Warmachine / Hordes General - /wmhg/

Just as a side thought about some posts from the last thread, I've met a lof of former staff from companies like GW, Mantic, Warlord etc at cons and they all have good things to say and think working there was a great experience.

Except the guys I had met that used to work for PP. Every single one, all of them, fucking despise that place.

That alone kept me from going to work there when I was offered a position.

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first for not being a privateer press employee

please buy more gargossals and all our new circle models next month

>>51405873
So something to notice is that those companies you mentioned are UK companies, while PP is a Left Coast USA company.

>>51405932
well clearly anon was considering running their UK branch head office and isn't just completely full of shit, jeez!

>>51406133
I mean that UK gaming companies aren't likely to be poisoned by the social toxicity that permeates the culture of Seattle and other left-coast cities.

I love warmahordes, I love playing it, but I know the people around me are complete liberals, and you can't exactly escape that kind of stuff in regular social settings that don't involve just playing a game.

I'm not surprised ex-employees despise working there, or in Seattle/Bellevue.

How bad of an idea is it to run f3ora with a bunch of lights? You can fire them off at p+s17(19 with incite) and spd 7.
Also, do you think that f3ora solves the armor cracking problems that the flameguard theme list is bound to have in practice? And is the lack of shield guards too big of a problem to run her in that theme?

>>51405932
>is a Left Coast USA company.
As an American, I've always heard that the east coast is the worse of the two. Especially when it comes to employment
>>51405882
holy christ those thighs

>>51406258
I don't know about "a bunch of lights" but I was definitely thinking about giving her a few dervishes

Flame trail on a light with parry and side step sounds hilarious to me

>>51406258
It's different brands of the same shit, more or less. Hiring practices are probably similar, though the East Coast is likely worse for employment because of a much tighter population density. Boston and Seattle are roughly the same population, but Boston is half the size.

That said, there's not a lot of "diversity hires" in this industry, but you can see that most of PP is staffed by beards, thick-rimmed glasses, and ear hoops. They all likely have tattoos and Starbucks out of frame. So you better not have wrongthink if you work there.

>>51405882
Show me spoilers for Loki you fucks

>>51406258
I played against F3 with 30 Flameguard this week and have to say it's very potent if you're not prepared to deal with that many dudes. It will likely do poorly into Cygnar or any kind of mass shooting, but a lot of POW12s will crack quite some armor. And ambushing daughters are disgusting.

So what's Trollblood's faction gimmick supposed to be?
From my understanding, it is "We're really hard to kill", sorta like a Hordes version of Khador except with tons of healing instead of tons of health.

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>>51406405
We actually pretty much know everything about him except his animus:

Warpwolf Statline

Chain Hook
- Drag

Shield
- Shield Guard

Force to Regenerate d3

Warps
- +2 STR
- Ignore Cover/Concealment
- Cannot be CMA/CRA

Bond [Tanith]: Prowl

>>51406592
>Bond Tanith

Oh

>>51406592
>drag
>ignore cover/concealment

RANGED WARPWOLF?

>>51406614
This is rampant speculation, but if we get a warpwolf theme, PP has already said that the themes that came out this month "did not include unreleased models".

One could hope that the warpwolf theme if it exists wasn't released yet because it allows you to take Loki.

>>51406626
GET OVER HERE

>>51406592
I'm no homo, but I totally would a Loki.

>>51406592
Any more Kaya3 spoilers?

>>51406642
You can field character warjacks and warbeasts in a theme with the appropriate bonded caster/lock

>>51406727
You can. But also, the Tharn force lets you take Ghetorix with anyone.

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So I'm new to the game, and I just want to confirm something.
Warlocks start the game with zero fury right? I can't seem to find anything in the rulebook to say otherwise.

>>51406689
Nothing new, just the old:

Cavalry.
Field Marshal: Reposition 3"
Spells: Synergy
Feat: +2-3 DEF, Parry, Acrobatics

I've speculated on some stats, but other than that, SPOILERS WHEN?

>>51406772
Primal, 70-1:

All warlocks have the following special rules in common...

>Fury Manipulation
"This model has a Fury stat (FURY) and begins the game with a number of fury points equal to its FURY."

>>51406802
Oh well I guess I have brain problems!

>>51406179
Go back to The_Donald, centipede

>>51406955
I don't need to repost /pol/ for internet points, m80. :^)

I can dislike being told to call obvious men in wigs "women" under threat of being kicked out of a con, while playing in a local store that won't kick you out because you have a playmat with a female on it.

>>51407011
>:^)
No, this is what makes you scum. The rest just makes you a bigot

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>>51407095
Nobody cares.

>>51407189
>puts this much effort into shrieking about imaginary sjws
>Posts "Nobody cares" when mocked on it

LOL I TROL U

>>51407237
Yeah, but you can tell now that he's trolling so don't feed him

Anyway, how about dat Hydra, eh?

>>51407237
They're not imaginary, if you play in the Portland/Vancouver or Seattle/Bellevue area.

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>>51407263
DISGUSTING FLESH HOOKS
is it the model or the fingers? you decide

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>>51406459
Sorta. Them and Skorne share the "hard to kill tanky" faction spot. Trollbloods also are a synergy faction with tons of support options and group buffing .Also every trollkin or troll model has tough. Even old people, even 30+ box monsters. They are all tough and almost all on light jack bases, making line of sight a nightmare.

They like to brick.

Also their models got way worse. Just sayin'. Anyone else feel like the mauler, blitzer, and bomber all got crappy standardized models.

The old blitzer was the first warmahordes model to attract me to the game. That shit was dank.

>>51407320
It's a large creature in a sandy area so it has nubs instead of legs. Kinda neat

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>>51407347
It's neat. I just wish it was correctly cast. I'm not paying $120 dollarydoos for melted plastic.

>>51405873
Worked in the warehouse about a year after mk2 released. Place sucked because of the middle management.

>>51407361
It's Wargames Factory quality. *le shrug*

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>>51407388
Storm Raptor retains all the detail on the feathers, claws, armor, etc.

There really is no excuse. The box advertises one thing, the product is another.

>>51407455
Some of those feathers along the top look pretty shitty, though it could be the photo/angle.

>>51405800
Haven't played WarmaHordes since Mk III launched. Does Cygnar have a jack-support caster that isn't Darius yet?

>>51407474
More or less. We don't have an Amon. We can't really spam heavies, but we can really make the few we take shine.

>>51407474
>since Mk III launched
How fast do you think they update?

>>51407474
Sloan and as many Hunters as you can cram. :^)

>>51407688
>:^)
goddamn fucking newfags

>>51407570
Since supposedly Mk III launched mid-last year, I'd have expected at least one new army book which I would expect to either be Khador or Cygnar would be out, and I would expect at least a new unit or something in there, or an overhaul to an old caster to make them more of a 'jack focused caster in what is supposedly a jack focused edition.

I mean I haven't played since 2/3rds of my Darius list went missing in mid-2015, so I have no fricking clue what's come out since then, and I'm basically waiting to either bite the bullet and go balls deep and pick up Convergence 'jacks/Aerogenesis or Cygnar gets a new heavy jack focused caster that isn't Darius. Or Darius2. I'm not picky.

>>51407827
>I'd have expected at least one new army book which I would expect to either be Khador or Cygnar would be out, and I would expect at least a new unit or something in there

You expect... poorly

>>51407816
It's supposed to incite rage. As stupid as it is, it seems it worked.

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>>51407816
It's a face meant to be added to facetious/trolling remarks as emphasis. It worked. :^)

Obviously, Sloan with a lot of Hunters--while technically a warjack "support" list as requested--is a semi-sarcastic answer, and should rile feelings in players who've faced it much like a colon, carat, right parenthesis in that order has riled feelings in you.

>>51407943
>>51407861
So this is how 4chan dies. Faggots Overwhelming. My life for Moooooot

>>51407952
Yes it is. It dies with pointless bickering and infighting. But guess what: You can do something about it. Ignore shitposters and post constructively.

>>51407827
Cygnar is in March, Khador is in April.

At the least, you'll get a warjack theme force akin to Menoth's.

