MTG Modern General

>>51436894
Valakut. I control the game with lightning bolt and anger of the gods then use repeated valakut triggers to control the board until my opponent is simply out of threats and I can start burning face.

>>51436894
I play tron and I hate zoolock

Martyr Proc
Tron, though it plays more to the combo side when against martyr proc
Esper maybe

>>51437200
>zoolock
back to hearthstone with you

What deck is more enjoyable to play? Titan Shift or Tron? Is titan shift just a flavor of the month deck, or does it have longevity? Is tron likely to face a ban?

>>51437293
I can't speak to tron, but I have played titanshift since before twin was banned. The main thing that's fun about it is past turn 4 all of your topdecks can kill your opponent. Not get you an insurmountable advantage like tron, you just straight up kill them. Even if your opponent counters every single one of your spells, you will eventually kill your opponent through natural valakut triggers, which happens way more often than you think. It has a suprising amount of play in terms of sequencing ramp spells correctly and knowing when to use your khalni heart expeditions as removal and things like that. Tron kind of plays the same in every matchup I think, you don't really have to make many decisions other than "should I plus or minus karn?".

>>51436894
>What control deck do you play?
Esper

>What control deck do you hate?
If you consider Tron control, then Tron

>What control deck is going to be the best after the meta shakes out?
Hopefully Esper, but really I have no idea
Most likely all of them will be tier 2-3 still

>>51436894
>>What control deck do you play?
I haven't thrown in with Tron much in the last year, but did try GB Tron a few weeks ago. Also, I dug UWR last Spring.

>>What control deck do you hate?
Skred blows. I tried that piece of shit and got wrecked by a shitty brew at FNM.

>>What control deck is going to be the best after the meta shakes out?
Hell if I know.

>>51437526
>I picked up a deck and didn't instantly win! Waaah

>>51437526
Maybe you just stuck ass?

>>51436894
>>What control deck do you play?
Tron was the first deck I played when I started modern. Gave up when TC got printed, and built Abzan, which became Jund when K command was printed. Never looked back
>>What control deck do you hate?
Tron. Goddamn, I hate it.
>>What control deck is going to be the best after the meta shakes out?
Probably Grixis.

>>51437526
>tron baby can't play skred
Like pottery

>>51436894
>What control deck do you play?
Affinity with 4 Chalices and Dredge with 3 Brutalities.
>What control deck do you hate?
I don't hate control, but if I had to choose the one I dislike the most would be Tron. Tried it, should it after a week (I tried and sold many decks)
>What control deck is going to be the best after the meta shakes out?
Probably Grixis, Skred (or Tron)

>>51437883
Sold it after a week*

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I started making an Eldrazi tron deck because I thought Eldrazi were cool. Why the hate for Tron? The deck isn't that fast, although my version probably isn't the most competitive.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/shogg-tron/
Doing a local tournament next weekend, anything I should change drastically to have a shot at winning /tg/. Im missing one Chalice of the void but otherwise I have the cards

>>51437897
>Why the hate for Tron?
It's just got the heaviest 1 sided match ups of any deck. If you're faster you win, if you're slower you lose. But since there's no good land hate in modern, if you are slower there's little you can do to improve your match up.
Normal tron at least is like that. I assume turning on main deck removal lessens this effect for eldrazitron.

>>51437924
It's Infect and Affinity that feel broken to me, but Ive only been playing pseudo competitive for about a year.

7 mana turn 3 is good but it still gets outsped by burn and infect all the time. What exactly is the secret to broken tron?

>>51438047
That's the point. You lose if you're slower and win if you're faster. This is why there's a metagame.

>>51438047
Like I said, decks that are faster have no problems. Anything slower has really bad match up, and you can't adjust your deck to be better against tron like you can with most other decks. Removal, counters, hand disruption, none of these things will win against tron unless you can produce a fast clock. And most decks are built in such a way that they can't significantly increase their clock without hurting the core of the deck.

>>51438047
Decks that player lower CMC's and more instant speed cards like Grixis and Jund have much more manageable match ups against those decks. Against Tron, though, those decks I mentioned struggle.

>>51437897
You're in monobrown, which is the same "problem" I have in my casual deck. You could speed it up with green (and ramp with things like Sylvan Scrying), but then it wouldn't be a colorless deck, right?

That's where most of the hate comes from, I think. You can fix your lands pretty quickly in the right colors and just start dropping hilarious threats and shitty things like Karn and Ugin

>>51437897
>>51438703
Come to think of it, your deck looks an awful lot like mine does now. If you're looking for critiques, I would keep more All is Dust in the mainboard, because it almost never hurts you and find something to swap for Kozi (Maybe ROE Kozi?) since his ability is dependent on equal CMC, which in your deck is /way high/; You might get value out of it sometimes, but more often than not you won't do anything with it.
Hope that helps, feel free to ignore

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>>51436894
>>What control deck do you play?
uw tenuous soft-locks with small creatures control
>>What control deck do you hate?
mono-blue aether vial control with the spreading seas package

>>What control deck is going to be the best after the meta shakes out?
it's probably going to be uw tenuous soft-locks with small creatures control due to how hard it shits on angel's grace control, valakut titan control and karn tribal control.

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>>51438940
>angel's grace control, valakut titan control and karn tribal control

>>51438761
Yeah I kept him for the hand refill but I think a second Ulamog Ceaseless hunger would be way better for the 10 mana. and I totally agree with All is Dust that thing is a huge fuck you, I love it.

What do you think of warping Wail im considering sideboarding but not sure what to sub in, I need some artifact hate but theres so little in colourless.

>>51438703
you're right on how restricted you are in colourles, I didnt realise until an ensnaring bridge slapped my shit

>>51439064
I run Warping Wail as a 4-of in the mainboard, but that's because my meta (like three friends at most) is so heavy on small critters and sorcery speed removal, like Wrath effects or similar. If nothing else it's an extra mana if you need it early game. Definitely a target dropping into the sideboard for the second match. If you're looking for replacements, I'm kind of at a loss for you. Defense grid is great for control matchups, but I don't know how prominent that is in your meta. Dolmen Gate, Distorting Lens (you could combo this with AiD and blow up lands / artifacts, below), Rachet Bomb (slow, but you could use it to blow up more troublesome artifacts).

As for more artifact interaction, I see Bane of Bala Ged in your board. Good choice if you can stick him.
Karn is a strong pick and he's already in your board
If you really wanted to be a dick about it, you could run Culling Scales (as long as your target is CMC 3 or less; Ensnaring Bridge is). This would be an extra funny pick because all your permanents are (for the most part) high drops so much like AiD, it's just going to help you.

If you're really desperate for removal, you could shoot for Universal Solvent or Scour from Existence. Expensive, but if Tron is online then they're both whatever.

They're all pretty tough calls and situational, sorry. Wish I could be more help

>>51436894

>>What control deck do you play?
Does fish count? I am debating going to 8 seas if it helps.

>>What control deck do you hate?
I'm fish.

>>What control deck is going to be the best after the meta shakes out?
I play fish.

