/40kg/ Warhammer 40,000 General Thread

>>51494530
Whats the game like now?
I've only really played 3rd ed and have an imperial guard book for 4th ed.

>>51494553
Really big armies and beware of space marine, eldars and tau players, since they become ultra competitive armies with people looking for easy wins and obviously broken army books.

>>51494564
You're wasting the HQ Tervigon in a HFD.

Take two of the Termagant broods and put them in a seperate CAD.

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Friendly Reminder

>>51494536

>Or bring some Inquisition weirdo who has, somehow, come to acquire a lascannon

Why did I laugh so hard at this image.

>>51494553
Like 3rd edition but with more usr and everyone got new cheese. Also, different ways to build armies aka formations everywhere.

To carry on the convo from last thread I will point a few things out.

>no one likes space wolves
>no one likes ultramarines
>Gw is the story tellers and you either enjoy it or you don't
>either way get over it
>no one cared that the Easterlings got btfo in lord of the rings because the story was about Gondor and Rohan.
>eldar are the best armies in the actual game so I don't understand why make believe stories trigger eldar players
>I would be willing to bet that every eldar player mad about fluff has a 60%+ win rate over the last ten years

>Friendly reminded that if you use Magnus no-one will play you, but if you dont you lose every game
Kelly really does have the Midas touch.

>>51494629
>USR
>3rd edition

What?

>>51494564
>>51494588
Would it be worth it to throw Hive Commander on one or both of the Flyrants in order to outflank a unit or two of Devilgants?

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>>51494640

>no one likes ultramarines

but they're easily the most loved chapter though?

>>51494702
loved by who?
>inb4 the spiritual liege

>>51494640

>no one likes ultramarines

I kinda want to rehabilitate the Ultras' rep. Because they SHOULD be cool.

>>51494553
Vehicles now have hull points making them much easier to kill with glances. Xeno factions have less vehicles and more t6+ w5+ models so the hull points change doesn't affect them as much

>>51494702
>>51494723
When you're "the best" it's natural for everyone to hate you

>>51494530
Opinions on Tau or Necrons? What would make me less of a prick when playing at my FLGS

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Hey guys thoughts on this solid list put together by the boys from Games Workshop?

Ultramarini ite domum!

>>51494773
Youre a prick anyway, play the faction you want.

Play crons they're not irrelevant fluff-wise

>>51494629
>>51494579
Are stormtroopers not a unit anymore?

>>51494778

Way to cut straight to the punchline without setup.

It should be "Ultramarines eunt domus!"

>People called Ultramarine they go the house?!

>>51494773
It's impossible to win at this game and not be a prick, so just take w.e you like the most. And avoid playing with randoms as much as possible, the quality of fun drops in most cases

>>51494640
>>everyone pretends to not like the ultramarines because deep down in their heart knows, despite how hard they try they will never be an Ultramarine
FTFY :^)

>>51494795

They're an entire army now, called the Militarum Tempestus.

You can take them either as elites for IG, or a standalone army.

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I claim this thread in the name of the Emperor and for Macragge!

Courage and Honor!

>>51494821
Aaah OK, was just going through the army list posted, putting in everything I owned and didn't see the old models for stormtroopers.

>>51494827
Ultramar shitters get out REEEEEEEEE

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How's this for my first list?

>>51494643
Really seems something that Cruddance would do.

>I'm going to fuck over this faction, but add this ONE OP gem to taunt their fanbase.

>>51494913
1 vox why? Both units need it for the reroll and inside transports you can't take order anyway. Drop standard and medipack, useless. Get flamers.

>>51494777

>Victory is decided entirely by whether or not your opponent has enough Skyfire to take down Magnus

Yeah that's a GW list alright.

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>>51494841
This is what I have...

>>51494994
>enough Skyfire to take down Magnus
Doesnt even matter. Theres not enough WC in that list for Magnus to do anything anyway. He'd have to land and actually fight things making his access to 13 witchfires pointless.

>>51494777
>1840
I refuse to believe there's nothing left to fill those 10 points, holy fucking shit.

>>51495011
>not even enough points for a standard game nowadays.
Get ready to spend some cash, old timer.

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>the hope of the Eldar is a literal tranny god
>dat new target demographic

>>51494564

ok so my opinion time on this cut the arty node and take a 3rd flyrant move the tervigon into the troops slot by takeing a 30 strong brood of gaunts

that puts you at a solid 1005 points so youve got 845 points to work with you seem to be going heavy on anti tank capable units

so you could take a brood of 3 zoans for 150 points you can tac on another 25 points to upgrade 1 to a nuranthrope give it spirit leach to get extra warp cahrges for warp lance and spirit leech is very nice on infantry so it makes it duel purpose and you can target the infentry with sl and warplance something else (zoans are 1 of the best units we have i use them in all my games)

mawloc can stay (flyrants can keep him in synapse and you can start him on the board and burrow him turn 1 so he can terror turn 2) so 140 there

so there you have 555 (530) left to play with id strongly suggest if your going to slog a tervigon up the board or anything for that madder you get atleast 1 venomthrope their 45 points give a +5 cover to all groups within 6" so as long as 1 gaunt from the brood is in 6" of the venomthrope the whole group gets a +5 cover in open ground or a 4+ if their is anything in between

>>51495094
lol
>in the far future there is only consuming
Shit never really changes does it, shit.

>>51494640
I like Space Wolves. I just think Wulfen are ugly and wish they hadn't gone quite so far off the wolf-end in recent years. Their core themes are great though.

I have a 750pt escalation game coming up. Any ideas for an Iron Hands list?

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>>51494841
New models

>>51495110
The doom of the Eldar is also a literal tranny god. What of it?

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>>51495231
>I like Space Wolves
AWOOO

>>51495054

Nah, he can waste a few turns DD-ing whatever can actually kill him first.

>>51495094
>standard game
>not 1500
tourny fags get out.

>>51495255
They're plastic too right? I could get behind them.

>>51495295
Standard is 1850, where I come from

>>51495281
omg someone call PETA.

>>51495295

2000 is the usual standard.

1850 the "I want to practice my tourney list but won't just say that I'll say 1850 points" number.

1000 a small game.

1500 the rare but not unheard of medium game.

500 a little skirmish.

>>51495011
Eh you're not far off. I'd recommend 2 Hydras for Heavy Support, they're extremely good ATM, and you need to get Melta weapons in those vets and Storm troopers.

>>51495316
Excuse me,
Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior? Sanguinius?