>>51407959
>Ignore shitposters and post constructively.
does not compute

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>>51407952
>anything I don't like is faggots
I guess I'm a faggot for playing Una2. : ^ )

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>Me previously
;_; where are my cool Merc releases PP I feel starved over here
>Me after doing more than zero research
OH SHIT DAWG they are doing what everyone somehow perfectly predicted and giving me a Merc Caine. Okay PP I can wait.

>>51408193
Now we just need a dual-faction Magnus and the circle is complete.

>>51407324
Warbeasts have no tough, they never did and probably never will.

Also whelps don't have tough, counter-intuitively.

>>51407324
Nothing about Skorne is tanky and hard to kill. Only one infantry unit has tough and that's the #YOLO Nihilators. Cetrati have tough but they only just gained it. Our beasts have the same DEF as Khador jacks but less ARM. Skorne is neither tanky nor hard to kill desu senpai.

>>51405873
GW is a nice place to work at. Unless you value fair payment. Or free will.

>>51408520
If you want communistic pay practices and the ability to go get a Starbucks when you're working, PP is the place to be.

>>51407011
Fuck you man I am trying my best to cosplay as poison.

You know how hard is to maintain a chub

>>51408520
I onow the actual stores are a shit place to work at, but from what I've heard anything above that is usually pretty good as jobs go.

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>>51408638

>>51408641
I imagine a GW retail store is all the bad elements of a GameStop and a local game store combined. It must be soul-crushing.

>>51408641
The stores themselves are rather nice, as far as working retail goes. But "good for retail" is still not that great.

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>Not helping out your LGS by making flags for Steamrollers

>>51408682
From what I've heard around here (eastern Virginia), their idea is 'One person, One store.' So, whoever they hire has to work 7 days a week open to close and if he's ever sick or has personal business the store is just closed because he isn't allowed to have anyone else be working there.

>>51408877
It's honestly pretty stupid. They could just hire one person 4 days a week and another 3 days a week. No one wants to work 7 days.

>>51408892
>>51408877
I'll never understand American labor laws, always seems unnecessarily draconic to me.

>>51408944
T: southern European

>(Hexeris 1) Lord Tyrant Hexeris [+28]
- Agonizer [6]
- Reptile Hound [4]
- Bronzeback Titan [18]
- Titan Cannoneer [17]
- Titan Gladiator [15]
- Titan Sentry [15]
Nihilators (max) [15]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [4]
Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]

Played this yesterday and it did very well against Calaban. The ethos is that if solos are shit, don't bring them. The Willbreaker just about gets a pass because rerolling Obliteration damage and taking out a model on the 2nd try is sort of like the Willbreaker has killed a model but from stupid range. He also makes crucial plays safer. I just wish they hadn't nerfed him so heavily going into Mk3. He was only ever a walking Ancillary Attack before, so why nerf Puppet Master?

I'm actually thinking of pairing this with Makeda3.

>>51408877
It's not a forced 7 days a week, but it is highly subjective on the manager.

Where I am, the store is only open 5 hours on Sunday, and closed Monday/Tuesday. Another store is closed Sun/Mon and clsoes at 7pm. It's bizarre.

>>51408998
>wanting basic labor rights is being lazy
And that's why you guys will keep getting fucked.

>>51406592
That's a fucking cool mini. Also yay for hooks in miniature wargames.

>>51409080
I want Loki to hook his cock inside me.

Is it the end of February yet?

>>51409089
Book is out 8 February. If we are lucky we will get some spoiler by the end of next week.

>>51409128
Meanwhile the Venator Dakar was revealed about 8 months ago and still doesn't have anything close to a release date, despite Skorne just being given a gunline theme.

>>51409138
Any month now...

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>>51409128
8 Feb? I thought it was 23 Feb with everything else.

>mfw my preorder wont ship until the same day

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>>51409262
Loki is expected for the Februrary 22.

Anyone have NQ 70?

>>51409138
>>51409153
Ask me about my Hurricane model.

>>51409420
Took like 3 years for the Desert Hydra to be released.

>>51408998
T. Never been to southern europe

You'd starve in a week guiri.

>>51408673
Ogh wow he has more man face than I do, And i have a stubble.

>>51406258
>As an American, I've always heard that the east coast is the worse of the two. Especially when it comes to employment
It's just a perception thing, I think. Grass is always greener, and all that. I've done both, though EC is home for me. People who are happy with their thing tend to like the place they live, people who aren't complain they'd rather be elsewhere.

>holy christ those thighs
hey, man, these are wild, ferocious combat ladies we're talking about here. I'd expect them to be built like a crossfit gym chick, not a bikini model.

>>51408998
Northern European, actually.

Having paid vacation, health insurance, humane working hours and free weekends is a luxury only in third world countries and the USA.

>>51409089
Time for loki x satyr?

>>51409533
I want some Loki x Tanith smut.

Sadly there's a lack of Warmahordes smut out there. I have like, one picture of a Farrow beast rutting someone.

>>51409598
>girl

but anon, that doesnt trigger people! Also I cant write women.

>>51409441
Hurricane "release"/statblock release was actually a few months before the Hydra.

>>51409420
You gotta buy up the stock of Stormwalls, so they can release their Stormwall/Hurricane kit!

Look forward to Extreme Colossal Wrestling in next months NQ!

>>51409664
Honestly, Colossal Wrestling sounds fucking boring.

I mean, what are you doing, other than setting your two Colossals next to each other?

>>51409697
Didn't you listen to Hungerford on Primecast?

You get to set your two colossals next to each other while shouting CATCHPHRASES (like Convergence can go 'ACTIVATING PILEDRIVER SEQUENCE' in robot voices XD), and the rules state you have to shout your 1-2-3 tap count or you don't win.

It's all about FUN and CAMARADERIE and is totally not cringey at all.

>>51409721
>coc
>not shouting "NEXT RELEASE WHEN YOU JEWS I NEED CAVALRY REEEE"

>>51409736
>minions
>I CANT FUCKING PLAY THIS GAME REEEEEEEEE

Anybody recall what the date was for the PDF's of the full decks? Somebody in the previous thread said L&L, but that seems pretty far off... I'd thought they were saying sometime in the next month.

>>51407455
>There really is no excuse. The box advertises one thing, the product is another.


In sort of related news, there's a malifaux model that has a box showing a girl wearing glasses, but the actual model doesn't have any. There's also a dog model that's supposed to have a leash it's dragging around that the actual model doesn't have. What gets me is people act like this is the ultimate betrayal and scream about it. I mean yeah, I get you, pic doesn't match contents, but it's so minor, grow the fuck up.

The hydra is a different story. Sad to see that PP has no intention of fixing the mold. Oh well, still a pretty model.

>>51409848
PDFs are in the OP. Do you mean the errata'd cards? Should've picked Skorne friend, we already have ours ;^)

>>51409859
It really just comes down to cost for me.

<$10 solo model? Yeah, okay. I get it.

$120 premium model they spent years casting? Nah. Fuck that. It better look like the box.

>>51409848
I'm fairlt certain they said L&L in the official thread for the insider.

>>51409343
seconding this, I don't want to have to wait a week for GRIND rules

>>51409721
Is it Age of Warmachine already?

>>51409931
Nah, they just got Hungerford making a game and office memes every month to sell more No Quarters, when he's not working on Organized Play PDFs.

>>51409882

I get you familia. That's a lot of dosh for something less than perfect.

>>51406133
>well clearly anon was considering running their UK branch head office and isn't just completely full of shit, jeez!

DAMAGE CONTROL! DAMAGE CONTROL!

PP STAFFER DETECTED!

>>51406390
>So you better not have wrongthink if you work there.

Exactly. Worked in their resin casting dept for a bit.

If you speak out about problems, and there is plenty to gripe about, you are targeted and will get fired.

It's more to send a message to others not to complain rather than anything you did wrong.

>>51410224
>Left wing company is Nazi as fuck
Movie at 11.

>>51407320
>DISGUSTING FLESH HOOKS

That happened because no one at PP has any real "hands-on" experience with plastics, everything they know is hearsay or assumed.

