Warhammer 40k General - /40kg/

First for the Ynnari, suck it Mon'keigh.

Second for Marines Malevolent.

A random number for the Changer of Ways!

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shitposting this from the last thread because it ended right after i asked

why do tourney lists never spam necron warriors and never have thier two min squads in ghost arks

i thought warriors were really really good infantry and ghost arks gave them the mobility they need

>are they actually not good or is it just the super super high level tourney meta that makes other options better?

one for the Omnissiah

>>51509077

>>51509021
has anyone ever tried any photoluminescent paint on their minis? I was thinking about giving the necrons some of it.

>>51509081
massed S6 shooting

>>51509077
IT'S A SIGN

>>51509084
The Omnissah isn't pleased with anything you just vomited in to that post.

cheap place I can get the rules and codexes?

>>51509081

It's because the ITC is not warhammer 40k. There are quite a few changes to the rules. Warrior are very very good if you do them properly. The ITC's retarded playstyle discourages their use however, and because the ITC is kinda insular they all end up hopping on the same bandwagons and then touting them as the only way to do things.

>>51509081
From my experience warriors are good at objective holding, surviving, and gunning down most things that come within their threat range, but should any dedicated melee survive their overwatch they're almost guaranteed to be swept unless you roll REALLY well with reanimation.

>>51509108
Well I guess I'll just have to burn some incense, chant litanies and beg for forgiveness

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Reposting from the previous thread in hopes to get someone to look into it.

Want to play a co-op game against a Tyranid swarm with a friend in Tabletop Simulator. Neither of us played Tyranids before so I tossed this together.

Our lists will either be 1500 or 1850 points and I was thinking of giving both Hive Tyrants a Warlord trait and making the mission objective either to survive for 4/5 turns or as an alternate win-con to kill both Hive Tyrants and expanding the Living Tide rules to also rely on either of the two being alive.

Needless to say, the Nids won't be controlled by a player.

>>51509077
Praise Lord Tzeentch, for he has taken the numbers of the Great Corrupter and defiled them for his own!

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What auxillary complements the Kakophani best?

Working on a Rogue Trader campaign. If two dynasties were trying to claim the same planet, what are some reasons that would prevent an all-out war between them? I'm thinking something like an ancient treaty.

Rate please

1850 Splinters of Chaos (name WIP)
The Purge Detachment (Vraks Renegades and Heretics) [Primary Detachment]
HQ
Renegade Command Squad: 1x Arch Demagogue (Ordnance Tyrant, Devotion of Nurgle), 2x Disciples (lasguns), 1x Disciple Autocannon Team

Elites
Renegade Strike Battery: 2x Renegade Wyverns, 2 heavy flamers
Renegade Strike Battery: 2x Renegade Wyverns, 2 heavy flamers

Troops
20x Plague Zombie Mob
21x Plague Zombie Mob

Heavy Support
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training
Renegade Rapier Laser Destroyer Battery: 3x Rapiers, 6x crew, weapons training

Fortification
Aegis Defense Line, quad gun

Combined Arms Detachment (Chaos Daemons; Heralds of Anarchic)
HQ
Herald of Tzeentch, Paradox Psyker, ML3
Herald of Tzeentch, Endless Grimoire Psyker, ML1
7X Herald of Tzeentch, ML1

Allied Detachment (Chaos Space Marines)
HQ
Sorcerer, master level 3, bolt pistol, force sword

Troops
5x Chaos Space Marines, plasma gun
Rhino, dozerblades, death of kasyr lutein

Heavy Support
Fire Raptor, 2 reaper autocannon batteries, 4 balefire missiles

>>51509094
I tried some on my Tyranids for the eyes. It doesn't go on very well, and it's hard to notice the effect a lot of the time.

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What's this, guys?

>local tourney meta is semi competitive
>to reduce cheeselords the shop owner puts some restrictions in place
>3/5ths of your army must be a CAD
>2/5ths may be a detachment of any other kind allied/formation/2nd CAD OR a LoW
>so no decurions, no double demicompany, no knight armies, keeps it kinda casual while still letting people bring thier A game, but here the kicker
>if a formation or detachment also fits the perimeters of a CAD it can count as your primary detachment
>so this literally goes back to square one, as long as your ultra cheese army doesnt have more than 2 HQs, 3 HS etc youre good to go
>im sure you can think of tons of mega broken armies that fit under a CAD as well
>shop owner says its to let armies like AdMech be able to play
>i try to explain but he doesnt understand
>this is what happens when someone who never plays 40k organizes a tourney
>people are going to start catching on and run off everyone but the most high tier players
should i just bring a broken as fuck necron army or a castellans of the imperium army and sweep the tourney to prove that this clause is broken before it gets out of hand? theres a couple massive cheese lords who are very WAAC who will take advantage of this in an instant once they find out about this change.

>or is everyone just skrubs who should git gud and stop trying to balance 40k?

>>51509201
crush the tourney

>>51509105
even with a basically rerollable 4+ against scat and a resistance to grav they still arent good?

>>51509198
Thought that was a swastika by glancing over it.

>>51509198
It's a hatch of some description, the central cog turns and unlocks the 3 bolts around the edge.

>>51509121
i guess its cause ive never been to a real tournament, ill probably realize its just not the same 40k played at my LGS's friendly tournys when i start heading to them in 6 months

>in before ITC hate derails the thread tho

>>51509198
It's a retarded way of moving the top cog side to side, moving the bottom cog.
They're pistons essentially.

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i'm trying out a few iterations of a thousand sons army
any tips how i should modify it?

>>51509201
What broken Castellans list are you considering?

Most I put together with that detachment so far was a dumb "respawning Land Raiders" list for my Black Templars.

>>51509187
Sorcerer needs a familiar.

>>51509197
Oh that sucks, I was hoping to make all their green detailing really glow

>>51509198
Duardin or Ad Mech, but looks more fantasy to me.

>>51509258
Give your Exalted Sorc Seer's Bane so you can actually do shit.