>>51495239
Smashfucker.

>>51495281
That model's design is shit and I don't own it. I still like Space Wolves though.

>>51495239
havoks and obliteratos
:^)

>>51494564
part 2

biovores are good but you have a synapse tax on them so youll have to have something sit in the rear with them you could spend 50 points on a zoan to baby sit them but it wont be able to do anything if your trying to be aggressive and move towards the enemy ( you should be) so the other option is a group of warriors slap a heavy venom cannon on them and let them fire as well but thats a bit pricey so id say the biovores should either only be used to hold an objective really close to your deployment area with some warriors or not taken at all

hive guard can be amazing they completely ignore terrain while shooting but 2 str 8 shots at bs3 each for 55 points so 165 points for 3 makes them litterally hit or miss they can be a good if your going against av13+ lists but ull want ur zoans to be dealing with those targets because your flyrants can reliably deal with av12 by glancing it to death and av13 ull only do a hull point on a 5+ or 6+ on a av14 and at bs3 youll only hit 1/2 your shots so the odds arnt that great

i love hive guard but zoans are defiantly better by far still if you like them use them

as for the exocrine i dont have 1 and have never tested it but it seems alright on paper so cant really give advice on it

moar gaunts fill out w/e extra points you can with them as meat shield for the blob going down the feild or just a group here or there to hold an objective

warriors are baby sitters and good objective holders but 30points base is pricy for something that gets inst death from str 8+ if they are baby sitting something like a tyrannofex or biovores in the back line a bio cannon is nice to atleast do something with them but i always see them as a tax for backfield units and they dont seem worth it to take them usually

>>51494773
Don't take Wraiths or Riptides when under 1k points. and don't take either faction's decurion until you are playing at least 1.5k

Unless all your opponents at the lgs are Orkfags they should be fine dealing with you and having a close game

>>51495302
Yup, plastic

>>51495295
>8 dice minimum for those two D's
Well I guess but thats it for your powers makes paying 60 points for each termi squad a huge waste and means they only have 4++.

>>51495239
Chapter Master Smashfucker.

>>51495239
A couple tactical squads and some dreadnoughts.
Led by a librarian and a techmarine

>>51495383
How about two tactical squads with lascannons and a thunderfire cannon? Maybe a autocannon dread in there too?

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I've decided that since I have some spare Ogryn bodies and Admech parts out the ass I'm going to make some of those Ogryn Praetorian servitors that show up all the time in the Admech novels. I want them to be a bodyguard for my Dominus and/or Cawl, so anyone have an idea of what to Counts As them in for? Casual games only, so it can be expensive in points.

>>51495332
Oh there are some heavier weapons in the stormies, I just forgot to change them.

Some Hydras, right o, cheers.

>>51495410
That would be good too.

So will ynead shit allow me to take best models from eldar and dark eldar miniture lines and make a usable army. (newer plastic kits)

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>>51495418
Here's what my list is right now.

So someone said something about a tabletop sim 40kgen league? Did anything ever become of that?

>>51495425
You can already do that though.

>>51495435
The dude preceded it with an IF, a big IF. I think he was just trying to gauge interest.

>tfw didn't but TS when it was on sale

>>51495436
Would a "Start Collecting Eldar" and a "Start Collecting Dark Eldar" box make a good army?

>>51495433
Looks decent.

>>51495433
For such a low points game you have too many lascannons.
I would suggest swapping out for some plasma cannons but I don't have so much luck with Gets Hot so I tend to avoid those. Maybe take heavy bolters on the razorback instead

>>51495472
Most of the players at my local gamestore are IG players so i thought the lascannons would be a good idea.

>>51495485
What kind of IG, Armor or Infantry heavy?

>>51495110
>new
As if.

>>51495380
>>51495339
Who or what is smashfucker? Is it just a WAAC'D out chapter master? Or a specific hero

>>51495510
Any IG list will have chimeras and at least one leman russ at that point cost.

>>51494777
First of all, Reece is a hack. This is the same dude that said "I went undefeated in 5th edition playing Footdar", without actually giving any real battle reports about what he actually fought.

Second of all, egads that's a horribad list. Let's see here:
>But Magnus is T8 versus Scatter Spam.
Like D and Grav care (or Poison on those rare occasions you fight Dark Eldar). Plus, do you really want to keep him tethered to your Terminators? It's not like people play for objectives after all.

>But my Run and Charge Tzaangors.
They're not fearless, unless you attach the Exalted Sorcerer to them. And if you do attach the Exalted Sorcerer, they can't run and charge because only the Tzaangors themselves are allowed to.

I'm honestly at a loss for how they paid Mr. ITC to write this piece.

>>51495528
An Iron Hands chaptermaster on a bike with a 2+FnP

>>51495528
>1d4
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Chapter_Master_Smashfucker

Take that page with a heap of salt because he's actually pretty shit by the actual meta's deathstar standards, he's just a bitch to get rid of in casual/semi-comp games.

>>51495533
A handful of tanks doesn't justify lascan spam though.

>>51494640

What do the Easterlings in LotR have to do with this? I missed last thread.

Easterlings are cool though, I liked their portrayal in the film as persians/chingchongs with bladed spears, heavy armor and pavises.

>>51494795
They're there. They were just renamed Militarum Tempestus, the same way Guard were renamed Astra Militarum, for MAXIMUM COPYRIGHT. GW has been very protective about their IP after Chapterhouse Studios.

>>51494579
Mfw i lose with my tau constantly because i stubbornly refuse to use giant battlesuits. Although it makes winning with kroot and vespid that much sweeter... even if they don't survive past one turn.

>>51495566
14AV on the front of a Leman Russ really does.

>>51495541
>I'm honestly at a loss for how they paid Mr. ITC to write this piece.
Because he just recommended a list with all new models ;^)

>>51494579
Tau themselves are actually not competitive-competitive. They're very much a "gateway" army, good at slaying bad lists but seldom making top 8 (that is, unless your setting allows the Tau'Nar).

Daemons tend to win more than Tau for example. Then again, it's more "Nick Nanivati wins with Daemons" more than anything else.

>>51495603
lascannons aren't really good at killing AV14 though

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A silly idea for a 1500 point list.
Idea is that the 30-gant blob outflanks to delete a couple enemy infantry units. Everything else is pretty standard and self-explanatory.

>>51494777

I don't get it, this actually looks like a solid list. Maybe not hyper-competitive because terminators, but hey, theyre 2+/3++ T5 terminators and each sergeant is a librarian equivalent psyker, that has to count for something right?

