Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>51500631
I like the title of Golarion's cosmology. "The Great Beyond" sounds pretty cool, and I enjoy the battle between the Riftwardens and the Darkfire Adepts. Other than that it's just uninspired and lackluster.

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>>51500631
The Elemental Planes are great.

reposting from the other thread
>>51500697

Hey /pfg/, have you ever played as one of a pair (or more) of siblings, with the other sibling(s) being in the same party?
>be me
>monk/warpriest who's adventurer father went missing and was raised alone in a monastery
>find out i have a half-sister and decide to start globe-trotting trying to find her
>sister is white-haired witch/magus
>she's the rape-baby of adventurer father when he was captured by white witches in irrisen
>she's looking for me
>campaign starts with us meeting up and finding out through plot-contrivance that we're the siblings the other was searching for
>now we're both looking for our dad whom we believe to be alive

>>51500714
I've got a soulknife who's brothers with another soulknife and we're going to be at the same table again soon

If I coup de grace as a rogue, does my sneak attack damage get added to the DC to save against dying?

Alternatively, what are some good x3/x4 crit range weapons for a rogue to use?

>>51500738
Yes it does.

CdGs use the total damage.

>>51500784

So I should be good no matter the weapon I use. Awesome.

>>51500806
Yes.unless you're actually pitiful damagewise, a CdG is very hard to resist.

>>51500631
Can we get links to all the pfg games recruiting?

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Can stances be learned through Martial Training, or do they not count as "maneuvers" for the purpose of that feat?

>>51500657

I mean, if you really want, fuck it why not.

http://pastebin.com/JiDA8zKM

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>>51500738
>x3 crit range
F A L C A T A

>>51500852
Martial Training 1 doesn't get you any stances. MT 2 specifically states you get a stance.

>>51500852
Stances aren't maneuvers ever.

Later iterations of martial training give stances

>>51500852
You get a stance from Martial Training II.

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>>51500839

Are there any 1pp feats that help it out?

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>>51500735

I once played as the youngest of three brothers-we were lawmen charged with keeping the peace and fighting off bandits on the frontier.

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>>51501054

Bah, meant to reply to >>51500714.

>>51500998
Throat Slicer?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/throat-slicer-combat
It's not for you, but it makes you incredibly lethal when you're fighting alongside a Grapple specced character.

>>51500998

Throat Slicer+Greater Grapple allows you to do a pretty easy combo on anything you can grab.

Run up to enemy and grapple on round one. Round 2, use Greater Grapple to pin as a move action and Throat Slicer to CdG pinned enemies as a standard action.

Rouges are shite at grappling, though, and your GM might get pissy if you do that too often.

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Alright, /pfg/.

What's that one setting you'd like to run a game in but know A) your group would never play in and B) would make you a laughingstock if you tried to run it online?

Pic related for me.

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My group stood me up tonight after saying they were going to come. This happens roughly 50% of the time and is twice in a row this time. Do I officially qualify as not having friends now? If I hit age 30 in this state do I get to be a Cleric?

>>51501104
God Eater

>>51501100
>>51501079

I like that. It feels dirty and makes me tingle on the inside. Much better than

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/dastardly-finish-combat

>tfw i have a feeling the two party members tasked with breaking us out of prison aren't actually going to

>>51501104
Exaggerated Australia. Like literally called Australia and everything, not just an expy setting "inspired by" it or some shit.

>>51501140
Just gotta find someone to make your bitch.

>>51501123

We're your friends!

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>>51501179
Sounds fucking rad.

>>51501140
I hope you took Power Attack and smuggled an Adamantine weapon up your ass, then.

>>51501206
nah
we got seized by the city guard while getting out of bed, so none of us have weapons

>>51501226
That is when you're happiest to have either a soulknife or an aegis in the party.

>>51501226
Serve your time like a properly reformed citizen, scumbag

>>51501194
Oh yeah? Well when's my birthday then?

>>51501251

Once a year, obviously.

>>51501251
Marchtember Thirty-Eleventh!

>>51501251
Please don't tell me you got stood-up by 4 people today AND it's your birthday

>>51500631
>Spheres of Might previews:

Where can I leave detailed feedback on this?

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>>51501251

Anon, when I'm with you I make sure *every* day feels like your birthday!

>>51501286
...In the latest preview? They have the doc open for commenting. Alternatively, just post it here when Ehn Jolly is around.

>>51501285
No, thank fuck, but you're off by 3. People, I mean.

>>51501317
You got stood up by 7 huh.

>>51501333
Maybe he smells?

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>>51501317
Don't take this the wrong way but I would probably end my life if that happened to me

>>51500631
How do you / your DM handle perception rolls? Does he roll them? Does he have you roll for red herrings from time to time?

>>51501392
I know all the characters' modifiers and just jiggle dice behind my screen. They tune it out as background noise, though they know I roll privately with that.

>>51501392
I have them roll. If I'm having them roll to notice something significant, I'll have something else be more easily noticable off the same roll that doesn't give shit away, or isn't even related, but seems like the kind of thing you'd roll for in normal circumstances.

Does anyone have the rules for the Mercurial Duelist? I haven't been able to find them anywhere.

Hi Jessica!

>>51501429
Could you give some examples?

>>51501502
Jessica Price?

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>>51501522

That would make a bit more sense.

>>51500879
>Stances aren't maneuvers ever.
Not entirely true, they count as maneuvers for the purpose of meeting prerequisites like higher level maneuvers or any of the [Style] feats.

