm playing maelstrom wanderer face smash and I'd love something that can act both as an early removal and late game finisher. Basically I'd like to run lightning bolt but at higher cmc and impact. I've got warstorm surge in that "slot" right now but it seems a bit too win-morey and janky

>>51529717
>Instant speed burn
In EDH? Lol no. You can try your luck with some X spells, but that seems bad in Maelstrom.

>Removal
Hell yeah, stuff like beast within, pongify, rapid hybridization and krosan grip are all in your colors.

>>51529822
oh yeah, i forgot how blue also did low cmc creature destruction. funny how that's a thing. thanks

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>>51529031
>What are your secret tech cards?

Solid performer in Erebos.

Sometimes reanimating can't happen, and nobody expects Control Magic. Also sac outlet I guess

>>51529231

Mind's Dilation is a must have. It is such a fun card that can generate so much value for you.

When your opponent casts their first spell, it triggers Mind's Dilation, which has a good chance of netting you one of their spells, which you can cast for free. That triggers Rashmi, which means a card draw at worst and another free spell at best. Plus the spell from Rashmi resolves before the spell from Mind's Dilation which resolves before the spell your opponent cast in the first place meaning you have a ton of options on how you can react before the opponent can do anything. It's so fun.

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>>51530024

Forgot the card for reference.

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Why isn't this mentioned more often? It'll almost always get rid of something nasty and sometimes multiple things, no?

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>Secret Tech
>Capsize
>Rhystic Study
I use them both in almost all my EDH decks that run blue. To devastating value in nearly every game they turn up.

>>51530130
Personally, i enjoy using it cause it goes through hexproof and shroud but some people complain that it shouldn't get used cause of the vote system. I cram it in if there's space.

>>51529616
Your explanation is hard to understand.

>>51529221
>This card gets me so many cheeky land wipes
Do you actually benefit or is it just lmao MLD xD?

>>51530145
>Implying either one of those are secrets
>At all

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>>51529031
This is one of my favorites, I added it because someone was playing kruphix a lot and I wanted a way to deal with that and since it has performed well even against normal decks.

>>51530215
Both
>>51529253
>>51529974
are pretty solid.

>>51529974
Do yourself a favor and get a Helm of Possession.

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>>51530245
>I added it because someone was playing kruphix a lot and I wanted a way to deal with that
>adding cards to your deck specifically to counter one person

>>51529221
It's even better when you float your mana and flash in caller of the claw after the wipe. I've done that in karametra before and it was lmao

What's a good website to browse basic land art?

>>51530421
It's even better with a Titania in play.

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I'm looking to make a Breya deck.
Besides the enormous amount of infinite combos, what do you guys like putting in Breya's 99?

>>51530356
Thats pretty awesome. Thanks

>>51530475
My dick.

Ok I think I figured out Baru grandeur combo. Cast Baru while you have dual nature and sundial of the infinite. You get the token copy of Baru, sac regular Baru, dual nature's ability goes on the stack, tap sundial to end your turn. From there you just need to dig Baru out of your grave repeatedly.

Vorthosy bolas deck with poltical shit in it.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bolass-funhouse/

what can i do to make its creature game a bit better?

>>51530475
Deadeye + RUne-Scarred Demon insane value without going infinite ;)

>>51530475
I, run Dack Fayden, Nahiri the Harbinger and both Daretti's in my deck for card quality and to get artifacts in my graveyard so I can reanimate them with Open the Vaults

>>51530475
Tutors for my infinite combos.

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>>51530363
Your shitposting that a person found a way to respond to a threat? At least anon wasn't bitching and whining "it's too strong plz ban"

>>51530862
It's a pathetic and douchey move to put cards in your deck for no reason other than to counter a specific player.

I sincerely hope the Kruphix player in question wasn't his friend. If they were, hopefully they aren't anymore.

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>>51530363
> I think adapting to a meta is a sin.

Let me guess, Meren players that don't like when people add graveyard hate to their decks?

>>51530950
You're fucking stupid. If one deck is a problem in your meta it's a right fine fucking dandy idea to put silver bullets in your deck for it.

>haha my deck is so gud I win all the time
>wtf come on u fags don't play cards that beat mine that's pathetic and shit >:(

>>51530950
The only one pathetic here is you. Anon states that the card works well even against other decks. Also, who gives a shit if they're friends or not? If a person gets so assblasted over a card game, clearly it's a dumbass that should grow thicker skin.

>>51530950
That's stupid, if someone has a deck that's too fast sometimes you have to throw in mental misstep to stop him. Making your deck worse just because you're trying to be fair to everyone can lead to one deck dominating

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what forests go well with urza islands?

Fuck it I'm going to build Hidetsugu

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>>51530130
I use it in Gwafa Hazid and it does pretty good work since I'm rarely seen as a threat

How do I stop making voltron decks? I have like four now.

>>51531451
Build someone who isn't voltron

What do I tutor for in bant colors with recruiter of the guard?

>>51529031
>tfw plan on using isochron scepter + silence + paradox engine

Would people hate me for doing shit like this?

>>51531681
they will

why do people buy zendikar fetch lands when khans fetch lands are a fraction ofthe price

>>51531477
but everything can be voltron if you try hard enough

>>51530571
no suggestions? it would be really appreciated. i did as best i could with what i had

>>51531908
They are different cards and fetch for different combinations of lands

>build deck
>feel like it could do better with some cards here and there
>end up with a 75%+ monster that's unfit for most tables

I can't help it. It's happening to my Kami of the Crescent Moon right now.