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>>51439484
>mono-blue aether vial control with the spreading seas package

>>51439493

I need to get Chalices, and I'm kicking myself because I failed to get them before they spiked. However, that's more for Legacy. Iirc, all I need now for Legacy is Wasteland, Chalice, and a Flusterstorm. Still, chalice is nice in the board when I got Vials.

>>51438940
You've probably been asked this every Modern thread, but can we see a list?

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>>51439546
current iteration of the paper list i play. copter count has been variable but the card is strong in this deck.

>>51439580
How often is true believer useful?

>>51439588
comes in against adnauseam.

coupled with selfless spirit and aether vial it makes it really, really hard for the other guy to kill you with the lightning storm plan.

>>51439662
Oh I didn't think about selfless spirit, thought bouncing it was your only option.

>>51439662
They'll just lab man you.

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>>51439513
Chalice of the Void is such a good card its a shame it got reprinted even rarer, I was the same, got two when they were around $12 thinking they were expensive then. Its my favorite counter to burn heavy deck that run the usual array of about 20 1 mana cards, or getting two and preventing all of an opponent destroy artifact cards. It's even more glorious when you get the ensnaring bridge out with it.

Also Mill gets a lot of hate but I think after a long streak of losses trying to make an infinite mill combo work, I've changed to straight aggressive strats with good results and I think I've finally got it as close to perfect as I can efficiency wise.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cranial-flush/

Im the only person playing mill at my local store and no-one has counters besides the occasional Aeons Torn. Does mill deserve the bad rep? It's got some good and bad matchups but it seems like a couple of new mill cards away from being competitive.

>>51439750
>got chalice'd on 0, 1 and 2 all at once today
literally couldn't play a single card in my deck

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>>51439756
>playing a game against infect
>he locks me out of 1 mana cost spells which he quickly realises is most of my deck
>drop the naturalize, he uses proliferate to add an extra counter
>he drops the second chalice
mfw

>>51439721
>They'll just lab man you.
i have like eleven and a half outs to lab man in my mainboard, the half out being flickering a relevant creature with displacer to nab the lab. i mean yeah it MIGHT get me, but it hasn't yet.
to be perfectly honest with you the fuckin' shroud guys rarely even make it to the field because the adnauseam players almost always lose when i flop thalia down and jam a thoughtsieze monster up their ass. to say this is a 'good' matchup for me is a gross understatement.

>>51439788
Proliferating to respond to attacks on a chalice sounds genius but I don't think it's legal. The naturalize is declared targeting the Chalice, the Chalice checks if the spell is countered, it isn't, he plays the proliferate spell, it resolves and an additional counter is placed on the Chalice, then doesnt the naturalize resolve? the spell has already entered the stack without being countered.

You got bamboozled

>>51439788
>>drop the naturalize, he uses proliferate to add an extra counter

I... I don't think it works like that. I'm fairly certain chalice doesn't trigger because the spell is already on the stack while it has one counter.

>>51439843

Is my train of thought.

>>51439846
>>51439843
Neither of us were sure at the time, it should have been more obvious but I thought Chalice checking the naturalize was interrupted by the instant, so the proliferation effect resolves, then the Chalice checks and the naturalize resolves.

Found a new proxy shop, what deck should I buy into? Bant Eldrazi looks like a fun middle finger to the idiots in my meta, but I'm open to suggestions.

>>51439846
>>51439843
>>51439872
Yeah you can't proliferate, from gatherer
>The number of counters on Chalice of the Void matters only at the time the spell is cast. Changing the number of charge counters on Chalice of the Void after a spell has been cast won’t change whether the ability counters the spell. If the Chalice had the correct number of counters when the spell was cast, its ability will trigger. If the Chalice had too many or too few counters when the spell was cast, the Chalice’s ability won’t trigger.
If the card text was
>Whenever a player casts a spell, if that spell's converted mana cost is equal to the number of counters on chalice, counter it
then it would work I think

>>51439750
I would consider the second Temporal Mastery at least in the sideboard. You'll get some some hard if not impossible matchups, something like getting an extra turn without getting finished off might be exactly what you need. But you'd be better off with Serum Visions then at the cost of a turn 3, 3 card draw.

Wizards murdered Mill and the lack of Glimpse reprints is criminal when its so core to the deck. Startled awake was a scrub trap and im still occasionally running the Consuming Aberration or Sewer Nemesis

>>51439890
What is your meta?

>>51439872

It's more that the chalice trigger never hits the stack at all.

>you cast naturalize
>chalice immediately compares the cmc
>if they match - Trigger on stack
>if they don't - carry on
>they don't, so no trigger
>priority goes to you
>you pass
>opponent responds
>proliferate
>goes to 2 counters
>naturalize resolves

>>51439895

Eh, not quite. It would have to read something like:

>If a spell with cmc equal to the number of counters on ~ would resolve, counter it instead

>>51437897
I like seeing Void Winnower and Sundering Titan. This is a solid Tron deck, I think you need another Sanctum of Ugin, I run 4 without the Conduit of Ruin just because my meta is more about creature removal (too many dismembers) and I need a reliable way to find big creatures, although I suffer if im topdecking for a big creature and get nothing. I assume the 2x Chalices are because they're too expensive right? I eventually got the 4, you need them to stall out or even straight up win games against infect and burn, they are your holy grail.

>>51439908
Bad Infect and Burn players with a handful of Jund and Junk dudes that don't understand much beyond playing what's in their hand unfortunately. Already took last tournament with Dredge and now I'm liking the idea of making those playsets of Fatal Push worthless.

>>51439923
I don't know if they'd template it like that. I mean, it works, and resolve appears on cards quite a bit, but I don't think they've ever used a counter mechanic in that way.

>>51439996
Eldrazi seems fine then. If the bannings turn more people off infect tron would probably work too.

What's the most frustrating control deck one can build on a budget of, say, about 100$?

Went 3-1 with a Japanese Bubble Hulk list at FNM tonight.

Highlights:
T3'd Naya Burn
T4 Esper LlotV to hose my 'yard strat, tapped out next turn for Lingering Souls tokens & I flashed in Venser to bounce it winning next turn

http://www.hareruyamtg.com/en/k/kD05174W/

>>51439997

It's weird, but it works.

I suppose the other way works.

>Whenever an opponent casts a spell, counter that spell if its CMC is equal to the number of counters on ~

This should work because it triggers regardless of cmc and should check on resolution.

I just realized that there is a downside to this method, too. If you destroy chalice with another spell of a different cmc in response to adding a counter, the first spell won't be countered because it can't check the counters on resolution.

>>51439945
I ran Sanctum, but found 4 left me with no way to start the tutoring, 1 or 2 works with Conduit, you get it pretty fast with Eldrazi temple the trigger is on cast so you at least get to tutor for 5 and potentially keep a 5/5 and -2 less for that creature in the next turn, if you're lucky you also have a Sanctum out and you can get all you big players in your hand without blowing a lot of mana.