That issue was pointed out before it was approved and a solution was presented that would have corrected it, but they had a due date to hit and no one had the cojones to tell management it needed to be reworked and be late.

So we get stuck with crap like that.

>>51407470
>Some of those feathers along the top look pretty shitty, though it could be the photo/angle.

No, the feathers were more pronounced and had better detail, but a certain "someone" in the studio had misconceptions about plastic molding and thought the lines were too deep and had to be filled, so we got the shallow detail on the feathers.

Take a look at the Kingdom Death Phoenix model and you'll see what can be done with plastic when you have people that know what they are doing.

>>51409721
>It's all about FUN and CAMARADERIE and is totally not cringey at all.

It's about trying to move product that isn't selling well.

>>51410252

yeah, I know. It's like complaining that water is wet.

But it could have been a fantastic place to work, if not for some of the management. They seem to have their own personal self-interests as a priority rather than waht's best for the company.

>>51410305
It's a fucking shame, because I really want a Storm Raptor, but getting hands on the sprues made me reconsider.

I know I can work some magic but it'll still be disappointing to have in hand and know what could have been.

>>51410224
>>51410278
>>51410305
>>51410364
You know, I wish more people like you would roast PP. Call out names, and throw this shit down at their feet. Liberals know all about shame tactics; let them bask in their failures with hopes of improving from it.

>>51410364
>They seem to have their own personal self-interests as a priority rather than waht's best for the company
Welcome to the world of employment, where the people in charge don't have any real incentive to make the company perform well beyond earning their wage.

>>51410444
You'd figure in a hobby company people would be somewhat interested in, well, improving their hobby.

I guess it's true that you shouldn't get employed in a job for your passions no matter what.

>>51410411
>You know, I wish more people like you would roast PP. Call out names, and throw this shit down at their feet

Look, it's not about us "hating" on PP. I like their games, background and models and thought it would be a great place to work, but it wasn't. It sucked. To the point of it almost killing my interest in the game.

I hope maybe one day Matt & Sherry will see the problems for what (and who) they are and correct them.

>>51410386

It's still a nice model, but it could have been a great model.

>>51410541
I get ya, and I'm not hating on PP. I love the game. Lore is engaging, factions are fun, and I like the models... but shitty management always trickles down.

I don't want some faggot fucking up my funtimes.

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>>51410305
Molly shit!

>>51409089
Take the knot!

>>51409646
>Bitching about models that actually got released while models in the same book are still nowhere to be found on the release schedule
WHERE'S MUH FUCKING REVELATOR?

Pirate theme list when


Mercenary Army - 75 / 75 points

(Shae 1) Captain Phinneus Shae [+28]
- Mariner [14]
- Freebooter [9]
- Buccaneer [6]
Sea Dog Deck Gun [3]
Sea Dog Pirates (max) [13]
- Sea Dog Pirate Rifleman (2) [4]
- Mr. Walls, the Quartermaster [4]
Press Gangers (max) [12]
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8]
Bloody Bradigan [3]
Swamp Gobber River Raider [4]
First Mate Hawk [4]
Doc Killingsworth [4]
Bosun Grogspar [4]
Lord Rockbottom [4]
The Commodore Cannon & Crew [7]

>>51407361
I think this would actually justify a refund in full.

Anybody have any good alternate color schemes for Cryx? I've seen a red one that looks good but wanted to see others before I fully commit.

>>51411262
PP confirmed that it was designed to look like that because of them not knowing shit about how to make plastics, so it's not miscast.

It's not like it's the game store's fault that they got shipped faulty product. Refunds are only going to hurt local stores, not PP. The solution is to not buy it and encourage your game store not to order it.

>>51407455
>Made in China
Found your problem.

>>51410305
>>51410729
I'm actually using one of those KD phoenix's as the basis for my storm raptor conversion. Those of us who backed the kickstarter got two of those wacky things.

>>51410444
>>51410460
No direct experience with PP, but having seen this story play out a number of times - I'd be willing to bet that if you met Matt 10 years ago, and been at Privateer then, you would have seen a bunch of dyed-in-the-wool wargaming nerds who were passionate about their hobby and their little company. Times change though, and so do people.

>>51409879
>PDFs are in the OP. Do you mean the errata'd cards? Should've picked Skorne friend, we already have ours
Nah, the full decks. Got the ones from back at spoiler time, of course, and the errata'd cards (albeit in annoying format for browsing), but it would be nice to just have everything in one spot.

>I'm fairly certain they said L&L in the official thread for the insider.
That's bizarre. Why would it take 6 months just to format a PDF (per faction)?

>>51412929
>Why would it take 6 months just to format a PDF (per faction)?
Because PP is a very dysfunctional company.

Right so, let's say I have Hexeris1's feat up.

>When a living or undead enemy warrior model is boxed by an attack while in Hexeris’ control range, you can take control of it. The model becomes an independent model and gains Undead . The model can immediately advance up to 3˝ and can make one basic melee attack, then remove the model from play. The model cannot be targeted by free strikes during this movement and cannot gain the back strike bonus. Dark Dominion lasts for one turn.

Now, I kill one of the Legion Hellmouth's tentacles, putting it under my control. If I was to then hit one of my opponent's heavies with my tentacle, would I be able to drag it to the Hellmouth?

>>51413600
You can't take control of the tentacles.

>>51413813
Oh shit Inscrutable. Now there's a rule rare as my favourite Pepes. The only other model I know with it is Despoiler.

Anybody considered running a Fist of Halaak style list with Xerxis1 under the new rules? Seems like it could be a good list core with the new tougher/cheaper cataphracts... especially since his brick can benefit from Krea again.

If you get a first turn run, stacking Def Ward and Krea (and Agonizer I guess, why not), his little Cetrati blob can be stomping up the field 7" per turn at DEF 15 / ARM 24 against both shooting and charges. And also tough, steady, and spell immune for good measure. I do love a good brick.

>>51414230
I don't think it's necessary to spam Cetrati. A single unit with an Agonizer in tow is already nigh-unkillable, especially now that they have set defense putting them up to DEF15 against charges. Stuff like big CRAs aren't really a problem since our shield guards (Sentry, Tibbers) are excellent models now, whereas back in Mk2 they weren't, not to mention the buffs to Vorkesh letting him be run while still letting you target your own dudes. Don't forget that with Lurch comes heavy threat ranges of up to 13" combined with the feat.

The Krea isn't really needed if they aren't dumping CRAs on you, and if they are, just shield guard it. Save your 7 points and put it towards another heavy. Here's my personal Xerxis1 list that DOESN'T. ACTUALLY. DIE.

>(Xerxis 1) Tyrant Xerxis [+28]
- Agonizer [6]
- Aradus Soldier [16]
- Bronzeback Titan [18]
- Titan Gladiator [15]
- Titan Sentry [15]
Cataphract Cetrati (max) [18]
- Tyrant Vorkesh [6]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7]
Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]

PS. Skorne solos suck shit

>>51414546
Have you considered an animantarax instead of the bronzeback for better fury management?

>>51414864
The Bronzeback IS your fury management, and when you need to kill 2 heavies in one go, the Bronzeback's got your shit covered. I do love the Animantarax now and have considered getting one. Mainly to use with Hexeris1 since -3ARM on POW15 guns is a pretty big deal. I just hate that you can't boost its guns, but whipping the turtle lets the guy on its back boost damage. Like nigger what.

>>51407320
Man, that would take less than five minutes to fix with a file.

>>51414946
The lower down ones aren't even there. What are you filing? Your brain tissue away because you clearly don't need it having come this far in life already without it?

>>51414936
The bronzeback saves you 2 fury from the other titans, but costs fury itself. Animantarax costs 0. Some turns the bronzeback is saving you fury but any time it uses at least 3 it's a net loss.

>>51414994
I just don't know how relevant the Animantarax will be with Xerxis1. I'd almost want to bring a Cannoneer instead just to dump a ball on some faggots, but I want my non-Makeda3 list to be able to handle Ret, and a Cannoneer does not handle Dawnguard Sentinels.