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>>51529031
Not sure if secret, but can bring a lot of games to a crawl if you need to.

>>51532071
That's kinda what kami wants though. Either you build group hug (which is basically just card draw tribal in monoblue, so boring) or you build stasis, he doesn't really have other archetypes he's any good at.

>>51531920
Pick someone who's a hard voltron commander and don't try hard to make it voltron

Like play Mizzix or something

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>>51531042
>>51531070
>>51531096
>>51531125
You guys are all so fucking bad, holy shit. If you have to tailor your deck to beat a single person, you're a bad player. Your deck should be built well enough to handle any threats, not built specifically to hose a single dude's commander.

That's like putting lifegain hate in your deck because one person in your group has an Oloro or Karlov deck that you hate. Sure, it's pretty fucking useless most of the time, but YOU'LL SURE AS FUCK BE READY IF YOU HAVE TO FACE THAT GUY!

Grow the fuck up.

>>51531504
To what end?

Win con?

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/list-multiplayer-edh-generals-by-tier/

So it just me or does this list look like it full of shit and made by tryhard fat fucks like pic related

>>51532139
It started as grouphug, but my stax cards are itching to find a home in it. Or I might abandon it entirely and build another mono U such as Talrand or Azami.

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>>51529031
What are your secret tech cards?

Breddy fuggin sweet desu

>>51532300
I'd say this tier list is fairly accurate given infinite budget and 100% optimization

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Pic related + Archeomancer is fun as hell in Merieke.

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>>51532228
Here's a (You) bitchboi.

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>>51532366

>>51531908
One reason is they might already have the khans fetches, another is that certain decks "require" multiple fetches because of the deck thinning meme despite only 2 lands being worth grabbing with fetches, paying 1 life to grab a basic is something that can't be given a positive light

I'm looking to make a few budget entry level decks with my friends to get into EDH. What would a good quartet of commanders be for group of <$100 decks? None of the precons available at our LGS appeal to us, but we're open to any fun scratch builds.

>>51529235
force of will

>>51532390
they dont just grab basics though

>>51532394
krenko, literally takes like 70 becks to make if that

>>51532394
second this >>51532426

>>51532394
you can build almost all mono colored decks for less than 100 buck, most you can even build for 50 and still do really well. in all honesty pretty much any commander deck can be built for less that 100

>>51530475
Sfm, she tutors my sword of the meek and nim deathmantle out so I can really pound the table with a double infinite combo.

>>51532390
dual lands are always good.

>>51532409
Re-read my post. I said only 2 lands are worth grabbing, dual and shocks. I get shit for not running all the fetchlands in gitrog but I don't see point in running them when I have no problems with deck as is

>>51532376
And here's one for (You), too, baddie.

>>51532551
You're embarrassing yourself

>i am the only one in my play group who plays board wipes
>they complain about it
>build and ashling the pilgrim deck with 99 mountains
>kek endlessly ass the only thing the deck does is board wipe
>group gets super butt hurt and bans the deck

totally worth it

>>51532300
>kalemne below tier 3
Its shit, i have gotten turn 2 wins with my kalemne because i had a bloodmoon out and was ready to cast kalemne next turn, that by definition should make it teir 3.

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>>51532361
Don't forget if you stack your deck or get a christmas hand

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>>51532583
Oh fuck, I am? Thanks for telling me, anon, I had no idea.

>>51532493
and why wouldnt you want your duels, shocks, and pain lands?

>>51532612
Having seen and played decks that do similar things to what's on that list, that's not even remotely true.

>>51532633
The only thing thats accurate is the teir 1 decks and you know it, everything below teir 2.5 is a baseless opinion.

>>51530213
Use it with Ezuri's Predation.

>>51532630
>using fetchlands to grab pains

Fetches for duals, shocks, and maybe battlelands is completely fine since they are able to grab them, but running 6 fetches with only 2 nonbasics worth grabbing isn't a good thing imo

>>51532633
By that logic every esper colored commander should be tier 1 since they can do time seive combo turn 3

>>51532673
I'm with you there, I don't think the list is anywhere near perfect but it's decent enough.
>>51532689
no, the commanders in the tier 1 decks actually contribute to their strategy, oloro on the other hand does not

>>51532715
>the commanders in the tier 1 decks actually contribute to their strategy
General Tazri
>maze's end and hagra diabolist

Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge
>needs exact cards to be exiled

Leovold, Emissary of Trest
>dude wheels lmao

Prossh, Skyraider of Kher
>never played against it

Teferi, Temporal Archmage
>stax that isn't even hard to disable

Thrasios, Triton Hero
>insert UG goodstuff here

Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder
>double strike lmao

Zur the Enchanter
>doomsday lmao, loses to any response to labman

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>>51532336
For my grouphug/durdle/tokens deck

>>51532597
the fact they couldnt do anything about it just says volumes on how bad your group is.

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>>51532300
>Surrak Tier 3
>Hope Tier 4

Welp

>>51529031
How the fuck do you get other players better at the game so they stop whining about losing to you? I'm using an atraxa precon ffs.

I know Wedge from the mana source in the competitive EDH discord, should i shit on his mom?

Also, Paradox engine is dank as fuck. It makes many not-quite-there decks good as shit.

>>51531298
Good! Get your damage doublers, your lifelink equipments and your haste enablers. Then fuck the board.

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Think I need 2 more masterworks at least....

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My buddy plays with pic related and we all think it's good fun.