>>51495610
Touche.

Anyway, if anyone ever writes to say "GW only writes new rules to sell new OP models", I'll look to Wrath of Magnus and laugh. Because other than Magnus, everything that was released is Orkanaut-tier in terms of "shit rules, shit overcosting, shiny new model".

>>51495634
It's the only thing that has a chance since it's impossible to get that close to an IG gunline with meltas.

>>51494777

Sauce on this list?

>>51495077

just take another tzaangor, lel

>>51495558
OK LOL that was a good read.

>this is his final form
>smash fucker 9000

>>51495572
People were upset that the non imperial factions they play as aren't the focus of the story in 40k.

>>51495690
It's from warhammer-community, the "part 3" of building Traitor Legions lists.

>>51495678
Grav Cannons and Technomancy are still things.

>>51495417
I'm pretty sure that he meant Wyverns.

Which is fine, because it's a dual kit.

But Wyverns are what you want.

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>>51494579
>mfw people hear I play iron hands, and think I'm gonna show up with smashfucker and stacks of unkillable bikes.
>mfw the look of shock on their face when I plunk down predators, dreadnoughts and techmarines.

>>51495433

Drop the Vet Sarges and drop all squads to 5 Marines. Add a Rhino/Pod to the second squad.

Upgrade the flamer to a Plasma or Grav, you have enough Lascannons to not need Melta.

Replace the Tac squad Lascannon with a Plasmagun.

With your extra points consider Combi-Weapons, Melta Bombs, Dozer Blades, and dropping the Razorback down to a Rhino and adding a Scout squad.

>>51495644
>I'll look to Wrath of Magnus and laugh.
The sad thing is I think they thought they were making them strong.

>>51495302
Plastic with the price tag of fucking diamonds.

Bloody hell Space Marines are tough to beat even on Standard in Ultimate Apocalypse. They just keep fucking building everywhere!

Thankfully WITH SM after 3-4 bigass generators you can nuke their ass every 20 seconds. Renegades get what they deserve!

Anybody still play?

>>51495644
Thing is. GW never has done the whole Push New Kits with OP rules. Or if they do it's on accident
>SM Hunter/Stalker & Stormhawk
>New Ork Flier
>Orkanauts / Flashgitz (both got new kits for their 7e dex)
>Thousand Sons (minus Magnus)

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>>51495935
>UA
My compatriot of color. Long time Eldarfag reporting in, though I'm still playing a version from about 2-3 updates back since I was only ever going to convince my friends to install all that shit once.

>>51495971
I think this anon >>51495841 has it.

>>51495452
>>51495425
Ynnead lists is probably more likely to be made up from the worse selling models and not the best ones from both.
Wait like a week or so for the rules and decide then.

>>51495971
What's wrong with the Stormhawk?

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Kabal is coming along nicely. Various stages of doing pictured. Post your dudes and stories of said dudes! Mine have yet to do battle yet.

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>>51495819
>Mfw people hear i play Tyranids
>They think i'm gonna show up with multiple Brainleech flyrants
>Mfw i pull out Old One Eye.

>>51495636
Eh, you'd be surprised. T5 does help terminators but that just means slightly more small arms fire to kill them, still 1 wound. And the sorcerer, while he seems good, still has no access to Spell Familiars which makes him more liable to kill himself through perils than contribute anything significant to the battle. Sekhmet Conclave isn't really worth the points.

t. TS player

Also, here's my list. It's not competitive, but I've had tons of fun in casual play. It's TS-only without spamming Tzaangors or daemons. Best I could implement with my collection.

Thousand Sons Grand Coven

Command (Lord of the Legion)
DP of Tzeentch w/ wings, ML3, Spell familiar, Armour = 310

Core (War Cabal)
Sorc w/ Spell familiar, Termie armour, MoT, ML3, Burning Brand of Skalathrax = 195
3x Sorc w/ Spell familiar, Disc, MoT, ML3 = 510
2x 8+1 Rubrics/Sorc = 484
4+1 Scarab Occult/Sorc = 250

Auxiliary x2 (Daemon Engines)
2 Maulerfiends = 250

1999, 19 WC

>>51495984
It's odd. Like Genestealer Cults and Skitarii AND Cult Mech were good armies with extremely limited duds

And then there's Thousand Sons

I mean fuck in Wrath of Magnus they released SHITTY Thousand Sons AND OP Daemons via Blue/Brimstone Horrors, but at the same time the Daemon decursion was useless with most formations besides Flying Circus and Herald's Unlimited being mediocre.

Just got done playing a game against a friend. 1000 points of my infantry Tau against his space wolves.

His wulfen were terrifying and managed to claw through a lot of my squads. Stealth team cover saves didn't help a lot there, nor did kroot. Drone Sniper team did good work, though what really did it was a few late game deepstrikes and outflanks to secure objectives and linebreaker.

Had a really fun moment where one of his remaining wulfen charged my Cadre Fireblade and pathfinders. Luckily it had a thunder hammer, so my HQ actually managed to swing first and kill it.

Ended up 4 to 3 with VP, as it was just an eternal war game. I think his biggest issue was just not having enough units to contest objectives.

>>51496005
Oh nothing. It's good, but not GAMEBREAKING OMG YOU NEED THREE GW IS PUSHING THIS KIT

>>51495982
Haha, nice one. I generally play Tau, but I do love a good 2 hour protracted battle with IG or SM.

>ALL THOSE FUCKING ROUGH RIDERS

>>51495485

As a guard player I can safely tell you that the key to kneecapping and killing almost any (non flyer or super-heavy-centered) army is to emphasize defenses and get into close combat.

I've lost probably 90% of games I've played with a mix of armor, infantry, fast attack, and artillery just because at BS 3 (or 2 pending a recent application of psychic phase horseshit) the average Guard unit has diddly fuck chance of actually wounding a T4, 3+ 5++ MEQ; and for a trivial cost to you Lascannons, Meltas, and Deep Striking is available.

>Trying to build a decent GK list without using the monobuild or any allies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH48caFgZcI

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>>51496113
>a fellow GK player

>>51495678
>Deepstriking Scions don't exist

Did the Emperor imprison the C'tan under mars before or after he "tricked the chaos gods into making him powerful"

>>51494723
They are cool, and the "hate" is highly exaggerated. Largely because a few lines of fluff was all people really could bitch about with the 5e marine book.

>>51494564
>>51494777
>>51494913
>>51495011
>>51495635
how do you mmake these?