To the brother initiate from last thread who is starting a Templar army, let me add a few more tips. Always try to take one or more vindicators if you plan on fielding land raiders. At 125 pts vindicators are one of the best investments a Templar can make. It will put a huge target on the field that your opponent will want to deal with, if they ignore it you get a huge gun, if they focus it you only paid 125 pts, so it's win win. If you're like me you will want to field a huge mob of crusaders and sing biblical hyms as they March into battle, but if you want them to actually get into battle you need to take other things that will distract opponents, storm talons are another great unit for this, and drop podding iron clad dreads with two heavy flamers if you're playing xenos that fielded infantry out of tanks (this is particularly effective agaisnt tau gun lines). And always remember that when things look grim and you are questioning your next move, the answer is always move forward and pray. The emperor will protect you by cursing your opponents dice rolls.

How'd I do, /teej/?

>Elder Butt Pirates (1850 pts)

Corsair Prince (Jetpack, Reaper of the Outer Dark, Rage)

2x Coterie
-Sky Burners
-Baron (Jetpack, Shimmershield, Rage)
-3x Corsair Reaver Band (Jetpack, 5x Pistols, 1x Lasblaster, 4x Blaster, Rage)

Coterie
-Sky Burners
-Baron (Jetpack, Shimmershield, Rage)
-2x Corsair Reaver Band (Jetpack, 5x Pistols, 1x Lasblaster, 4x Blaster, Rage)
-Corsair Balestrike Band (2x Lasblaster, 3x Splinter Cannon)

Strategy is to Deep Strike in, kill anything with lots of AP4 shooting, and then use the 7-12" thrust move to spread out from templates. If they bubblewrap everything worth shooting at I'll just jump around and capture objectives.

>>51509112
I also want to know this, I don't want to shell out my sheckles for a new codex.

>>51509266
>>51509187
In addition, I'd make the CSM Word Bearers and take one of their psyker support relics. Maybe even do the Nurgle Palanquin summoner thing.

>>51509187
Sorcerer needs familiar also choose a legion like word bearers and summon on 3+

>>51509198
Inside (except everyone mounts it the wrong way) of the rear hatch of a new Admech transport.

>>51509266
Yeah you're right, the plasma gun didn't belong in the formation anyway.

>>51509258
Rubrics need a Rhino.

Give the Exalted the Seer's Bane or drop him down to a Regular Sorcerer.

>>51509326
Omnissiah be praised, I sure hope so

>>51509201
Do this: >>51509221

He will never learn if you don't.

>>51509264
like i said our meta is pretty casual
im pretty sure a well run list of wyvern spam,respawning scouts and vets in chimeras, and maybe a grav dev deathstar with the hunters eye or something like that, all with obsec from coteaz, will just rip everyone apart and take the WAACfag eldar player who always gets top 3 off guard

its honestly not hard to make a broken list with the CotI especially when everyone else is so restricted, or thinks they are

>>51509201
CAD only doesn't really make the balance any better, it just shifts what's the new utterly broken bullshit. Daemons and Eldar both can go full cheddar and stick to a CAD, and there will still be a wide variety of Imperial superfriends deathstars viable under those restrictions.

Unless you're willing to go full hog and start imposing unit/formation datasheet alterations, don't bother with any comp shit. Just tell people that it's not supposed to be super WAAC and let the community self-police.

>>51509326

FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY LET IT BE SO!

>>51509307
Palanquin summoner?
>>51509323
Thanks alot guys, sound advice.

>>51509121
Really? what kind of changes does ITC have that are so groundbreaking?

>>51509401
The Palanquin gives the summoner a bunch of extra wounds to just tank all the Perils he'll be suffering.

>>51509326

I would certainly love for this to be true.

>>51509326
That bit is clearly supposed to be on the outside. If it was inside you wouldn't need the gears, you'd just need a single handle.

>>51509280
why is a seers bane so important on an exalted sorcerer?
i didn't think i want to go into close combat as the sons

>>51509402
It doesn't really make any major changes, he's just one of the inexplicably ass-pained anti-ITC shills.

Warriors are slow, don't have that good of firepower, and can wither in the assault phase. Sure, they're durable, but that doesn't do much good when ObSec Jetbikes and Rhinos can just grab any objectives they need from underneath your feet.

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>>51509198
a door xD

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>>51509345
>>51509221
>>51509201

here's a list i threw together in fucking seconds, its your standard run of the mill necron rape list at 1700 for the upccoming tourney, and it totally fits a CAD

i really have no doubt this would just fucking crush everyone because people are bringing such unoptomized lists since they are restricted by the 3/5ths rule, theres like one eldar player who just spams skat and D and people who try and bring skyhammer and wolfstars, but i really just dont think any of them could stand up to a well run standard decurion, adn with this loophole i could bring it and stomp

i really might because theres 2-3 faggots who try and push the restrictions as hard as they can and care about nothing but winning and taking money home, theyve already run new people off and i know they would jump at the oppertunity to bring more cheese even though they get top scores every tourney already

i jsut want to set an example for why this needs to change

>>51509444
If you aren't going into CC, don't bother with the Exalted. The one-use blast isn't worth the sixty points, and the stat upgrades aren't much good outside melee. If you're going into melee, the Seer's Bane is great. An average 3.5 additional attacks, ID anything below T5 and below without Force, and wound on a 4+ at worst and usually a 3+ or 2+? Seer's Bane is absolutely amazing.

>>51509417
And you just park it backline, next to the Kasyr rhino?

>>51509490
woops too many FA, guess ill just bring the destroyer cult as my second detachment, so dumb

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>>51509509
ah ok thanks i modified the list a bit is that better?

>>51509444
Seer's bane is S2 Demonic Force weapon that uses your and enemy ID instead of S and T. That means that you wound at at least 4, and usually 3s and 2s. You also insta-kill everything that has T5 or lower.

Fun stars one you get Biomancy, Sinistrum, Telepathy and start buffing your Sorc into absolute melee beast that can rip entire squads apart with ease.