Any weird shit that gets a pass in your group, /edhg/ ?

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>>51529031
>secret tech
Nothing like a big-ass Wurm on top of your Rampant Growth!

>>51533149
Masterpieces are for ghetto kids who are into conspicuous consumption for the sake of impressing their friends. while they live in public housing with 30 dollars rent.

What do I have to do to find a group that isn't autistic?

Spikes are whatever but autistic spikes I literally cannot tolerate.

>>51533187
Whatever man, I like 'em. the new art looks good on 90% of 'em.

>>51533149
aside from like 3 of them which i think the art looks awesome in the masterworks seem really meh. the original art is better on like 90% of them

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>>51533224
That's like your opinion man.

I like 'em, and other than 4 of them I traded for the rest so....eh...

>>51533130
I have a bunch of this leftover from a Godo deck, he'll be in there

How do you protect yourself from getting wrecked? Glacial Chasm doesn't seem like enough

>>51533194
Where do you live man? My group is looking for new players and none of us are autistic just one guy who makes too many gay joke

>>51532426
>>51532463
One friend does really want to make Krenko, actually. I was more wondering if there's some commanders that would be really interesting to play against each other in a group.

>>51525412
It's Vehicles and Dwarfs. Waiting on some more cards in the mail and then I'm done. Playtested the test version of it with some filler cards today and whew, I did 30 damage on turn 5. Haha.

>>51533174
Just checking but you are aware that you still have to pay the mana cost to cast it right? At best it's a very shitty form of card advantage, since it essentially reads "Kicker 5GG: But a dumb beater on to the field" to any of your search spells.

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>>51533084
Describe your playgroup

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>>51533174
This is great in Karametra. I had it in my Omnath a while back, too. It did good work but was eventually cut for more optimal options.

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>>51532098
This is how I monoblack in Erebos

>>51533171
id allow it

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And this is how I finish

>>51533381
Yes you do still need to pay for it.

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>>51532336
I love this card in Alesha

>>51533174
This fucking card forced an entirely new rule to be created
Fuck this card.

>>51533171
My friends all have an Un-Commander to run. We love it. We don't even always play them against each other all the time.

>>51533200
>'em
Do you think saying "'em" instead of "them" is cool or something?

>>51533335
LA

>>51533748
>entirely new rule
Which rule?

>>51533800
It's certainly more cool than caring about people spelling things how they pronounce them.

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>>51533149
>all that money
>sleeved in ultra pro trash

>>51533800
Why ya so mad at 'im, anon?

>>51533814
You can't reorder your library while searching through it.
So say if you're tutoring for something, in a sanctioned event you're violating game rules by pulling potential tutor targets out to consider which one you want before shuffling the rest back in.
.

>>51532300
>Depala and Uril in the same tier

I'm not saying Uril is some monstrous unstoppable deck or anything, but holy fuck someone thinks it's on the same tier as vehicle tribal?

Shit list, maybe tier 1 is accurate but beyond that it's a joke. Also what the fuck is with .5s, just add a new tier, it's not like there's only one or two decks there.

>>51533852
>>51533814
It's really a rule that was made up specifically because of Selvala, Explorer Returned + Panglacial wurm. Because you can draw a card while trying to cast Panglacial wurm from your library, and you can't undo a draw, then you have to keep the library order in tact because otherwise you could cheat by pulling tutor targets and then activating Selvala to cast him, and draw them without them actually being at the top of your deck.

>>51533806
Damn, we're all in Bakersfield.

>>51533922
The ruling for Wurm was made in 2006, so that's not right. It could be more for Millikin, but Selvala didn't kick around until 2014.

>>51533950
fair enough.
It's panglacial wurm + thing that dongles around with the library using a mana ability

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I'm building Sisay Paradox engine, what spice should i include?

What spice do you guys use for your gay ass decks?

>>51533800
oy m8 ill pop you in the gob swear on me mum

>>51534162
very rarely is autism so concentrated.

>>51532300
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/list-multiplayer-edh-generals-by-tier/
>Both Omnaths
>Tier 3
I could maybe see Angry being there, but OG ain't nothing to fuck with.

Also, what the fuck is up with the order of the list?
>T3
>T2
>T2.5
>T1.5

>>51533361
>It's Vehicles and Dwarfs.

When you get it together, pop it up on Tapped Out. I didn't get a hell of a lot of legendary creatures out of Kaladesh, but I got Kambal - which I already made a deck for - and I got Depala. Dwarf crews sound fun.

>>51533407

>get 100 cheatyfaces
>every card sleeve has 1 real card with a cheatyface behind it

>>51533348
I actually just threw a Queen Marchesa deck together, comes in around $100ish. Haven't actually tried it out yet though, as I literally just finished putting it together, so I can't testify as to how effective it is.

Main game plan is to hop into your bubble, however you want to assemble it, and point people away from you until you can do stupid shit. Stuff like Phyrexian Unlife and Repay in Kind, just sit with a few turns with Skyline Despot as monarch, or wait until someone drops Storm herd or Krenko's for more gobbos than their life and Sunforger in a Rakdos Charm.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wrath-of-the-black-rose/

>>51532228
I know right. Fuck modern, legacy and standard with their sideboards, fucking pro-tour winning noobs.

>>51533806
You're somewhat close to me but you're still far. Orange county here

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I really want a Voltron deck but it can't have blue in it and we already have a Boros equip voltron in the group.

Maybe pic related built up as an enchantress but besides the "play an enchant draw a card" sticks, what creatures should I include.

