EDH/Commander General

Also, Jojo guy! The one who posted here: >>51507888. Is there any song that puts Environmental Destruction in a positive light? Or portrays Nature destroying itself and it's NOT a negative thing? Would really help me out if you did...

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>>51508669
I put volcanic dragon in all of my red decks and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

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This is my favourite flavour for a card, just rubs me the right way.

>>51508729
>Jojo guy
I imagine he actually prefers this.

Also, that's incredibly specific. What deck are you playing?

>>51509387
Titania, Protector of Argoth.

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Threadly reminder that this card is one of wizards greatest answers in mono-g and that not running it is a demonstrative of shitterhood.

>>51509928
The Vorthos inside me screams for blood over the fact that card is so... Ajani.

>>51509928
Quality post anon. I have no idea why that card hasn't received more hype. Is indestructible hexproof for a turn really that bad in other formats? I get that standard doesn't have any board wipes, but still.

>>51509928

>cuts a net

>the 2 halves now trap 2 different people instead of one

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Wanted to play a bunch of small unblockable guys and tokens with ezuri at the helm, anyone have any spicy tech?

>>51510002
Run the one wincon every newzuri deck runs.

>>51510034
Yea I already run sage of hours, thanks tho

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>>51510002

when you say small + unblockable this instantly comes to mind

>>51510002
That's Ezuri.dec, not much 'spicy' tech in there. Play infect stuff, or the guy who takes 5 counters off for extra turns for ez wins. Play trisk/ballista effects if you want to be a nice boy.

>>51508669
>This edition
I-I actually kinda like to think up stands for my commanders. I even made a doodle of Nekusar's stand Spinning Wheel

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Man I hope Amonket has some cool ass mummies. I'd be so hype to get to use this as my theme song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NzD7zLww2A

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>>51508669
>reference/flavor cards

Absolutely !
>my first deck (now long dead) was skullbriar,and I built it because he was the closest I could get to Nito. The deck was golgari goodstuff and only won once
> kraj deck is simic flavor,
> BR wort deck is just goblins, super simple and plays as basic as you'd think,
>slobad plays almost like a factory, where you can practically feel how the cards are working in tandem with each other to protect itself, produce thopters/servos as indestructible fodder/chump blockers, produce heavy defenses, and eventually survive obliteration and other wipes,ending the Game with (usually) a monsterous colossus of arkos.
>mimeoplasm is straight self mill, usually getting himself as a 11/12 flying shroud hawkeater moth by t5, with lab man and mortal combat as alternate wincons.
>working on gwaffa azorius prison because I dont have a blue white deck. Planning on winning with all the life gain win cons, darksteel reactor, elocutors, and I may even later invest in a divine intervention for pure flavor.

I love edh because decks FEEL different and really tell a story every game. It's very largely self expression, politics, and socialization.

Most importantly, it isn't anonymous.

>>51511084
i don't recommend buying the masterpiece, but buying a mana crypt is totally worth it. it will win you games in some really stupid ways.

>>51509387
Been working a lot on a Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker deck. Favorite mono-red deck I've played so far, it's just tons of value that feels like mono-red blink almost. It has multiple combos but regularly wins by just copying Fanatic of Mogis a bunch of times.

>>51511127
can I see a list for purely Krenko reasons?

>>51510154
What commander are you running?
I can give advice if you're still here!

>>51511162
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sneaky-jiki-2/

It's really just value red creatures with a lot of Kik Jiki helper cards.

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What's your least favorite commander to play against and why?

>Oloro
>Doesn't do diddily shit all game but pillowfort
>Wins instantly with Aetherflux Reservoir, Mindcrank+Bloodchief or Exquisite+Sanguine

Who is a better monored commander? Zo-zu or Zada? I'm leaning towards zo-zu, because land destruction seems like a blast.

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Has anyone made a political EDH deck with these two as the Commander and named it The Gay Agenda? If not, why not?

>>51511576
Because the joke falls flat about 27 minutes into the first game and you realize you're playing a literal and figuratively gay deck

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>>51509928
>look at this net

>>51511209
This is my current list. I'd love suggestions and general advice.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ideal-zedruu/

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I do Omnath, Locus of Mana when I have Omnath, Locus of Rage as my commander. Makes me think of Dr. Evil mini me

>>51511703
Oh, and I play this deck with 53 lands.

>>51510066
>>51510084
Thanks as well guys

>>51511576
>Why not
It's a politics deck that isn't Zedruu.

Do I really need to explain why not?

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post 'em.

need ideas for my Mayael deck. Xenagos was a lot of ramp into one creature and sneak it past everything. Not sure what to do with Mayael now.

Weird question, if I cannot cast spells because of an effect, can I still suspend cards?

Apparently Suspend says "If you could begin to cast this card by putting it onto the stack from your hand ...".

>>51511947
CR 702.61c "While determining if you could begin to cast a card with suspend, take into consideration any effects that would prohibit that card from being cast."

So no.

>>51511989
Thanks. I don't know how I missed that line.

>>51511470
Any UGx commander.
>hurr durr Imma ramp to 10+ mana within 3 turns and then cast infinite spell and e.witness cyclonic rift with double counterspell backup
>what why the fuck are you casting Armaggedon you hate fun you're ruining the spirit of EDH get away from my table you filthy non-UGx player

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I'm new to EDH and I'm about to start building my first deck. I'm planning on using Talrand, Sky Summoner as my Commander. My goal is to run a very small creature count (around 4: Delver of Secrets, Aberrant Researcher, Docent of Perfection, Stormtide Leviathan) and a metric fuck ton of instants and sorceries (cantrip, counter, draw and unsummon spells) to spam Drake tokens. Does anyone here have any advice or deck techs for this deck? From what I've heard, it's unfair in 1v1, decent in 3 player, meh in 4 player and unplayable in 5 player. Most of my playgroup will be running precons.

Also is Rise from the Tides legal in a mono-blue deck? I know that all of your spells must have the same mana colors as your commander. Does that count for the color of the tokens that a spell produces also? I think that this card would be bullshit in this deck seeing how I plan to run around 45 instants and sorceries.
http://magiccards.info/query?q=Rise+from+the+Tide&v=card&s=cname

And finally, would Trail of Evidence be good in this deck or would it be too slow?
http://magiccards.info/soi/en/93.html

>>51510853
I'm right there with you. I'm also hoping for snakes, scorpions, and cats.