>>51496113
>CAD with multiple Terminators with Dedicated Land Raider (x) is interesting.

Obsecured Raiders gives you something.

>without using the monobuild
Hard when you only have 15 choices and of those about 4 are trash.

>>51496152
>"tricked the chaos gods into making him powerful"
Stop believing Carnac's lies.

>>51496162
>>THIS IS THE ROSTER CREATOR, WE LOVE POINTING IT OUT SO PLEASE ASK FOR IT!
>https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>>51496162
READ THE OP, YOU SHITTER

>>51496162
With "babby's first picturebook" The Listbuilding Experience.

>>51494913
Pretty bad, Don't buy this.

>>51496164

I generally play 1k games.

>life is suffering

>>51496249
10/10 don't change a thing

>>51496044

>burning brand

Excellent choice, do Coruscatorfags even lift?

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Playing this match with my GF.
Who's gonna win?
Taking all bets.

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>>51496019
The gangs of commorragh thing inspired to work on my DE again.

How awful does this look?

>>51495415
There isn't really anything Ogryn sized that fits the bill in 40k. Custodes maybe? They're pretty good.

>>51495541
He wasn't writing competitive lists dumbdumb. He was writing thematic lists that try and take advantage of the new Legion rules.

>>51494594
Friendly reminder, all Imperial lore is propaganda designed to placate the masses against a galaxy of horrors that wants to destroy them in the most objectively terrible manner possible.

>>51496180
>>51496185
>>51496191
gottem

>>51496332
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>51496273
Brand is love, Brand is life. It's one of the best relics CSM get, honestly. This way I get to drop my Sorc with the Scarab Occult and have a 20" AP3 threat range that fucks cover after dumping some psychic dakka. It's so bloody versatile.

Can Khaine be re-assembled?

Would doing so even have any benefit for the Eldar?

>>51496374
Doesn't Khaine want all those disgusting fucks dead?

I remember that being a thing. It's probably not the best idea to reform the god of "Why isn't everyone fighting/dying RIGHT NOW?"

>>51496308
Hey, that would actually work quite well. I'd have to outfit them with tons of extra armour, but it does pretty much everything I want and is tax-free. I'd have to make some suitably intimidating spears for two of them and an Admech Vexilla, but it would be fun to try. Thanks, anon.

(Cawl's pretty good at covering their weaknesses too. He has excellent anti-tank and can mechadendrite his way through tarpits nicely.)

>>51494530
Anyone know where to find the old 40k chimera assembly instructions?

>>51496403
It's not like Custodes are weak against tarpitting. With the Vexilla they get like 4-5 attacks each with the leader getting an extra. They mulch Guardsmen and Boyz. Cawl would just turn that up to 11.

>>51496395
In older fluff, khaine made the yngir (which we know as the C'tan now) as his immortal soldiers and killed most of the eldar race with them because he fucking hated the eldar.

Craftworlders are kind of weird giving him as much reverence as they do.

>>51496481
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>>51496481
Well, the Judeo-Christian God has done wholesale slaughter several times but they still worship him.

Worship is like 40% respect and 60% fear.

It's not too strange to revere the being that held the power to destroy you but that has been turned to your service.

>>51496508
d o y o u r o w n h o m e w o r k k i d

>>51496516
Suppose that's true. I dig khaine, kinda a shame him and the aspects don't get any love, model-wise.

>>51496275
You better not lose to a girl. Also
>those lists
You're both terrible people

>>51496481
lmao cuckworlders

tiny pinear willys

big meaty c'tan slabs

>>51496542
>those lists
Nothing wrong with a little hatefucking once in a while

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Is it just me or are these overpowered at 3 points?
With Vraks the 0-1 restriction is gone.

>>51496541
Gotta sell them Wraith constructs and bikes anon. Because god forbid there is variation in lists.

>>51496288
Looks pretty cool man I can't wait to try out Gangs! Have you had the chance to play yet?

>>51496423
Back in my day we assembled chimeras by the hundreds while blindfolded and didn't have those fancy cutters you got now, we used steak knives from the kitchen and not those fancy steak knives you got now the bad ones.

>>51496481

>In older fluff, khaine made the yngir (which we know as the C'tan now) as his immortal soldiers and killed most of the eldar race with them because he fucking hated the eldar.

Wait, so he would have made the Nightbringer, Deceiver, Outsider and Nightbringer then?

Does that mean the Talismans of Vaul (Blackstone Fortresses) were given to the Eldar by Vaul to combat Khaine's minions?

>>51496481
>>51496541

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>>51496568
Yes they're very good, but S6+ blasts will tear clean through them.

Hell, any kind of blasts/template will do dirty things to them, they're only T3 with no save other than a 5+ FNP.

I was witness to an Apoc game where a Malcador Infernus roasted about 60 of them in a single shot, it was brilliant.

You're really only using them as a screen and to hold objectives.

>>51496629
*typo, meant 4+ FNP

If anyone corrects this before me I'll fix bayonets

>>51496626
Burden of proof lies on the accuser. If you question the validity of his statement then you need to provide information that refutes it

>>51496541
>>51496646
No, the burden of proof lies with you for talking shit without providing evidence.
>lmao do my work for me and find sources yourself
That's not how this works.

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>>51496646
>Burden of proof lies on the accuser.

>>51496629
>it was brilliant
Found the brit

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>>51496113
Anon, I know your pain. Why is everything so expensive

>>51496622
>Wait, so he would have made the Nightbringer, Deceiver, Outsider and Nightbringer then?
Pre-dates the named c'tan, man. Pre-dates the name "c'tan" entirely. Chambers just stuck the yngir name onto the necron c'tan after the fact, despite the obvious questions it raises.

>>51496626
Is all your 40k knowledge gleaned from /tg/, or what.

>>51496666
I'm not the guy who said that originally. I'm just saying if you wanna refute something then refute it with facts. If he had corrected you and said what he said I would be telling him to prove it instead

>>51496666
>>51496685

>Arguing with quads

now THAT'S how it doesn't fucking work

>>51496629
>Malcador Infernus
How the hell did it get within range against AP2 rapier laser batteries? Did the opponent not take them?

>>51496701
Back to /b/ with you, and take your irrelevant quads with you

>>51496715
>18 inch torrent hellstorm
its a real mystery there bud

>>51496646

Buddy, if you're gonna make a bullshit claim like the Eldar gods created the C'tan, that's entirely on you.

Particularly when in that same old fluff the Eldar weren't even created until the Old Ones needed someone to fight their battles for them.