Seeing as we're talking about Eldrazi has anyone considered Planar Bridge as a way to cheat out a deck of big hitters

>>51440035
Pretty sure it can, the game has 'memory' about the last known information of a permanent before it went to the graveyard
>413.2f If an effect requires information from the game (such as the number of creatures in play), the answer is determined only once, when the effect is applied. If the effect requires information from a specific object, including the source of the ability itself, the effect uses the current information of that object if it hasn’t changed zones; otherwise, the effect uses the last known information the object had before leaving the zone it was expected to be in. There are two exceptions: (1) if an effect deals damage divided among some number of creatures or players, the amount and division were determined as the spell or ability was put into the stack (see rule 402.6), and (2) static abilities can’t use last known information (see rule 412.5). If the ability text states that an object does something, it’s the object as it exists—or as it most recently existed—that does it, not the ability.
I think this applies here

>>51440031
Did you ever need 3 seer's? I understand 2 so you can get a 2nd in case of removal but how often do you need a 3rd?

>>51440062

Hrm. Yea, you're probably right.

>>51439750
Why is Breaking and Entering have such shitty mana distribution, its second part is overpriced and no-one is going to have the mana or reason to play it. but the first half is the second most efficient mill card. Turn and Burn is a perfect example of the dual card done right.

>>51440031
Wouldn't Serum visions be better than seer? Does the job a bit faster unless im missing something with mass sacrificing.

>>51440144
Dragon Maze was a pretty badly designed set as a whole. I don't think there's really a correct mana cost for a mill//reanimate spell. Turn Burn is well designed because both halves are good against creatures and together they're really good against a creature. Breaking//Entering does 2 mostly useless polar opposite things on their own and 1 strong but over costed thing together.
>>51440173
You need seer to combo off

How do I beat Ravager Control with Naya Goblin Guide Control? I thought Eidolon of the Great Revel would suffice but turns out they vomit their hand and then activate Nexus instead of playing cards if they're behind on life

>>51440272
Nut draw with Destructive Revelry and/or Shattering Spree

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Teir three masterrace

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>>51436894
>>What control deck do you play?
playan some grixis humans control and mountain control
blood moon and bolt are the most powerful control cards in the game

>>What control deck do you hate?
can't stand urza control

>>What control deck is going to be the best after the meta shakes out?
idk, RUG 1-drops control?

>>51440272
lead with lavamancer and side four revelries

>>51440031

I like the Woodfall Primus tech in that l-
>Glimpse the Unthinkable
Now that's some expensive spicy tech.

>>51440410
How do you deal with card redundancies against anyone not running creatures or protection like Greaves shrouding. I find Tron punishes Path to Exiles and wouldn't burn outspeed you?

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>>51440674
Both tron and burn arnt that popular atm
But against burn i have my spellskites atleast

>>51438940
Do you play on xmage? I may have played merfolk against you recently

>>51437611
>I picked up a deck and didn't instantly win! Waaah
No. The deck just sucked. It was a good meta call against Dredge and whatnot, but it's just not that powerful a deck.

>>51437614
>Maybe you just stuck ass?
I'm not really sure what you mean.

>>51437736
>tron baby can't play skred
I play tron a handful of times and I'm a tron baby, huh? I don't even really like tron anymore. Looking at my history, I was a little off... haven't played tron much since 2014.

>>51441258
It has favorable matchups against every linear aggro deck, which occupy pretty much the entirety of modern.

Like you auto-win against Infect, Affinity, Burn, Dredge, Tron, Merfolk and Zoo. How the fuck did you manage to do poorly with the deck?

>>51441549
>Like you auto-win against Infect, Affinity, Burn, Dredge, Tron, Merfolk and Zoo. How the fuck did you manage to do poorly with the deck?
I lost to not those. Like I said, I lost to a shitty brew... 4/4s and 5/5s... I don't remember exactly what, it was last year. Even the matchups where I did win, it just didn't seem that great.

I play in a meta with a bunch of poorfags, so I'm the only one that played Dredge. And there hasn't been any Tron in months. I haven't seen Merfolk in over a year.

>>51441614
Then by what metric is Skred Red a bad deck when you arguably aren't even playing modern?

>>51441724
I guess it's just that I play a lot of other shit that crushes. Decks that feel powerful like Affinity, Tron, Eldrazi, Breach Titan, Bant Spirits, and various decks that have been axed like Twin or Dredge.

I suppose it's just the feel. A week after playing Skred Red, I tried Skred Swans, and though it may be worse, at least I felt like I was in control of all my games.

I get what you're saying: my FNM scene isn't really modern, but I've played in actually competitive events (GPs, PTQs, etc.), so I think it's fair to gauge how it feels when I'm getting my shit kicked in by a garbage deck.

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>>51441258
I like skred, but it does seem like red in general is the most likely to be screwed by someone playing the random life gain/normally bad fatties decks.

>>51439662
Your ad nauseam matchup is probably 65-35 without a sideboard, with the fourth thalia and meddling mages, its probably closer to 80-20 post sideboard. You don't need any additional cards dedicated to the ad nauseam matchup.

>>51441819
It has mainboard answers to MartyrProc and Soul Sisters as well, in the form of powerful removal and high-damage wincons.

>>51441794
>Dredge
>axed
>Bant Spirits
>powerful
What the fuck are you talking about?

>go to local anime store that does MTG, advertised as modern
>playing titanshift
>don't know what I expected but
>first round paired against a 450lb retard. when I say retard I don't just mean generic insult retard I mean the dude was there with his mom and genuinely seemed handicapped
>his deck is an 80 card monowhite pile built around the "combo" of putting a bunch of equipment on a platinum angel
>no trick or gimmick to achieving this goal, just make land drops and wait apparently
>tries to brag about how his deck was just a "little expensive" at $92
>gets mad as fuck and starts swearing and sperging out when I T4 him two games in a row
>next game vs monowhite life gain infect pillow fort ????? mess
>T4 him two games in a row
>next game vs a guy on 80 card rakdos werewolves and discard
>T4 him two games in a row
>Last round
>esper unburial-thopter-gifts
>oh wow, a real deck
>T4 him two games in a row
>Guy next to me was playing jeskai ascendancy and making the casuals mad as fuck but apparently he whiffed and lost to the rakdos werewolves/discard deck
>collect my 3 booster pack prize and leave

I wanted to give the place a chance because it's so close to where I live and the closest LGS is about a 90 minute drive... but holy fuck

>>51441907
>What the fuck are you talking about?
Not axed, nerfed a bit; whatever.

And yeah, I think Bant Spirits is powerful. I lost to it in a top 8 last year, then tried it a few times and that deck fucking beats face.

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Is Knightfall or bant 3 drop good stuff a decent deck? The combo looks cool but I think I'd rather keep it at 1-2 for CoCo reasons.

>>51441960
Meanwhile it's the exact opposite at my store.

I brought some shitty Tron shell build and I got stomped, almost everyone plays there tier 1 or 2 decks, rarely seing worse stuff.