>>51415029
Then how about some Reivers?

>>51415039
Hell naw. I'll most likely run Hexeris1 or Makeda1 with Makeda3. Makeda1 is just duuuumb, but there's a special place in my heart for the treacherous vampire who'd sell out the Skorne for a Mars bar. Hexxy also helps my Legion matchup since I'm actually fucking terrified of the Hellmouth and their animii.

>>51415029
I mean, it's speed 8 with a pow 18 tail that can get 4 attacks that are weaponmaster on the feat, and in the same turn he can get in the d3+1 reiver shots. It seems pretty good to me. On feat turn it does 53 to an arm 19 with melee (assuming the impact attack counts as melee for the feat?), and another 6-12 with its gun. It's not bronzeback level but it's ridiculously faster.

>>51411310
>PP confirmed that it was designed to look like that because of them not knowing shit about how to make plastics

It wasn't designed to look like that, the hook were very detailed, when it got to China they had to fill in the area so the tool could be made since PP didn't want to spend the extra $$$ to make the center chest piece a separate part so they could keep the sharp detail.

Also, PP had a few staff that had experience in plastics, but they were railroaded out of the company, which happens to just about anyone there with any real level of competence.

>>51415125
Another reason I'd rather run a beast with Xerxis1 is Lurch can only target beasts.

>>51413874
Also the Afflictor. Anything that involves interactions too "tricky" to resolve under enemy control tends to get it (wraith engine creating machine wraiths, afflictor creating incubi, hellmouth drags). Despoiler used to have it, but doesn't now, because he doesn't do the thing with the void spirit anymore.

>>51415365
Correction: doesn't do the thing with the void spirit except while bonded, and he's not bonded while under enemy control, so inscrutable isn't needed.

>>51415365
Despoiler still poops out Void Spirits, but it's his bond with Mordikaar now, and while under your opponent's control he isn't considered bonded.

>>51414968
No, you slightly file into the scale at an an angle to create the line of the hook. You should put some more effort into your hobbying instead of trying to insult people on the internet

>>51415403
>You should put some more effort into your hobbying
Ok so why don't I just make a complete Desert Hydra out of greenstuff? My hobby is playing the tabletop game. The modelling side of it is just a necessity.

>>51415422
No, spend $120 for a fucking DIY project instead of a nice model. PP apologists know no lower limit to their self respect.

>>51415365
Actually in regards to the Hellmouth I don't even think it's necessary. Hexeris1's feat states that the model becomes independent. Wouldn't this mean it's no longer part of the unit and thus doesn't have a mouth to drag towards?

>>51415153
Lurch is cool, but it's pretty situational. This isn't Nemo1 with Locomotion where you've got 10+ focus to throw around - a turn where you cast Lurch is a major commitment. Now, if that commitment means catapulting Tibbers into your opponent's caster, then yes it's worth it. But it should be viewed as an ace up your sleeve, not something to build around.

You're probably always bringing at least 3 beasts, I think, but after that I want to get some more of this sweet new infantry in there. Who cares if running a Fist list is necessary? I want to because I CAN, dammit. =)

>>51415907
What I love about Lurch is that it's variable. All I need to do is beat my opponent's threat range, and I have the upper hand. They can threat 11"? Well I'll put my elephant 12" away from your heavy.

>>51415724
The rule doesn't mention "in this unit", just "pushed toward the Hellmouth", which might be why. It could prompt a lot of stupid "what if" posts on the rules forum that are completely avoided by giving it inscrutable.

Or maybe it's just about not abusing drags against Legion's mostly shit heavies.

>>51415954
I think the word "the" implies "the Hellmouth this thing is with". If it becomes an independent model, it's no longer with a Hellmouth and is just a lone tentacle looking for a Japanese girl to rape.

>>51415975
Any time someone says "I think" or "implies", the rule writer has probably failed, because someone else will think or infer something different.

>>51415449
I loved the forum responses to a guy posting the new GW Lord of Change and the PP apologists claiming it wasn't technically far more complex than anything PP do.

If I'm honest I fucking hate PP models. They're generally over-designed and pretty ugly and I find them a chore to paint. When you compare it to what GW and Wyrd do they blow PP out of the water.

>>51416143
You clearly don't know MtG very well. Perfect rules mean shit.

>>51416216
Are you trying to claim MtG has perfect rules? All I'm saying is that inscrutable on the hellmouth avoids many potential problems and arguments, and if your interpretation of the rules falls back on what you feel is implied or unsaid, that's not enough.

I don't know MtG, because I'm intent on avoiding many of the people who play it.

>>51416519
MtG has pretty much perfect rules. But that doesn't stop shitters misinterpreting things I promise you.

>>51415942
I think Lurch is a great addition to Xerxis's toolbox, no doubt. But it's not the kind of thing you cast every game. Two or three fury on a Fury 5 warlock means that spell becomes a cornerstone of your plan for the turn. Great spell to have, but it doesn't automatically turn Xerxis into a beastmaster.

With Lurch + Rush, Tiberion can threaten 14" before he even makes an Overtake move, and up to 17" before he starts buying attacks. That move will definitely catch an opponent unawares here and there. All hail Molik Tibbers.

>>51416164
In general I find that I like PP's models more than GW's, but I've gotta agree on the overdesigned bit.

Like why do razor boars have armored tusks, faceplates, feet plates, shin guards, foreleg armor and decorated piercings? That's too much. It should have been a faceplate and shin guards on the forelegs only. It gets the point across (armored pig) and isn't too busy. Hell the razor boars are like the easiest PP model to paint too.

>>51416724
Quicken Karn, tie up 20" away with Rush, Jackhammer him. That's some assassination right there.

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>>51416775
I agree mostly with this sentiment. Overdesign is a common issue it seems in this industry.

And I'm gonna take this chance to bitch again about the dire troll kits. Mother fuckers. Most warjack models probably weren't hurt by the switch to modular chassis kits but the dire troll changes hurt me.

>>51416897
Makeda has to be 6 inches away from Karn to jackhammer.

>>51416937
>forgetting about craft talisman

>>51416937
>Not taking a Shaman
>Not Charging into infantry, killing it, and Sidestepping into the clear

>>51416989
>Makeda has to be 6 inches away from Karn to jackhammer.
>forgetting about craft talisman
Even with Craft Talisman, not having arcnodes is a major limitation on the uses of Jackhammer. Which is OK, because Molik is already managing pretty solid threat ranges under Mak1... Rush + Quicken + Lash + Sidestep = he's almost feeling like his old self again. (shed a tear for free strike immunity though)

The bigger deal with Jackhammer is it lets you do order of activation nonsense that would never be possible otherwise. Like have MK charge and kill something, reposition into something else, and jackhammer that.

>>51416695
>shitters
Yep, ok, I'm in full agreement with you there.

>>51416775
>Like why do razor boars have armored tusks, faceplates, feet plates, shin guards, foreleg armor and decorated piercings? That's too much

That's because Matt Wilson want's the models to be highly detailed so you don't have to paint any extra details on them, he wants everything to be sculpted on.

>>51417158
deserthydra.jpg

>>51412929
It doesn't. It takes that long to get whatever print on demand service they're trying to set up. PP likely doesn't want to put the pdfs out till then, plus it lets them run out the stock that still has cards in it.

>>51417179

thismakesnosense.jpg

>>51417158
I mean that's great for showpieces I suppose, and I'll admit that having some texture to a detail is great. But doing things this way limits customization because now I'm forced to paint all those little details. What if I just want a basic pig?

And lets not forget, if someone wants his piggy piercings to be physical things on the model, he can find a way. Hell, it's almost easy with the right type of clay. Lancing the piercings or armor off and having the whole model not look like shit is much harder.

>>51412929
>>51412950

In hopes of selling the stock of faction decks to uninformed customers.

>>51417467
"PP should just sell modelling clay." - Anon, 2017

>>51417631
Wanting less busy models is hardly wanting PP to only sell modeling clay. That's just hyperbole.

That said, PP should totally sell modeling clay if it means getting some less busy models to go with it.

>>51415064
Im curious, whats your makeda3 list look like?