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Hey guys, I need some feedback on this list. It's my first time playing and I'm going against tyranids and I made this list.
The Dread is actually my lord of war and he has LoG Battle of Terra.
Opinions?

>>51496730
Again I'm not the one who made the claim, I'm just saying if you refute something you need to do it with facts. You for example, have written something regarding facts instead of just saying SOURCE XDDDD

>>51496744
what did you use to make this?

>>51496725
If someone's fielding an infernus against my horde army I'm taking it out before it gets into range. Kind of stupid not to

>>51496773
The link OP posted
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/#/rosterCreator

>>51496751
>refuting it
We're not trying to prove him wrong, we are asking him to provide proof that he is right. There is a big difference here.

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>>51494640
>no one likes ultramarines
0/10 everyone loves the ultramarines

>>51496730
>the Eldar weren't even created until the Old Ones needed someone to
No, that's new fluff.

Fun fact: the war in heaven was originally the name for the conflict between Vaul and Khaine, that ended with Khaine chaining Vaul to his own anvil.

You probably didn't know this because you don't actually give a fuck about 40k and just want to shitpost.

>>51496775
Well in a perfect world yea. I doubt the guy who gt roasted cared much about 150 pts of 3 pt zombies in an apoc game

>>51496678
>>51496622
>>51496481
He allied with the Yngir, you mean. I demand you source where it says he created them. I have the books with me (most of them) give citations.

>>51496775
>implying you get first turn
>implying i'm not protecting my rolling bomb with cover

>>51496677

And then everyone is like

>Why not just use =][= allies, that's what they're there for

IT'S NOT THE SAME THAN THE BLESSED SILVER

>>51496798
>the war in heaven was originally the name for the conflict between Vaul and Khaine, that ended with Khaine chaining Vaul to his own anvil.
That's not oold fluff, it's an unrelated event that takes place in Eldar mythology, which happens to share its name with the Old Ones and the C'tan (or in the new fluff, the Eldar and the Necrons).

>>51496796
Well it looks to me like he's dropping facts all over you and you've still provided nothing of substance

>>51496715
It was an Apoc game, there were bigger fish. The Infernus only roasted the zombies over juicier targets because they were starting to get close to the Guard gunline, so he cut sideways with his torrent to push back their frontline.

It ended up getting popped turn 3 and went giganigga boom, luckily it had been moved into no mans land.

>>51496828
Another anon. I literally read every single piece of Eldar and Necron lore in the setting. I don't recall anything about Khaine creating the Yngir.

The Yngir were just a race of giant that warred with the Eldar Gods before they were revealed later in the Necron lore to be C'tan. I have the books so where is the citations?

>>51496744
So no help with this? Not even an insult?

>>51494827
There's something very off about those drop pods.

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>>51496828
>he's dropping """""facts"""""
Facts without evidence are as good as no facts at all. Anyone can shitpost here without providing sources, watch:

>Plastic Sisters in February
>New Jetbikes in June
>AotE will squat Slaanesh and replace its role with the Hive Mind, also Chaos Nids now
>The Emperor was legit gay (it must be true, it's in the fluff)

>>51496811
It was one of the earlier epic expansions. Might have been Renegades? Hard to source because of how the stuff was split between magazine, rulebook and supplements.

>>51496864
>The Emperor was legit gay (it must be true, it's in the fluff)
So THAT is why he made 20 test-tube babies instead of just fathering them the traditional way. I should have known.

>>51496744
You're a cock, and have bad taste in armies
there happy?

srsly tho, 1200 pts? who plasy 1.2k?

>>51496823
>That's not oold fluff
'94 isn't old, now?

>it's an unrelated event with the same name and similar players that came out before the modern version of the "War in Heaven"
sure

>Friendly reminder that the Emperor is actually a C'tan
Remember if you disagree you have to prove he's not.

>>51496864
Neither of you have provided sources either, what's your point?

>>51496851
I don't actually know or care man, I play marines lol fuck xenos

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I tried to add the new gangs box to my army.

How's this?
The idea is the chronos gives all my bikes, jump infantry and warriors a better FnP if they ever manage to survive that long.
5 squad of warriors provide a cover save to the chronos then sitting on objectives.

>>51496113
I love Purifier Squads but I don't know how to use them.

I absolutely adore Dreadnoughts, but they're just bad for their points.

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>>51496921
>Remember if you disagree you have to prove he's not.
That is not how arguments work.

>>51496925
So you have no proof and you were bullshitting. Glad we know that.

>>51496895
Just skimmed it. It's not there.

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>>51496815
Anon I dont even mind that, its literally everyone having to say how the grey knights are overpowered. Its like they never played a game but still need to chime in on my army choice. I just want to have my holy knights bring righteous fire to disbelievers.

>>51496921
Well that's just ridiculous, I've seen them both in the same room at the same time

>>51495935
I did before my gfx card died, sadly struggles even a basic game now, battlefield gothic was awsome for space marines though

>>51496960
>Just skimmed it. It's not there.
Then keep looking. It's from that half-decade of epic that shaped modern 40k, leading up to the release of 2e.

>>51496921
C'tan = Void Dragon = Machine God = Omnissiah = Emperor.

Checks out.

>>51496960
Proof of what? I never made any claims. The dude who made claims was talkng about lore from '94. I was 5 years old in '94 so I got no idea what happened then. I'm guessing you weren't old then either and that's why it's news to you too

>>51497003
>Omnissiah=Emperor
Nobody thinks that

>>51496997
It isn't there, mate.

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>>51496925
Nice fallacy, but just because we haven't disproved his ass-pulled facts doesn't mean they are true. The burden of proof is on him for positing these claims without providing sufficient evidence to prove them true. That other anon has the books on hand, so he can confirm them for us, so why is anon not posting proofs?

I wish I'd saved all those roosters back when that one /pol/lack kept shitting up these threads, because now would be an excellent time to use them all.

>>51497055
The dude is clearly older than you and is talking from a time long forgotten. Also

>questioning elders
>on tg
Your blasphemies have cost this board quite enough already, don't compound them. I shall give your names to the council and if you pray they may show you mercy

>>51496744
What kinda Tyranid player you going up against? Because if he brings flyrants you're fucked. Also, unless your Elites kill any MC you get into combat with before it can strike, your GOING to lose people to it's innate AP2, FnP or not. In other words, all your Sanguinary Guard need swords, and NOT axes.