>>51441819
>>51441724
skred red is ultimately a meta deck
if you take the stock lists and go up against a deck that just spews out x/4s or wins on the stack, you're gonna have a bad time

>>51441549
skred is way too slow to have a favorable matchup against tron

>>51441960
I wouldn't mind that shop at all. I'd just make a good brew and win with fun shit. I'd honestly rather play against dudes who don't have tier 1 decks every time. Seriously, 3 fnms ago I played against dredge 4 times and then burn. It's retarded desu, I fucking hate it.

>>51442391
yeah, I'm thinking I might try taking something a little more tame if that's going to be the meta. although I still don't want to just roll over and lose to the guys with actual competitive decks, so it's hard to find a middle ground.

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>>51441960
Its hard to find an imbetween for casual
>dont play competetive magic often
>get invited to a university magic night by a friend, never knew he played magic and visa versa
>I get there, a reasonable number of normal looking humans a couple of lost souls already huddled at a table, could be worse
>brought a modern hydra deck that just does dumb shit with counters and gets rekt by any removal
>friend loses the first game and just watches
>I dont realise yet but the majority of people were some friend group that started playing magic that day and only had store bought decks or had not even 60 cards made from random singles from booster packs
>Games are awkward and short, by game 3 it feels like Im some kind of monster ruining everything, but it seems more awkward if I suddenly walk out
>Second last game, opponent barely knows the rules
>we dont even play the final round
>Get given some booster packs I know were bought by this group of friend and intended to be given to someone they knew.
>I try to refuse
>its the most uncomfortable experience
I just wanted to play a card game

Meanwhile I can only play certain decks or get my shit pushed in by a dredge, jund, affinity meta at my local store and everyone is a bit too autistic and overweight.

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>>51442518
This is the fucking worst feel.

Got lots of friends that are casual to magic and/or freshly started their adventure.

It boils down to this
One refuses to take any advice despite getting his shit pushed in by a person that plays for a month with a deck constructed from 2 lbs of random cards he bought for pennies.
He'll go ultra mad if you want to help him or teach anything.
Second thinks he's hot shit because he wins sometimes vs my casual brews to play with them, when I brought one of my FNM brews and was repeatedly killing him on turn 3 - 4 he threw a tantrum I'm a tryhard etc etc.

I can't either find middle ground it's either ultra casuals or tier 1-2 decks at my store.

I know only ONE person that I can play non tier 1-2 decks and he won't bitch or go mad over it, he just has fun playing with me and isn't utterly bad at the game.

>>51442481
I'd just make a brew, tech against the actual good decks, some graveyard hate and some storm hate it sounds like, definitely dedicate the entire sideboard to the good decks. Also are you going to a magic shop in North Conway? I used to go to one there with a fat mentally challenged guy who played angels, his name was Patrick and he would hit on my girlfriend

>>51442631
Sounds like your friends are autistic

>>51442746
What a well thought out contribution to the thread.

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>>51441960
>Two 80 card decks
Jesus tapdancing Christ

>>51442733
no, it's an anime store in a shitty little town called Ardmore in oklahoma.

>>51442886
yeah, they were actually discussing how their decks were around 80 cards and they didn't want to slim them down to 60 because they would have to cut too many pet cards.

>>51442085
>skred is way too slow to have a favorable matchup against tron
what's mind stone?
what's blood moon?
what's crumble to dust?

>>51442979
Doesn't Skred run like 2 Moons mainboard?

>>51441960
That sounds like it would be an interesting experience the first time, but would get old really quickly. How many modern stores have people that primarily use casual decks?

Off topic, but what do you think of Titan Shift as a deck? I was considering playing it. Is it fun?

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>>51442907
Ill host a fortnightly magic night with my roommates and we'll often get friends of friends who come with these fucking crazy decks (someones uncle came with a pack fresh premade deck from 1993). Exactly what you described happened last week, these two jockish men who had gotten suddenly hooked on magic got invited and they had these 80 or 90 card decks just full of ''cool'' cards they liked. No strategy or synergy they just had straight up the cards they thought had the best effects on their own. Both decks were 5 colour, one deck had 16 mana and no plains or swamps that he needed for a lot of cards in his deck, the other had enough lands and at least one of every colour but a huge abundance of junk black high manacost common cards from the Eldritch Moon set and a couple of shiny spirit cards that only interacted with spirits, which he had non of.

I showed them tapped out, they thought it was going to be wrestling and it got overwhelming for them fast

>>51443205
Shouldn't that peanut butter be a pool on the table? Whites invented jars.

>>51443128
>Titan Shift
Not him but I much prefer a straight up red wins, burn or cruel control. I had a bad experience where I borrowed a friends Titan shift deck and then burned myself out every game before I could win. I didnt do well with my tops decks but I find the archetype risky.

>>51436894
Control isn't dead, but the typical Weissman "draw/go" control is definitely on its last legs.

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>>51443205
>they thought it was going to be wrestling
Fuck thats retarded, but of course why wouldnt a normie make that mistake

their faces when you tell them tappedout is going to make their decks better

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Is there a budget option for chalice in eldrazi tron? Or a decent replacement all together?

>>51443128
I like it overall. I'm playing the strictly prime time/scapeshift version instead of the breach version that emerged recently, because I built the deck a little over a year ago and just haven't really gotten around to updating it.

I feel like it has solid game against most of the field. I can't think of any match ups where you just accept that you're going to roll over and lose. when you find that occasional guy with the draw-go control deck that can be a tough match, but natural valakut triggers give you inevitability even there.

>>51443128
>How many modern stores have people that primarily use casual decks?
I've been in the military for about 20 years and have played all over the place. I think magical christmasland metas (full of casual garbage) are fairly uncommon.

>>51443406
Not that I know of, its hard to replace considering how much freedom you get casting. Void Winnower or Great Distortion are pseudo replacements and come out in a completely different point in the game. You could try using defense grid or rely on your warping wails for counters.

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>mfw people ask for sideboard advice but don't add the meta they're playing in
Like, why bro?

>>51443128
>Get old rather quickly because opponents are playing shitty piles
Sounds like you don't know about Titanshift. It really doesn't matter what your opponent is playing unless they have leyline of sanctity in the board.
>Ramp
>Ramp
>Cheese out t3 titan
>More ramp, you're dead because of Valakut triggers you can't stop
Not really the epitome of interactive magic

>>51439801
If its already a good matchup why did you waste two slots on a bad card to combat it?

>>51440020
>modern deck
>$100
ok guy

>>51440020
You could just be a mega autist and build turbo fog

>>51440020
>control
>$100
Really can only build a meh mono red burn.

>>51440020

>control
>100$

That won't even net you a playset of snapcasters.

>>51440020
Turbofog is probably the only option for you.

>>51437293
I've played both, and they are both really fun. Valakut has more interactivity.

>>51437293
If I had to choose between the two I'd play titanshift.

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if there's anyone that is on/is worrying about abzan company this coming weekend at regionals, this is the list that has given me the most success in almost every matchup.

ASK QUESTIONS I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THIS DECKLIST

Does naya burn beat jeskai nahiri?

Tron is not a control deck.

I'm looking for a deck that just doesn't fold to anything. I'm currently playing jund and I hate the fact that it just auto-loses to Tron. I want something that's 50/50 across the board. I miss the days of splinter twin that was about 50/50.