>>51418493
4 heavies, max Nihilators, max Handlers, Gobbers. In bed so can't post the list, bit it's basically an assassination list for those times when you don't think you can win on control or attrition, like against Menoth (see: Amon).

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This is ths model that put me off painting PP stuff.

At first glace its a nice model but when you start to actually look at it there's shit EVERYWHERE. Likw the sculptors brief was "bird bitch with no empty areas anywhere".

She has like three capes, armored flares covering armored shins, feathers and tiny rocks all over her, random armor plates and bits of rock on her back and even the fucking birds have armor.

>>51418941
thankfully you can quickly cover all that shit with dry brushing

>>51416164
Idk PP has been getting better, I really like the Thunderbird thing or whatever. On the subject of being overdesigned-it must be the fact that the technology has caught up with the imagination of the sculpters.

Sometimes it pays off sometimes it doesnt

>>51418941

What bugs me is how all the detail is so exaggerated, like edging on cloaks is almost .5mm thick, but I guess that's the trade-off for having everything sculpted by computer.

>>51419387
>overdesigned

It's over-designed because they don't know how to design a proper model. They think throwing on a lot of greebles and putting the model in some bizarre exaggerated, epileptic pose makes it look good.

>>51419406
Not really. All of Hawk wargame's stuff is CAD designed, and it's details work out pretty nicely.

>>51419406
No, PP just has an insistence of thickness for some reason. All their capes are solid blocks.

>>51420847
T H I C C

>>51419437
Infinity is all CAD designed and they tend to have slimmer detail.

>>51416164
>GW
>not overdesigned

>>51408320
fist of halaak dipshit

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>Get told how strategic Warmahordes is
>Come over to watch a local tourney
>I see this Menoth player with 8 or so of these Warjacks that all look the same. Monk dude looked cool though
>He's playing a Khador player with 5-6 jacks that are all the same
>His big warcaster is cool though
>Walk over to another game, see Cygnar player tabling a guy with this shooty chick

Quite a game you guys have here.

>>51410541
Is it Soles and his leather trenchcoat mall ninja edgelord shit. I bet it's Soles and his matrix persona.

>>51422449
It really is unfortunate that at the highest level of play, cheap armorspam is reigning supreme. That said, I'm pretty sure your story didn't happen. It has just enough detail to smell like bait.

>>51422699
>at the highest level of play, cheap armorspam is reigning supreme
Yeah, no. I mean, look at the whole Mad Dog dilemma for example. Everyone was crying how they totally steamrolled WMW right? Well out of all the games the Khador player played to get there (which is about 6-8) he played the Dogs exactly ONCE.

>>51422466
Is Soles literally the villain from Grandma's boy?

>>51422892
Idk, but the dude sure looks like he enjoys the feel of a leather thong

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>>51422786
>people freak out about the mad dogs
>shit's a fair bit broken, gets toned down
>meanwhile the WGRC and their pocket rockets are untouched

>>51422971
Well the nerf to Joe helps.

>>51422963
Only if it has dog teeth poking his balls.

>>51422971
Nerf to Joe was all that it too since they can't kill absolutely everything now.

>>51423083
>>51423178
Going to +2 means the rockets still hit shit that they want to trade up with. The base rifle corps also can still to a fuckload of work against infantry with it, but it just means you need to no t be retarded and pod your CRAs properly to shred the high value solos. The nerf to Joe just dialed them back to a 10.

>>51416164
I just pay people to paint my shit. Ends up looking really nice for the table without having to do all the bullshit assembling and the like.

>still no online game like vassal, but p2play and not shit
Reee. Tactics was a mistake.

>>51422971
Rocketeers only have 1 box and fairly low ARM.

>>51425088
Tactics had potential as the XCOM-like setup makes for good strategery shooter games.

They just gave it to a shitty indie company that can't code an engine, UI, or camera to save their life.

>tfw I saw how it was and claimed my CC I used in the kickstarter was stolen
>I still get emails to this day asking to update my card and pay them what I pledged

Fuck that, the models are free for that bait and switch shit you pulled PP.

>>51422971
>how do I kill a 12/13 model with a single box

>>51425295
I mean, shitters here still haven't figured out how to kill an ARM 13 bird and cry for nerfs all day.

>>51425332
>Explicitly can't be targeted by melee, and gets +4DEF against ranged/magic

>>51425339
>one turn of can't be targeted
>twister is a 3" AOE
I mean, it would be nice if you could never hit them and if it was a 28" AOE, but it is counterable

ARM 13 griffons. ez pz

>>51425410
One ROUND of can't be targeted. Otherwise they'd get eaten by freestrikes.

>>51425436
Try shooting. :^) They're only ARM 13.

>>51425471
>Every list should bring something that can deal with multiple 19/13 beasts with 20+ boxes that doesn't involve melee attacks, otherwise the player is just shit
Stop being a cuck and just admit that they've made another Haley2 feat.

>>51425471
Stealth, so unless you're running dedicated shooting, it'll be difficult.

>>51425493
Reinholdt is a little underplayed ever since he got expensive.

>>51425522
You're suggesting that a 4 point model that only works for Mercs, Cygnar, and Khador and only removes stealth from a single bird is the solution?

>>51425488
It's not a Haley2 feat, can you even read her card? It only works with three specific models, and you are still able to attack them. It's not my fault if you can't make either a balanced list or an alternate drop that can handle armies that deny you melee attacks.

They're not 19/13, unless you're implying that not only is Una playing stupid close for beasts with a 28" control range, but also grouping them all in the same cloud effect. So keepy crying, but at best one is clouded.

20 boxes isn't a big deal, given every faction has them. Try a different caster. Nemo1 with buffs literally says one word and the entire list just lost half its health. Not my problem if you can't figure out creative solutions in this game.

And the only one getting cucked here is you, because you're letting it happen. :^)

>>51425493
Every faction can run dedicated shooting, or a list that can handle light warbeasts. Literally every faction. And stealth is so easily countered. Even at the very basic level of getting within 5". You don't spend the entire game sitting back.

>>51425588
You can't CRA into combat unless you have a special rule that very few models have. Some factions don't even have access to this rule. So shooting the birds is, for all intents and purposes, impossible.

>>51425596
It is with that attitude. Think outside the box a little bit. God forbid a Circle Orboros list forces you to employ unorthodox tactics to counter their unorthodox tactics.

You might as well start thinking instead of bitching, because very little is going to change with Una2.

>>51425533
there are factions besides those three?

>>51425629
Una2 isn't outside the box or unorthodox. It's not some niche cute tactic that you see in a game. It's literally just pop feat run birds onto your caster and heavies, wait a turn, then kill everything. The instant lists have to start changing to accomodate Una2 is the instant that she has officially started warping the metagame. In MtG, cards that warp metagames like that are banned.

I never played against Unaspam, what are some good counters?

How does she play? Run everything into your face, feat and wait for the next turn to punch your face?

How fast are her griffons, SPD 9 with buffs?

>>51425644
Clearly you have no knowledge of MTG, because new cards and combos warp the metagame all the damn time. Warping the metagame is *good*, otherwise you end up with a stale game. Modern is certainly a fun format right now, eh? :^) I just cashed out of it.

And you know what's going to happen next? People will bitch about Amon in theme. Or Kaya3 coming next month. Probably some unreleased theme in Cyngar in March, and then something "broken" in Khador in April.

Una2 is not that bad. She really isn't. And just to hit home, she's not going to be nerfed in any way you're hoping for. You can go ahead and suggest possible nerfs to her or the Scarsfell, and I'll gladly shoot them down with PP's errata reasoning.

Strong gunlines are the obvious choice if you have stealth negation.
Alternatives are ranged attacks that ignore it, like electro-leaps or empowered blasts.
Scarsfell suck dick at clearing infantry, so deviating from the current meta of "spam jacks" (which Una can handle) and running more troops works, especially since they're ARM 13, and there are plenty of weapon masters out there.

You guys are srsly underestimating Una 2. Not one mention of hand of fated tharn cav back dooring or dealing with the sentry stones.