>>51509294
Much appreciated. Playing around with some ideas in the roster creator just to see if I can get something good going. Definitely liking the idea of a couple of Vindicators!

>>51509402


They handle objectives differently, which in and of itself is a huge change, and they faq'ed the hell out of a bunch of rules. They actively turn over or refute existing rules to suit their whims.

>>51509455

Wasup ITC shill? Played any actual games with the actual rules, or are you just doing their shit scenarios?

>>51509520
ghost arks aren't dedicated transports?

>>51509518
You could, but with the Spell Familiar he can safely truck upfield with the Zombies.

That said, a CSM Sorcerer has access to some great support disciplines, and the Heralds provide plenty of summoning. Having him go Undivided for maximum dice on Telepathy or Biomancy or Heretech or Sinistrum might often be the better option.

>>51509538
thanks for the explanation
my next question would have been what disciplines to use as i'm stumped which to use

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>>51509462

Nice

>>51509530
Better.

How set are you on the Tzaangor? Unfortunately, they're pretty crappy. Allied Daemons are much, much better.

Let's list some ways we can buff
>Dark Eldar
>Tyranids
>Orks

>>51509609
massed s6 and d

Question, I'm trying to shamelessly WAAC Celestine as hard as I can and needed some input from others. Can I do the following?

>add her to a vanguard unit under the formation that allows them to show up when I want turn 1/2 + charge out of deepstrike
>if so would the entire unit get hit and run or just her
>can I stack her orbital strike with my chapter masters using the barrage rule
>if so do they have to be next to each other or can they do this from anywhere that either of them can see
My plan is to put chapter master in a land raider with a solid melee unit and use celestine to harass and tie up enemy shooting units, and possibly even take out enemy armour with her armourbane sword.


Also, what is THE most WAAC way to use her? I'm talking eldar tier WAAC, I want people to be physically upset with me.

>>51509603
i'm not really set on the tzaangors and i'm thinking about getting the start collecting tzeentch demons box
but i don't know if it is any good to take them as i have far less bodies on the board

>>51509558
they are i'm just retarded and dont know how to set something as a DT in this listbuilder

On another note how do you guys feel about destroyer cult and canoptic harvest? I'm still fleshing out my necrons and i cant tell which to do over the other for my decurion.

>>51509609
give back nids all their cool biomorph options, make synapse less of a crutch that you have to rely on and more of a buff.

>>51509201
>if a formation or detachment also fits the perimeters of a CAD it can count as your primary detachment
Wait, doesn't a Gladius Battle Company fit in a standard CAD?

>>51509578
Really depends on what are you facing. Heretech is surprisingly good since most lists will run at least some vehicles, and you can go all out on it if they have a lot of them. Divination allows you to buff your shooty units, Telepathy for Shriek and Invisibility cheese and so on.

On Exalted, just pick something that lets him buff himself, so mostly ones i listed earlier.

So where the fuck do i put the Dark Apostle in a Alpha Legion Lost and Damned formation? He needs to be close to buff them, but cannot join them because he does not have Infiltrate. What am i supposed to do?

>>51509435
I bet you put your Russ hatches on upside down.

>>51509628
don't be a prick man

>>51509628
Literally only the part with Hit and Run is legal and possible

>>51509635
If you want the Burning Chariot because you like the model, get the Start Collecting. Otherwise, I'd just get a bunch of Horrors boxes.

Tzaangors are fragile and mediocre at best in combat. Horrors are much more durable and provide all important Warp Charge. Once you've got the models, you can start summoning them back as they die to keep your numbers up.

>>51509657
ok thanks i will try that
i think i will get the hang of what suits me best wehen i get my army an have played a few games

>>51509665
It is too late brother. I won't sit idle while the xenos table us without effort, I will take the fight to then and do what must be done

>>51509694
Field whatever the fuck you want, I can't dp anything about it, but 40k is about making the game as much fun for the opponent as it is to you

Don't be that guy

>>51509689
So she gives hit and run to whatever unit she joins? That is good to know

>>51509659
Give him a bike/jump pack/mind veil.

>>51509628
>add her to a vanguard unit under the formation that allows them to show up when I want turn 1/2 + charge out of deepstrike
I'm pretty sure they lose that bonus if someone from outside the formation joins them. There was a FAQ about it.
>if so would the entire unit get hit and run or just her
The entire unit should already have hit and run from jump packs, but only one model needs it
>can I stack her orbital strike with my chapter masters using the barrage rule
Barrage just lets you fire without LoS, right?
>if so do they have to be next to each other or can they do this from anywhere that either of them can see
They wouldn't have to see it and the range on orbital strikes is unlimited.

>>51509690
i think i'll get the start collecting with a few extra horrors (pink and blue for the splits after death)
so i have choice and can start a demon army if i want to
just question shall i use one sorceror of the sons for summoning or just the herald as he can't peril that easily?

>>51509628
>>add her to a vanguard unit under the formation that allows them to
show up when I want turn 1/2 + charge out of deepstrike
no, she's not part of the formation parameters so she can't be taken

>>if so would the entire unit get hit and run or just her
celestine confers H&R to any unit she joins

>>can I stack her orbital strike with my chapter masters using the barrage rule
what? no? they're separate shooting attacks you retard

>>if so do they have to be next to each other or can they do this from anywhere that either of them can see
no, read your fucking rulebook

>My plan is to put chapter master in a land raider with a solid melee unit and use celestine to harass and tie up enemy shooting units, and possibly even take out enemy armour with her armourbane sword.
you can't orbital strike out of a land raider, no firing ports

>>51509710
Do not speak to me of ethics and sportsmanship, I have battled the WAAC faggots of the craftworlds, I have felt their wrath. There is no other way, for years I put fluff and fun ahead of winning, if you won't help me beat them then stay out my way

>>51509402
If you want the truth, just google the ITC FAQ and their scenarios. Most of their changes are minor OR are things that very clearly make for a better game (like the Geomancy changes). You aren't going to get anything even remotely approaching the truth out of shitposters like >>51509549 .