>>51444349
Any deck that can win by turning guys sideways is aggro in my book

>>51444349
Fair enough. I always thought of control as something that just counters and kills until it can land its win con. Tron doesn't do that as far as I know

>>51444364
RUG delver

>>51444505
Tron is basically a combo deck. People say it's a control deck because it isn't aggro basically, but that's retarded. Most of the deck is built around finding, and then using, a specific combination of three cards.

>>51444364
Bant Eldrazi, but you fold to blood moon and wraths.

>>51444364
Taking Turns

>>51444597
He said deck that *doesn't* fold to anything.

>>51444364
It was more like 60/40 across the board, with some matches being better for Twin.
Which is exactly why Twin was banned thank god.

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>Playing
Lantern Control
>Hating
Probably WG Tron
>Best in the meta now
Probably Grixis Delver. It gewd.

Honestly, the most fun match I had at FNM last night was against Jeskai Nahiri. I still to figure out how to improve my matchup against Burn. My buddy keeps straight shitting on my balls and I feel bad.

>>51436894
Koth is best planeswalker

>>51444914
Truly is. Fun, reasonably costed, can't just be splashed, actually powerful ult

>>51444534
>Combo
you realize there is a difference between "combo" and "synergy," right? Or is Bant spirits a combo deck too?

>>51441889
i've just always been a fan of not worrying too hard about my bad matchups and making my good ones unwinnable for the opponent.

>>51445006
Any deck that uses two or more cards to win is a combo deck

>>51445006
Does bant spirits do nothing except dig for pieces for 3-4 turns?
See why your reasoning is retarded?

>>51444858
>I still to figure out how to improve my matchup against Burn
dragon's claw into witchbane orb.

>>51445102
>>51445114
"Combo" implies that by using those cards together you win on the spot. Ad Nauseam is a combo deck, RUG Scapeshift is a combo deck, Splinter Twin is a combo. Assembling Tron does nothing by itself and even then does not guarantee that you will win if your infect opponent just kills you anyway.

>>51444349
In the most technical sense it is, but it's so focused on controlling the board it's better to call it a midrange deck.

>>51445161
Why does it even matter? Why do you autists constantly fight about this pointless shit?
It just ruins the threads

>>51445161
Are you implying that 3 cards that combo together aren't a combo? Modern general everyone. /tg/ is bad at magic at its finest. A t3 Karn is literally unbeatable.

>>51445197
>A t3 Karn is literally unbeatable.
You're the one who is bad. Maybe don't play shit decks. It's powerful but not insurmountable

>>51445175
>RG tron
>only "control the board card" main deck is kozilek's return.

If you think Karn is a control the board card and not a win condition, I can see why you'd think the way you do, but I also think you're retarded.

>>51445197
>T3 karn
>-3 on your glistener elf
>vines of vastwood in response
>untap, swing, mutagenic mutagenic become immense gg?

>>51445206
>O-stone
>All is dust
>ugin
>karn
>pyroclasm

who the fuck runs kosi's return?

Took a vacation from modern around eldrazi winter. Ran storm and uw emeria titan. You guys rightfully told me my decks were bad. But I think they're fun.

Probe ban was probably the final nail in storm's coffin, but I've been jonesing for some modern. Anybody play UW Emeria? Any new tech in the past few sets I could be turned on to? Reflector Mage? Spell Queller? Is going bant for Renegade Rallier greedy?

>>51445229
The most recent mtgtop8 RG tron list.

>>51445197
If you're going to say Tron+Karn is a combo, then first of all that's 4 cards, not 3. Second, the distinction I made between combo and synergy applies here. Combo in this specific instance denotes something that wins you the game on the spot, not something that *practically* wins you the game. Like other anons have pointed out, if you resolve a Karn it is still possible to lose.

>>51444534
I play ad nauseam and tron. Tron is a control deck. You win less games by playing tron like a combo deck than you would playing it as a control deck. You need to control the board against faster decks or you will lose every time.

In contrast, ad nauseam, an actual combo deck, focuses on assembling its combo as fast as possible and winning the game on the spot. You don't play a proactive game with Tron like you would with ad nauseam.

>>51441960
>>51442886

Seems like the type of shop desolatorMTG would enjoy playing at. Has he bothered testing his decks against real people yet?

>>51445267
You mean filthy netdeckers?

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>>51444914
>my favourite planeswalker is total dogshit

One day... One fucking day...

>>51436894
>What control deck do you play?
I'm planning to use Tutelege Turbofog because I love me some spicy jank meme decks. but my job runs 12-8 monday to friday so I may never actually try it out at FNM unless I book the time off work.
>What control deck do you hate?
I don't hate any control decks but Tron was always one I watched out for.
>What control deck is going to be the best after the meta shakes out?
Hopefully the ones I can beat.

>>51445248
What you're talking about is aggression versus control as an in game playing decision. I can't remember who wrote the article specifically on that subject, but you should look it up, as it's an excellent beginner's introduction to playing effectively.

It doesn't mean tron fits a control archetype. Rather that against more aggressive decks, tron might need to play more slowly. Against a slower combo deck, tron would become the aggressor (and would probably want to try to go balls out), but not an aggro deck.

>>51444291
>2 nobles
>4 birds
What's it like to be poor?

>>51445303
Tron is always playing the control game though. Karn/Ugins/Ulamogs are just a way they control the board against slower decks. I can't think of a single matchup where Tron is the aggressor.

>>51445297
She's not too bad anon, don't be upset

>>51445267
>Has he bothered testing his decks against real people yet?
When you're one of the best players in the world, it's pretty pointless. What is there to prove?

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>>51445376

>>51445368
You can't, because tron is the slowest aggressive deck in the format, and there aren't actually viable control decks in the format.

>>51445587
If a deck is never the aggressor and uses its cards to control the board and stabilize, is that not the definition of a control deck?

>>51445633
They're just idiots memeing, don't feed them (You)s

>>51445633
Not if it uses a combo to win

>>51445633
It uses some cards. All is Dust/Oblivion stone are only viable after it has assembled the combo. Karn is only viable after it has assembled the combo. Ugin is only viable after it has assembled the combo.

All of these cards are more appropriately considered ways for tron to win, not to control.

Get back to me when your tron deck uses more spot removal than dig and search spells.

>>51445749
>implying tron can't just hardcast them if necessary

>>51445773
If the other deck is running poorly, sure.

>>51445397
Actually, it turns out Desolator started playing against actual people. He made a video a few days ago. What he doesnt show you however, is all the games where he gets destroyed, like this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH91NDR4iyw&t=73s

>>51445803
Why the hell didn't he block in that last attack?

>>51445803
Haha lol wtf. Whether you're playing modern, standard, block constructed, or commander, it's never okay to netdeck. Get of your high horse, you little pathetic 2 year old SJW swine. DesolatorMagic cares about his fans, you only care about the money, cheating, and speculating on cards. As Des pointed out, you baby netdeckers should all go cheat at some other LGS, and leave us who actually respect this game alone. Did I mention how expensive it is for you losers to netdeck? I made a mono white lifegain modern deck using the card Peace of Mind and Lich's Mirror, it costs 20 dollars and wins every game agaist so called tier 1 netdecks and can only lose to itself. Have fun with your boring decks, mine are the true ways to play Magic.