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>>51501541

Holly Wood is the superior waifu

>>51501392
I do this sometimes >>51501429
but it occasionally results in a goose chase. Like they'll get "you can't see whatever the lazy guard appears to be watching off in the distance", which covers for them being attacked from behind by ninja rocs or whatever, but then after they survive the fight against giant naruto-headband-wearing birds they'll spend like an hour searching the woods beyond the wall.


And then they'll have to be attacked by rival bleach weeb birds I make up on the spot while they're tromping around there, or it'll have been a waste of a fucking hour, won't it?

>>51501541
Painted Creature
"Painted" is a template that can be applied to any living creature with at least 3 Intelligence.
* +5 racial bonus to CMD to resist grapple attempts
* -5 racial penalty to all Wisdom-based skill and ability checks
* May store a number of items equal to Intelligence bonus (minimum 1) in an extradimensional space only they can access, and retrieve them as a standard action.
* Rejuvenation (Su): After death, paint creatures restore themselves to full health after 2d4 days. Only methods that would
* Immune to bleed
* Vulnerability to Erasure: Certain chemicals that can dissolve paint or ink deal 3d6 damage per pint to paint creatures, and this damage cannot be healed by their regeneration ability. The erase spell also deals 1d6 damage plus 1 point per caster level (maximum +10).
* Paint creatures recover all ability damage after 1 hour of rest
* Regeneration 5

What's the best way to build a competent face?
Without magic or 3pp would be ideal.

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>>51501104

>>51501673
Fuck, forgot to finish that one point.

Rejuvenation (Su): After death, paint creatures restore themselves to health after 2d4 days. Only methods that would dissolve paint or ink can permanently destroy a painted creature. However, there is one other way to kill a paint creature--at GM's discretion, to any death that would either be of particular narrative significance to their intended role, or be especially humorous.

>>51501541
>>51501592
Someone needs to commission Holly Wood x Jessica Rabbit porn

>>51501673
>>51501711

Toons are a thing in Pathfinder?

Huh. Guess I can actually make a villain along these lines:

https://youtu.be/D4B_jDp0ffI

>>51501681
Asmodean Advocate, 20 Wis, max ranks in Profession (Barrister), Tears to Wine optional, trait. You can cast TtW at level 3, enjoy your massive Bluff and Diplomacy while still being a Tier 1 character.

Do game logs get posted from the /pfg/ campaigns? I want to see how they go.

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>>51501732

I would be extremely surprised if someone hasn't already.

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>>51501732
>>51501759

>>51501441
It's in Asian Archetypes: Martial, by Legendary Games. It has yet to be added to the trove, as does the Intrigue Archetypes book with two other popular Vigilante archetypes.

>>51501104
Ar tonelico.

ngl I'd play in a neopets game so long as it had a good enough hook

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>>51501104

Ever hear of the World of Twelve?

>>51501104
Either GrimGrimoire, Graffiti Kingdom, or Dominic Deagan

Go ahead and laugh if you must

>>51501826

It was my first webcomic, and later a guilty pleasure. I cannot judge you.

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>>51501822
I would play the shit outta that.

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>>51501104

>>51501840
same here mate, same here

>>51501104
A remade Fantasy version of Worm

>>51501740
Well, they are now that I've made that template. I guess I should have added something like always having a minimum Intelligence of like 6 or so.

Wait, wtf damage type does the Prehensile Hair hex do? Goddamnit why can't Paizo keep this shit straight.

>>51501104
Guild Wars 2

tfw none of the plant races in pathfinder are quite the right fit for sylvari
tfw will never play my salad gunslinger

>>51501826
>that spoiler

but literally what be worth playing in that, especially when the unstoppable god wizard/puppet master exists? It'd be like playing in a game with Eliminster and Eliminster personally goes around solving all the problems instead of turning into a woman or fucking his waifu.

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>>51501826
>Graffiti Kingdom

You mean to tell me someone on this planet played that game besides me?

>>51501883
My group ran it as a natural attack, so B/P/S as needed?

>>51501883
SKR says Bludgeoning :^)
I'd say B/S.

>>51501889
I saw a video of it once and I wanted to play it.

>>51501541
>>51501673
>>51501711
So she'd be, what, a Bard? I can't really decide on what archetype though. Probably Celebrity, but she did some kind of roguish stuff so maybe Archaeologist might be appropriate.

>>51501826
Man, I still can't decide if it was a good thing the webcomic got an actual ending or a shit thing that it fucking ended.
Too many peter out over time or get dropped entirely.

>>51501706
>Dragonmech
My man. I have all the physical books and played my first PbP game as a gestalt Steamborg. Even ran the intro adventure once for a group, but had trouble thinking of ways to continue it...Oh, and the setting's good, too. Surprised more people here don't seem to be into it, since it had a proto-Imperium of Man built in.

>>51501857

Nigga, I'd play the SHIT out of an OFF game.

>>51501740
>>51501882
Here's one with a little more thought put into it. Don't know if better.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?179954-We-re-all-a-Little-Looney-P-E-A-C-H

>look up Sanguinist Medic from Dreamscarred
>Realize theres another character in my game who has fast healing

Does that mean I can literally use that character as a replenishable bloodbag?

>>51501969
I'm working on one out right now.

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>>51501104
I unironically would love a game like this.

>>51501988
As long as your DM doesn't hit you with the book.
I did a similar thing with an Eidolon that had sacrifice and fast healing.

>>51502005

Doesn't it have its own RPG system? I thought I heard something to that effect.

>>51502005
>tfw Nyanta is unironically my favorite character

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>>51502045

you do know it!

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>>51502045

Man knows his way around the kitchen.

>>51502070
I want to play a character like him some day.