>>51509643
yeah it does, pretty much every really really competitive list does

for everything else you can just throw in the other 2/5ths

>>51509710
>>51509628
something i dont understand is why people think they can just build a list using a bunch of OP pieces they read about online and just start winning games like its flipping a switch

every local meta is different, and if you dont know how to run your army you wont beat anyone, or if youre just a bad player

>theres a WAACfag everyone at my LGS doesnt like who just netlists a wolfstar list, he utterly rapes any new blood, but the old guard pretty much never looses to him because he doesnt know how to run his own list very well

>also if this is just b8 then nice one, you got a lot of us

>>51509628
>possibly even take out enemy armour with her armourbane sword.
She can never explode anything that's not open top and fails to pen a Rhino >40% of the time.

>>51509721
Isn't barrage the thing that let's you flip blasts and focus them off one roll? Indirect fire is what let's you shoot with LoS

>>51509734
That's why I asked the questions. Thank you for clarifying

>>51509711
All models with H&R confer the rule to everyone in their unit. It's explicitly stated in the USR.

>>51509298
Cant have the same coterie benefit between groups. Needs to be different to be legal.

>>51509779
Excellent, ty

>>51509739
I play Guardian Battlehost Eldar/Dark Eldar allies. I lose a shit ton, but I win some too. Don't become the thing you hate.

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Forgeworld Quality™

>>51509732
I'd stick to using the Herald. You aren't going to want to spend too many dice on Conjuring, since the Sons are so reliant on Witchfires and Blessings to function. Just take an ML3 Herald with Paradox and that should handle all your Summoning needs.

Be aware that Split is bullshit of the highest caliber and that Tzeentch Daemons trigger people like nothing else. If you're going to be splitting, suggest to your opponent that you just have the split Horrors automatically join the unit they split from. Helps keep shit from getting out of hand AND it's much easier to keep track of shit.

>>51509797
My hatred will be reserved for those deserving of it. People who are clearly Bros I won't be like this. The only thing a WAAC'er understands is pain

>>51509802
yeah enjoy your excuse to bitch, even though you know they'll instantly replace that after a quick email

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>>51509804
yeah i thought splitting is slighty overpowered as you get 250 pts of model dor a mere 90pts (if you take just 10 horrors
i have revised my list with the tips and i think it doesn't look too bad

>>51509852
Hey man, if someone plays Tau, show no mercy

>>51509734
While we're on the subject, why do orbital strikes even have barrage if they're shot individually? Or is it because Celestines orbital strike is different from a chapter masters. Would I be able to barrage two chapter master orbital strikes?

>>51509713
No bikes or jump packs for Apostles senpai
And i wanted the Mind Veil on my Terminator Lord

>>51509903
>why do orbital strikes even have barrage

>Barrage weapons can fire indirectly. This means they can fire at a target that they do not have line of sight to, as long as the target is beyond their minimum range (if applicable).

>>51509903
guard player here, so im an expert on barrage (and own a rulebook) so ask all your questions

the barrage shots would have to be the same weapon attack coming from the same unit, so unless you have a unit with two chapter masters (wut) it wouldnt flip, youd have to fire again

>>51509929
Ohhh ok I thought that was called indirect fire. Well if barrage means you don't need LoS then why can't you call one down from inside a land raider

Is there even any point in using the Grand Convocation for AdMec? The bonus you get for using it normally is worse than using the separate army lists, there's nowhere near enough actual vehicles to make use of things and you'll never ever get Canticles on everything with it.

>>51509945
OK now I'm confused, barrage DOES mean flipping blast templates. But ok they need to be in the same unit and same weapon type, that makes sense. How the hell would you ever gain multiple orbital strikes to make use of that then. Two chapter masters is all I cam think of

>>51509946
>why can't you call one down from inside a land raider
because it doesn't have any fire points

theoretically you could fire one from inside a rhino or chimera

>>51509988
yeah because it has to be coming from the same weapon, its really meant for artillery and stuff that cant usually mix, no manticores in basilisk squadrons stuff like that so yeah since chapter master is the only one that gets that orbital strike "weapon" youd have to have two in one squad

I'm wanting to get into collecting miniatures and playing with some friends at the local game store. I want a shooting army so i'm naturally looking at the astra militarum, tau and the Skitari. What would people say is the best for a beginner?

>>51510024
And just to clarify barrage is separate from indirect fire? Barrage alone does not give a unit the ability to shoot without LoS correct? IG can do that because mortars and basilisks have both?

>>51509919
Hmm. You're right. Never bother with Das myself. I guess you'll need to hold back either a cultist squad or a CSM sqaud with a rhino to escort him up.

Really though. Since the AL cultist rule doesn't stack with LatD, that formation is only so, so. I'd consider just grabbing cultists out of a CAD or Helcult.

>>51509659
Anyone got an idea?

Quick question, are both the sicaran venator and spartan assault tank in imperial armor volume 2?

>>51510055
barrage allows you to indirectly fire, usually outside of a certain minimum range (based wyverns) and even if you are within the minimum range and you has to have LoS to fire you still benefit from barrages other effects like ignoring most cover and always hitting side armour

>>51509124
>Being this bad at machine worship

>>51510060
With hold back you mean infiltrate next to the lonely DA? Pretty risky..

>>51509783
Hmm, thanks for the input. I guess I could drop the Balestrikes and take it as three CADs.

>>51510067
Don't infiltrate?

>>51510080
OK thank you for the help, I know now what I must do to make the xenos suffer

God I fucking hate Tomb Blade models.

WHY MUST YOU SHITTERS BE A TAX ON THE RECLAMATION LEGION

>>51510043
Of those probably Tau. Guard aren't particularly hard, but they're a weaker army overall. Cult Mech/Skitarii are more complex to run well. Particularly since their army construction tends to be so restrictive.

Really though, rules change faster than models. I'd recommend you pick the army you think looks the best.