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>>51511927
Really need to find a place where I can play more than once a week

>>51512156
Rise of Tides is good since there is no black mana symbol on the card. I would say run any cards that give you an effect for drawing cards or casting spells. Creatures with Prowress are also good, and you might want to have some alternate wincons like Tutelage and the Durdlebassadors.

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>edition
I've been busy for a while, but it's good to be back. Been tuning my Nicol Bolas deck and it's put up some incredible results despite being nekusar-lite.

>>51512301
>Durdlebassadors
What the fuck is that? I typed that into magiccards.info and nothing came up.

I'm also planning on running Runechanter's Pike
http://magiccards.info/isd/en/231.html

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>>51512156

>>51512525
It's the nickname of this card that lets you win in 5 turns if you don't take combat damage. A common pillowfort wincon. Forgot the name, so I call them durdlebassadors

>>51512237
Is Vela actually fun to play? I like ninjas but it feels like it would become predictable and boring

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WHY CANT BOROS BE GOOD BASANDRA LOOKS SO FUN

>>51512579
Oh, also thanks for your advice. :)

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>>51510002
This is probably my favourite. It's expensive and kind of inefficient, but it just fits.

>>51511947
>>51511989
>>51512004
I'm confused. I understand that you might be able to cast something from suspend, but that's different from suspending the card.
Like suspending Ancestral Vision while all players have shroud for some reason. You can totally do that, you just can't cast the cards after suspend trigger resolves.

>>51512504
haha no.
Atraxa players are all "lol i need dice for muh counters on everything"

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>>51512423
whoa there, this thread ain't big enough for two jojofags

>>51511610
>My deck is literaly gay

So, your deck have sex with other decks of the same gender?

>>51512622
You're weird as shit. Basandra looks like least interesting Boros commanders out there. I just wish that her second ability would say "your opponents" and you could do cool combat tricks EDH and blue fagamussolini couldn't say a thing.
But no can do. Build a cool stax deck. Boros rocks with those big time.

>>51512906
What commander would Hol Horse play?

>>51512504
>tfw to inteligent to not make memefriends

>>51512920
How does that idea even come to you? Like seriously. There do exist fags that don't get laid.

>>51512978
How are you even a fag if you don't suck dicks?

>>51512943
Vial-Smasher
because he is only at his strongest when he has a partner

>>51512156
Trail of Evidence is very good if you plan on going for more instant speed, reactionary spells. You just collect clues and pop them eot whenever you didn't need to unsummon or counter something.
Also Quiet Contemplation is surprisingly good secret tech with this route.

>>51512301
>Durdlebassadors
Who?

>>51513057
How do you know that you're heterosexual if you don't cave dive?

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>>51513421
This one.

>>51513453
Because heterosexual is the default state you fucking retard. You only turn gay when balls touch.

>>51509928
>he black player just makes you sacrifice everything anyway.
>the white play makes you shuffle everything to the bottom of your deck.
>the Blue player bounces everything back to your hand
>the Red player blows up your lands before you get to play anything.

>>51513547
So it's not gay if I fap to traps?

>>51513623
Not unless you touch your balls on their balls and even then not if they're feminine balls.

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>>51508669
I run Darksteel Myr, whenever I can. Additionally, I'll sometimes pick up cards as souvenirs from travels and events irrelevant to magic, when an opportunity arises to do so, and run 'em in whatever deck I can fit it in. In my deck I'm currently focused on, I've got a Mask of Memory I found in a tiny, wooden chest, in field my friend and I came across. It was full of mirrodin block stuff, and we each took a card. Shit was surreal.

>>51511927
I've got quite a few, but Hope and Cromat are my current roster for what I take to EDH nights.

>>51513593
There isn't many mass forced sac or mass bounce effects though, there's like killing wave, cyclonic rift, upheaval is all I can think of.

>>51513768
post cromat pls

>>51513684
If balls don't touch but i fondle their feminine dick, is that gay?

>>51513823
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/empty-warehouse/

Is a rough list, it needs a lot of speeding up, and ultimately, its goal isn't to win, it's just to group hug, progress some grind matches and keep everyone having fun. If I find one laying around, I'm swapping Rhystic for dictate of kruphix, probably. Despite my solemn intent for it to just help and die, an occasional cheaky win using maze's end is naught shy of superb.

>>51513904
>fondle
>dick
I don't know, you tell me.

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>>51512906

>>51513904
Keep in mind that they can be fucked, but you want to avoid doggy style as balls hang dangerously close

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>>51510002
This little guy. Any time you regen him and get a token, that's another XP counter. I love Spiny, chump blocks for DAYS.

>>51508669
>Is there any cards in you deck that you put in to reference something else or because you like the flavor? Or cards that you add to your deck simple because it fits with the lore of your Commander somehow? Maybe even because of nostalgia?

Xenagos planeswalker in Xenagod for paradox value.

Whip of Erebos in Erebos, Dios de los Muertos

Stop being gay and talk about edh

>>51513904
Are you retarded? Of course it's not gay if their dick is feminine.

>>51514135
Why can't we do both?

>>51510002

Thopter Assembly + Ashnod's Altar

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>>51511927
Really just going to throw together a bunch of bulk I have to build Jori En.

>>51512686
Lorwyn was such a cool block

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>>51512906
>>51512423
TWO JoJofags? Anon, you must be blind, because there are THREE JoJofags on this thread!

>>51513593
But anon this protects from land destruction. Do you have idea how salty a red player gets when they board wipe with an advantageous board position thinking they've locked out the game only to have you keep all your lands? It's extremely salty.

is it possible to make Atraxa voltron on budjet?(no card that cost more than 5€) or should i give up?

>>51514592
>4 color deck
>budget
A real land base alone is going to break that 5 buck cap unless you enjoy having all of your mana enter tapped.

>>51514592
Atraxa costs more than that, so yes, literally impossible.

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>>51514439
>>51512906
>>51512423

F-fourth jojo fag reporting in

>>51513327
Thats a good Idea, thanks.

>>51514592
>>51514607
My four colour deck typically gets pegged archenemy pretty fast, so I ended up spending quite a bit on my landbase, since I needed oh-so-much speed just to scrape it out during a 4-on-1, but if I could've afforded to be constantly one turn slower, Ravnica karoos, khans gainlands, and temples and whatever else had a positive ETB+colour fixing sounded really fun to use.