>lol they're arm13 ez

Post a battle report link with a good player and your list that can also pair into wurmwood, Kreuger 2, tanith, and baldur2 or get fucked.

>>51425695
>>51425754

>>51425768
How about go down to your local game store and play against the list?

Seriously, it doesn't even require a good player. You won't see my name on Discount Games, but I would gladly let you run my Una2 list, while I put together a list from your main faction.

Una's not even officially released, tournament season hasn't started, and everyone's basing her OPness on one chink doing well literally a week after her special release, when nobody has any idea what to expect from her, and certainly don't have lists capable of dealing with her.

>>51425644
>The instant lists have to start changing to accomodate Una2 is the instant that she has officially started warping the metagame. In MtG, cards that warp metagames like that are banned.
Well you're in for a wild ride: the meta is already warping, and it's not just because of Una.
How about Amon and his Dervish spam? It's on the same level as Una2, and it's just hit the streets. It hasn't had a month or two of pre-release.
Cygnar's month is March, and let's just say you can expect some of the same level of content released for them. Not that they didn't already have some degree of it to begin with, being the trophy faction.
And PPS_ posters on the forums have already indicated that the Mad Dog changes were done in part because of an unreleased theme force in April's command book making them completely disgusting.

The fact is that the meta is going to have a lot of lists with numerous cheap/light jacks/beasts that are capable of shrugging off melee attacks in various ways.

What are some Khador options against Una2? We have a Irusk2 for Wurmwood, that is gg ez

Sorscha1 can freeze, which would take away one of their attacks? Doesn't sound great to be honest.

Vlad1/Butcher1 can Rocketspam, but I don't see how you're supposed to actually hit the DEF 19 Griffons, stealth or not

Does Zerkova1 do anything? She can cloudwall (griffons can't trample as far as I'm aware), pop feat to keep the griffons away for one turn, use ghost walk to unjam if you're being run into and fish for crit-freeze with boosted Frosthammers. The question is, does any of that even matter?

... Flashing Blade doesn't get around Una's feat, right? Because if it did, that would be easy.

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>all these posts bitching about griffon spam
Gonna be glad when this bitch comes riding onto the table with repositioning synergy warpwolves and makes y'all beg for 2na to come flying back.

FEBRUARY 8.

>>51425905
Sorscha1 with winterguard infantry.

>>51425905
DEF19 is a meme. Most are 15.

>>51425905
Karchev heavy spam works fine against Una2. They dont have enough griffons to hit all your jacks (they need 2 per heavy, so 3-4 heavies attacked depending on the list) and theres a solid chance that 2 doesnt kill them on full fury. she cant reave it all, some will frenzy (esp if she primals them) and circle turn after the feat wont be as painful. might lose a few but you stand a good chance of winning the trade

Gib 15 pts lists for legion vs trolls. Proxxy allowed.

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>>51426011

>>51425933
I'm honestly pumped for her, and I hope she won't be utterly broken. Circle needs a tricksy battlegroup caster that isn't either straightforward Kromac2 or only good with one or two beasts Una2.

>>51426048
Switch Stinger for Harrier as additional Thags protection.

>>51426050
Kaya2 was great. I could live with Shadow Pack nerfed to not being an upkeep, but taking away Alpha?

>>51425944
What would that look like? They run in, you freeze and then Rocket them to death with their DEF 5?

Sounds brutal as a counter to Una, but against any other list, it seems kind of lacking. Sorscha1 doesn't like Infantry heavy lists, due to LOS limitations.

>>51425999
checked

Is bulldozing griffons next to one another a valid play to make them frenzy each other? That would be hilarious.

Could Harkevich work too in that scenario? Arm 26 Devastators could probably tank hits reasonably well.

>>51425944
I want to play a lot of sprays into her with some kind of def reducing feat, but for the infantry options you have to watch out for the mannikin and the warnoun options have to watch out for the griffons. Also, if you want to play the threat range game if she can get a dominant position on scenario the cav and stones may be able to attrition what you're using as contestors.

I...just wish she didn't have two of Vlad's good spells on top of all this garbage you have to deal with.

>>51426078
Devastator spam would fuck her griffons up, if they dive on you. She would probably play super cagey and to the scenario at that point, though.

Or drop a wurmwood or baldur 2.

>>51426078
Sorscha freeze would be cooler to shit on multiple griffons at once with grapeshot. The rockets are still only three attacks. That's a griffon, but you've got 5 more to deal with.

>>51425933
ATM my only complain is that she will be another Circle melee caster so good that will kill all the other while giving zero answers against shooting.

>>51426119
>giving 0 answers to shooting

We literally only know 1 of the things on her 4 cards.

>>51426130
Yep, but we know the feat so if we haven't got it wrong ,and the defense hinteed is not actual defense, but defensive tech, at max I think we can hope in stealth.

But thanks to Kaya2 we already know that Stealth on heavy is not the big thing it was on MKII.

>>51426171
I mean using sense basing on Kaya1 and 2.

Could even be that PP goes full retard and give her Sinergy and Wild growth.

I got a beginner question:

Does the regeneration ability of Warpwolves cost Fury, or rather, do they gain a Fury point when they're forced to regenerate?

>>51422892
Soles is going to get robot legs. It's a dangerous operation, but he thinks it's worth it.

Can someone lend me 300 bucks? I want to test something lol

Khador Army - 73 / 75 points Theme: Winter Guard Kommand

(Butcher 3) Kommander Zoktavir, The Butcher Unleashed [+22]
- War Argus
- Victor [38]
- Ruin [17]
Winter Guard Gun Carriage [18]
Winter Guard Gun Carriage [18]
Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich [4]
Winter Guard Field Gun Crew [0]
Winter Guard Field Gun Crew [0]

Knock everything down with the Field guns to allow Victor easy pie-plates all while the Butcher uses his 48 boxes of ARM 20 sac-pawn Battle Engines to taxi himself to the enemy caster.

>>51426171
The feat is likely +DEF, Parry, Acrobatics. I don't know why you think it's "hinted not actual defense", because it clearly says:
>that enhances her army’s defence and ...

>>51425644
No, in cuck formats (ie casual ones unfit for competitive play) they do.
In real formats they hand you a magic formula:
Git*gut

>>51426319
Forcing is the act of adding a fury to a warbeast for an effect. You are Forcing it to regenerate.

>>51426403
Y'see, that's what I thought, but then I got confused by the actual rules, stating:

>When a warbeast is forced, declare the desired effect and place a number of fury points on it according to the rules of the effect.

Every universal forcing effect that follows specifically says to put one Fury on the beast, whereas Regeneration does not. Which is where my confusion comes from.

>>51425825
>Amon and his Dervish spam just hit the streets
Hi! You must be new. Welcome to WMH, let me know if you have any questions. /sarcasm

In all seriousness, though - running a pack of lights with a good BG-wide buff like Synergy is hardly a new idea. Amon and his dervish spam themselves made quite a splash back when he actually hit the streets in 2008 or whatever. It's a good list, but it's not a magic bullet. Even with the buffs he got into Mk3, Amon still generally plays too far forward for his health, for instance, and will not survive serious attention.

His dervishes are fast and hard hitting, but they're made of tissue paper. Control lists will still give him real problems. Strong attrition lists may be able to grind him out. And if he doesn't get the alpha, he's a sad panda - something like Kaya2 or Stryker3 could potentially take 2/3 of his lights off the table before they get to attack. If you figured out how to cope with Wold War, trust me, you can beat this bare-chested jackass.

>>51426370
>CHUGGA CHUGGA
>RUSSIAN TAXI BRING ANGRYMAN AND ANGRY DOGGO

That soundc kek worthy/10

>>51425644
>It's literally just pop feat run birds onto your caster and heavies, wait a turn, then kill everything.
If only. It's often enough: Feat, charge in, kill a bunch of models, watch the enemy try to do anything then kill all the other shit.

>>51426370
Why does a second gun carriage cost $300? Or maybe the question is, why doesn't a khador player already own the other models on that list?

>>51426130
>>51426184

We know her spell list based on deductive reasoning.