>>51510090
The rules say i cannot join a unit of Infiltrators (units with the Infiltrate rule) during deployment if the IC doesnt have Infiltrate himself. Also i dont think i can "not Infiltrate"

>>51510060
>Since the AL cultist rule doesn't stack with LatD
It does.

>>51510122
I use destroyers armed with tomb blade weapons for mine.

>>51510087
Have the DA join some Havocs or something during deployment and immediately leave them and join the cultists to run up the board.

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>>51509172
Late, but personally I just run Kakophoni whole hog with maybe a spawn or so. It really gives the most bang for it's buck with normal MEQs, though I'm still playing around with comp.

Personally, I suggest full Kakophoni, some ccw some shooty, with a Renegade Knight providing anti-armor back up. Noise Marines will probably eat hordes, so go dual battle canon with an icarus array if you're scared of fliers. Not the most comp list, but should work well in most casual games.

>>51510139
FAQ seems pretty clear to me. But I have no interest in arguing the point with you.

>>51510171
mmh, guess i'll have to. Just seems.. clunky.

>>51510122
i second this, its a shame because i love their rules, does anyone have any tomb blade conversions that dont require 5 different boxes of bits to build? (looking at you spikybitz)

How viable are Blasterborn in Venoms? I've been hovering around my new Dark Eldar stuffs and I was looking at em. They seem quite good. Any insight on them?

>>51510190
>clunky
Yup, sadly. They really should have at least given AL a cheap relic or something that grants infiltrate.

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I might just be too retarded to find it.

But is there an audiobook version of Eisenhorn: Malleus in the OP somewhere? Been looking everywhere.

>>51509609
>Dark Eldar
For one thing, fix all the special rules that "don't effect models with fearless or ATSKNF"

Change the phantasm grenades to the harlie version where they have to take a pinning test to make up for their lack of assault grenades.

>>51509402
Mostly their interpretations of the rules modify parts of the game, for both good and ill. If you play whatever army/style is "cool" with the WAAC crowd, you adhear to the ITC houserules. If you don't, or you don't play with such a competative mindset, then said houserules only add confusion and imbalance to the already confusing and imbalanced game.

Here's hoping GW gets their shit together for 8th edition.

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>>51509802
I just got a recast Leviathan Dreadnought last night, and it was perfect quality.
Enjoy that, friend.

>>51510128
>. Also i dont think i can "not Infiltrate"
Read the rules.

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>>51510076
Yes.
grey Sicaran in background, WiP Spartan in foreground

>>51510298
>>51509549
I'm seeing a lot of nonspecifics here.

>>51510318
someone must be out there making fantastic leviathans, because i also got a recast and it was so good i decided just to sell it and not say it was chinese and it went for about as much as it would on FW without shipping

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from
>>51497834

can anybody read this?

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>>51509172
Pic related is what I use.

Rate me brehs

>>51510358
Yeah, the caster I get it from always has perfect reviews for their Leviathans.

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>>51510363
>square bases

REEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>51510363
what the fuck am I looking at

>>51510380
I like the square bases

>>51510363

Doesn't look like anything to me.

#screamsinternally

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>>51510363
what the fuck, this better be some shitty GW shop's idea of a homebrew campaign

>>51510347
Im seeing the Sicaran battle tank but not the Venator.

Good choice in chapter

>>51510351
I don't have time to pander to ITC shills. Their rules are free to download, go look over them yourself if you want to know more.

There's more than enough anons that regularly slap down any of your attempts, would have thought by now you'd stop.

>>51510363
I think there's "limited edition" at the beginning and "army organization" being mentioned in the third point.

But I'm just guessing, I don't actually speak the language.

Also square bases what the fuck what were the move to 32mm bases and the roundization of AoS for holy shit. This only makes it 200% more stupid and thus more likely to be true.

>>51510397
frogposting aside i have like 20 empire minis i use as guardsmen from a feudal world and i hate their square bases, i think they look inorganic and its harder to make the unit look cohesive unless they are standing in formation WFB style

>>51510363
fucking whores

>>51510373
Z? CCON?

>>51510363
Calm down you fuckers. It says "
New set on the base, useful for each army" according to google translate

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>>51510363

>>51510363
does that last point say intense fast attack? polish moonlanguage

>>51510413
Oh sorry, missed the venetor part, PDF on GW website for that AFAIK

>>51510363
Is that thing on the eldar champion hand a yu-gi-oh board?

also that comment

>>51510449
WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN

>>51510363
i summon thee to translate! polfag!

>wait wait not that polfag

>>51510459
That sounds like someone trying to sound foreign

"very intenshu fasto attaku"

>>51510415
I don't understand what drives you faggots to shitpost about the ITC so vociferously. Anytime anyone asks for clarification, you just call them a shill and shitpost harder.

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>>51510449
So let me get this straight.

First it's 32mm round bases and odd-shaped round shit for everything including fantasy's move to AoS.

Then it's back to squares and trading cards like it's Reigns of Chaos all over again.

The fuck?

Oh fuck me fuck me fuck me. 2017: Brexit, Trump, and GW dicking me in the ass all over again. :(

what the fuck is a trading card

>>51510515
>2017
More like 2016: Special edition: Now in HD! For only 999.99 human souls!

>>51510520
probably the citadel crusader program

>>51510515
First two were great

>>51510472
Square bases are being introduced so that they can sell them to everyone that just got done buying their new round bases.

Everybody is getting lumped into six "Grand Alliances." I'd bet Chaos, Imperium, Eldar, Orks, Tyranids, Taucrons.

It's going to be AoS style list building. Probably lump a lot of Elites, Fast Attack, and Troops together as the Battleline equivalent.

New CC phase rules. Which is promising.

>>51510489
You win GW, I give up. I fucking give up. I don't have the energy anymore, I just can't deal with this shit

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>>51510363
>>51510363
>kill fantasy
>demand round bases for new game
>kill 40k
>demand square bases

do you think those are 25s or some sort of new square base on the Marines? I want to hit ebay while square bases are cheap

This has to be like another one of their new boxed games. Thus the cards.Maybe there's a good reason for the square bases? Doesn't it say something about 2 types?