Middle aged dude that just wants to cook for his adventuring friends that can also one-round an enemy that threatens said friends.

>>51502030
It does, yeah, but it's not super good.

4e'd probably work pretty well.

>>51500863
My nigga

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>>51501822
Yes.

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>>51501104
A game that takes place during the war of the magi from final fantasy 6

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>>51501104
I would absolutely kill in order to run a proper Bloodborne campaign. Trick weapons, beasts, eldritch horrors, eyes upon eyes upon eyes. I'm a complete sucker for it but none of my friends would ever run it.

I want to deal an unreasonably large amount of bleed damage /pfg/. How do I do it?

>>51501132

Oh, nice to know I'm not the only one.

I even had a bit of a plot schemed up, involving the inbetween from 1 & 2, but, much like my ideas for an Eva game, I have no hope of ever running it.

>>51501889
Yes anon. Yes I did.
I wanna rub around, fight poorly drawn monsters, and be eerily drawn to some ambiguous demon kid with ambiguous motives.

Also Flexing matches with Carlton

>>51501888
It would be post comic, when the King has died and Dominic has lost his magic and seer powers

>>51501932
I think it ended on a decent enough note

High I'm still sad about Quilt dying. At least Karnak got what he wanted though

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Hi /pfg/ recently a character of mine almost died because of the GM forgetting the size penalties for siege weapons.

That got me thinking has any rules that were forgotten saved your character's life?

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>>51502505
I've gotten several characters of mine killed by reminding the GM of a mistake that would have saved them...

But I don't think I've ever had the reverse.

>>51501924
Do it anon, it's a fun PS2 game, though you will spend an I ordinate amount of time trying g to figure out how much he custom monster creation rules work, until you give up and make a giant blob shape or cube with stick legs that can do anything, and start fly-bombing the bosses with explosions

Also the difficulty curve is real

>>51502458

Your only 1pp option is Bleeding Critical. Most bleed damage does not stack with itself. To complicate matters something like 2/3rds of the monsters in game are immune or the bleeding stops automatically due to fast healing or rejuvenation.

Is there any way to build a decent cavalier that isn't just doing the charge o' doom all the time? My friend likes the class but I fear he's getting stuck in a rut and doesn't know what else to do with one.

>>51502505
No, I've actually had a character die because I corrected a mistake.

GM didn't know Shadows kill people when they bring you to 0 Str, and I didn't want to be that guy who only points out rules when it's convenient

>>51502614
Mounted archery might work? Melee-wise though, you really should be shish kebabbing people with a lance.

>>51502614
Luring Cavalier for ranged shenanigans? Daring Champion for a slight improvement on Swashbuckler?

>>51502614
There's a bunch of archetypes that swap out the mount/charge/lance focus.

The thing is that Challenge is a great damage boost, so they hardly need Charging multipliers to do good damage when they need to.

Have a poke at the Constable archetype, it's good.

Also, the Chevalier PrC combos nicely. An almost-full progression challenge and a full-progression Smite together make for some feisty numbers.

>>51502614
What is his Order? Because depending on his order hell either have extra stuff, or it's charge all day erry day

>>51501811
... I'd play Ar Tonelico.

>>51502030
>>51502157
The basic system itself is pretty decent but I think the translation for it died before they ever got to books past like, the starting level stuff.

>>51502505
I almost killed a PC with a pixie coup-de-grace because I forgot it was a full round action.

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>>51502681
Fuck yeah, Ar Tonelico.

Ar Tonelico would be great, but I don't know how to marry the sexy overtones of "all woman are magical robots powered by men's boners". On the other hand, sci-fi fantasy with robot monsters mixed with real monsters mixed with real-world wars if they were all being done by armies of sex-powered magical robot women; It's fucking great, I had a plan for a WWI-inspired one where the PC's had to work their best on protecting Cardinal Franziska, the system Admin who keeps order in the upper parts of their tower, from deadly viruses being sent by somewhere, only to find out that there were actually three of 'her' and they were actively trying to self-terminate because as an ageless magical robot she kept making clones whenever her husbando passed away.

it was a terrible idea, but I thought it fit into the world about as well as any of the other hilariously retarded AT plots.

>>51501123
Hey, pic-related is the plot to Serenity

Would it be reasonable to consider a Ballista to be a form of crossbow for the purposes of a Bolt Ace's dex to damage feature?

This is for an NPC, not a super sperg character concept, but I don't want to make an NPC that is blatantly different from what a PC would be allowed to get away with.

>>51502757

Only if .1% of the populace has a very, VERY different reaction.

>>51502753
There's also the whole caster/martial plot disparity being even worse.

also fuck you, they're not powered by dudes' boners, they're powered by their own feelings and their connection to their Tower.

>>51502505
Yes.

I reminded my DM that, because he had given us Mythic, we had Hard to Kill.

That saved my Druid.... until he just threw four maximized fireballs at him.

Is Outsider a term people in universe would use?

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>>51501104
Tournament involving either many fa/tg/uys or a group playing multiple characters with minor fudging on placements so a player didn't fight themselves (Too soon anyway)

The main issue is even if there are 50 characters with creative items and abilities gotten from obscure PrC's to create interesting and flavorful characters they'll all still lose to the one guy who decided to minmax or be a God Wizard. I'd love to do something on such a large scale but looking over 50~ character sheets I can see myself overlooking some kind of cheese that makes them dominate everyone


Whoever won would be able to pick 6 other participants and enter a Final battle against my last group's characters.

>>51501104

Something like Gate, but reverse. Normal modern world tries to take control of a mystic fantasy world, gets buttfucked by level 20 wizards, fighters who shrug off bullets by virtue of hitpoint based physiology, and parties of adventurers out for an entirely new plane to loot.