Synergy - Battlegroup-wide buff spell.
>Kaya1: Soothing Song
>Kaya2: Shadow Pack
This one's been confirmed.

Single-target warbeast buff
>Kaya1: Occultation
>Kaya2: Forced Evolution
Given she's gonna be a warbeast slut, she's gonna get another one. Really gonna miss Forced Evolution though.

RNG 10 POW 12 COST 2 Offensive Spell with debuff.
>Kaya1: Spirit Fang
>Kaya2: Muzzle
Obligatory spell you may use once or twice a year if you remember it's on the card or have some oddball situation that warrants it.

Teleport Spell
>Kaya1: Spirit Door
>Kaya2: Spirit Shift
This one is 99.99% guaranteed. Kays is signature for warbeast teleport shenanigans, and she still has Laris with her. I couldn't tell you what Kaya3's would do, but, Kaya without teleportation would be a colossal thematic fuckup on Privateer Press's part.

>>51426556
Have you played an Una2 game?

What are you killing with frenzied birds and a bunch of leftover fury on them, on the round after your feat? If your opponent is smart, he's re-engaged them with other models, and is gonna pound your cloaca.

>>51426556
>Una's literally just pop feat run birds onto your caster and heavies, wait a turn, then kill everything.
>If only. It's often enough: Feat, charge in, kill a bunch of models, watch the enemy try to do anything then kill all the other shit.
I like how in these hypothetical scenarios, the opponent doesn't do anything but stand there and take it on the chin. It's as if there are no lists in this game that can blunt an alpha strike. No hard bricks or heavy spam. No screening infantry, no good guns, no control casters that can just trade feats with her, nothing... just juicy ARM 18 targets standing right in charge range.

>>51426682
>I like how in these hypothetical scenarios, the opponent doesn't do anything but stand there and take it on the chin.
If you don't threat more than 14", what else would you do? And don't say shoot them unless you play Cygnar. In which case, congratulations for dodging a metaphorical bullet by using a literal one.

>>51425563
>Nemo1 vs Una2
OK, I'm as big a fanboy of Nemo1 as anybody, but c'mon. The "ultra specific solution to a common problem" thing is rarely helpful. Although who knows, maybe if lights spam comes back in a big way, Nemo1's stock will rise.

I did always love playing him in to armies that liked their lights - just going "oh hey Denny1, my feat reads 'destroy all arcnodes'" was always a good time. But into Una2 - I don't think Nemo usually brings the kind of list that would let him follow up that initial punch.

>>51426682
I also like in these hypothetical scenarios people go "feat, kill, wait, kill some more" as if there's some magical 24 fury point removal option with no frenzies whatsoever. Or that their opponent doesn't bother re-engaging the griffons that do manage to kill something so they can't just fuck off out of there.

No wonder /wmhg/ is terrible at playing against it. :^)

>>51426750
>maybe if lights spam comes back in a big way
>two big lists right now are Amon theme Dervish spam and Una2 Griffon spam

>>51426750
I don't see why not. He has good ranged threats and can Chain Lighting with the best. Question is whether or not he can play into WW. Baldur2 should be okay.

>>51420847
Well, with miniatures you can either have function or athetics when it comes to a lot things.

Like, Infinity, for example, has a lot of swords on models that are PAPER THIN and will break off the model or bend very easily. If you make the weapons, cloaks, etc. thick, then when they get knocked over they won't break or bend as easily.

>>51426739
>If you don't threat more than 14", what else would you do?
Oh, you most likely get hit, for sure, just hopefully not in your soft parts. This IS the challenge against almost all Circle lists, not just Una2. Kromac1 with Stalkers gave a similar sort of challenge - hard hitting alpha, hard to catch or counterpunch, etc. You need to be taking down griffons as efficiently as you can, without feeding them anything too valuable.

Yes, you've also got Cygnar, but the "shoot them all" thing can also work for Ret, Khador or Legion, and other factions can do it with individual dedicated lists. There are plenty of control casters in the game too, and you really only need to lock down a handful of models to take all the wind out of Una's sails.

>congratulations for dodging a metaphorical bullet by using a literal one
Thanks! Congratulations on that line, that's great. I'm probably going to have to steal that.

>>51426775
>re-engaging the griffons that do manage to kill something so they can't just fuck off out of there
The griffons can parry, remember. You need to jam their landing zones.

>>51426789
For all the talk, I haven't actually SEEN either of these much out in the world yet. So, yes, it's an "IF", for now.

>>51426805
Man, I've played a ton of Nemo1 across all three editions, and I'm not seeing it. You're going to chain lightning griffons? That's throwing good focus after bad, IMO. He has shorter threat range than Una on average, and his lists are typically made out of DEF 12 / ARM 18 models, which are EXACTLY Una2's ideal prey. He'll take out a few of them, but at the end of the day one or two griffons are going to reach his backfield, and then it's GG.

I know it will ever happen because PP is all about moving old stock and not giving a flying fuck about faction lists resembling their fluff, but do you think a FA jacks/beasts would do anything positive? Like FA 3 for heavies, FA 5 for lights?

>>51426867
Griffons parry coming in, they don't parry going out in the next round when the Griffons move again.

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>>51416906
Yeah, they're terrible. I think PP knows that, though, and only made the Bomber the base for the kit because they were trying to save money years ago. Their resculpt of Rok makes me hope they know the Dire kit is bad and will change it in the future (worst part is that damn collar that cuts off the spines and makes him look like a cancer patient that's losing his hair).

Honestly, what are they going to nerf on Una2?

I will be surprised if she even gets hit in June; she's officially releasing in March, and they don't have any actual tournament data with her yet. Finally, the Community Development project is starting, so there's a low chance they'll be doing "proper" erratas anymore. In fact, I have a strong suspicion she will be the popular "initial test" for the CID system in looking at released models. And they will be very delicate with how they handle changes under this system the first time around.

So onto the caster herself.

They won't touch her feat. Past MKIII erratas have shown they don't rework entire feats, only changing small details about them. The only time feats are changed completely are during extreme situations (Sloan First Turn Kill right after the edition change) or in faction reworks (Skorne). At "best", all they will do is change 'melee-immune for a round' to 'melee-immune for the turn', but that falls in the category of reworking, not tweaking, and makes the feat underwhelming.

What's likely going to happen, is that Scarsfells will get nerfed. Probably -1 STR, maybe getting +1 PC, and slight chance of losing an initial attack. Stealth and Long Leash are the iconic traits of the griffon so they will not get touched. Very very slim chance that they change Stealth to Prowl, but Stealth really isn't that hard of an advantage to work around. The problem is the perfect storm of the Scarsfell and Una's abilities, so if they neuter the impact the Scarsfell has, it'll likely be "balanced". In order to entice people to take others, they should buff the Razorwing and Rotterhorn. Remember, people aren't taking the other griffons for a reason, and PP was likely testing her with a mixed force of birds and found her fine.

>>51426881
Fuck no. We've been over this a million times.

>>51426951
>Honestly, what are they going to nerf on Una2?
Probably the Sentry Stones.

>>51426896
>the Dire kit is bad
That's the first I heard of that sorts. I really like the way it looks. And yes I've noticed the giant hands.

WAIT WAIT WAIT

the griffons everyone bitches about are arm-13?
are you fucking serious
why
is
this
an
issue.
AOE AOE AOE Rip griffins.

>>51427094
Yeah, nobody ever thought of that.

>>51426809
>anima and infinity miniatures
>STUFF STICKS OUR EVERYWHERE AND IS REAL FUCKING THIN
Wtf is up with spaniards and thin easily breakable pieces?

>>51427052
>Honestly, what are they going to nerf on Una2?
>Probably the Sentry Stones.

Yeah and kill the rest of the faction this way.

Una2 is ok she works with only 3 model in the entire faction.

The nerf is really simple, lower the damage of the Griffon on Heavy.

Give scarsfell 2 initials at POW 11.

This way Griffon have a lot less damage potetial on heavy.

>>51427134
>Yeah and kill the rest of the faction this way.
No that means they-

>Una2 is ok she works with only 3 model in the entire faction.
Oh this memer again. Never mind.