>>51510541
So what was the fucking point of those official modeled 40k round bases?

>>51510559
Money

>>51510559
Why are you so easily rused?

lets all pay our respects to this general, which will be killed by non stop "8th edition" shitposting and square base rage

>press 1 to pay your respects

>>51510558
Maybe its just a chess set

>>51510582

8th Edition: Age of the Emperor: 40k: Regicide

>>51510363
guys just shut the fuck up, its so clearly some sort of boxed game or system independent of 40ks main game, you guys are such kneejerkers because you want it to be true

>>51510559
It's Gw nigga they just want to Jew you a little more. I am buying 300 25 mm from the chinks asap

>>51510595
REGICIDE

please be real

>>51510559
>we have all these leftover square bases from the Age of Sigmar update, what could we do with that garbage?

>>51510575

Why are you shuch a GW shill!?

>>51510363
Translation of the white text over the image gives this: "a new set on the basics, useful with any army".

>>51509298
>>51509783
Okay, second attempt:

Prince (jetpack, reaper)
Sky Burner Coterie
Baron (jetpack, shimmershield)
3x Reaver squad (jetpack, 5x pistols, 1x lasblaster, 4x blaster)

Prince (jetpack, reaper, shimmershield)
Sky Burner Coterie
Baron (jetpack)
3x Reaver squad (jetpack, 5x pistols, 1x lasblaster, 4x blaster)
Phoenix squadron (2x phoenix, nightfire missiles, bright lances)

Should be good unless I get tabled before my turn.

>>51510575
I thought the modeled bases looked good, if I knew those fuckers were going to fuck it up i would not have bought any

>>51510601
>>51510558
Yeah, I'm sure it's just a new boxed game featuring rules for six different armies and army building that scales as you add models.

>>51510622
What am I shilling? That they aren't going to use square bases? Come on.

dont share this. dont want ebay sellers hiking base prices

>>51510639
are you actually this retarded or are you just biased beyond belief? why do people look for so many excuses to hate GW like they are some illogical entity made just to make you angry?

>>51510636
nigga did you not just see square bases who the fuck has time for your list

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>>51510639
AND invalidates any models you use with those base for normal 40k games

>>51510639

Shit, that actually does sound like the kind of thing they've been hinting at for 8th. Minus the boxed game part, but they have seemed to find success with those so who the fuck knows.

>>51510437
MI
Costs a little more, but worth it for that extra quality

>>51510636
none of this matters when 8th is about to happen and we might transition to fukkin square bases

How good are Tzeentch Daemons in 40k? I was thinking about getting them ever since that start collecting box came out

>>51510669
Because that's the only way GW's actions make sense.

yeah this is celestine all over again, looking forward to you all getting BTFU'd when GW makes the actually announcement and its nothing

>>51510363
Why is it a picture? Why not just take a screenshot?

>>51510685
they want to make money you dumb shit, this piece of fucking shit leak better be fake because what the bloody fuck

like why WHY I spent hundreds of pounds on custom resin bases and now theybwant to fucking change it?? what's the reasoning other than greedy fuckinfg like shitstains wantinge more

one of you tell me why because fucking hell iI want to hurt those mother fukcers

I never rebased my square based dreads and nids, looks like my investment payed off

>>51510704
WhatsApp share? We often have people doing that with my FLGS group

>>51510669
Either the whole thing is a ruse, or this is 8th edition. The idea that this is a boxed game is utterly retarded.

>>51510671
you mean like spacehulk?

40k RAW models must be on the bases they're supplied with, so these square guys are supplied with square bases QED it's hip to be square

>>51510715
They're going to be at Adepticon to hold seminars on rules writing. I'm not even joking.

>>51510715
OMFG he's right nigga how the fuck am I going to get all these resin bases off my FW

>>51510715

Dramatic much?

>>51510674
hmmm I haven't looked into MI's stuff, maybe I should dig a little and find that email and catalog

how much is MI's levi?

>>51510743
when is that??? i'Ll fucking god there

>>51510692
What Celestine thing? Do you mean the Cadia getting destroyed by pylons bit?

I wonder if I have to put my guard on 20 mm. I still have an old sentinel with an assault cannon on a square base. Fucking GW bro always has to find away to get more money out of me.

>>51510759

She's game-breakingly stupid. Just like Magnus.

>>51510771
Wait, what? I have absolutely no idea what Celestine being OP has to do with this maybe fake leak.

>>51510125
Ok thank you

>>51510786
polish people don't know how to lie though

I can't afford to rebase and my insulin. WTF. Guess Im selling off my nids

>>51510759
no she put on clearance and didn't appear in imperial agents, so for like 2 days she was off the website and people were autistically screeching about how GW cucked them

then a week later GW announces fall of cadia with her beautiful new model

/tg/ and i guess 40k fans in gneral, are the most reactionary group ive ever seen outside of politics

It's not like people are actually going to have to rebase. We definitely aren't going to be seeing ranked combat, and infantry facing would be an impossible nightmare with the number of models 40k puts on the table.

>>51510757
http://www.adepticon.org/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/23/road-to-adepticon-part-3/

23-26 March.

>>51510800

polish people <s>are too stupid</s> to lie though

>>51510837
that's not nice

Slavs are stupid poles are worse man.

Viable assaults now.

>>51510786
>maybe
Remember when it was pylons that destroyed Cadia?
Remember the ENTIRE 6e "leak"?
When are you idiots going to stop shoveling up the lies?

>>51510363
Is that Eldar wearing a fucking duel disk?

dont shoot the messenger asshole

>>51509021
>Updating the daily Duncan
Well done, OP.

1-5 I build Rangers
6-0 I build Dragoons

>>51510837
>people are bringing spoiler tags from inferior chans

What would be the best fast attack choice for a chaos warband?
I've heard that raptors and bikers and bikers are good and that warp talons are pretty shit. any advice on what to run? playing world eaters and thousand sons, so is there any difference for which to run for the two of them?