>>51502842
Implying boners wouldn't drum up more replies

High-level spells being powered by epic songs would almost make sense with how strong some spells are, but most of the AT spells are basically just various methods of making things explode in entertaining fashions. It'd probably wind up like the Slayers d20 where casters wind up a little more balanced because 2/3 spells are different variations of "Make something explode" instead of actual problem solving tech.

>>51503197

There is only one thing drumming my boner and it is not replies

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>>51501104
pic related
i'd love to hop around time with my cyborg pal and my gorilla monk trying desperately to save a planet from dying via MP-drain

>>51503156
Flip it around: Shadowrun-level world has to deal with gigantic fantasy world, like say all of Golarion's solar system.

Thaumaturgical universities scrambling to try and decipher those high level spells to develop defenses, international space organizations catching wind of what's under Numeria, Hoppers vs Dragons...

>>51503197
at LEAST though the songs require multiple turns of "kill everything before it gets near the caster girl", before they can go off so "meatshields" do in fact at least have use.

>>51503034
>50 players
I don't think there's that many anons on /pfg/

>>51503374
Funny you say that, this thread has had exactly 50 different posters.

War Sight or Battlefield Clarity for Battle Mystery?

Paladin/Oracle here

>>51503313

I'd radiant Reyne's historia if you know what I mean

>>51503386
Can't argue with that

>>51503331

Either way, bringing in a team of adventurers who run through skyscrapers and cities as dungeons. Jury rigging random shit into their magic items, like a weed whacker with vorpal blades attached. Using divinations to counter special teams tracking the party. I just think it would be funny for a normal world that is normally balanced by having guns to fight a full on high-fantasy world on their terms with no apologies to all the dumb shit.

>>51502418
There was an 'ol google doc shared before of a Bloodborne Hunter class.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NW98K-_vTEnS5ELs6UEZgu2WyMX0-hwrfEoMKGdUXlE/edit

Here you go. I have my own little modification to it because having 2 5-foot steps per round through the Hunter's Grace class feature seemed a little ridiculous.

>>51502505
Funny, because this past Friday my party nearly lost our paladin because the GM forgot the NPCs using light ballistae don't have proficiency with them (let alone any siege weapons). A killing crit was reduced to not-confirmed but knocked unconscious and bleeding out.

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Which character of yours, that you've played, had the biggest badonk?

Hurt me plenty mode: The race isn't known for being particularly bottom heavy

Ultraviolence mode: It was not an ERP

Nightmare Mode: It was a male character

>>51503532
Is the class GOOD?

Is being from the moon really that weird of a back story in a setting like golarion? Especially when there is actually a massive city on the moon that's been there for thousands of years?

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>>51503386
>>51503034
Well then. Who wants to have a tournament?

>>51503721
I think it looks good on paper. My group hasn't had the chance to playtest it yet with three ongoing campaigns.

>>51501104
>Play a Grundo Space Paladin
>Purge the mutants
>Rally the people against Dr. Sloth

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>>51503705

She actually wasn't an ERP character, she just had a career as an acrobat and strong woman for a circus before she became an adventurer.

>>51503774
No. But considering that said colony was actually a super prison for alzanti Lex Luthor and Doc Doom villains which also fuck in a dealy basis with tieflings that only will grant you two options: Make your character be of azlanti origin which means a +2 to all stats or a pitborn tiefling.

>>51503846
I meant succubus.
There a jungle that was teleported from the Abyss realm of Nocticula controlled by very powerful succubi and incubi.
It was part of a plan to blackmail all the female good aligned goddesses so they voted her into major CN deity.

>>51503705
Probably my ex-soldier half orc alchemist. He had a pretty big rear on account of every aspect of him being big. Not ERP the dude was just tall and wide.

>>51503705
Tiefling alchemist.
He was a pitborn but at difference of those born from having a sex demon in the family tree he was malformed because his mother did spend too much time during gestation in the Worlwound.
He had wide feminine hips and a large rear. The game wasn't ERP at all.

>>51503705
A large sized character, who had by extension a large sized booty

>>51503705
are you saying there are people who specified how big their buts are?

>>51503915
Addenda: The other character players dind't notice much that physical trait because his face alone was as ugly as a cross between Peter Lorre and Steve Buscemi on krokodril. Oh, and was hairy than a chimpance which help to hide the pimples and warts covering his skin.

>>51503922
I am this guy>>51503888
I didn't specify any of my character's. I just thought back to my old characters, and figured he was the biggest.

>>51503877
>>51503846
It's been 4000 years, they like degenerated the same way golarion azlant did.

>>51503922
I specified my character was:
>Enormously fat, an old man who had spent far too many years enjoying stout beers and soft cheeses while going about his hobbies.

>>51504021
Actually there wasn't a degeneration but a genocide. After Earth Fall impact and during the Age of Darkness many surviving azlanti were hunted down by the minions of a demon lord that Aroden personally slain and those of the aboleth.
A few did breed with the lesser men of Avistan and with a few I mean those who would become the founders of the Taldorian empire.
If your character is from the moon you have the right to make him full alzanti because in that prison were only alzanti super villains that sure found a way to not let inbreeding become a problem.

>>51504085
unless people from golarion moved in or interbreeding with demons degenerated them.

>>51504096
Most likely the second. Nobody that is aware of the prison had the balls to explore or contact its inhabitants for fear of having a League of Doom with mythic powers making everyone its bitches.

>>51504039
Was your character modeled after Mr. Plinkett?

