Warhammer 40,000 General

>>51486029
New kroot and other alien units units when?

2nd for Night Lords

First for Curzefag did nothing wrong.

>>51486094

Except we can't even talk about NL because that turbo autist ruined everything.

>>51486029
New stormtrooper models when?

>>51486088
This is the only reason I like Tau, they're a ton of assimilated alien races, but theres only kroot and vespids.

>>51486103
>>51486094
Who is Curzefag?

>>51486121

and Kroot and Vespid aren't even good. I wish they were. It would be nice to see them on the table. I'm hopeful that in 8th ed Tau empire will get expanded with model ranges and books for the auxiliaries. It'll need to get expanded so that it can stand against Grand Alliance Order 40k.

>>51486103
I won't judge you, anon. Tell me why you like Night Lords.

>>51486094
The only good thing about him was that he could make Carnac rage quit every time he showed it's horrible head.

>>51486121
I feel like they may be unwilling to give them more auxiliaries because then Tau would have even more options. I remember in lore there being a race of lizard men type aliens that are quite tough. You'd basically be giving the Tau a front line bruiser to absorb charges better than anything else they have.

>>51486137
A namefag who husbandos Konrad.

>>51486146
Not him but terror tactics are cool

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>>51486146
It's fun to indulge in pure edge sometimes.
It's why I like Dark Eldar too.

>>51486152
Then give them a supplement like FE that doesnt allow fuckhuge robots and markerlights, but gives them an army of assimilated aliens races.

Hmmmm....

I'm trying to think if a Grand Master with the Soul Glaive and a Psilencer with a 5 man unit of Paladins with 2 psilencers would be worth it. Just cast force easy because Soul Glaive lets you reroll failed tests to harness Force. Which means 18 S4 AP- Instant Death shots from the unit, as well as having all their melee weapons become ID as well. So no FnP and auto remove any multiwound models without EW.

Thoughts?

>>51486152

well if they nerfed suits a bit and gave Tau other options we'd get to see some variations in their builds. It'd be nice to see something besides a mess of suits and drones every time i played against Tau. Just put them in different codexs. Different lines that are battle brothers with Tau. Codex Kroot shapers Codex Vespid Codex lizard men Codex Squats. ....Yeah that'll never happen.

>>51486194
Psilencers are often overlooked but I feel like they'd be really funny against Greater Daemons that don't get the right gifts.

>>51486147
Iirc, Curzefag is a legit gril.

>>51486220
Proofs?

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>>51486029
Played 1500 Tau against the Death Guard detachment tonight. Rolled the kill points mission, Dawn of War, went second, seized.

Thought I'd try out fortifications tonight. Built a void relay with 3x barricades and tanglewire for my gunline.
List was OSC + CAD: Fireblade, 2 strike teams, 2 dual flamer Crisis on a void relay, 2 deepstrike dual plasma crisis, 1 piranha, 6 pathfinders, 2 remoras, iontide.

The fortifications were useless, the bike commander and his Spawn just charged over the fortifications and never engaged the void shield, same for the winged Prince. Quad torrent is fun, but seems like it's only effective against things regular tau shooting can beat.

Toys beat boys in this instance, he killed 9 units and I killed 6, even though I had slightly more points left on the board when the game ended.

I've played a lot of bikes and Nurgleites lately and they exploit some of the Tau's biggest weaknesses, I think I just need to go with a hunter contingent and get more Broadsides on the field.

>>51486198
I've been doing some reading and I've not found anything to support that. My warboss can still read The Art of War IN SPACE!!!

>>51486194
>>51486213
I've heard stories of ID Psilencers managing to kill a Tervigon or even DP that were at full health with one shot.

>tfw realize that DPs and Greater Daemons don't have EW
>DPs only have 4 wounds

>>51486088

To be honest, are they even constitute enough of a presence within the Tau Empire to contribute anything of note to their military?

I keep hearing the Tau massively outnumber the other races in their Empire, and that cloning is likely to keep it that way in their military en devours.

>>51486220
Bullshit, Konrad Curze isn't a Tyranid.

>>51486262
The Codex isn't physically written in code, iirc, but it never leaves the Fortress Monstery's Librarium, wherein it's tactics are used effectively to confuse opponents by having the chapter change their colors, orders, and tactics to both suit their needs and throw off their enemy before they can follow their movements, therefore rendering it uncrackable.

Which is why it bugs me that Farsight managed to crack it.

>>51486275
My little sister likes Ultramarines, so there!

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>>51486029
No bully please..
Just fiddling with some ideas for my guard army as I've recently gotten back into things, I believe I've followed the rules for the combined arms formation.
I've got the chimera for taking objectives and a blob of conscripts to soak up/dish out damage with orders. The commissar is attached to the conscripts for summary execution/giving them the leadership bonus.
Any thoughts? Would love feedback

>>51486152
>>51486195
This.

If you bring the suits down a bit and remove the combined overwatch you can have your bruisers. Specialize them more so you need to take other selections to round out your army. Tau should lose flexibility if they run a straight no-auxillary list.

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>>51486146

For one, their dark blue with lightning is legitimately interesting, and I had fun painting this dude.

Like all CSM, they're edgelords, but unlike all CSM, they don't try to hide it. They're like palpatine from the prequels, who was an evil bastard who loved being an evil bastard. The NL are just like "Fuck it, stick him on these spikes, but gimmie his skin first. I need a new robe. What? Nah don't kill him. It'll be hilarious." I don't have to pretend that I'm some noble fallen warrior because I get to be a legitimate Saturday morning cartoon villain. They're just fucking criminals that were turned into space Marines, and the emperor was just sort of cool with it.

Their old Batman motif is even better. The bat helmets are so over the top that its impossible to take seriously, and I plan on getting a set or two for chosen and/or champions.

Besides the over the top Edgeus Maximus, they have an interesting and different "style" of combat. Other space Marines, chaos or not, generally prefer to run in for the glory of combat, but the NL are cool just sneaking around and murdering you in your sleep. The best fight for them isn't a fight at all, which to me stands out more than the other legions. I wish that showed more in 40k like it does in 30k, where they get bonuses for running away, but also for out numbering you in combat. Stealth and fear is cool and thematic, but they still don't feel like NL.

>>51486296
[Citation Still Needed that all chapters do it exactly like that and no copies are made]

Also, no crumbled/crumbling chapter has ever had their Fortress Monastery looted?

>>51486262
It's not written in code persay, but it wouldn't be written in a way an Ork could comprehend, let alone read. Also the chances of an Ork getting one is stupidly low.
Which is why your idea is bad.
It would be better if he found a random old book, told the other Orks it "Waz dat 'umie thinga-ma-jig, codie war words" and just pretends to read it to "'iz Boyz" while copying what he has seen Space Marines do in past wars.

>>51486465

I feel like that's exactly what an Ork Warboss would do, actually.

>>51486458
No copies are made.
God, do some fucking research on the codex before you have your Orks use one, or stop shitting up /TG/ with the denial of your terrible idea. No, 5 minutes of googling isn't research.

I'm getting 350 for my tax refund. What should I waste my money one? Thinking Blood Bowl, a Bloodthirster, or start up an Iron Hands army.

>>51486484
Yeah I am pretty impressed I came up with it actually. Took that regard to inspire me. Makes me want to make that Ork army now...

>>51486500
BB is fun if you can get some buddies to play with and start a league.

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>>51486488
I'm not that guy though.

>>51486488
>the knowledge about writing has long been lost to the Imperium

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>>51486247
Another angle

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>>51486522
Collateral damage

>>51486401
>They're just fucking criminals that were turned into space Marines, and the emperor was just sort of cool with it.
Im glad someone thought this was a good idea.

>>51486029
There is a disturbance in the force OP. An Aeldari prophecy that Farsight has one of the five blades of Ynead. The worst of the five blades. He is prophesied to bring doom to the universe.

All we can hope is this is witch trickery and misinformation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idvB-58uKjE

>>51486488
Great citation, also not the anon who wants to do it. I've just never seen anything about the codex being a one per chapter permanently at home relic, but the last time I read through a SM codex was 4e, so I wanted to know where it was stated since you seemed so sure.