>>51510832
I can't even properly express the feeling of smug amusement I get from seeing that they're forced to run a bootcamp to teach themselves how to play the game.

>>51510879
bikes outside of raptor tallon or whatever that formation is called

>bikes still probably better with that formation

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lmao

>>51510879
Khorne Hounds and Bikers from that KDK formation are pretty good. Plus, you can probably find them on ebay with square bases already attached and be ready for 8th

>>51510855
So you think GW Warsaw decided to troll the internet and get themselves fired?

>>51510905
its an older meme, but it checks out

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>>51510363
I am skeptical of this photoshop

>>51510899
>>51510913
thanks, looks like i'm buying bikes.

Whats the problem with square bases? is it just one step closer to WHFB?

>>51510914
not the first time a GW shop put up shit ahead of schedule. that's how we found out about all of those heresy shop exclusive models

I wonder If roundtree just wants to get out of all their square base. I think there's a positive here in that we can finally have heavy Boulders and other have you ever actually have weapon facings. Shit maybe even flanking tactics, something like fow

>>51510927
shhh shhh

just let the skub flow anon

>>51510930
make sure you buy some rectangle bases too

>>51510927
>>51510363
Yeah, what's up with the tip of the Exarchs crest?

>>51510914
Seems more likely. Alternatively this was never actually posted there. These arent pictures of actual models. It's just the old store pics photoshoped onto square bases.

>>51510931
People don't want to have to rebase their shit

>>51510914
No, I think that people need to stop running off with ANY "leak", no matter how implausible and unlikely as though it is gospel truth.

>>51510939
>weapon facings
Please

>>51510962
the big text does say something like "new square conversion set for bases" no?

>>51510363
isn't that the new eldaerii colour scheme?

>>51510955
I still got some from my Tomb
Kings cav

@ what's wrong with facings? Would be tactical as fuuuuuuck

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>>51510363

its a picture of a screen its not going to be pixel perfect

Weapon facings would be awesome. Might actually bring MCs and GMCs to reazonable power levels for once.

>>51510978
Wait, do you really think that a relevant portion of people in this thread are really seeing this and doing anything about it? You need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that all this is just talk.

>>51510363

Guys, chill out. The models are all in the exact order and rotated to the exact same angle as the current pictures on the GW site - if they were new pictures, there'd be even a minor deviation in the distance between the duders or they'd be turned at slight angles.

>>51510974
i mean did people have to rebase when they upgraded the size of the bases?

>>51510962
>implying GW doesn't photoshop everything they do

Didn't GW JUST get caught photoshopping the Tzanginors box art? Seems par for the course.

>>51510988
It's sick

>>51511001
>>51510927

not to feed the hype i dont even believe in, but IF this was real ( probably not how people think it is) GW is known for FS their shit pretty regularly

>>51510982
I don't read polish. So I have no idea. The image is sketch as fuck though. Trolling seems most likely.

>>51510994
Seriously nids have a chance again. I'm okay with the idea a heavy weapon only being able to snap fire outside of its front Arc

>>51511019
>gw warsaw manager confirmed for trying to get fired to cash out a monetary bonus

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>>51511019
warhammer on round bases was just trolling too, until it wasn't

>>51511009
Have to? No. Some people did. I like how much bigger the 32mm makes astartes seem. It always annoyed me how they'd end up with toes hanging off the sides of the 25mm.

If they are switching back to squares, though, there'd probably be a rules related reason. Which would necessitate switching over.

Looking for some advice for starting a Raven Guard army. The only parts I'm set on so far are the Vanguard 'charge out of deepstrike' formation, and a jump pack Chapter Master with Swiftstrike and Murder. I assume he goes in a CAD so what else would be good pickups?
Plasma Tac squad in a Rhino, Melta Tacs in a pod and an Assault Squad for the Chapter Master? Would Autolas Predators be alright or are Devastators better due to the chapter tactics?

>>51511011
They tend to copy and paste individual troopers to increase the numbers in promo shots. Never anything like this that I'm aware of though.

>>51511050
Put em on squares

>>51511050

As of an hour ago, my best advice is to find some square bases on eBay...

When AoS happened the 40fuckers laughed.

Now it's time for sweet, sweet karma. Enjoy your square bases.

First they came for the square bases, but I did not speak out, because my base was round. Then they came for the round bases, and there was no one left to speak for me.

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>>51511089

>>51510756
not much more, free shipping on everything.

It kind of makes a lot of sense it kind of makes a lot of sense that switch to square bases given how weak assault is right now if they make Square bases a thing we can actually claim flanking are getting hit from behind bonuses

>>51510837
Amerifats are too stupid to figure out spoiler tags before posting

>>51511128
just let me assault from outflank god damnit. if it means I have to suffer rebasing my stuff, so be it.

Make thyroids great again.

>>51511144
good thing I'm not american

I wonder if this means they're bringing back Squats?

>>51511149
*tyranids

>>51511080
>>51511087
Well fuck

>>51511018
FS ?

>>51511149
I have hypothyroidism check your privilege lmao

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Reposting from the previous thread, as I didn't get feedback. Does this list look workable for tournament Orks? Using Mogrok's Bossboyz (the Oddboyz) part instead of Zhadsnark, for re-rolling Seize the Initiative, and to get extra outflank/acute senses.

I might replace one of the Looted Wagons, and drop one of the Deffkoptas from the "Deffstar" (Koptas+Bike Mek + Boss + Painboy), so I can run 3 solo Deffkoptas for objectives. Thoughts?

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Fuck it

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>>51511161
>yfw squats return from the far reaches of space and save the imperium from chaos

>>51510931
Autists think they have to buy in to everythng gw does and are worried about rebasing their models. I frequently use plasma guns as flamers and meltas because I'm not buying more dudes just so I can field the right looking plastic weapons. Come at me /tg/

>>51510363
Translatng(btw this polish text sound like translated by google translate)
"New starter set, usefull with every army"
*Limited edition with collectible cards
* 6 strong armies + many ways to play with them
*organistion chart determined by size of army
*quick and intense assault phase.