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Hey guys, posting an eastern street game for you to check out and/or throw tomatoes at.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/68106/volorexis-streets-of-cantha

>>51504134
Nah, then it'd be vodka gimlets and pizza rolls instead.

>>51504152
Your rules favor casters way too much.

>>51504190
Mt Plinkett will perfectly fit in Way of the Wicked or Hell's Vengeance though.

>>51504152
>no traits

You have my attention.

>It has been almost a week since crusader gm posted and still no word from him.
Is this the fate of pfg games?

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>>51504214

I'm downplaying how much abusing magic will draw a lot of negative attention.

There's also the part where this is a low level game, so casters aren't super great yet.

Do you have any suggestions?

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>>51504269

DOOM!

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>>51504152
No traits AT ALL? Like, even if we take Additional Traits?

>>51504152
This reminds me of a Shadowrun game I played in that also greatly incentivized magic by limiting access to equipment.

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>>51504305
Depends on what counts as abusing magic.

Like, if I get into a gang fight and I toss out an Explosive Orb, what, is that abusing magic?

If I bust out a Riven Hourglass strike (nothing visibly magical, just compressing time to attack super fast), what, is that ALSO abusing magic?

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>>51504314
Okay, you can take a trait but it cannot:

-Give an initiative bonus
-Affect metamagic in any way
-Allow any kind of reroll
-Make X do Y, where X and Y are literally anything

>>51504152
I find it hilarious how I've seen at least two games so far specifically say 'not gestalt' in chargen rules, as if gestalt has become the default pfg expectation.

>>51504305
Can I be a QT anime tengu, not some ugly feathery abomination?

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>>51504347
/pfg/ is completely fucking obsessed with gestalt.

Gestalt is shit. It doesn't open up any new concepts. There are ZERO concepts you can't do with single class Paizo, DSP, SoP, SoM, Avowed, N. Jolly, etc.

All gestalt does is widen the already huuuuge gap between power floor and power ceiling and get people whining and arguing about an "appropriate" optimization level.

It's like, if you're not some initiator/spherecaster cheesemonkey, you might as well go home.

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>>51504320
> If I get into a gang fight and I toss out an Explosive Orb, what, is that abusing magic?

Absolutely.

>If I bust out a Riven Hourglass strike

It'll draw attention, but not as badly.

>>51504335
>No traits AT ALL? Like, even if we take Additional Traits?
That's the plan, yes. If you need a trait to make a build work, then I might be swayed on this. No promises.

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>>51504361
>It'll draw attention, but not as badly.

Uhhhhhh...

>Rapid Strike (Riven Hourglass, make two attacks)
>HOLY SHIT GUYS! He just attacked twice! That's fucking witchcraft!

>Flurry Strike (Broken Blade, make two attacks)
>Ah, he just attacked twice, that's normal enough.

What did they mean by this?

>>51504152

Are characters expected to be eastern too or can they be foreigners brought in like the Red Skull leader?

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>>51504314
>No traits AT ALL? Like, even if we take Additional Traits?
That's the plan, yes. If you need a trait to make a build work, then I might be swayed on this. No promises.

(sorry, I pinged the wrong person)

>>51504376
Yes, flashy martial abilities draw attention. I'm doing what I can to limit Path of War shenanigans.

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>>51503705

Hips Yes, booty unclear, not enough information.

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>>51504405

>Yes, flashy martial abilities draw attention.

So uh.

>being good at magic is shunned
>being good at fighting is shunned
>summoning equipment is shunned

What ISN'T socially shunned here?

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>>51504405
>>51504425
>attacking twice in one turn is "flashy" and draws unwanted attention

Jesus Christ, what?

>>51504425
Taking levels in NPC classes, or FIghter - no archetypes, from the sounds of it. Don't do anything interesting, or be good at anything and you get by.

>>51504405
>>51504425
>>51504430
So is this "Standard Attacking: The game"? That sounds, uh...

>>51504405
It would be better to just limit it to sop and first party classes, if you want some pow have the archetypes available, and make any first party casters use the sphere archetypes.
I think that will get the feel you seem to want Ml better.
Also I would say disallow anything that creates it's own equipment.

>>51504425
You'd think a gang would want to flash their guy that can do magic. It's kind of a big deal to a shitty street gang.

>>51504360
>There are ZERO concepts you can't do with single class Paizo, DSP, SoP, SoM, Avowed, N. Jolly, etc.

That's because everyone goes crazy thinking they need super synergy.
The best gestalt concepts I've had were ones where two completely different classes were put together and I had to justify why the character could do both things.

tl;dr think of gestalt as super multiclass, not super singleclass

>>51504152
Did Veiled Moon earn a ban for having teleportation, with the Warp sphere, but -not- Dimension Door, or any spell with the teleportation descriptor?

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>>51504450
>sop

Nah, that's apparently too magical and the gang will hate you for using magic.

Or using an (Ex) ability to attack twice in one turn, apparently.

>>51504454
Yeah I agree with you anon, look at shadowrun for instance, mages are sought after resources, but also usually targeted by enemies first if they are obvious.

>>51504360
I have the same opinion. I also hate the character sheet bloat. I want the gestalt meme to die.

The problem with gestalt is it doesn't go far enough. There needs to be a triple class gestalt game next.

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>>51504425
>>51504430
>>51504435
>>51504434
>>51504454
>>51504473


These streets are not kind to anyone. They will find any reason to hurt you and take advantage of you. Still, being magical, skilled, or otherwise special isn't against the rules of the street at all. All the gang leaders are "special." Attention isn't just people trying to kill you, you know.

>>51504476
This anon is generally correct.