>>51445234
martyr proc is better in this meta.

>>51445587
There goes the dead meme.

>>51446427
Name one.

>inb4tron

>>51446440
Grixis, UW, Jeskai, Sun and Moon, Lantern, Skred, Esper with fatal push.

>>51444532
Even with the git probe ban?

>>51444539
I am building the legacy version so I might give that a try. Just need the caverns. Thought knot seer is a dope card.

>>51446397
Almost, but not quite there. Change the wordging so you're calling your own deck tier 1, Des doesn't know what tier 1/2 means.

>>51446549
>viable

>>51446032
lol I like how he gets salty in the chat after he makes the obvious mistake. "omfg I just wanted one good recording". Nigga you just tapped out for a 4 mana 3/3 against a 5/5 and a 4/4 what did you think was gonna happen?

>>51446603
But he mulliganed 3 times!

>>51446603
I also like how he used compelling deterrence main phase instead waiting for his opponent to attack.

>>51446598
>Skred wins the last gp playing against grixis in the finals
>UW control in every 5-0 report since the bannings
>Sun and moon recently put 2 copies in the top 8 of a modern classic along with Jeskai in top 4.
>lol also we can't count tron because its a good control deck guys.

Open your eyes and stop moving the goalposts.

>>51446699
The entire argument has been over whether tron is a control deck you moron.

Get some fucking context.

Ive been brewing that expertise/fuse combo and I'd like to hear what others have to think about it.

If it folds to counter play, how about using something like boseju?

Another card that might work is putting it in a control shell and using gifts ungiven.

The question to ask is "will the deck work when not goldfishing," and putting it in a control shell could help. But then it might not go off fast enough.

>>51446726
Not even gonna look at all of the other data that shows that the decks I listed are viable modern control decks? Faggot. Keep whining about how control is dead while good players go out and get results.

Would a Jund Tron list work, using Groves and Llanowar wastes for the mana base?

>>51446834
That would basically be a 4 colour deck

>>51446754
How would you use Boseiju and Gifts Ungiven?

>>51446754
Boseiju only makes Expertise uncounterable, not any of the other cards you cast off it.

>>51446834
What is the black for?

>>51447226
Whats it normally for?

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Yo, I'm a new player who has only watched vids on mtg, and wanted to start my own collection/deck.

The question is fat packs ,deck builders or bulk? Keep in mind that i've read that singles is the way to go but i am new.And i'll probably sell any big pulls since i'm not rockfeller, if i get any.

>>51447419

If you're new, as in not new to sanctioned magic but to mtg in general, you'd better start with standard. I mean, it's not like it's a cheap format, but more affordable than Modern for sure and easier to grasp

>>51406875

>>51440410
What, no Ghostway/Interlude?

>>51447419
>The question is fat packs ,deck builders or bulk? Keep in mind that i've read that singles is the way to go but i am new.And i'll probably sell any big pulls since i'm not rockfeller, if i get any.

None of the above.

Don't buy paper. Get good by playing drafts and ask for your prize in store credit if possible. That gets you your singles, experience, prize pool, and competition at a reasonable price.

Don't spend your money buying cards, at least buy into drafts so you can play and win no matter what you pull.

>>51447861
Not everyone is poor like you dude

>>51448107
You can't buy skill and experience

>>51448345
I was born a champion

>>51448364
LSV?

>>51448474
LSV can suck my dick.

>>51442979
Bad
Bad
Doesn't resolve through a Warping Wail or a Karn, less than 40% odds of finding it during a game if you run less than 4, does nothing without a clock vs hardcast Wurmcoil/Karn

>>51448513
Ok des

>>51445206
Reminder that nothing Karn does satisfies the conditions of rule 104.2

>>51448552
Neither does gaining infinite life

>>51447861
>pay $15 to get possibly $8 for in-store credit every week
You'll be able to afford a single copy of a modern staple in just under 6 weeks by spending an extra $42 to get shit cards you'll never use!

>>51448552
Practically winning the game isn't the same as winning the game :^)

>>51448552
neither does angel's grace ad nauseam, but that's the combo the deck is aiming to resolve, and the combo you need to stop. Just pointing at rule 104.2 is a shit definition.

I'm interested in playing modern but the investment scares me a little bit.
Is affinity something I should build into? Can Spires of Indistry replace glimmers?

>>51448812
>investment

#triggered

>>51448812
there's nothing wrong with building a budget conscious version of a deck to start with and simply upgrading it as you feel comfortable or necessary.

>>51448812
A cardstock game for children is not an investment, don't treat it as such. It's a hobby, that's all it is. When spending money on magic cards remember that you're buying entertainment, ask yourself if the fun you'll get by playing your deck is worth it. Usually magic cards will provide you with more hours of entertainment than spending the same amount of money on movies or videogames.

>>51448552
I hope you realize you're retarded.

>>51449010
Yes but it is a slippery slope. I just spent a grand on cardboard I already had. Just now, they're shiny.

>>51449010
Usually playing on cockatrice will provide the same amount of hours of entertainment, and be free.

>>51445327
I have a playset from infect, but i've decided that 6 mana dorks is sufficient and i almost never over draw them

they're a terrible topdeck so i play duskwatches over the 23rd land and the 7th mana dork

>>51449214
I think his point that was that he thinks Noble is better than Birds but I disagree in the deck that plays black

>>51449247
yeah i've noticed that in large part the color i miss the most is black, so birds are better. I figured he was just being a dick lmao

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>Innistrad boxes sell for like 300
>Estimated Value is like 120
What the fuck is this kike trickery, all I wanted to do was fucking draft Innistrad with some bros, literally how the fuck can they justify this

>>51449448
>all I wanted to do was fucking draft Innistrad
Sounds like you already know the answer

>>51449448
because everyone wants to draft it?

>>51449214
You only have 4 black cards that only require 1 fucking black in your main deck, fug off. Literally no reason to run birds over noble in abzan company

>>51449448

box mapping

>>51449484
>>51449486
Nah senpai, 200 dollars isn't worth a draft desu. And no, not everyone wants to draft it, it's a good set, but seriously, 300 fucking dollars?

>>51449488
redcap requires 2 black, and alot of my sideboard including a sin collector, 3 fulminator mages, 2 duresses, an anafenza the foremost, and 2 abrupt decays. why have a dork that only taps for 2 of your colors? not to mention i only have 4 black producing lands in the deck only 3 of which are fetchable.

>>51449516
Then you are not the target audience for Innistrad boxes.

>>51449516
It's considered by many as the best draft set of all time

>>51449508
pls

>>51439923

No you're wrong, he had it right before

>>51448525
since Skred doesn't rely on so heavily on sideboard and have many customizable slots you can use pyretic ritual for turn 2 blood moon, also exist one artifact called pithing needle...
also:
git gud

>>51449516
>And no, not everyone wants to draft it
Because you're ass pained with the price? Fuck off kiddo

>>51449508
>this is actually a real thing
Holy shit, can you make money off this?