>>51486508

Only if you play them as Codex Marines, but as orky as possible like only taking things that Orks would have. Paint their armor blue, use UM tactics, use "looted" rhinos and shit, ect.

>>51486549
I can't remember the citation to be honest, but it was through that period where GW tried to convince us that the codex wasn't a shit idea (IE, Tau get a copy and then can guess the Marines every move forever)

Chapters go renegade or have their fortresses ransacked often enough that it's not impossible for an Ork warlord to get its hands on one.

>>51486488
>No, it's a game, which means you can't have fun with it!

How much are you guys going to hate me if I say I like and want to play Eldar?

>>51486600
>My Ork Warboss shoots planet destroying lasers with his eyes
>HURR DURR it's a good idea guys cos so much fun

>>51486601
A lot.
But then again, many a man questions his own sexuality at one point or another.

>>51486613
Good thing I'm not straight then.

>>51486622
That is the problem. You should be collecting Tau.

>>51486610
>What if there are Orks that try to mimic the Codex Astartes?
>NO THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN THE FLUFF FUCK OFF REEEEEEE

>>51486641
Kek.

Tau are too gay, even for me.

>>51486650
I literally had that idea and like it.
He said they are literally reading it, which does make me REEE

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>>51486664
>Literally

>>51486622
>Good thing I'm not straight then.
Why am I not surprised.
>>51486641
Burns like purifying fire. Kek
>>51486650
I imagine some insane hilarious hijinks. I mean it's a possibility, just cause it hasn't happened doesn't mean it can't. Say the warboss finds on a deserted planet the codex of a long disbanded chapter. The codex is damaged so he has to improvise
>RIGHT YOU GROTS, IT SES ERE THIS STEEL RAIN FING, YOU GOTTA... UHHH... YA GOTTA FIRE YA DAKKAS IN THE AIR UNTIL THE BULLETS FALL ON DA UMIES!! YEAH!!
>YUS DA SMARTEST BOSS! THAT'LL WORK!
>COURSE IT WILL YA GROT, THAT'S WHY IM DA BOSS ROUND HERE. NOW GET YA DAKKAS READY

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>>51486262
Orks are too slow to use the Codex Astartes
>I2

What originally got you into 40K? Was it the modelling and painting, the lore and artwork, or the actual game itself?

Also, what about 40K appeals to you or what is your favorite aspect of it? I'm just curious to see why everyone else is into the hobby.

>>51486690
>>RIGHT YOU GROTS, IT SES ERE THIS STEEL RAIN FING, YOU GOTTA... UHHH... YA GOTTA FIRE YA DAKKAS IN THE AIR UNTIL THE BULLETS FALL ON DA UMIES!! YEAH!!

>How The Orks Invented Artillery

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Is it possible to find instructions for building various models online?

I got ahold of some Imperial Guard vehicles that are off sprue and completely disassembled (long story) and I am not 100% sure how to assemble them.

>>51486542
Farsight's sword is clearly Necron tech.

>>51486735
>How The Orks Invented Artillery
Why can I picture this perfectly?
>UH BOSS THE STEEL RAIN FING INT WORKING
>COURSE IT WILL!! YOU JUST... UGH... NEED BIGGA DAKKAS!!!
>YEAH!! BIGGA DAKKAS!!

>>51486271
Vagina faces can't even fuck? Kek

>>51486750
Nice Centurion conversion

>>51486723
I remember reading through this mountain of rules, art, and lore around space hulk as a child and finding it fascinating. Later I got some second hand RT era marines and painted them with enamel paints. Then one day I bought the citadel starter paint set, and a space marine bike. It was then that I was truly damned.

Fifteen years later and I am still playing with plastic army men. Kind of sad, when you think about it. I took an eight year break in between to throw away my youth on some mmorpg.

>>51486297
Stop using this shitty builder if you cant read your fucking codex retard. This list is illegal.

>>51486778
Which one?

>>51486664
May I remind you that this is the same faction that features
>A Warboss time traveling back in time, killing himself so he could have two of his favorite guns
>A Big Mek attaching rockets to asteorids to "loot" an entire planet
>A different Big Mek creating a giant Shokk Attack Gun out of a Space Hulks
>A Snakebite tribe keeping Nids as livestock, then releasing them onto planets they invade to make invading them more fun

I don't think Orks finding and mimicing the Codex Astartes is entirely outlandish

>>51486792
Weeeew lad, salty much. You could lower those autism levels and kindly point out where it's illegal, or do you not have the required social skills?
I don't mind it if people say it's wrong/shit but have the common decency to point out where it's wrong, cause I clearly can't see it.

>>51486823
Well maybe if you read your fucking codex you wouldn't need to ask. It isn't autism to point out that if you want to use software to fast track your listbuilding you should have some experience with the codex and building lists beforehand.

You have to take at least two Infantry Squads per platoon.

>>51486823
>ME TOO DUMB TO READ CODEX
>ME BULLY AUTISTIC NERD TO WRITE MY LIST FOR ME

>>51486823
You're in the wrong place if you want to be cuddled. If you have problems reading ask your mom to help.

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>>51486723

I've been playing 40K for about a month and a half.

I've played a lot of the 40K videogames over the years but didn't get into the actual tabletop game until a short time ago when I decided to check prices on a whim. I had always heard that the hobby was extremely expensive, so I was just planning on doing some window shopping originally. I almost instantly bought a Start Collecting box, played a couple games at my FLGS, realized I was having a lot of fun, and am now up to about 1500 points worth of models.

Honestly I've been thinking of buying a gun for the past 5-6 months but there is a part of me that is afraid of what I might do if I have one so I've been looking for things to spend my spare income on so I wouldn't be able to afford one. First it was upgrading my PC, now it's Warhammer.

Posted in the other thread, but posting here, now. Need help with the edge lords.

I don't know what to build, guys. I have Deldar and Night Lords. Rules don't really matter because they both more or less suck. I haven't really done much with either at this point.

For Deldar, I have a pair of SC and some other shit like scourges and a venom. All I have assembled is most of a SC besides a few weapons and raider bits.

For the Night Lords, I was planning on making it 30k, but I can't afford the stupid FW shit needed. Anyway, I have both HH boxes, 2 drop pods, a box of raptors, and a box of normal CSM. All that's together is one dude, but he's painted at least.

I'm legit torn between them, and the worst part is that I'll probably never get to use either of them anyway because no one plays in my area. If I can't choose, I might just pack them up and be done with 40k.

>>51486819
Yes I accept this.
I don't accept a dumb fungus brute being the one to undo the codex Astartes by getting a copu, and using SM tactics word for word.

>>51486863
>ME TOO DUMB TO READ CODEX
>ME BULLY AUTISTIC NERD TO WRITE MY LIST FOR ME
Lets be fair, he was pretty autistic.
>>51486860
>You have to take at least two Infantry Squads per platoon.
There you go, oversight on my part, my bad. I'd made lists and such beforehand and just forgot to follow that rule this time. It comes with being a little bit retarded/newfag
>>51486888
But cuddles are nice anon.

>>51486819
>>A Snakebite tribe keeping Nids as livestock, then releasing them onto planets they invade to make invading them more fun
What? Where?

>>51486809
which else? world of warcraft

it was't my first mmorpg, but it was the first one to stick for more than a month or two at a time. Eventually I realized I wasn't having fun and just stopped. I've gone back to it a few times, but never for very long. I fell in love with Wildstar too, but it broke my heart with the game's population died out within three months of the subscription release, two months of the f2p release, and just one month of the steam release.

Some where along the way I got back into 40k somehow. I don't fully know how it happened, because I had wanted to play Scions initially, but I ended up with a Dark Vengeance box.

I still like Scions, but somehow I've ended up with just about everything else. Chaos Marines, Dark Angels, Inquisition, and recently a handful of Orks. I've also got a lot of my really old Ultramarines, Grey knights (the metal ones), and khorne bersekers (about 60 of them like holy crackers if I ever want to field some 1500 points of footslogging berserkers...)

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>>51486922
>When anon doesn't take the bait: the post

Anyone else feel that 40k would be a better game without HQ units?