>>51504395
Yes, you can be a foreigner. You're going to need good reason to come to live in Cantha, though. General consensus is that it's a shithole. PM me if you want some setting information.

>>51504349
You can sure try, Anon.

>>51504478
I see no problem with gestalt myself, but it by no means should ever be considered standard.
Really I think rough optimization expectations should be in most games. It sucks to have everyone have different optimization expectations.

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>>51504511
>It sucks to have everyone have different optimization expectations.
The only ones who have trouble with this shit are total autists like 2hu.

Everyone knows the unwritten rule: don't be a dick and don't make an overpowered character.

>>51504500
Why stop there? Lets make a game that's completely classless. All players have d10 hit die, 6+Int skills, and full save and BAB progression, and can be 9th level Divine or Arcane spellcasters using any one spell list of their choice. Every level, select a class feature of equivalent level from any class in the game.

>>51504468
Dimension door is out of the scope of the game, being an E6 game.

>>51504349
How many anime even use Tengu?

And whaddya mean ugly?

>>51504521
Make a Paizo AP game for these rules and we'll be set!

>>51504519
I have seen people woefully under optimize then get upset when they can't keep up. It's better to have a general group idea how optimized they should aim for. But yes the general rule of thumb most people should go for if it is unstated is don't do everything on your own, don't break the game, and make something that works with others.
I get a laugh when I see people ask if they can play broken things because they know they are breaking the game, but want the gm to say sure because they don't know better then when they get found out they use excuses like you said it was okay.

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>>51504526

>>51504558
>I get a laugh when I see people ask if they can play broken things because they know they are breaking the game
Or maybe they're trying to get a feel for the allowed optimization level.

Because like YOU said, people don't know what the fucking optimization level's supposed to be.

>>51504559
Sorry anon, that looks to be an elf.

Can steelfist commando's take unchained rogue talents with their bonus feats?

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Daily reminder of degeneracy. May or may not color; need to wrap up a commission first.

>>51504571
Asking to use blood money fabricate has nothing to do with optimization, it has everything to do with breaking the game.

>>51504606
You know some GMs are fine with it though, right? Maybe it's in their desired power level for the game.

Never hurts to ask, does it?

>>51504523
Fair enough. Storm Step is still allowed though, and it barely slips in for everyone but the Magus. So, you know. Consistency. ;)

>>51504558
The best guideline I've found for optimisation (for damage dealers at least) is:
'I expect you to be able to take down an enemy of equal CR to your level in roughly two rounds. If you can consistently do it in consecutive rounds, it's too much. If you would take more than three rounds even in good conditions, you're too behind.'

>>51504641
**If you can consistently one-round such enemies in consecutive rounds, it's too much

My bad, missed words and changed the meaning

There is optimization and then there is just how the more 3pp you use, the less the game works as intended

If you are 1pp martial and optimize, you might have gigantic numbers but still stuck in the old action economy.
If you optimize with PoW and shit, you not only get gigantic numbers, but fucking break the action economy in half and all bestiaries and encounter design goes to the bin.

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>>51504671

>inb4 "paizuri shill"

Why gestalt even exist
>oh no I want multiclass but don't want to lose any power

>>51504671
>>51504695
No, you're just a retard that doesn't know what your talking about because very few Path of War things fuck with action economy beyond "Martials not named Swash Buckler have things to do with their swifts".

>>51504714
Initiators frontloading everything does do it.

>>51504605
I love you man, I am officially adding you to my favorite artists list.

>>51504671
It's a good thing I can make my own shit.

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>>51504558
They get REALLY upset. Nobody bawws at the game's mechanics like a stormwinder midgame. They will literally bitch you out for daring to tell them of an enchantment or feat that would help their troubles, AND lament that no one wants to help them fix their character, with not even 20 seconds between the two sentences. The same asshole will even tell you how your character is or isn't allowed to feel about something because not liking something (like say being threatened or blackmailed by another character) is unacceptable if they think it's okay, because you not liking it is nothing but metagaming bullshit.

>>51504671
>implying the game working as intended by paizo is a good thing

>>51504806
Even bad order is better than none

>>51504814
But what metric do you base order on?

>>51504829
How it works.

>>51504641
Two rounds reliably with estimated DPR.
That means the character will be able to consistently do 1-rounding so long as:
>Rolling decently high on damage (like say, 75% of max instead of 50% of max) as a result of good luck with multiple attacks
>Expending abilities: a boost+strike combo, a per-day should DEFINITELY pull it off, etc
>Critting (DUH)

Because that gets compensated for by missing (obviously), lucky saves on the enemy side (again, obvious), and DR or elemental resistances/immunities (which will directly imapct you against those particular target types).

Put together that's probably the green zone, yeah.

>>51504671
Given As Intended is "the martial ineffectively moves and misses the displaced enemy with his medium sized one handed sword due to power attack and TWF lowering his accuracy - why is he using TWF? BECAUSE that's why - and then on his turn the cleric shuts them down with symbol of pain, proving once again that balance reigns supreme, meanwhile the kineticist can do neither and can't even at least suck his own cock, so he's LITERALLY got no hope at happiness or success for his whole life" then the less it works as intended the better.

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Top Three Poll Edition:

>http://www.strawpoll.me/12245791

Vote for the best Crystalhue gifts for a party witch and party warpriestess. The Eternal Rose wants to see them smile!

>>51504905
I don't see an option for a noose.

>>51504605
Want a pastebin of the golden girls hate fucking each other.

Well not hate fucking. More fucking out of a sense of competition

>>51504923
That's not very loving, Anon

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>>51504931
.... .... really?

WHY?

WHY???