Probably looking at $100-150 to start it off.

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>>51529031
#fuckblack

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>>51534550
>Clear Sleeves
>"Hey, nice Cheatyface sleeves, anon. Where's you get them?"

>>51529031
Pic related. I've won so many games because this stupid shit
>gets around hexproof and shroud,
>doesn't prevent (so you can run this with stuff like Solitary Confinement and Delaying Shield without issue, unlike Deflecting Palm), and
>affects ALL damage, not just what would be dealt to you and/or your stuff. So stuff like Hurricane, Skirk Fire Marshall, even Heartless Hidetsugu all get completely BTFO by it.

If only it wasn't 5 mana.

if i conspire a card with storm, does the copy's storm trigger?

>>51534550
They have to be legally in your hand to actually be able to sneak them into play you fuck

>>51535150
No, as Storm is triggered on casting a spell, not making a copy of it.

>>51534891
The Enchantresses, The Giant Dude that tutors and equips, Bastion Protector

>>51535265
Mind showing me that ruling?

>>51531322
They cant vote for your cards anon.

>>51535408
I can just imagine this scene now, all of his friends have read the card, but he hasn't, so they act like they are doing him some big political favor when it's fucking nothing.

>>51534920
Damn I've had this card laying around forever and never thought much about it.

I'm gonna try it out!
Thanks anon,

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>secret tech
I run this bad boy in every blue deck I have

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Fucks with a lot of tutors, Divining Top, Doomsday, and about a thousand other things.

>>51535349
Sure I can.

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/66850669579/un-rules-question-am-i-allowed-to-sneak
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/128979171118/ive-been-playing-cheatyface-wrong-for-years-and

Mark Rosewater is the official un-rules manager.

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>>51529031
Pic related is my secret wincon tech.

With Opalescence and Parallax Wave on the table, I can blink it infinite times in response to its ETB trigger, manifest all cards in my library, then blink those cards to flip them face up.

>>51535541
Is there anything MaRo won't ruin?

>>51535683
Cheatyface was never designed nor intended to be played that way. It's just a common misconception people have about the card.

I had one friend who told me he disliked the un-sets, and one of the main reasons was that a player could just sneak in 100 Cheatyfaces into play at any time and win.

I told him that's not allowed and that changed his opinion of the set.

>>51535518
isn't thought scour just better though?

>>51535877
Oh, shit. It's way better. Time to change my decks. I don't know how I found Ray but not Thought Scour.

50 mana sources / rocks / ramp cards for a mana-hungry nongreen deck.

Too much or just enough?

>>51534848
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wrath-of-the-black-rose/
With no hexproof/shroud or indestructable Skyline Despot is not going to make you more than one token.

>>51535877
>>51535924
ray is cool because it replaces itself.

>>51533106
Is she into scat?

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>>51536098
You may want to re-read Thought Scour.

>>51535952

Doesn't sound like too much. ~38-40 of those are gonna be lands anyway, that means ~10-12 are mana rocks/ramp.

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>>51535924
>>51536098
>>51536383
>not running Ray of Erasure, Thought Scour, and Predict

>>51536643
This is great in doomsday

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Do you run this card? Any stories or experience with it?

>>51536840

A friend has it, used it late game with some ramp to bring out 14 angels (using miracle, of course). Also had an enchantment that gives all his guys haste. I was pretty fucked.

10/10, would experience again

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My secret value tech in blue decks

>>51537039

Jesus tapdancing christ that's good. For that mana? And it costs nothing.

What the fuck.

>>51537056
It literally does nothing m8.

>>51537039
>>51537056
>>51537113
yeah it's pretty bad, but I love the flavor of it
kinda makes me want to build a spy themed deck.

>>51537203
Well im already ahead of you. I'm playing it in skeleton ship pirate tribal.

I would love to find a solid EDH deckbox that can fit a double-sleeved deck and about 10 tokens, and doesn't have any extra compartments or bulk to it.

What are you guys using?

>>51537748
Ultimate guard has a deck box that holds 180 cards. Its what I use and really like it. It's also dirt cheap.

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>>51537748
I use these. They do the job.

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>>51529031
>Secret Tech
Alright, I got my self a elf deck piloted by Frey(Bae)alise.
My groups meta is brutal, Narset, prosh, Brago, omnath, Kaalia.
Just the most hardcore finetuned bullshit decks but they just can't stand it when I pull out my elves.
Constantly wins turn 4-5 slapping the other 4 players with half a million damage.
By drawing and playing my whole deck in a friend group that doesn't allow infinite combos.
It dose that by having a million draw outlets, mana making elves and untap shenanigans with the appropriate anthems.

>>51537952
Why would you want Piper in an elf deck? Everything you have is dirt cheap. Even if you are playing a huge fatty priest of titania is probably better.

>>51537979
I hear you priest of titania is great, I run her and every card that even slightly resembles her. But hear me out:
More.
Even if I can save one mana then it's worth when trying to go critical as soon as possable.
And with all the untapping of creatures the deck has her ability is put to good use.

>>51537952
Decklist please?

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There's nothing like the feeling of flashing this into play in response to a X=7 death cloud.

>>51538534
How often did this actually happen to you?

>>51536840
It is super good if no one has a board wipe.

>>51534920
This would be so nasty responding to a blasphemous act.