Why do people say that Night Lords hate Chaos and don't use daemons when their leader is a Daemon Prince?

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>>51486928

>>51486948
>Leader
yeah im sure that works out fucking well for him and not a single NL has ever told him to piss off and did their own thing

>>51486948
They dont use demons, they get used by demons
They do hate chaos, they hated the Exalted

>>51486910
I would say you'll get more value for your time by making Night Lords, but if nobody players 40k near you there isn't a chance in hell you'll get any 30k games. Even so, I'd still say make them, since if you end up having to travel to play they are more resilient to the wear and tear of travel imho.

>>51486959
Lots of them didn't. Please read the fluff before posting this denial garbage.

>>51486936
I'm er.. Kinda curious as to where in God's clean earth that gif came from..

>>51486941
I would like them more if they primarily supported your army while (depending on said army) being a cut above random joes.

I'm not really a fan of the herohammer approach that 40k is sliding towards. I didn't care for it in FB and I don't want to see it now.

>>51486941

I like HQ units.

They represent the fundamental shift between warfare in modern times and warfare in 40K.

In modern times a person in command is in a base a hundred miles away watching some sort of satellite feed and communicating via radio. In 40K the person in command is right there on the front lines shoving their chainsword up some demon's ass.

>>51486979
https://youtu.be/aK_DHwH8Q-M
They have a lot of videos

>>51486941
>>51486980
HQs are fine. The problem HQs are deathstars like Smashfucker, but these days most competitive deathstars are a synergistic combo of an HQ and the elite assaulty unit of choice, so removing HQs would only gimp them, not remove them. The exception is, of course, Imperial superfriends, but that should be neutered in other ways than removing all the HQs.

Also Daemons players would never forgive you.

>>51486977
And more of them do. The NL trilogy really hammers it in that a lot of them hate the fuck out of chaos and while Krieg has a sizable warband, its nothing compared to the size of Night Lords who fucked off and did their own thing. Please read more than a 1d4chan page before posting this garbage.

>>51486980
I like the way heroes are balanced in AoS. They have a good hero ability, usually granting sweet support to your army, and they are clearly a cut above, but they are still just one model and easily swarmed, and the cost a fortune in points, as much as entire unit, sometimes two, of infantry

Granted, things like reserves are not allowed by default in AoS, so you need a hero that allows their use to use them.

Balancing HQs in the same way in 40k would be a lot of work. They would have to un-clusterfuck the psychic phase, for one.

>>51486723

Well I was always peripherally aware of it, and I had an interest, but I didn't want to get into it by myself. Then I came back from working in Asia and learned that my good friend had started playing while I was gone, and I took it as a sign that it was time to start. Haven't looked back since. Oddly enough I don't actually play with that guy much, but I've met a lot of new people through the hobby who I get along with pretty well and game with pretty regularly.

>>51486750
/r/warhammerinstructions or something like that

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>>51486932
Fuck. You sound too much like me. right down to the horde of Berzerkers. It hurts man, no offense of course.

At least there's me Maelstrom of Gore although I was actually thinking of selling my old Chaos shit recently...

>>51487028

They are going to. 8th ed is coming, and we are gonna see a massive overhaul of the rules when it hits this summer.

>>51487043
I've thought a lot about selling mine too, though most of it wouldn't be worth much

berserkers are garbage on the table top, and pro painted berserkers basically have no value at all

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>>51487037

Holy shit thank you.

>>51486915

> Orks trying to be spess mehreens

Made me think of pic related

Which one of you uploaded the 4e books to exhentai?

>>51487055
B-But it is summer at the moment?
>Amerifats forgetting there is a rest of World, and this isn't an Americunt only website

>>51487063
That is very clever

>>51487055
I don't think 8th ed is going to be as big an overhaul as people say. Don't get me wrong, if 8th was cross compatible with AoS that would be great fun and a smart business move, but too many people would sperg out if they "sigmarize" 40k

>>51487070

You do realize that half the world is in the middle of winter right now, not just America? Fucking shitheads from down under. Think they're relevant.

>>51487070
m8, put down the boomerang for a second

4chan has almost as many daily users as the continent of australia

>>51487004
>deathstars
That's the thing I would like to see gone with HQ's.

I would much rather they give a simple boost of some kind while being a hoss on there own (4th ed SM vanilla commanders) than dudes with crazy rules and even crazier wargear.

But I'm also of the mind that competitive play should be about tactics and synergy between units pitted against another's skills in the same field and not about abuse of one or two super units which is a fault of poor rules development.

>>51487092
Only Americans normally forget there is a rest of the world.
Maybe French too.

>>51487070
>Australia
>Relevant
>The Shire
>Relevant

>>51487085

I doubt it will be cross compatible, but I think it is going to be pretty similar, and certainly informed by it. They are gonna learn from Sigmar and improve on it in 40k. Simple as that.

>>51487112
>As the continent of Australia
So.. 1?

>>51486930
Wyrmkilla tribe.

>>51487115

You know I think you're compensating for something.

>>51487115
Name three relevant countries to 40k marketing that are not in the northern hemisphere.

>>51487134
are you to claim you are the only person living in australia? you do an awful lot of shitposting if that is true

>>51486972

Here's my catch up on the NL. Like I said, I had intended use them for 30k, or even a 30k list that can play against 40k. In general, 30k uses a lot more boots on the ground. What the hell am I supposed to do with 60 CSM, you know? NL to boot. Unlike their 30k, I don't get any bonuses for charging a bunch of dudes into combat.
Stealth is fucking sweet, but I'm going to need to invest in rhinos because stealth isn't enough. It's kind of a catch 22 there. I need rhinos because stealth isn't enough, but rhinos defeat having stealth in the first place.

On top of that, the Murder Talon let's me have raptors as core, but that doesn't help me when I have a bunch of dudes without packs. Likewise, having super NF for a turn only goes so far because I still need rhinos because my guys don't infiltrate or anything.

The reason I can't into 30k for them is because forgeworld prices, and for the life of me, I can't find a list that appeals to me. All the RoW are worse than 40k formations when it comes to bloat and spam.

I don't mean to complain and I probably sound like an autist, but I legitimately feel like I'm in a lose/lose situation when it comes to them, which in turn puts me off of building because idk what I'm going to be doing with them.

>>51487147
What does that even mean with what I said?
Are you so mad about being a baguette eating striped shirted faggot, that you just said a random insult about my penis which didn't work in that context?

>>51487122
maybe with an AoS second edition idk

if they were to do this, I think they right way would be to not acknowledge it at all in the lore in either game. If they were compatible, they should be two different IPs that happen to share similar rules.

>>51487150
K
Australia, New Zealand and Brazil

>>51487183

Wasn't there something about yearly rules updates or something for AoS?

>>51487182

I never said you were compensating for your penis. There are any numbers of inadequacies you could be compensating for. like being Australian

>>51487154
No, but there is only one continent of Australia you dumb Amerifat.

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>>51487085

Fantasy got the axe because it accounted for less than 20% of GW's revenue and falling.

40K is the moneymaker, I sincerely doubt they'll be making that level of changes to the ruleset for 8th edition. More likely we'll see some "streamlining" in various areas of the rules and cleaning up certain portions of the game (like the psychic phase) but throwing everything out and starting anew? Doubtful.

Modern GW is concentrating on

> 1.) Getting as many new players into the hobby as possible

This is evidenced by the huge amounts of starter kits they've been releasing, everything from the Start Collecting boxes to the Armored Assault kits to the standalone boxed games to the Battle for Vedros/Build+Paint line for 40K and the Easy to Build line for AoS

and

> 2.) Keeping longtime players interested

This is evidenced by the Gathering Storm event (some actual plot progression! Significant events in the 40K universe!) plus tons of new models like the Triumvirate.

Ramping all of this up over the course of a year just to turn everything on its head doesn't make any sense. While it's true that Warhammer Fantasy did end up being a sort of "testing ground" for new changes that would later come into effect in 40K nuking the entire ruleset and going with something as simplified as AoS (two pages of rules) doesn't seem remotely likely.