>>51504728
No it doesn't. Do you know what action economy is? As an initiator you still get one swift, one move, one standard or a full round and very, very few things change this.

>>51504860
But Symbol of Pain only debuffs them
Something like Force of Wall actually stop them

>>51504950
And a reaction.
I would say they get to do 3 times as more things as before

>>51504952
That it can.

>>51504948
I was hoping you'd make that joke

>>51504961
... ... holy shit you don't know. you really don't.

That "reaction" IS your swift. You don't get both.
If you use an immediate, you eat NEXT ROUND'S swift action. You won't get it next round.

>>51504961
Swift and Immediate actions eat into the same "action" slot
>I would say they get to do 3 times as more things as before
I get the feeling someone has been lying to you about how initiation works or you have a critical misunderstanding about how it works.

>>51504973
>>51504974
Plus, it's just that martials COULDN'T use the swift before for a long time; they had literally nothing to spend it on. It was little more than "quicken metamagic 1/rd"

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>>51504973
>>51504974
ok wait im gonna msg the fucker who rolled his fucking initiator

>>51504948
Onryou and Elsbeth have both at least once been referred to as "/pfg/'s golden girl"

>>51504948
>>51504931
Fuck that's what I thought when I first read this and didn't see the post it was responding to.
>>51504985
This, if your class wasn't Swashbuckler or you didn't use something like say Kirin style, your swift was worthless.

>>51504588
She has black feathered wings on her back.

>>51504558
>I get a laugh when I see people ask if they can play broken things because they know they are breaking the game
Some GMs and players like playing crazy-high power levels. I have no idea why would you do that in D&D but it happens.

>>51504508
>These streets are not kind to anyone.
No offense, but it basically looks like "you are screwed if you try to be even remotely cool" which is not very appealing.

>You can sure try, Anon.
Is taht a passive-aggressive way of saying "no way" or are you ok with animu pictures and general aesthetics as long as the application is good? Because, you know, it would be better to rule how tengu look before people try to apply.

>>51504985
lets not forget that swash was destroyed by errate because of that
when all classes started finding ways to get swift parries and shit

>>51504988
>letting people play with systems that you, yourself don't understand
Still, tear him a new one because he makes the game worse for EVERYONE by convincing people 3pp is busted bullshit by cheating like that. Same shit happened with psionics.

>>51505013
I allow 3pp if they tell me how their character works. I trust people not to cheat.
My plates are full of so much shit that I find it a struggle just to get single session per week up.

>>51505039
I get you. Then again, he could be mistaken too. /pfg/ is more than happy to help you understand the mechanics behind initiation if you have questions when you have down time.

I hope everything works out anon.

>>51505039
Do you at least listen when they explain though?
I remember going through that; getting asked 3-4 times over, and then at the end still being accused of cheating anyways because he didn't actually bother reading or listening any of the times; the question was just to establish "I've asked you many times already".

I did half the damage of most of the rest of the party and I was still the one considered doing too much.

What is the stupidest character idea you've been allowed to play that you loved?

> 12 year-old Dragon that wanted to explore the entire world so he could figure out which parts he wanted to rule

>>51505039
>struggling to get it up at such a young age

Talk to a doctor, friend

>>51505146
Intelligent magic tome

>>51505162
Was he a badass freaking overlord?

>pfg edgelord game
>Lewd Ratgirl, Kobold slut, Catboy feet
This is going to be another one of those games where the PCs ignore the quest and just fuck each other isnt it?

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>>51505194
>Catboy feet
But are those feet in really high heels?

>>51505193
More like the book from Nier

>>51505162
I still fondly remember the tome qt from Heretic II. Top shelf premise

>>51505199
>Shoes arent open toed
what a fucking pleb

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>>51505203
Good taste, but I think a missed opportunity

>>51504559
>2hu is anime

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>>51505006
>No offense, but it basically looks like "you are screwed if you try to be even remotely cool" which is not very appealing.

None Taken. I'm trying to be honest about how this is not a game for power fantasies.

>Are you ok with animu pictures and general aesthetics as long as the application is good?

Yes, cute anime pictures are fine. It will be very difficult to convince me, however, that a babe with some feathers taped on is a tengu and is to be taken seriously.

While I'm at it, sorry, but kitsune are furries and do not have fox ears in human form. Kitsune players who pretend to be humans are fine, though.

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>>51505282
>I'm trying to be honest about how this is not a game for power fantasies.
Sure. I like games with more competent or high-profile characters so this is probably not for me, especially if this is supposed to be PF. There are better games for being gritty and low-powered. Or for anything, really.

>While I'm at it, sorry, but kitsune are furries
You are tearing me apart.

>>51505282
>I'm trying to be honest about how this is not a game for power fantasies

Pathfinder is a shit choice then. Especially considering what you've allowed. Casters get their power fantasy, even at low levels. No one else does.

>>51505282
>It will be very difficult to convince me, however, that a babe with some feathers taped on is a tengu and is to be taken seriously.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Aya_Shameimaru

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>>51505282
You should be running Blades in the Dark instead.

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>>51505334
>>51505342
>>51505350
>>51505373

>Pathfinder is no good for what you want. /pfg/ is no good as a place to advertise either.

I appreciate your concerns and advice, friends. I'm very aware of what I'm doing.

Gestalt + mythic + all the 3rd party

What do?

>>51505350
Sure OK, but as someone who didn't read the whole wiki entry, what /really/ distinguishes her from any other special anime girl?

>>51505425
roll up a character I'd imagine

>>51505427
Depends, how do you define special anime girl?

>>51505451
I mean, what makes her tengu aspects important? What would she lose if she was just a magical human anime girl?