I want a commander that's fun to play, for both me and my opponents, and creates longer games. Any ideas?

>>51514805
You're obviously just want us to say Derevi, stop being so disingenuous about it.

>>51513770
Fucking hell anon, just look at gatherer before you post.

>>51512686
>>51514114
>>51514237
Damn thanks, didn't even know about the starfish

What are the most annoying "board wipes"? Like how cyclonic rift bounces the field.

>>51514949
Numot!
Cyclonic Rift
Armageddons
Wraths
Land Destruction
Jokulhaups

NUKE FUCKING EVERYTHING
GOD BLESS AMERICA

Do infinite combos ruin the game?

>>51514988
No, they end them.

>>51514988
I don't like them, personally. I think they're okay if the rest of the group is cool with someone just saying, "I win now" that being that.

>>51514988
Infinite combos don't ruin the game, the people that use them ASAP during what seems to be the beginning of a fun and interactive game are the ones that ruin the game.

Infinites are a fine way of ending a long and drawn out game, but using them to win at all costs is pretty shitty in my opinion

>>51514988
Pretty much. No matter your board position or color, a infinite combo coming out of nowhere to end the game on the spot is just sort of downputting. All the effort, strategy, and deckbuilding does shit if you're targeted for 1,000,000 life loss off of a triggered ability.

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>>51512525
>>51512579
>>51512666
Azor's Elocutors, the Durdlebassadors.

>>51514836
I was very wrong about the bounce comment but I was spot on about the mass sac, there's like what living end, living death, killing wave and curse of the cabal kind of?

>>51514988
My area has two card shops, at store A, you get shat on if you play infinite combos. A store employee will actually join in games and only play counterspells if someone is trying to be a hoser. At store B, commander is literally just "race to infinite" and speak of deck tech is literally just number or infinite combos and tutors.

>>51515129
All is Dust is a personal favourite.

>>51513421
See >>51515090

>>51512579
It's a dumb nickname for a bad card and it's not going to catch on. I find it embarrassing that you dropped the "durdlebassadors" name in a previous post and somehow expected us to know what you were talking about.

>>51515090
Maybe you can use it in that new proliferate precon deck?

>>51514988
Nope

>can't decide between Hidetsugu or Alesha

Shit

Hidetsugu looks absurdly gimmicky and fun but Alesha just looks plain strong if it's built right

>>51515703
>Hidetsugu looks absurdly gimmicky and fun

it's not

>>51515722
but why

>>51514637
How long can you draw cards in the frozen time?
five, reporting in

>>51515749
OP here, reporting in at six, with Glissa wearing the Nemesis/Stone Mask. Whenever I equipt it to her, I feel it really does mimic the whole 'becoming a vampire' thing in Jojo, seeing as they're the enemies of all life...

So if I'm ready to combo off, should I play Autumn's Veil before or in response to their counter?

>>51515833
Depends on a lot of things

>>51515838

I'm playing Prossh + Food Chain, 90% of my LGS plays blue.

>>51515851
I was more talking about on a game by game basis

>>51515857

Any example?

>>51515872
It's your deck and your meta, you're the one who has to weigh the pros and cons of casting Autumn's Veil before your combo or keeping as protection every time that situation comes up.

Your question is the equivalent of asking "should I bolt my opponent's face or creatures" with pretty much no other context given. The answer will ALWAYS be "depends" unless you can show us an actual boardstate and ask us "what should I do in this situation".

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>>51511927

>Be playing Gonti Control (an Erebos shell with Gonti at the helm for kicks) against NuKalitas control, BR Wort gobos and Atraxa Counters
>Drop Speading Plague at turn 5 and proceed to stall the game
>gets removed after 5 turns, but then me and kalitas are just wiping the board left and right
>Games last for 3 hours since
>decide to tutor Cabal Coffers and Deathcloud and Deathcloud X=20 next turn
>I'm lower than others, but everyone is at or under 20, so everyone's dead
>Other monoblack player and enjoying this ending, while the two others are picking up their cards with a mixture of bitterness and relief.

So, how was your night, fellow /EDH/ players?

>>51514250
Why not Sigg to do merfolk tribal?

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>Only Commander deck is Nekusar
>EDH group has various decks they use, rebuild, switch up, and combine
>tfw haven't changed my decklist in months

>>51511576

So I'm altering this deck to ramp up everyone then lock them out of those resources.

>>51516415
you play groups meta probably revolves around your deck at this point, if you were just to show up with a different one you would throw everything for a loop and literally cause everyone to change their shit up

>>51516471
>>51516415
Show up with a Nath discard deck.

That will send them for a loop.

>>51516471
>>51516503
my group doesn't even give a fuck about meta. Most of them bring modified precons or mishmash decks using the Flavor of the Month commander. One guy even has the tenacity to build entire decks out of a booster box every time a new set comes out.

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>>51510002
Beacon of creation

>>51514250
Jori En is pretty nice. I just got into tiny leaders and yeah, mana reducers, burn, counters, a couple of creatures who are both of your spells for the trigger like Abbott. You can really go off in a big way with just bulk/staples you somehow have a billion copies of.

>>51515833
>>51515851

I think if you're only combo protection is autumns veil, you use it first, that way if they counter it, you can hold on to your combo pieces for another day. Because they wouldn't counter it unless they had another counter

If you do have another protection piece, like an e witness to get back a food chain after they counter it, then you can save autumns veil as long as possible and hopefully "counter" their last counterspell with it

>>51510002
Play khamal instead.

>>51516725

Your***

>>51516382
Post your Thopters list.

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>>51511927
Been a while

>>51514988
If you give me enough time to go off and don't counter my shit, than I deserve to go off.

Plus infinites can help end long games.

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>>51511927
Here is a better version, added some "flair",

Surrak is "complete, or at least it is until more cards come out.

Hope is still in version one, have yet to pick it apart and put it together again.

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>>51511927
The more decks I accrue, the more wonted the need to take them apart, in kind, becomes.

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I'm cutting goodstuff from my Jeleva deck because it's too good in my meta, and I'm going hyper focused on stealing spells and permanents.
What's some spicy payoff for being a thief?