>>51537748
i use these too >>51537888


plan on switching all my shit to the ultimate guard boulder though when it comes out in march. it wont hold tokens as well but i have a separate box for those anyway with dividers and shit

>>51538563
Twice. Except the second time was death cloud for X= 5

>>51538637
I doubt they will be able to actually hold 100 double-sleeved cards. None of the supposed "100-card" deckboxes I tried from them can hold my EDH deck in Dragon Shield mattes and KMC perfect fits.

building Athreos commander, looking for spicy funstuff
>inb4 "use etb cards"
No shit. I'm looking for fun ones, not just fleshbag marauders and other obvious picks

>>51532300
>rashmi that high
Why?

>>51538677
the professor did a review for them and they do indeed hold a double sleeved edh deck (no tokens)

>>51538677
I'm pretty sure the Ultimate Guard flip'n'tray can fit a hundred double-sleeved card + a reasonable number of tokens, it's just that the deck tray is a millimetre or so too narrow to fit dragon shield sleeves, so you need to turn it sideways, which fits the width of the card, but can't perhaps hold a 100 double-sleeved cards.

It can, though, fit a 100 single-sleeved cards and like 15 tokens.

>>51532300
>sliver queen tier 2
>sliver overlord tier 3

ya this list is retarded

>>51538677
well there is your problem anon, pretty much no box is optimized for dragon shield double sleeves

>>51532300
>Lovisa Coldeyes Tier5
Dropped

>>51538862
This is the first time I'm hearing about this.

That's all sorts of inconvenient.

>>51538971
ya dragon shield are slightly thicker than kmc which is what most box makers design their shit for because they are the most popular by far

its not usually noticeable until you tart double sleeving

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Anyone have secret gwaffy tech

>>51533636
Dude thats way to pricey run the enchantment that gives skulk. 93% of the time thats enough

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>>51539047
not sure if secret

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give me some spicy tech for the murder god

>>51539113
devil's play?

>>51539070
That is in about 99% of all gwaffy decks

>>51539029
Then what the hell do I use?

I currently have the see-through plastic deckboxes from Dragon Shield, but it's a pretty tight fit for double-sleeved decks and I ideally want something that can also hold a few tokens alongside the deck.

>>51539139
figured but decided to post just in case. fun card in oloro

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>>51538677
>>51537748

These have never failed me, and you can remove the lower compartment if you really don't want it.

In fact, the lower compartment actually can click shut with the lid

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>>51539113
This card pulls off the aggro you'll get for pinging for 2 every turn. Or you'll get turbo pounded to dust. Hard to tell.

>>51539160
See
>>51539191

>>51539160
kmc perfect fit and kmc hyper matte is basically the de facto double sleeving combo. personally i prefer dragon shield to kmc though so i use other boxes like satin towers and the good old basic ultra pro boxes you can find for like 4 bucks. there are a number of boxes out there that will fit dragon shield double sleeves but they are generally not just a simple deck box with no frills

also worth mentioning these are expensive as fuck but they will fix your cards and tokens plus give you great protection

http://www.repgamingproducts.com/products/the-steel-commander-deck-box

>>51539191
ya satin towers are pretty much the best deck boxes out there, as long as you dont mind shelling out a few extra bucks for one there is no real competition out there for it

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>>51539218

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>>51539160
Ultra-Pro pro tower deck box
Never actually used one of these but I know plenty of EDH players that have these.100 double sleeved cards and dice and tokens compartments.

Satin Tower is also a great option.

>>51539193
Bitter Feud always struck me as a card to be used choosing two of your opponents and letting them kill themselves while you watch.

>>51539218
METAL BOXES

>>51539242
what am i looking at here?

While we're at sleeves, anyone has experience with the new Dragon Shield perfect fits?

Are they comparable to the KMC ones in size and quality?

>>51539055
I probably should...

>>51539310
Friends who work at an LGS have tried them, they've been unimpressed. They fit Dragon Shields better but they NEVER get the air out. Your cards will be perpetually puffy.

KMCs still work well and fit Dragon Shields and KMC sleeves.

>>51539310
I don't like them.

>>51539047
Depends on what style you're building

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What are the best combos that Hydra omnivore can do in a 4-player match?

>>51539160
I use an old Diesel watch box. It's pretty dank, super thick and tough. Has plenty of room for 100 cards and some tokens and even a couple dice.

>>51539401
>Xenagos boosts it to a 16/16
>Throw it at the one dude with an empty field because he got too much aggro
>Throw uncgaed fury for +1/+1 and double strike
>Hit everyone for 34 damage
But this is only possible if nobody has any removal or fog effects.

>>51539401
Make it unblockable, then equip blade of selves and swing

What is with this board and anti CEDH strategies. Everyone bitches moans and complains about something like prossh and stax and combo. Does noone here play come sick combo decks or foodchain madeness or something like that?

>>51539478
People do but people also enjoy off-the-wall commanders. It gets kinda boring when every deck is just some broken precon commander.

Like there's one guy at my LGS, never really played EDH with him, but all he has are pimped decks but it's always the typical "super competitive" commanders like Oloro, Tasigur, and Atraxa. I've never seen him try something remotely interesting or surprising.

If I wanted to be competitive I'd play another format. I play commander to be goofy and hang out with my friends.

>>51539478
i have nothing against combo or really anything as long as i am not forced to play against it every game

Anything spicy tech for Phenax or Sliver queen?

>>51539517
Intruder alarm and the new paradox engine sounds sweet in phenax

>>51539517
Mana Echoes goes infinite with Sliver Queen very easily.

Eater of the Dead for Phenax.