>>51449848
Yea bro, we just decided not to

Speaking of draft.

How fun are the newer sets for drafts? Origins and up?

Haven't played a draft for 3 years, only getting singles here and there.

>>51449848

It's a lot of work for it to be worth it.

See the pattern of packs in the box, filter all lilianas/snapcasters, fill the box with random packs until it has 36 again, sell it unsealed, slightly cheaper to some idiot, buy a new one, repeat

>>51450042
I thought SoI was pretty good

>Calls his deck the "net deck killer"
>Says his meta is full of non net decks
>Says he only wins one round at his FNM with the deck

I don't get it.

Video for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwAli-BXcgc

>>51450880
Obviously since he tuned his deck to beat net decks, its blind spot is any deck that isn't a net deck. So if his meta is full of honest, good, wholesome magic players enjoying the game the way god intended, of course he's only going to win one round!

>>51450880
Please stop giving him views

>>51447419
do you have friends to play with? try some mtg online or something if not until you know how the play the game
after that hit up a game store for some drafts and maybe find a group for EDH
you can't really make money off magic, and you need to spend a lot to have fun with it
If you want a collection fast, get a booster box of a set or two, and a deck builder box for a big stack of land. Singles are much easier and cheaper for building a specific deck, but you need friends to play with for that. Booster boxes are the cheapest per unit and you will inevitably spend at least that much on magic anyway

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>>51439750
>chalice
>a good card

Everything about the card is fucked up design. It should be thrown in the thrash alongside blood moon and spirit guide.

I used lowercase letters because I disrespect these cards that much.

>>51450986
Desolator is so bad he's good, his videos are hilarious when you realize how wrong the stuff he says is.

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Redpill me on modern Grixis

>>51451861
loses to tron

>>51451861
Too expensive for how mediocre it is. It is surprisingly fun to pilot, except against your worst match up, karn tribal.

Is Skred a spicy meme or is it actually decent?

Is it fun?

>>51442085
Lists run 4 SSG and 3-4 Mind Stone.

>>51452490
Yea. Shitty lists. I've been running Skred for over two years.

would splashing black in skred work?

>>51452552
For what? hand disruption against combo? Seems hard to guarantee T1 black source as well as T3 double red for anger of the gods and you couldn't run reckoner at all

>>51452552
Don't see why not.
What do you want out of black?

>>51447086
right, right, but at least you get to resolve something. If they counter one of the fuse cards, you still get the other, which is decent for beck//call.
>>51446898
Gifts would help you assemble the cards you need in your hand. Get a Kari Zev's, Sram's, breaking//entering and beck//call and let your opponent choose which ones he doesn't want you to have.
I dunno, depends on if they know what's in your hand.

>>51453772
If you counter a fuse card both halves are countered. It's a single spell on the stack.

>>51453988
I see... that is pretty shitty, then.

In that case, this combo will literally fold to any counter play at all, which sucks.

>>51448749
That's right, infinite life is not a win condition and lots of decks don't care about it.
>>51448766
Karn in the most literal sense cannot win the game. We don't call Counterbalance in Legacy Miracles a win condition for the same reason we shouldn't call Karn. It's on your opponent to not scoop to stabilizers. Aggro doesn't care too much about Karn, control can deal with him, Karn doesn't magically transform from a stabilizer to a win condition because BGx can't.
>>51448796
No, the deck is aiming either to cast Lightning Storm for lethal or win with Lab Maniac, the aforementioned combination is just a means of getting it done asap and the easiest part of the process to disrupt. If you have infinite life and Sudden Shock in hand with mana up and won't deck first or have a clock, you literally cannot lose no matter how many Graces and Nauseams they resolve.
>>51449109
Cool argument, kys.

>>51454628
>If you have infinite life and Sudden Shock in hand with mana up and won't deck first or have a clock, you literally cannot lose no matter how many Graces and Nauseams they resolve.
If you have infinite life you won't lose no matter how many lightning storms they have.

>>51454643
You can still lose to Lab Maniac draw with Pact of Negation backup.

>>51454650
And if they're not main decking lab man game 1? What's the combo? Guess it's actually a control deck because sometimes your opponent has infinite life.

>>51454691
Everyone is running Lab Maniac maindeck these days, because it's strictly better than only 1-2 Storms. I don't really get your point if you even have one.

>>51454706
That's irrelevant, Ad Naus without labman is a combo deck. Angel's grave Ad Naus is the combo in that deck. So 'your opponent has infinite life' doesn't matter for the definition of combo.

>>51454777
Granted. Angel's Grace+Ad Nauseam is still not a *win condition* (read: the thing the deck aims to resolve to win the game, if your actual win conditions are Jester's Capped, you can resolve Nauseams until the cows come home and no one cares), those are Lab Maniac and Storm (and theoretical SSG beats). I'm not arguing about combo vs control, I'm arguing win conditions vs stabilizers. Infinite life is not a win condition, even through Lab Maniac-less Ad Nauseam cannot (realistically) win through it.

>>51453196
I'd guess Inquisitions and Terminate?

Why is modern such garbage that you can actually just make a deck entirely teched to solely beat shitty aggro memes and still place well in tournaments?

>>51455625
Sounds like you're just going to lose to karn tribal. And possibly dredge depending on what cards you use to deal with creatures.

>>51455631
>karn tribal
I really can't get behind this meme desu

>>51455625
What exactly are you referring to? Decks like martyr proc have like 90-10 match ups against heavy aggro decks but never place well because that's all they're good at.

>>51455625
You'd also lose to Angel's Grace Control and Mountain Memes.

>>51452552
Just wait until we get snow duals that are actually playable

>>51452743
>Skred Red
>2016 and up
>Reckoner
Nobody plays Reckoner anymore.

>>51453196
TS,IoK, terminate, slaughter games could be interesting with a mindstone/SCG build

>>51455625
tron and valkut will stop you. mostly tron

>>51455625
idk, because the top decks are shitty aggro memes and that's how metagames work?

>>51455625
Why is legacy so shitty you can play something like 12 post and place well because it smashes Miracles? Kys

>>51456357
You shouldn't blindly follow that one garbage list that lucked it's way through. Skred a reckoner is huge reach. Path him? Thanks, mountains are my win con.
Mana rocks and dragons? Now that is straight trash

>>51452743
Red has plenty of hand disruption anyways.

>>51457552
???

>>51457408
that one 4/4 proc white dragon is pretty hard to kill actually

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>>51457581
>>51457581

>>51457713
Losing card advantage for the equivalent of a coinflip weighed against you isn't exactly disruption as much as it is just fucking yourself over with bad cards, unless you're playing some lock piece preventing your opponent from drawing extra cards.

>>51436894
Why do people play anything other than auto win red?
Turn 2 ensnaring bridge or blood Moon
GG

>>51458093
Because more often than it is it's not.