Why is Geist such a fucking jojofag?
Why does he get an enchantment that turns others into jojofags?

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What are some fun commanders you guys like that don't suck cock?

I'm itching to build a new EDH deck but can't decide on where to begin. I kinda want to make Rakdos, but my group hates annihilator for some reason.

Currently I'm rocking Thromok, Kalmah, Kraj, Sydri, Sheoldred and Aboshan

>>51516630
Spicy
>>51516759
No

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>mfw that entire Darevi conversation last thread

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>>51511927
Posting.

>>51517760
I've been having fun with a (U)Braids sea monster deck, that got posted here not too long a ago.

Had to add some some protection against flying, but I love how silly it is.

>>51514988
no. without them them its just 3 hour cold wars

My friend complains that my control deck is "too unfun" and "I never get to cast anything because you counter all my spells" (3 per game at most), so I am making a very interactive creature based deck that I hope is going to be very enjoyable to play against. However, I also want to make a deck that just turns the game into solitaire while everyone else watches me. What are the best commanders to accomplish this? I see Derevi stax get thrown around a lot.

>>51517942
>However, I also want to make a deck that just turns the game into solitaire while everyone else watches me.
Why?

Are you playing for money?

My playgroup hates infinite combos, so I do the best I can within those limits to fulfill my johhny ways.

Unfortunately, that can involve 10 minute turns as I resolve all my triggers and dig for that storm spell, but dying to that seems to be completely fine compared to dying to some infinite combo that instantly says "you're all dead".

I managed to make +300 mana using doubling cubes and copying them last week, then dumped my hand and recast Kozilek from the command zone until I had played pretty much my entire deck, and nobody conceded while I proceeded to play it out until I finally drew Ghonti's Aether Heart, took an extra turn and swung for lethal (I've since added haste effects)

>>51517942
Yeah, Derevi does that job well.

>>51517942
Control decks are interactive(which is why your friend is complaining) they interact with removal and counterspells. Derevi stax just slows the game down, if you wanna play solitaire play Zur Doomsday

>>51517212
It looks like a normal Breya list but with a bigger slant towards Thopters.

Pretty much any ETB Thopter token creator that isn't a shitty vanilla creature is in the deck with Panharmonicon. And the bigger stuff like Sharding Sphinx and Thopter Assembly.

And the good old Thopter Foundry + Sword of the Meek Combo.

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>>51517952
I have endured this man nitpicking every single card I ever play. If I counter a spell that will destroy everything I hold dear in the match, he'll go off on a tangent like "Why should I even bother playing spells when you'll just counter them". He claimed that Turn to Frog is OP, because "it's basically a destroy". I want to show him what an actual deck that is "unfun to play against" is like.

>>51518064
He sounds super new to Magic.

Rashmi, Eternities Crafter + Mind's Dialation = a whole lot of fucking fun. I didn't even realize that was a combo until I was playing tonight.

>>51518160
It's almost unfair.

>>51518085
That's the thing. He IS new, about 5 months playing now. I've tried many, many, many times to explain strategies for playing against control, how to build a deck properly and improve the ones he has, pointed out cards that SPECIFICALLY counter my deck and strategy, bought him blue-hate cards to use, explained concepts such as card advantage and tempo, everything I could to try and help him. So far all he's done is make a mono-white and Alesha deck (which he's had success with), complain that White/Red are the weakest colors in EDH, and complain against my deck. Last I spoke to him, he said he's trying to make MLD and focus entirely on me. I've given up.

>>51518064
Play Budget Tazri Food Chain
Just win on turn 2

>>51518182
>>51518182

i dont think budget tazri food chain wins on turn 2, the one that wins on turn 2 has all the best tutors and lands and such

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>>51517856
Also posting.

In other news, I hate using GIMP. I need to get a cracked Photoshop again.

Is nath just like a controlier taxier elfball?

>>51517856
i wanna see that mogis list im intrigued

>>51518377

>controllier taxier

if you meant to say "staxier", then yes, people usually build nath as elfball and stax, generally combining elements of both, more towards one end or the other based on their preference

"control" is not really the same thing as stax, control is about drawing lots of cards and answering threats. stax is about denying your opponents resources.

in the case of nath, most lists i see use a lot of small elf-bodies and tokens to break the synergy of stuff like smokestack, and they attack the hand with black cards and nath himself

nath + sadistic hypnotist is an incredibly powerful combo that makes nath viable as a commander on its own, with nothing else added. that kind of leads me to want to build nath as more elfball and less stax, and use black just to have a more well-rounded deck than mono-green elfball, with good tutors and some removal options, but i do see how nath can be pretty atractive if youre trying to build the sacrifice-based stax deck, which you often see with endrek-sahr decks (as opposed to the lockdown-tax based stax deck, usually UW, or perhaps daretti/slobad)

>>51518486

>to break the synergy

break the symmetry ****

>>51514988
if your group can deal with them, theyre fine, if they cant, they arent

>>51518486
So i am basically patching up my aggro game with more answers from black and trying to use nath and other effects to keep opponents from being able to keep up with me?

>>51518548

>patching up your aggro game

i feel like as elfball, nobody should be able to compete with you in terms of a combat damage race, except maybe like xenagod, what you want with the black removal is to be able to stop creature-based combos that would go over the top of you

its up to you how much discard you want in your deck. it makes sense, given nath's ability, to be running stuff like oppression to be getting elves every time your opponents cast a spell. and to be running stuff like grave pact, so you can sac your elves and crush your opponents boards, but you dont have to go that direction, its up to you.

>>51518734
Most of what i play is slow and grindy and i just out attrition everyone else so i was just looking at something different with elfball and i only have nath and dwynen as far as legendary elves.

>>51518789

okay if you like slow and grindy, then i'd say go heavy black with it, run oppression, grave pact effects, lots and lots of recursion so you can be discarding and sacrificing but not losing resources

clones, curses, removal, and mana sen triplets. is it viable? unwinding clock should go in? etc etc

>>51518975
paradox engine, i mean. disregard rewinding clock, my soul keeps getting sucked out by working with the public

>>51518486
Fuck this sounds so fun to play but I know my playgroup would instantly cry at the thought of mass discard and stax oppression. Things like Winter Orb and Smokestack would be enough to put them off.

has anyone ever thought of making a discord chatroom? just curious

need Mayael decklists like a gay man needs a dick in the ass.