>>51427052
>Probably the Sentry Stones.
Sentry Stones were already nerfed. What are you wanting nerfed now? Just hit the fucking rock to death, it really isn't that hard.

thoughts on my unitspam CoC list?
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Convergence Army - 73 / 75 points

(Directrix 1) Iron Mother Directrix [+27]
- Exponent Servitors
- Corollary [6]
- Prime Axiom [38]
Enigma Foundry [4]
Enigma Foundry [4]
Reductors (max) [13]
Reductors (max) [13]
Obstructors (max) [11]
Obstructors (max) [11]

>>51427151
>Oh this memer again. Never mind.
Been watching this thread for the past few days so I've seen your exchange with "that memer".

He has a point, because an Una2 list is not full of Griffons. There's a Gorax/Feral, there's a Pureblood. Some people take an Argus, and the thing is, none of them receive any benefit. The most common choice, Pureblood, is a 17 point Wraithbane that sees no support from his warcaster.

It should also tell you something else: Una2 literally only works with three models, and yet, only one of them is taken. Is that a problem with the caster, or with the three models she's "allowed" to take?

>>51408193
where can I download these 3d models?

>>51427151
>Una2 is ok she works with only 3 model in the entire faction.
>Oh this memer again. Never mind.

If you are retarded it's not my fault.

Try to play Una2 without birds and tell me how strong she is.

Her problem is that the Griffon do to much damage to Heavy lower the damage and she is a lot less stronger.

>>51427052
>Probably the Sentry Stones.
buttblasted shitposter detected. tell me, where did the bradigus touch you? circle hate was so 2016.

>>51427302
My dong

>>51427052

>We've been over this a million times.

In fact, so many times that you don't have an answer. I bet you're one of those players who uses spam lists he read about online. We had a guy like that in our meta, shit his pants and left the hobby when trolls got slapped at the end of mk2

>>51427487
his entire experience is reading about una2 on the pp bitch&moan forum-- i mean the development and errata forum, given he's saying >NERF SENTRY STONES

>>51419437
>Not really. All of Hawk wargame's stuff is CAD designed, and it's details work out pretty nicel
>>51420847
>No, PP just has an insistence of thickness for some reason. All their capes are solid blocks.

That's due to two factors:

1) Their lack of knowledge in manufacturing
'2) Their ego won't allow them to admit to #1

>>51422466

Nope, never had in issue with him. But then again he doesn't really leave his dark, skeleton filled cave very much.

>>51427070
>I really like the way it looks
You don't think the old metal mauler looks superior? You think Rok's old model is better than his new one?

>>51427229
>Pureblood, is a 17 point Wraithbane that sees no support from his warcaster.
The fact that you actually believe this makes it even sillier.

>>51427281
Try to play Karchev without jacks and tell me how strong he is. Play Haley2 with only Stormguard and tell me how strong that is. It doesn't fucking matter. The game should NEVER be balanced for the worst possible choice, but for the best. And that is a bunch of birds with 2na. Who gives a shit that she does nothing for Megalith (aside from Hand of Fate)? She's not taking him anyway.

>>51428279
Yeah, hawker, flank, and the feat really help him out :^)

>>51427552
Except the "nerf sentry stones" is not my line. It's every decent player that has ever played with or against them. They are about as balanced as Storm Lances, by which I mean "undercosted for the amount of work they do".

>>51428131
Not necessarily. I just really don't mind the Mauler sculpt. It looks good in a vacuum.

>>51428334
S+P on Sprays is now bad?

>>51428300
Good thing you're not a fucking game designer.

If the best choice is an A, while everything else with a caster is a B-C, you don't nerf it so the best is a B, and the rest is a D-F. That's how you end up with a boring game.

The entire game is not based around convention tournaments that you're never placing in, so stop acting like you're a good player. Based on your posts in this thread you have no fucking clue how to counter a counterable list and bitch and moan hoping PP hands you an answer so you can play thematic Trollbloods against an Una list.

>>51428366
Suuuuuure. Better buff 2na to the point where she wins with a bunch of Wold Wardens then, right?

>>51428350
>It's every decent player that has ever played with or against them.
It was back in October. Now you don't have broken movement problems with them, and nobody is complaining about them anymore other than shitters like you. Find a good source of someone complaining about it post-errata. You can't

>>51428382
Wow, you must be brain damaged to extract that from my post. Nobody is saying to buff Una.

Kill yourself now.

>>51428408
It's what you are fucking implying. So what should the game be balanced for? Apparently it's not the best possible choices a list can take.

>>51428433
>It's what you are fucking implying.
No it is not. Nowhere is my post saying "buff Una". Are you ESL? It is in plain English, go back and read, and if you can't do that, who the fuck cares what you think about anything else?

>So what should the game be balanced for?
The 90% of the people buying in, supporting, and playing this game. You see this as a common business model for any type of game ranging from MMOs to MOBAs, to card games like Magic and the like.

Read some articles on why MTG makes R&D decisions the way they do. They don't balance and create sets for the 1% of people playing top-level competitive. They balance it for the 90% of people who want to play the game the way they want it to.

>>51428360
We are breaking the game here.

>>51428300
You don't get the point. Una Feat and all her ability on the card affect only 3 model in the entire faction

That the difference between Una, Haley and Karchev.

And of this 3 model just one is the one that create problem.

If you think to be so good and understand so much of the game do a simple thing.

Play 10 game with Una and scarsfell than play 10 game and change the scarsfell to the other kind of Griffon.

Then tell me if Una2 i broken or the Scarsfell is the problem.

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- Ruin [17]
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- Man-o-War Shocktrooper Officer [4]
Man-O-War Bombardiers (min) [10]
Battle Mechaniks (min) [3]
Man-O-War Kovnik [5]
Man-O-War Drakhun [9]
Man-O-War Drakhun [9]

Should I make the bomardiers or the demo corps a full unit?

Demo corps with battle lust will kill anything they get to, but the bombardiers with arcing fire are a pretty solid tool.

>>51428682
>Play 10 game with Una and scarsfell than play 10 game and change the scarsfell to the other kind of Griffon.
>Then tell me if Una2 i broken or the Scarsfell is the problem.

This. I'll just tell you right now, Privateer Press playtested this model for some time, and it should be immediately obvious as to what kind of griffon composition they were playing with that led them to greenlight Una2 the way she is right now.

Una2 is a "B" tier caster with a mixed company. She is an "A" tier caster with only Scarsfells. If you nerf Una, that goes down to "C" and "B" respectively.

But hey, if you nerf the problematic unit HINT HINT: MAD DOGS now she can still be a good caster HINT HINT: KARCHEV without being nerfed to the shelf.

can tell you if this thread decided to make a wargame, it would be deadder than guildball

>>51426890
>Griffons parry coming in, they don't parry going out in the next round when the Griffons move again.
Right you are, I'd forgot that they'd changed their animus.

>>51426881
>FA 3 for heavies, FA 5 for lights
There should have always been FA for jacks and beasts. Things being FA U does nothing good for the game. But unfortunately I think they've painted themselves into a corner at this point.

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Khador Army - 75 / 75 points
Theme: Winter Guard Kommand

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- Ruin [17]
- Victor [38]
Winter Guard Gun Carriage [18]
Winter Guard Gun Carriage [18]
Winter Guard Mortar Crew [0]
Winter Guard Artillery Kapitan [3]
Winter Guard Mortar Crew [0]
Winter Guard Artillery Kapitan [3]


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>>51428682
To be fair, Circle is unusual for a major faction in that they have choices that stovepipe into different builds. Una, and the baldurs and bradigus are pretty specific. All the factions have themes but I feel like circle encourages them internally the strongest.

This is obviously discounting CoC, mercs, and minions.

>>51431367
>This is obviously discounting CoC


You won't be laughing when the next theme is Axis theme.


Lucant with axis theme :^)

>>51427101
Clearly not. 1 turn of immunity and then maybe def 18?

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>>51431384
>CoC
>Getting anything else until 2018

>>51428511
Balancing to not create broken shit IS balancing for 100% of the players.