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>>51486723
>Be me
>Working stupid hard job, but get paid well
>co-worker is always reading these big hard cover books with sci-fi artwork on them
>Got curious one day and asked what the books were about
>Tells me that it's a rulebook for a game where you collect, build and paint armies of models, and the fight other people's armies of models
>lends me space marine codex and rule book to read
>discover amazing sci-fi universe, with great artwork, decent story telling and an awesome game to go along with it.
>Find local games workshop
>Buy necron codex because terminator is my favourite movie
>Been poor ever since

I really enjoy this hobby. I am so appreciative that someone took the time to show it to me.

>>51487063
Someone needs to do a writefaggotry about this.
>SO I SES TO 'IM YOOR NOTHIN BUT A LA-
>QUIET!!! DEYS COMIN'!!! GET TOGETHER BOYS!!!
>HEHE THEM HUMIES WILL NEVER FIGURE THIS OUT
>Seargent Valkerion stares at the abomination assembling itself before him. He notices one piece of this """""Rhino"""" is backwards.
>It hastily readjusts so that the words
>NOT ORK
>SPESSH MARUNES Is visible on the front
>Ughh.. Sir?
>A young Captain at his side,
>Yes Captain
>Should we blast 'em?
>No, hold off for a moment, they're making a retreat, follow them so we can find their main stronghold. They believe the illusion is holding, as I hear their Xeno chuckling within the """"Rhino""". Your orders are to follow and not engage
>Right you are sir.
>Seargent Valkerion almost dared a smile as he watched anoither piece trip over and hastily resemble.
>It was akin to slaughtering dumb beasts.He almost felt bad for the Xeno that would soon feel the emperors purging light
>Almost

>>51487214
It's pretty funny that GW still hasn't bothered trying to make a well-written, balanced ruleset in order to improve sales.

>>51487207
unsure. AoS is still pretty young, so we'll see if something happens later in the year

>>51487214
nobody is saying that the 40k setting is getting axed like the Old World did, more that the rules may (or may not) get a massive shakeup.

Given their lore though, I could almost see them moving into the 42nd millennium, but I doubt anything would change too much in the setting, and no way would they rename the game. It can't stay 40,999 forever.

>>51487242
in the past year GW's biggest sellers were actually paints and boxed games, at least according to the shareholder stuff they put out supplemented with data collected from polling retailers.

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thinking of painting a CSM with these colors. Too edgy?

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>>51486723
>Go to boarding school
>best bud tells me about stupid ass settings with 500 year lang sieges and vibrating force weapons
>ignore it for a while
>remember it few years later, start reading up, peaks my interrest
>lowkey become engrossed in the setting but never have anyone to talk to about it
>Fast forward to tech school
>LAN party weekend
>someone in my ring of friends ask randomly ''Hey any of ya like this 40k thing ?''
>Ohgodyes
>A night of nerdgasms and hype
>Next day of the LAN we all drive to nearby hobbyshop and spend about 150 usd each
>so excited about our armies
>quickly get shit assembled
>have fun playing the game without knowing a single rule, just know concepts likeoverwatch and deepstrike exists.

Still one of the better nights of my life.
I'm mostly in it for the painting now.

>>51487251

Well in a little more than a week I shall know for sure. Gw employee I know is getting brought in for play testing. Can't wait to hear what he has to say when he gets back.

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>>51487242

Honestly, outside of a few major glaring issues, the rules for 40K aren't that difficult to understand.

Yeah, ideally they would be written well enough that GW wouldn't have had to issue FAQs about them, but there's a 10 year old kid in my meta who does pretty well, so the rules aren't that complicated.

When you're trying to maintain balance between 20+ different factions while keeping them varied enough to not just be copies of each other you're bound to have a few issues and oversights, and I think it's to GW's credit that they've been able to keep 40K's shit together for as long as they have.

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>>51487303
>GW
>implying they actuall playtest anything
I bet your dad works at nintendo too

>>51487214

>> 2.) Keeping longtime players interested
>This is evidenced by the Gathering Storm event (some actual plot progression! Significant events in the 40K universe!) plus tons of new models like the Triumvirate.

Not going to lie, all these forced faction unions and retarded super snowflake characters are actually making LESS interested in the game. Even as a SoB player, the new Celestine makes me sick because the first plastic thing we got since the immolator is over powered bullshit. Now, my other army, Deldar, instead of getting an update to their models, is getting forced into playing with craftworld cheese.

>wyches will be playable xDD

Not in a Dark Eldar army they won't, and even then unless they get reworked completely, the only purpose they'll serve is dying so eldar guardians get buffed by the new super special characters.

>you don't know that!

Read the WD leaks.

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>>51487322
They've outright said they playtest shit before.
Whether their playtesting is varied enough to produce a good set of results is another question.

>>51487319
40k's core rules are confusing, bloated dogshit. Their FAQ is confusing, bloated dogshit.

Their balance is absolutely atrocious. They think 7e Orks and 7e Eldar are acceptable books in comparison to each other.

>>51487296

Looks alright. Pretty standard, all things considered. I like the blue detail glow, which adds some good contrast within the miniature and ties together the whole composition by highlighting the focal points, namely the eyes.

>>51486723
>Introduced to 40k by Dawn of War
>Read a shitload of lore on Lexicanum
>Friend has a coworker who is starting a 40k tabletop group
>Buy a few models and plan out an army
>Group falls apart before army is assembled
>Two years later, two old 40k players at flgs are getting back into 40k
That was about three months ago, been playing almost every Sat since

>>51487335

> Worried about OP characters

Honestly dude this is only a problem if you're a tournament player or if you have a shitty meta/only play pickup games with strangers.

If you have a group of people who self-police using cheese or who only bust out the deathstars when you've decided to play a cutthroat game than it's not an issue.

If you don't have this in your area than I feel bad for you, because it's pretty great. Having a bro tier LGS crowd or alternately a tightnit group of people who play Garagehammer is so much better than pickup games with randos that it's not even funny.

Honestly it's worth dedicated the garage space (if you have it) or driving to someone else's house just so you don't ever have to deal with cheaters or That Guy.

>>51487353
I for one would like to believe that at least some of their play testing is with people who go out of their way to find and break the stress points of the game (ie: bring a fully optimized netlist to a friendly casual game, enforce every rule to the letter)

>>51487358
The core rules themselves aren't that confusing. The biggest issue I've run into is when things conflict and GW doesn't bother to properly clarify them.

>>51486536
>Tau
>Not finished painting

Every time.

>>51487358

This.

There is no balance between codexes. Points are supposed to be the balance, but the wild difference between what codexes get for their points is fucking laughable. It's horrendous. Any Codex at any points level should be able to sit down against the same number of points without worrying about what the other person brought.

>>51487405
Eh, there's always going to be slight imbalances, like if someone brings a tank heavy list and you didn't bring very much anti-armor, though it should be a damn sight better than it is now where some units cost half of others while being better in every way.

>>51487428
>slight imbalance
consider:

fully optimized ork force

vs

whatever ultramarine CAD that was put together with more care than a 12 year old might have

>>51487405
>Any Codex at any points level should be able to sit down against the same number of points without worrying about what the other person brought.

Are you that dipshit who honest to god believes that an army of all lasgun guard troops should be able to take on an army of nothing but tanks, because 'everything should hurt everything' and who honestly believes the SvT chart is 'too complex'?

>>51487451
Try reading again.

I'm saying that there's always going to be slight imbalances. I fully recognize that there are also gross massive imbalances in the game as it currently exists.

>>51487370

What does that have to do with anything I just said, especially since I already said how disgusted I was with the first plastic non-rhino SoB ever received being a retarded OP character I can't even use.

GW is focussed on two things in 40k right now: Big Stupid Characters and Combined Factions. Neither of those things interest me as a player. Why should they?

>>51487203
>NZ
>Brazil
I said relevant to there marketing. Unless those countries comprise at least 10% of sales combined they are not relevant.

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What 40k faction has the ugliest aesthetics?