>>51519052
Yeah,many times. We have about 50% for it and 50% vehemently against it

I'm assuming you're not just fucking with us to get a rise

What is a foil/card you have always wanted to run but never have had an excuse to?

Ith, high arcanist for me. I wish you could suspend from command zone

>>51519280

dawnglow infusion, i love rebecca guay, and the foil is great. also im obsessed with hybrid mana cards. also GW is my favorite color combination

one problem: the card is shit :(

Has anyone made decks from limited resources before? I just made a Rafiq deck from shit in my bulk binder and some of the stuff from my expensive binder.

It's like, 1/4th Voltron, 1/4the enchantress, 1/4th superfriends, and 1/4th goodstuff.

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>>51519324
You can make it work, build a g/w "peace" deck with a fuckload of flying chump blockers, life gain, fog effects, mana ramp, and life gain win conditions. You would not win through attacking, rather you win through felidar sovereign, test of endurance, celestial convergence, darksteel reactor, aetherflux resevoir.

Maybe karametra as commander, or better yet... dragonlord dromoka! That's perfect!

Best of all, you can run a foiled dawnglow infusion

What a weird and interesting deck.

>>51519269
Not fucking about, I have been wondering, since it would be a good alternate way to get in touch

>>51519330
I threw together my baral deck with literally all my random blue cards. It was shunned after I straight up stole somebody's win condition mid combo with vedalken orrery, flashing in phyrexian metamorph and clever impersonator, followed up by a cyclonic rift overloaded. Won using his combo on my upkeep

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>>51519388
Yeah honestly I'd like to get on the discord eventually, I love just shooting the shit about edh.
If I had the link I'd post it. Just be careful asking because you'll rattle the hive and piss off the local autists here.

>>51519370

No I only play good decks

The only way I'll play it is by building a deck that's good enough to be able to waste a bunch of mana on a shiny pet card and still be good

Also i hate almost all of those alternate win condition cards, no desire to build that kind of deck even if it were good

>>51518064
>>51518181

literal scrub behaviour, if he doesnt get it after all that then fuck him, he'll never learn

just keep playing as you do

>>51517423
You have to show me that Surrak decklist. Infinite bearpunching is exactly what my group of bluefags need to stop figuratively masturbating at the table.

>>51514114
>>51514910
you only get starfish if the original actually USED the regeneration shield. you cant pump blue mana into it to get a lot of starfish. check gatherer rulings if you do not believe me.

>>51514988
This format encourages winning through infinite combos, since they are the safest and surest way to kill multiple opponents who start at 40 life.

So like them or not, they are at the heart of EDH.

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>>51519469
>No I only play good decks
>Also i hate almost all of those alternate win condition cards,
>no desire to build that kind of deck even if it were good

>>51519469
You must be fun

having trouble against Azorius/Bant with Krenko.

Fuckin' blue man, I get the bitchin' now.

Anyone here has experience with the 2016 UBRG Yidris precon?

Is it playable out of the box? Is the mana awful? Is it fun? (It certainly looks like fun)

Without any changes, what is the approximate power level comparable to? I'm ideally looking for something that wouldn't autolose to tier 1 decks, yet wouldn't horribly crush casual decks.

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>>51519583
Red elemental blast
Boil
Boiling seas
Pyroblast
Active volcano
burnout
Spinal villain
Magnetic mountain

>>51519610
Don't forget jaya Ballard as well

>>51519593
Yeah, my step dad was convinced he wanted to learn magic "in the hardest way possible" so he chose ydris.

It's mana is fine, can be better but you know. Chromatic lantern does work. It's playable out of the box, but not necessarily incredibly powerful. It has alot of graveyard synergy because it wheels non-stop. It was fun to see go off.
The main difference between the precon and "tuned" ydris decks I've noticed is the addition of multiple combat steps and double strike to give ydris multiple cascades per spell.

As far as powerlevel, it hosed a precon kalemne, went toe to toe with my mid power level kraj deck, but lost to a combo ghave deck.

Hope I helped!
As for your

>>51519644
Ignore the end of that post, it's late out here and I'm tired as fuck

>>51519576
>>51519557
>>51519576

hey we have a lot of fun in our playgroup, but the powerlevel is high enough that i have no interest in running a "fogs and lifegain" deck

its not so high that we only do hyper-competitive shit by any means

anyway i think the "fun" of alternate win con stuff like felidar sovereign and darksteel reactor is just way overrated, there's nothing fun to me about it

whats fun for me in magic is just valuing really hard with synergistic good stuff. and the strategy involved in anticipating your opponents plays

i get no fun out of shuffling together a bunch of bad cards just to be a special snowflake

>>51518408
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mogis-god-of-sunshine-and-happiness/

Here you go my friend.

>>51519434
Oh yea? How bad does it get?

As an edh related question, should I put eldrazi monument in endrek sahr?

Cutting a deck down to 100 cards is always the hardest fucking thing for me and it takes for ever.
I'm currently working on a Ghoulcaller Gisa deck that's zombie tribal and mono black devotion.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ghoulcaller-gisa-mono-black-devotion/
That's what I'm currently down to.

Any tips on things to tear out?

>>51520101
Not probably worth it. Endrek is not for combat.

I have the option to buy a japanese Stalwart Unity deck for $20. Do I pull the trigger?

>>51517560
Post list for Titania?

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>>51519610
Striking silent as a dream, cutting short the strangled scream

The lines of bluish life it cuts, with its vill'nous, spinal butts

>>51520174
>Cutting a deck down to 100 cards is always the hardest fucking thing for me and it takes for ever.
I know that feel, bro. I could build an entire new deck with cards that are good, but not good enough for the 99.

I'm also looking for cards to throw out of my current list.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ideal-zedruu/

>Any tips on things to tear out?
Is Necromancer's Stockpile pulling its weight?

>>51520257
That's the gayest thing ever.

Also get ready to quote the oracle text of all the cards every damn game.

How do people play Haakon/Phage as commanders? Is there a card that puts your commander from the command zone to somewhere else that I don't know about..?

>>51520362
Command Beacon.

>>51520445

...

I knew that card existed, but I swore it did something else. Cheers.

>>51518364
Mind posting Kambal?