Baal Strike Force isn't really that great versus 'nids as they tend to be either I3 or lower or I6 or higher. Very few of their units are I4. I'd roll with a Combined Arms or a Flesh Tearers Strike Force. The latter would also allow you to drop 80 points in Tacticals.

The TL Assault Cannon on the Stormraven is iffy too. It won't cause most players to jink their flyrants because while it CAN rend, it's still S6 AP4 without it. I'd take the TL Lascannon just for the "if you don't fucking jink you're guaranteed a wound".

Dante is pretty good versus big old 'nid MCs but he can be overwhelmed rather easily.

Death Company could use a sword or two to deal with the 3+ present on a lot of 'nid MCs.

>>51497053
sure

>>51497003
Tech priests believe the Emperor is an avatar of the Omnissiah, not the Omnissiah, and even then, not all think this.

>>51497094
>The dude is clearly older than you
>Probably a 12 year old troll
desu, it's probably just you samefagging

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>>51497094
>Non-sequiturs: The Post
See you later.

>implies I'm a newfag
>calls the board tg

>>51497137
ENOUGH, I will hear no more of this grotesque charade, remove yourself from my presence

>>51496914
Yeah well it's for a campaing and somehow the whole group decided 1200 was acceptable.

Man this is the most boring shit posting I've seen you fuckers argue about in a while.
Inb4 farsights sword is the finger of a eldar good and the emperor of mankind's the last living old one and the imperium of Man is his one last fuck you to the universe that didn't go to plan.

>>51497104
I was thinking maybe Lost Brotherhood or Death Company Command could also work?

>>51496962

We made a rod for our own back in 5th ed. We were hilariously overpowered back then.

And now we're getting turbofucked for our hubris.

>>51497182
>the emperor of mankind's the last living old one
The Old Ones were lizardmen/Slaan type things

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>>51497192
Never got to play in 5th edition,

>>51497201
>implying Emps couldn't just use psychic bullshit to appear as whatever the fuck he wanted to be
>implying he could use genetic engineering to turn himself into a human lookalike either
How dare you try to argue against Anon's baseless argument without providing proof to the contrary?

>>51494753
just like the patriots

Should I do purple or pink Emp's Children?

are GK termies good enough on their own that they can be useful in that IA daemonhunter strike force thing?

>>51497303
Whatever colour u like anon.
Lore wise purple was pre heresy and pink is post heresy.

>>51497217

It got a lot of shit back in the day, but it's a hell of a lot better than the cess pool we have now j

>>51494913
not enough conscripts

>>51497321
Maybe

How effective is Outflank if you're Orks?

>>51497303
No, do purple and gold.

>>51497368
It's pretty ok with burnas.
Otherwise their >bs2 doesn't make it worth it.

>>51497190
This is just my personally experience here, but Death Company work best field when you don't field a lot of them. They're a great unit, but if they can't make it into melee because you have to so few of them compared to all the shooty units in your opponents army, bringing them is just going to hurt you. You're better off bringing a single squad to spook your enemy and draw fire away from other units than you are using them as the bulk of your force.

>>51495110
>new
did you forget who doomed their race?

>>51495302
35$ for 5
enjoy goy

>>51497338
That's my problem. I think purple and black looks better over pink and black, but I already have some pink lying around.

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Trying to work out what would be good to add to this to bring it up to 1500

Hard mode: its supposed to be themed around a Rogue Trader landing party

>>51497448
Do classic purple and gold.

>>51497217
5th had more armies at about the same power level. I remember GK and Necrons being terrifying. No formations, only a single cad

>>51497491
Necrons were shit in 5th, at least post-Ward.

>>51496360
It's an excellent tool all-around, barring facing certain skew lists. That said, most folks know it's an all-around excellent artifact (that and the Black Mace, and certain "Legion-specific" artifacts).

For my Word Bearers army though, I actually prefer the Scrolls of Magnus though because it lets my Lord (can't take dual Sorcerers in a Chaos Warband sadly, and a "second sorcerer" in the list would not have Obsec/Favored Scions) become a ML 1 Psyker.

Since the FAQs let you have both a Psychic Focus and Chaos Psychic Focus, I figure I have a 1 in 3 chance of getting a really good Primaris (Prescience or Psychic Shriek), and a 1 in 3 chance of getting a "usable" one (Smite is passable on BS 5, and Assail from Telekinesis is funny), and that's before you roll for the power you get.

Worst comes to worst, it's an extra Warp Charge/better chance to Deny. At its best, you get a S8 T8 Smashing Shredding 3++ Jetbike of doom (or even potentially S10 T10 if you get an allied Sorcerer casting Gift of the Leper, and the right boons), that gets 2 boons anytime he kills a champ. Though he would lose to Smashfucker & Friends in a straight-up fight, he can potentially blender through most anything else...it's actually quite hilarious.

I just need a name for the Disc Lord of Magnus. Scrollsmasher? Weeaboo Fightin' Lord?

(The build btw):
Chaos Lord: Mark of Tzeentch, Disc, Sigil of Corruption, Power Fist, Lighting Claw, Scrolls of Magnus & Spell Familiar. -235 pts.

Oh, and he's Obsec too.

>>51497456

Enjoy your T3 Nork.

>>51497436
Not nearly as bad as nid players have with Hiveguard.

>>51497475
No.

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The Necron bomber actually seems really strong and fun.

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Repostan my list. Any thoughts Anons?

>>51497574
You forgot your Heldrakes.

>>51497611
>>51497574
Helldrakes are still the best unit in the codex.
Also consider a skyshield landing pad for it to begin the game on.

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How bad of an idea is it to start collecting GK by making Interceptors?

>>51497634

>Helldrakes are still the best unit in the codex.

I think Daemon Princes have those beat.

>>51497368
Prior to the current FAQ, there was a build I wanted to test out with the Mogrok's Bossboyz formation (D3 units in your army get Outflank and Acute Senses) that took a 2nd Warp'ead, and 2 Gunwagons (cheap AV 13).

The idea was to outflank said Gunwagons with the Weirdboyz inside them. Gunwagons come on board, Weirdboyz cast powers from inside, then the Gunwagons Flat-Out. Basically ghetto tank destroyers.

Then GW released the FAQ that said you can't use Beams or Focused Witchfires from inside a transport (despite prior rules/FAQs describing "beams/templates fired from inside a dedicated transport do not hit the transport"). Fuckin' GW man.

I suppose you could still do Bossboyz by themselves for some outflanking shenanigans (Mek Gunz/Megaboss?), or maybe the odd Looted Wagon or so? Meh.