>>51457757
There was a fun looking brew floating around centered on Waste Not and cards like that.
Then you play a Dream Salvage and keep going. It looked fun, but probably does jack shit if you don't have a Waste Not.

>>51458093
This is exactly what is wrong with modern

>>51458116
Waste Not Storm is an old idea and understandably never took off.

>>51458123
No what's wrong with modern is that it's a MTG format that is not EDH.

>>51458196
Oh god. I enjoy a good round of commander as much as the next guy, but cmon.

>>51458196
I'll take noninteractive goldfish strategies over whiny metagame politics any day of the week

>>51458344
This.

I've never seen so much butthurt until I tried commander.

>>51458717
the problem is commander appeals most to turbocasuals that get butthurt when they play against actual good strategies. when you find a commander group that is made of players who are competitive in other formats who accept any and all forms of bullshit as part of the game it's a much more enjoyable experience.

>>51458093
it's like a more fragile, less fun skred. that's why

>>51458093
>mfw x7

>>51458196
There are two problems with modern.

1. Wizards has decided that control is a cancerous archetype, because players like turning creatures sideways. (inb4 >tron is a control deck meme)
2. Modern is dominated by silver bullet cards and niche strategies that require silver bullets to answer.

The solution to the 2nd is complicated. Wizards needs to print less powerful, nonetheless good, cards that happen to answer niche strategies.

For instance, as a very very very simple answer to dredge:

Holy Charm WW Instant
Choose one:
Exile target creature
Exile up to 3 target cards from a graveyard
Gain 4 life.

Printing this would give more decks main deck tools to deal with dredge, and help to make dredge more reasonable without actuallying invoking a ban. It also would help slightly against other aggro decks. But it is almost always worth running main deck, because it has a very general mode that is widely applicable.

Instead of printing bloodmoons, let's print wastelands.

The answer to the first is a bit simpler: Reprint brainstorm, counterspell, foil, and cabal therapy.

>>51459236
Modern is fine. Shut the fuck up you whiny little cunt. Nobody cares any for waaaah silver bullet or creatures the tappening. Kill your pitiful self

>>51459324
>t. Lantern player

>>51459362
What are you even implying?

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>>51459236
>instead of blood moons let's print wastelands
>custom card cancer
Wew lad, this post is almost as retarded as the EDH one.

>>51459324
>t. tron player

>>51459362
>>51459503
>t. EDH players

>>51459525
>>51459503
>>51459362
>t. casual players

>>51451861
Every matchup is an uphill battle

Your clock is shit

There is no good pressuring for this deck

"Jund but grindier and less threats" is true as fuck

This is coming from a Grixis Control player who converted to Delver, Delver is inherently better but god damn Control was fun as fuck

>>51459236
>silver bullets hurt my feelings
>wotc pls print more silver bullets
Bravo lad

>>51459873
How is t2 Angler/Monkey and Snap+bolts man not good pressure?

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>>51459873
Well I just want a good blue control deck. I'm getting bored of my combo decks.

>>51459960
>mfw my buddy foiled out his whole fucking infect deck and then got like 80% of it signed
Lmao at his life desu

>>51459881
I don't think you understand what a silver bullet is, or what I'm asking for.

A silver bullet is a card that shuts down one matchup, but is useless generally. They're necessary because there aren't ways to answer many threats that are good generally. For instance, graveyard hate is almost always just graveyard hate, and nothing else, so it is useless against anything but dredge. You can't maindeck something like that and expect to win, so dredge gets a huge advantage g1 against a lot of decks.

Same for tron: nonbasic land hate is often just nonbasic land hate and nothing else. Also it usually sucks, because "muh lands are sacred". Printing wasteland would be good to fix that second issue. Printing cards that can also shut down nonbasic lands while doing other things (for example, boomerang) is a better solution.

I want the decks I play (dredge and tron) to actually have to deal with relevant hate g1.

Played four modern events on friday and saturday at gp san jose.

>Event 1
R1: GW Tron
R2: GW Tron
R3: GW Tron
R4: Grixis Delver

>Event 2
R1: BW Processor Eldrazi
R2: Grixis Control
proceed to scrub out

>Event 3
R1: Ad Nauseam
R2: Kiki Chord
R3: Eldrazi Tron
R4: Eldrazi Taxes

>Event 4
R1: Grixis Control
R2: Bant Coralhelm
R3: GR Tron
R4: GR Breach

Prepare for tron dominance. If you're playing blue, ceremonious rejection is an A+ sideboard card against them, especially if you're a snapcaster deck.

>>51459960
Play Jeskai Nahiri, it's not awful and I feel it's better than Grixis Control

Play Grixis Delver, you have far more threats and you can side into being a good control deck games two and three

>>51459901
Turn two Tasigur is good but leaves him far too open to removal of any kind (Path, Karn, etc) most games I barely ever see the turn two line for Tasigur. Unlike goyf you can't just throw down multiples and proceed to win the game, you gotta swing for little hits of damage over the next four or five turns

Snap+Bolt is the only thing really resembling a clock and even then, that's not good enough. Racing Tron or Titanshift or Burn with increments of two damage a turn is bad. You gotta pray to topdeck nothing but more Snaps and more Bolts

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Also picked up some sweet stuff for mono blue delver from the italian vendor.

>>51459901
Like, if you look at Jund or Delver, their clock is far superior

Filling the board with Goyfs, Bobs and sometimes a Grim Flayer gives you the capability of closing out a game in three or less turns

Filling the board with flipped Delvers, Young Peezy tokens and Vendilion Cliques along with extra burn effects can help put a two to three turn clock on your opponent

Meanwhile Tasigur/SnapGuy/ZombieFish just can't cut it alone, this is a big reason why I always try and find a slot in the maindeck for Grim Lavamancer, it's a fuckin amazing card

>>51460214
>>51460237
>>51460250
>Mono blue delver
How does it feel to be worthless scum?

>>51460214
Do people actually use disrupting shoal? That's pretty cool if so.

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>>51460214
You gotta list?

>>51460295
3 Cryptic Command
4 Delver of Secrets
1 Deprive
4 Disrupting Shoal
4 Gitaxian Probe
9 Island
2 Mutavault
3 Polluted Delta
1 Prairie Stream
3 Psionic Blast
1 Redirect
4 Remand
3 Scalding Tarn
4 Serum Visions
4 Snapcaster Mage
4 Thing in the Ice
4 Vapor Snag
2 Vendilion Clique

3 Commandeer
2 Geist of Saint Traft
2 Hibernation
3 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Jace Beleren
1 Redirect
3 Vedalken Shackles

This is from a modern gp last year, I think I'm gonna play spellstutter sprite instead of thing in the ice and obviously swap the probes for something else

New thread

>>51460429
>>51460429
>>51460429

>>51460442
bump.

How do you fuck up making new thread this badly?
>>51460442

>>51441960
Why bother wasting the time attending a crapfest like that, for some basically free 3 packs.

New thread that won't get deleted
>>51461156
>>51461156
>>51461156

>>51460982
I missed it what did OP do?

>>51461186
he was a /pol/ memer