>>51509124
Might have to replace another limb brother and replace some brain matter with augmetics

Cheapass poorfag

Anyway to check with the Warsaw GW about it?

>>51511204
And that makes you one of those titanic shitheads who make playing this game an absolute misery

>hurr my plasma is melta
>derp my melta is a shotgun
>duur my flamer is a poptart

>>51511089
Some people will be inconvenienced enough to buy new bases, most won't give a fuck, and your inferior version of warhammer will still not exist.

Do you speak Euro-bonics?

Fuck this, I am just going to throw my fucking 40k in the garbage and play War Machine!!! I hsfted fsggit ass fantasy shit

Are there any Poles about, or are they too busy inbreeding to come help us anons translate this here missive?

>>51511230
If that niggers flamer is a poptart he eats his model

>>51511258
See: >>51511210

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hey, remember this?

GW be fucking with everyone and they ain't even ashamed

>>515112

Lemme buy your shit

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>>51511198
Squats are a client race of the Tau now.

>>51511284
>we said we would not blow up the universe
>we didn't say we would not blow up the basing system :')

>>51511210
an english company providing shit translations why I never

>>51510363
Move away, Polfag here. It says "New set for bases, useable with every army!"

"-Limited edition with collecting cards
-Six strong armies and many ways to play them
-Organisation chart determined by army size
-quick and intense attack phase (probably means assault phase"

Make Assault Great Again!

Faaaaaaaaack

>>51511210
>>51511281
>>51510363

This is going to be storm of sigmar shit
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NO/Storm-of-Sigmar-ENG

I warn you all this is coming for 40k

It has cards, ways to play the game, tiny $20 booster packs of some models

It won't change 40k at all

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>>51510363
>kurwa
(see translation)

>>51510081
what can I say, I'm just an initiate

Is there any way to make a fluffy, but still decent relatively pure Thousand Sons army?
How about a relatively pure, non-cheese through horrors and fluffy Tzeentch daemons army?

>>51511230
>>51511269
You aren't actually mad that my plasma is a flamer, because you aren't retarded enough to forget that. You're just mad you spent more money than I did to have the right guns on your little toy soldiers

>>51510670
>>51510678
>>51510955
>>51511080
>>51511087

I haven't laughed so hard in ages
Square base rage meme is best meme
MFW I am addicted to delicious memes

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BELIEVE IN THE HEART OF THE YNNEAD

Blue Eyes White Dragon Aspect

>>51511374
base them on pyramids. pyramids have a square base

>>51511335
If the new 40k starter box is going to have square bases, the rest of the game will too. Look at all the text; if this is real, it's 8th edition.

I wonder If Nagash would be in 40k

>>51511374
>Is there any way to make a fluffy, but still decent relatively pure Thousand Sons army?
There are some decent meme-tier builds revolving around Ahriman's Exiles.

> relatively pure, non-cheese through horrors and fluffy Tzeentch daemons army
Sure. Don't spam summons. Don't spam rerollable 2++ saves. Witchfire-spam Tzeentch is okay and by no means cheesy.

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>>51510363
>killed fantasy with square bases and new setting
>everyone hated it and complained
>now, they do the same in reverse to 40k

Jesus christ, is tzeentch himself running GW's headquaters??

>>51511433

Haven't you heard; he's the new ELdar god of death.

>>51511437
What if I were to mix the two?

>>51511210
Yup. Stupid troll shit.

>>51511446
He is known as the "bringer of square bases"

I know nothing about old Fantasy lore. Was Nagash an Aelf or whatever?

>>51511466
Bringing in Horrors to provide Warp Charge and bodies is pretty much the only way to run Thousand Sons well.

>>51511471
>GW: lol round bases reboot fuck your old armies if during your turn you shove a buttplug into your opponent's ass rerolls to hits
>Yup. Stupid troll shit.
>GW: lol square bases
>Yup. Stupid troll shit.

>we can't trademark this term
>just put an A in front of it senpai xDD

>>51511482
No. A human like all the Nehekharans.

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>>51511482
nah I think he was Khemri, the nation before Tomb Kings became skeletons. He was basically Imhotep from The Mummy

>>51511500
Pretty much what happened with my empire

>>51511496
Ah, darn. Alright, thanks anon.

>>51511511
if he's a human, were his ancestors... nehekharanderthals?

Which online store offers the best discount?

>>51511500
Well if they're deciding to switch 40k from skirmish to a ranked unit wargame I'd see youre point. Until then? Nah.

>>51511215
it's on my to do list

I made a thread on dakka in the news and rumours thread, and now they bully me :(
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/6.page

>>51511311

....six strong armies?

>>51511598
Thats it means m8.

>>51511593
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/716299.page

oops meant this link.

pls no dakka bully

>>51511189
Looks about as good as any Ork list I've seen.

>>51511210
Ok i fucked up.
Change :"New starter set, usefull with every army"
to: "New bases sets, usefull with every army"

From someone on dakka:

As we speak they changed cover photo and posted WD cover.... The WD cover has identical comment as first comment of fake pic

So what is the square base photo for?!

>>51511607
What did you fucking expect? 4chan is the only place hungry enough for skub to fall for this shit.

>>51511661
i mean we will argue over if you should be able to take both a shotgun and a boltgun on one model

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>>51511311
>Six strong armies
>imperium
>chaos
>aeldari
>tyranids
>aelNecronsi/aelTaui
>orks

age of the emperor confirmed

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>>51511386
>trying to mock someone for putting more effort than you into their hobby

You're lazy and you make the game less fun for other players

>>51509258

>no spell familiars

>>51511685
M-maybe they`ll allow me to use my traitor guardsmen, finally. Probably not thought

>>51511204
I guess you are lucky finding games because you wont find any near where I play, it's okay for 1 day but if after a week you come with shit proxy you wont find a game