>>51539548
got these guys already
>>51539541
paradox engine sounds really good, and I've been debating intruder alarm, is it worth it?

>>51539517
I like having wild pair so you can queen right into legion and each token is ramping you up big time.

>>51539631
Wild Pair has been super spicy for Bluezuri. Most of the creatures are 2/2s and it just gets crazy real quick.

Also Wild Pair in any clone deck is hilarious. Every clone is basically a 0/0 so if you play one clone, you tutor for another clone.

>>51539289
One of the pictures showcasing the commander deck box appears to be running a notoriously bad commander.

>>51530535
respond to Dual Nature trigger with Temur Sabertooth, get your token Baru, then Paleoloth to return him every time you grandeur

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I just bought one of these, and the small circle pieces of plastic in the corners sharply protrude a little inside the deckbox, making the cards stick out a little and damaging the sleeves.

I'll probably have to throw it out, unless someone has an idea how to carefully shave off that plastic.

>>51539963
>small circle pieces of plastic in the corners
You lost me there.

>>51540044
there are four small circles in the corners on the bottom side of the deckbox (the back side when looking at the above picture), and they're supposed to be flat, not elevated.

>>51529253
myriad fuck with these rules pretty hard, I've made a few people more than mad.

>>51540064
Wait, if you swing with myriad, how are your opponents supposed to decide who gets to block?

>>51539963
How much was it?

Why not just buy a satin tower

>>51540058
Can't you file them away?

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How do you like to build your decks edhg?

>>51532799
>never played against a prosh deck
try and keep i that way, it can be realy, realy deperessing.

>>51540102
>How much was it?
$2

>Why not just buy a satin tower
It was not available.

>>51540113
I will try, but they're on the inside of the deckbox, and in the corners, so they're really hard to get to.

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>>51540118
I love edhrec articles

>>51540097
frist person in turn order that blocks gets it, subsequent people can't

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I've started switching from Satin Towers to these, mainly because they fit my card carrier better. They're pretty decent, fit 100 double sleeved cards + tokens alright, just be gentle when using them.

They're like $5 from your LGS.

>>51539667
Actually the clone becoming something else is a replacement effect, not a trigger. So by the time wild pair sees it it isn't a 0/0.

>>51540118
>>51540196
I shoot for interaction. While there's nothing wrong with a pillowfort deck, I would rather play against a pillowfort deck that has a wincon other than "Everyone scoops in frustration."

I want my opponents to be able to respond to my spells, to make choices about what creatures they need to block, to consider what I might be holding in my hand. I don't find turtling up without a purpose to be fun. I also don't find instant-win combos to be fun, either.

Does this mean my decks aren't very competitive? Yeah, they're casual. But so is my group.

>>51539963
Could you trim up an unused sleeve to put in the bottom of the deck box?

>>51540645
Pillowfort is basically multiplayer control. Instead of killing threats, you make sure they don't threaten you.

>>51540196
What are possible factors that go into choosing whether I want to include Arcane Laboratory or Rule of Law in a deck? Assuming I have no color-related interactions, do I want to include the one in the color I have less of in my deck?

>>51539848
Even better. I'm converting my Angry Omnath into Thromak so I think I'll use my land shenanigans cards to rebuild Baru.

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I'd love some input on this Alesha deck I put together. It's my first non-green EDH deck and also the first time I've really done anything with any recursion outside the usual green staples. I'm looking for more things to get stuff into my yard (a la Entomb) and to let Alesha swing with impunity (Reconnaissance and Iroas).

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/redanimator-or-i-activate-my-trap-card-1/

>>51532228
Hi kruphix player, stay salty

>>51532228
You should tailor your deck to beat specific strategies but don't use "silver bullet" cards. Like maybe there's a Kruphix deck in your meta and maybe that card is good against it but if you're not playing against that deck, you'll wish that card was anything else.

hey guys, i'm getting tired of being fucked by my EDH playgroup and need a new deck. My current decks are Krenko and Anya the merciless angel. I keep getting rekt by my friends who play Talrand, Brago, Meren and a few other equally degenerate decks.
Does anyone have suggestions of which commander i should build a new deck with? I like Stax and prison decks that have combos in it to win the game

>>51541022
Feel like I post this deck every thread but I have fun with it and its been pretty good.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/titania-greenback-stax/

Cool stax deck, has so far had a pretty impressive winrate. Currently getting a snow-covered lands package for Sunstone, Mouth of Ronom, and Into the North (which tutors for Dark Depths too).

>>51541022
Grand Arbiter sounds like something you'd want.

>>51541103
Yeah, that and Derevi have been the generals i've been looking at recently

>>51533174

>let me just cast rampant growth with 9 mana in play so I can get a French vanilla wurm as well

>>51540699
>Pillowfort is basically multiplayer control. Instead of killing threats, you make sure they don't threaten you.

Sure, but then what?

>>51541240
Well, how does control win?

You either finish with off with an unbeatable bomb after everyone has spent their resources, make an infinite combo, and/or make everyone else quit the game in disgust after you lock them out.

>>51541240

You know those sort of contests that morning zoo radio shows do every now and then where they have a fancy new car or whatever and all the contestants have to put a hand on it and whoever stays touching the car the longest wins it?

You just win at that game instead of winning at mtg.