The Cleaved look ugly as hell but at the same time intriguing, I find myself wanting to make a warband despite the fact that I know they are ugly. Even the official GW rendition of these dudes is questionable. And the oozing mutation is kinda retarded

>WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK WHY DOES THIS SHIT KEEP POURING FROM OUR POWER ARMOR IT'S ALL OVER THE FLOOR OF THE BATTLE BARGE GOD DAMMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yet somehow I still like it.

>>51487481
>What 40k faction has the ugliest aesthetics?
Are we talking model wise or are we talking how they would look IRL?
Cause the battle sisters ones are pretty ugly imo, but to be far no updates for them for some time now the poor dears.

>>51487428

Of course there will be. I'm saying that if two players take an equal amount of points ready for all comers then they should be even.

>>51487462

What the shit are you on about?

Again, I'm saying the difference in power levels shouldn't be as fucking massive as it is.

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Certain armies are always going to be better than other armies when facing each other.

Shooty armies will kick the shit out of assault/melee armies that don't have any sort of deep striking ability or lackluster vehicles.

Horde armies will get the shit knocked out of them by mech heavy/template heavy armies.

Flyer heavy armies will stomp the shit out of armies with little or no solid AA options.

Orks are a little underwhelming on all fronts, sure, they could use a bit of a buff to be more competitive, sure, but to say that every army should have an equal chance against every other army is just dumb.

A major part of 40K (and any other wargame) is figuring out ways to maximize your advantage over your opponent while simultaneously trying to find ways to mitigate the advantage they have over you.

I have a feeling that 99% of the people who bitch and moan about how "broken" the rules are are either Ork players with a legitimate beef or people who got tabled by "that guy's" riptide list one time and are still salty about it.

>>51487503
>I'm saying that if two players take an equal amount of points ready for all comers then they should be even.

Fair enough. I can agree to that. My point is more that it would still be possible for people to gimp themselves or others by taking lists more heavily focused on a single thing.

Even that could potentially be mitigated, though I think the first big step is to fix the most glaring point gulfs

>>51487503
>Again, I'm saying the difference in power levels shouldn't be as fucking massive as it is.

This is acceptable, there was a dude a few threads back going on about how everything should be able to face everything that more or less wanted 40k to be chess.

>>51487504
Checks and balances can still be around, but it's more of a matter of similar units. One guy spamming Ork boys going against a marine player with nothing but tactical squads should be having a pretty even match overall. There's going to be more orks, but they're going to be roughly keeping even in terms of firepower and deaths.

What shouldn't happen is an Ork player taking two Stompas while an Eldar player gets four Wraithknights and destroys both Stompas with only two of the knights.

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>>51487037

> http://imgur.com/a/90Hrc

> How to build a Baneblade from scratch using plasticard

If someone brought this to a GW tournament I wonder if they could make a stink if they weren't allowed to use it considering the instructions were printed in White Dwarf.

>>51486723
Good friend of mine told me he was gonna try getting started and I gave it a shot. Found it a lot more friendlier than MTG. I used to think the Warhammer people were such dicks, but they were always willing to give me tips.

2 Years later I now have 5k of nids (mostly painted) and around 3.5k of Space Marines (mostly painted)

>>51487504
>to say that every army should have an equal chance against every other army is just dumb.
Every codex should have an equal chance against every other codex. Anything else leads to shitty games.

I have a feeling that 99% of the people that try to support GW's atrocious balance are shitposters just trying to feel superior about themselves.

>>51487504
>Certain armies are always going to be better than other armies when facing each other.
>Shooty armies will kick the shit out of assault/melee armies that don't have any sort of deep striking ability or lackluster vehicles.
>Horde armies will get the shit knocked out of them by mech heavy/template heavy armies.
>Flyer heavy armies will stomp the shit out of armies with little or no solid AA options.

A game of rock paper scissors is more or less fine. Hell, you could even do it like WMH where you have two lists, your and your opponent see both, and then pick which list you use.

>Orks are a little underwhelming on all fronts, sure, they could use a bit of a buff to be more competitive, sure, but to say that every army should have an equal chance against every other army is just dumb.

Why? If I build a balanced list, why shouldn't I be able to be able to play against another balanced list without worrying? If the game is actually balanced, then whomever played better should win, not the guy who took more overpowered units.

>A major part of 40K (and any other wargame) is figuring out ways to maximize your advantage over your opponent while simultaneously trying to find ways to mitigate the advantage they have over you.

And that's entirely possible in a balanced game. Each army should have strengths and weaknesses, but they should ultimately balance out.

>>51487527
>>51487529

Exactly. The game should never be at a state where taking as many of *THING* as possible is the best way to play. Ever.

>>51487542

I agree.

You guys don't seem to understand that certain codexes will be better against certain unit types. Some are better against assault type armies, some are better against shooting armies, some are better against mech heavy armies, etc.

Saying that all codexes should be exactly equal at the same point cost regardless of the focus of the codex itself is unrealistic and naive.

Rock and Paper do not have an equal chance of beating each other.

>>51487617
All armies should have ways of countering everything.

Armies shouldn't be rock paper scissors, units should be.

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We ever gonna get a new plastic warboss model? The metal one is....okay, but if my army is plastic I kinda want my HQ to be plastic too.

>>51487617

You're missing the point entirely.

Even if one Codex has a hard time against another, it shouldn't be an impossible battle. Point for point, they should still be on even footing.

>>51487637

Exactly.

That's why I honestly love how PP does their tournament lists. You make two lists of the same faction, share them, and pick your list based on what you see. Allies kind of fuck with this in 40k though, but allies were a mistake.

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Guys,

My brother is really sick at the moment, so I painted this Eldar for him, to cheer him up.

I've never painted Eldar before, so the colours are probably wrong, and I probably used the wrong techniques on the gem stones. But I think it looks ok for the most part.

Thought I'd share with you all, and get some feedback. This is the limit of my painting ability, so I don't think I can make it look any better.

>>51487697
It looks really nice my dude, Im sure your brother will be happy.

>>51487697

Looks totally fine. The only thing I can nitpick is the highlight on the bottom of the robe is a little sloppy. Still better than my shit, so good job.

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>>51487663

>allies were a mistake

Wrong. Allies are awesome. The only people I have talked to who genuinely think they are bad are people who play Tau/Necrons/Orks/Etc and are butthurt that they don't get as many allies as the Imperium does.

Speaking of allies, I wonder why the Gue'vesa don't have their own ruleset?

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>>51487322
>Implying he only has one dad

>>51487715
Now that I look at it, that highlighting does look bad. I'm fixing it now.

Thanks for pointing it out.

>>51487467
Are they making money and selling to those countries? Yes? They are relevant you retard.
Way to prove you know nothing about business.

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>>51487729

I play Deldar and Imperium.

Allies are pure fucking cancer.

C A N C E R
A
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C
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>>51487775
When GW has releases saying "this summer" it is irrelevant friend :^)

>>51487697
Can I have his stuff?

>>51486723
It happened back in 2002, when I was 12. I'd been collecting WHFB (Vampire Counts) for a bit, and got curious about 40K after reading and re-reading the White Dwarfs in mid-to-late 2002. Then the 3.5 edition CSM Codex came out, and the rest is history.

It was definitely a mixture of the modeling side, an the and lore and artwork. Always preferred it to the actual gaming side, although part of that might be because my attention span's too shit to get an army's worth of models assembled.

>>51487773

No prob. My highlights are trash, so that's where I check first for examples.

>>51487794
They are based in the UK. Fair enough.
This board is not. Therefore you are ignorant Amerifats or baguette riders.

>>51487659
i might consider starting some orks if i could figure out/get orks that don't have that weird 90 degree turn in their spines that forces their ass out like they're presenting.

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>>51487806
This is why I started and stopped collecting Orks.
I often think to myself "why did I stop collecting Orks, maybe I will again".
Then I remember the gorilla butts.

Having a small problem with tanks in my meta guys. I play Black templars and was wondering what my best options are for anti tank/MC?
Forgeworld is cool with me btw

>>51486763
>Boss! Boss! Da hoomies have bigger dakkas on their steel ren thingie
>WOOOUGHT?!?
>Yeh their dakka is explodey as zog!
>WELL GET TA WORK, MAKE OUR BOOLITS EXPLODEY TOO YA GIT!
>Oh yeh, youse is pretty kunnin' boss
>COURSE I AM! DAT'S WHY I'M BOSS! AND MAKE OURS SHOOT FASTA TOO!