>>51497656

>I suppose you could still do Bossboyz by themselves for some outflanking shenanigans (Mek Gunz/Megaboss?), or maybe the odd Looted Wagon or so? Meh.

Can outflank mek gunz too.

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According to the WD leak, Vect opposes Ynnari and the awakening of Ynnead.

Justify this, /tg/.

>>51497574
Drop the terminators down to 3 as well as the chaos spawn and get a heldrake or trim enough for two hell blades.

>>51497698
>Justify this, /tg/.
Vect's a cool guy who isnt afraid of the trap-god.

>>51497698
vect is an old school eldar with old school values and thinks ynnari is a dumb name

eldrad has been doing too much crystal meth and doesn't get to have opinions

>>51495366
>5 Riptides are fine at 1250

Taufags should be killed IRL

>>51495366
>don't take either faction's decurion until you are playing at least 1.5k
The Eldar decurion is an objectively bad pick over a standard CAD, unless you're trying to pull off some shitty meme like spamming as many Wraithknights as you can.

It's specific formations of theirs that are the problem, such as the Aspect Host.

>>51496036
You're a brave man

>>51496568
which book has the current rules for these guy?

this has them at 3 points each with slow and purposeful and warp plague...seige of vraks has them at 6 points each but they have shambling gait instead of slow and purposeful and they dont have warp plague.....


I prefer them out of vraks because the 0-1 restriction is gone and i actually like Shambling Gait because they can actually run in the shooting phase. You end up with them being able to move more than 6" a turn

>>51497792
I would argue 1 riptide per 1000 points as an absolute maximum.

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>>51497792

>>51497848

Only above 1k games though.

If you take a Riptide in a 1k game, you're getting hit with a pillowcase of frozen oranges.

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so i play age of sigmar but also want to play 40k, i have the skitarii codex and the mechanicus one, as well as the skitarii start collecting, what should i add to this to bring it up to 1k? i saw earlier in the thread that 1k is the standard points for small games which i am most interested in, i'm going with the colour scheme in the picture

>>51497899
Yeah, basically. 1 riptide at any point until 2000 points, at which point it's okay to have 2 without being a total dick.

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???

>>51497698
you give the people a chance to save themselves and they won't be looking at you for salvation. he'd end up losing a lot of power by following this new god

>>51497848
>Implying riptides are even good

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So? How about this list agaisnt nids?

>>51497968
>nids

just field anything and you win

>>51497611
>>51497634
>>51497712
Forgot to mention it's a chaos warband + spawn aux to get Death Guard bonus

I have one heldrake and was considering getting second one to run them in a Black Legion for the turn 1 reserve roll

>>51497968
How do you expect to deal with his FMCs?
That list could get pounded into the ground by even 800 or even fewer points of nids.

>>51497698
The Ynnari are a threat to his power.

>>51497698

Given that said "awakening" shattered a craftworld, I can perhaps understand his opposition.

Plus doesn't the prophecy concerning Ynnead involve grave destruction and chaos, which is said to include ALL Eldar?

Including those who dwell in the Dark City?

>>51497456
A platoon?

>>51497986
>Nids
>Ever winning vs something in power armor
its not 1992 anymore

>>51496595
And not a single track was in the right place lol

>>51497698
Ynnead is destroying the status quo in both craftworlds and Commoragh and he isn't so stupid to blindingly follow a warp being

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>>51497698
>In order for this god to be created all eldar must die
>Vect is an eldar
>Vect's power is over other eldar
>Vect neither wants to die or lose his power
I dunno why he thinks creating a death god might be a bad idea.

Also DE hate the gods unless they manage to actually prove themselves worthy of worship and won't start pre-worshiping eldrads fucking early access god.

>>51498012
Nids can legally bring 3 Flyrants in 1200, with plenty of points left over for more shit.

>>51497906
After I got the Start Collecting Box I bought a unit of Kataphrons, Kastelan Robots, (was gifted) a squad of Sicarian Infiltrators, and just got another Start Collecting Box.

It depends on how you want to play the army.

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>>51497562
>Actual rules for using FW in a meta formation

Sure wish someone gave enough of a shit about my factions to spend 5 minutes doing that

>>51497698
The reason he opposes it is so they dont have to give him a new model ever

>>51498061
>eldrads fucking early access god
K E K

>>51497986
Oh my, any sort of advice? what units or weapons should I include/exclude?

>>51497906

Well it depends. You have solid infantry, so i would suggest getting a few more squads of them. Either way you need at least one more box to have the minimum troop choices. Dunecrawlers are good gun platforms. Running a gunline of them works pretty well.

The real question here is do you want to go straight skitarii or are you going to add in any Cult Mechanicus? That makes a difference.

If straight skitarii i would say pick up another few squads of troops and then fill up on dunecrawlers and Ironstriders. The skitarii elite choices are so so. I've gotten some very good results from my Infiltrators, but using them and ruststalkers well takes some practice.

If you're coming from sigmar be aware of how different the rules are going to be.

>>51498133
get some skyfire, my negro

I wish to be the snowflake.

I want a unique, or at least unusual, army. But I'm shit at conversions, so I can'tmake a whole other army.

Plus the normal army I'd settle for, Grey Knights, are complete shit.

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>>51497968
YOU ARE NOT PREPARED

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Everyone likes to whine about the big tau suits. How about the more traditional non bullshit tau lists? High tech armies are cool.

>>51498167
FW corsairs.

>>51498191

I guess that's true. Popular armies are popular for a reason.

>>51498167
Play Dkok like every other snowflake

>>51496586
I don't actually have it but I looked at how much of an insanely good deal it is, how much I've wanted hellions and how much I need more bikes...
As their supposed to be like, ganger mercenaries I was thinking about painting them up in different colours.

I'm fluffing my army up just as one of the archons within the kabal of the black heart and his gang of warriors and mercenaries. He runs with a disgraced succubus of the cult of strife because they're madly in love as wifey and husbando. They engage in all kinds of kissing and hand holding when not on slave raids.

I'm too embarrassed to tell anyone the last part.

>>51498220

I'm not a millionaire, senpai.

>>51498167
Legion of the Damned with Celestine for some new Relics. Go full Daemons of the Emperor.

>>51494530
Can anyone think of anything that needs to be added or changed in a new OP template?

All the megas still work? New Megas? New list builders? Battle report makers? Warhammer Community links?

>>51496113
Monobuild?