>>51539070

This card sucks dick

>>51539572

>is intruder alarm worth it Phenax

I mean there's some collateral damage, because it's symmetrical, so you could be giving somebody a combo piece, but it seems like it would be easy to mill everybody out very fast with it

They couldn't play any creatures until it was gone, otherwise they'd be giving you more mill triggers

>>51537952
>deck meta is brutal
>doesn't allow infinite combos

>>51540699

In my opinion if your deck wants arcane lab OR rule of law, it wants both

I suppose if you got all the possible tutors maybe not, but idk, I like a little redundancy in my singleton decks

>>51541456

I laughed

>>51533075
My friend plays those two decks, he's a lot better than us, and we are all super bad at focusing him. He wins probably 90% of our games.

>>51541460
Fair point. I am however thinking about inclusion of the card as a redundancy for Mana Maze in the Possibility Storm lock, and I tutor everything up with Enduring Ideal anyway, so I'd be fine with just one of them.

Rule wins on flavor and art grounds, but Laboratory is blue, and I'm already too white-heavy...

>>51533381
>>51541221
I do realize I still have to pay the cost. But Xenagod as your Commander mitigates the downsides enough for me. I like a hasty 18/15 with trample out of nowhere!

>>51541590
You can pretend a card randomly fell out of your library while searching, and be like "whoops, I guess I'm attacking with this, lol" and pay the mana.

>>51533334
Silent Arbiter and Crawlspace seem like good options to cover your ass.

https://edhrec.com/commanders/heartless-hidetsugu

>>51541611
I know the card is not optimized in the slightest, but the ability is just so janky and unique that I can't not play the damn guy. It also helps that it fits really well into your typical Xenagos build, since you want big creatures and ramp anyhow.

>>51541564

Mana maze + poss storm isn't really a lock tho right? Only against mono color decks

Anyway I have the same deck going myself, enduring ideal as the finisher, with poss storm and arcane lab or rule of law to seal the deal

Wasn't running mana maze but I do think it's cool you can cast it and enduring ideal in the same turn (fetching poss storm). Normally I get other shit with enduring ideal first (like privileged position or solitary confinement) and then close it out with arcane lab into poss storm or something

>>51541564

Remember if you draw rule of law, you can't fetch it with enduring ideal, which can gum up your combo

Gotta play rule of law first, then next turn enduring ideal

>>51541647
>Mana maze + poss storm isn't really a lock tho right? Only against mono color decks
Yes, only against monocolor decks, and if they're not casting an artifact. But even in multicolored decks, they fizzle often enough, plus there's always a high chance of just storming into a dud.

I like Mana Maze because it also protects me from counterspells if I play a blue spell, it's one mana cheaper than Laboratory, and you're not the biggest dick on the table if you use it with Possibility Storm.

>>51541695
The great thing is that Enduring Ideal doesn't cast the enchantment I fetch up, it just puts it into play, so I can safely get Rule of Law.

>>51541695
Disregard >>51541761 - I see what you mean.

Well that's why I want the redundancy.

>>51541761

>enduring ideal doesn't cast the enchantment

Right, what I meant was enchantments can get stuck in your hand once the epic trigger has gone off, that's why I like a little redundancy. Possibility storm getting stuck in your hand is a problem too, because then if you play it first, enduring ideal would be a random sorcery, and if you don't play it first, you won't have it available to enduring ideal into

What my deck has been doing in that situation is trying to ramp really hard and draw my library essentially (it's an enchantress deck) and then I play leyline of anticipation and flash in the combo so none of the pieces disrupt each other

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>>51541835
I actually have some convoluted ways to get enchantments that are stuck in my hand after casting Ideal. One is discarding them with a full hand at the end of turn, then recurring them with Starfield of Nyx or Mistveil Plains.

I was also considering including Trade Routes in my deck for the purposes of discarding and flood prevention.

Mostly the issue is just solved by having multiple combo packages and wincons.

>>51541642
We'll you have to give it one thing. It's the only massive creature you can grab with an evolving wilds.

>>51541922
That would also be pretty hilarious!

>>51541885

Mind posting decklist? Trade routes seems pretty sweet actually. Land flooding is sometimes a problem for my deck so that seems cool.

Here's my list

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/idealistic-1/

>>51542002
I'm running Zedruu.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ideal-zedruu/?cat=custom&sort=

There are cards I'm planning to include at some point, like Boseiju or Twincast.

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>>51537748
i use this thing

>>51540899
>Non-wall
You can't change her rulings because you made her an old card.
Consider me triggered

>>51537748
i use the fat pack boxes because i got hem for free from my friend.

of which he buys fat packs

>>51542002
Nice list, by the way.

How useful do you find Argivian Find and Idyllic Tutor in the deck?

I also wanted to include Quarantine Field, but then I realized it doesn't work with Ideal.

Also, bonus points for including the superior versions of Basics. I would've gone for those if the BFZ full arts weren't so neat.

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>>51537748

These for storage, >>51539191 for carrying one specific deck around

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>>51537748
>>51542145
oh yeah and i also have one of these (gave the golgari one to a friend) but i don't really use it anymore. it gets scratched a little too easily in transit and that big thing is better at carrying all my stuff.

it's still pretty fun to make these things, seeing my big ol box of decks makes me smile

>>51542227

Idyllic tutor is one of the best cards in the deck for me, I have a lot of silver bullets like stony silence and rest in peace, rule of law can also be a silver bullet against storm or any deck that plans on having a huge turn like elves. Also it's very useful to be able to search up a sterling grove or something if I expect removal to be coming my way

Argivian find has been decent, only cast it a couple times, it's basically a 1 mana Regrowth in my deck since all the important cards are enchantments (except enduring ideal)

Yeah enduring ideal has been more of my backup plan in this deck, in the 6 or 7 games Ive won with it so far, I more often win by comboing treachery + Cloudstone curio + mana doubler + enchantress, which seems complicated, but once I have a mana doubler and enchantress(es), it's easy to find the other pieces. And quarantine field has been one of the best cards in my deck, being a great mana sink for mana doublers and also just value when I can remove one or two key things and probably draw a card or two at the same time

>>51539963
Those are pretty much only good for carrying a stack of tokens or maybe a 60-card deck

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I like these. Cheap, and a bit more protection than the usual flimsy plastic ultra-pro deck boxes.