>>51487851
Anti tank? Grav
Take some grav cents.
Which MCs are we talking?

>>51487873
Fuck I keep forgetting Grav Cents exist because I just pass the page and sigh "cheese" under my breath.

Damn shitposting ruining my army

Thanks dude I'll consider it

>>51487883
Yeah I don't take them either, but I would if my opponents spammed cheese back at me, or if it didn't wreck the game.

>>51487851
Honnestly, to deal with a MC like a riptide I ended with usually 3 option::

a) Ignoring it and focusing on other stuff
b)Trying to engage it at close quarter (most templar-ish approach I guess, but would not work in most on case)
c) Grav-gun. Centurion in droppod are expensive and may be seen as "non fluffy", but bike might do the trick.

For anti tank, you've got the standard 3-las predator or the vindicator if you like getting close. Also, don't forget that you can field mini devastator 5-initiates crusader squad with both plasma canon and launcher.

>>51487893
Yeah I think a double pred with a vindicator would be pretty nasty for target priority...

I'm torn up between winning and fluffing, help.

>>51487481
The biggest problem with The Cleaved is that they just look incomplete, IMO. There's no contrasting tones, just a handful of flat, samey colours disguised by corrosion effects, and a tiny bit of black. It's like one of those poorly thought-out amateur colour schemes that works better as an idea than on an actual model, only done with 'Eavy Metal-level technique. Even some steel armour trim would make them pop a little better.

Also, I have issues with the aesthetics of the CSM range in general. They're not ugly (as a general rule, anyway), they're just seriously inconsistent because GW never bothered to update a lot of the old 3rd edition sculpts. Next to the Dark Vengeance sculpts and new Thousand Sons, the standard CSM kit looks like loyalist SMs dressing up as CSMs for Halloween.

>>51487498
I actually quite like the Sisters' aesthetic, it's just that most of the models are too outdated to do it justice. And even then, they still look good for the time they came from, just not so much by today's standards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqFmt9XYeYo
You know, Ahriman 2.0 is a perfect allegory for projects on /tg/.

>>51487908
Depend against who you're playing.
I played a lot with a friend of mine at "low" point format (ie 1000-1500 pts) and we had a common agreement to limit ourselve concerning the cheesy stuff (no double Riptide on his side for example).

That's why I wasn't constantly using shit like grav cent in dropod, and accepted than most of time his riptide would be pretty unkillable.

Except this glorious time when he get to cocky and where I had it taste the Power Hammer of my senechal.

>>51487805
4chan servers are in the US. 70% of the posting here is Amerifats. Sorry bud 4chan is an American website. You just have an Internet green card here. :^)

>>51487948
That being said, I would hate to play this game in non "frendly & cheese limited" context. The game was fun while talking with a beer, I don't imagine having to pay attention to all the broken fieldable formation that my opponent could throw at me while doing my list.

That's why as I know nodoby in my new place I may end never playing again, even If I got the time and motivation to buy and paint a new army from scratch

So people talk shit about TS being grbage, but I recently played 750 points of Tau vs TS, and they were actually quite decent.

My Army:
Commaner with iridium, stimm and 2xCIB
3xCrisis with 2xCIB, Shas'Vre, knives, 6x gun drones
3xCrisis with 2xPlasma, Shas'Vre, knives, 6x gun drones
Tettra with DP and spines
Two sepatate Pirahnas with Fusion

His army:
2xSorcs of Tzeentch with ML3 and familars, one sword, one staff, staff one with a jump pack artifact
Bare bones Rubric squad
Scarab Occult wth AP3 Flamer
Everything rolls for Tzeentch

He managed to wreck plasma crisis team in one turn - half through his own witchfires, half through mindconttrolling CIB team, reduced one Pirahna to 1 HP, blew up the second, killed all drones, including Pirahna ones I detached on turn 2, and also summoned two spawns with devolution spell and one when his warlord (already on his last wound) rolled badly on boons.

Markerlighted CIB squad was just too much dakka even with 2+/3++, though, and Pirahnas while not exactly dangerous (they kept jinking from his witchfires and didn't land a single hit for a whiole game) did provide a distraction for lone enough. His last model (warlord-spawn, hilariously) died at turn 4 in close combat with a commander and last two remaining CIB-crisises. Still, it was a close game and a fun one.

>>51487883

Grav cents podding my shit was my first experience with 40k since 5th edition, and I was ready to never play again.

>play Sisters
>LGS closed in tail end of 5th
>years pass without a game
>new LGS opens
>eventually bump into a 40k player
>set up game
>oh boy!
>he brings two friends
>do 1000 (each) point team battle
>get paired with IG against Tau and Marines
>no Riptides
>decide to have fun and take blob of 20 sisters
>T1 grav cents arrive in a pod behind my exorcists
>wtf are those
>T5 2+ 2 wounds
>oh...
>explains grav
>o-oh
>first exorcist is gone from 2 6s
>second is stunned by Tau
>seraphim annihilated by Tau
>second drop pod annihilates Chimera
>our first turn
>pop faith on blob
>38 bolter and 3 HB shots
>one wound
>ig moves up
>second turn
>cents wipe out 15/20 sisters
>tau destroys my troop immolator
>other Marine unit stuns Chimera
>we have like 1/3rd of our models left
>they still have reserves and no casualties
>call the game after 2 turns

I don't even know why I decided to keep playing.

>>51487806
it's nice tho, bet this was the inspiration for 'squad broken'

>>51487806
Get some backpacks. I think they look pretty good when they have backpacks.

Or just make your entire force flash gitz, (mega)nobs and gretchin.

>>51487948
>>51487980
Alright I might just spam a couple vindicators and a pred because at least thats fluffy if nothing else.

Sorry about having such dicks in your meta

>>51487991
No points cost?

I like that they are doing some terrain which isn't just imperial ruins, but fucking hell, those are bad sculpts.

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>>51486029
Believe in the Greater Good that believes in you!

Still wip and not totally happy with the pose :c

>>51487504
>Orks are a little underwhelming on all fronts

To be fair they have insane good anti air, but they need a bit of love atm.

>>51488015
There weren't any points cost, but maybe there will be in the box.

>>51488021
yeah the pose kinda sucks, but those giant feet are what sucks the most

seriously you gotta turn those giant toes into properly-sized hooves I don't care how

>>51488021
I approve of the greater good, but... is that toilet paper you put in the background?

>>51488033
Probably just cutting them off and using normie xv8 feet I think, it doesn't look so bad looking down on it, but the angle is a bit off. What do I change? Its a bit difficult to do an exaggerated anime pose with limited articulation.

>>51488037
Paper towel, closest thing I had for an easy bright backdrop.

>>51487180

Any help here, or am I just autistic?

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What're you guys working on?

You do paint your models, right?

>>51488055
Ah that explains that I guess. That or you have gigantic toilet paper since I don't think it could work as a good backdrop for how tall the commander is.

>>51487504

Some armies have more viable units or playstyles.

That said I think some people make better lists than others

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>>51488021

>>51488066
Rubric Marines, in Crimson Sons/pre-Heresy colours. Not worth posting pics, since I'm still laying down the first basecoats.

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>>51488066
almost at tabletop standard with my 2500 world eaters list for 30k.
gonna start basing them with astrogranite debris tomorrow and SHOULD be ready for a game by this weekend. I haven't played in two months :'(

>>51487404
>Implying that isn't the finished paintjob

>>51487997
I think bike with grav (don't remember in which flavor they come exactly) may also solve your problem by providing a good middle ground between fluff and something that is efficient.

>>51488066
PETA doesnt disapprove of this.

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So in Fracture of Cadia the Eldar realise that Ynnead is not enough to save the galaxy. So they planned to ally themselves with one of the races of the galaxy to save everything from Chaos. As they discussed things they proposed several races. Humans, Orks, Tyranids, and....Tau.