Alright I only have evil black decks and its time to be the hero. Odric or Darion any fun for a human lives matter deck? Also how can I live out my druid dreams through a commander?

>>51515194
But that's UW and he's building Talrand

>>51520856
If you want a true "Human lives matter" Commander, try Sigarda, Heron's Grace instead. Empress of Man!

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hatefxxkgutterpunk/

Please I'm so confused. Fuck off about my lands, I did what I could, but what the fuck am i doing wrong. ramp into mayael, tap for creature, ???, PROFIT!

Why isnt it working?

>>51517942
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/217227-karador-ghost-chieftain

>>51520951
You don't have enough lands. You have lots of early ramp, but that stuff just gets you to 3 or 4 mana a turn early, and mayael costs 6 to activate, so getting her out when you aren't set up to get to 6 mana the next turn is bad, it just opens her up to boardwipes and other removal.

Second off treat her as something that gives you card advantage, not "cheating" things into play. It costing 6 to activate means you aren't saving much mana.

Finally, you are missing braindead retarded obvious cards like worldly tutor and brutalizer exarch.

Gitgud/10

>>51521152
that's a perspective i hadn't considered for it, thank you. My gameplan otherwise seems fine?

I just want to ramp mana and smack people. This is not meant to be a complicated deck.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/i-had-fun-once-it-was-terrible/
Too much combo bullshit going on at my LGS. I know I'm gonna draw so much hate that I'm never going to win a single game, but I want to at least play king maker for more honest decks.

>>51521255
>too much bullshit
>I want to play kingmaker

The irony

>>51521255
>Too much combo bullshit going on at my LGS.
>also puts a combo in his deck

>>51508669
>Cards for flavor
I really WANT to put in Nissa into my decked out elf deck. Even got her in foil. But there's just no ROOM.

>>51516564
>One guy even has the tenacity to build entire decks out of a booster box every time a new set comes out.
Sounds fun, but it any good? What are the highlights?

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>>51521317
Posting image cause everyone likes images

How2Scapeshift in EDH? Titania seems like the best bet.

>>51521960
Wort+Boundless Realms for ALL the mountains.

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>>51521960

>>51521990
>Wort
>Prismatic Omen
>Valakut, Vesuva copy, Thespian's Stage copy
>Scapeshift, conspire
>Splendid Reclamation
>9 damage for each land dropping in

>>51521999
Nice trips.

Hey, speaking of Baru, how does the Grandeur combo with him in EDH works? I've heard about it but never figured how.

ordered 3 of every pain land today, that should keep me going for a while right?

>>51522039
As far as I know it's an awfully complicated mess.

>>51521327
Why play the worst nissa?

>>51522039
What's Grandeur combo?

>>51521999

I really wish they had reprinted him in a frame that wasn't pure ass.

>>51522225
You somehow in monoG make a copy of Baru, bounce the original then discard the original for the Grandeur ability of the copy. Mirror Gallery is one of the cards used because of legend rule but my knowledge of how it works stops there.

>>51522039
I'm probably wrong, but initial idea is clone effect + command beacon/e-wit/Nature's Spiral/ whatever else brings a dead guy to your hand in green. Crucible of worlds if you use beacon to trade your land drop for a wurm, repeatedly. Most cloning is blue, but I guess artifact may have some?

>>51514607
I spent 30 maybe 40 dollars on my breya landbase and it's not the most competetive but works out most of the time in a pretty fast paced meta.

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>>51519610
>>51519625
>>51520304
Cryoclasm?

>>51514607
honestly you can buy the breya deck and then drop like 30-50 bucks on shocks, duel, and fetches to make it playable. the deck itself is pretty good once you fix up the mana plus kaladesh and aether revolt have a bunch of really cheap cards that work well in it

4/5 color decks being expensive is a myth as long as you know what your doing, ya you will sacrifice some tempo going the budget route but it hardly matters in commander and especially with breya

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>>51520257
Fucking no. Buy American.

>>51522231
I like the novelty. It is a reminder of the last time wizards was adventurous with design space.

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Does anybody here have experience with playing this card? Is it any good?

>>51522231
Everyone point and laugh at this shit taste.

>>51522981
Beyond unplayable.

>>51522981
"Hey guys, I'm totally not fetching a game winning combo now".
Also diabolic revelation is 1 mana extra, but far more flexible and no discard.

If you've got a cheap combo it's pretty okay though, just don't expect to survice the next turn cycle.

>>51521317
But that ultimate would be so sweet if you can just dump your deck onto the field. Wouldn't even care if someone boardwiped after

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Does anyone have any experience / spicy tech for an Asmira, particularly tokens / boardwipes strategy?

>>51520823
>Mind posting Kambal?

Sure. It's the one I've been working on the most recently. Getting ready to add a Wound Reflection and a Vampiric Link in. Once I decide what to take out.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-01-17-bleed-them-dry/

>>51522451
>30 or 40 dollars on duals/shocks/fetches

Even if he burned me on some unsalvageably low-quality stuff, china man does do great work on his lands.

>>51519593
I think yidris is a decent precon.

I took out a few creatures, and made it a bit more spell heavy.

The goal of the deck is twofold. Make you and your opponents dump their deck into their graveyard and then use the graveyard as just another resource.


I added memory plunder (insanely powerful card) and similar effects

>>51523308
I personally like Yidris with ETBs up the ass, but that's just me. Wheels are fun too.

>>51523410
Honestly, Yidris rarely comes out unless I am in a real safe position, most players wont let him live a round. So I rarely get cascade triggers. Pretty unfortunate that I am just using him for 4 colors.

Let's say EDH starting life is changed to 30 and commander damage rule is removed.

How does this affect the format?

>>51523604
Real slow and turtley.

>>51523304
>duals/shocks/fetches
Where did i say that? I run rainbowlands, filterlands, painlands, bouncelands and scrylands + urborg and artifact lands
And getting breya out turn 4 or sometimes even 3 is usually not a problem

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>>51523580
I see. Whispersilk Cloak and/or Protective Bubble might help solve some of those problems, if you wish to get those cascade triggers.

>>51522981
I run it in a marrow-gnawer deck that has black market/ashnod's altar/extraplanar lens/cabal coffers, so the high cost isn't too much of a problem, and I usually end up discarding nothing but relentless rats or swamps.