>>51498227
Then you're too poor for this fucking hobby

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>>51498167
If I had the money and wanted to be a snow flake I'd go for an Elysian vehicle list and get some sweet shit like pic related.

>>51498237

Level 3 Libby with Liber Daemonica and as many Dreadknights as you can stand to bear.

Are Elysian Drop Troops any fun?

>>51498235
New mega, after old(epub one) was shut down.
Also WH Community link will be nice.

>>51498269
They don't lend well with today's meta. Back in 5th they were okay. You'd be much better off with DKoK

>‘Not everyone hates Commorragh and wishes to see it fall,’ Motley said.

>‘But most do,’ Vect shot back. ‘Do the craftworlds send their condolences and offer me their aid? They do not. Do the Exodites grieve for our loss? They do not – in fact they would rejoice if they knew of it. The sensibilities of our various backward cousins in the greater universe remain what they have always been – an irrelevance. Commorragh does not need them and I would reject any such overtures anyway, or better yet I would accept them and enslave all of the simpering fools that came here crying their false tears of conciliation. Commorragh stands alone as it has always done and I will destroy any fool that preaches otherwise.’

-Path of the Archaon
What does he mean by this?

How viable are Haemonculus cults? I have an itchy conversion finger and there really aren't many places in 40k to deploy massed monstrous infantry sized conversions. Grotesques seem good for that on paper, and a mad scientist's experiments seems a converter's dream come true.

Are Necrons any fun to play? I really like the models.

>>51498279
Has someone got one?

>>51497968
You only need one Troops choice in the Flesh Tearers Strike Force and you fill that with the Scouts, so why do you have not one but two footslogging Taxtical Squads? Drop 'em and get an Assault Squad w/ Jump Packs and two Meltaguns

Why do the Sanguinary Guard have Death Masks? Tyranid units will be Fearless 99% of the time.

Don't give every fucking DC a power weapon. Give just one or maybe two guy a sword or take Sanguinary Guard. Is the Drop Pod for them? They have Jump Packs; they don't need it. Buy it in a Fast Attack slot and give it to the Libby.

Flakk Missiles are fucking terrible versus flyrants. They wound 3's and he'll get his armor save since they're only AP4 Take a Stormraven instead. It's about on par with a single flyrant for a little cheaper and it'll protect 6 Jump Pack dudes and a Dreadnought until they can pop out and Assualt something. If he brings two it's fucked but he's also a fucking WAAC asshole.

Also, just saying, you can take pic related as a Troops choice and buy him a Fast Attack Drop Pod. He's pretty beast versus most 'nid MCs if he can get in range of 'em. Just remember he has 2 more attacks than what his profile actually says.

>>51498114
>tfw when you play an assault army
>I5
>without access to assault grenades
>I1

>>51498283

Obvious political joke goes here.

There, I've acknowledged it on the inevitable level. Can we avoid actually doing a derail?

>>51498283
it means vect doesnt have time for all the other eldar's bullshit, which is completely reasonable

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>>51498299
forgot fucking pic

>>51498292
If you like attrition style play, sure.

>>51498311
What the hell are you even on about?

>>51498316

Cassor the troops choice and the flesh tearer detachment was a goddamn godsend for my all dreads theme list. Don't even have them painted as blood Angels.

>>51498292
Necrons are great at not dying, less good at actually killing. I would highly recommend them and IMO Cron warriors are the best basic unit in the game.

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>>51498235

>>51498330

"What did he mean by this?" Is a pol term, plus the content of the post. It was bait.

>>51498221
That is both cool and partially adorable it's safe here Anon.

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>>51498133
This list.

>>51498362
It's a meme that appears in /v/ and /a/ as well. It's not just /pol/ that use it.

>plus the content of the post. It was bait.

How? What?

So theres a new Start Collecting box for Tzeentch Daemons, but on the website it links to AoS rules. Does this mean it wont get a formation for 40k? Because it doesnt have enough troops for a CAD and you have to buy the Blue Horror kit as well making the 'value' of the box decrease immensely.

>>51498283
>Is an eldar not entitled to the sweat of their brow?
>No! Say the eldar of the craft worlds, it should be spent on the aspect paths.
>No! Says the exodite, it should be spent in the service of nature.
>No! Says the harliquin, it should be spent in service to our god!
>I rejected those options and I chose... COMMORRAGH!

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I'm narrowing down what army I want to play, and Necrons seem fun.

So I totally expect this is going to be a tyre fire, right?

>>51498384

Nah, dropping out of this conversation now. If I spell it out. I'm starting the very thing I want to avoid.

>>51498404
>playing horrors with the split rule
fuck yourself, kiddo

>>51494605

>"My Lord, since when have you carried a Lascannon?"
>"Ugh, it's a long story..."

TWO TERRAN WEEKS PREVIOUS

>Inquisitor is looking in a Departmento Munitorum requisition window, his hands and face pressed against the glass. A shiny new Lascannon hangs on a display rack near the back
>"...Neat!"

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>>51498345
iktf anon

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>>51494530
I've been away since the 8th, what'd I miss so far?

>>51498413
Looks solid Anon. Necrons units are almost always solid and can be used in some fashion or another.

Without going into min-maxing as that looks like the start collecting and extras you like, you may want to split up those warriors just for objectives/split firing.

>>51497698
vect thinks awakening yneead is absolutley...absurd.

>>51498447
>Playing the game by the rules is bad
Sure is autismo in here today.

Besides as if summoning horrors with horrors is any better fgt.

>>51498404

Technically you need to buy two blue horror boxes for each pink box if you play it the GW way.

That said: Don't. If you magnetise some colour coded bases to attach to the undersides of your bases (pink, blue and orange) you can represent a mixed swarm of horrors as being at a certain split level as needed.

Two boxes of pink and one box of blue/brimstone will net you 40 physical models, and you can recycle dead pinks and blues to count as lower ones.

>>51498471

That's exactly what it is. There's some stuff in Crons I really don't like (Tomb Blades look goofy as shit) but the regular-ass dudes look cool as shit.

Plus, after building lists for marines, eldar etc, it's nice that I can put squad loadouts largely out of my mind. Everyone goes into a big blob, and gets the same fucking gun.

>>51498456
Cadia's gone. Commoragh is almost gone. Biel-Tan is gone.
Sanguinius or the Eprah is coming back in the 3rd part of Rising Storm though

>>51498413
You'd be better off with triarch praetorians rather than lychguard without a transport.

>>51497360
maybe?

Daily reminder that the Dark eldar are the true eldar and craftworlders can get fucked