While the Tau were dismissed because they were too young, how can you guys justify the Tau being a considered candidate to t he galactic savior partnership with the Eldar?

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>>51488085

>All that FW
>tfw you can't justify FW prices
>too autistic for china

It's a special kind of shitty feel.

>>51488097

those aren't animal skins

>>51488115
Fracture of Beil-Tan*
Cadia is still on my mind wew

>>51488126
Thats the joke. Dead baby skins are fine but just dont touch my Fenrisian Wolves.

There are no wolves on Fenris.

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>>51488126
>Mon'Keigh aren't animals

>>51488126
He said doesn't disapprove, Anon. Means they do approve.

>>51488115
>Tyranids
What did they planned, moving the Astronomican in the middle of the Eye ?

>>51487481
>>51487909
You'd think GW of all would know how shitty white backdrops are.

Anyone else come here just to read all the orky greentexts?

>>51487659
GW needs to get the damn AOBR Ork plastics in individual boxes.

>>51488064

Read briefly.

Why 30k models?

>>51488115

Just no.

Because the point of that blurb was to point to the fact the Eldar are alone in their condition and that they will continue to fight Chaos as they are still having to fend off losing their souls.

>>51488115

Tau went from banging rocks together to building railguns and starships over the course of like 5,000 years, which is pretty impressive.

That said, when there are races in the galaxy that have tanks that are older than your entire race I think it's safe to say you're too young to bear the responsibility of saving an entire universe from Chaos.

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>>51488076

>>51488115
They dismissed the Tau first thing for being "too young" I blame it on their inherent hippy factor and dainty elvish ways.

Or perhaps this is a hint the Tau are being set up as one of the grand alliances to conquer the IoM?

>>51488151
>Just no.

Just yes. The text says the Eldar desperately need an ally. They settled on the humans for now.

What is odd is that they didn't even mention the Necrons as a possible ally. They discussed the Tyranids as a candidate for god's sake.

>>51488066
Trying to get a job before I lose my home.

>>51488066
Is that archons mask stock? The website shows him with a bare head.

any peaceful factions who just fly around the universe going on adventures

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>>51488150

They sorta do, but in new kits.

Look for the "Battle for Vedros" and "Build+Paint" lines. You can't order them from GW directly, they are a separate line designed to be sold in toy stores and hobby shops that don't carry GW stuff normally.

You can order them from online retailers like the war store and that one european store everyone loves though.

>>51488174
This all but confirms Tau and Necrons will be allies going on a big conquest of the IoM. Good. I prefer my Tau as the good guys and he Necron aren't so bad themselves these days barring the few insane cults. Trazyn certainly seems to be in the save the universe camp.

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So what do you guys think of Ynnead?

Saviour of the Eldar? Slaaneshi puppet? Uncaring God of Death that just wants to eat souls?

>>51488192
>that one european store everyone loves
Triple helix?

>>51488208

Marketing ploy to get craftworlders to buy wyches for their super totally cool new faction.

>>51488190

Rogue Traders I guess?

The thing about 40K is that everyone is a dick. There are no "good guys".

Except the Orks.

>>51488216
I clearly mean fluff-wise, you cynical twat.

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>>51488208
There is one savior and I am pretty sure he doesn't float like that.

>>51488208

WD says that Ynnead is the brother of Slaanesh and that's why his Avatar looks like. Both are created by the death of the eldar and both need the eldar souls to use their power

>>51488217
every faction is just trying to be tougher than the other

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>>51488178
>Not living in your parents basement

>>51488216
And I'm one of them.

>>51488253
Seeing as the ones that do keep posting "Dad found my furry folder, mom threw out my bit box, crack addled brother cold my collection" homelessness beats that, at least my army's small enough to fit in a shopping cart.

>>51488151
>Read briefly.
>Why 30k models?

What do you mean? I bought the HH boxes hoping to get into HH, but I didn't realize that even with two plastic sets, it's impossible without buying expensive FW shit that I can't justify buying. On top of that, I can't settle on a HH list I like, and I've given up asking /hhg/ for help because they don't want to help.

Now, I'm stuck with all these dudes, and I don't know what to do with them.

>>51488115
Fuck Tau are gay

>>51488273

I swear I must be autistic. How the hell are people ok with shit like this? I legitimately don't understand.

>>51488231
Why is that Wraithguard being all snipery and shit? Thats a flamer you are holding there buddy.

God cant they shove old dead Pathfinders into Wraithlord heavy weapons instead of shock troops.

>>51488298
I don't understand what your problem is. What is it that they're doing that isn't okay?

>>51488298
Well I for one have just always wanted tax-free Incubi and open topped transports my Biel-tan.

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>>51488283

I am imagining a couple of smellyass hobos trying to play a Killteam game at the park downtown on top of one of the tables people normally use for chess and I am cracking the fuck up over here

Anyone have the pdfs for the ultramarine, space wolves and grey knight codexs?

Help a poor fag out

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The life of a guardsman...

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Getting into tabletop for the first time, I just now realized i'm terrible at making choices like this.

>Really like daemonic Chaos aesthetic
>Really like Skitarii/Cult mech cyberpunk look
>Really like Dark eldar sharp/predatory design
>Really like the look of Ork Walkers(Particularly the deff dread)
>Really like the sneaky ambush style of Genestealer Cult.

Fuck, I might just assign each a number on a D6 and let the dice decide my first army to build.

>>51488307

Instead of fixing factions, they're just forcing bad shit with good shit and ignoring their problems.

Then you get fuckers like >>51488312

It's the same problem with allies.

>>51488335
Hey buddy atleast you have military grade assault rifle.

Blunderbuss las-weapons do exist.

>>51488286
I'm sitting on a couple of Calth sets until the Prospero book comes out, but I'm been growing steadily more disillusioned with getting into 30k. It seems like it will still take a ton of expensive resin to get any real army going, and baseline MEQ's look just as mediocre rules-wise as they are in 40k.

>>51488354
Oh. Well I assume they don't want to put out new codexes before 8th.

And the new rules are supposed to buff Wyches and Incubi and stuff, so they are trying to do something.

Rolled 4 (1d6)

>>51488344

>>51488180
It's an Incubus head.

>>51488344
>>51488366

There, I rolled for you.

Looks like you're playing Orks, fag

>>51488366
He got double 4, you rolled a 4 and got double 6.

It's a sign.

>>51488344
Dark Mechanicus using Skitarii rules.
>spiky chaos daemonic machinery
>some ramshackle experiments
>LOTS of Strogg cyber-fuckery
>a bunch of bullshit holographic camo and sorcery and ambush tactics

>>51488326
No ultramarine codex.

>>51488344
what ever you choose don't go crazy and buy 5 units just buy the one

>>51488379
Yeah I know, theres no way I could build 5 usable armies in a short time frame.

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Life of anyone who tries to be inventive in the Imperium of man.

>>51486029
>The new triunvarite is for the tau, bow to your new overlords edition.

What have I missed?

>>51488344
>>51488366
Im so sorry

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>>51488344
>>51488366
>>51488374

> It's a sign

ORKS CONFIRMED TO BE A TIER 1 ARMY IN 8TH ED

>>51488398
Nothing, they're shitposting.

All we know is the third book is going to have a "Golden Hope".

>>51488364
Army HQ's are what add a lot of flavor to your base guys. Also they are more viable in 30k as anti-MEQ ranged fire is a lot less common. Also 20 man marine blobs.

Any word on the cost of the new eldar models?

>>51488375
>Goto local gameshop with custom Darkmech army.
>SM and IG players look at you like a retard.
>Ask someone to play against you.
>"You cant just make up your own shit anon, just play a real army."

>>51488216
And to sell yet another centrepiece model, with yet another overdone swirly vortex to drive the sprue size, and therefore the cost, up.

>>51488400
Are Orks really THAT fucked right now?

>>51488412
what did you say to them

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>>51488420
Yep

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>>51488412

>>51488365

>buff wyches and Incubi

Did you read the WD leak? They're doing nothing of the sort. They're taking units that aren't selling, putting them into a single faction, and giving them buffs when a unit dies. Wyches are still shit, which means their only purpose is to die so the craftworld units get buffed.