>>https://deckstats.net/decks/38880/?lng=en
My decks:
>Yidris
>Riku
>Mimeoplasm
>Omnath, Rage
>Grimgrin
>Zedruu

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I just got this card in a boost, I've only played about 10 serious games of MtG so is this card worth building around or something?

>>51523220
Awakening zone and from beyond make tokens that can sac themselves. I'm not sure you'd want more than a few board wipes since you'd have to give her indestructible, I'd personally focus on saccing tokens for value. Spawning pit, ashnod's/phyrexian alter, evolutionary leap come to mind for this. Skullmulcher is pretty spicy too.

>>51519472
Sadly bear punch isn't in the deck, but the deck still hits hard.

>http://decks.deckedbuilder.com/d/272450

>>51523851
while it can be worth building around, if you are new to magic I would shy away.


Colorless decks are a bit harder to manage due to all the restrictions put on them.

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>>51515820
Posting this even though nothing's changed, so I figure the least I can do is talk about some of the online decks I run in EDH (Cockatrice, I'm not shilling out cash so I can shill more cash for a shitty online version of my cardboard addiction)

>Queen Marchesa
Made a slightly more tuned version of her for online play based heavily on the list I already use. Oddly, you don't actually even want Athreos half the time because once you get the right cards "up and running", the graveyard is better than anything in your hand
The deck runs purely off Alesha in a lot of cases but she's not the commander because she can be searched out of the deck, and Queen Marchesa can be a great enabler for the rest of the deck

>Zurgo Bellstriker
Also known as Initial Z: Eurobeatdown, it uses as many global damage-doubling effects as it can, aggressive car-based vehicles with Crew 3 or less, a few dash creatures, and "fun" red chaos like Galvanoth and Wild Evocation. It's silly, but surprisingly resilient. Anyone who runs sorcery-speed creature removal will hate you.

Sidar + Ravos
Sneaky beaky tokens. Has some much needed redundancy with Behind the Scenes and Palace Siege and some one-offs that otherwise do what the commanders do to some degree, to make up for trying to keep both of them out. Midnight Guard + Presence of Gond is the wincon, outside of evasive-ass tokens.

What should I build next, Rashmi or Sultai Sidisi?

>>51522231
You fucking nigger. I wish you could burn. YOU'RE the reason whyRares have that Foil asshole and why fanning out your cards STILL doesn't give you all the info you need.

>>51523622
Wait.

What?

>>51522215
For that cleavage

>>51524124
In a multiplayer format 30 life is still enough to prevent easy/swift damage based win condition.


Removing commander damage just allows pillowforts, or any life gain deck to become unkillable unless you are packing infect/poison or infinite combos.

>>51520257
i can attest to the second half of >>51520358
unless you are learning the language though, it kinda helps to try and read it

>>51523983
Post list for Sigarda?

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Have you checked your mail today yet /edh/?

>>51524203
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sigarda-multirole-1/

It's far from perfect and needs to be updated, but hey, it's a base to work from.

>>51524214
Oh right, I wanted to add some money to my magiccardmarket account today.

>>51524214
I put the order in last night, unfortunately won't be here today .

Foiled gwaffa and ith high Archanist are on route

>>51524214
I have Falkenrath Aristocrat and Foil Toshiro on the way. Mail hasn't come yet.

Falkenrath Aristocrat is my cardfu

>>51522981
Doomsday does it better

Ok /edh/
Tell me what's on your shopping list for your next card order?
What has the highest priority and what are you most excited about?

For me it's Mikaeus, The Unhallowed (high priority), Avenger of Zendikar (high priority), Mox Opal (high priority), Ugin, The Spirit Dragon (very excited) and Phyrexian Metamorph (very excited and high priority)

>>51524803
Foiled detention sphere!

>>51524803
Baral, i need him for a monoblue counters deck, and in my nekusar, and in a temur lands deck.

>>51524803
Vigor, Akroma's Memorial, and Contagion Engine

>>51524803
Boseiju, Who Shelters All because fuck that one blue deck in my playgroup.

>>51524803
I'm actually really excited about getting some judge promos from my friend. I could care less about thrm being foils, really, but the new art us what sells me on them. I also just love the Decree cycle.

I'm also starting the long process of making Karona Voltron/Pillowfort, so ordering the pieces for that is high priority.

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>>51524930
The Decree Promo I'm talking about

I recently built an Uril deck that most of my playgroup already despises swinging enough for commander damage kill with protection from creatures and indestructible from t6 every game will do that, I suppose
Now I want to build a deck that the group will like, but can still have fun ways to win. I was thinking of building Kami of the Crescent Moon in a "let everyone draw their deck and see what happens, or kill them with iron maiden/viseling, or win via laboratory maniac"
How can I make this work? Would it be fun for the group? I've only been playing for like 3 months so I don't want accidentally build another deck that wins every game

>>51524975
Sounds like your friends just hate losing. Just make a deck made of vanilla black creatures and no spells, your friends will love it.

>>51524803
Burgeoning - cheapest it is ever going to be
Promo Krosan Grip - Pimp
Yavimaya Hollow - Before it goes the way of Serra's Sanctum.

>>51524975
I've built this deck it's hella fun.
You'll want a lot of counter magic, heavy mana doubling, a lot of "everyone draw's x" effects, and atleast a way to reshuffle your library.

I'd recommend goofy wincons/bad cards as a subtheme. it really lets you take more games by surprise if you bluff your path to victory while holding psychosis crawler or something harsher in your hand.

>>51524975
Kami is a babby deck, its just a labman enter the infinite combo deck. Nothing wrong with that if you're a combo kid, but there are other commanders that do it in a much more interesting way.

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>>51524975
Azami does the Lab Maniac win pretty well. While some people don't like her, I find her super fun. She also let's you play janky wizards that don't have much of a place elsewhere.
You win with Enter the Infinite+Lab Maniac and drawing usually, but you can cut ways to grab Enter the Infinite, or cut it entirely if you just want to draw naturally out.

>>51524214
waiting on a Masterwork sword of fire/ice and sol ring in the mail right now....thinking about dropping the dosh for a mana crypt but trying to see if if the dude in my meta is interested in my bayou first.