>>51505482
If that's how you define it then most fantasy races are just "humans but broader/shorter/prettier and more magical".

>>51505482
She would lose effective immortality, the majority of her natural power (both physical and magical), and her status as a youkai (meaning she would be kicked out of her home and forced to live with the rest of the humans to be harvested for fear and belief).

Put cat ears on anime girl, bam, catgirl
Put dog ears on anime girl, bam, catgirl
Put wings on anime girl, bam, birdgirl
its really simple logic

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>>51505522
>Put dog ears on anime girl, bam, catgirl
Almost got me!

>>51505537
But he's right you know.

Unless she's a Bassett hound or something

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>>51505522
>Put dog ears on anime girl, bam, catgirl

Really makes you think.

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>>51505282
You had said that child characters might be appropriate for this game can I use material from everyone's favorite supplement?

>>51505571
Stay your hand sacred warrior. Your blade is not yet required

>>51505583
I'm doing everyone a favor and asking him the questions we all want to know.

>>51505571
If you're going to pull up more 3rd party, explain somewhere, like in PM's what exactly you want from it and how you think it might turn out over time. I should find that book and look at what it can offer.

>>51505599
No, for the sake of your sanity don't, I'm shitposting. It's a book written by a furry pedophile I dumped last week.

>>51505609
Lmao. I remember that. Weirded me out with all the feet details in the art.

Still, that's my thoughts on other 3rd party. You gotta convince me it's worth even looking at.

>>51504605
So I wonder who initated? Onryou or Elsbeth.

Im thinking Elsbeth. She seems the type.

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>>51505522

>>51505793
That's not how that works. That's not how that works at all.

BOTH initiate simultaneously, their hearts as one, through the power of Courage!

>>51505942
> hearts as one

The hell are you on about. That's clearly a contest of wills going on.

Consider how fucking long people hyped the fucking RofJR, it feels silly it barely began just few weeks ago

>>51505981
First rotjr is this friday.

People are preparing.

(Also official applications started on jan 1st but it had already begun spiralling out of control by the end of november)

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>>51505963
Then there's nothing symmetrical going on at all, then.

It's nothing but some lame boarding action.

>>51505998
Yeah but after it begins, it will have to die down
It is near impossible to stay invested in a game you are not part of

I fail to see to women pressing into each other to assert dominance as lame

>>51506031
>>51506001

>>51505998
>they think the game is real

>>51506105
this lmao

>>51506105

It's real, dammit! Real!

>Realize that Dsp is banned after submitting a long ass wall of text of an application.

Quick pfg I need tales of when you too spilled spaghetti and made fools of yourselves.

>>51506269

I once spilled spaghetti I was eating, and it got my sweater all saucy!

>>51506269

Ili once made a backup character who's whole shtick was being the ultimate mother and breeder, that gave birth to divine childre.

>>51506269
I tried

>>51506299
I remember you

>>51506324
Course you do, he got in

>>51506299

>Amalthea
>Foolish

Why does everyone here talk about playing characters all of the time. Does no one here DM?

>>51506370
Everyone here is too busy wanking to minmax 3PP bullshit to DM.

>>51506370
I've never been just a players before /pfg/

>>51506360
She turned out alright, but it felt foolish at t time

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Let's talk about what characters you want to play, but haven't gotten to yet.

I've been wanting to play a Gingerbread Witch for a while now, because even though the vore part's a little weird the rest of the archetype if neat and flavorful.

Shattered Star? Y/N

>>51506532
This is like the fifth time it's been asked in 5 threads. It's a bit boring because it's nothing but fuckhueg dungeons with little opportunity for RP, but if that's you're thing, go for it.

>>51506370
Well, here is the thing
DMing is kinda expected to be good
I have done "Ok we need someone to DM" a lot but never "I am DM auteur, prepare to be amazed plebs" stuff

>>51506532
No please no
I don't think I have hated an AP more than Shattered Star, and this is saying as person who finished both Giantslayer and Skulls and Shackles

>>51506370
Because anyone who has actual friends to play with isn't here. The only people who are here are the ones masturbating to furry ERP games that are hosted online.

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>>51506370
My group already has 2 DMs, and I have neither the experience nor confidence to do it myself.

One of these days though, one of these days

>>51506516
A lot of us got rejected recently, so we're all sitting on lonesome ideas. Aisha Enkidu for example

Unless you meant mechanics wise?

>>51506632

>You will never play an Ulfen campaign devoted to killing the half-Kellid commander who killed your father amidst the invasion of Sarkoris

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>>51506652
Don't forget the but where said commander gets himself killed trying to protect his home and elevate a worthy king like a hero, then said Ulfen realizes the pointlessness and futility of the cycle of hate and violence, and decides to seek redemption by building a new home in Arcadia so he can escape his cycles of guilt

All the while a huge civil war is tearing the LotLK up in the background

>>51506370
>Forever DM in RL
Why would I talk about DMing here?

>>51506647
What would you like to do mechanics wise?

What is the best domain/mystery for a support cleric/oracle?

Party already has two good martials and two good spellcasters, so I don't need to worry about damage or tanking.

>>51506761
Because it's better than listening to people talk about their stupid character builds?

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>>51503313
>Radiant Historia

hnnnng

>>51503197
Yeah, in this case I don't mean 'you have a spell to do x' like in pathfinder (though Green Magic was definitely a thing in AT1), I mean 'the plot revolves around reyvateils'.

>>51506814
Fuck off, shitter.

>>51505194
I mean there are also plenty of actual characters.

>>51504152
Why did you ban combat manuvers?