If they do get new rules, how does that help someone who plays Dark Eldar and doesn't want to have to buy craftworld models? It doesn't.

The whole thing just fucking irks me.

>>51488378
Right, dont ultramarines follow the basic space marine codex?

>>51488420
Oh yeah.

>>51488431
Yeah, I mean they get buffed if things die near them.

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>>51488427

They have the best vehicles if you are any good at custom modeling though.

>reading about the Eldar shit
>one of the Triumvirate is literally a guy who couldn't get his dick wet so became a creepy stalker
>more background on their God shit which is cool
>Beil-Tan gets blown up because FUCK YOU nobody likes you
>Yriel dies LOL but no he doesn't because DEUS EX MACHINA GOD OF THE DEAD POWERS
>Eldrad is called on for being a meddling dick
>Jain Zar, who we all known is a major lesbo, supports the slutty High Priestess bitch
>High Priestess bitch's dress is NOT a clip on for some reason. Meaning you can't have her just in her catsuit, despite the fucking fluff stating she removes her dress before entering combat. If fucking people like Kingdom Death can make clipon armour, why the fuck can't GW? I hope it's optional, I want her in combat mode if I get her
>Oh and the Eldar do die it seems, eventually, but get reborn. Yes, they go back to their totally always been there old names, Aeldari and Draukari.
>Ynnraties or whatever their name is is now a 6th faction in Eldar society (Craftworld, Commorraghite, Corsair, Exodite, Harelquin)

Exodites NEVER EVER.

>>51488425
Its a hypothetical scenario.
Most wargamers I know are real cunts when it comes to homebrew rules and shit. "If GW didnt make a codex for the army then they don't want you playing it"

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>>51488405
Calling reassembled Mephet'ran, and Necron-Imperal battle brothers.

Also, Pariahs plz, geedubs.

>>51488437

>Yeah, I mean they get buffed if things die near them.

Because wyches are capable of anything but dying?

>>51488444
That's a new one. I've seen Tau, Dorn, Emprah himself, but not that.

>>51488432
Ultramarines follow the SM Codex, and then all the other Codex Chapters follow them, according to the Spiritual Liege.

>>51488427
Any specific reason?

>>51488405
Oh right yeah, i've already read the WD. The Eldar consider the Tau too young to change the fate of the galaxy as well.

Tau kinda make sense. My guess is they'll invent something to clear the Damocles gulf. OR, Farsight fuggs Shadowsun (since they're based on animu characters that do just that, I say they will) and he convinces her to fight Chaos instead of follow Orders.

They'll discover something to create some one off super weapons or something daft.

>>51488432

Ultramarines (in universe) follow the Space Marine codex to the letter, while other chapters have varying degrees of compliance to it. If you buy "Codex: Space Marines" you're basically getting the Ultramarine codex.

Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Gray Knights, and Deathwatch all have their own physical codexes though.

>>51488444
>tfw I remember 'Crons and Bangles teaming up was the worst thing
>things are so much worse now

>>51488443
I'd be down with playing provided I knew what was going on before hand.

Just showing up with homebrew looking to play is a no-sell for virtually any kind of gaming.

>>51488441
>Beil-Tan gets blown up because FUCK YOU nobody likes you

Biel-Tan gets seperated out into a fleet, that's all.

And it's Aeldari, Drukhari and Ynnari.

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>>51488431
Did you read the actual WD? I have. That's completely wrong. I have it right next to me. The new rules give the ability for any unit which is a Ynnarite or whatever the new faction is called, to call upon Spirit Stones as a form of buff. The three special characters get bonuses to this.

So it's any unit you run as the Ynnarite or whatever faction gets the buff. So if you put Wyches or Incubi in, they get the buff.

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Are the folk from Krieg blonde?

>>51488471
Well the WD said the craftworld gets turned into splinters. So sounds like instead of a single craftworld, it's several giant spaceships instead. Which can grow as needed anyway cause that's how Craftworlds work.

As for the names of the new shit, yeah that's then. I forgot them. The lack of Exodites in that list upsets me. I want my Dinosaurs.

>>51488465
> Black templars
> Less important than Deathwatch now
Feels
Bad
Man

>>51488409
Everything that I've been reading in seeing in game is that the basic Tactical Marine is shit and that the Mechanicum and Imperial Cults armies shit all over anything that isn't a Primarch Deathstar build.

>>51488467
At which point of these ramschackle alliance faggotry will our universe become NobleDark ?

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>>51488066
My Imperial Guard kinda, I guess, I just finished these yesterdie.
Can't wait to go pick up something new tomorrow.

>>51488472
What do the Spirit Stones do?

>>51488482
Both of those people are displaying way too much emotion.

>>51488496
Captain Crunch for Slaanesh

>>51488472

Yea. I read it. You should read it again. You get the buff for things dying. Wyches are only good at dying. Are you going to send in your units that are actually good so they can die just to buff that are only good at dying, or are you going to let's the shitty units die first so your good units gets better?

Better yet, why are you taking wyches at all? Why not take more good units that actually get better, especially when they're cheaper?

>>51488484
Should have bought more BT, then. Blood Angels only get this much love because their 5th edition update was (and still is I believe) GW's best ever seller. So that's why BA get their own unique tactical marine boxes and shit now instead of having to buy basic and then buy upgrade sprues. Now you get both in one box, cause that's how well they sell.

Shame GW have made BA so shit on the tabletop outside of certain rules.

I hope BT get an update though, I just like their shit. They did get some formations in Fall of Cadia.

>>51488490
When they stop shooting each other in the back after the danger has passed.

>>51488484

Deathwatch is the new hot shit, they even have their own Star Collecting box.

Black Templars are bros and are always down to wreck shit for the Emperor but with all of the blind devotion and constant crusading they're kinda like the autistic little brother to the rest of the Space Marines.

>>51488493

Looks pretty good.

Base those models and you'll be in business.

>>51488496
In general they old the souls of dead Eldar. The buff mechanic basically uses their souls before (or even after) they enter the stones.

>>51488506
Yes? But it doesn't state the unit has to die to get the buff, only that things HAVE to die in order to get the currency to use the buff. If, say, Guardians die, you then can buff your Wyches or Incubi.

I understand the problem, but the Wyches and Incubi can at least be taken and buffed. So you're not completely screwed if you take them.

But, since Eldar are probably all being killed off anyway, you're gonna get new rules eventually.

>>51488509
We don't know yet how they will be involved, by trying to have the Tau getting a major contribution while they're a medium power (at best) on the galactic size located on the other side of said galaxy look pretty stupid.

Why couldn't GW just decide to keep the "two minutes before midnight" setting and explore the millenium between M32 and M41 ?

I mean, we don't have any information on Nova Terra Interegnum for example.

My friend has an eldar, jetbike-heavy list and i play BT. How would i deal with his bikes? Grav centurions or just melta spam?

>reading White Dwarf
>Oh blahblahblah there is rules for blahblahblah including special rules for
>Ultwé Black Guardians

Y E S
E
S

+1WS/+1BS BUFFS AGAIN (I HOPE). WOO WOO. BS5 GUARDIANS WOO WOO.

What happened to the Mega links? I'm assuming some asshole finked on us and it got pulled?

Where is the best place to find codex supplements? I'm looking for Angels of Death and Death from Above.

>>51488518
I'll probably finish painting all of my stuff before basing them, since I'm gonna make a mix of dirt, pigments and sand to make a coloured paste to apply and I want it to be somewhat consistent.

>>51488541
>+1WS/+1BS BUFFS AGAIN (I HOPE). WOO WOO. BS5 GUARDIANS WOO WOO.
Expect just to get no LD penalty vs slaanesh.

>>51488541
Dream on, no way they are going to give out BS5 on basic guys. Expect some other bonuses.

>>51488541
I predict them getting 4+ armor and becoming wannabe avengers, personally.

>>51488482
Probably not. Vast majority of their lives is in those masks so they probably don't even have much hair at all.

>>51488511
You mean the awesome little brother.

BT are the only confirmed chapter that does actual marine stuff you know, crusading and conquering worlds in the name of the Emperor.