>>51522233
Yeah, you need to recur it somehow, but seems really unreliable

>>51524803
My branching into mono-u is working out nicely. Got a Cryptic Command and Disallow on the way. Next is up is a Snapcaster and thinking about a Time Spiral and Treachery

>>51523983
Would you mind posting that Zurgo list? I've been wanting to make a new Red deck and your list looks like a fun way to test-drive the vehicle mechanic in EDH.

>>51524214
>all them red cards
good taste. I got some in a friend's mail, among them a NuGrenzo, a Feldon and loot effects in general.

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>>51523220

>>51524803

I'm working on my Rashmi, Eternities Crafter, and I really need to work on the land base. As of now I only have a all of two lands that produce UG, so I'd like to grab some more. I also need some UG staples like Cyclonic Rift and Murkfiend Liege. Probably pick up Pongify while I am at it too.

>>51525148
put in Reality Shift over Pongify, it's better.

>>51525044
that's exactly what I was thinking.
>>51525051
>>51525073
My idea is fun over all, if I win it will be if I let them draw half their deck and they can't

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>>51523983
You've got some great deck names!

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>>51511927
Got to update a few of them and add a few. Working on finishing up Depala NASCAR.

>>51525161

True, but Pongify is just so funny.

What deck most efficiently undermines the spirit of the game?

>>51524803
A pair of Skyshroud Claims for Xenagod and Yidris, plus a bunch of miscellaneous crap for my Scion Reanimator deck.

>>51525319

chaos/randomness

>>51525319
Grouphug kingmaker.

>>51525196
I kinda want to do an all-vehicles deck.

What else are you putting in there?

>>51523220
>>51525135
By that same logic, Cataclysm, Cataclysmic Gearhulk and Tragic Arrogance are also spicy tech to run.

>>51525319
Lantern Control style.

Turbo-stax.

>>51525319
winconless groupslug

>>51525169
Get snow islands is all I have to say, extra planar lense does work in kami.

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I'm looking for good, efficient enchantments that can single-handedly win the game if unopposed, like Assemble the Legion, Sacred Mesa or Dragon Roost. Basically more targets for Enduring Ideal if my main combo gets interrupted.

Pic semi-related.

>"I'm really not sure I want to spend 14 on this fetchland..."
>buy 5 foil versions of cards in my deck for 3 each

Every damn time.

>>51525519
What would I get snow islands for?

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Hey I need some suggestions for proxy token art. A guy I know is making good token proxies and I'm missing the 3/3 Red Ogre from OG Zendikar block that Kazuul makes for my Marduchesa Deck. I'm leaning pretty heavily towards something like
>pic related

Could y'all recommend any better Shreks or ogres for me to use as my art?

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>>51525084
Speak of the devil.

So I feel like I need at least one or two more masterworks.

>>51525196
post Trostani

>>51523633
Sorry. I'm a dumby who meant to quote >>51522769 . One day, I may learn proofreading is important.

>>51525757
Extraplanar lens cares about the named card exiled with it.
Exile a snow land, regular lands of that type(opponents) don't get the bonus

>>51524975
Kami isn't very interesting if you build him like that. Turbostasis is the most unique way to build him, but your playgroup won't like you for it, since it's a relative of daddy stax.

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>cast traumatize on myself
>living death next turn
>table scoops before etbs start resolving
>tfw

truly the thinking man's combo

How is this Sidisi deck? Any spicy tech I'm missing or cards that are shit?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-lich-king-and-master-of-zombies/

>>51526129
traumatize, put that shit in you fuck

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>>51526129

>>51526153
>Excuse me while I count the cards in my deck and then count again to put half of that in my graveyard

>>51526217
You don't know how to count?

>>51526129
I play Gitrog monster and Splendid Reclamation in my Sidisi deck.

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>Ordered Ydris precon now that's starting to slolwly creep up in price and cards to upgrade it

>Ordered cards to finish up Lazav

>Get the first cards for Kalistax

And I still have the urge to build Omnath. I'm going to drown in cardboard, man

>>51526244
It takes time to count and you have to count twice. It's a strong card in that deck, it's just not fun.

>>51526217
i'm this guy >>51526112

i resolved it for the first time today. it really didn't take that long. what you do is you count the cards in your play and in your hand, then deduct that amount from 99, then divide that amount by half.

so basically if you have 16 cards in play

>99 - 16 = 83
>83 / 2 = 41.5, rounded down, 41
>count 4 stacks of 10 cards each, should take about 3 seconds per pile
>put each pile in your GY

done

but i can't fault you for being intimidated, i thought it would take a long time as well

>>51526306
of course if you have your commander out then it's 100 minus your hand + cards in play/gy/exile

you can also do the counting on other people's turns if they don't mind, there usually isn't much responding to it in casual games

>>51525319

EggsDH.

>>51525319
Anything with a hermit druid combo

>>51525319
anything that utilizes tutors to make a beeline for a wincon

What's the best card sleeves for EDH? I find the Dragon Shield mattes are hard to shuffle thanks to all the extra friction the textured card backs add.

>>51526453
dragon sleeve mattes are rough, which makes them great for handling them without them slipping and sliding all over the place

if you can't shuffle them comfortably then your technique is poopy

>>51526453
Dragon Shields or KMC

>>51526453
KMCs a best

>>51526442
is sunforgering for answers against the spirit of the game?

>>51526516
>>51526617
But KMC products come in packs of 80, so I'd need two to sleeve one deck, and then have 60 extra sleeves of that deck's colour. Are they so much better than Dragon Shield? How much friction do the card backs have?

>>51526702
I solved that problem by buying 5 packs for 4 decks.

>>51526702
Dragon shield are better, people who have trouble with the cards sliding around are little bitches who cum in their hands too much.

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>WotC has been subtly buffing Red combat tricks
>Trample now frequently appears on red combat tricks
>Combat tricks see zero play outside of infect which doesn't play red
>Zada EDH gets new toys every standard set since it was created
>Plan B Zada was printed with Mirrorwing Dragon

Name one other deck that gets unintentionally buffed as frequently as Zada.

Dragon Shield Matte are the best sleeves you can get, hands down (haven't tried Hareruya yet).

Just make sure to get the latest batch (they have triangles around the bottom text on the front of the packaging instead of a rectangle).

If you have problems with the sliding of perfect fits, wash your hands and use the proper method of sliding them in (finger pressing against the front).