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>>51542218
That's absolutely what her card would have said in pre-modern Magic

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Would your group allow pic related?
Why or why not?

>>51542145
>>51542285
I remember you! I was the guy who suggested the Coalition Emblem! Looking really nice, dude. Out of curiosity, do you do commissions at all?

>>51543190
No, because why?

>>51543190
With all the ways to cheat artifacts into play? Fuuuuuuck no. The joke is that it's supposed to be so hard to cast that it's not really worth it, but it's not hard to get into play at all, least of all in EDH. So, really, it's just Custom-Card-Tier-broken

>>51542145
>>51542285
>it's deckbox anon
Ah shit man, what's good? Still haven't put a handle on The Coalition box?

>>51543195
oh yeah thanks for the idea, i remember you too

i've considered it, but it's not really possible right now. i have no workshop of my own, sadly. but i'm working on arranging something eventually. i also think i need a bit more practice before i want to pretend to be a real woodworker since i still consider myself a beginner in the trade

out of curiosity, how much would you guys consider paying for those deckboxes linked earlier? what would be your preferred price and your maximum price?

>>51543297
i actually realized it would be an aesthetical flaw. if i put a handle on it and carry it around, the coalition insignia would be upside down, and that would really grind my OCD gears. i always put the box in my sports bag when i carry it around anyway so the handle isn't really necessary.

>>51533979
The problem with Selvala is that it produces an uncertain amount of mana, so you can end up in a situation where you don't have enough mana to cast it yet drew the top card (that you looked at).l

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So I finally got the rest of my cards for my Dapala NASCAR deck. Just put the finish touches on it. I played a rough draft of it last night with filler cards instead and it worked surprising well.

There are a few more adjustments I want to make but I'll be working on them later. I'm just happy to have a Boros deck that functions pretty well now. Granted, it's still "turn dudes sideways" the deck, but this time I get to say "Vroom Vroom" when I do it.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/depala-nascar/

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>>51543402
>out of curiosity, how much would you guys consider paying for those deckboxes linked earlier? what would be your preferred price and your maximum price?

Whatever you consider a fair hourly wage times the amount of time you spend on them, plus the cost of materials. If I knew that was the criteria you based it on, I would have no problem paying the asking price.

>>51543190
no, it's fucking broken

>>51543190
>cast tinker
>win

>>51543402
I'd easily pay $30-40 before I actually really have to think about it. I'd consider anything $25 or less to be a great deal.

>>51543992
>also banned

Paradox Engine + Spine of Ish Shah + Priest of Yawgmoth

who has done this yet?

>>51538786
>Simic
>Can just be goodstuff and gives you extra value on that goodstuff

>>51543162
Her card doesn't care if a creature "can attack" or not. Changing the wording to reflect how old magic cards were written doesn't mean you should change how the card actually works.

>>51544232
here's a spicier combo

>enough nonland permanents to tap for 5 mana
>capsize + paradox engine

u will be a table favorite

>>51544272
The real paradox here is that most people neglect to include enough answers for this, even though it's easily disruptable, so it'll actually work.

How is General Tazri Allies/Cohort with no degenerate food chain combo? My group is about mid-level when it comes to power and 5c allies seems like a fun toolbox

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>>51544260
>Changing the wording to reflect how old magic cards were written doesn't mean you should change how the card actually works.

>to reflect how old magic cards were written

But that's exactly why I did it.

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>>51544352
You don't get to just randomly change the functionality of a card when making an "old" version of it.

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>>51544352
>Functionally changing what Alesha can do
>The same as using the archaic language of Pre-8th
It's one thing to translate the neat text into the mess of a textbox that the old cards were, but it's another to errata something to do something entirely different because you don't think they'd give her an ability for some arbitrary reason.

>>51543402
I'd probably pay upwards of 50 bucks, those things are gorgeous. I live in europoor though, so shipping would be a bitch.

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>>51544254
>>51544254
>a little extra value out of 1 spell per turn
>next to degenerate commanders like derevi, narset, and ghave

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>>51544433
>>51544472
Then I would recommend not using it.

You might want to be careful, you're dangerously close to contributing something to the thread.

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gib new thread

>>51545008
Calling someone out on their shitty, broken card alter is contributing.
The card needs to do what it says, and in its current state, that alter incorrectly states what the card does.

New Thread

>>51545235

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>>51545111

>>51545391
Would play with and try to make sense of

>>51543672
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/depala-nascar/

Huh, with the exception of the more expensive cards, this list is surprisingly similar to mine.

You should check out Mine Layer, goes with Dwarven Blastminer rather well

>>51541456
Hell yeah.
When some body pulls out a $1000 deck what can you do?
The best things for cheaper deck are simply going infinity but the fuckerz say no.

>>51546113
Build a deck with infinite combos and act surprised when you use them. I've done that to a similar group and it was water under the bridge.